OT: Question about Tarot Cards
Paul Popinjay
some business, with a sign that says "palms read" or "tarot card" something
or another. What is that all about anyway?
Here's what I am asking. I am wondering, I mean, people obviously make a
living with that shit? What is it exactly? And how much do they charge?
Have any RGPers ever had their freaking palm read or whatever, and how much
does it cost? I mean, how can someone run a business like that and make a
freaking living off it? Because it's not like the parking lot is full. I
never see a line of people waiting to get into one of these places. So
what's the deal with that anyway? Are there any RGPers who have ever, or
who are regular customers, getting their tarot cards done or palms read or
whatever the fuck they do in these places? That doesn't mean I'm going to
go to one, but I was just wondering, that's all.
thanks,
Paul Popinjay
bub
"Last night I stayed up late playing poker with Tarot cards. I got a
full house and four people died. "
-Steven Wright
O-PGManager
they have some sort of extra sensory perception. It's called cold
reading, wikipedia it, it's a skill to bilk gullible out of their money.
Some are better at it than others.
Tarot cards they shuffle cards and start flipping them over, I guess
certain cards mean certain stuff and guides their cold read. Palms they
just look at your palms and the patterns mean different things. I got a
free tarot card reading once. Just real broad stuff (i.e. "I see a brown
haired girl in your past, she meant a lot to you"), most of it too general
to be definitely "wrong" so if you're inclined to believe she is psychic
to begin with you'll be able to convince yourself she is.
I think 60-80$/hr is the standard rate people pay. Some of them must make
pretty good money because you see a lot of the shops in Manhattan in very
high commercial rent areas.
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Howard Beale
Psychic Friends Network. When we'd go to AC there's a few of those places
on the Boardwalk and she'd always want to go in. Last time I told her ok
but you can only spend $20. After 10 minutes she comes out and says that
for the psychic to do what she wants (put a curse on her sister-in-law, I
swear) it would be $150 more and she had that pleading look so I said ok.
20 minutes later she comes out w/ a piece of cardboard with designs on it
shaped like a shoe insert. The instructions were to put it in her shoe,
walk on it for a week, send it back to the psychic who would then burn it
w/ a curse. Mom was happy as could be, well worth the money to see her so
pleased.
Howard Beale
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>
> "Last night I stayed up late playing poker with Tarot cards. I got a
> full house and four people died. "
> -Steven Wright
Heh
Speaking of that, our psychology professor back in college told us about a
friend that was consistently way out on the asymptote as far as predicting
the out come of those design cards back in college. Way way beyond any
probabilistic degree of certainty. They started looking at him very
carefully. Then due to some circumstances in life he had a major anxiety
episode, after which his performance reverted to complete randomness. So
don't know what to make of all this ESP stuff, think real perception of
that type is so flighting it can't be subject to true scientific
confirmation. I know this, my ex-wife had the blackest cloud of bad luck
of any person I have ever seen, relentless and continual. She told me
years before she met me that she had gone to a reader, and was quickly
told that she would always have bad luck, the lady didn't even try to sell
her on a scheme for changing it, just said sorry. So you just have to
find the right reader Paul, who knows.
ContactGSW
Chic, it doesn't matter what you do, (sniiiff), you're always gonna smell
like fish.
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Paul Popinjay
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> My mother absolutely LOVES that stuff. Years ago she used to call the
> Psychic Friends Network. When we'd go to AC there's a few of those places
> on the Boardwalk and she'd always want to go in. Last time I told her ok
> but you can only spend $20. After 10 minutes she comes out and says that
> for the psychic to do what she wants (put a curse on her sister-in-law, I
> swear) it would be $150 more and she had that pleading look so I said ok.
>
> 20 minutes later she comes out w/ a piece of cardboard with designs on it
> shaped like a shoe insert. The instructions were to put it in her shoe,
> walk on it for a week, send it back to the psychic who would then burn it
> w/ a curse. Mom was happy as could be, well worth the money to see her so
> pleased.
>
>
> Howard Beale
>
Ok, thank you everyone for this information. Usually when I have seen these
"establishments", they are in some kind of an old building, maybe an old
house that has been converted into a business. So maybe it isn't too
lucrative, but there must be enough money in it to put food on the table.
So my next question, of course, is how is your aunt-in-law doing nowadays,
Howard? I understand if you cannot admit too much on this public newsgroup,
I mean, afterall, if anything happened to her it would seem that you were
the proximate cause of such mishap, being that you supplied the $170 with
full knowledge of what it was intended for.
risky biz
> My mother absolutely LOVES that stuff. Years ago she used to call the
> Psychic Friends Network. When we'd go to AC there's a few of those places
> on the Boardwalk and she'd always want to go in. Last time I told her ok
> but you can only spend $20. After 10 minutes she comes out and says that
> for the psychic to do what she wants (put a curse on her sister-in-law, I
> swear) it would be $150 more and she had that pleading look so I said ok.
>
> 20 minutes later she comes out w/ a piece of cardboard with designs on it
> shaped like a shoe insert. The instructions were to put it in her shoe,
> walk on it for a week, send it back to the psychic who would then burn it
> w/ a curse. Mom was happy as could be, well worth the money to see her so
> pleased.
>
>
> Howard Beale
Interesting family you have, Howard.
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risky biz
When I was about 20 a Vietnamese hand reader told me I would die a violent
death at the age of 42. I didn't though I tried pretty hard.
On the other hand a Chinese friend had my horoscope done by a Chinese
astrologer. It's relation of my past life was about 95% accurate. The
inaccuracy was in the number of women I had intimate relations with but
that may have been correct, also, depending on how the word intimate is
interpreted.
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BillB
"Howard Beale" <a1...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
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> 20 minutes later she comes out w/ a piece of cardboard with designs
> on it
> shaped like a shoe insert. The instructions were to put it in her
> shoe,
> walk on it for a week, send it back to the psychic who would then
> burn it
> w/ a curse.
Well? Did it work?
Clave
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Successful Tarot readers read their clients more than they read the cards,
just like poker.
And, just like poker, there's no limit as to what they can make if they're
good, or how much time they can do in prison if they're caught cheating.
Jim
K9way
these people manipulate peoples minds , get them at their lowest point in
life when tragedy surrounds them , gives them false hope and they promise
them some relief.. and they do it all for money
you know .. just like religion
if you can get people to believe that there is a God .. you can get them
to believe just about anything
Recession .. when IMike's neighbor loses his trailer
Depression .. when IMike loses his trailer
Recovery .. when IMike accepts public assistance funded by Obama
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Beldin the Sorcerer
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The difference with religion is, most of the people in a religion get
indoctrinated at a very young age.
It takes a lot of education and thought to break free of early programming
Paul Popinjay
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>
> these people manipulate peoples minds , get them at their lowest point in
> life when tragedy surrounds them , gives them false hope and they promise
> them some relief.. and they do it all for money
>
> you know .. just like religion
>
> if you can get people to believe that there is a God .. you can get them
> to believe just about anything
>
Ok, look, I just asked a legit question about these tarot card places I see
sometimes. This is not the place for your heathen atheist rants. You go
find another thread to spread your blasphemous venom. I'm not going to take
this shit in the new year. I'm not going to tolerate this kind of crap in
2010. You just answer the fucking questions I posed or don't say nothin, go
talk about your little football games and shit. I'm going to be more
spiritual on RGP in 2010, starting RIGHT now!
Paul Popinjay
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>
>>
>> if you can get people to believe that there is a God .. you can get them
>> to believe just about anything
> Fairly spot on.
> The difference with religion is, most of the people in a religion get
> indoctrinated at a very young age.
> It takes a lot of education and thought to break free of early programming
>
Break "free"? Is that what you call it, fuck face? "Free"? Our nation,
our society, is on a collision course with immorality and doom, you piece of
shit, Beldin. Every aspect of our society has changed in the last two or
three generations, and changed not for the good either, because of people's
turning their backs on God and religion. Is this what you want in a
God-free nation? Rampant crime, rampant drug use, rampant divorce, rampant
infanticide, rampant violence? Everyone caught up in the acquisition of
material things, in a race to see who has the most toys, even though you
cannot take any of it with you? I'm going to be more spiritual on RGP in
the new year. Fuck you in the new year, Beldin, fuck you in 2010.
Paul Popinjay
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>
> Successful Tarot readers read their clients more than they read the cards,
> just like poker.
>
> And, just like poker, there's no limit as to what they can make if they're
> good, or how much time they can do in prison if they're caught cheating.
>
> Jim
>
What do you mean, "cheating"? How can one "cheat" in tarot card reading?
These businesses obviously have to get a business license, so they're legal
here, I don't know about in your state, Clave, but there are plenty of them
in California. So how can they "cheat", where they might risk going to jail
for that? What are you talking about, Clave?
mccard
PokerStars. That will tell you all you need to know about how your
luck is running, your relationship with the spiritual and will tell if
you can buy a bottle of Cristal or stick with your normal Martini and
Rossi for the New Year celebration.
Peg Smith
<a1...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>My mother absolutely LOVES that stuff. Years ago she used to call the
>Psychic Friends Network.
Several years ago I knew a gal who used to spend a buttload of money
calling those shysters. She told me that the first question they ask a
caller is, "What is your birth date?" I told her that she should
respond with, "You're a psychic, why don't you already know?"
Peg
Paul Popinjay
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> You want spiritual, plunk down $60 for a 45 person NLHE S&G on PokerStars.
> That will tell you all you need to know about how your luck is running,
> your relationship with the spiritual and will tell if you can buy a bottle
> of Cristal or stick with your normal Martini and Rossi for the New Year
> celebration.
Are you talking about some RGP tourney or something? Every time you start a
tourney, you're the only one sitting there. No one wants to play with you,
McTard. No one, except for Kelly. I see her sitting next to you, waiting
for the tourney to start. I think she likes you. I think she wants you.
Forget Poker Stars today. I'm going to the Indian Reservation. Fuck it.
Beldin the Sorcerer
> "Beldin the Sorcerer" <beld...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>>
>>>
>>> if you can get people to believe that there is a God .. you can get them
>>> to believe just about anything
>> Fairly spot on.
>> The difference with religion is, most of the people in a religion get
>> indoctrinated at a very young age.
>> It takes a lot of education and thought to break free of early
>> programming
>>
>
>
> Break "free"? Is that what you call it, fuck face? "Free"?
Yes.
See, those are my words. I typed them.
Clearly, that's what I called it
Our nation,
> our society, is on a collision course with immorality and doom, you piece
> of shit, Beldin.
Brought on by scientific ignorance imposed by shithead bible-thumpers
Every aspect of our society has changed in the last two or
> three generations, and changed not for the good either, because of
> people's turning their backs on God and religion.
No, because of their inability to grasp what we learn because it makes them
uncomfortable
Is this what you want in a
> God-free nation? Rampant crime, rampant drug use, rampant divorce,
> rampant infanticide, rampant violence?
No, but I don't want people killing other people over a difference of
opinion over which imaginary friend is real either
Everyone caught up in the acquisition of
> material things, in a race to see who has the most toys, even though you
> cannot take any of it with you? I'm going to be more spiritual on RGP in
> the new year.
Ok, give me your money
If I can't take it with me, I don't wanna go.
Find the science to keep me around as long as possible
>Fuck you in the new year, Beldin, fuck you in 2010.
Well, THAT'S spiritual
>
>
mccard
wouldn't like me at all.
da pickle
You could spend weeks in Cassadaga, Florida, and never see the same psychic
twice. I would recommend the visit to Disney before the visit to Cassadaga.
I lived not far from there for a few years.
Very nice place. Definitely lower middle class, but very nice people.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqjNl9IRns4
http://goflorida.about.com/cs/orlando/a/aa101700a.htm
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20091014114523AAEC89U
Jerry Sturdivant
If the idiots believe in religion, they believe in all sorts of
superstitions. Why should, "I can look at your hand and tell your future,"
crap be any different?
Jerry 'n Vegas
BTSinAustin
I would suggest you just go to your dear friend and puppet master
ramashiva, he is after all the yabba dabba do yogi master.
"I owe Jordan $84 and he'll get his money, but not until there is NO
MENTION of it on RGP for 14 consecutive days. That's the new rule.� --
Rick "DaVoice" Charles 12-31-2009
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bo dark
wrote:
> "K9way" <ad14...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
You mean opposing programming , not education. The public schools are
the biggest indoctrinators. With PC politics and social studies.My
brother is an atheist , i'm not , we grew up in a house with the same
programmers.
O-PGManager
> On the other hand a Chinese friend had my horoscope done by a Chinese
> astrologer. It's relation of my past life was about 95% accurate. The
> inaccuracy was in the number of women I had intimate relations with but
> that may have been correct, also, depending on how the word intimate is
> interpreted.
Don't have to be a psychic to know it's zero Risky!
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Jerry Sturdivant
"Paul Popinjay" <paulpo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> "Beldin the Sorcerer" <beld...@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:hhiakq$ah1$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>
>>>
>>> if you can get people to believe that there is a God .. you can get them
>>> to believe just about anything
>> Fairly spot on.
>> The difference with religion is, most of the people in a religion get
>> indoctrinated at a very young age.
>> It takes a lot of education and thought to break free of early
>> programming
> Break "free"? Is that what you call it, fuck face? "Free"? Our nation,
> our society, is on a collision course with immorality and doom, you piece
> of shit, Beldin. Every aspect of our society has changed in the last two
> or three generations, and changed not for the good either, because of
> people's turning their backs on God and religion. Is this what you want
> in a God-free nation? Rampant crime, rampant drug use, rampant divorce,
> rampant infanticide, rampant violence?
What? The reason people are not getting divorce; or are using drugs; or
violent is because they fear a god? Is that it with you? If you found out
there were no god, you would run 'rampant?' you would kill and rob? Is that
what you are without the threat of going to hell?
Notice I'm not religious and I don't kill and rape and robe. But you
religious folks must need the reality of the threat.
You're scary
Jerry 'n Vegas
Augustus
>> building,
>> some business, with a sign that says "palms read" or "tarot card"
>> something
>> or another. What is that all about anyway?
This about says it all.....
Howard Beale
It's my father's sister, she's still alive and has caused my side of the
family a very great deal of trouble because of the family business. And
she's going to live a good, long time because I'M JUST NOT THAT LUCKY!
HB
Howard Beale
We are talking science here, Peg. That's legitimately needed information
to plug into their astrological charts, c'mon. :)
HB
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***
No.
The religions program you to believe in things that violate common sense and
science.
That's indoctrinational bullshit.
***
The public schools are
the biggest indoctrinators. With PC politics and social studies.My
brother is an atheist , i'm not , we grew up in a house with the same
programmers.
***
So your brother got some common sense and you're still an idiot?
I'm a monotheist, but the Catholic church failed to keep me under their
program
Clave
> "Clave" <ClaviusNo...@cablespeed.com> wrote in message
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>
>>
>> Successful Tarot readers read their clients more than they read the
>> cards, just like poker.
>>
>> And, just like poker, there's no limit as to what they can make if
>> they're good, or how much time they can do in prison if they're caught
>> cheating.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>
>
> What do you mean, "cheating"? How can one "cheat" in tarot card reading?
Taking someone for noticeably too much money, for one. Happens all the
time.
Jim
risky biz
> On Dec 31 2009 3:52 AM, risky biz wrote:
>
> > On the other hand a Chinese friend had my horoscope done by a Chinese
> > astrologer. It's relation of my past life was about 95% accurate. The
> > inaccuracy was in the number of women I had intimate relations with but
> > that may have been correct, also, depending on how the word intimate is
> > interpreted.
>
> Don't have to be a psychic to know it's zero Risky!
If the number were zero then the interpretation of the word "intimate"
would logically not be relevant. I recommend that you avoid card games
involving serious money. It doesn't take a fortuneteller to see that.
P.S. . . . and absolutely don't ever, under any circumstances, bet that
you have been intimate with more women than me.
> Opie-GManager
> Rec.Gambling.Poker
> Assistant Newsgroup Coordinator reporting to Mr. Popinjay
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risky biz
> On Dec 31 2009 7:53 AM, Peg Smith wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 22:30:04 -0800, "Howard Beale"
> > <a1...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> >
> > >My mother absolutely LOVES that stuff. Years ago she used to call the
> > >Psychic Friends Network.
> >
> > Several years ago I knew a gal who used to spend a buttload of money
> > calling those shysters. She told me that the first question they ask a
> > caller is, "What is your birth date?" I told her that she should
> > respond with, "You're a psychic, why don't you already know?"
> >
> > Peg
>
>
>
> We are talking science here, Peg. That's legitimately needed information
> to plug into their astrological charts, c'mon. :)
>
>
> HB
It's even more necessary to plug into her buttload of money. LOL.
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risky biz
You probably joined the Santerias, you nut.
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I'm not going to say anything about a certain person claiming that all
high stakes tarot readings are rigged.
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none
> Every now and then I am driving somewhere and I'll notice a small building,
> some business, with a sign that says "palms read" or "tarot card" something
> or another. What is that all about anyway?
>
> Here's what I am asking. I am wondering, I mean, people obviously make a
> living with that shit? What is it exactly? And how much do they charge?
> Have any RGPers ever had their freaking palm read or whatever, and how much
> does it cost? I mean, how can someone run a business like that and make a
> freaking living off it? Because it's not like the parking lot is full. I
> never see a line of people waiting to get into one of these places. So
> what's the deal with that anyway? Are there any RGPers who have ever, or
> who are regular customers, getting their tarot cards done or palms read or
> whatever the fuck they do in these places? That doesn't mean I'm going to
> go to one, but I was just wondering, that's all.
>
> Paul Popinjay
>
>
>
Oh, it's certainly very real, best not to be inquisitive
until prepared;
http://bible.cc/ephesians/6-12.htm
Just for fun, watch the 2005 movie Edmund.
none
> On Dec 30 2009 9:58 PM, Paul Popinjay wrote:
>
>> Every now and then I am driving somewhere and I'll notice a small building,
>> some business, with a sign that says "palms read" or "tarot card" something
>> or another. What is that all about anyway?
>>
>> Here's what I am asking. I am wondering, I mean, people obviously make a
>> living with that shit? What is it exactly? And how much do they charge?
>> Have any RGPers ever had their freaking palm read or whatever, and how much
>> does it cost? I mean, how can someone run a business like that and make a
>> freaking living off it? Because it's not like the parking lot is full. I
>> never see a line of people waiting to get into one of these places. So
>> what's the deal with that anyway? Are there any RGPers who have ever, or
>> who are regular customers, getting their tarot cards done or palms read or
>> whatever the fuck they do in these places? That doesn't mean I'm going to
>> go to one, but I was just wondering, that's all.
>>
>> thanks,
>> Paul Popinjay
>
> death at the age of 42. I didn't though I tried pretty hard.
>
> On the other hand a Chinese friend had my horoscope done by a Chinese
> astrologer. It's relation of my past life was about 95% accurate. The
> inaccuracy was in the number of women I had intimate relations with but
> that may have been correct, also, depending on how the word intimate is
> interpreted.
>
>
So are you saying your ego has been penetrated, but your
spiritual existence has not?
none
I kind of like you already, though I am only just an
occasional lurker from the shadows. It is possible to be
real and spiritually filled at the same time. just as it is
to be lacking and insecure with dubious security at heart.
none
It's wholly spiritual, because its real, and informed,
protected with armour. Most scientists admit a close
association with spirituality, but God has designed it so
no one should know what comes after them.
none
Foolishness is vindicated by?
http://preview.tinyurl.com/yd3fjw7
none
Religion sir, is and invention of man. Spirituality is quite
the opposite.
> ***
> The public schools are
> the biggest indoctrinators.
A God knows his own.
With PC politics and social studies.My
> brother is an atheist , i'm not , we grew up in a house with the same
> programmers.
> ***
> So your brother got some common sense and you're still an idiot?
Common sense is relative to un-common sense
>
> I'm a monotheist, but the Catholic church failed to keep me under their
> program
I'm sure you can sort this out then;
http://www.scionofzion.com/matthew_5_22.htm
>
>
>
>
none
> "K9way" <ad1...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
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>
>> life when tragedy surrounds them , gives them false hope and they promise
>> them some relief.. and they do it all for money
>>
>> you know .. just like religion
>>
>> if you can get people to believe that there is a God .. you can get them
>> to believe just about anything
>>
>
>
> sometimes. This is not the place for your heathen atheist rants. You go
> find another thread to spread your blasphemous venom. I'm not going to take
> this shit in the new year. I'm not going to tolerate this kind of crap in
> 2010. You just answer the fucking questions I posed or don't say nothin, go
> talk about your little football games and shit. I'm going to be more
> spiritual on RGP in 2010, starting RIGHT now!
>
>
Then you should realize, at least mathematically, any form
of anathema in "card playing," as controversial to good
living, and good health. Make straight the way of the Lord.
Paul Popinjay
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>
> I kind of like you already, though I am only just an occasional lurker
> from the shadows. It is possible to be real and spiritually filled at the
> same time. just as it is
> to be lacking and insecure with dubious security at heart.
The point I was trying to make, and apparently so futile, was that there is
something LARGELY different now from when our parents were young. Many many
things are different in our society, our culture, now, in America, that were
not so only 50 years ago. And it is for the worse! I am blaming it on the
absense of religious beliefs, and apparently everyone here disagrees with me
about that, but not one of these morons has offered an explanation for why
we are now so different. I am quite sure that statistics will point to
there being skyrocketing immorality, skyrocketing divorce numbers,
skyrocketing babies out of wedlock, a major increase in violent crime and
the amount of people in prison for such violent crimes, and on and on and
on. So now, is this what we get by being so much more "enlightened" than
the previously "old-fashioned" generations? If this is our future, then I
long for the "old days", even the "old days" that were here before I was
born. I am not that old, but I am perceptive enough to realize that times
have changed in a big way. And they have not changed for the better. Too
bad I'm talking to a bunch of stupid fucks on this newsgroup because I am
practically all by myself on this obvious observation.
-Paul Popinjay
da pickle
I agree with you Paul.
One of the things that "felt" interesting about New Zealand was that
although there were many modern "things" available, the feel of the place
and the people reminded me of the 50's and 60's in the USA. Friendly,
family oriented and outwardly comfortable and content. And a real
"protestant work ethic" that seem to permeate the place.
Paul Popinjay
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>
> One of the things that "felt" interesting about New Zealand was that
> although there were many modern "things" available, the feel of the place
> and the people reminded me of the 50's and 60's in the USA. Friendly,
> family oriented and outwardly comfortable and content. And a real
> "protestant work ethic" that seem to permeate the place.
These young fools (like Beldin), and some older fools too, (like Jerry),
cannot seem to explain what it is that is causing our society and culture to
go down the tubes. At least, if they can, they have not done so.
As an ex-communist myself, and a longtime student of communism, I'm telling
you that this is why it was so crucial for communists to get into Hollywood
and the entertainment industry many many decades ago. It was not just a
desire of the communists, but a necessity. And after several decades of
spewing out filth and anti-religious sentiment, Hollywood has completely
transformed our whole nation's culture and beliefs. Y'see, the Russians
never had to drop any bombs on us to destroy us. They have almost won, and
never fired a shot.
risky biz
Now who the hell is this for 2010? Sounds like pickle- incomprehensible.
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risky biz
Opium.
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James L. Hankins
"Peg Smith" <pegsm...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 22:30:04 -0800, "Howard Beale"
> <a1...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>
>>My mother absolutely LOVES that stuff. Years ago she used to call the
>>Psychic Friends Network.
>
> Several years ago I knew a gal who used to spend a buttload of money
> calling those shysters. She told me that the first question they ask a
> caller is, "What is your birth date?" I told her that she should
> respond with, "You're a psychic, why don't you already know?"
>
> Peg
The worst one was the guy that claimed to talk to dead people and convinced
audience members that he was communicating with their loved ones. I forget
exactly where I was when I saw it (on television that is, and it was years
ago), but I could not believe that some people believed this guy.
During the whole thing, he continually asked questions to the audience
without actually giving any information himself. Just about the most basic
con you could imagine, but some people were amazed at his abilities.
Whenever I get into discussions about this stuff with anyone, I always ask
them, "Why does a psychic have to ask you any questions at all?" A psychic
should tell you his/her impressions, not ask you a bunch of questions and
then tell you his/her impressions.
Beldin the Sorcerer
> "da pickle" <jcpickels@(nospam)hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:a8OdnWO3GKP...@giganews.com...
>
>>
>> One of the things that "felt" interesting about New Zealand was that
>> although there were many modern "things" available, the feel of the place
>> and the people reminded me of the 50's and 60's in the USA. Friendly,
>> family oriented and outwardly comfortable and content. And a real
>> "protestant work ethic" that seem to permeate the place.
>
>
> These young fools (like Beldin), and some older fools too, (like Jerry),
> cannot seem to explain what it is that is causing our society and culture
> to
> go down the tubes. At least, if they can, they have not done so.
>
Paul, I am hardly 'young'
Greater income disparity and greater institutionalized poverty caused a lot
of the problems.
Moralistic idiots fighting birth control do a lot of harm too.
> As an ex-communist myself, and a longtime student of communism, I'm
> telling
> you that this is why it was so crucial for communists to get into
> Hollywood
> and the entertainment industry many many decades ago. It was not just a
> desire of the communists, but a necessity. And after several decades of
> spewing out filth and anti-religious sentiment, Hollywood has completely
> transformed our whole nation's culture and beliefs. Y'see, the Russians
> never had to drop any bombs on us to destroy us. They have almost won,
> and
> never fired a shot.
Oh fuck you.
I'm no communist.
Ask Jerry
Peg Smith
<jhan...@cox.net> wrote:
>The worst one was the guy that claimed to talk to dead people and convinced
>audience members that he was communicating with their loved ones. I forget
>exactly where I was when I saw it (on television that is, and it was years
>ago), but I could not believe that some people believed this guy.
It's no more preposterous than believing in a god, or heaven or hell,
or karma, or omens, or fate/destiny, or any other of a number of
nonsensical belief systems people have. If it weren't for gullibility,
there'd be no churches.
Peg
none
Was that Edgar Cayce dancing on the dark side of Carl Jung
again, like Johnny Chan, or the trio in magic and deadly
arts; Amarillo Slim [suspected pedophile...or was that
convicted pedophile]? - Doyle Brunson & - Sailor Roberts
team, and/or, alcoholic Brunson Jr,, Ed Norton, Mike the
Mouth, Pablo Escabar, Phil Helmuth team, and/or the underage
wet behing the ears and arrogant subgroups of modern day
psychology, like "the crew?" ah ha ha h aha ha
Clave
news:THN%m.1971$Sk4....@newsfe10.iad...
<...>
> The worst one was the guy that claimed to talk to dead people and
> convinced audience members that he was communicating with their loved
> ones. I forget exactly where I was when I saw it (on television that is,
> and it was years ago), but I could not believe that some people believed
> this guy.
"Crossing Over" starring John Edward.
Jim
Bill T
That's so discouraging. If I wasn't already an atheist I would change my
religion.
none
Would you even know where to get it?
risky biz
What difference does it make, goofy ass person?
_______________________________________________________________________�
risky biz
> Was that Edgar Cayce dancing on the dark side of Carl Jung
> again, like Johnny Chan, or the trio in magic and deadly
> arts; Amarillo Slim [suspected pedophile...or was that
> convicted pedophile]? - Doyle Brunson & - Sailor Roberts
> team, and/or, alcoholic Brunson Jr,, Ed Norton, Mike the
> Mouth, Pablo Escabar, Phil Helmuth team, and/or the underage
> wet behing the ears and arrogant subgroups of modern day
> psychology, like "the crew?" ah ha ha h aha ha
Edgar Cayce? WTF, are you, like, 89 years old or something? Didn't you get
your Cream of Wheat today?
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Paul Popinjay
>
> It's no more preposterous than believing in a god, or heaven or hell,
> or karma, or omens, or fate/destiny, or any other of a number of
> nonsensical belief systems people have. If it weren't for gullibility,
> there'd be no churches.
>
Apples and oranges. You just lumped believing in God with, believing in
heaven or hell or karma or omens or fate or destiny. All of the latter may
very well be just human beliefs, but believing that there is a God or a
higher power that created the universe is just common sense. We observe,
that there is order to everything, from the biggest to the microscopic, and
if anything is nonsensical it is NOT believing that there is a "God", a
higher power, an intelligence, or something. One does not have to believe
in any of that other stuff, but if one does not believe there is a God, in
light of all the obvious evidence, one really has to be a fucking idiot.
Clave
<...>
> All of the latter may very well be just human beliefs, but believing that
> there is a God or a higher power that created the universe is just common
> sense...
BZZZZZT!!!
PopTard doesn't understand the world he lives in, therefore it must have
been "caused" by something he can worship.
What's wrong with you people?
Jim
Paul Popinjay
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>
> BZZZZZT!!!
>
> PopTard doesn't understand the world he lives in, therefore it must have
> been "caused" by something he can worship.
>
> What's wrong with you people?
>
Gee, that's strange, fuck face, I just looked back at my comments and I
don't see jack shit about worshipping anything. Don't you
understand English? I said that it is just common sense, and OBVIOUS, that
there is some intelligence to our creation, because there is ORDER to
everything. How the fuck did that happen? By accident? Huh, you fucking
idiot? You think it just happened? By accident? Ha ha ha ha, what a
fucking maroon. Get the fuck oudda here, Clave. Yeah, I know, you're into
computers and stuff, but you're like one notch up from Jerry Sturdivant.
And that's pretty stupid, stupid.
Clave
> "Clave" <ClaviusNo...@cablespeed.com> wrote in message
> news:hhpqm5$1jd$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
>>
>> BZZZZZT!!!
>>
>> PopTard doesn't understand the world he lives in, therefore it must have
>> been "caused" by something he can worship.
>>
>> What's wrong with you people?
>>
>
>
Strange is you wasting all those electrons on li'l ol' me, and dodging your
own point at the same time.
Jim
Paul Popinjay
>
> Strange is you wasting all those electrons on li'l ol' me, and dodging
> your own point at the same time.
>
Who's the dodger here, fuck face? Like I said, you're barely one step up
from Jerry Sturdivant. And everyone on this newsgroup knows that Jerry is
one of the biggest phonies in all of RGP history. It's like an affirmation
of the theory of evolution. Jerry's fins turned into legs, and you walked
out of the ocean. An upright sea slug. An upright LYING sea slug.
Clave
> "Clave" <ClaviusNo...@cablespeed.com> wrote in message
> news:hhprpm$q0m$1...@news.eternal-
>>
>> Strange is you wasting all those electrons on li'l ol' me, and dodging
>> your own point at the same time.
>>
>
>
> Who's the dodger here, fuck face?
You.
Again.
Jim
susan
It's the fear of those who want to believe differently than themelves that
is ridiculous. My sisters 90 year old motherinlaw takes great comfort in
going to church every single day, and yet the poster other wise known as
Peg*Smith* fears someone that can be that happy with her life as it is. I
have no clue what is one the other side, if there even is another side, but
this bashing of believers shows the true character of the bashers.
none
<snicker>
Beldin the Sorcerer
"susan" <hotd...@charter.net> wrote in message
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Oh that's bullshit.
Belief in something illogical isn't a cause for fear, it's a cause for pity.
It becomes fear when you act not only illogically but also dangerously
because of that belief.
>
>
Patrick Karl
You may be onto something here. But where did the God that created the
universe come from? It seems you have only created a bigger problem,
rather than explained the origin of the universe.
James L. Hankins
"Patrick Karl" <jpk...@gmaiil.com> wrote in message
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> You may be onto something here. But where did the God that created the
> universe come from? It seems you have only created a bigger problem,
> rather than explained the origin of the universe.
Is belief in God any less rational than believing that everything in the
universe was condensed in a tiny ball about 14 billion years ago and
exploded? Where did the ball come from? What was in the space beyond the
ball (if there was space beyond it)? Were there other balls? If so, where
did they come from? Why did the one that contained our universe explode?
Etc.
A God-belief system does create problems, as you say, but none more profound
than those created by hard science (and even theoretical physics).
Jerry Sturdivant
"susan" <hotd...@charter.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Paul Popinjay" <paulpo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:hhpq6g$mv5$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> "Peg Smith" <pegsm...@aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:hd30k5h020hdbl5ni...@4ax.com...
>>
>>>
>>> It's no more preposterous than believing in a god, or heaven or hell,
>>> or karma, or omens, or fate/destiny, or any other of a number of
>>> nonsensical belief systems people have. If it weren't for gullibility,
>>> there'd be no churches.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Apples and oranges. You just lumped believing in God with, believing in
>> heaven or hell or karma or omens or fate or destiny. All of the latter
>> may very well be just human beliefs, but believing that there is a God or
>> a higher power that created the universe is just common sense. We
>> observe, that there is order to everything, from the biggest to the
>> microscopic, and if anything is nonsensical it is NOT believing that
>> there is a "God", a higher power, an intelligence, or something. One
>> does not have to believe in any of that other stuff, but if one does not
>> believe there is a God, in light of all the obvious evidence, one really
>> has to be a fucking idiot.
> It's the fear of those who want to believe differently
> than themelves that is ridiculous.
It's not odd that you would use the word, fear. It's fear of an afterlife
that drive you people into believing, 'just in case.' Knowing there is no
afterlife RELIVES me of fear.
> My sisters 90 year old motherinlaw takes great comfort in going to church
> every single day, and yet the poster other wise known as Peg*Smith* fears
> someone that can be that happy with her life as it is.
Can you explain why one would fear somebody that's comfortable?
> I have no clue what is one the other side, if there even is another side,
> but this bashing of believers shows the true character of the bashers.
You'll find the bashing, is self defense. Defense against those that force
us to comply with your religious based rules; and your insults (like this
one).
I actually find humor in believers. Look at the extraordinary lengths the
religious go to in fighting the thought that when they're dead, that's it.
Egyptians had elaborate burial rituals in order to be 'ready for the
afterlife.' The Chinese that built statues of horses and soldiers to protect
themselves in the afterlife.
You laugh at it now, but you're simply the modern version of what was the
modern version then. You actually believe you'll 'float up' and be in a
heaven. And that if you don't say you believe it, a possible god might send
you to a possible hell. So you play Pascrell's Wager.
If I had to go for an illusion; I'd at least pick the one that promised 72
virgins.
Jerry 'n Vegas
risky biz
> "Patrick Karl" <jpk...@gmaiil.com> wrote in message
> news:hhqcpe$1lp$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
>
> > You may be onto something here. But where did the God that created the
> > universe come from? It seems you have only created a bigger problem,
> > rather than explained the origin of the universe.
>
>
> Is belief in God any less rational than believing that everything in the
> universe was condensed in a tiny ball about 14 billion years ago and
> exploded? Where did the ball come from? What was in the space beyond the
> ball (if there was space beyond it)? Were there other balls? If so, where
> did they come from? Why did the one that contained our universe explode?
> Etc.
Maybe God has balls.
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Paul Popinjay
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>
> You may be onto something here. But where did the God that created the
> universe come from? It seems you have only created a bigger problem,
> rather than explained the origin of the universe.
Apparently we aren't supposed to be able to figure it out, maybe, so how the
fuck do I know? Hey look, no one is saying that God looks like George Burns
sitting on a cloud playing a harp. But whoever or whatever or however this
whole thing was created, even if there was no beginning, one has to admit
that it was put together pretty intelligently. Hey, I couldn't have done
it.
Paul Popinjay
news:hhq9tm$tna$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> Oh that's bullshit.
>
> Belief in something illogical isn't a cause for fear, it's a cause for
> pity.
> It becomes fear when you act not only illogically but also dangerously
> because of that belief.
>
Beldin, no one gives a shit about what you think on this topic. Not the
people who believe in God, and not the people who don't. I couldn't help
but notice that you did not have even one reply when you posted a merry
Christmas post, nor when you posted a happy new year post. Not ONE person
returned the good wishes. Face it, Beldin, you are genuinely disliked on
this newsgroup. Go away. We all hate you.
none
Many of you have given no indication whatsoever that god may
be nothing, or anything but peace, love, all knowing, all
seeing, and perfect, [which can't even really be explained
in the human realm], however, there are numerous available
ancient texts, in every so-called "religion,"
which do support the power of love, neighborliness,
kindness, forgiveness, the result of their applied
principles, and many other fruits of the spirit of God,
which are indeed accessible to mankind should they desire,
and therefore
applicable to any topic, IF only discovered, acknowledged as
truthful and applied!
Patrick Karl
> "Patrick Karl" <jpk...@gmaiil.com> wrote in message
> news:hhqcpe$1lp$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
>
>> You may be onto something here. But where did the God that created the
>> universe come from? It seems you have only created a bigger problem,
>> rather than explained the origin of the universe.
>
>
> Is belief in God any less rational than believing that everything in the
> universe was condensed in a tiny ball about 14 billion years ago and
> exploded?
Yes, as there is physical evidence for the big bang.
Where did the ball come from?
We don't know. We have no evidence for where it might have come from.
Before the discovery of dark matter and dark energy, it was assumed that
the universe would eventually succumb to the pull of gravity and
condense into a ball again. In those days, one could imagine that this
big bang/condensation process went on forever. Current evidence doesn't
allow this. According to current observations and theory, the universe
will continue expanding forever.
What was in the space beyond the
> ball (if there was space beyond it)?
As I understand it, there was no space beyond it.
Were there other balls?
We don't know. We have no evidence that there were other balls. Some
physicists speculate, but without evidence it's much like believing in a
Creator.
If so, where
> did they come from? Why did the one that contained our universe explode?
> Etc.
Why did the chicken cross the road.
>
> A God-belief system does create problems, as you say, but none more profound
> than those created by hard science (and even theoretical physics).
I don't see that. There is evidence. We ratiocinate about this
evidence. If new evidence appears, we alter our ratiocinations to agree
with the new evidence.
There isn't a quark's worth of evidence that there is a God.
risky biz
Here's something which could prove irreplaceable in your continuing
speculations:
http://tinyurl.com/ykh2b7x
____________________________________________________________________�
Paul Popinjay
>
> There isn't a quark's worth of evidence that there is a God.
>
There's an INFINITE amount of evidence, that there was intelligent design in
the creation of it all. It's all around you, moron. Why did the laws of
physics have to be laws in the first place? Why couldn't they follow some
other direction? There's no explanation for ANY of it. Our very existence
is unbelievable, yet we do exist. You're just a typical brainwashed liberal
who has a hard-on for religion and who wallows in his own arrogance. It
just eats your ass that you might not be the smartest mutherfucker in the
universe so you dismiss the obvious and this way you can justify your own
shallowness and emptiness.
Deadmoney Walking
> On Dec 30 2009 11:30 PM, Howard Beale wrote:
>
> > My mother absolutely LOVES that stuff. Years ago she used to call the
> > on the Boardwalk and she'd always want to go in. Last time I told her ok
> > but you can only spend $20. After 10 minutes she comes out and says that
> > for the psychic to do what she wants (put a curse on her sister-in-law, I
> > swear) it would be $150 more and she had that pleading look so I said ok.
>
> > 20 minutes later she comes out w/ a piece of cardboard with designs on it
> > shaped like a shoe insert. The instructions were to put it in her shoe,
> > walk on it for a week, send it back to the psychic who would then burn it
> > w/ a curse. Mom was happy as could be, well worth the money to see her so
> > pleased.
>
> > Howard Beale
>
> Interesting family you have, Howard.
>
> -----
> looking for a better newsgroup-reader? -www.recgroups.com
Last summer we walked by the one near Pacific Ave and got solicited.
We argued about whether they were fronts for prostitution, but I guess
people already pay them for cardboard.
Clave
> "Patrick Karl" <jpk...@gmaiil.com> wrote in message
> news:hhr6us$jmr$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
>>
>> There isn't a quark's worth of evidence that there is a God.
>>
>
>
> There's an INFINITE amount of evidence, that there was intelligent design
It never ceases to amaze -- the number of people there are who insist that
their faith is the same thing as knowledge.
Jim
James L. Hankins
> We don't know. We have no evidence for where it might have come from.
> Before the discovery of dark matter and dark energy, it was assumed that
> the universe would eventually succumb to the pull of gravity and condense
> into a ball again. In those days, one could imagine that this big
> bang/condensation process went on forever. Current evidence doesn't allow
> this. According to current observations and theory, the universe will
> continue expanding forever.
Forever into what? This makes sense to you?
> As I understand it, there was no space beyond it.
And this makes sense to you?
> We don't know. We have no evidence that there were other balls. Some
> physicists speculate, but without evidence it's much like believing in a
> Creator.
That doesn't address my point (none of what you posted does). Not making
leaps without evidence is good science, with which I agree. I was
illustrating that, even with all we know, the mysteries of the universe grow
greater rather than get simpler.
The explanations that we have for it all, based on what we know now, are no
more rational than a creator-based belief system. The fact that you feel
belief in one of the other must involve supportive facts does not make this
any less so.
> Why did the chicken cross the road.
Why, indeed.
>> A God-belief system does create problems, as you say, but none more
>> profound than those created by hard science (and even theoretical
>> physics).
>
> I don't see that. There is evidence. We ratiocinate about this evidence.
> If new evidence appears, we alter our ratiocinations to agree with the new
> evidence.
>
> There isn't a quark's worth of evidence that there is a God.
That's no exactly the point you were arguing. You stated that the other
mysteries that arise by a belief in God are problematic. I was just
pointing out that they are not more so than a belief system based on
science.
Your solution as a scientist to this problem is to simply not believe in
anything unless it is proven by evidence and facts, which is rational for a
scientist. Just close your eyes and maybe the questions will go away, or at
least they will hang there in the air until someone finds an answer to them.
Until then, you don't have to deal with them.
A belief system in God just provides such an answer based on faith. It's
not scientific, which is basically what your entire critique boils down to.
But that doesn't support your original charge.
James L. Hankins
> Why did the chicken cross the road.
Here ya go:
Peg Smith
<jhan...@cox.net> wrote:
>That doesn't address my point (none of what you posted does). Not making
>leaps without evidence is good science, with which I agree. I was
>illustrating that, even with all we know, the mysteries of the universe grow
>greater rather than get simpler.
What's wrong with that? What's wrong with saying, "I don't know,"
until we do know? Why make up fairy stories instead?
Peg
James L. Hankins
> What's wrong with that? What's wrong with saying, "I don't know,"
> until we do know? Why make up fairy stories instead?
I don't see anything wrong with saying, "I don't know." Its' probably the
most prudent course.
Personally, I've drifted away from a concept of "God" as presented at church
or in the Bible, but still, when I contemplate the universe I come away
feeling that it is not likely that it is all random. That might be just
human ego in that I need somehow to consider myself and my fellow man more
important than we actually are, but it is almost impossible for me to look
at the sky and the Hubble pictures of the vastness of the universe and think
that it all just happened in some random way. Poof! It all just appeared?
I just intuitively believe there has to be more to it (even while
recognizing that there might not be).
Do I need a fairly tale to believe in? No (although technically speaking,
the believers of today are not making up fairy stories, we are believing
fairy stories made up by others hundreds of years ago. :)))
I am a Roman Catholic and attend Mass because I like the majesty of the
service, and the fact that, in contrast to Protestants, Roman Catholics
believe that "good works" are required in addition to faith (i.e., we
actually have to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, etc. rather than just
say that we accept Christ as our savior).
I think Christ is worthy of worship because the message he preached brought
him no personal gain (was in fact difficult for him and his followers),
helped others, and gives me some comfort about my own mortality.
Is it all bullshit? Maybe. Who knows. I like to think it's not.
risky biz
> "Peg Smith" <pegsm...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:3ue2k5pfn5cge8hpd...@4ax.com...
>
> > What's wrong with that? What's wrong with saying, "I don't know,"
> > until we do know? Why make up fairy stories instead?
>
>
> I don't see anything wrong with saying, "I don't know." Its' probably the
> most prudent course.
>
> Personally, I've drifted away from a concept of "God" as presented at church
> or in the Bible, but still, when I contemplate the universe I come away
> feeling that it is not likely that it is all random. That might be just
> human ego in that I need somehow to consider myself and my fellow man more
> important than we actually are, but it is almost impossible for me to look
> at the sky and the Hubble pictures of the vastness of the universe and think
> that it all just happened in some random way.
That's exactly why it's much less likely to have happened by design. We're
here to speculate that some superior consciousness created everything
exactly because our consciousness is the end result of a random series of
events. If the end result had been something that couldn't form those
thoughts it would all be, quite obviously, an irrelevant and meaningless
mass of reality. But there wouldn't be anyone to realize it. Nor would it
matter.
> Poof! It all just appeared?
> I just intuitively believe there has to be more to it (even while
> recognizing that there might not be).
>
> Do I need a fairly tale to believe in? No (although technically speaking,
> the believers of today are not making up fairy stories, we are believing
> fairy stories made up by others hundreds of years ago. :)))
>
> I am a Roman Catholic and attend Mass because I like the majesty of the
> service, and the fact that, in contrast to Protestants, Roman Catholics
> believe that "good works" are required in addition to faith (i.e., we
> actually have to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, etc. rather than just
> say that we accept Christ as our savior).
>
> I think Christ is worthy of worship because the message he preached brought
> him no personal gain (was in fact difficult for him and his followers),
> helped others, and gives me some comfort about my own mortality.
>
> Is it all bullshit? Maybe. Who knows. I like to think it's not.
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Paul Popinjay
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>
but it is almost impossible for me to look
> at the sky and the Hubble pictures of the vastness of the universe and
> think that it all just happened in some random way. Poof! It all just
> appeared? I just intuitively believe there has to be more to it (even
> while recognizing that there might not be).
>
What gets me is not just the information they have learned about the stars
and galaxies of the universe, but what about the "universe" they have
discovered in the tiniest of organisms and living cells? It's amazing what
their "telescopes" have found inside a single living cell.
Seriously, I don't want to sound rude, but anyone who does not believe that
there is an intelligence behind all of this has got to be a fucking idiot.
Paul Popinjay
news:744817x...@recgroups.com...
If the end result had been something that couldn't form those
> thoughts it would all be, quite obviously, an irrelevant and meaningless
> mass of reality. But there wouldn't be anyone to realize it. Nor would it
> matter.
>
But this fits YOU!
risky biz
I guess you didn't take time to read that "guileless as a dove" part, did
you?
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risky biz
"It�s exciting to me to live in a time where people don�t have to pretend
to believe in fairy tales in order to keep from being killed by mobs.
Well, it hasn�t quite spread to American politicians but I�d lay odds
Obama doesn�t believe in the man with the beard even if it would be
political suicide to admit it. The community of winning poker players is
full of atheists. It's tough to be a winning poker player if you like to
believe in magic instead of reality."
http://www.brodietech.com/liontales/blog.htm
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James L. Hankins
> That's exactly why it's much less likely to have happened by design. We're
> here to speculate that some superior consciousness created everything
> exactly because our consciousness is the end result of a random series of
> events. If the end result had been something that couldn't form those
> thoughts it would all be, quite obviously, an irrelevant and meaningless
> mass of reality. But there wouldn't be anyone to realize it. Nor would it
> matter.
But we are here to form those thoughts. I don't see what good it does
hypothesizing as you do above. I recognize that it's possible that we
formed by accident on this planet, and that all the other planets and matter
in the universe just formed by a natural process of some sort without a
creator guiding it. It could have happened that way.
But if I was a betting man (which, of course, I am), I would bet there is
more to it. But I can admit that I don't know.
BTW, stop posting as the fake pickle. It's irritating. Pickle is a decent
enough guy. He does not deserve that.
Paul Popinjay
>
> I guess you didn't take time to read that "guileless as a dove" part, did
> you?
>
What do you want from me, numb nuts? I run a casino, that's all, I'm not a
freaking philosopher.
Paul Popinjay
>
> "It's exciting to me to live in a time where people don't have to pretend
> to believe in fairy tales in order to keep from being killed by mobs.
> Well, it hasn't quite spread to American politicians but I'd lay odds
> Obama doesn't believe in the man with the beard even if it would be
> political suicide to admit it. The community of winning poker players is
> full of atheists. It's tough to be a winning poker player if you like to
> believe in magic instead of reality."
> http://www.brodietech.com/liontales/blog.htm
>
What's this supposed to do for me? I don't give a fuck what Brodie thinks
about God. I hope St.Peter checks Brodie's blog before the final decision
is made. "Uhh, hold it right there, baldy, just where do you think YOU'RE
going?"
Oh, and for what it's worth, Brodie, God INVENTED probability, you dumb
mutherfucker. Says so, on Popinjay's blog!
Clave
<...>
> Oh, and for what it's worth, Brodie, God INVENTED probability, you dumb
> mutherfucker. Says so, on Popinjay's blog!
Are you saying that if there were no god, two plus two would not equal four?
Seriously?
Jim
Steam
and make us better people and better poker players to boot.
Now we're finally getting somewhere.
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risky biz
I'm not asking you to walk on water.
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risky biz
I'm not posting as fake pickle and he does deserve it because he's a low,
slandering, hypocritical bitch.
risky biz
> "risky biz" <risk...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:eg5817x...@recgroups.com...
>
> >
> > "It's exciting to me to live in a time where people don't have to pretend
> > to believe in fairy tales in order to keep from being killed by mobs.
> > Well, it hasn't quite spread to American politicians but I'd lay odds
> > Obama doesn't believe in the man with the beard even if it would be
> > political suicide to admit it. The community of winning poker players is
> > full of atheists. It's tough to be a winning poker player if you like to
> > believe in magic instead of reality."
> > http://www.brodietech.com/liontales/blog.htm
> >
>
>
> What's this supposed to do for me? I don't give a fuck what Brodie thinks
> about God. I hope St.Peter checks Brodie's blog before the final decision
> is made. "Uhh, hold it right there, baldy, just where do you think YOU'RE
> going?"
I thought you'd be interested in his comment since you've posted about him
before. This guy loves telling everyone in the world about his
freespending, sybaritic lifestyle. I can just imagine him with a pitchfork
in his ass while the flames lick up around his neck.
> Oh, and for what it's worth, Brodie, God INVENTED probability, you dumb
> mutherfucker. Says so, on Popinjay's blog!
You have a blog? Where? Maybe I can do all my posting there.
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Paul Popinjay
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Yes, I'm serious. I don't joke around about shit like this.
And by the way, that should be an upper case "G", especially on Sunday, you
fuck. You and Brodie are going to have a good time together down there.
Clave
> "Clave" <ClaviusNo...@cablespeed.com> wrote in message
> news:hhrr1c$3ds$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> "Paul Popinjay" <paulpo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>> news:hhrqik$glk$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>
>> <...>
>>
>>> Oh, and for what it's worth, Brodie, God INVENTED probability, you dumb
>>> mutherfucker. Says so, on Popinjay's blog!
>>
>> Are you saying that if there were no god, two plus two would not equal
>> four?
>>
>> Seriously?
>>
>
>
> Yes, I'm serious. I don't joke around about shit like this.
The hell you say.
So your God [sic] could just arbitrarily decide he's tired of seven being a
prime number and suddenly it's not?
That's one wicked cool god you got there, I must say, and with what I've
read of his Torah-era adventures, I'm surprised he didn't smite the Hebrew
and Egyptian mathematicians in just that way.
Jim
Paul Popinjay
>
> So your God [sic] could just arbitrarily decide he's tired of seven being
> a prime number and suddenly it's not?
>
I don't know if He could do that now, but he certainly could have in the
beginning. Why not?
Clave
> "Clave" <ClaviusNo...@cablespeed.com> wrote in message
> news:hhs5bt$fce$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
>>
>> So your God [sic] could just arbitrarily decide he's tired of seven being
>> a prime number and suddenly it's not?
>>
>
>
> I don't know if He could do that now
What's the disconnect? Does your definition of omnipotence change based on
how long ago the Big Bang was?
Suddenly your god isn't all that wicked cool.
> but he certainly could have in the beginning. Why not?
Yes, all things, no matter how fucking dumbassed, are indeed possible once
you've made The Leap.
Jim
Paul Popinjay
>
> Yes, all things, no matter how fucking dumbassed, are indeed possible once
> you've made The Leap.
>
Why is benzene benzene, and methane methane? All the carbon atoms are the
same. All the hydrogen atoms are the same. Can you say that the different
properties were not determined arbitrarily in the beginning? No, I don't
think you can. Either way, it was pretty clever the way it was all set up.
You couldn't have done it, dumb ass.
Clave
Yeah, seven being prime is pretty fucking "clever".
You get so childish when you're in over your head.
Jim