Salon's Paglia weighs in on healthcare bill
funky cold medina
Consider yourself warned, left or right, she's fairly consistent in
pissing off both sides.
Get 'em Camille! Snipped:
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"As for the actual content of the House healthcare bill, horrors!
Where to begin? That there are serious deficiencies and injustices in
the U.S. healthcare system has been obvious for decades. To bring the
poor and vulnerable into the fold has been a high ideal and an urgent
goal for most Democrats. But this rigid, intrusive and grotesquely
expensive bill is a nightmare. Holy Hygeia, why can't my fellow
Democrats see that the creation of another huge, inefficient federal
bureaucracy would slow and disrupt the delivery of basic healthcare
and subject us all to a labyrinthine mass of incompetent,
unaccountable petty dictators? Massively expanding the number of
healthcare consumers without making due provision for the production
of more healthcare providers means that we're hurtling toward a
staggering logjam of de facto rationing. Steel yourself for the
deafening screams from the careerist professional class of limousine
liberals when they get stranded for hours in the jammed, jostling
anterooms of doctors' offices. They'll probably try to hire Caribbean
nannies as ringers to do the waiting for them.
A second issue souring me on this bill is its failure to include the
most common-sense clause to increase competition and drive down
prices: portability of health insurance across state lines. What
covert business interests is the Democratic leadership protecting by
stopping consumers from shopping for policies nationwide? Finally, no
healthcare bill is worth the paper it's printed on when the authors
ostentatiously exempt themselves from its rules. The solipsistic
members of Congress want us peons to be ground up in the communal
machine, while they themselves gambol on in the flowering meadow of
their own lavish federal health plan. Hypocrites!
And why are we even considering so gargantuan a social experiment when
the nation is struggling to emerge from a severe recession? It's as if
liberals are starry-eyed dreamers lacking the elementary ability to
project or predict the chaotic and destabilizing practical
consequences of their utopian fantasies. Republicans, on the other
hand, have basically sat on their asses about healthcare reform for
the past 20 years and have shown little interest in crafting
legislative solutions to social inequities. The usual GOP floater
about private medical savings accounts is a crock -- something that,
given the astronomical costs of major medical crises, would be utterly
unworkable for families of even average household income.
International models of socialized medicine have been developed for
nations and populations that are usually vastly smaller than our own.
There are positives and negatives in their system as in ours. So
what's the point of this trade? The plight of the uninsured (whose
number is far less than claimed) should be directly addressed without
co-opting and destroying the entire U.S. medical infrastructure.
Limited, targeted reforms can ban gouging and unfair practices and can
streamline communications now wastefully encumbered by red tape. But
insurance companies and the pharmaceutical industry are not the sole
cause of mounting healthcare costs, and constantly demonizing them is
a demagogic evasion.
How dare anyone claim humane aims for this bill anyhow when its
funding is based on a slashing of Medicare by over $400 billion? The
brutal abandonment of the elderly here is unconscionable. One would
have expected a Democratic proposal to include an expansion of
Medicare, certainly not its gutting. The passive acquiescence of
liberal commentators to this vandalism simply demonstrates how
partisan ideology ultimately desensitizes the mind."
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da pickle
"funky cold medina"
> Link: http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/camille_paglia/
>
> Consider yourself warned, left or right, she's fairly consistent in
> pissing off both sides.
>
> Get 'em Camille!
Excellent commentary. It is a shame that the extremists will only see the
"other" end of the story.
risky biz
It's good to have an impartial, intelligent person like yourself around,
pickle, to tell us what others think before they think it. I'd guess that
about 70% of your posts send you further down the slippery slope of
insipidity.
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>> "funky cold medina"
>>
>> > Link: http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/camille_paglia/
>> >
>> > Consider yourself warned, left or right, she's fairly consistent in
>> > pissing off both sides.
>> >
>> > Get 'em Camille!
>>
>> Excellent commentary. It is a shame that the extremists will only see
>> the
>> "other" end of the story.
>
> It's good to have an impartial, intelligent person like yourself around,
> pickle, to tell us what others think before they think it. I'd guess that
> about 70% of your posts send you further down the slippery slope of
> insipidity.
Q.E.D.
risky biz
Demonstrated by your insipidity of implying that your opinions are the
rationally moderate ones. They aren't. They're picaresque and marginal, at
best, irrelevant, and . . . well, insipid.
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funky cold medina
> On Jan 5 2010 7:37 AM, da pickle wrote:
>
> > "risky biz"
>
> > >> "funky cold medina"
>
> > >> > Link: http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/camille_paglia/
>
> > >> > Consider yourself warned, left or right, she's fairly consistent in
> > >> > pissing off both sides.
>
> > >> > Get 'em Camille!
>
> > >> Excellent commentary. It is a shame that the extremists will only see
> > >> the
> > >> "other" end of the story.
>
> > > It's good to have an impartial, intelligent person like yourself around,
> > > pickle, to tell us what others think before they think it. I'd guess that
> > > about 70% of your posts send you further down the slippery slope of
> > > insipidity.
>
> > Q.E.D.
>
> Demonstrated by your insipidity of implying that your opinions are the
> rationally moderate ones. They aren't. They're picaresque and marginal, at
> best, irrelevant, and . . . well, insipid.
>
Why do you keep picking on Pickle? (No alliteration intended).
risky biz
Pickle slanderously accuses me of being Da Pickle No Spam which goes a
long way in accounting for my low opinion of Pickle.
Are you agreeing with his contention that anyone who disagrees with him is
"extreme"? And if I criticize that insipid pretention you consider it
"picking on him"? That's a little silly.
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funky cold medina
I noticed you seem to have it out for him on a level that goes a
little bit past the usual exchange of pleasantries here. I disagree
with Pickle on many things and sometimes his presentation can be
tiring, but he strikes me as a generous guy with a good heart, and not
stupid. We can all be a little insipid. Plus, he's always been
decent to me.
So he accused you of something that's pretty fucked up, and is
wrong... you're not the fake Pickle. Ahh. Ok.
Ok.
Travel A
you can well imagine how pissed-off "the people" are over this health
"care" disaster and communist takeover.
Nelson dropped to 30 points behind in the Nebraska polls over his
pay-off deal, and he's not even up for reelection until 2012.
When the people of a state are up in arms over a pork deal, you know
they realize the deal stinks bad; they don't like the blatant
corruption, specifically, and Obama's "commie care" in general.
Corruption/personal scandal is consistently a top issue with Independent
voters, and that's the vote that will throw-out the Democrats.
That's probably why they're Independents, they're the "we're sick of ALL
this shit" people. Well, the shit's in the White House and in the
majority in congress this time around.
Did you know that Martha Coakley, the Democrat nominee for Ted Kenedy's
senate seat (special election, Tuesday) is only ahead of the Republican
nominee by "single numbers". Rasmussen has The Republican candidate,
Baker, only behind by 9 points. That's unbelievable. This'll be the
upset of the century if the Democrat loses in a senate race in
Masachusetts.
risky biz
> On Jan 5, 10:36�ｿｽam, "risky biz" <risky-...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > On Jan 5 2010 10:47 AM, funky cold medina wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Jan 5, 9:43�ｿｽam, "risky biz" <risky-...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > > > On Jan 5 2010 7:37 AM, da pickle wrote:
> >
> > > > > "risky biz"
> >
> > > > > >> "funky cold medina"
> >
> > > > > >> > Link: �ｿｽhttp://www.salon.com/news/opinion/camille_paglia/
> >
> > > > > >> > Consider yourself warned, left or right, she's fairly
consistent in
> > > > > >> > pissing off both sides.
> >
> > > > > >> > Get 'em Camille!
> >
> > > > > >> Excellent commentary. �ｿｽIt is a shame that the extremists will
only see
> > > > > >> the
> > > > > >> "other" end of the story.
> >
> > > > > > It's good to have an impartial, intelligent person like yourself
> > around,
> > > > > > pickle, to tell us what others think before they think it. I'd
guess
> > that
> > > > > > about 70% of your posts send you further down the slippery slope of
> > > > > > insipidity.
> >
> > > > > Q.E.D.
> >
> > > > Demonstrated by your insipidity of implying that your opinions are the
> > > > rationally moderate ones. They aren't. They're picaresque and
marginal, at
> > > > best, irrelevant, and . . . well, insipid.
> >
> > > Why do you keep picking on Pickle? �ｿｽ(No alliteration intended).
> >
> > Pickle slanderously accuses me of being Da Pickle No Spam which goes a
> > long way in accounting for my low opinion of Pickle.
> >
> > Are you agreeing with his contention that anyone who disagrees with him is
> > "extreme"? And if I criticize that insipid pretention you consider it
> > "picking on him"? That's a little silly.
> >
> I noticed you seem to have it out for him on a level that goes a
> little bit past the usual exchange of pleasantries here. I disagree
> with Pickle on many things and sometimes his presentation can be
> tiring, but he strikes me as a generous guy with a good heart, and not
> stupid. We can all be a little insipid. Plus, he's always been
> decent to me.
>
> So he accused you of something that's pretty fucked up, and is
> wrong... you're not the fake Pickle. Ahh. Ok.
>
> Ok.
Are you the fake Pickle?
------�ｿｽ
risky biz
If is right.
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>
> Are you the fake Pickle?
>
> ------
I'm beginning to see Pickle's perspective, you are an annoying little
cunt ain't ya?
risky biz
> On Jan 5, 12:26�pm, "risky biz" <risky-...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >
> > Are you the fake Pickle?
> >
> I'm beginning to see Pickle's perspective, you are an annoying little
> cunt ain't ya?
Gee, I don't know why that bothers you so much when you think it shouldn't
bother me.
And, eat shit.
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funky cold medina
> On Jan 5 2010 1:35 PM, funky cold medina wrote:
>
> > On Jan 5, 12:26 pm, "risky biz" <risky-...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > > Are you the fake Pickle?
>
> > I'm beginning to see Pickle's perspective, you are an annoying little
> > cunt ain't ya?
>
> Gee, I don't know why that bothers you so much when you think it shouldn't
> bother me.
>
> And, eat shit.
>
You're annoying. I don't think many would dispute that, probably
including yourself? That is your comfort level, and you seem to feed
off of it and take some amount of satisfaction from it. A more
appropriate name would be Eddie Haskall. So be it.
And you misinterpreted my statement, which was simply saying that
being falsely accused is fucked up, I understand your irritation.
da pickle
And you misinterpreted my statement, which was simply saying that
being falsely accused is fucked up, I understand your irritation.
=========================
I am certainly not positive that the fake pickle is actually risky. He
certainly fits the bill.
Someone said they did the "search" and concluded it was he ... I do not know
how to do that sort of thing.
However, he acts the part. I never did anything to him but he seems to have
a "thing" for me. If the shoe fits and all that.
FL Turbo
It's quite a puzzle.
Personally, my first impression was that risky isn't smart enough to
pull off a semi-successful sock puppet impersonation like that.
I might have been mislead by my original impression of risky as a
Dumshit.
He does however demonstrate a certain basic animal cunning in his
posts.
I just can't decide.
funky cold medina
Be careful with that Pickle. Do your homework.
I'm a nobody on this board and in the poker community, so, yeah. Hard
for me to assign values to the people here. I think you're a good
person, a friend, and I'll probably bump into you on one of your LA
trips, and maybe BARGE. Hence I wondered why he had it in for you.
Risky seems like a porcupine, he likes to keep people at a distance
and stay in attack mode, and I got no problem with that in general.
It's not even my place, as someone new here and without a history, to
get involved. But, I think it's messed up to have someone stalking
you on the forum and posting under your name. Sheeesh. Hopefully
it's not Risky and you guys can lighten up.
Take care dude.
da pickle
Risky seems like a porcupine, he likes to keep people at a distance
and stay in attack mode, and I got no problem with that in general.
It's not even my place, as someone new here and without a history, to
get involved. But, I think it's messed up to have someone stalking
you on the forum and posting under your name. Sheeesh. Hopefully
it's not Risky and you guys can lighten up.
Take care dude.
==============================
I do not care for foul language and the back and forth "no you are" sorts of
exchanges. I sometimes fail to live up to my own standards for posting.
Sometimes, I fall into a sarchasm as well.
Risky cannot have a discussion "on the merits." There are others that seem
to have that same lack of intellectual curiosity.
Like I said, someone with better computer skills than I "said" that it was
risky and he has never provided any evidence that it is NOT he. If it
quacks like a duck and all that.
If risky would just reveal who he really is ... that would solve everything.
That he must hide from view is another point against him.
But I will resolve to lighten up with regard to risky in 2010 with the full
knowledge that he will not because he can not.
As for you, I look forward to that beer.
Pepe Papon
FWIW, I've always felt that the fake Pickle's and Risky's writing
styles are too dissimilar to make it likely that they're the same
person.
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funky cold medina
wrote:
>
> FWIW, I've always felt that the fake Pickle's and Risky's writing
> styles are too dissimilar to make it likely that they're the same
> person.
> --
> ~ Seth Jackson
>
Yep. I don't think it's him either.
Jerry Sturdivant
"Pepe Papon" <hitme...@mindspring.dot.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:cbv9k51jmeo7lohe5...@4ax.com...
>>Take care dude.
Have you every wondered WHY these people wish to remain anonymous?
Jerry 'n Vegas
funky cold medina
>
>
> I look forward to that beer.
Beer is good.
My resolutions for 2010 are....
1. killing all bullshit, cause god knows i've got too much of it going
on (offline)
2. <bullshit snipped>
da pickle
> Have you every wondered WHY these people wish to remain anonymous?
Why would risky want to remain anonymous? As frustrating as you are (and as
I am) to different people at different times, at least I know who you are
and you know who I am. I would happy to sit down with you and have dinner.
I am sure that you are an interesting person in many ways ... even though I
strongly disagree with much of your posting here.
It may be that risky is just silly on his own and is not the imposter. The
imposter is a child and not worthy of consideration. I would like to think
that risky was a good person at heart and he is only rude and obnoxious here
"because" he can be an anonymous nobody. Perhaps it is his way of blowing
off steam. It is hard to believe anyone could be really nice and find humor
in his on-line persona, but it could be.
da pickle
> FWIW, I've always felt that the fake Pickle's and Risky's writing
> styles are too dissimilar to make it likely that they're the same
> person.
> --
> ~ Seth Jackson
>
Yep. I don't think it's him either.
============================
Perhaps, I am making "being nicer" my new year's resolution. Should I just
killfile risky to keep myself safe? He follows me everywhere. I feel like
BillB!
funky cold medina
I don't know people here that well and am not qualified to give good
insight. And even if I did, I'm oblivious and ignore what's outside
of whatever I'm focusing on at the time. But, FWIW, if you want my .
02 --
Ehhhhhh. Do what you think is right. I don't think Risky is all that
bad or your impostor (could be wrong, but I don't think he is), a
little abrasive maybe, but very few here aren't (including me). Let
that shit work itself out and die.
In reference to your impostor, it kinda sucks... but I'd just take it
as flattering that someone is willing to go to that much trouble.
There are no 'funky cold medina' impostors, why don't I warrant that
kind of attention, huh? The regulars and the people you know are
aware and make the distinction. Blow it off.
And have a good 2010, as much as that may be possible with all this
shit in the world going on.
Jerry Sturdivant
"da pickle" <jcpickels@(nospam)hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:7pydndrt1u5...@giganews.com...
> "Jerry Sturdivant"
>
>> Have you every wondered WHY these people wish to remain anonymous?
> Why would risky want to remain anonymous? As frustrating as you are (and
> as I am) to different people at different times, at least I know who you
> are and you know who I am. I would happy to sit down with you and have
> dinner. I am sure that you are an interesting person in many ways ... even
> though I strongly disagree with much of your posting here.
>
> It may be that risky is just silly on his own and is not the imposter.
> The imposter is a child and not worthy of consideration.
These people lead boring, mundane, lives. School to job to marriage to kids
to mowing the lawn and taking out the garbage. Their form of entertainment
and excitement is living their lives, vicariously through people like you
and me. They sat in the grandstands drinking beer and watched people like us
racing around the track. Or they sit on their couch and watch us on TV, or
read about us in the news or sporting section. We're their 'reality TV.'
They come here and make up what they never did. It's called lying. You'll
note they challenge people like you and me: "Prove it!" They're so used to
hiding behind their anonymity and lies, they expect others to be lying.
Ask who THEY are and they quietly pull their heads back in their shell and
slowly crawl off.
Jerry (living) 'n Vegas
Jerry Sturdivant
"da pickle" <jcpickels@(nospam)hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:SK6dnbPg792...@giganews.com...
Don't make it about the messenger. Make it the message.
Jerry (counting) 'n Vegas
da pickle
> Don't make it about the messenger. Make it the message.
Good advice. We could all use a dose of that.
da pickle
It would appear that you, Jerry, are starting off the new year quite
pleasantly. I hope I can do as well myself.
Nice recap. Serious, thoughtful and reasonable. Nice.
I hope you had a fantastic holiday season.
(Now, if I could get Beldin to stop with the "shitheads" and take a more
mature approach to posting ... that would be nice as well. I really do not
"dislike" anyone that posts regularly. Perhaps it is my own approach that
needs some work. We'll see how well we all do this year. Those of us that
care about such things, of course. It is very easy to slip into a really
mode sometimes. "They made me do it" is not much of an excuse.)
Travel A
da pickle
> God! I hope this shit doesn't go much longer.
No matter ... I hope you had a wonderful holiday season and have nothing but
happiness in the new year.
Pepe Papon
<michael....@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Jan 6, 6:05�am, "da pickle" <jcpickels@(nospam)hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I look forward to that beer.
>
>Beer is good.
God is great, beer is good, people are crazy.
Pepe Papon
<jcpickels@(nospam)hotmail.com> wrote:
>It may be that risky is just silly on his own and is not the imposter. The
>imposter is a child and not worthy of consideration.
I suppose it would be annoying to have an impostor that never goes
away, but I should point out that the impostor is not really a true
impostor. It's easy to distinguish his posts from yours, as the
screen name he posts with has a clear difference.
Pepe Papon
<jcpickels@(nospam)hotmail.com> wrote:
>(Now, if I could get Beldin to stop with the "shitheads" and take a more
>mature approach to posting ... that would be nice as well.
I've tried. Resistance is futile.
Travel A
I wrote:
God! I hope this shit doesn't go on much longer.
Pickel wrote:
No matter ... I hope you had a wonderful holiday season and have nothing
but happiness in the new year.
I wrote:
Stop it Pickel, you're making me sick.
You're not a nice guy, Pickel. You're a rotten bastard who lives for the
subtle-snark. That's why you're here.
Turd is a miserable, mean-spirited, lying cocksucka.
You're not normal people. It's like watching The Adams Family thinking
that the're regular people
To witness you two pretending that you are normal, in the most cloyingly
and ostentatious fashion, is just too hideous and painful to read.
da pickle
> God is great, beer is good, people are crazy.
Amen!
da pickle
> I suppose it would be annoying to have an impostor that never goes
> away, but I should point out that the impostor is not really a true
> impostor. It's easy to distinguish his posts from yours, as the
> screen name he posts with has a clear difference.
True
da pickle
It would be nice if you would get a real computer. But Happy New Year
anyway.
risky biz
> On Jan 5, 12:26�pm, "risky biz" <risky-...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >
> > Are you the fake Pickle?
> >
> I'm beginning to see Pickle's perspective, you are an annoying little
> cunt ain't ya?
Funky Cold Pimpina
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> On Jan 5 2010 1:35 PM, funky cold medina wrote:
>
> > On Jan 5, 12:26 pm, "risky biz" <risky-...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > > Are you the fake Pickle?
>
> > I'm beginning to see Pickle's perspective, you are an annoying little
> > cunt ain't ya?
>
> Funky Cold Pimpina
>
Risky, will you be my impostor? I'll let you wear my letterman's
jacket.
da pickle
> > > Are you the fake Pickle?
>
> > I'm beginning to see Pickle's perspective, you are an annoying little
> > cunt ain't ya?
>
> Funky Cold Pimpina
>
Risky, will you be my impostor? I'll let you wear my letterman's
jacket.
========================
He is really enjoying my "Member's Only" jacket.
Travel A
Hey Pickel, here's what your buddy Jerry Sturdivant wrote about Webtv. I
guess he's talking about you.
From the archves:
.................................................
Dec., 3 2009
"Mistress of Tilt" <BeaFor...@msn.com> wrote in message
news:e80fa0e1-5f48-4132...@v7g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 3, 12:25 pm, da pickle no spam <jcpick...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> WebTV? ? ?
>> lol................ Since you love her so much maybe she’ll
buy you a
>> real computer for Xmas.
> WebTV is great! Easy to use, great newsgroup reader, no viruses, best
> monitor in the house, cheap, and nothing better than internet porn on
> a 52 inch wide screen LCD television. Stop being a snob.
I wonder why someone would sink to ridicule because another uses Web TV?
Inexpensive, economical, easy to use and serves its purpose.
Jerry 'n Vegas
- Always use tasteful words. You may have to eat them.
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