I could always tell from her lack of any real knowledge that Sarah was
more beauty queen than brain but it turns out she is quite a bit below
average. Her Wasilla high school IQ test (in 1982 she was Sarah Louse
Heath) came in at a below average 86.
source:
http://www.buzzfeed.com/scott/sarah-palins-iq#responses
Some of you conservatives here might think 86 is quite high compared
to you but when compared to most people it’s very poor.
Average IQ of Democrats 103
Average IQ of Republican 96
Source: PEW research
if the dem avg includes maxine waters, you should tout the mode:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUaY3LhJ-IQ
even six sigma republicans fall for the clever remixes of fox news.
mo_charles
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> if the dem avg includes maxine waters, you should tout the mode:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUaY3LhJ-IQ
>
> even six sigma republicans fall for the clever remixes of fox news.
Risky is on tilt this morning.
Let him have his fun. He enjoys so little in his life.
> Sarah Palin is so stupid she couldn�t even write her own book and the
> person who wrote it for her, Lynn Vincent, has a long history of being
> a hateful gay bashing religious crazy.
Sarah Palin writes a book that nets her millions and is a number one best
seller before it even hits the mass market. Needless to say this has the
left wing loons frothing at the mouth and snapping their jaws in a
maniacal frenzy. The continued persecution of Sarah Palin and her family
has become an obsession for these dim witted cowards.
Irish Mike
President Obama has decided to send 40,000 additional troops to fight in
the war against Fox News.
Recession: When your neighbor loses his job.
Depression: When you lose your job.
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Thse are American loonies, not Irish loonies!!!!
hanks
> Average IQ of Democrats 103
> Average IQ of Republican 96
> Source: PEW research
Stand to reason; they�re better edicated. �Liberal colleges.� �Liberal
professors.�
v.
Single wide trailer with pickup truck � complete with stars and bars, gun
rack and tires the size of a time zone. (Rush Limbaugh�s ditto-head and FAUX
listening audience).
Jerry (lol) �n Vegas
- Chocolate sex toys always melt long before I'm done using them!
> Sarah Palin writes a book that nets her millions and is a number one best
> seller before it even hits the mass market. Needless to say this has the
> left wing loons frothing at the mouth and snapping their jaws in a
> maniacal frenzy. The continued persecution of Sarah Palin and her family
> has become an obsession for these dim witted cowards.
>
> Irish Mike
As a left wing loon myself allow me to assure you that most of us are
laughing our asses off at the fact that it's you righties who are going
to make her rich. Trust me, none of us will be buying the book.
Vic
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Has the IQ score been verified by any reputable source other than the web
site previously cited?
Sarah was probably hot and popular in school, and I can recall taking the
ACT after an all-nighter and suffering from a hangover (still managed a
respectable 25 score), so I might cut her some slack if she did in fact take
the IQ test but wasn't really ready for it.
But still, a score of 86 indicates that she is fatally stupid.
> Sarah Palin is so stupid she couldn�t even write her own book and the
> person who wrote it for her, Lynn Vincent, has a long history of being
> a hateful gay bashing religious crazy.
> Source:
>
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/13/lynn-vincent-palin-co-aut_n_357204..html
>
> I could always tell from her lack of any real knowledge that Sarah was
> more beauty queen than brain but it turns out she is quite a bit below
> average. Her Wasilla high school IQ test (in 1982 she was Sarah Louse
> Heath) came in at a below average 86.
> source:
> http://www.buzzfeed.com/scott/sarah-palins-iq#responses
>
> Some of you conservatives here might think 86 is quite high compared
> to you but when compared to most people it�s very poor.
>
> Average IQ of Democrats 103
> Average IQ of Republican 96
> Source: PEW research
Does PEW research show the IQ for Barney Fife (I mean Franks)?
________________________________________________________________________�
> "da pickle no spam"
>
>
> > Average IQ of Democrats 103
> > Average IQ of Republican 96
> > Source: PEW research
>
> Stand to reason; they�re better edicated. �Liberal colleges.� �Liberal
> professors.�
>
((( STANDS TO REASON; THAT WHY EVERY STATE BEING RUN BY EDICATED LIBERALS
ARE GOING BANKRUPT FASTER THAT RACHEL MADCOW GOING DOWN ON A FUR-BURGER
>
> Single wide trailer with pickup truck � complete with stars and bars, gun
> rack and tires the size of a time zone. (Rush Limbaugh�s ditto-head and FAUX
> listening audience).
>
>
> Jerry (lol) �n Vegas
>
> - Chocolate sex toys always melt long before I'm done using them!
_______________________________________________________________________�
To mention the unspeakable: an IQ of 86 would be approximately the
average of African-Americans.
Real-world success depends on much more than IQ, as you know. I've met
many successful lawyers and businessmen who struck me as less-than-Mensa
material.
An 8-year old American white girl, a sub-Saharan African man, and a
retarded American adult all score the same on an IQ test. Each would
have different level of function in his/her environment.
I meant to say unadjusted raw scores.
She "went rogue" on a number of facts in the book, too:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091113/ap_on_el_pr/us_palin_book_fact_check
Jim
Heh.
Newsmax is giving them away.
Jim
What!!! I paid $4 bucks for mine!
Unbelievable. I enjoy so little in life? You're the one who pretends to be
pickle then you pretend it's me pretending to be pickle. Jesus Christ-
you're snail poop.
____________________________________________________________________�
>On Nov 16 2009 9:51 AM, da pickle wrote:
>
>> "mo_charles"
>>
>> > if the dem avg includes maxine waters, you should tout the mode:
>> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUaY3LhJ-IQ
>> >
>> > even six sigma republicans fall for the clever remixes of fox news.
>>
>> Risky is on tilt this morning.
>>
>> Let him have his fun. He enjoys so little in his life.
>
>Unbelievable. I enjoy so little in life? You're the one who pretends to be
>pickle then you pretend it's me pretending to be pickle. Jesus Christ-
>you're snail poop.
>
I just killfiled another faux Pickle that popped up here.
What's your game, risky?
>Trust me, none of us will be buying the book.
>
> Vic
too many big words and not enough pictures for you?
Not nearly absorbent enough.
Jim
==================================================
Ick. Keep your infantile excretory fantasies to yourself.
Jim
--
"I do not fuck goats."
-- Alim Nassor
>http://www.mtpioneer.com/archive-Clinton-ghost.htm
ButClinton!
--
~ Seth Jackson
MySpace URL - http://www.myspace.com/sethjacksonsong
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Good one!
Good comeback!
> On Nov 16 2009 2:59 PM, Anguished Mike wrote:
>
> > Sarah Palin writes a book that nets her millions and is a number one best
> > seller before it even hits the mass market. Needless to say this has the
> > left wing loons frothing at the mouth and snapping their jaws in a
> > maniacal frenzy. The continued persecution of Sarah Palin and her family
> > has become an obsession for these dim witted cowards.
> >
> > Irish Mike
>
> As a left wing loon myself allow me to assure you that most of us are
> laughing our asses off at the fact that it's you righties who are going
> to make her rich. Trust me, none of us will be buying the book.
>
> Vic
That's because people who buy books know how to read.
Irish Mike
Obama has decided to send 40,000 additional troops to fight in the war
against Fox News.
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You are the one needing abosrbent material Jim. Remember, yellow
streak out.
>>> Risky is on tilt this morning.
>>>
>>> Let him have his fun. He enjoys so little in his life.
>>
>>Unbelievable. I enjoy so little in life? You're the one who pretends to be
>>pickle then you pretend it's me pretending to be pickle. Jesus Christ-
>>you're snail poop.
>>
>
> I just killfiled another faux Pickle that popped up here.
>
> What's your game, risky?
Risky has a man-crush on me. It happens. If his fantasy gives him a little
enjoyment, who am I to deny him? Maybe we can get a beer someday ... he can
see if the having is as exciting as the wanting. Who knows?
> - -- Sarah Palin is so stupid she couldn't even write her own book and
> the
> - -- person who wrote it for her, Lynn Vincent, has a long history of
> being
> - -- a hateful gay bashing religious crazy.
> -
> - - Sarah Palin writes a book that nets her millions and is a number
> one best
> - - seller before it even hits the mass market. Needless to say this
> has the
> - - left wing loons frothing at the mouth and snapping their jaws in a
> - - maniacal frenzy...
> -
> - Heh.
> -
> - Newsmax is giving them away.
> -
> - Jim
>
> What!!! I paid $4 bucks for mine!
Wow, you are having serious problems with your news accounts, risky!
Another small sign of dementia ... just a small one, but you should keep an
eye on it.
> But still, a score of 86 indicates that she is fatally stupid.
And so are you if you believe this header.
> On Nov 16 2009 5:06 PM, Vic Vaselino wrote:
>
> > On Nov 16 2009 2:59 PM, Anguished Mike wrote:
> >
> > > Sarah Palin writes a book that nets her millions and is a number one best
> > > seller before it even hits the mass market. Needless to say this has the
> > > left wing loons frothing at the mouth and snapping their jaws in a
> > > maniacal frenzy. The continued persecution of Sarah Palin and her family
> > > has become an obsession for these dim witted cowards.
> > >
> > > Irish Mike
> >
> > As a left wing loon myself allow me to assure you that most of us are
> > laughing our asses off at the fact that it's you righties who are going
> > to make her rich. Trust me, none of us will be buying the book.
> >
> > Vic
>
> That's because people who buy books know how to read.
>
> Irish Mike
Good comeback Anguished Mike. I crawl away, my spirit crushed.
Vic
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> Sarah Palin writes a book that nets her millions and is
> a number one best seller before it even hits the mass market.
> Needless to say this has the left wing loons frothing at
> the mouth and snapping their jaws in a maniacal frenzy.
> The continued persecution of Sarah Palin and her family
> has become an obsession for these dim witted cowards.
The point you obviously miss it that the people are purchasing the book; not
for the content - being it's unknown - but BECAUSE it's from her. Best
Seller is that, only. You don't win an Academy Award � because people think
the move MIGHT be good.
Jerry 'n Vegas
- Liberal Arts Major-Will think for food.
"Dude777" <dud...@dude.mail.com> wrote in message
news:hdu2ov$28a$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> James L. Hankins wrote:
>
>> But still, a score of 86 indicates that she is fatally stupid.
>
> And so are you if you believe this header.
Seemed a little high to me too.
Why is that? What about Sarah Palin suggests to you that it might not be
true?
It's pretty clear you don't have a clue what an IQ test is. My IQ scores
when I was 8 didn't differ much from my IQ scores when I was 48.
_______________________________________________________________________�
And you've been the governor of what state, Hankins? where you had to
beat not only the opposition party but your own party?
Which year and at what national convention did you give your all-time
great speech?
Could you refresh our memory?
You crushed a Vice Presidential candidate of the United States in a
debate, when?
Hummm, iiiiii seeeee.
Oh, have I mentioned that Sarah's rich now?
> Oh, have I mentioned that Sarah's rich now?
Rich, but still dumb. It's a problem money can't cure.
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No, you're still a cowardly little liberal ass wipe. You hate Sarah Palin
because she is intelligent, accomplished, attractive, conservative and -
most importantly - pro life. Now stick you head back in the Obama kool
aid bucket and pretend record unemployment, record deficits and a weak,
indecisive commander in chief aren't real problems.
Irish Mike
President Obama has decided to send 40,000 additional troops to fight in
the war against Fox News.
Recession: When your neighbor loses his job.
Depression: When you lose your job.
Recovery: When Obama loses his job.
> On Nov 17 2009 10:26 AM, Vic Vaselino wrote:
>
> > On Nov 17 2009 2:57 AM, Irish Mike wrote:
> >
> > > On Nov 16 2009 5:06 PM, Vic Vaselino wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Nov 16 2009 2:59 PM, Anguished Mike wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Sarah Palin writes a book that nets her millions and is a number one
> best
> > > > > seller before it even hits the mass market. Needless to say this has
> the
> > > > > left wing loons frothing at the mouth and snapping their jaws in a
> > > > > maniacal frenzy. The continued persecution of Sarah Palin and her
> family
> > > > > has become an obsession for these dim witted cowards.
> > > > >
> > > > > Irish Mike
> > > >
> > > > As a left wing loon myself allow me to assure you that most of us are
> > > > laughing our asses off at the fact that it's you righties who are
going
> > > > to make her rich. Trust me, none of us will be buying the book.
> > > >
> > > > Vic
> > >
> > > That's because people who buy books know how to read.
> > >
> > > Irish Mike
> >
> > Good comeback Anguished Mike. I crawl away, my spirit crushed.
> >
> > Vic
>
> No, you're still a cowardly little liberal ass wipe.
I am liberal, but I weigh 210 lbs so not so little. If you want to call me
an ass wipe that's OK. The ignorant often revert to name-calling when
they have no clue what they're talking about.
Cowardly? Like you I am a Viet Nam veteran, Interrogator, 4th Infantry
Division, Pleiku and Dak To. Like you I earned the right to express an
opinion. Unlike l you I don't resort to name calling.
Since we will never agree on anything I will no longer respond to any
of your posts. I hope you can find some happiness.
Vic (Real name Peter Politi)
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So, your next move must be to jump off a building under the affliction
of FLS Syndrome, (Fear and Loathing of Sarah Syndrome).
- But she's obviously not dumb, Chrissypoo.
As mentioned in the original post, “Some of you conservatives might
think 86 is quite high compared to you but when compared to most
people it’s very poor.” It’s quite understandable that YOU might think
Sarah’s intelligent. I imagine Sarah’s Down's syndrome son Trig will
grow up also thinking she’s very smart.
I like how this ridiculous thread has gone on for days without anyone
apparently noticing that the source you are all talking about gives an
IQ of 83, not 86.
> But she's obviously not dumb, Chrissypoo.
Should I be surprised that one dumbshit doesn't recognize this very same
quality in one of his kin?
> So, your next move must be to jump off a building under the affliction
> of FLS Syndrome, (Fear and Loathing of Sarah Syndrome).
Or more likely, repeated bouts of LOL Syndrome.
It is not unspeakable, in fact it has been spoken about here many times.
I grow tired of it. The gap between African-Americans has closed by
approximately 1/3 over the last 100 years. There is ample data showing
that SES has an effect on IQ scores, and there are even longitudinal
studies of children taken from poor to well-off families by adoption
whose IQs have gone from mildly retarded to average. IQ scores tend to
increase by about 10 points per generation in most populations, further
showing that IQ measures much more than innate ability, in a phenomenon
known as the "Flynn Effect". The only thing "unspeakable" about your
unsupported data would be drawing racist conclusions from such
convoluted data, therefore I assume that is what you are doing.
> Real-world success depends on much more than IQ, as you know.
Wow, you are so wise!
> I've met
> many successful lawyers and businessmen who struck me as less-than-Mensa
> material.
>
And I'm sure you would know. We'll take your meaningless, generalized
anecdote under advisement.
> An 8-year old American white girl, a sub-Saharan African man, and a
> retarded American adult all score the same on an IQ test. Each would
> have different level of function in his/her environment.
>
And this tidbit, also, we can presume comes from somewhere deep in your
digestive tract. Yet it seems to be much more specific. Even
overlooking the fact that you ignore age-normalization, care to back up
this nonsense at all? Also, care to explain what the fuck this has to
do with Sarah Palin's IQ? Was she from an uncivilized tribe in
sub-saharan African but scored on a U.S. scale? Or was she a well off
white kid?
If you extend the Flynn Effect back to the early 1900s, and scored the
average American of then on today's scale, you would conclude they were
too stupid to understand the rules of baseball. What's your point again?
if observations don't fit our pre-conceived notions, we scientists scrap
them.
mo_charles
This is great, everytime Sarah cashes a big check, they go nuts.
<<snip>>>
> If you extend the Flynn Effect back to the early 1900s, and scored the
> average American of then on today's scale, you would conclude they were
> too stupid to understand the rules of baseball. What's your point again?
My point was that if Palin does have an IQ of 86, she is not necessarily
"fatally stupid".
Heck, according to what iIve found on the net regarding presidential
IQ scores only 2 presidents have had IQ's higher than mine. Vote for
Alim 2012!!!!!!
Well Vic, assuming what you say about your military service is true, I
sincerely apologize for calling you a name and for questioning your
courage. I was wrong when I did that. You have indeed earned the right
to express your liberal political views regardless of how misguided they
may be.
Irish Mike
Obama has decided to send 40,000 additional troops to fight in the war
against Fox News.
______________________________________________________________________�
No, you win the Nobel Peace Prize.
Irish Mike
Obama has decided to send 40,000 additional troops to fight in the war
against Fox News.
Recession: When your neighbor loses his job.
Depression: When you lose your job.
Recovery: When Obama loses his job.
_______________________________________________________________________�
https://www.newsmaxstore.com/nm_mag/going-rogue3.cfm?promo_code=29F5-1
I think she's an airhead but I highly doubt that she has an IQ as low as
83 or 87. I think 87 or 85 is defined as mental retardation. Why the hell
would anyone believe those documents on the internet are authentic?
_____________________________________________________________________�
Leave it to Travel to swoon when the political equivalent of Carrie Prejan
skips out of her duties as governor to score a million dollar payday.
That's the kind of principle we need � nay, demand! � in the White House.
Upset? Hardly. In fact, I'm laughing my ass off!
>Well Vic, assuming what you say about your military service is true, I
>sincerely apologize for calling you a name and for questioning your
>courage. I was wrong when I did that. You have indeed earned the right
>to express your liberal political views regardless of how misguided they
>may be.
Are you suggesting that only veterans have earned the right to express
their opinions? Is that the kind of "freedom" you fought for?
--
~ Seth Jackson
MySpace URL - http://www.myspace.com/sethjacksonsong
Songwriting and Music Business Info: http://www.sethjackson.net
> On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 18:27:59 -0800, "Irish Mike"
> <ad7...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>
> >Well Vic, assuming what you say about your military service is true, I
> >sincerely apologize for calling you a name and for questioning your
> >courage. I was wrong when I did that. You have indeed earned the right
> >to express your liberal political views regardless of how misguided they
> >may be.
>
> Are you suggesting that only veterans have earned the right to express
> their opinions? Is that the kind of "freedom" you fought for?
> --
> ~ Seth Jackson
SORRY FOR YOU PEPE.... CAR BOMB MIKE IS PRETENDING TO HAVE YOU KILL FILED.
GO GREEN AND CHANGE THE WORLD FOR CARBOMB MIKE ....HE'S THE TRUE IRISH
PATRIOT.
By the way ...Which one is Pink?
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"risky biz" <risk...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:8i5ct6x...@recgroups.com...
> I think she's an airhead but I highly doubt that she has an IQ as
> low as
> 83 or 87. I think 87 or 85 is defined as mental retardation.
I don't think so. About 16% of the population has an IQ of 85 or less
(assuming an SD of 15).
>On Nov 18 2009 12:08 AM, Pepe Papon wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 18:27:59 -0800, "Irish Mike"
>> <ad7...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> >Well Vic, assuming what you say about your military service is true, I
>> >sincerely apologize for calling you a name and for questioning your
>> >courage. I was wrong when I did that. You have indeed earned the right
>> >to express your liberal political views regardless of how misguided they
>> >may be.
>>
>> Are you suggesting that only veterans have earned the right to express
>> their opinions? Is that the kind of "freedom" you fought for?
>> --
>> ~ Seth Jackson
>
>
>
>
>SORRY FOR YOU PEPE.... CAR BOMB MIKE IS PRETENDING TO HAVE YOU KILL FILED.
>
No, he isn't. Not anymore.
You're right:
Class IQ
Profound mental retardation Below 20
Severe mental retardation 20�34
Moderate mental retardation 35�49
Mild mental retardation 50�69
Borderline intellectual functioning 70�80
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental_retardation#IQ_below_70
Jesus. Maybe she does have an IQ of 83. Still leaves open the question of
authenticity, however. I wouldn't trust any information that came from
pickle.
On the other hand, this will keep me busy for a while classifying the
different contributors to RGP.
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> On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 18:27:59 -0800, "Irish Mike"
> <ad7...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>
> >Well Vic, assuming what you say about your military service is true, I
> >sincerely apologize for calling you a name and for questioning your
> >courage. I was wrong when I did that. You have indeed earned the right
> >to express your liberal political views regardless of how misguided they
> >may be.
>
> Are you suggesting that only veterans have earned the right to express
> their opinions? Is that the kind of "freedom" you fought for?
That's what he said. It's part of the GI Bill.
-------�
In America that's supposed to be a brithright, not a right granted to you
by virtue of service to the government.
I guess things are different in Ireland.
________________________________________________________________________�
The Parrot brayed:
Leave it to Travel to swoon when the political equivalent of Carrie
Prejan skips out of her duties as governor to score a million dollar
payday. That's the kind of principle we need � nay, demand!
� in the White House.
Upset? Hardly. In fact, I'm laughing my ass off!
I wrote:
Leaving Alaska was the right move by Sarah Palin. It was a wise
decision. "Skips out on her duties", lol, uh, the the Lt Governor took
over the duties, that's how it works.
Your concern for the welll being of Alaska without Sarah's
administrative talents is heart warming though, (chortle).
No, Chrissy, it looks like you have a bad case of FLS Syndrome, yep,
yep.
>>> Sarah Palin writes a book that nets her millions and is
>>> a number one best seller before it even hits the mass market.
>>> Needless to say this has the left wing loons frothing at
>>> the mouth and snapping their jaws in a maniacal frenzy.
>>> The continued persecution of Sarah Palin and her family
>>> has become an obsession for these dim witted cowards.
>> The point you obviously miss it that the people are purchasing the
>> book; not for the content - being it's unknown - but BECAUSE it's
>> from her. Best Seller is that, only. You don't win an Academy
>> Award � because people think the movie MIGHT be good.
> No, you win the Nobel Peace Prize.
Wrong again, Mike. You must earn the nomination.
Jerry 'n Vegas
- Sex is natural... unless you do it "right!"
Are you counting on the IQ number as an example of leadership? I have no
idea what my IQ number is, but when the government tested me I was offered a
free education and military commission. So I considered my self smart enough
to possibly have an IQ in triple digits. Yet I was a boozer and a bum and
didn't necessarily make good decisions (including turning them down and
being a screw-off).
I high IQ would be evidence you have the ability to do long divisions; not
run a government correctly.
Jerry 'n Vegas
- Your only *true* erogenous zone is between your ears.
> On Nov 17 2009 1:40 PM, Travel A wrote:
>
> > Oh, have I mentioned that Sarah's rich now?
>
> Rich, but still dumb. It's a problem money can't cure.
Well thank God Sarah Palin was not elected VP. We might have had the
biggest deficits in our history, 10.2% unemployment and she might have
jammed through the biggest pork barrel spending bill in our history with
out even reading it. We might have government preparing to jam a
$multi-trillion dollar health care bill down our throats that will
increase the cost of health care by hundreds of billions, raise taxes and
insurance premiums on the middle class and punish seniors by cutting
hundreds of billions of dollars our of Medicare and Medicaid.
She might also be trying to jam through a job-killing, cost increasing
idiotic tax & tax energy bill. Oh yeah, and we might have lost the
respect of our allies and be stuck for weeks trying to decide the best
political move in Afghanistan while ignoring the request of our
hand-picked general for more troops. Yeah, thank God we avoided that
horrible mess.
Irish Mike
"President Obama has decided to send 40,000 additional troops to fight in
the war against Fox News.
Recession: When your neighbor loses his job.
Depression: When you lose your job.
Recovery: When Obama loses his job.
________________________________________________________________________�
Well thank God Sarah Palin was not elected VP. We might have had the
biggest deficits in our history, 10.2% unemployment and she might have
jammed through the biggest pork barrel spending bill in our history with
out even reading it. We might have government preparing to jam a
$multi-trillion dollar health care bill down our throats that will
increase the cost of health care by hundreds of billions, raise taxes and
insurance premiums on the middle class and punish seniors by cutting
hundreds of billions of dollars our of Medicare and Medicaid.
She might also be trying to jam through a job-killing, cost increasing
idiotic tax & tax energy bill. Oh yeah, and we might have lost the
respect of our allies and be stuck for weeks trying to decide the best
political move in Afghanistan while ignoring the request of our
hand-picked general for more troops. Yeah, thank God we avoided that
horrible mess.
Irish Mike
"President Obama has decided to send 40,000 additional troops to fight in
the war against Fox News.
Recession: When your neighbor loses his job.
Depression: When you lose your job.
Recovery: When Obama loses his job.
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> "Dude777" <dud...@dude.mail.com> wrote in message
> news:hdu2ov$28a$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> > James L. Hankins wrote:
> >
> >> But still, a score of 86 indicates that she is fatally stupid.
> >
> > And so are you if you believe this header.
>
> Seemed a little high to me too.
Well thank God Sarah Palin was not elected VP. We might have had the
biggest deficits in our history, 10.2% unemployment and she might have
jammed through the biggest pork barrel spending bill in our history with
out even reading it. We might have government preparing to jam a
$multi-trillion dollar health care bill down our throats that will
increase the cost of health care by hundreds of billions, raise taxes and
insurance premiums on the middle class and punish seniors by cutting
hundreds of billions of dollars our of Medicare and Medicaid.
She might also be trying to jam through a job-killing, cost increasing
idiotic tax & tax energy bill. Oh yeah, and we might have lost the
respect of our allies and be stuck for weeks trying to decide the best
political move in Afghanistan while ignoring the request of our
hand-picked general for more troops. Yeah, thank God we avoided that
horrible mess.
Irish Mike
"President Obama has decided to send 40,000 additional troops to fight in
the war against Fox News.
Recession: When your neighbor loses his job.
Depression: When you lose your job.
Recovery: When Obama loses his job.
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But you made this point by referencing the systematic biases in IQ that
are based on S.E.S., or race, or nationality, or age, or whatever the fuck
you were saying they were based on. However in every case the biases you
mentioned should work in Sarah Palin's favor. That is, if we considered
her IQ only compared to her SES cohort - well off white chicks - she would
actually be even farther below the mean. You may have actually
strengthened the point you were attempting to refute. Just sayin'.
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>
> But you made this point by referencing the systematic biases in IQ that
> are based on S.E.S., or race, or nationality, or age, or whatever the fuck
> you were saying they were based on. However in every case the biases you
> mentioned should work in Sarah Palin's favor. That is, if we considered
> her IQ only compared to her SES cohort - well off white chicks - she would
> actually be even farther below the mean. You may have actually
> strengthened the point you were attempting to refute. Just sayin'.
>
Chill out.
There are group differences in IQ, whatever the reasons. Crying "racist"
at this fact is just politically-correct nonsense. Of course, racists
make use of numbers, but that doesn't mean that everyone who recognizes
differences in test scores is a racist.
In the case under discussion, it doesn't matter if her IQ is compared to
her narrow demographic - middle-class white chick who grew up and lives
in Alaska. The fact remains that her IQ of 86 is the (approx) mean for
African-Americans. If she is too stupid to be VP on the basis of her IQ
alone, then so are half of all AA's. I find that difficult to believe.
When did I say it did? I pointed out that there is a lot of evidence of
the impact of SES on IQ, and improved education (Flynn etc), and race of
course is all tied up with these issues. But using your line to negate
the meaningfulness of a low score by a white woman is rather
counterintuitive, don't you think? (I'm the same guy as above, btw, in
case you didn't know that .. just depends if I'm at home where my
newsreader is or on a public computer)
> In the case under discussion, it doesn't matter if her IQ is compared to
> her narrow demographic - middle-class white chick who grew up and lives
> in Alaska. The fact remains that her IQ of 86 is the (approx) mean for
> African-Americans. If she is too stupid to be VP on the basis of her IQ
> alone, then so are half of all AA's. I find that difficult to believe.
>
Well, personally, I'd like my Presidents and Vice-Presidents to be well
above the mean when it comes to measures of intelligence. Difficult to
believe, I know. And the common perception of dear Sarah as being
not-so-bright runs a lot deeper than this questionable report of her IQ.
> When did I say it did? I pointed out that there is a lot of evidence of
> the impact of SES on IQ, and improved education (Flynn etc), and race of
> course is all tied up with these issues. But using your line to negate
> the meaningfulness of a low score by a white woman is rather
> counterintuitive, don't you think? (I'm the same guy as above, btw, in
> case you didn't know that .. just depends if I'm at home where my
> newsreader is or on a public computer)
No I did not know that you are the same person. I don't follow RGP
religiously, but my impression (obviously mistaken) was that Ruy is a
smart guy in some grad studies program(?) but John is some shrill kid
with a chip on his shoulder.
I don't follow your last argument. Assume that Palin does have an IQ of
86, which is 1 SD less than the American norm. If she were black, then
her IQ would be average. If she were an Askanazi jewish woman, then she
would be -1.8 SD or so - i.e., close to being retarded.
Again, if an IQ of 86 is "fatally stupid" for a VP, then half of African
Americans would be disqualified. I just don't think that the latter is
the case (no evidence, just my belief). I would much rather not have
Palin as the VP, but she can probably do a credible job.
>
> Well, personally, I'd like my Presidents and Vice-Presidents to be well
> above the mean when it comes to measures of intelligence.
OK. What are the relevant measures of intelligence? If you want to use
IQ, then your pool of candidates will be disproportionately white and
Asian.
Difficult to
> believe, I know. And the common perception of dear Sarah as being
> not-so-bright runs a lot deeper than this questionable report of her IQ.
My original response was directed at the assumption that IQ=86 is too
low to be VP.
Well it's the same guy. I am in some program like you suggest. You can
go with either impression you prefer. I don't see you around much here
and since I replied to you with the other nick I just thought I should
fill you in. It is interesting to me how people perceive the two nicks
so differently when I am always the same person and make no conscious
attempt to post differently when using one or the other.
> I don't follow your last argument. Assume that Palin does have an IQ of
> 86, which is 1 SD less than the American norm. If she were black, then
> her IQ would be average. If she were an Askanazi jewish woman, then she
> would be -1.8 SD or so - i.e., close to being retarded.
>
Well, my assumption is that there is no innate, in born difference in IQ
ability between whites and blacks. An assumption, sure, but I can back
it up with the sorts of things that I have mentioned - pointing out that
IQ is highly correlated with socio-economic status, pointing out that IQ
is flexible and that the gap has changed as the SES gap has changed,
etc. Considering this, then, if we are out to assess Sarah Palin's
innate intellectual ability, we should probably only compare her to her
cohort in terms of S.E.S., to correct for the discrepancies you have
brought up. In that case, we would find her even farther below the mean
than the 83 would suggest. The point being that pointing out how SES
can affect IQ does not help the case that Sarah is not innately slow.
Now, it's just an argument. For one thing, the IQ data being discussed
here is long since discredited. I just don't think your argument makes
sense. In general you are right, IQ measures much more than innate
ability, and isn't the best measure. You constantly focus on race,
however, which is just one factor which affects IQ, and which is clearly
the most charged. The implication when you constantly focus on race as
the only notable predictor of score is that you believe there is some
innate difference there. I disagree and I encourage you to look at the
research. I think the very first posts I made under this nick dealt
directly with this subject, and you are encouraged to search for them if
you are curious. I gave quite a few relevant cites. This subject is
not "unspeakable" as you suggest, it is well known and well discussed in
the literature and also here. But it is a total digression. The fact
is this Sarah Heath IQ score is just not credible at all.
> Again, if an IQ of 86 is "fatally stupid" for a VP, then half of African
> Americans would be disqualified. I just don't think that the latter is
> the case (no evidence, just my belief). I would much rather not have
> Palin as the VP, but she can probably do a credible job.
>
I don't think average or sub average performance on an IQ test makes you
"fatally stupid". I don't even know what "fatally stupid" is. But I
think the President, or anyone who is next in line to be President,
should be well above such levels. I doubt Sarah Palin has much more
than an average IQ, but I don't really know. I don't think she would do
a "credible" job at being President, if it came to that, but she
wouldn't be the first.
>>
>> Well, personally, I'd like my Presidents and Vice-Presidents to be well
>> above the mean when it comes to measures of intelligence.
>
> OK. What are the relevant measures of intelligence? If you want to use
> IQ, then your pool of candidates will be disproportionately white and
> Asian.
>
Fine. They will also be disproportionately from high income families,
disproportionately from private schools, disproportionately from
families that value education highly, disproportionately from stable and
loving parents, disproportionately holding advanced degrees, etc. etc.
etc. Race in America is a very complex issue and there is really no
reason to be injecting it here when IQ scores depend very much as well
on all the other things I just mentioned - all of which can be predicted
to one degree or another in America by race. That says a lot more about
America than it does about the races in question, if you ask me.
Strictly speaking, there is no such thing as "race", in terms of
biology. It is a cultural, social phenomenon, and is subject to change
and redefinition.
> Difficult to
>> believe, I know. And the common perception of dear Sarah as being
>> not-so-bright runs a lot deeper than this questionable report of her IQ.
>
> My original response was directed at the assumption that IQ=86 is too
> low to be VP.
>
And, in my opinion, it is. But sooner or later they'll probably offer
us an entire slate of morons from both parties and we'll have no choice
but to elect one of them.
>On Nov 18 2009 2:08 AM, Pepe Papon wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 18:27:59 -0800, "Irish Mike"
>> <ad7...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> >Well Vic, assuming what you say about your military service is true, I
>> >sincerely apologize for calling you a name and for questioning your
>> >courage. I was wrong when I did that. You have indeed earned the right
>> >to express your liberal political views regardless of how misguided they
>> >may be.
>>
>> Are you suggesting that only veterans have earned the right to express
>> their opinions? Is that the kind of "freedom" you fought for?
>
>That's what he said. It's part of the GI Bill.
Dang! Am I too old to enlist?
> Strictly speaking, there is no such thing as "race", in terms of biology.
> It is a cultural, social phenomenon, and is subject to change and
> redefinition.
Thank you ruy ... I have been trying to get "someone" to admit that there is
no such thing as "race" and yet we have many here that demand that their
personal opinion on any issue of "race" is the general consensus and is
absolute fact. Good to know that I have an educated person in my camp.
Strictly speaking, of course.
Jerry'n Vegas
- He's so conservative his plane doesn't have a left wing.
"Jerry Sturdivant" <jer...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:1KeNm.45191$Wf2....@newsfe23.iad...
> "Alaska and Michigan have so much in common: The Hunting and the
> fishing and
> the hockey mom."
> - Sarah
There are some strong similarities between Northern Michigan and
Alaska.
This is the second time I have stuck up for Palin. The first time it
turned out I was was wrong (<sigh> she really *didn't* know what the
vice-president does). I hope I don't get shot down on this one too.
Funny thing though, neither did Biden
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,433314,00.html
> There are some strong similarities between
> Northern Michigan and Alaska.
And Washington and Oregon and California and Nevada ...
- Collect the whole set -
Jerry (looking for ones that don't) 'n Vegas
- Conservatives hold half-truths to be self evident.
> Are you counting on the IQ number as an example of leadership? I have no
> idea what my IQ number is, but when the government tested me I was offered a
> free education and military commission. So I considered my self smart enough
> to possibly have an IQ in triple digits. Yet I was a boozer and a bum and
> didn't necessarily make good decisions (including turning them down and
> being a screw-off).
>
> I high IQ would be evidence you have the ability to do long divisions; not
> run a government correctly.
obv...look at the buffoon currently in the oval office?
>
>
> Jerry 'n Vegas
>
> - Your only *true* erogenous zone is between your ears.
Brew
--
Hatred is purity...weakness is disease!
FEAR - Foreign Policy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOCcbKAhlY0
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Can you explain to me this, please...
People of different skin color also have largely different
muscular-skeletal structure. For example, people of African descent have
longer heels, denser muscles, etc, enabling them to run faster over
shorter distances, be not as buoyant (and hence not as good swimmers) etc.
Is it inconceivable, then, that the brains of groups of different descent
will not be the same? Perhaps evolution changed people's bodies in
different ways based on the area in which they lived and what they needed
to get by (darker skin for those closer to the equator, for example). So
why did evolution not touch the brain?
Brew
--
Hatred is purity...weakness is disease!
FEAR - Foreign Policy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOCcbKAhlY0
----�
Kind of like breeds of dog. Same species, different characteristics.
> On Nov 20, 9:12�am, "brewmaster" <a1...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> > On Nov 19 2009 6:22 AM, da pickle wrote:
> >
> > > "John the Savage"
> >
> > > > Strictly speaking, there is no such thing as "race", in terms of
biology.
> > > > It is a cultural, social phenomenon, and is subject to change and
> > > > redefinition.
> >
> > > Thank you ruy ... I have been trying to get "someone" to admit that
there is
> > > no such thing as "race" and yet we have many here that demand that their
> > > personal opinion on any issue of "race" is the general consensus and is
> > > absolute fact. �Good to know that I have an educated person in my camp.
> > > Strictly speaking, of course.
> >
> > Can you explain to me this, please...
> >
> > People of different skin color also have largely different
> > muscular-skeletal structure. �For example, people of African descent have
> > longer heels, denser muscles, etc, enabling them to run faster over
> > shorter distances, be not as buoyant (and hence not as good swimmers) etc..
> > �Is it inconceivable, then, that the brains of groups of different descent
> > will not be the same? �Perhaps evolution changed people's bodies in
> > different ways based on the area in which they lived and what they needed
> > to get by (darker skin for those closer to the equator, for example). �So
> > why did evolution not touch the brain?
> >
> > Brew
> > --
> > Hatred is purity...weakness is disease!
> > FEAR - Foreign Policyhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOCcbKAhlY0
> >
> Kind of like breeds of dog. Same species, different characteristics.
Some dog breeds are a hell of a lot smarter than other breeds.
Brew
--
Hatred is purity...weakness is disease!
FEAR - Foreign Policy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOCcbKAhlY0
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That is certainly true. I have Great Danes and a Labrador.
>> Are you counting on the IQ number as an example of leadership?
>> I have no idea what my IQ number is, but when the government
>> tested me I was offered a free education and military commission.
>> So I considered my self smart enough to possibly have an IQ in
>> triple digits. Yet I was a boozer and a bum and didn't necessarily
>> make good decisions (including turning them down and being a
>> screw-off).
>>
>> I high IQ would be evidence you have the ability to do long division;
>> not run a government correctly.
> obv...look at the buffoon currently in the oval office?
What do you think it takes to graduate from Harvard with a law degree and
pass the bar?
Jerry (who sits in bars) 'n Vegas
- Two's company and three's the result.
>>> People of different skin color also have largely different
>>> muscular-skeletal structure. For example, people of African descent have
>>> longer heels, denser muscles, etc, enabling them to run faster over
>>> shorter distances, be not as buoyant (and hence not as good swimmers)
>>> etc..
>>> Is it inconceivable, then, that the brains of groups of different
>>> descent
>>> will not be the same? Perhaps evolution changed people's bodies in
>>> different ways based on the area in which they lived and what they
>>> needed
>>> to get by (darker skin for those closer to the equator, for example). So
>>> why did evolution not touch the brain?
>> Kind of like breeds of dog. Same species, different characteristics.
> Some dog breeds are a hell of a lot smarter than other breeds.
So what's the definition of, "smart?"
If one race is smart in one respect and not in another; does that preclude
them from learning? Does it mean what they learn will be used differently?
Jerry (just asking) 'n Vegas
- The Constitution is not a technicality.
has anybody seen jerry's play-doh?
mo_charles
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>>> Some dog breeds are a hell of a lot smarter than other breeds.
>> So what's the definition of, "smart?"
>>
>> If one race is smart in one respect and not in another; does that
>> preclude
>> them from learning? Does it mean what they learn will be used
>> differently?
> has anybody seen jerry's play-doh?
If you're embarrassed at being unable to answer a question, you can just not
answer; rather than show it.
Jerry 'n Vegas
- I kinda lean toward geocentric myself, sorta balances the flat earth!
People have been trying to figger that one out for a long time, now.
Here's the best answer I've heard so far.
"The Vice President's chief job is to wake up in the morning and
inquire about the health of the President."
> So what's the definition of, "smart?"
>
> If one race is smart in one respect and not in another; does that preclude
> them from learning? Does it mean what they learn will be used differently?
>
Just replace "race" with "individual" in your inquiry, and think about
it a bit.
Law is easy. It just takes perseverance. I know a bunch of Harvard law
grads. Bunch of retards all.
>
>
> Jerry (who sits in bars) 'n Vegas
>
> - Two's company and three's the result.
Brew
--
Hatred is purity...weakness is disease!
FEAR - Foreign Policy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOCcbKAhlY0
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Probably about as much as it takes to earn an MBA from Harvard and
qulaify as a fighter pilot.
"brewmaster" <a1...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
news:n6ojt6x...@recgroups.com...
> Law is easy. It just takes perseverance. I know a bunch of Harvard
> law
> grads. Bunch of retards all.
LOL...ya, it takes a real "retard" to score in the 99th percentile on
the LSAT and have a 3.9 GPA (and that's just to get in the door). They
aren't smart like *you*, right?
You are so clueless I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
1) MBAs don't have to pass an exam in order to practice business.
2) Obama graduated in the top 10% of his class and was editor of the
Harvard Law Review. The fighter pilot was a mediocre student at
best.
A lot of people have said he's so bright, but nothing he's done so
far has provided any evidence. Maybe he's book smart? I guess you
couldn't expect much more from a campus liberal/"community activist".
You can't really be that stupid.
Jim
> Mark Stringer wrote:
>>
>> Even if it was 26, there is no way she would have been as bad for
>> the economy as BOzo. He's making W look like a financial mastermind.
>
> You can't really be that stupid.
Give me examples of the smart things BOzo has done for the economic
recovery. The major decisions he's made or wanted to make appear to be
in direct opposition of that goal.
If you can't come up with anything, please post an insult. Oh, you
already did that, never mind.
> Clave wrote:
> > Mark Stringer wrote:
Obama's major effort to get the economy out of the ditch, the $800
billion stimulus package, is only now starting to take effect. Most
of the money will not even be spent until next year.
It isn't necessary to defend Obama's economic policies, because the
recession is over. Maybe you missed the fact that GDP increased at an
annual rate of 3.5% in the third quarter. Maybe you missed the fact
that the stock market, one of the most reliable leading economic
indicators has been a roaring bull market for the last six months.
Actual results are what matter. While the economic turnaround cannot
be attributed solely or even mainly to Obama's economic policies, the
fact that we are out of recession and in a period of economic growth
makes any criticism of Obama's policies as ineffective pretty fucking
absurd.
William Coleman (ramashiva)
Don't bet on the recession being over just yet. I would not be
surprised at all for a BIG double dip. The economic fundamentals are
still incredibly shaky.
I don't know who you're talking about.
Jim
That's always pretty clear there Jim.
Yellow streak out!
> Don't bet on the recession being over just yet.
I am betting on it. When gold first hit $1000/ounce, around September
18 I think, I sold all my holdings of gold mining stocks and invested
in blue chip stocks, betting on a large stock market rally this fall
and winter. Of course, I regret getting out of gold mining stocks,
but hindsight is always 20/20.
> I would not be surprised at all for a BIG double dip.
I would be incredibly surprised, as would most of the economists and
financial experts I see interviewed on CNBC.
> The economic fundamentals are still incredibly shaky.
Sorry, I just don't see that. Inventories are way down. Productivity
is way up. The savings rate is way up. There is a large pool of
unemployed labor, so if the economy really takes off, additional
workers can be hired without creating wage inflation.
It seems to me that you are looking at the economy the way it was
eight months ago, not current reality.
William Coleman (ramashiva)