Alan C. Lawhon
Huntsville, Alabama
Alan, why don't you go join a political NG and stop posting all this
off topic crap?
Best,
Peter
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> Alan, why don't you go join a political NG and stop posting all this
> off topic crap?
It has OT in the subject line. Easy to filter, if that is your preference.
It is also a very short post.
The article is actually pretty informative. It is perhaps more interesting
than the recent spate of BAHHs (most of which are quite lengthy) that could
be considered the ultimate "on topic" sort of post you might find even less
exciting than a tiny url link.
Do you receive the BARGE list postings individually or in digest form?
And Merry Christmas, I hope everyone is happy and healthy at your home.
Sorry, Peter. As you are, Alan is one of the few people here who have all
their marbles.
RazzO
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Mr. da pickle:
At the risk of sounding totally clueless and uninformed, what does
"BARGE" stand for?
At the risk of sounding totally clueless and uninformed, what does
"BARGE" stand for?
Alan C. Lawhon
Huntsville, Alabama
=================================
http://www.barge.org/
BARGE
This is the home of BARGE, the Big August Rec.Gambling Excursion. BARGE is
an annual event that takes place is Las Vegas, NV, typically during the week
leading up to the first Saturday in August.
In the early to mid-90s, BARGE was an association of Internet-connected
gambling enthusiasts. These days, just about everyone is Internet-connected,
so that part marks the group as less unique, but it was an atypical
combination back when BARGE got its start.
----------------------------------------------------------------
Before there was rec.gambling.poker ... there was rec.gambling.
Poker now dominates BARGE, but there are still other gambling fun available
for those that get tired of just poker. Peter is a great guy and quite a
senior barger. He knows more about BARGE than almost anyone. It is a great
group and it is a load of fun. It has grown quite large now, but new
visitors (virgins) are welcome and there are now many more new bargers than
old.
Actually, many of us old guys are newbees ourselves. Try to make it out to
BARGE 2010. Sign up for the BARGE mailing list (I suggest digest form) and
you will meet some folks that you know and many that you do not. Even
arguments that get heated are still among friends.
There are other ARG events during the year. Very close to you, there is
MARGE. Usually at the Beau Rivage, it is a small gathering, but it is a
great one. You might really enjoy it.
http://www.conjelco.com/marge.html
Usually at the end of April or the beginning of May. Dianne and I will be
there. Peter is usually there. Others that you may know from here are
there. A nice group.
I think you would have a good time at MARGE and a great time at BARGE.
Good article but it fails to capture the true depth of the anger of the
American people against Obama and his irresponsible spending policies.
Not to mention that he has broken his fundamental campaign promise to
change Washington "politics as usual". To ban ear-mark spending and to
run an open, inclusive and transparent administration.
Well, Obama all credibility he jammed through the partisan health care
bill, which is full of ear-marks, special interest group pay-offs and
bribes, kick-backs and sweetheart deals to buy the 60 Democrat votes in
the Senate.
Democrats like to look down their noses and ridicule the tens of thousands
of American people who turned out at the Taxed Enough Already (TEA)
anti-spending and anti-taxing protest rallies at town hall meetings all
across the country. But the truth is, these are every day working class
people - moderates, independents and conservatives. And they are the
people the Democrats are terrified of in the 2010 mid term elections.
It you want to see just how far Obama has gone away from the promises he
made on the campaign trail, go on You Tube and look up "Obama, 7 lies in
under two minutes." It will stun you.
Irish Mike
Obama: "I will not sign any health care bill that adds even a single dime
to the deficit."
CBO: "Mr. President, we have scored the latest version of your health care
bill and have determined that it will add at least $170 billion dollars
to the deficit."
Obama: "Well dollars are OK. I never said any thing about dollars. Just
make sure the bill doesn't include any dimes."
> "lawh...@HiWAAY.net" <lawh...@HiWAAY.net> wrote:
>
> >I imagine President Obama and his crew will [not] enjoy reading this:
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/yjsfnf5
> >
> >Alan C. Lawhon
> >Huntsville, Alabama
>
> Alan, why don't you go join a political NG and stop posting all this
> off topic crap?
>
> Best,
>
> Peter
LOL! When was the last time you logged on to RGP?
> I imagine President Obama and his crew will [not] enjoy reading this:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/yjsfnf5
>
Quit reading right after this: "Either we plot a more moderate, centrist
course"
What could possibly be more "moderate and centrist" than the totally
gutted health care bill they just passed? The other option was doing
absolutely nothing - the Republicans idea of "compromise".
Opie-GManager
Rec.Gambling.Poker
Assistant Newsgroup Coordinator reporting to Mr. Popinjay
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>
> Alan, why don't you go join a political NG and stop posting all this
> off topic crap?
>
> Best,
>
> Peter
> --
Yeah, you tell him, Peter!
Best,
Paul Popinjay
Doing nothing is worse that this?
SEN. DICK DURBIN (D-IL): "I Would Say To The Senator From Arizona, That I'm
In The Dark Almost As Much As He Is. And I'm In The Leadership." (Sen. Dick
Durbin, Floor Remarks, 12/11/09)
SEN. CHUCK SCHUMER (D-NY): "I Can't Say What There Is, Because We're Not
Allowed To Talk About What's Submitted To CBO." ("Wary Senators Await CBO
Report," CQ, 12/13/09)
SEN. BILL NELSON (D-FL): "I Don't Know What The Deal Is." ("Senate
Democrats Largely Support Health-Care Deal That Drops Public Option," The
Washington Post, 12/10/09)
SEN. MARY LANDRIEU (D-LA): "There's No Specific Compromise. There Were
Discussions. . Until The Package That Was Sent Is Scored, We Really Don't
Even Know What's In It." ("Confusion Over 'Deal' Continues," Roll Call,
12/10/09)
SEN. BOB CASEY (D-PA): "Any Big Agreement Is Progress . Even If We Do Not
Know Any Of The Details." ("Senate Democrats See Room For Hope On Health
Care Bill," The New York Times, 12/10/09)
SEN. DIANNE FEINSTEIN (D-CA): "There Was No Explanation. It Was Sort Of Go
Team, Go." ("Senate Democrats See Room For Hope On Health Care Bill," The
New York Times, 12/10/09)
SEN. BEN NELSON (D-NE): "General Concepts, But Nothing Very Specific At
All." ("Senate Democrats See Room For Hope On Health Care Bill," The New
York Times, 12/10/09)
>
> > Quit reading right after this: "Either we plot a more moderate, centrist
> > course"
> >
> > What could possibly be more "moderate and centrist" than the totally
> > gutted health care bill they just passed? The other option was doing
> > absolutely nothing - the Republicans idea of "compromise".
> Doing nothing is worse that this?
Did I say that Susan?
Opie-GManager
Rec.Gambling.Poker
Assistant Newsgroup Coordinator reporting to Mr. Popinjay
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What you did say, exactly, is
"The other option was doing absolutely nothing - the Republicans idea of
compromise".
which I *apparently* took as a slam at Republicans.
If you want to see just how badly Obama has broken his campaign promises
go on You Tube and look at "Obama 7 lies in under 2 minutes". When you
see this you really have to wonder how any thinking person can still
support Obama or have any confidence in any thing he says.
Irish Mike
Obama: "I will not sign any health care bill that adds even a single dime
to the deficit."
CBO: "Mr. President, we have scored the latest version of your health care
bill and have determined that it will add at least $170 billion dollars
to the deficit."
Obama: "Well dollars are OK. I never said any thing about dollars. Just
make sure the bill doesn't include any dimes."
----�
> If you want to see just how badly Obama has broken his campaign promises
> go on You Tube and look at "Obama 7 lies in under 2 minutes". When you
> see this you really have to wonder how any thinking person can still
> support Obama or have any confidence in any thing he says.
>
> Irish Mike
It is amazing how we who differ with his policies are racists.
How can anyone who voted for him still support him? They obviously didn't
vote because of his policies, or his promises, so why did they?
Just maybe the racist term is misdirected.
> It is amazing how we who differ with his policies are racists.
No one accused you of racism because you don't like his policies. The "he
is a secret Kenyan" attacks ARE racist (I don't recall you pimping them),
and many seem to have trouble understanding they are NOT policy disputes.
Opie-GManager
Rec.Gambling.Poker
Assistant Newsgroup Coordinator reporting to Mr. Popinjay
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What is he doing that you thought he would when you voted for him? Is he
living up to your expectations?
I have never said he is a secret Kenyan. I don't think Mike has either, but
won't argue if he has. I have been called a racist by at least 5 people
here.
Ask slim.....
> What is he doing that you thought he would when you voted for him? Is he
> living up to your expectations?
Not thus far. I'm hoping things get better.
Opie-GManager
Rec.Gambling.Poker
Assistant Newsgroup Coordinator reporting to Mr. Popinjay
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> On Dec 27 2009 4:55 PM, susan wrote:
>
> > It is amazing how we who differ with his policies are racists.
>
> No one accused you of racism because you don't like his policies. The "he
> is a secret Kenyan" attacks ARE racist (I don't recall you pimping them),
> and many seem to have trouble understanding they are NOT policy disputes.
>
> Opie-GManager
> Rec.Gambling.Poker
> Assistant Newsgroup Coordinator reporting to Mr. Popinjay
When the Democrats bashed President Bush for eight straight years they
said, "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism". But when any one dares
to express dissent against Obama's policies they are racists.
Irish Mike
Obama: "I will not sign any health care bill that adds even a single dime
to the deficit."
CBO: "Mr. President, we have scored the latest version of your health care
bill and have determined that it will add at least $170 billion dollars
to the deficit."
Obama: "Well dollars are OK. I never said any thing about dollars. Just
make sure the bill doesn't include any dimes."
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I have never said Obama was a Kenyan. I did say he is a far left wing
liberal who has implemented disastrous spending policies and that he has
blatantly, and repeatedly, broken his campaign promises. I have been
attacked and called a racist by at least 5 people here.
Irish Mike
"The problem with socialism is that, sooner or later, you run out of other
people's money."
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> What could possibly be more "moderate and centrist" than the totally
> gutted health care bill they just passed?
And in that single sentence, you've easily illustrated how obviously
absurd this entire argument is. Glad to have you back, O-PG.
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> On Dec 27 2009 11:44 AM, O-PGManager wrote:
>
> > What could possibly be more "moderate and centrist" than the totally
> > gutted health care bill they just passed?
>
> And in that single sentence, you've easily illustrated how obviously
> absurd this entire argument is. Glad to have you back, O-PG.
This is a total partisan bill jammed down the throats of the American
people, that:
Violates the Constitution.
Creates 70 new bureaucratic agencies, panels and entities.
Raises taxes by $518 billion dollars.
Cuts Medicare by $450 billion dollars
Is riddled with pork barrel ear-marks.
Adds $2.5 trillion dollars to the deficit
Breaks Obama's promise not to sign any health care bill that will increase
the deficit
Does not guarantee that tax payer money will not be used to fund abortions.
Does nothing to lower the cost of health care.
Contains no tort reform to reduce frivolous lawsuits and expensive
defensive medicine
Obama and Reid spent $ tens of billions of dollars in bribes, kick-backs,
pay offs and sweetheart deals to buy the 60 Democrat votes in the Senate
This health care bill is opposed by nearly 2/3s of Americans and is
nothing more than another massive unfunded entitlement program and a huge
expansion of the size and scope of the federal government. It will
penalize businesses. kill existing jobs and discourage future job creation.
BTW, if you think the Senate version of this bill is going to go back to
Congress for any kind of "conference committee" changes, you're dreaming.
Obama and Reid know the House version of the bill will never pass the
Senate. Pelosi will look over the bill, make a speech and then send it
straight back to the Senate with no substantive changes. The Democrats in
the Senate, who have already been bought and paid for, are going to rubber
stamp it and Obama is going to sign it.
So much for all of Obama's "change" and "transparency" propaganda. This
bill is the very worst of the old "business as usual" politics in
Washington.
Irish Mike
"The problem with socialism is that, sooner or later, you run out of other
people's money."
------�
Well of course. When considering that you and Opie are dedicated Leninists,
a settling for Trotskyism appears tame by comparison. And I'm not joking.
You're both some very sick individuals. Someone did a real number on you
during your younger years.
I'm not going to confirm your numbers, but the senate bill is indeed
unpopular. The ironic part is that the most popular aspects - the public
option and the medicare buyin, were gutted by the "moderate and centrist"
democrats.
Opie-GManager
Rec.Gambling.Poker
Assistant Newsgroup Coordinator reporting to Mr. Popinjay
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> "Irish Mike"
>
> > If you want to see just how badly Obama has broken his campaign promises
> > go on You Tube and look at "Obama 7 lies in under 2 minutes". When you
> > see this you really have to wonder how any thinking person can still
> > support Obama or have any confidence in any thing he says.
> >
> > Irish Mike
>
> It is amazing how we who differ with his policies are racists.
>
> How can anyone who voted for him still support him?
You don't know much about human nature, do you?
You might want to read an intro to social psychology textbook. It might
even help you understand why idiots are willing to work for you even
though they are required to provide most of the capitol to operate your
business.
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Actually, the Democrats only bashed Bush from January 2001 through
September 2001, then some of them started bashing him again in 2004...
but not too harshly, after all there was a war on.
- Bob T.
> On Dec 28 2009 3:09 AM, Irish Mike wrote:
>
> > This health care bill is opposed by nearly 2/3s of Americans and is
> > nothing more than another massive unfunded entitlement program and a huge
> > expansion of the size and scope of the federal government.
>
>
> I'm not going to confirm your numbers, but the senate bill is indeed
> unpopular. The ironic part is that the most popular aspects - the public
> option and the medicare buyin, were gutted by the "moderate and centrist"
> democrats.
>
> Opie-GManager
> Rec.Gambling.Poker
> Assistant Newsgroup Coordinator reporting to Mr. Popinjay
Most popular with who? The majority of Americans opposed this bill and
they also opposed the government option. Ask yourself two questions:
Since this 2,500 page bill doesn't go in to effect for four (4) years, why
the frantic rush to
jam it through the Senate with a 1:00 am, Christmas eve vote? Here's a
hint. Obama and Reid know how unpopular this bill is with the American
people. They also knew that if any of these 60 Democrat Senators went
home and had to listen to the wrath and attacks of the people in their
home states, they would very likely waiver and change their votes. That's
also why Obama and Reid had to pay $ tens of billions in bribes to get the
60 Democrat votes they needed.
If this bill will reduce the cost of health care by $130 billion as Obama
claims, why wait (4) years to implement it? Why not implement it in 2010
when we begin to get taxed for it? Here's a hint. The latest scoring by
the CBO shows that the bill with not create any savings at all. In fact,
it will increase the deficit by $170 billion dollars, and that is using
Obama's bogus numbers.
Irish Mike
Obama: "I will not sign any health care bill that adds even a single dime
to the deficit."
CBO: "Mr. President, we have scored the latest version of your health care
bill and have determined that it will add at least $170 billion dollars
to the deficit."
Obama: "Well dollars are OK. I never said any thing about dollars. Just
make sure the bill doesn't include any dimes."
-------�
Indeed, the gays in San Francisco are still waiting for him to repeal
"Don't Ask, Don't Tell".
> I have been attacked and called a racist by at least 5 people here.
I don't think you're a racist, Mike - kind of a fascist, but not a
racist.
- Bob T.
>
> Irish Mike
>
> "The problem with socialism is that, sooner or later, you run out of other
> people's money."
>
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Good morning Susan! How was your Christmas?
> Actually, the Democrats only bashed Bush from January 2001 through
> September 2001, then some of them started bashing him again in 2004...
> but not too harshly, after all there was a war on.
>
Hannity and Limbaugh bashed Clinton for 16 years.
eldo77
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"Irish Mike" <ad7...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
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> On Dec 27 2009 6:16 PM, O-PGManager wrote:
>
>> On Dec 27 2009 4:55 PM, susan wrote:
>>
>> > It is amazing how we who differ with his policies are racists.
>>
>> No one accused you of racism because you don't like his policies. The
>> "he
>> is a secret Kenyan" attacks ARE racist (I don't recall you pimping them),
>> and many seem to have trouble understanding they are NOT policy disputes.
>>
>> Opie-GManager
>> Rec.Gambling.Poker
>> Assistant Newsgroup Coordinator reporting to Mr. Popinjay
>
> When the Democrats bashed President Bush for eight straight years they
> said, "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism".
No, we did not say that. You lied and said we said that.
> But when any one dares
> to express dissent against Obama's policies they are racists.
No, we did not say that. You lied and said we said that.
Jerry 'n Vegas
- I kinda lean toward geocentric myself, sorta balances the flat earth!
"susan" <hotd...@charter.net> wrote in message
news:U5RZm.64767$ZF3....@newsfe13.iad...
>
> "O-PGManager" <ad6...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> news:4v2l07x...@recgroups.com...
>> On Dec 27 2009 4:55 PM, susan wrote:
>>
>>> It is amazing how we who differ with his policies are racists.
>>
>> No one accused you of racism because you don't like his policies. The
>> "he
>> is a secret Kenyan" attacks ARE racist (I don't recall you pimping them),
>> and many seem to have trouble understanding they are NOT policy disputes.
>>
>> Opie-GManager
>> Rec.Gambling.Poker
>> Assistant Newsgroup Coordinator reporting to Mr. Popinjay
>
> What is he doing that you thought he would when you voted for him?
Well, I didn't vote for him, but I preferred him over, "The economy is
strong," McCain, and his sidekick, "I've read everything."
He said he'd bring change and he has. He said he'd try fixing healthcare,
and he doing it. He said he'd try saving us from a depression and he has. He
said he'd pull us out of a recession and he doing that. Actually, he's doing
a lot. What part of what he's doing, don't you like?
Jerry 'n Vegas
- Want my gun? Make my day.
> Most popular with who? The majority of Americans opposed this bill and
> they also opposed the government option. Ask yourself two questions:
No Mike you are wrong as usual. Rather obnoxiously since you never back
up your statements with any references, and you often don't even cite the
source to some long winded rant you pass of as your own.
63% favor medicare buyin-
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2009/12/16/94631/078
59% favor Public option-
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2009/12/16/94631/078
Yes, these are talkleft links but both polls were conducted by the
traditional media within the last few weeks. The "moderate" democrats
gutted the most popular provisions in the bill.
Opie-GManager
Rec.Gambling.Poker
Assistant Newsgroup Coordinator reporting to Mr. Popinjay
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http://rawstory.com/2009/12/sixty-percent-americans-support-public-option/
>On Dec 28 2009 12:11 PM, Bob T. wrote:
>
>
>> Actually, the Democrats only bashed Bush from January 2001 through
>> September 2001, then some of them started bashing him again in 2004...
>> but not too harshly, after all there was a war on.
>>
>
>Hannity and Limbaugh bashed Clinton for 16 years.
>
>
Personally, I can only claim to about 12 years of Clinton bashing.
I kinda forgot about him after that.
It wasn't until 2004 that I changed drastically.
After a good, long look at the pompous windbag John Kerry, I decided
that Clinton wasn't such a bad guy after all.
I don't think that the Bush bashing will last that long.
He's only been out of office a year now, and the ButBush response is
getting stale.
New Presidents can blame the previous administration for all economic
woes, but soon the new President will have to own it.
Given the way Obama has been bumbling, fumbling and stumbling his way
along, more and more of the Hope and Change people are starting to
decide that Bush wasn't such a bad guy after all.
> Given the way Obama has been bumbling, fumbling and stumbling his way
> along, more and more of the Hope and Change people are starting to
> decide that Bush wasn't such a bad guy after all.
As a card-carrying member of the secret ACORN communist socialist hope and
change foot soldiers I can categorically say that our early
disappointments in Obama have done nothing to raise our opinion of W.
Opie-GManager
Rec.Gambling.Poker
Assistant Newsgroup Coordinator reporting to Mr. Popinjay
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>On Dec 28 2009 8:15 PM, FL Turbo wrote:
>
>> Given the way Obama has been bumbling, fumbling and stumbling his way
>> along, more and more of the Hope and Change people are starting to
>> decide that Bush wasn't such a bad guy after all.
>
>As a card-carrying member of the secret ACORN communist socialist hope and
>change foot soldiers I can categorically say that our early
>disappointments in Obama have done nothing to raise our opinion of W.
>
>
>Opie-GManager
>Rec.Gambling.Poker
>Assistant Newsgroup Coordinator reporting to Mr. Popinjay
>
Um, does your supervisor, Mr.Popinjay know about your affiliations?
I'm rather surprised you got through the screening process.
They stopped?
> On Dec 27, 4:33�ソスpm, "Irish Mike" <ad7c...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> > On Dec 27 2009 6:22 PM, susan wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > "O-PGManager" <ad63...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> > >news:4v2l07x...@recgroups.com...
> > > > On Dec 27 2009 4:55 PM, susan wrote:
> >
> > > >> It is amazing how we who differ with his policies are racists.
> >
> > > > No one accused you of racism because you don't like his policies. �ソスThe
"he
> > > > is a secret Kenyan" attacks ARE racist (I don't recall you pimping
them),
> > > > and many seem to have trouble understanding they are NOT policy
disputes.
> >
> > > > Opie-GManager
> > > > Rec.Gambling.Poker
> > > > Assistant Newsgroup Coordinator reporting to Mr. Popinjay
> >
> > > What is he doing that you thought he would when you voted for him? �ソス Is
he
> > > living up to your expectations?
> >
> > > I have never said he is a secret Kenyan. �ソスI don't think Mike has either,
but
> > > won't argue if he has. �ソスI have been called a racist by at least 5 people
> > > here.
> >
> > I have never said Obama was a Kenyan. �ソスI did say he is a far left wing
> > liberal who has implemented disastrous spending policies and that he has
> > blatantly, and repeatedly, broken his campaign promises. �ソス
>
> Indeed, the gays in San Francisco are still waiting for him to repeal
> "Don't Ask, Don't Tell".
>
> > I have been attacked and called a racist by at least 5 people here.
>
> I don't think you're a racist, Mike - kind of a fascist, but not a
> racist.
>
> - Bob T.
Thanks, I think.
Irish Mike
If you are America's enemy, and you are killing Americans, I want to see
you dead and the sooner you get that way the better I like it.
-----�ソス
>but not too harshly,
harry reid
"President Bush is a liar. He betrayed Nevada and he betrayed the
country."
Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid called President Bush "a loser"
during a civics discussion with a group of teenagers at a high school
on Friday.
"The House Democrats will vote today to discipline Rep. Joe Wilson for
calling President Obama a liar on the House floor during his speech to
the nation that was riddled with misleading statements,
misrepresentations and, well... lies. But, of course, Democrats didn't
bat an eye when Rep. Pete Stark called President Bush a liar on the
House floor... Twice... In the same speech"
In 2004, Democrats delivered a �Chorus Of Boos� during Bush�s State
Of The Union when he called for renewal of the Patriot Act., according
to the Washington Times.
In 2005, Dems howled, hissed and shouted �No!� when Bush pushed for
Social Security reform in the SOU: �Foreshadowing the contentiousness
of the coming debate, Democrats broke decorum and booed twice,�
according to the National Journal.
http://www.pictogame.com/en/play/game/aOM6TtpFCKHE_kill-bush
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0853096/
etc etc
There will be wars and rumors of wars to keep peoples minds of the
coming celestial catstrophy
"FL Turbo" <noe...@notime.com> wrote in message
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Who the hell would think Bush wasn't what he turned out to be? Obama saved
us from a depression and is pulling us out of a recession and just about
done the impossible on Healthcare reform. And you still gargle the Fox
Limbaugh cool aid that he's not getting anything done?
You're one of those folks that believe, is you repeat something often
enough, it might come true. But then, the GOP has already stated they want
Obama to fail; and by extension our own country.
Jerry 'n Vegas
- What's white and ten inches long?... Nothing.
Dopey Mismanager blithered:
I'm not going to confirm your numbers, but the senate bill is indeed
unpopular. The ironic part is that the most popular aspects - the public
option and the medicare buyin, were gutted by the "moderate and
centrist" democrats.
I wrote:
"Most popular aspects" to whom? To your ilk?
You'd better check you own numbers. With the "public option", included
in the bill, the poll numbers against the health care bill go up.
Without the public option, the health care plan is opposed around 56% to
42%.
Further, when the people are polled with regard to the prospect that
their employer will stop offering a health insurance plan because of the
government option, and that they (the employees) will be forced to
give-up private insurance for a government insurance plan, the numbers
go through the roof against the Obama's health "care" plan; something
like 70+ percent against.
Is that a joke? Dopey Mismanager is quoting an obviously bogus, mickey
mouse "poll", (what is it called?) "talkleft" (chortle). Now we know
where Dopey Mismanager, Turd and Bobtard get their "consistency in
idiocy."
"Talkleft", lol.
You do know that Nelson is now getting crushed in the polls refecting
his reelection bid.
Here, read the most professional and most accurate poll.
.....................
From Rasmussen:
Health Care Reform
Monday, December 28, 2009
Sixty-seven percent (67%) of voters nationwide now expect that health
care reform legislation will pass this year. That’s up from 49%
before the Senate passed its version of the legislation on Christmas Eve
- and by far the highest level of expectation yet measured.
The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey, conducted on
Sunday, finds that just 22% now consider passage of the plan unlikely.
However, while expectations for passage have risen dramatically, support
for the plan has not. Just 40% of voters nationwide now favor it while
55% are opposed. Those figures are essentially unchanged from a week
ago. This is the sixth straight week with support for the legislation
between 38% and 41% (see question wording and trends).
As has been the case throughout the debate, those who feel strongly
about the issue are more likely to be opposed. Just 21% of voters
Strongly Favor the plan while 43% are Strongly Opposed.
One reason for public opposition to the plan is the growing belief that
its passage will increase the cost of health care. Sixty-three percent
(63%) now believe the legislation will increase costs. That’s up
from 58% a week ago. In September, the number who expected the health
care plan to increase the cost of care stayed a few points above or
below the 50% level.
Only 13% now believe the proposal will achieve its stated goal of
reducing the cost of health care.
By a 54% to 24% margin, voters now believe that passage of the plan will
make the quality of care worse. Those figures have remained fairly
consistent for months.
Also consistent throughout the health care debate has been the partisan
nature of the response and strong opposition from senior citizens.
The latest numbers show that 76% of Democrats favor the plan while 82%
of Republicans are opposed. Among those not affiliated with either major
party, 28% support the plan and 66% are opposed.
Senior citizens are opposed by a 63% to 31% margin.
The Rasmussen Reports Election Edgeâ„¢ Premium Service offers the
most comprehensive public opinion coverage available anywhere.
This national telephone survey of 1,000 Likely Voters was conducted by
Rasmussen Reports December 27, 2009. The margin of sampling error for
the survey is +/- 3 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence
(see methodology).
Date
Favor
Oppose
Dec 27
40%
55%
Dec 18-19
41%
55%
Dec 12-13
40%
56%
Dec 4-5
41%
51%
TOP STORIES
Daily Presidential Tracking Poll
Health Care Vote Puts Nelson 30 Points Down in Reelection Bid.
©2009 Rasmussen Reports, LLC
> Is that a joke? Dopey Mismanager is quoting an obviously bogus, mickey
> mouse "poll", (what is it called?) "talkleft" (chortle). Now we know
> where Dopey Mismanager, Turd and Bobtard get their "consistency in
> idiocy."
>
> "Talkleft", lol.
It's not a Talkleft poll, learn to read. One poll was Washington Post the
other poll was CBS.
> Here, read the most professional and most accurate poll.
<snip rasmussmen poll>
Contains no data on the public option or medicare buyin. All it does is
confirm what I already said: the plan is unpopular. Thanks for
contributing nothing to the conversation at hand.
Opie-GManager
Rec.Gambling.Poker
Assistant Newsgroup Coordinator reporting to Mr. Popinjay
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> I wrote:
> "Most popular aspects" to whom? To your ilk?
>
> You'd better check you own numbers. With the "public option", included
> in the bill, the poll numbers against the health care bill go up.
Sure they do. Lets see a poll. I just linked to CBS and WaPo polls
showing strong support for the PO and the medicare buyin.
> Without the public option, the health care plan is opposed around 56% to
> 42%.
Yes, that's been established. Now back up your claim that support is
lower with the PO. Boy, you are slow.
> Further, when the people are polled with regard to the prospect that
> their employer will stop offering a health insurance plan because of the
> government option, and that they (the employees) will be forced to
> give-up private insurance for a government insurance plan, the numbers
> go through the roof against the Obama's health "care" plan; something
> like 70+ percent against.
When people are polled with regard to fantasy prospects that have no
grounding in reality then the polls do tend to shift against said ghost
stories.
Opie-GManager
Rec.Gambling.Poker
Assistant Newsgroup Coordinator reporting to Mr. Popinjay
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I won't bother parsing your brain-dead idiocy, above, as this poll
pretty much destroys you and your retarded assertion that the "public
option" is "popular."
The polls show that the health care bill is now so unpopular that it
doesn't matter how it's broken down into individual provisions (like the
pubic option/ "universal") it remains equally unpopular.
In other words, it's close to maxed-out in unpopularity, with left wing
Democrats as an unmovable base support; the political equivalent of the
Simson jury.
Some time before this latest poll, the addition of the public option did
bring the polls down, against the health care bill. But now that the
health care bill is polling so low, it's all-encompassed in an
unfavorable poll rerturn.
NOTE WELL:
As the poll above states, the polls don't change when the various
elements of the bill are added or subtracted.
There's another poll coming out that breaks-down the individual items of
the health care bill and how the people feel about each. I'll be sure to
post that.
So, no, you dancing imbecile, the public option isn't popular and
doesn't make the polls go up if it's included in the health care bill.
The public option only makes you and your ilk happy. "Get it."
The public option is only popular with left wing extremists, That
doesn't translate into being popular, quite the opposite. The majority
of "the people" reject national health care, with or without the public
option.
Are you starting to see your idiocy coming to life before you?
Also, The question of the Obama health care plan's forcing people off
private insurance and onto the government plan is a very real concern of
the people; it's a very relevant poll question being asked in
legitimate, professional polls. I'll see if I can dig that one up for
you.
We all know that the public option is designed to destroy the private
insurance industry and lead to the eventual implementation of a
communist "single payer" (the government) system.
No, moron, that's not popular with the people, just wackos like you.
Plus, a CBS poll is a joke poll. TV, news magazines and newspaper polls
are well known as, and proven to be way off and sharply skewed to
Democrats; in addition to the fact that their methodology is a joke, and
they are not professional pollsters.
Be sure to post again when you don't know what you're talking about.
48% to 40% are against the public option. And the polls are getting
worse against the national health "care" plan.
63% to 30% are against the public option with regard to keeping their
own, private health care plan.
Bye, bye, Dopey MIsmanager, you bring nothing but idiocy to the
discussion.
> Plus, a CBS poll is a joke poll. TV, news magazines and newspaper polls
> are well known as, and proven to be way off and sharply skewed to
> Democrats; in addition to the fact that their methodology is a joke, and
> they are not professional pollsters.
gotcha!
Opie-GManager
Rec.Gambling.Poker
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I'll recognize your Rasmussen poll showing 40% support for a PO. Of
course you won't recognize the other polls that show much differently.
CBS can't be trusted. Gotcha. You didn't even try to address the
medicare buyin numbers.
http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2009/12/past-polls-show-support-for-medicare-buy-in.html
74% support in the Kaiser poll. Please find a way to tell me the medicare
buyin is actually unpopular. If you can, try not to be the most wildly
unpleasant fucker on RGP. I was thinking how I really like the
conservatives on RGP - Popinjay, Turb, Follow, Susan, even Mike seems like
an ok guy on a personal level. I'm really wondering what went so wrong in
your life for you to be such a raging dickhead.
Opie-GManager
Rec.Gambling.Poker
Assistant Newsgroup Coordinator reporting to Mr. Popinjay
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>On Dec 31 2009 5:18 AM, Travel A wrote:
>
>I'll recognize your Rasmussen poll showing 40% support for a PO. Of
>course you won't recognize the other polls that show much differently.
>CBS can't be trusted. Gotcha. You didn't even try to address the
>medicare buyin numbers.
>
>http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2009/12/past-polls-show-support-for-medicare-buy-in.html
>
>74% support in the Kaiser poll. Please find a way to tell me the medicare
>buyin is actually unpopular. If you can, try not to be the most wildly
>unpleasant fucker on RGP. I was thinking how I really like the
>conservatives on RGP - Popinjay, Turb, Follow, Susan, even Mike seems like
>an ok guy on a personal level. I'm really wondering what went so wrong in
>your life for you to be such a raging dickhead.
>
Hey!!
Cut that out.
That's McCarthyism at its worst.
Just because I agree with Travel on most of the issues does not mean I
don't think he's a dickhead.
(I prefer the term "dork" to describe him.)
I am not a dickhead.
(Said in his most Nixon-like voice)
And here from the post you quoted above.
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Republicans, meanwhile, are noting a different poll, this one by CNN,
that finds that 61% oppose the Senate's health care bill while 36%
support it. Here are the details.
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Hmmmm
Dueling polls we here have.
Kaiser poll vs CNN poll.
Who to believe, eh?
I'll just have to wait for Travel to quote Rasmussen.
It's not dueling. The Kaiser one I referenced concerned medicare buyin.
The CNN was about the entire bill as it stands (with no PO or buyin).
Face it, medicare is popular.
Opie-GManager
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Assistant Newsgroup Coordinator reporting to Mr. Popinjay
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Opie-GManager
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>On Dec 31 2009 2:43 PM, FL Turbo wrote:
>>
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Republicans, meanwhile, are noting a different poll, this one by CNN,
>> that finds that 61% oppose the Senate's health care bill while 36%
>> support it. Here are the details.
>>
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Hmmmm
>> Dueling polls we here have.
>
>It's not dueling. The Kaiser one I referenced concerned medicare buyin.
>The CNN was about the entire bill as it stands (with no PO or buyin).
>
>Face it, medicare is popular.
>
Of course it is.
It has been heavily financed by the taxpayers.
Who would want to give up the "free money" benefits that the Federal
Gummint is now giving them?
Unfortunately, it has been going broke.
The new Socialized Medicine bill being proposed will siphon off the
taxpayer funding from that program to finance new beneficiaries that
are sure to flood into the system.
Guaranteed to make it go broke even faster.
The Incurable Optimists in the Demo party insist that bringing in more
participants in a government medical system will bring in enough money
to make it all solvent.
Won't happen, Bucko.
The new participants in the healthy 20 something population will not
be at all anxious to contribute to the Good Cause of "free" health
care for everyone.
I look back on my life as a healthy person, and see that the money I
spent for health insurance was pretty much wasted.
Despite a very few instances, I didn't need any medical care.
But then, my employers always had me enrolled in a group insurance
program with lower costs than an individual health care policy, and
even paid for half of it to boot.
What? Me complain too loudly?
AFAIK, the new Plan only calls for a fine for employers who do not
offer a health insurance program for their employees.
It's probably a slam dunk to think that most employers will gladly pay
that fine, and dump all their employees into the market for the New,
Improved Government funded health care Plan.
My suspicious little brain tells me that the new Plan will be
structured to make it advantageous to employers to reduce their costs
that way.
Now to make sure everyone is covered, we will make it mandatory for
everyone to buy health insurance whether they want to or not?
GL with that one.
> >Face it, medicare is popular.
> >
> Of course it is.
> It has been heavily financed by the taxpayers.
> Who would want to give up the "free money" benefits that the Federal
> Gummint is now giving them?
> Unfortunately, it has been going broke.
Disagree on both counts. Medicare has sustained itself with its premiums
for 40+ years. Is it going broke now? I suppose, but only because the
entire government is. The medicare payouts vs. payins have been just
fine, same with social security.
> The Incurable Optimists in the Demo party insist that bringing in more
> participants in a government medical system will bring in enough money
> to make it all solvent.
What "government medical system" are you talking about? The bill is 100%
about subsidizing people to pay private insurers.
> The new participants in the healthy 20 something population will not
> be at all anxious to contribute to the Good Cause of "free" health
> care for everyone.
That's why they should be mandated. If everyone healthy waits to buy
insurance until "after they need it" well that just won't work will it?
> AFAIK, the new Plan only calls for a fine for employers who do not
> offer a health insurance program for their employees.
>
> It's probably a slam dunk to think that most employers will gladly pay
> that fine, and dump all their employees into the market for the New,
> Improved Government funded health care Plan.
What government funded health care plan?
Stop you pathetic whining: "WAAAH! I don't wike twavel, he made mwee
wook wike an imbwacile."
Well, you are an imbecile.
When I first told you that you were wrong, that was your opportunity to
apologize and save face. But you didn't. As a moron, you ridiculed the
notion that you could be wrong. I proved you were wrong.
You sound like Turbortard after a good humiliation; pathetically
following me around. You two losers have a nice group hug now, lol.
You're just another dumb, snarky prick like tards Bob and Turbo, who has
gall to "cry victim" when caught as an idiot. As Clavey would say: Do
you even remember what self- respect felt like?
Rasmussen has proven to be the most accurate poll. Your pathetic
weaseling in the face of the facts, as clearly proven in my links and
paste-up, just shows you up as continuing to be just as dishonest and
without integrity.
Oh, and don't forget to obfuscate and weasel and try to change the
subject to Medicare, now that your ass is kicked on-issue . Oh, wait,
that's what you're doing now, (snicker).
wrong Opie - that would be me. Or Paul - I get so confused.
> You sound like Turbortard after a good humiliation; pathetically
> following me around.
Following you around? Are you fucking delusiona? I make a point NEVER to
engage you first because you're the most unpleasant fucker on RGP at least
since I've recognized such in the last few months. Right now, you're the
one jumping into a conversation I'm having with Turbo. Get the fuck out
of our subthread!
Opie-GManager
Rec.Gambling.Poker
Assistant Newsgroup Coordinator reporting to Mr. Popinjay
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I'm not sure if he's 21 or 41, I'm pretty sure about the virginity.
Opie-GManager
Rec.Gambling.Poker
Assistant Newsgroup Coordinator reporting to Mr. Popinjay
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>On Jan 1 2010 5:10 AM, Travel A wrote:
>
>> You sound like Turbortard after a good humiliation; pathetically
>> following me around.
>
>Following you around? Are you fucking delusiona? I make a point NEVER to
>engage you first because you're the most unpleasant fucker on RGP at least
>since I've recognized such in the last few months. Right now, you're the
>one jumping into a conversation I'm having with Turbo. Get the fuck out
>of our subthread!
>
Yeah, what you just said.
That'll set Travel Ass back a few notches.
So back to our conversation.
I um, er, seem to have lost your last post.
But NeverMind.
I remember what I wanted to say.
You're just another dumb, snarky prick like tards Bob and Travel Ass,
who has the gall to "cry victim" when caught as an idiot.
As Clavey would say: Do you even remember what self- respect felt
like?
Rasmussen has proven to be the most accurate poll. Your pathetic
weaseling in the face of the facts, as clearly proven in my links and
paste-up, just shows you up as continuing to be just as dishonest and
without integrity.
Oh, and don't forget to obfuscate and weasel and try to change the
subject to Medicare, now that your ass is kicked on-issue . Oh, wait,
that's what you're doing now, (snicker).
<titter, chortle>
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Your lame quips are merely fallen screams from the battlefield , as I
kick the sword from your twitching hand. Travel - 10/22/09
Re: OT: The Real Reason Why My Congressman Switched Parties
Group: rec.gambling.poker
Date: Mon, Dec 28, 2009, 6:26pm
From: Travel A <nin...@webtv.net>
Lol, Jayster, your post really got to the very marrow of Turbotard's
jealousy and "post envy" it seems, (chortle). He just couldn't take it
anymore. :-)
Turbotard was so poignantly aguished, keenly distressed about it that he
blurted-out his pent-up "inferior's hatred" all over RGP.
God! that was great!
Ya just can't buy entertainment like this.
Maybe if Turbotard could find a nice retard's forum he'd be happier and
not so tormented by his emabarrassing insecurity and idiocy.
Dopey Mismanager lied as a scumbag:
"Following you around? Are you fucking delusiona? I make a point NEVER
to engage you first..."
I wrote:
You're a liar.
On the "Pro-Rape GOP" thread, you flamed my lengthy and definitive
rebuttal of the corporation employee in Iraq/accusations against the
Republicans issue.
You jumped into that thread from nowhere, unprovoked, and you used name
calling I might add.
It's in the archives as proof, and easily recalled by anyone interested.
That was the first of our confrontations, and you initiated it. And of
course, I kicked your ass on the facts as well as logic and analytical
capability.
You lie about who starts it and you lie about your name-calling. That's
in addition to your lying about the issues. Do we see a pattern of
behavior?
So, as would be of no surprise to anyone, you even lie like a scumbag
when you're whining and feigning "the victim."
Remember Clavey: "Do you even remember what self-respect felt like?"
That's the same snarky and dishonest line that the idiot Bobard tries to
use, until he sees that it gets him nowhere on an unmoderated forum.
Are you sure that you two don't live together?
Can well imagine trouble makers like you, running and crying to a
moderator every time you start trouble and consequently get your ass
kicked.
Were you called "the squealer" in grammar school by any chance?
Yet again your cluelessness is on display for everyone to see.
You seem oblivious to the ramifications of dissing Opie.
FYI, Opie is the Assistant Newsgroup Coordinator.
He was personally selected for the job by Mr. Popinjay.
You just don't know who you're messing with here.
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" BARK! BARKBARK!!! YIPYIPYIP!!! "
Clave - 6/25/09
> I wrote:
> You sound like Turbortard after a good humiliation; pathetically
> following me around.
>
> Dopey Mismanager lied as a scumbag:
> "Following you around? Are you fucking delusiona? I make a point NEVER
> to engage you first..."
..??? ....??? DOT FUCKING DOT?? Wow you really are a fucking piece of
shit quoting me incompletely.
The full quote: I make a point NEVER to engage you first DOT DOT DOT
because you're the most unpleasant fucker on RGP at least since I've
recognized such in the LAST FEW MONTHS.
Turns out I haven't engaged you since OCTOBER FUCKING 9th, almost THREE
MONTHS ago (and that may well have been the ONLY time) and yet here you
are at the end of December accusing me of "following you around".
> I kicked your ass on the facts as well as logic and analytical
> capability.
Of course you did. I'm sure you've won many awards in your mind for
internet forum superstardom. Are you a 21 or 41 year old virgin?
Opie-GManager
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I haven't double posted anywhere in this thread. Oh, you weren't
talking to me? Who were you talking to then? One of the most
fundamental of newsgroup basics is to quote properly. If you can't do
that, maybe you should resign your post.
I'm sorry! I was disoriented by Travel's 17th multiple post.
Opie-GManager
Rec.Gambling.Poker
Assistant Newsgroup Coordinator reporting to Mr. Popinjay
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Unbelievably, and laughably the lying scumbag digs himself in deeper.
> Unbelievably, and laughably the lying scumbag digs himself in deeper.
You've made 4 posts about 12 times in this thread... are you retarded?
Opie-GManager
Rec.Gambling.Poker
Assistant Newsgroup Coordinator reporting to Mr. Popinjay
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>On Jan 3 2010 8:14 PM, Travel A wrote:
>
>> Unbelievably, and laughably the lying scumbag digs himself in deeper.
>
>You've made 4 posts about 12 times in this thread... are you retarded?
>
>
>Opie-GManager
>Rec.Gambling.Poker
>Assistant Newsgroup Coordinator reporting to Mr. Popinjay
>
Mental retardation?
"Wet brain" syndrome?
Alzheimers?
Simple senility?
So many possibilities to choose from.
I post Turbotard's proven idiocy in on-topic, substantive detail. In
hysterical mode, (about day 5) Turbotard giggles to himself and tries to
pretend that he enjoys reliving his humiliation for days on end.
It's seems satanic in a way, really. It's as if Turbotard fantasizes
about burning in hell for eternity. Eventually, Turbotard will be so far
gone that he'll be like Billy Bones in "treasure Island": begging around
RGP for "Just a bit 'o cheddar cheese."
Turbotard has his problems.
Yes, the thread should end upon Turbotard's defeat. Yes, Turbotard,
being initially humilitated, should go away in disgrace immediately, but
one needs to remember that Turbotard's an idiot and he does have his
problems.
Yes, this thread should end, shouldn't it?
But it won't.
I can guarantee that you will post this same empty message over and
over and over again.
Here Travel boy !!!
Go Fetch !!!
I wrote:
And note how much it bothers Turbotard when he gets caught so bad that
he can't wiggle out of the weasel trap.
He'll go on for days now, posting and posting, keeping it up, trying get
free, lol.
Lol, he's baaaack, right on cue.
But it won't.
I can guarantee that you will post this same empty message over and
over and over again.
Good boy, Travel !!
Go Fetch !!