Question about chip counts.
JGroomsTD
Regarding chip counts at the final table.
2 million doallars is 200 players worth of chips
the maximum amount of chips able to be gained during a race off is 1 chip per
table in play. that would be 200 grenn chips per day on days 2 a and 2 b.
Thats 5K in chips. Then 100's have to be colored up. lets say 200 table in
play again. that 20K. then 200 tables for the 500's. That 50 K. when the 1 K
chips came off the tables, there were no more than 10 tables in play. thats 50
K more. so that leaves 1.75 million in chips (175 players) woth of chips that
were blinded off. That's gross. I know the 2 guys making most of the decisions
regarding tournament operations, and I am sure that someone above them who knows
NOTHING of how to run a poker tournament, made the decision to blind off all
those dead stacks. That sucks for the person sitting to the right of a dead
stack. I guess the realistic part of it didn't matter, how it affected th
players at the tables. Harrah's management sucks. They are the donkeys of the
poker business.
JG
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Patty
JGroomsTD wrote:
> Regarding chip counts at the final table.
>
that
> were blinded off. That's gross.
> JG
Gross, yes. Blinded off, not necessarily.
Patty
Will_gamble
> Regarding chip counts at the final table.
>
> 2 million doallars is 200 players worth of chips
> the maximum amount of chips able to be gained during a race off is 1 chip per
> table in play.
You know, I know you know what all these terms mean, but not being a
tournament player I don't.. a "race off" sounds like an all-in show
down, but I know that can't be what you mean
>that would be 200 grenn chips per day on days 2 a and 2 b.
> Thats 5K in chips. Then 100's have to be colored up. lets say 200 table in
> play again. that 20K. then 200 tables for the 500's. That 50 K. when the
1 K
> chips came off the tables, there were no more than 10 tables in play. thats
50
> K more. so that leaves 1.75 million in chips (175 players) woth of chips
that
> were blinded off.
Again, "blinded off" doesn't fit with what I read. It almost sounds like
when they color up people excess chips of the no longer used denomination
are taken out of play.
>That's gross. I know the 2 guys making most of the decisions
> regarding tournament operations, and I am sure that someone above them who
knows
> NOTHING of how to run a poker tournament, made the decision to blind off all
> those dead stacks.
Blind off?
>That sucks for the person sitting to the right of a dead
> stack.
What, do dead stacks shift right? Pffft
> I guess the realistic part of it didn't matter, how it affected th
> players at the tables. Harrah's management sucks. They are the donkeys of
the
> poker business.
Be careful crossing those bridges, they seem to be on fire.
> JG
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Gary Philips
> You know, I know you know what all these terms mean, but not being a
> tournament player I don't.. a "race off" sounds like an all-in show
> down, but I know that can't be what you mean
Race off: At certain times it becomes necessary to get
a denomination of chip off the table as it is no longer
needed, takes up too much space and/or slows down the
game unnecessarily from having to count down bets and all-in
stacks.
The players exchange those chips for the next
lowest denomination chip. So far no problem. (eg for every
4 green chips each player receives 1 black.) But how to
handle the odd chips. Say a player has 7 green. He then
gets 1 black and has 3 remaining green. It used to be
that those odd chips from all the players at the table
were placed in the center and each person got one card.
Highest card got all those chips. That was deemed too much
a windfall given to the luck of the draw. Instead a system
was implemented that gave one chip only to any one player.
Every player got a card for each odd chip. Next the chips
were collected and counted in terms of how many next higher
denomination chips to be given out. If there were 12 green
chips then 3 black chips were given out. One chip to the
person with the highest card, who cannot now receive any
more chips even if he has the second highest card as well.
The dealer kills his cards so this cannot happen. The next
highest card on the table gets the next black chip. Dealer
kills his cards so he can't get any more. The next highest
card gets the last black.
So far no problem. But what happens when there are still
odd chips left? Say there are 13 green instead of 12.
Some TD's see that 4 black chips are given out meaning that
in this case $75, or three green chips worth, was added to
the tournament total.
I think a better way to do it is use the half chip method.
After counting the chips to determine how many next higher
denomination chips to give out, if there are half or more
left, give out the extra chip. If there are less than half
don't give the extra chip. 14, 15 or 16 green = 4 black,
13 or 12 green = 3 black. This way there is either an
addition or a subtraction of value for each race off that
has uneven number of chips for the next denomination.
You then get a closer, but not perfect, chip count for the
whole tournament.
>>I guess the realistic part of it didn't matter, how it affected
>>the players at the tables. Harrah's management sucks. They
>>are the donkeys of the poker business.
>
> Be careful crossing those bridges, they seem to be on fire.
I think everyone by now knows Johnny's personal opinion of
Harrah's management as it refers to the poker sector. Not
one bit of sleep will he lose concerning those bridges.
Gary (...) Philips
Will_gamble
It sounded like a rounding problem when coloring up but I couldn't exactly
follow Johnny's post. I suspected by his shot at Harrah's that there
might have been some Walker Red consumed some time that evening. :)
Like I said, I have not had the pleasure of playing a live tournament. I
would like to play in Tunica this winter, but the last time I was there it
was a little intimidating trying to find where to sign up for anything. I
guess they don't do hospitality booths like golf events.
Thanks again
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AnnieAdlin
Even if those stacks were blinded off,
weren't those player included in the number of entries?