Insulting Unlucky Shooters
Leslie Wells
Ranch (gorgeous casino, by the way), and the fellow next to me always
bet "across" (Is that the right name for that? -- He bet all the place
numbers).
What struck me though was that he would provide a concise critique of
each shooter as soon as the shooter sevened-out, exclaiming either
"Good shooter!" or "Bad shooter!" seemingly to himself but loudly
enough for all the table to hear.
The table was fairly crowded, and I left before the dice were passed
to me, so I never got evaluated by him, but it struck me that being
called "bad shooter!" would be like having salt poured into your
wounds after a quick seven-out. Why would anybody do that? Is there
some superstition associated with that, or was he just being mean?
Could he have been trying to chase the "bad shooters" away? Has
anybody else seen this?
Leslie
HBianco
love it when this player gets the dice and also 7's out early. The people who
do get overly mad should take a break from the dice game for a while or just
bet when he shoots and curse at himself when he sevens out.
The Midnight Skulker
> quickly.
Foxwoods, about five years ago. I was two left of the stick and had
just got the dice. As I made my comeout roll a guy who looked like he
had just gotten off a pirate ship of old approached the player between
me and the stick, an apparent buddy of his, and related a tale of woe as
to his lack of success at the tables. I established a point and the new
arrival throws down $1800 (or some such) across and squeezes between me
and his buddy. (BTW, Leslie, you were correct: "across" usually means
all of the point numbers except the Line point, but it can also include
the Line point.) I sevened-out immediately, and as the pirate departed
he exclaimed, "Where do they get there [explitive deleted] shooters?!"
I gathered from the conversation between pirate and friend that the
player already at the table, and who remained at the table, was down
only a little (and was down a little more after my performance). His
main bet was to buy the 4 for something like $300. The next time I got
the dice I had a fairly decent hand, which included several 4's. I was
sorely tempted to mention to the non-pirate to be sure to mention to his
buddy that the [explitive deleted] shooter had gotten him out with a
profit, but I took the better part of valor.
El Dorado, Reno, about seven years ago. This one isn't exactly on
topic, but it's close. I was two or three right of the stick and had
made four passes. When I sevened-out trying for my fifth pass a guy
straight out right, who moments earlier had gone two and out, unleashed
a harangue about the way I throw the dice complete with a demonstration
of how I should have thrown them. I am embarrassed to admit that I
stood there with my mouth full of teeth trying to think of a witty
rejoinder that would maintain whatever harmony remained, but when the
guy stomped off a few minutes later I regretted not going with my first
thought.
Me: So you're saying I should throw the dice like you do, Sir?
Guy: Yeah! (Demonstrates "proper" technique again.)
Me: Two and out?
Guy: Yeah! ... What?
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| The Midnight Skulker
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> I can't stand it when a player curses the shooter who seven's out quickly. I
> love it when this player gets the dice and also 7's out early.
A couple of years ago a guy I know who's a regular player at the same
boats I frequent got pissed off when I sevened out - I'd been throwing
the dice for maybe fifteen minutes - had made a pass or two and hit
some good numbers. But he was slow to press and by the time he got
his bets loaded up the roll was over. Anyway, he gave me this
go-to-hell look and told me the seven showed because I kept throwing
the dice into the hook. A couple of minutes later he got the dice and
went point-seven. I simply repeated back to him what he's said to me,
telling him the seven had shown because he threw the dice straight
down the middle. That was the last word I ever heard out of him.
BigJMP
couldn't catch a good shooter to save my life. When all was said and done, I
reached my loss limit for the trip, which was pretty depressing, as I'd never
come close to it on any of my other trips.
Over the last few sessions I had, it seemed that every shooter would set a
point, then seven out immediately. Since I place lots of numbers, the losses
added up extremely quickly, and I was getting quite frustrated.
While I believe that I did curse the weather patterns (a storm was coming in,
and it had suddenly gotten noticably more humid), the phase of the moon, and
the local water supply, I never blamed any of the other players at the tables,
the dealers, or the waitresses.
The only time I will get on a shooter's case is when they have the dice in
their hand, then wait for another player to make additional bets. If a player
holds their bets until the last second, AFTER the dice are out, they don't
deserve to get their bets placed. If the player sticks their hand on the table
after the dice are out, they deserve to get hit. If everyone waited, the game
would never move on.
When I'm shooting, I've had such slow players bitch at me for throwing the dice
while they were still placing chips on the table. The dealers have always
backed me up, especially since I consistently throw the dice as soon as they're
in front of me. It always amazes me how many players seem to think that the
time to place their bets is after the dice move...
-JMP
John Kerr
man:). When someone comments negatively about my shooting, I just smile
and say.."hey, the dice are preset at the factory, and I have no way to
change that!" Just ignore the "farts"!
JB
Sanity is boring, guard closely that bit of insanity that allows you to
see what sanity hides from view!
Duane
If You can't be good, Be Quick !
> > I can't stand it when a player curses the shooter who seven's out
> > quickly.
Russ
had just one craps table. I stepped up to play a bit, there were about 5
people playing. The table was frigid, which ran off everyone but me (I'm a
Don't player). The crew and I stood around bored for about 5 minutes (ever
stand at a dead craps table? 5 minutes is forever). Anyway, I decided to
throw the dice rather than just stand there. I put a buck down for the
dealers on the DP and my usual $5 DP, with double odds, and two DC bets,
same odds. I'd never shot from the Don't, it seemed weird! But, the table
remained cold, and I couldn't hit a point to save my life (thank goodness).
Since the dealers were on the line, they were cheering me on.
Well, in the middle of one of my rolls, this guy walks up and buys in. They
stopped the game because he dropped 2K on the table. He ordered up most of
it across, along with the point, without even looking at me. The dice were
sent down to me and just as I thew them, I saw him look at my bets and his
face froze. Sure 'nuff, the 7 pops up first throw and he loses his buy in,
while I win $45 and the dealers rake in $2.
The guy screamed profanities at me and the dealers for what seemed like 5
minutes (ever stand at a dead craps table getting screamed at? 5 minutes is
forever LOL). Being a Don't player, I kept my poker face on and just
looked at him. The dealers got flustered though, and they shut the table
down for a while.
Brett370
table about with about 5 people on it. We waited until it was our turn to roll
the dice then we put down a pass line bet, I rolled the dice, 8 was the point i
believe. Well some old man at the opposite end places all the numbers for a
good bit of change; my next roll a 7 hahaha. The old man got so pissed he
walked about halfway to us and spit. Good thing my girlfriend was there to
block me from getting hit hahaha. Anyway being the good natured guy I am I went
over to the gentleman pushed him down and made a big to do about it. (the
boxman,pit boss and dealers saw the spit) security was called the police came,
the old mans information was recorded, his picture taken and he was escorted
out of the casino and I was comped a dinner at the steak house, and an apology
was given to me through the mail!!! Now that was well worth my girlfriend
being spit on and I am hoping it happens again!!!!
To reply take NOSPAM out of my email address
John Kerr
inviting another trauma for you girl friend so you can enjoy a steak
dinner is out of my understanding.
Ed Burton
Brett370
just poking humor at the situation!!! JB I think you need to relax a bit,
gezzz!! Craps it's just a game, not a way of life!!!!!
John Kerr
wrong in that tendancy, but thats ok, I could fill volumes with my
"wrongs":).
redleathers
Great story Brett, thanks for sharing it. I do disagree with your
last statement though.
Many play craps following probability theory or "the law of averages"
and it is also his or her way of life too. It is their psychological
outlook of reality and they are in the majority. Because some events
or situations come up far less often than expected, they are
ill-prepared for these very good and very bad times and both miss
opportunities in life and suffer the consequences of unfortunate
events--both on and off the craps table.
As for insulting "unlucky" shooters, now that is something I just
can't understand. My brother and I hit an Ohio River boat and did
just great the other day. Both my brother's rolls just before me were
fairly quick seven-outs, and my first roll made some peanuts and then
seven. Just before I began rolling for my second time, I looked up
and saw some guy smirking and not betting a dime on me or my brother.
I just thought to myself "read 'em and weep" and proceeded to throw
some come out sevens, four passes, and the place bets. He never put a
bet out through all of this. I glanced up at him afterwards and he
looked at me like I had just stole HIS money! The guy next to my
brother said the guy had a big roll on another boat a few months back
and now he thinks that only he can roll 'em.
There will always be someone trying to pin the blame of their own
personal failings on others.
winnah 5
haunt who always like to "rate" shooters. If a shooter buys in big and bets
aggressively, he is going to be a hot shooter. However, a player who buys
in small, bets small and generally appears timid, he is tagged as a lousy
shooter. IMO, their assessment were no more than 50/50 accurate. It is
strictly superstition, like that old adage, "Dice on the floor, Seven at the
door".
-- winnah 5
Freddy Vegas
they suck, and still throw the dice. If you suck pass the dice ... don't get
your jollies at everyone else's expense. FreddyV
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