Retraction II
DGGRANT
woodwork! I have not seen this many con man aliases since they
forged all those votes for Con Man City! (A.K.A.
Rec.Gambling.Blackjack.Moderated). It is amazing how many aliases
these con men are using to try and plant false and fraudulent
testimonials on these newsgroups. Not to mention try and lie and con
the readers into believing they have before provided ANY address of
record which would allow my lawyers to serve them for malicious libel.
Of course, if they were even remotely sure of their libel, why would
they hide from a lawsuit? They can libel and hide and that is about
it. Prove anything? Naw never. Back up anything they say? Naw
never? All I hear is just more con man jargon spewed by dozens of
obvious fraudulent names....as usual.
Comon guys, stop hiding, you are making all these newbies send me
email agreeing with me that this newsgroup is replete with con men
trying to sell worthless systems and software to suckers.
We all know that card counting systems cannot win against real world
casinos, and that it is impossible for a poker player to overcome a
typical house rake...so stop the bull and just list an address in
which you can be served and I assure you that you will have your day
in court. (Email addresses cannot be used...so at least stop the con
man whines and try to back up at least ONE of your obvious malicious
libel statements.)
If we do not receive any verifiable addresses, then of course that is
an admission that everything I have posted on this newsgroup is true,
and everything the con men have posted is a lie.
Doug Grant (Tm)
Snootch
Booooo hooooo
I feel so Bad!
Dougie please forgive me
Why did your card counting school close? Maybe you are the con man
By the way, did you get that gun yet?
Snootch (Tm)
John Harkness
It doesn't matter how many times I see the act, it just keeps getting
funnier and funnier.
John Harkness
(Fuckbrain's cross-postings removed)
On Wed, 07 Feb 2001 19:16:04 GMT, "DGGRANT" <dgg...@worldnet.att.net>
wrote:
DGGRANT
said he would back it up....but no, all we see is more hiding and
dodging and whining. Pathetic.
Doug Grant (Tm)
"John Harkness" <j...@attcanada.ca> wrote in message
news:3a81924a....@nntp.attcanada.ca...
Doug Grant
hoping that the 15 day countdown meant that Doogie would quit posting in
order to allow us to put our thoughts together and pour out our contrite
confessions. Oh well.
Doug Grant (8,000-1 can't be wrong)
Miz...@webtv.net
"Wow! Have you ever seen so many con man aliases spew from the woodwork!
"
Doogie,
Just how many Usenet groups did you post your retraction demand on?
I found your demand on groups that you do not post to on a regular
basis, such as the alt. gambling groups as well as the rec.gambling
groups. Web tv's discuss list 16 groups that discuss gambling.
Mizz Tie (TM)
"This will allow me to own more than one position, and consequently,
receive more than one share. I like that. "
From 1-2001, a classic Doug Grant (Tm) statement
Stacy Friedman
to rec.gambling.craps:
> We all know that card counting systems cannot win against real world
> casinos, and that it is impossible for a poker player to overcome a
> typical house rake
...
Doug,
Please stop cross-posting into the rec.gambling.craps newsgroup. Your
arguments about card counting or the house rake don't apply to craps.
Most people in rec.gambling.craps know you can't EVER beat the house
edge with just a betting system, and just in case they don't, we've got
Mason and me to disabuse them of that notion. Please, no more posts
about card counting in the craps newsgroup.
In the spirit of on-topic-ness,
Stacy
--
"For certainly, if any occasion will justify it, none is so worthy of
excuse as this one. In my own case, when it seemed to me after a long
illness that death was close at hand, I found no little solace in
playing constantly at dice." -- Girolamo Cardano, 1563
Sent via Deja.com
http://www.deja.com/
wayn...@my-deja.com
Stacy Friedman <stacy_f...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "DGGRANT" <dgg...@worldnet.att.net> wrote, in a message cross-
posted
> to rec.gambling.craps:
> > We all know that card counting systems cannot win against real world
> > casinos, and that it is impossible for a poker player to overcome a
> > typical house rake
> ...
>
> Doug,
>
> Please stop cross-posting into the rec.gambling.craps newsgroup. Your
> arguments about card counting or the house rake don't apply to craps.
>
>
> Stacy
Yes, and while you're at it, please stop cross-posting this stuff
on rec.gambling.bocciball too. There is NO house "edge" in bocci,
and "card-counting" does not apply to our game.
Angered & Disappointed- Germaine
Bing
wrote:
> Wow! Have you ever seen so many con man aliases spew from the
> woodwork!
49 replies so far in ar.g.bj to your Retraction post.
> Comon guys, stop hiding, you are making all these newbies send me
> email agreeing with me that this newsgroup is replete with con men
See? This is part of Doogie's problem. He posts a message,
there are 49 replies to it, and he declares that everyone
is hiding from him! He doesn't seem to use the English
language like the rest of us do.
Someday I'd like to see all these "newbies" that constantly
flood Doogie's email box with letters of praise.
> If we do not receive any verifiable addresses, then of course that is
> an admission that everything I have posted on this newsgroup is true,
> and everything the con men have posted is a lie.
Not at all. Take a course in logic someday. Oh, and bring
a camcorder to class. I think we'd all get a chuckle at
the debates between you and the professor over what is
logical and what is not.
Besides, I thought this retraction/lawsuit thing was all
about trolling the newsgroups for people to list in your
lawsuit instead of "John Doe." Now it seems to be about
proving or disproving everything you've said.
-- Bing Monopoly Expansion Set
Visit us at http://www.paxentertainment.com
beando...@my-deja.com
wayn...@my-deja.com wrote:
> Yes, and while you're at it, please stop cross-posting this stuff
> on rec.gambling.bocciball too. There is NO house "edge" in bocci,
> and "card-counting" does not apply to our game.
> Angered & Disappointed- Germaine
HAHAHA another bocci ball system huckster alias in high con!
Incidentally, I think there is a house rake in bocci, and it is used to
level the playing field...
wayn...@my-deja.com
Gees, how do they keep seeing through all my aliases...? I thought
I was being pretty sneaky & obfuscatory. And No I am NOT a
huckster... I would never consider... Ok, well maybe I am... please
send $24.95 for my pamphlet "Earn An Income For Life From Bocciball!!",
c/o Germaine, Sandusky, Ohio.
DGGRANT
I Wonder Why?
If you have not noticed all of the dozens of aliases the two or three
con men are using, then you should prepare yourself for a shock. At
last count, we counted more than 150 different fraudulent names these
system hucksters and casino agent con men have been using over the
past few years.
If you bother reading their posts, (I realize many of you do not as
your email frequently mentions) they use their fraudulent names to
post questions (then answer the questions themselves) and to plant
fake system testimonials. If you read any question about card
counting, or about some worthless book or even more worthless
software, you can be sure it probably came from one of the few con men
that have been using all of these different fake names.
Also you must be wondering why these con men are so afraid of a court
of law, or to reveal their true identities?
We know these con men cannot win playing the very systems they
constantly tout. Consequently, if they ever revealed their true
identities we could show the world they are just pathetic hucksters
trying to tout worthless systems and do not have a pot between them.
If these con men were real, don't you think they would have at least
collectively hired a lawyer or at least a mathematician to back up
their claims and false accusations? I even remember a couple of
lawyers (probably more con man aliases) offering to represent them for
free. So why are they hiding, and whine excuse after pitiful excuse
when I challenge them to simply back up their preposterous claims in a
legal arena . . . where obviously their libel and preposterous system
claims belong?
The con men hide because they know they are lying and conning the
readers of this newsgroup. If not, they would not hide. It is that
simple.
Do you really believe these con men would be posting here if they
could play and win in a casino? Do you really believe these con men
would spend so much time using so many fraudulent names to tout so
many known worthless systems and books and software if they could
*really* beat the casino at its own game? Do you really believe con
men like BingoBilly (who says he cannot win any money because he will
not leave the state of Colorado) giggle, snort, cannot only overcome
the house rake but beat all other poker players in the world without
even knowing how they play or ever meeting them before?
HEHEHEHEHEHEHE . . . (I am sorry I can't help it . . . these con men
are soooo pitiful . . . HEHEHEHEHEHEHE. )
Now how about the con men that run those "pay me to con you" chat
groups. You know those "chat groups" that tout all those "winning"
systems that for some reason NO ONE (including the con men that sell
them) can win any money with? Do you really think they would be
promoting these "pay me to con you" chat groups, replete with fake
testimonials, lies, and con man jargon, if the con men that were
selling such systems could really walk into ANY casino in the world
and beat the casino for the "big money" they claim can be won with
such worthless systems?
Most *rational* people know the casinos are not in the business to
lose money to patrons. That is why so many new casinos are being
built every year, and the shortest list in the world is composed of
*rich* Blackjack or Poker players. (Not to mention the idiots that
attempt to beat craps and the slots and poker machines . . . but they
really are too stupid to even mention.)
Casinos are in the business to make money off people stupid enough to
think they can actually end up winning playing their games. The
casino agents (system hucksters) are actually working for the casinos
and providing the casinos with a means to steer suckers into their
lairs. Why do you think you see all those casino advertisements in
Casino Player Magazine which is replete with card counting systems
every month, and why do you think the casinos send out card counting
systems to their patrons, and actually provide casino floor space,
dealers and tables so the hucksters can produce "how to count cards"
videos? Not to mention offer casino hotel space to Wong and Snyder
for their "card counting seminars" and hire Wong, Snyder and Curtis as
paid consultants whenever some poor player decides to sue the casinos
for cheating. (Such as occurred in the Campione vs. Adamar case in
which Wong, Snyder and Curtis all showed up working for the Tropicana
casino.)
It is easy to connect the system hucksters to the casinos . . . a
simple task that is made even easier by all these fake name posts that
seem to appear whenever anyone starts to tell the truth about
worthless card counting systems, or casino cheating.
Sure the system hucksters are playing the front men for the casino
industry. They do the fake advertising while the casinos feign fear
of their systems, meanwhile it is the casinos that are spending all of
the advertising dollars and promoting all the card counting and it is
the casinos that are reaping the lions share of the fraudulent dollars
generated by all these fraudulent system claims.
And if that is not enough, now we have a brand-new con that has
surfaced along with the Internet. These "Cyber" system hucksters are
offering free access to how to purchase "winning" systems on their
home pages. This "sucker bait" is designed to lure gamblers into
their home pages, and thereby provide email addresses for the
casinos. Not to mention allowing the system hucksters the opportunity
to sell some more worthless software or systems to their sucker
clients.
Not until discovery is complete will we know how deep the connection
between the casinos and the con men exists, but it is laughable to
attempt to claim that no connection exists....almost as laughable as
all these con man aliases trying to claim they are different people.
If anyone tells you they have a system that can beat the casinos
(especially card counting) then that person is either (1) a con man or
(2) an idiot or (3) both.
Doug Grant (Tm)
"Doug Grant" <dfg...@nospamo.islandnet.com> wrote in message
news:dfgrant-817652...@news.islandnet.com...
DGGRANT
newsgroup...for more information in that regard please read the
following.
I Wonder Why?
Doug Grant (Tm)
<Miz...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:606-3A8...@storefull-161.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
DGGRANT
means that poker is a negative expectation game to all that play
it...in craps it is the built in house percentage that turns that game
into a negative expectation game....see the similarity?
Moreover, if ALL individuals on rec.gambling.craps already know that
it is impossible to beat the game, then why are there individuals
touting worthless crap systems on that newsgroup? Also, who is
"Mason?" You certainly cannot be talking about someone that works for
Arnold Snyder telling the truth about anything? Are you? (I received
a telephone call from someone that identified himself as "Mason" some
years back threatening me and wailing and whining about me posting the
truth in respect to Arnold Snyder secretly working for the
casinos...is that the same "Mason" you are talking about?)
Craps is a negative expectation game. You cannot beat that game with
any system. It is pointless to try. It is pointless to play a known
losing game....that is unless you are an idiot. It is equally
pointless to try and censor me....that is unless you are an idiot.
Doug Grant (Tm)
"Stacy Friedman" <stacy_f...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:95segd$69o$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
DGGRANT
I Wonder Why?
Doug Grant (Tm)
<wayn...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:95sl30$ckg$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
DGGRANT
I Wonder Why?
Doug Grant (Tm)
<beando...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:95slmo$d5r$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
DGGRANT
I Wonder Why?
Doug Grant (Tm)
<wayn...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:95smfg$dq6$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
DGGRANT
"Bing" <bi...@paxentertainment.com> wrote in message
news:3a81d891...@news.fu-berlin.de...
> On Wed, 07 Feb 2001 19:16:04 GMT, "DGGRANT"
<dgg...@worldnet.att.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Wow! Have you ever seen so many con man aliases spew from the
> > woodwork!
>
> 49 replies so far in ar.g.bj to your Retraction post.
>
> > Comon guys, stop hiding, you are making all these newbies send me
> > email agreeing with me that this newsgroup is replete with con men
>
> See? This is part of Doogie's problem. He posts a message,
> there are 49 replies to it, and he declares that everyone
> is hiding from him! He doesn't seem to use the English
> language like the rest of us do.
BingoBilly hides his real idenity, as do the rest of the con men, then
he claims he is "not hiding."
Weeeooooooo. (I think this con man believes the rest of the world is
as mentally defficient as he is.)
>
> Someday I'd like to see all these "newbies" that constantly
> flood Doogie's email box with letters of praise.
I said I received email agreeing with me that this newsgroup is
replete with con men. Bingo posts what I said above, and then (in
the same post) claims I said "I was receiving letters of
priase"...Weeeeooooooooooo. (Dimwitted and one limb short of a tree
may be too much of a mental complement for this con man.) Bingo you
have been caught lying to the group again...naughty naughty....you
must go to bed without your medication tonight.
> > If we do not receive any verifiable addresses, then of course that
is
> > an admission that everything I have posted on this newsgroup is
true,
> > and everything the con men have posted is a lie.
>
> Not at all. Take a course in logic someday. Oh, and bring
> a camcorder to class. I think we'd all get a chuckle at
> the debates between you and the professor over what is
> logical and what is not.
If you are afraid to back up your libel in a legal arena, where
EVIDENCE is necessary, then obviously you are hiding and lying.
Logical? To sane people of course. To Bingo? Weeeeoooooooooooo.
>
> Besides, I thought this retraction/lawsuit thing was all
> about trolling the newsgroups for people to list in your
> lawsuit instead of "John Doe." Now it seems to be about
> proving or disproving everything you've said.
Huh? I think you drooled all over your keyboard on that one Bingo.
You must have been thinking about all those State borders you keep
bouncing off of to stop you from winning any money. Heh. It is
important that I post an opportunity for all that libeled me to post a
retraction....however I never expected to really receive one...you con
men are too arrogant for that. But, the lawyers said I had to post
it, so I did. Do with it what you will....se ya in court.
Doug Grant (Tm)
wayn...@my-deja.com
"DGGRANT" <dgg...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> Naw, I was just referring to all of the aliases that were used on this
> newsgroup...for more information in that regard please read the
> following.
>
> I Wonder Why?
>
> If you have not noticed all of the dozens of aliases the two or three
> con men are using, then you should prepare yourself for a shock. At
> last count, we counted more than 150 different fraudulent names these
> system hucksters and casino agent con men have been using over the
> past few years.
I am using hundreds of aliases, just all by myself.
Best, Bertha
wayn...@my-deja.com
This is a little off the subject, but does anyone know what the
betting line is on the Kings/Timberwolves game tonight?
Just Curious, Dorothy
Rusty Martin
<dgg...@worldnet.att.net> writes:
> I have not seen this many con man aliases since they
>forged all those votes for Con Man City!
Yes, there were a lot of aliases when you forged all those votes for rgb.mod.
For anyone intersted in a classic Duh-g moment, go to...
http://www.posev.com/rgbm/vote.txt
There you will find all the ballot box stuffing Duh-g did, including all these
votes that were invalidated for fraudulent voting:
Adib...@aol.com Adib Hanna
! Apparent fraud
AinoT...@aol.com AINO TOMSON
! Apparent fraud
Ang...@aol.com Angela Fiks
! Apparent fraud
AntsT...@aol.com Ants Tomson
! Apparent fraud
AnVa...@aol.com Mary Ann Vardzal
! Apparent fraud
ArSch...@aol.com Erica Schwerin
! Apparent fraud
AusM...@aol.com Ausma Paeglis
! Apparent fraud
Aver...@aol.com Jean Aversa
! Apparent fraud
Aver...@aol.com Jim Aversa
! Apparent fraud
Barb...@aol.com Barbara Bond
! Apparent fraud
Barry...@aol.com Barry Bond
! Apparent fraud
Bart1...@aol.com Bart Rose Sr.
! Apparent fraud
BartJ...@aol.com Bart Rose Jr.
! Apparent fraud
Bill...@aol.com Bill Hawkins
! Apparent fraud
BMK...@aol.com Blanche M. Krah
! Apparent fraud
Bud...@aol.com Mildred Conover
! Apparent fraud
Craw...@aol.com Neil Giavara
! Apparent fraud
Crawd...@aol.com Thomas Warner
! Apparent fraud
Crawd...@aol.com Phyllis Rosenblatt
! Apparent fraud
Craw...@aol.com Robert Edward
! Apparent fraud
Craw...@aol.com Steve Rosenblatt
! Apparent fraud
Dan...@aol.com Dan N
! Apparent fraud
Denis...@aol.com Denise Rose
! Apparent fraud
DFor...@aol.com Dennis Foreman
! Apparent fraud
dgg...@worldnet.att.net Douglas Grant Von Reiman
! Invalidated for ballot distribution
DgTe...@aol.com Douglas Telman
! Apparent fraud
DHoc...@aol.com Diane Hockenberry
! Apparent fraud
Dida...@aol.com Dino D'Andrea
! Invalidated for ballot distribution
Dufus...@aol.com Charles Holley
! Apparent fraud
Dufus...@aol.com Michael Warner
! Apparent fraud
Dufus...@aol.com Joanne Warner
! Apparent fraud
Dufus...@aol.com Kristine Tice
! Apparent fraud
Dufus...@aol.com James Tice
! Apparent fraud
DVal...@aol.com Dolores Valancy
! Apparent fraud
ECla...@aol.com Eugene Clauser
! Apparent fraud
FCas...@aol.com Francis Casieri
! Apparent fraud
FKle...@aol.com Lori Klee
! Apparent fraud
Fpi...@aol.com Frank Pinciotti
! Apparent fraud
FrD...@aol.com Frank Delia
! Apparent fraud
GeK...@aol.com George E. Krah
! Apparent fraud
Gene...@aol.com Donna Miserendino
! Apparent fraud
Hat...@aol.com G Hassan Hattina
! Apparent fraud
JBin...@aol.com Jason Bintliff
! Apparent fraud
JCla...@aol.com Mark Clark
! Apparent fraud
JiPin...@aol.com Jim Pinciotti
! Apparent fraud
JMac...@aol.com James MacElroy
! Apparent fraud
JMih...@aol.com Jeremy Mihalyo
! Apparent fraud
JoCu...@aol.com Robert Curran
! Apparent fraud
JoPi...@aol.com John Pinciotti
! Apparent Fraud
JPa...@aol.com Stanley Paras
! Apparent fraud
JScio...@aol.com Joseph Scioscia
! Apparent fraud
KaDwy...@aol.com karen dwyer
! Apparent fraud
Kah...@aol.com Joanne Kahney
! Apparent fraud
Ken...@aol.com Kenneth Fiks
! Apparent fraud
KenG...@aol.com Kenneth Gross
! Apparent fraud
KeWa...@aol.com Ken Warner
! Apparent fraud
KMel...@aol.com Kim Melucci
! Apparent fraud
Kpin...@aol.com Kathy Pinciotti
! Apparent fraud
LeJor...@aol.com Leroy Jordan
! Apparent fraud
LiTo...@aol.com Linda Tomson
! Apparent fraud
lswe...@hiwaay.net Leslie Sweeney
! Invalid ballot
LynnB...@aol.com Lynn Bohsen
! Apparent fraud
Lynn...@aol.com Lynn Rufo
! Apparent fraud
MaDA...@aol.com Eileen D'Andrea
! Apparent fraud
Merz...@aol.com Anna Rose
! Apparent fraud
Merz...@aol.com Patricia Rose
! Apparent fraud
Merz...@aol.com Joseph Rose
! Apparent fraud
Merz...@aol.com Joseph Rose Jr.
! Apparent fraud
Merz...@aol.com Charles Boone
! Apparent fraud
Mike...@aol.com Michael Bonn
! Apparent fraud
Miss...@aol.com Patricia M. Krah
! Apparent fraud
MRo...@aol.com Martin Rose
! Apparent fraud
MrtM...@aol.com Martin Malter
! Apparent fraud
Mulv...@aol.com Walter Boone
! Apparent fraud
Mulv...@aol.com Gloria Boone
! Apparent fraud
Mulv...@aol.com Theodore Jordan
! Apparent fraud
Mulv...@aol.com Karyn Johnson
! Apparent fraud
Mulv...@aol.com Donald Holland
! Apparent fraud
NaCe...@aol.com Nancy Cecora
! Apparent fraud
NetF...@aol.com Peter Dennis
! Apparent fraud
Pinc...@aol.com Diana Pinciotti
! Apparent fraud
RaCe...@aol.com Ralph Cecora
! Apparent fraud
RayC...@aol.com Raymond Cecora
! Apparent fraud
RCon...@aol.com Carol Conover
! Apparent fraud
ReMe...@aol.com Remo Melucci Jr.
! Apparent fraud
RiCe...@aol.com Rita Cecora
! Apparent fraud
Rich...@aol.com Richard Anderson
! Apparent fraud
RMel...@aol.com Remo Melucci Sr.
! Apparent fraud
RobR...@aol.com Robert Rose
! Apparent fraud
RolB...@aol.com ROLAND J BRYANT
! Apparent fraud
Roma...@aol.com Roman Kern
! Apparent fraud
RoP...@aol.com Yvonne Prout
! Apparent fraud
ROSE...@aol.com Michael Rose
! Apparent fraud
Ros...@aol.com Louisa Rose
! Apparent fraud
RosFr...@aol.com Rosemarie Francis
! Apparent fraud
SCata...@aol.com Steve Catalano
! Apparent fraud
ScCo...@aol.com suzanne conover
! Apparent fraud
ScMa...@aol.com Scott MacFarland
! Apparent fraud
SGeor...@aol.com Stavros Georgiou
! Apparent fraud
Sgk...@aol.com Stephen G. Krah
! Apparent fraud
Soni...@aol.com Sonia Pinciotti
! Apparent fraud
Stan...@aol.com Stan Wilson
! Apparent fraud
SteF...@aol.com Stephen Freel
! Apparent fraud
StH...@aol.com Ted Hockenberry
! Apparent fraud
TMel...@aol.com Teri Melucci
! Apparent fraud
TMih...@aol.com Tom Mihalyo
! Apparent fraud
Tom3...@aol.com Thomas Lotito
! Apparent fraud
ToTo...@aol.com Tom Tomson
! Apparent fraud
Upho...@aol.com Woody Uphouse
! Apparent fraud
ViS...@aol.com Vincent Salek
! Apparent fraud
WarD...@aol.com Warren Davenport
! Apparent fraud
WiStr...@aol.com Charles Strauss
! Apparent fraud
See what I mean? Doogie can't cover.
Rusty Martin
"Indeed, we are satisfied that the appellants have mischaracterized the facts."
"...the reshuffle is hardly secret as the dealer does it openly in the view of
the players."--3rd Circuit Court of Appeals, Justice Greenberg [Well duh! Doug]
Harvey Jay Cohen
"DGGRANT" <dgg...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> Wow! Have you ever seen so many con man aliases spew from the
> woodwork! I have not seen this many con man aliases since they
> forged all those votes for Con Man City! (A.K.A.
> Rec.Gambling.Blackjack.Moderated). It is amazing how many aliases
> these con men are using to try and plant false and fraudulent
> testimonials on these newsgroups. Not to mention try and lie and con
> the readers into believing they have before provided ANY address of
> record which would allow my lawyers to serve them for malicious libel.
>
> Of course, if they were even remotely sure of their libel, why would
> they hide from a lawsuit? They can libel and hide and that is about
> it. Prove anything? Naw never. Back up anything they say? Naw
> never? All I hear is just more con man jargon spewed by dozens of
> obvious fraudulent names....as usual.
>
Why would any sane person want to be involved with your
machinations? Of course no one has responed to you. Yes,
any of us so sued could counter sue, but I'm sure at this
stage in your existance, you are judgement proof. Thus you
are just a nuisance, and as such, should be, and is, ignorable.
> Comon guys, stop hiding, you are making all these newbies send me
> email agreeing with me that this newsgroup is replete with con men
> trying to sell worthless systems and software to suckers.
>
> We all know that card counting systems cannot win against real world
> casinos, and that it is impossible for a poker player to overcome a
> typical house rake...so stop the bull and just list an address in
> which you can be served and I assure you that you will have your day
> in court. (Email addresses cannot be used...so at least stop the con
> man whines and try to back up at least ONE of your obvious malicious
> libel statements.)
>
No one believes your venom, if anyone ever did. What you know and
don't know is irrelevant.
> If we do not receive any verifiable addresses, then of course that is
> an admission that everything I have posted on this newsgroup is true,
> and everything the con men have posted is a lie.
>
It is an admission of sanity only. What sane person would get
involved with you?
--
Harvey J. Cohen, Ph. D.
-------
God is a comedian playing to an audience that is afraid to laugh.
- Mark Twain
Harvey Jay Cohen
"DGGRANT" <dgg...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> I Wonder Why?
>
> If you have not noticed all of the dozens of aliases the two or three
> con men are using, then you should prepare yourself for a shock. At
> last count, we counted more than 150 different fraudulent names these
> system hucksters and casino agent con men have been using over the
> past few years.
>
Still talking in the royal we?
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Chris Oster
"DGGRANT" <dgg...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:5wlg6.337$Pg3....@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> Of course the house vig applies to craps!
That sound you just heard was the point whooshing far above Doogie's head.
--Chris
--
"'Tis better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and
remove all doubt."
--Abraham Lincoln
Remove "SPAMBEGONE" to reply.
Jeff Jetton
DGGRANT, dgg...@worldnet.att.net writes:
>If we do not receive any verifiable addresses, then of course that is
>an admission that everything I have posted on this newsgroup is true,
>and everything the con men have posted is a lie.
Well there's some fine logic for ya. "So if she weighs the same as a
duck... she's a witch!"
Anyway, isn't it the job of your "legal team" to get the addresses of the
people you intend to "serve"? I mean, why would you even have to ask that
sort of thing?
What a maroon.
- Jeff (super-secret con-man alias #42)
Ed Brizzolara
I am always me. Posts are with my real name. Am I the only one?
Watch out for this guy Bolick. He is posting using and signing your
name.
Big Ed
Ed Brizzolara
DGGRANT wrote:
>
> I Wonder Why?
>
>
I also wonder why Doug keeps bombing this, and other, newsgroups with
the same message over and over over again. Didn't someone complain last
time and get it stopped??
Big Ed
Long duplicate rant snipped.
Lester
Stop hiding in Canada. Show some testicular fortitude and back your claims
up. Stop using the f word in a USA newsgroup. USENET is not for vulgar
Canadians.
"John Harkness" <j...@attcanada.ca> wrote in message
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Stacy Friedman
> "DGGRANT" <dgg...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
>
> That sound you just heard was the point whooshing far above Doogie's
head.
>
> remove all doubt."
> --Abraham Lincoln
>
And for a brief, muddled moment I had forgotten why I stopped paying
attention to Doug in the first place. He has the world's best fact
filter - not one gets through. Abraham Lincoln couldn't have been more
right.
Long live R.G.B.M, and sorry for the interruption. Please continue
with your Doug-bashing.
-Stacy
DontKnow knows everything..
"DGGRANT" <dgg...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> email agreeing with me that this newsgroup is replete with con men
> trying to sell worthless systems and software to suckers.
And as I understand your history Mr Grant, you also tried to sell a
system for beating blackjack. And that at the present because of casino
rules it is now worthless.
> We all know that card counting systems cannot win against real world
> casinos,
And yet that is where you started. Ironic isn't it?
> and that it is impossible for a poker player to overcome a
> typical house rake...
Please, I'm tired of hearing that statement. If the amount of money in
the game REMAINS CONSTANT the rake will get more and more of it until
players stop playing (there could still be bigs winner outside of the
house and a bunch of broke players if the game stops). However IN
REALITY (a place that you don't exist, I'm afraid) the amount of money
in the game IS INFINITE and therefore a small percentage of players can
and do beat the rake. They can continue to get money from the majority
of the players and they will continue to make money that the house will
never see.
Doug, once you realize that critical fact, I may have to give you half
an ounce of credibility. But until you do, you have no credibility
what-so-ever.
> so stop the bull and just list an address in
> which you can be served and I assure you that you will have your day
> in court.
My address? Heaven. The whole of the universe. Your own brain even. I am
everywhere. I am everything. I am an alpha and an omega.
And I haven't made any statements to retract (oh wait, you'll probably
go after me for my humor post, huh? You're that sick from what I have
seen. Well, I'm sorry Mr Grant, but see a psychiatrist.)
> (Email addresses cannot be used...so at least stop the con
> man whines and try to back up at least ONE of your obvious malicious
> libel statements.)
The use of an E-mail address isn't a con-man game. I am a real person. I
have a real job (I'm not sure what you actually do for a living other
than try to con people out of money so that you can make frivolous law
suits.)
> If we do not receive any verifiable addresses, then of course that is
> an admission that everything I have posted on this newsgroup is true,
> and everything the con men have posted is a lie.
No, it is not an admission that everything you have posted is true. But
it may be a bunch of people recognizing that they don't need to let you
know anything.
--god
#include <legal.h>
#include <stddisclaimer.h>
> Doug Grant
ps. I have hereby declared your trademark on your own name to be invalid
and illegal. Please cease and desist from using it anymore.
:->
Bing
wrote:
> If you have not noticed all of the dozens of aliases the two or three
> con men are using, then you should prepare yourself for a shock. At
> last count, we counted more than 150 different fraudulent names these
> system hucksters and casino agent con men have been using over the
> past few years.
Oooh. See? I was right. Doogie does still claim that most
of the posts in this newsgroup come from 2 or 3 people
using 150 different aliases.
That should make clearing up that little lawsuit pretty
easy. All Doogie needs to do is list those 2-3 names
and he's done.
> If you bother reading their posts, (I realize many of you do not as
> your email frequently mentions) they use their fraudulent names to
> post questions (then answer the questions themselves) and to plant
> fake system testimonials.
This also shoots down the libel case. If Doogie testifies
that people write him and tell him they don't believe what
the con men post, no libel has been committed. In order
for libel to happen, third parties must believe what they
read.
> Also you must be wondering why these con men are so afraid of a court
> of law, or to reveal their true identities?
Why does anyone need to reveal their "true" identities? You
already claim to know everyone's real identity.
> Consequently, if they ever revealed their true
> identities we could show the world they are just pathetic hucksters
> trying to tout worthless systems and do not have a pot between them.
Uh, but you claim to do this already, without benefit of
knowing their identities.
> If these con men were real, don't you think they would have at least
> collectively hired a lawyer or at least a mathematician to back up
> their claims and false accusations?
Why?
Perhaps as a publicity stunt, someone might hire a lawyer
to prove, in court, that his system works. Otherwise, there
is no need. I see people publish cook books all the time
without hiring a lawyer to prove, in a court of law, that
the Chicken Almodine tastes yummy.
Courts of law do not exist to resolve debates between
private parties. They exist to correct injustices that
have been done.
> The con men hide because they know they are lying and conning the
> readers of this newsgroup. If not, they would not hide. It is that
> simple.
No one is hiding. Hiding, by definition, is staying out of
sight of another. The people that post here are, by definition,
not hiding.
You certainly can correctly claim that the people who DON'T
post here may be hiding from the truth. But whatever you
feel the people who DO post are doing, it certainly aint
hiding.
> Do you really believe con
> men like BingoBilly cannot only overcome
> the house rake but beat all other poker players in the world without
> even knowing how they play or ever meeting them before?
Sigh. Read my posts once in a while. I never have claimed
I can beat all the players in the world. I never claimed
I am better than all the players in the world. I do claim
that I am better than the players that I choose to play
against. Therefore, I win.
> Most *rational* people know the casinos are not in the business to
> lose money to patrons.
No kidding. That's why they legally pref shuffle on
players and install CSMs.
It's kind of amazing--staggering, really--that you would
readily admit that casinos aren't in the business to lose
money to patrons, but then the other side of your mouth
takes them to court for exactly that reason, namely that
they won't spread a game you can easily beat.
Bing
wrote:
> If you are afraid to back up your libel in a legal arena, where
> EVIDENCE is necessary, then obviously you are hiding and lying.
You really have no clue why no one ever takes you up on
your court challenges, do you?
The answer is simple. You've demonstrated time and time
again how unreasonable and stubborn you will be. You
post the same tirades 5-6 times per day, you ignore
any ideas people post if they disagree with you, and
you call everyone a moron or huckster.
So, you say something like, "Bob doesn't post his name
and address, so he must be lying about blah blah." You
innocently imply that if Bob simply posts his address,
you will suddenly believe everything he says.
But, you have absolutely no intention of ever believing
Bob no matter what he says or posts, do you? Instead,
you will take Bob's name and address, giggle incesantly,
and file a lawsuit against him, turn his name into the
FBI and IRS, or God knows what else. Further, that name
and address will appear in every lawsuit you file, against
anybody, for the next 20 years.
You want people to post their name and addresses simply
so you can harass them, isn't that right?
Bing
<jet...@REMOVETHISmindspring.com> wrote:
> Anyway, isn't it the job of your "legal team" to get the addresses of the
> people you intend to "serve"? I mean, why would you even have to ask that
> sort of thing?
See, in Doogie's world, things work differently. He sees nothing
unusual about telling his lawyer to call up a person and say,
"Hello. This is Mr. Howie, attourney at law. My client, Mr. Doogie,
wants to sue you for every cent you own. Now, to proceed, you'll
have to give me your full name, address, social security number,
your driver's license number, and every credit card number you
own. Hello?"
This is just the way things are in his little world.
Rusty Martin
In article <U9hg6.89$X61....@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
>Comon guys, stop hiding, you are making all these newbies send me
>email agreeing with me that this newsgroup is replete with con men
>trying to sell worthless systems and software to suckers.
Then he posts half a dozen times:
In article <7llg6.323$Pg3....@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
>If you bother reading their posts, (I realize many of you do not as
>your email frequently mentions)
A few years back, a very astute USENET poster wrote the following, and gave
blanket permission for its reposting. I present for you:
THE LURKERS SUPPORT ME IN E-MAIL
...to the tune of "My Bonnie Lies Over the Ocean:"
(by Jo Walton)
The Lurkers support me in email
They all think I'm great don't you know.
You posters just don't understand me
But soon you will reap what you sow.
Lurkers, lurkers, lurkers support me, you'll see, you'll see
off in e-mail the lurkers support me, you'll see.
The lurkers support me in email
"So why don't they post?" you all cry
They're scared of your hostile intentions
they just can't be as brave as I.
Lurkers, lurkers, lurkers support me, you'll see, you'll see
off in e-mail the lurkers support me, you'll see.
One day I'll round up all my lurkers
we'll have a newsgroup of our own
without all this flak from you morons
my lurkers will post round my throne.
Lurkers, lurkers, lurkers support me, you'll see, you'll see
off in e-mail the lurkers support me, you'll see.
**************
Tip of the hat to Jo Walton, wherever you are.
Not2ProudforfreeAOhelL
>From: "Lester" Les...@IamLestertheblackjackHater.Com
>Harkness,
>
>Stop hiding in Canada. Show some testicular fortitude and back your claims
>up. Stop using the f word in a USA newsgroup. USENET is not for vulgar
>Canadians.
Last I checked the usenet had no international boundaries. The internet has
also been referred to as the "world-wide-web." Any idea for the reasons for
this mix-up?
You aren't prejudiced against canadians are you?
Point-of-fact: The only people who ever hid in Canada were african-americans
fleeing slavery, american draft-dodgers, and Nazi war-criminals. Which
category do mean to imply Mr. Harkness belongs to?
--
Not2ProudforfreeAOhelL
-----
"For years, we thought that a million monkeys
sitting at a million keyboards would produce the
complete works of Shakespeare. Today, thanks to
the Internet, we know that's not true."
Gordon T. Thompson
Mike Benveniste
> Point-of-fact: The only people who ever hid in Canada were african-americans
> fleeing slavery, american draft-dodgers, and Nazi war-criminals. Which
> category do mean to imply Mr. Harkness belongs to?
You forgot Al Capone and his folk, who hid out in Moose Jaw so frequently
that the town has a thriving "Little Chicago Underground" tourist business.
http://www.canoe.ca/TravelCanada/tunnels_0001.html
--
Michael Benveniste -- m...@clearether.com
Any comments or statements made are not necessarily those of any
employer or client, their subsidiaries, or affiliates.
Ray
stuff a long time ago. Just read the replies (if any). He is also obviously,
like his god - grant (Total moron), a racist.
Ray
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