Bicycle Casino: Ridiculous Rule ("Stupidest thing I've ever heard")
Perry Friedman
Today in the WTP $5,000 event the floor ruled and announced to the whole
room that in No Limit tournament at the Bike, there is a a rule that,
get this:
a bet and three raises is a CAP in NO LIMIT!
Can anyone tell me another casino in the world that has a CAP in NO LIMIT?
The situation actually came up TWICE at my table!
First time:
UTG raises with KK
UTG+1 reraised with QQ
UTG+2 reraised with AA
UTG says "all in"
UTG+1 goes to fold and the dealer tells UTG that the pot is CAPPED!
The floor is called and there is much hullabaloo. The floor confirms
the rule. A second floor is called and they too confirm it. A third
floor (I forget his name, but he is the one who eventually announced
it to the whole room) comes over and I explain to him that no place in
the world that I know of has a cap in NL. He says something "This is a
tournament, and TDA rules say there is a bet and three raises."
I offered to bet my LIFE, versus a dollar, that that was not what TDA
rules said. Jim Miller, who was playing at a table next to me, offered
to back me! I offered to look up the TDA rules online for the fllor.
He insisted that all tourneys at the Bike are played that way and
always have been. I asked to see the rule in writing. He came back
later, made an announcement to the table that that was the rule at the
Bike, regardless of what TDA rules said, and that was the end of it
and there would be no more discussion. He never produced anything in
writing with the rule.
The funny thing was, I was not even involved in the hand, but it
tilted me so much, it really affected my game for the next hour, and
in fact, probably through the time I busted. I made a poor decision
on my bustout hand where I could have gotten away from the hand...
but oh well.
At one point, Mike Paulle having heard the discussion, said
"The might be the stupidest thing I've ever heard." When pressed
on his hedge of "might be" he said he couldn't think of anything
more stupid!
Can anyone tell me if they have
a) ever played at another casino that had a bet and three raises be a
cap in NL
b) ever heard that ruling made in a NL tournament AT THE BIKE
Perry
thenutlow
I played in a tourney in estonia 2 years ago that had the same rule.
Funnily enough, they didnt get anyone back the next year.
> b) ever heard that ruling made in a NL tournament AT THE BIKE
No comment on that.
> Perry
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Jon Eaton
I'm almost positive when I played this event last year this rule was not
being enforced. I don't remember any specific examples (though I might go
back to the DVD of the final table and check to see if there was any 4th
raises), but I am fairly certain one MIGHT have come up at my table. This
was a pretty unreal hand...
UTG opens the pot, next to act raises, Tom Lee moves all-in on a medium
stack. I'm fairly certain UTG had him covered and moved in over the top.
Next to act called, UTG had AA second to act KK and Tom Lee QQ (with one
queen left after I folded Q8). 1 outter hit.
No one said a word then. And I don't remember hearing the rule stated at
any point either.
Thanks for the information. I'll be down there tomorrow to cover the rest
of the event, wish you were still in.
Jon
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Perry Friedman
The AA had had AA back to back in recent hands, got action both times,
and won both (first time he was all in and crippled someone, next hand
the same guy goes all in and gets finished off).
Back to the AA KK QQ:
QQ mucks.
KK is Pete Lawson. He declares "All in DARK on the flop."
AA declares "Call DARK on the flop."
The both begin to turn over their cards, but the dealer (correctly)
rules that they must wait until he deals the flop!
The flop comes out, they flip over the KK and AA. Miracle K comes
on the river and AA is gone.
Perry
In article <1vrau2x...@recgroups.com>,
Perry Friedman
- You can "hack a Shaq" in NL
Suppose you have the Grinder at your table with a big stack and he's
raising every pot. You have the first 3 players UTG each min raise
every hand and now he's shut out from raising!
- The following hand came up:
Andy Bloch raises from UTG.
Mid position reraises.
Late position reraises, and fumbles with some chips and ends up
betting less than he claimed he wanted to. But regardless, he has
now blocked Andy from reraising the mid-position player! Andy ended
up folding, but had he had a real hand there, he would not have been
able to reraise.
I can't wait to see the leadin to the WPT where the explain NL Hold'em
when the Bike episode airs:
"In No Limit Holdem, a player can go 'All In' at any time... well,
unless there has already been a bet and 3 raises..."
Perry
In article <deudcl$b4b$1...@xenon.Stanford.EDU>,
Jon Eaton
so he had put in a 4th raise. I know this to be true because the very
next pot, the UTG AA player was all-in for the blind. He lost, and
someone showed trips. He turned over... AA! Back to back aces cracked
for his whole stack.
Jon
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Rich Shipley
> Today in the WTP $5,000 event the floor ruled and announced to the whole
> room that in No Limit tournament at the Bike, there is a a rule that,
> get this:
> a bet and three raises is a CAP in NO LIMIT!
>
> Can anyone tell me another casino in the world that has a CAP in NO LIMIT?
I had an argument on the late Tropics Poker with a guy who said that he
ran a cardroom and this was the standard rule (obviously wrong). I think
he was also associated with the site as it had that rule also. I have
heard of it at least one other time, so it appears to be a (bad) house
rule in a few places.
Rich
David Nicoson
> Can anyone tell me if they have
> a) ever played at another casino that had a bet and three raises be a
> cap in NL
> b) ever heard that ruling made in a NL tournament AT THE BIKE
Excalibur has this rule in their cash NL game. It's stupid there, too.
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brewmaster
by QQ, then reraised by KK, I am limited to just calling? I can't go
all-in? I've played a bunch of tournaments at the Bike and I've never
heard of this before. That completely changes the game. Not sure I want
to play at the Bike again now....
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Pete S
cash games.
"brewmaster" <a1...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
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PMJackson21
Unless by common, you mean rare, then yes in that case, it's very
common. :-)
Patrick
Perry Friedman
>I believe a cap on the number of raises is common in NL TOURNAMENTS but not
>cash games.
For some value of "common" between 0.0 and 0.1 percent.
Perry
Howard Treesong
I'll be at the Bike this afternoon, wielding my massive $5650 chip
stack. If you'd find it helpful, I'll weigh in with the TD on this
point.
-Howard Treesong
paulyballs
> I believe a cap on the number of raises is common in NL TOURNAMENTS but not
> cash games.
Common? Where do you play?
Email: paul.panus...@gmail.com
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rzitup
rule that says what they are alluding, but it has a rule that would
indicate the exact opposite:
# In limit events, there will be a limit to raises, even when heads-up.
(The limit will be the house limit.) Once the tournament becomes head-up
the rule does not apply.
The fact that the TDA rule specifies 'Limit" means specifically that there
is no limit to the number of raises in NL (or PL).
On Aug 29 2005 12:27 AM, Perry Friedman wrote:
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now 5 peoples lives vs $5 that that guy is an idiot.
~Dorian Black
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Tad Perry
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>
> Today in the WTP $5,000 event the floor ruled and announced to the whole
> room that in No Limit tournament at the Bike, there is a a rule that,
> get this:
> a bet and three raises is a CAP in NO LIMIT!
What a dumb floorman.
Separately: you tilted?! That's funny.
(Why can't people just admit their wrong, when their wrong? What's with all
the angry ego defenses?)
tvp
qqqxxxyyyzzz2000
wrote:
>(Why can't people just admit their wrong, when their wrong? What's with all
>the angry ego defenses?)
>
>tvp
Thanks for the spit take all over my monitor.
Tad Perry
news:o397h1dji2t0lav66...@4ax.com...
Their, their, don't get all worked up over it.
tvp
bchen...@charter.net
would have never made that call... :)
I was at the bike early in the event....sorry I missed you.....I'll be
in Vegas in December....see you then I hope...
Bev
TD Lowball
frie...@xenon.Stanford.EDU (Perry Friedman) wrote:
> BTW, among the absurdities induced by having a cap are the following:
> - You can "hack a Shaq" in NL
> Suppose you have the Grinder at your table with a big stack and he's
> raising every pot. You have the first 3 players UTG each min raise
> every hand and now he's shut out from raising!
I've played in PL games with a cap, very typical for the EP players to
make small min bets/raises to prevent late position players from making
big raises. It's a bad rule, but three raises is enough to get all
in/pot commited anyways.
TD Lowball --
qqqxxxyyyzzz2000
wrote:
>"qqqxxxyyyzzz2000" <qqqxxxyy...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:o397h1dji2t0lav66...@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 12:06:15 -0700, "Tad Perry" <tadp...@comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >(Why can't people just admit their wrong, when their wrong? What's with
>all
>> >the angry ego defenses?)
>> >
>> >tvp
>>
>> Thanks for the spit take all over my monitor.
>
>Their, their, don't get all worked up over it.
>
>tvp
>
You don't understand what I meant, do you?
Ben
I just want to know how you got your hand to talk like that on last
night's wsop....
that was some funny shit, thanks.
Ben
Roger Nullset
not seen that ruling before. In fact, I am absolutely positive that I
have seen some hands in a NL-Tourney that had more than three raises
(one was a set over set over set after the flop).
Stan Gosnell
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Does no person in the entire English-speaking world know the difference
between there, their, and they're?
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Regards,
Stan
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." B. Franklin
bchen...@charter.net
Something to keep in mind re: most of the posters here.....there not
aware that they're choice of spellings doesn't work their.
:)
pltrgyst
>Does no person in the entire English-speaking world know the difference
>between there, their, and they're?
Well, since you seem to think that you do, perhaps their English is as flawed as
your logic.
Think about it.
-- Larry
Ben
There - a point of reference, as in "over there"
Their - showing possession, as in "their cards"
They're - contraction meaning they are
it's pretty simple, I hope it helps. Good luck in your learning....
Ben
Q
Perry Friedman wrote:
> Today in the WTP $5,000 event the floor ruled and announced to the whole
> room that in No Limit tournament at the Bike, there is a a rule that,
> get this:
> a bet and three raises is a CAP in NO LIMIT!
>
Perry,
I was played there and could not believe what I heard! It's an
oxymoronic no-limit rule made by moronic people!
Can you contact(I have not been successful at reaching anyone) Mike
Sexton/WPT Executives to prohibit such a rule on the WPT circuit?!...
Imagine how the viewing public would react if the hand you described
came up and the Bike's rule is that you can no longer bet no limit in a
no limit game anymore!... Imagine this occurring at a final table with
millions of dollars at stake!
I spoke with Chris Fergeson and Mike Paulle and they said that they had
never heard of such a rule... ANYWHERE AT ANYTIME! Chris commented
"this changes the whole game!"
My thoughts are identical to yours!
May the "Card Gods" be with you!
Q
Stan Gosnell
@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
Thank you. Now can you explain (its/it's, your/you're, too/to/two, 's as a
plural), etc?