Doyles farewell to RGP
TEX DOLLY
liked it and became a regular reader and occasional poster. You get to know the
posters, even though you don't really know them. I enjoyed Mikes posts, Peg,
Ashley, Wayno and the rest of the regulars.Heck, I even liked Maverick. I laugh
everytime I read a post by Albino Bob and his" cook em till they are blue, then
smother em in onions". Also I chuckled everytime about Dr Toast and his glue
sniffing. Badger always gave a clear, concise post. I never read his book but
I'll bet it is a good one. Now, instead of enjoying myself, I get aggrevated
with this cheating stuff and I'm leaving and won't read anymore of it.
Everybody tells me that all these maggots want is publicity and to have people
talking about them. The worst thing, is to respond in any way, so I'm out of
here. Good luck to everybody!........Doyle Brunson
.
Mark Napolitano
--
Be Lucky
Mark Napolitano
www.pokerpages.com Daily Updates
TEX DOLLY <texd...@aol.com> wrote in message
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AL
>From: texd...@aol.com (TEX DOLLY)
Glad to see you not lowering yourself to their level.
Badger
> Also I chuckled everytime about Dr Toast and his glue
> sniffing. Badger always gave a clear, concise post. I never read his book
but
> I'll bet it is a good one.
I haven't written a book, but it would be cool to put on the jacket cover
"I'll bet it is a good one" if I ever do!
Doyle, some people need to climb on some other people to draw any attention
to themselves. These guys are longtime cheats, but apparently have somehow
also managed to be broke. Can you imagine having some of the abilities
these fellows speak of, and then also not having millions of dollars?
They are cheats who know something about cheating that they did. They know
a lot about cheating they did awhile ago, probably not much about cheating
going on today. They are trying to sell themselves, apparently because they
have found that their cheating can't support them. In doing so, since they
have always been without scruples, they assume everybody else is like them.
That is not very compelling evidence.
Take a couple weeks off from reading the group, or maybe you can get
yourself to do what I do, skip these cheating messages. There is still some
fun to be found on RGP.
--
Steve Badger
http://www.playwinningpoker.com
RazzO
LouKrieger
around. Most folks who read RGP are really pleased as punch that you
contribute to the newsgroup. Please don't let a small segment drive you away.
We'd all lose something if you were to go.
Keep flopping aces,
Lou Krieger
VPOKERL
That's what you get for not opting for 2 + 2 over rgp. I'm the only asshole
over there and nobody reads my posts anyway.
vince
Gary Carson
Actually, Vince, the only worthless, piece of shit asshole, no-account
weasel in poker posts on 2+2. And, it's not you.
Gary Carson
http://www.garycarson.com
culbertsonj
burns my butt. I knew about you from the old days and I know you never even
thought about cheating. Good poker players don't have to cheat!! I know
about your reputation in the old days from West Texas.
I think about the old days in Oklahoma and West Texas if you cheated and
lived through the beating you got, you never played in another game.
Hang in there.
Jim Culbertson
Midland, Texas
AlwaysAware
(snip)
>Take a couple weeks off from reading the group, or maybe you can get
>yourself to do what I do, skip these cheating messages. There is still some
>fun to be found on RGP.
>--
>Steve Badger
*heavy sigh* Badger and I agree on something.... who'da thought? (grin)
I have limited poker skill, I can at times be the queen of non-poker poker
content though :-)
You on the other hand have much you could contribute. *But* if it is no longer
fun, it's no longer fun... Take a break, but reconsider letting a few
goofballs alter how you view the rest of us after all the enjoyment and
probably laughter (at comments, as well as people taking a stab at how "we"
view "correct" play) it has provided,
Every now and then I go away.... All the best whatever you decide.
Joan
DrToast
>Also I chuckled everytime about Dr Toast and his glue
>sniffing.
***Snnnnnnnnnniiiiiiiiiiffffffff****
Wha? Huh?
Doyle, all this stuff will die down in a few weeks. Check back in with
us then.
DrToast
"Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue."
(Get rid of "THEWEAKESTLINK" to reply)
Tyro
was in the first group of books I bought.
I think your leaving is a mistake. I just adds fuel to their fire (GCA).
They seem like idiots with some kind of an agenda. You can stay and keep
posting without responding to them. As you see, you are among friends and
have a lot of support here.
Remember, if they libel you and you sue them, they burden of proof.
Alden Chase (tyro)
"TEX DOLLY" <texd...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Barbara Yoon
> I get aggrevated with this cheating stuff and I'm leaving
Doyle -- I've never had the pleasure of actually playing poker
with you, but in stories that I've heard, folding, and running away
when the action heats up doesn't seem to be how Texas Dolly
usually played the game...
Larry W. (Wayno) Phillips
They'll probably be talking about Doyle 200
years from now. But they won't be talking
about GCA 8 months from now-- except maybe
in the Punctuation Hall of Fame.
Wayno
not a fat cheat
cheating post was directed at you.
"TEX DOLLY" <texd...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Larry W. (Wayno) Phillips
<notafatcheat(nospam)@icqmail.com> wrote:
>Maybe if you weren't such a fat cheating fuck, you wouldn't think every
>cheating post was directed at you.
It looks like SOMEBODY got up on the wrong side of
BED today... and put on his "Grumpy Slippers"...
DB10023756
>Maybe if you weren't such a fat cheating fuck, you wouldn't think every
>cheating post was directed at you.
>
>
Now that was sweet huh?Go wash your mouth out with soap and stand in the
corner!
Asha34
unfair annoyance turn into a blindfold and a gag? The assholes end up winning;
the rest of us end up losing.
Ashley
SYeates485
want to Rat on others as you put it) I hope you just go away.
Nat Silver
>...The worst thing, is to respond in any way, so I'm out of
> here. Good luck to everybody!........Doyle Brunson
Nice valedictory. Doyle knows when to fold a weak hand.
I've seen him play when things weren't going his way.
He has baited and berated young up-and-coming players
who were beating him.
It was sad to see them respect him and take his abuse.
"You want to be hero to the folks back home.
Why don't you write a book." He'd repeat this
gibberish over and over. That said...
I respect and admire Doyle for being the
world-class player that he is, even though IMO
he may have even, yes, done some things that
most of you would not tolerate.
Mike McClain
> >From: "Badger"
>
> (snip)
>
> >Take a couple weeks off from reading the group, or maybe you can get
> >yourself to do what I do, skip these cheating messages. There is still
some
> >fun to be found on RGP.
Or better yet, just pretend to leave, that way you can still read what is
being written about you, but you don't have to have people wondering
why you aren't defending yourself.
Sob.... we'll miss you.
M.
btw... You guys ever fix that plagiarism problem at your online cardroom?
I really felt sorry for you during that whole affair!
AL
>From: syeat...@aol.com
>If you didn't cheat I'm sorry that this happen. If you did cheat (and didn't
>want to Rat on others as you put it) I hope you just go away.
Maybe he just doesn't feel that the past needs to be gone over on the ng.
Maybe he doesn't feel like wasting time defending himself from pointless
accusations.
Maybe he thinks that if he stayed he would lower himself to the standard of
others and end up in posting wars.
Maybe he just has better things to do.
The guys at GCA could be posting about current things that might affect us, but
instead chose to attack people with reputations to "add credibility" to
themselves. While it might be entertaining reading to relive the past... it
does nothing but cause alienation and distrust.
Mike Caro and the others were right to distance themselves from these people.
Their approach is childish.
Their information weak...
and their intelligence lacking.
DB10023756
>Nice valedictory. Doyle knows when to fold a weak hand.
>
>I've seen him play when things weren't going his way.
>He has baited and berated young up-and-coming players
>who were beating him.
>
>It was sad to see them respect him and take his abuse.
>"You want to be hero to the folks back home.
>Why don't you write a book." He'd repeat this
>gibberish over and over. That said...
>
>I respect and admire Doyle for being the
>world-class player that he is, even though IMO
>he may have even, yes, done some things that
>most of you would not tolerate.
>
>
You sound ,from reading your posts,present and on google search,like a 1st
class ,A#1, asshole.No wonder Brunson is leaving the ng,why be a target for
every bitter,bored no-life,low-life, lousy poker player that never graduated
beyond lo-limit ?I'm sure he's got better things to do.Well,it's the newsgroups
loss not his."IN your opinion"?Who gives a rat's ass about your
opinion?Answer=not a damn soul on this ng.Brunson's opinion?Most of us here who
have enjoyed having a world class player to occasionally get some perspective
from.Crawl back in your hole,your odour would knock a buzzard off a gut wagon.
Signed,Delmar
Pugum
1) Choose to side with the individual whose book taught me more than 90% of
what I know about poker, made me a winning player, and has done more to advance
the game than any other single individual in history; OR
2) Choose to side with the illiterate scum of the earth ???
Now that's a tough one !!!
Jim Jamison, Atlanta
talks_in_maths
- Anonymous
My two cents is that if someone were to be making these cheating
allegations of me, and they were nothing but false accusations, I
would fight them straight on and counter with facts that can be
verified. I wouldn't let my professional reputation suffer if I knew
that the truth was on my side.
I think that Brunson is letting the critics win and only fueling the
whispers of "Maybe Brunson DID cheat".
I've never had the honor of meeting Brunson, but I must say that
leaving at a time when these serious allegations are made is a move
that perhaps tarnishes one's character and personal fortitude.
To paraphrase a popular tag-line/sig line:
"I'm not going to let you dis me on the Internet because I'm a better
man than that!"
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RazzO
Since when has Mike distanced himself from these guys?
He's been coaching them(thats better than not, I guess).
razzo
AL wrote:
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RazzO
Not "According to Carson!"
razzo
Tyro wrote:
--
Gary Carson
One of the things I used to tout rgp in the book was that Brunson
sometimes posts to the newsgroup.
On 31 May 2001 23:28:12 GMT, texd...@aol.com (TEX DOLLY) wrote:
Gary Carson
http://www.garycarson.com
AL
>Since when has Mike distanced himself from these guys?
>He's been coaching them
I didn't mean by posting pointers in the ng. Others have done that, too.
I meant by not actively participating in this with them.... which I think is
evident from their spelling, sentance structure, and lack of meaningful
content.
>(thats better than not, I guess).
sure can't hurt!!.
SYeates485
>Maybe he just doesn't feel that the past needs to be gone over on the ng.
Duh...... OK sit down with Barry S. and set the record straight lets get
everything in the open
>Maybe he thinks that if he stayed he would lower himself to the standard of
>others and end up in posting wars.
>
could be
PegSmithNow
> I have limited poker skill, I can at times be the queen of non-poker poker
>content though :-)
Careful, lady, you're workin' my side o' the street.
Peg
G.C.A.
"Barbara Yoon" <by...@erols.com> wrote in message
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North Shore Mike
Wayno:
I follow this n.g. pretty faithfully. Since these GCA mopes showed up
here, I don't have time to sort through 600 posts a day, so I haven't
paid much attention.
I just logged in tonight to find out how you did in your home game on
Tuesday night, but that info is lost in a sea of b.s.
So, how'd you do? And, did anybody at the table catch a hanger?
PS: 3 of us were sitting around shooting the breeze last night, and
it was pretty much agreed that you and I are 1-2 in non-poker content
posts. When you gonna retire?
North Shore Mike
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<pinh...@canada.com> wrote:
>Wayno:
>I just logged in tonight to find out how you did in your home game on
>Tuesday night--
>
>So, how'd you do?
Oh, don't ask. I won, but it was the usual nightmare.
Best, Wayno
>North Shore Mike
AL
>
>It is very hard to fight against the truth.
Some aren't all that interested in history.
Most here seem to have an interest in the present.
G.C.A.
"talks_in_maths" <D_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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G.C.A.
admit I have cheated.
"culbertsonj" <culbe...@email.msn.com> wrote in message
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> Doyle I have enjoyed your posts in the group. That crap about cheating
> burns my butt. I knew about you from the old days and I know you never
even
> thought about cheating. Good poker players don't have to cheat!! I know
> about your reputation in the old days from West Texas.
> I think about the old days in Oklahoma and West Texas if you cheated and
> lived through the beating you got, you never played in another game.
> Hang in there.
> Jim Culbertson
> Midland, Texas
G.C.A.
be known as?
"Larry W. (Wayno) Phillips" <Larr...@charter.net> wrote in message
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Rib
Gary Carson wrote in message <3b172774....@news.mindspring.com>...
>Now my book is out of date before it even comes off the presses.
>
>One of the things I used to tout rgp in the book was that Brunson
>sometimes posts to the newsgroup.
You still have the line in about Peg though? Wouldn't want the only other
reason for reading to leave now..........
Rib
Nat Silver
You are confused.
I do not have the power to send Doyle away.
He's one tough cookie. If Doyle left, it was
for other reasons.
I said "IMO," becuase it's not fact.
If one graduates to higher limits,
one risks being cheated by a
player, who can't stand to lose.
You seem to revere Doyle and value his
presence in the newsgroup a great deal.
In that case, I suggest you contact Doyle,
get down on your knees and thank him,
which may make him feel better about
coming back.
DB10023756 wrote:
Art Santella
>I first came to rec. gambling out of boredom and curosity. After a few trys, I
>liked it and became a regular reader and occasional poster.
Doyle, With all the years you spent in the trenches of poker, it
would seem that you would have developed a skin so thick that you
could bounce a torpedo off of it. Hang around, and let us have the
benefit of your experience. Sometimes it's not easy to put up with
some of the people on rgp, and I know you are saying,"I don't need
this shit", but just don't let this piss you off to the extent that
someone forces you to do something silly.
Art Santella
"If You Ain't The Lead Dog, The Scenery Never Changes"
AlwaysAware
proving to be the Queen of Queen's (grin)
Joan
this getting a life thing is really working out... so yeah, here ya go Peg
(passing the baton to Peg)
PegSmithNow
>this getting a life thing is really working out...
Good for you! Is he cute? Rich? BOTH????
Peg
DB10023756
hey Nat,why dont you post your original email to me,the one thats identical to
this except for the vulgarity and prodanity?
Delmar
North Shore Mike
>I first came to rec. gambling out of boredom and curosity. After a few trys, I
>liked it and became a regular reader and occasional poster. You get to know the
>posters, even though you don't really know them. I enjoyed Mikes posts, Peg,
>Ashley, Wayno and the rest of the regulars.Heck, I even liked Maverick. I laugh
>everytime I read a post by Albino Bob and his" cook em till they are blue, then
>smother em in onions". Also I chuckled everytime about Dr Toast and his glue
>sniffing. Badger always gave a clear, concise post. I never read his book but
>I'll bet it is a good one. Now, instead of enjoying myself, I get aggrevated
>with this cheating stuff and I'm leaving and won't read anymore of it.
>Everybody tells me that all these maggots want is publicity and to have people
>talking about them. The worst thing, is to respond in any way, so I'm out of
>here. Good luck to everybody!........Doyle Brunson
Sad news, indeed. Hope you change our mind one day, Doyle.
.
Paul Reed
much, you presence gave rgp a little extra prestige.
--
Paul
paulj...@aol.com
The Baron
says...
> Maybe if you weren't such a fat cheating fuck, you wouldn't think every
> cheating post was directed at you.
1. Clear, coherent, erudite and indicating a deep philosophical
understanding of the situation.
2. Inane buffoon hiding behind yet another public "Spam-O-Matic" pseudo-
anonymous e-mail account.
3. Bonehead who's never written a book, never won the WSOP and is
embarrassed to have anyone know his real e-mail address. (Perhaps it would be
traced back to his mommy's basement?)
Pick two and we'll burn and turn the next post.
--
The Baron
The Baron
The "truth"? Will you be getting to us with the "truth" anytime soon or
will we have to dredge through yet another mire of incoherent ramblings from
cheats from the '70s?
Something current perhaps? Something independently verifiable possibly?
Maybe even something that is both current and verifiable?
You know the deal, that pesky stuff like names, dates, witnesses; that
sort of thing.
--
The Baron
The Baron
> "An honest man doesn't run from the truth. He fights to preserve it."
> - Anonymous
>
> My two cents is that if someone were to be making these cheating
> allegations of me, and they were nothing but false accusations, I
> would fight them straight on and counter with facts that can be
> verified. I wouldn't let my professional reputation suffer if I knew
> that the truth was on my side.
>
> I think that Brunson is letting the critics win and only fueling the
> whispers of "Maybe Brunson DID cheat".
>
> I've never had the honor of meeting Brunson, but I must say that
> leaving at a time when these serious allegations are made is a move
> that perhaps tarnishes one's character and personal fortitude.
>
> To paraphrase a popular tag-line/sig line:
>
> "I'm not going to let you dis me on the Internet because I'm a better
> man than that!"
Here's a zany thought. Is it possible that the Internet doesn't carry a
great deal of weight with Doyle? I suspect there are a number of people in the
poker world who care about their reputation on the Internet approximately as
much as they care about their reputation among the tern population on Easter
island. To some, many perhaps, the Internet is simply not important.
Personally, I've never met him and unless things change drastically it's
unlikely I will. I suspect I'm a long time from being able to play at his
level and I don't get to make any regular trips to Vegas. I don't think that
any allegations I would make would carry a great deal of weight especially if
they were nothing more than inane prattle on the Usenet.
I'll take it at face value from all concerned until I find something
that not only makes a coherent and verifiable case one way or the other, but
is able to carry that coherence and veracity outside of the Internet. When
it's all said and done, I don't have any reason to believe Doyle has been a
cheat. He plays far and away better poker than would require someone to devote
the time away from poker to become a competent cheat. From what I've read of
him and from conversations with people who do know him, he doesn't strike me
as the kind of person who'd be willing to devote his time to something he only
intended to pursue in a half-assed fashion. It takes time, effort and
experience to be a competent cheat. From what I can see, Doyle chose to play
poker.
SNIP
--
The Baron
DaVoice
internet image SHOULD be important to him as the chief tout for the
Highlands Club...but thats JMHO
RC
"The Baron" <x01...@icqmail.com> wrote in message
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Diane from Green Bay
> texdolly,
>
> That's what you get for not opting for 2 + 2 over rgp. I'm the only asshole
> over there and nobody reads my posts anyway.
>
> vince
Vince,
You are not the ONLY one @ 2+2. Matter of fact, you don't even belong
in that category. However, several others do--and that is why I left.
I did read your posts, when I formerly visited/participated in 2+2
forum.
rgp and 2+2 are two totally different "flavors" and I choose this one.
(But do miss a few of you guys !)
Diane from Green Bay
Steve Carbonara
We have never spoken. We have never met. However, when I look you up this
August in Las Vegas (during BARGE), I will tell you then, what I am telling
you now:
Your contributions to the game were (and are) invaluable. You are a role
model for so many people in the poker community. Your wisdom transcends the
ages. You are an icon. You have taught innumerable people how to play the
game(s) of poker. Your presence here on RGP is not only deserved, but it is
REQUIRED.
Why should the many people of RGP be denied your insights? Please do not let
the words of a few detract from the wisdom you impart on the many.
I sincerely urge you to reconsider, however, I will understand if you do
not.
-Steve
JP Massar
<stevec3...@juno.com> wrote:
>Doyle,
>
> Your wisdom transcends the
>ages.
Wow.
Woodie Johnson
>
>>Doyle,
>>
>> Your wisdom transcends the
>>ages.
>
>Wow.
>
and a new religion is born!
The taste for gambling is a kind of feeble-mindedness--
maybe even an insanity - It is the silliest of all the vices.
Henry Louis Mencken (1880-1956)
Jim Geary
> Your contributions to the game were (and are) invaluable. You are a role
> model for so many people in the poker community. Your wisdom transcends the
> ages. You are an icon.
I did a little searching to try and get a feel for his contribution to
this particular poker community as this is the one mentioned in the
subject line.
Doyle on respect for Daniel Negreanu:
"you can't lose something you never had"
Doyle to David Sklansky:
"LOL-LOL-LOL....."
Doyle on his accusers:
"From 1-10 with 1 being the best, these jerks rate as 99"
Doyle on Gary Crason:
"Gary must be a twisted, sick person--glad I don't know him personally."
Doyle on Phil Hellmuth:
"Nobody said you were the source of the cheating rumors. You were just the
jealous, backstabbing, carrier of the rumors"
Doyle on Steve Brecher:
"Someday we will all be perfect, like you."
Doyle on Mike McClain who pointed out overt plaigiarism at Highlands (they
copied Paradise's ethics page -- even leaving in the Paradise references):
"be sure and practice safe sex and go screw yourself."
Doyle on a completely random thread:
"stick it where the sun dont shine"
Color me iconized.
Jim Geary
jimgeary.com - something to bore everyone
Woodie Johnson
>
>I did a little searching to try and get a feel for his contribution
read it...
quite profound!!
whahahaha
Jaeger T. Cat
Steve Carbonara <stevec3...@juno.com> wrote:
>Doyle,
>
>We have never spoken. We have never met. However, when I look you up this
>August in Las Vegas (during BARGE), I will tell you then, what I am telling
>you now:
>
[hero worship deleted]
Steve: someone stole the password to your Juno account.
Bill Vanek
On Mon, 4 Jun 2001 18:18:40 -0400, Jim Geary <jay...@netaxs.com>
wrote:
Bill T
"Steve Carbonara" <stevec3...@juno.com> wrote in message
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> Doyle,
>
> Your contributions to the game were (and are) invaluable. You are a role
> model for so many people in the poker community. Your wisdom transcends
the
> ages. You are an icon. You have taught innumerable people how to play the
> game(s) of poker. Your presence here on RGP is not only deserved, but it
is
> REQUIRED.
>
> Why should the many people of RGP be denied your insights? Please do not
let
> the words of a few detract from the wisdom you impart on the many.
>
And I thought that the Church of John Coltrane was a little bit over the
top.
AlwaysAware
>I did a little searching to try and get a feel for his contribution to
>this particular poker community
(snip)
Looks like you only walked one side of the street, who among us has not written
a "firey" post? Maybe you haven't, I have. We could have a field day with the
stuff Caro has written, things said in jest could easily be taken way out of
contexts... like his latest post on admitting to cheating (those of you not
following these threads closely, Mike was kidding about being a cheat). Phil
and Doyle kissed and made up, yet you didn't reference that post.
I went back and read some of Doyle Brunson's old posts, inviting people to
watch him play in live games at public places, his honest thoughts on the
passing of Stu Unger, yada yada yada...
He may not have given a lot of poker lessons (so what, buy his book). He did
speak his mind, give opinions and clarify a thing or two. Steve appreciated him
and perhaps some of Steve's words were over the top, so what... this is
America he can say what he wants... I don't think hero worship is a good
thing, but I also don't think that blanket selective bashing serves a purpose
either. (IMO) we benefit from diversity, even (and especially) when it comes
with one saying exactly what is on their mind... everyone complains about
these GCA guys slowrolling and dancing around and where is the meat, well -
Doyle certainly didn't have that problem.
Joan
Mike Caro
Hi, Joan --
Excellent thoughts. But just for the record, I was perfectly truthful
about what I said in the post you referenced. And I did not admit to
being a cheat. Go back and read it again.
...
See? I denied cheating twice, right?
Straight Flushes,
Mike Caro
john
John..
AlwaysAware
has not yet posted to my newsreader (AOL censors my stuff :-( I will do my
best to copy it here and respond:
From Mike Caro written June 4th at 20:47:46 PST:
Hi, Joan --
Excellent thoughts. But just for the record, I was perfectly truthful
about what I said in the post you referenced. And I did not admit to
being a cheat. Go back and read it again.
...
See? I denied cheating twice, right?
Straight Flushes,
Mike Caro
End of Mike's Post
Hi Mike:
I don't doubt that what you say is true and I will take your word for it as I
wouldn't even begin to remember what tangent that post belongs too... (sigh)
Your writing is clever, yet to a newbie or someone with much less brain cells
than yourself the interpretation is suspect. Perhaps my words were ill chosen
or unclear (don't care enough to even go back and read those few sentences in
my own post) However, the point remains the same... it would be easy to take
one of your posts, on it's own, without the surrounding posts and lead others
to believe it was something that it was not intended to be. That was my point.
Joan
who has not yet enrolled in that communications course, so... I have no doubt
that I will be back clarifiying something else :-)
P.S. And Yes,,, it would appear that you have denied cheating... at least once
anyway :-)
The post that started this discussion:
>From: alway...@aol.com (AlwaysAware)
>Date: 6/4/01 10:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time
referencing Jim Geary's post:
Steve Carbonara
Second: I do not advocate religion, in any form.
Third: Doyle's contribution to the "poker community" (if not exclusively via
RGP) cannot be denied.
In addition, There is not one over-the-top word in my post. How many of you
have not, in some part, obtained at least a snippet of your supposed poker
knowledge from Doyle? How many of you did not cheer him on in WSOP events?
How many of you don't wish you could play the game like Doyle? How many of
you really give a shit about this?
And, can any of you dispute any of the words I wrote? I think not.
Sorry, but I was (and still am) quite saddened by this. But, maybe that's
just me.
-Steve
Steve Carbonara <stevec3...@juno.com> wrote in message
news:9fgt29$405sr$1...@ID-91361.news.dfncis.de...
Steve Carbonara
> Steve: someone stole the password to your Juno account.
I have got to find a job, soon. Not for the money, but for REAL internet
access. And, hey...at least I didn't use AO-hell :)
et tu, Jaeger?
AlwaysAware
competing with me...
I knew the "hero worship" comment would come back to haunt me due to
misunderstanding *but* I went ahead and hit the send key anyway *(will I EVER
learn? :-) I used the extremes... hero worship and blanket selective
bashing... Sorry, but I don't think you qualify for "hero worship" yet, but
keep trying..
>Second: I do not advocate religion, in any form
I am lost, so I will move on
>Third: Doyle's contribution to the "poker community" (if not exclusively via
>RGP) cannot be denied.
>
no argument here
>In addition, There is not one over-the-top word in my post.
Never said there was, I used "perhaps" meaning those that thought it might be
> How many of
>you really give a shit about this?
I do. I find it sad that 20 million snippy posts come through with no real
substance...that real information is not given and we are fed only speculation.
That this has caused people like Mr. Doyle to pick up their toys and go home
>And, can any of you dispute any of the words I wrote? I think not.
Of course we could... whether we could or not... just because we have small
lives and lot's of time on our hands :-)
>Sorry, but I was (and still am) quite saddened by this. But, maybe that's
>just me.
If you read the other posts, you would know it's not just you,
Hope you land a job and a computer soon.. see you in Vegas in August.
Joan
emailed and posted
>Subject: Re: Doyles farewell to RGP
>From: "Steve Carbonara" stevec3...@juno.com
>Date: 6/6/01 12:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <9fkaqq$4h966$1...@ID-91361.news.dfncis.de>
NChrisH
substance...that real information is not given and we are fed only speculation.
That this has caused people like Mr. Doyle to pick up their toys and go home
>>
Joan,
I would venture that Mr. Brunson is still reading what is posted here, but
prefers not to respond until this thing plays itself out. Either that, or he
just likes to sign on to AOL and leave the computer on a lot.
Chris
JoanSchmengie
Highlands... My computer is on a lot, but I am not always on rgp (though it may
seem like it)
And I realize that is possible, but lurking and being an active partcipate are
two different things.
Joan
>Subject: Re: Doyles farewell to RGP
>From: nch...@aol.com (NChrisH)
>Date: 6/6/01 12:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <20010606123918...@ng-fp1.aol.com>
NChrisH
are
two different things. >>
Understood. My point was that he may return to this group after this GCA thing
plays itself out. Since Todd is here also, and responding to posts, I'm fairly
certain that Mr. Brunson has been appraised of what is being said.
Chris
AlwaysAware
the BARGE mail list :-) responds:
Chris:
I understood your point.. I am fairly certain of nothing in this world (except
death and taxes)... but, I too hope that it plays out that way..
Joan
>From: nch...@aol.com (NChrisH)
>Date: 6/6/01 1:17 PM Eastern
Bill T
"NChrisH" <nch...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20010606123918...@ng-fp1.aol.com...
> I would venture that Mr. Brunson is still reading what is posted here, but
> prefers not to respond until this thing plays itself out. Either that, or
he
> just likes to sign on to AOL and leave the computer on a lot.
Totally off-topic:
Do you mean that AOL users can be detected when they go online? Does it
involve AOL's Instant Messenger or BuddyList ?
(I have DSL, so my internet connection is always "on". But, I don't think
AOL offers broadband yet.)
NChrisH
involve AOL's Instant Messenger or BuddyList ?
(I have DSL, so my internet connection is always "on". But, I don't think
AOL offers broadband yet.) >>
If you have AOL you can check if any member is online at a given time. It will
also tell you if they are in a chat room and available. It is not part of the
buddy list, but functions as part of Instant Messenger.
AOL is now offering DSL connections, for WIndows only. Since almost all AOL
accounts are still by dial up modem, there are few connections that are always
on.
I leave my dial up connected most of the time, so it sometimes appears that my
connection is always on, even thought it is not DSL.
Chris
AlwaysAware
>Do you mean that AOL users can be detected when they go online? Does it
>involve AOL's Instant Messenger or BuddyList ?
In addition to what Chris said.... Unless I change my privacy preferences
anyone can see that I am online, if they put me on their AOL buddy list or AIM,
It shows when I sign on and when I sign off. I can alter who, if anyone can see
me if I want too. I can also make myself totally invisible so that no one can
see me. (But there are backdoors and you have to lock those or sneaky little
devils can still see you skipping around cyberspace)
Joan
Bill T
Thanks to you and Chris.
I had thought that MS was the Devil, but mebbe it's been AOL
all along ( :) ).
NChrisH
devils can still see you skipping around cyberspace)
Joan >>
I hope you didn't have anyone in particular in mind when you typed that.
Chris
AlwaysAware
><< (But there are backdoors and you have to lock those or sneaky little
>devils can still see you skipping around cyberspace)
>
>Joan >>
>From: nch...@aol.com (NChrisH)
>I hope you didn't have anyone in particular in mind when you typed that.
>
>Chris
hmmm, you are now officially scaring me.. where is that privacy preference
button.. oh there is it... all doors safely bolted...
It is interesting to me, the virus email and the missent email that comes to me
via people that have me in their address book. People I do not know per say,
but have seen post. I used to think it was cuz I am so damn funny people would
store my address and search their newsreader or google (deja) if they needed a
good laugh ;-).... Now, I wonder... oh right - no worries, now in invisible
mode.
Joan
NChrisH
button.. oh there is it... all doors safely bolted... >>
OK, it's just my warped sense of humor. Don't worry, I am not tracking you or
anyone else.
I remember some crazy commericial they had on radio. It was along the lines of
the right way to meet someone vs. the wrong way.
"I'm pleased to meet you, I've been waiting for this for some time." Good.
"I've been following you, Nancy". Bad.
As for any virus, I'm one of those diehards who refuses to give up on Apple and
the Mac, so I stay clean.
Never have put anyone in my address book that wasn't someone I knew directly or
a business contact. Remember, "Paranoia will destroy ya".
Chris
AlwaysAware
>OK, it's just my warped sense of humor. Don't worry, I am not tracking you or
>anyone else.
What's this, a stalker with a sense of humor??
>"I've been following you, Nancy". Bad.
agreed..
>"I'm pleased to meet you, I've been waiting for this for some time." Good.
"waiting for some time" yikes! warning bells, warning bells!!!!!
>"Paranoia will destroy ya".
Paranoia, me? nah. Like I told Steve C. I got dibs on "defensive"
Anyway, great things can also come from the ability to see people online. It's
a two edged sword of sorts. And when you are really bored you can put all the
anonymous lamo's on a buddy list as well as the regulars and watch as they
switch names and see who is imitating who :-) Did I mention I had a small
life (grin)
Joan
Rhino53076
been for many many years is beyond me?
Mike Caro
>Why these people fail to believe Doyle their "hero" actually cheats and has
>been for many many years is beyond me?
Rhino --
It's because there's no evidence linking him to the things that have
been alleged. Doyle Brunson has been amazingly candid in telling us
what his creed is. He knows who the cheats are and what they've done,
but he says he won't share this information because he doesn't want to
break confidences and would like to continue to receive information in
the future.
He is out to protect his own games. That's a stunningly different
outlook than my own, but I admire Doyle even more for having the
candor to share his true beliefs on this. I imagine others share this
same creed, but wouldn't dare admit it publicly.
Doyle just wants to play poker and be left alone. He doesn't want to
be an icon -- even though it's clear to me he will always be one in
very many players' eyes, want to or not.
I've known Doyle Brunson personally since 1976. There is nobody else
remotely like him. If you were to sift through all the people you know
and put them into major bins according to similarities, there's no bin
to put Doyle. There's just nobody else like him, and I'm not even
speaking in a poker sense. If anyone has the book "According to
Doyle," read my introduction (or foreword). See the part about the
employee he caught stealing money. That's the way he is.
Straight Flushes,
Mike Caro
(who hopes he's remembering correctly about the foreword, because he
doesn't have a book available)
Gary Carson
>On 09 Jun 2001 13:57:31 GMT, rhino...@aol.com (Rhino53076) wrote:
>
>>Why these people fail to believe Doyle their "hero" actually cheats
and has
>>been for many many years is beyond me?
>
>Rhino --
>
>It's because there's no evidence linking him to the things that have
Sure there is.
No physical evidence. But there is circumstancial evidence in the
form of his personality and character. There is also testimonial
evidence. This non-physical evidence might be weak, might be
insufficiant for a criminal prosecution, it might not be persuasive to
anyone, but it is evidence.
>been alleged. Doyle Brunson has been amazingly candid in telling us
>what his creed is. He knows who the cheats are and what they've done,
>but he says he won't share this information because he doesn't want
to
>break confidences and would like to continue to receive information
in
>the future.
So he's said what? That he has a partnership with cheats?
>He is out to protect his own games.
How does he protect his own games? Does he do that by cheating the
cheats?
>Doyle just wants to play poker and be left alone.
Well, if I was cheating I'd want to be left alone to. I don't see how
him wanting to be left alone is particularly relevant.
> He doesn't want to
>be an icon -- even though it's clear to me he will always be one in
>very many players' eyes, want to or not.
>
>I've known Doyle Brunson personally since 1976. There is nobody else
>remotely like him. If you were to sift through all the people you
know
>and put them into major bins according to similarities, there's no
bin
>to put Doyle. There's just nobody else like him, and I'm not even
>speaking in a poker sense. If anyone has the book "According to
>Doyle," read my introduction (or foreword). See the part about the
>employee he caught stealing money. That's the way he is.
Well, Doyle might be a unique individual. But, that's kinda not a
unique characteristic. It's a characteristic shared by most people.
Makes him kind of ordinary, doesn't it?
Gary Carson
http://www.garycarson.com
TEX DOLLY
would have some nasty thing to say about it. Pal, you need some professional
help. Now, I hope you do meet Todd...find a good dentist first. Don't e-mail
me any more........Doyle Brunson
RazzO
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I'm sure you and his momma are real proud of him.
I'm guessing he got his character from his daddy.
When you and Slim and Sailor made your second trip to Las Vegas, did
you cheat? That's what I always heard. I heard that you got cheated
your fist visit and came back on the second visit to beat the cheats
at their own game.
You and your clueless son have managed to convince me that those
stories are probably true.
Gary Carson
http://www.garycarson.com
Gary Carson
wrote:
>> Don't e-mail me any more
>
>*gAsP*
When I asked his son not to email me anymore this is how he responded.
From: ImTh...@aol.com
To: garyc...@mindspring.com
Subject: Re: You're a dumbass
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 06:54:44 EDT
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't live of my Daddy asshole. And go fuck yourself I'll e-mail you
whenever I feel like it.
The not living off his daddy remark was about something I'd said about
a previous email he'd sent me where he said his daddy should have sent
him to the same school I went to. I said he should pay his own
tuition. The email exchange had been initiated by the Brunson boy,
not me.
I'm, of course, not going to fight the boy. If he wants to assualt
me, then I guess he'll just assualt me. It won't surprise me, after
all he's a Brunson.
Gary Carson
http://www.garycarson.com
TEX DOLLY
being he corresponds at all with you. Actually, Todd is one of the most popular
people in the card room...I wonder how Gary would do? Do you have a single
friend Gary? YOU ARE A SICK PERSON.......Doyle B
Gary Carson
What about the stories about you and Sailor and Slim Doyle?
Are they true?
I don't know if I have any friends or not Doyle.
But, I don't send my boy out to threaten people who ask questions that
I don't want to answer.
I don't react well to threats. I don't react well to threats from
your boy, I don't react well to your encouragement of his threats.
I asked you nice to get him to lay off. You gave me a trailer trash
crap response about how tough he is.
So, we won't be nice anymore.
I have no idea why anybody trusts you. There have been stories about
your cheating for decades. You admit that you're cozy with cheats,
basically do business with them. You claim Jack Biniion as a good
freind, a guy who at best ran a family owned caisno into financial
ruin thru incompetence, or as his sister beleived, ran it into
finaincial ruin by skimming, stealing from his family.
That's the kind of man you are Doyle. And, you picked the wrong man
to threaten. Go back in your trailer Doyle. You don't belong in the
company of decent people.
Gary Carson
http://www.garycarson.com
Gary Carson
it's a good one. A collection of old Gambling Times essays, they
tended to be in kind of a homily format -- little vignettes about his
gambling experiences with a lesson
Check your local interlibrary loan also. It's a must read, but not a
must have.
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DB10023756
really know.You roam around the ng picking apart every word some one says,just
looking for arguement.You accuse Doyle of being trailer trash.Who is the washed
up ex -porno writer who lives in a trailer in Texas?3 guesses.Mike Caro is a
slimeball to you.That alone tells all there is to know about your character,or
lack of.You have a personal vendetta with D. Negreanu,someone else you dont
know.If your personality is such death to friendship online,I can only guess
what you must be like in person.I got an inkling fron the post the guy made
about you charging him for a free hotel room you had in LV.(if I've left
anybody out you think are slimeballs,let me know.Barry
Schulman,Badger,practically anyone in the public eye comes to mind,serious
character flaw on your part Gary)