Wow! Have you ever seen so many con man aliases spew from the woodwork! I have not seen this many con man aliases since they forged all those votes for Con Man City! (A.K.A. Rec.Gambling.Blackjack.Moderated). It is amazing how many aliases these con men are using to try and plant false and fraudulent testimonials on these newsgroups. Not to mention try and lie and con the readers into believing they have before provided ANY address of record which would allow my lawyers to serve them for malicious libel.
Of course, if they were even remotely sure of their libel, why would they hide from a lawsuit? They can libel and hide and that is about it. Prove anything? Naw never. Back up anything they say? Naw never? All I hear is just more con man jargon spewed by dozens of obvious fraudulent names....as usual.
Comon guys, stop hiding, you are making all these newbies send me email agreeing with me that this newsgroup is replete with con men trying to sell worthless systems and software to suckers.
We all know that card counting systems cannot win against real world casinos, and that it is impossible for a poker player to overcome a typical house rake...so stop the bull and just list an address in which you can be served and I assure you that you will have your day in court. (Email addresses cannot be used...so at least stop the con man whines and try to back up at least ONE of your obvious malicious libel statements.)
If we do not receive any verifiable addresses, then of course that is an admission that everything I have posted on this newsgroup is true, and everything the con men have posted is a lie.
>Wow! Have you ever seen so many con man aliases spew from the >woodwork! I have not seen this many con man aliases since they >forged all those votes for Con Man City! (A.K.A. >Rec.Gambling.Blackjack.Moderated). It is amazing how many aliases >these con men are using to try and plant false and fraudulent >testimonials on these newsgroups. Not to mention try and lie and con >the readers into believing they have before provided ANY address of >record which would allow my lawyers to serve them for malicious libel.
>Of course, if they were even remotely sure of their libel, why would >they hide from a lawsuit? They can libel and hide and that is about >it. Prove anything? Naw never. Back up anything they say? Naw >never? All I hear is just more con man jargon spewed by dozens of >obvious fraudulent names....as usual.
>Comon guys, stop hiding, you are making all these newbies send me >email agreeing with me that this newsgroup is replete with con men >trying to sell worthless systems and software to suckers.
>We all know that card counting systems cannot win against real world >casinos, and that it is impossible for a poker player to overcome a >typical house rake...so stop the bull and just list an address in >which you can be served and I assure you that you will have your day >in court. (Email addresses cannot be used...so at least stop the con >man whines and try to back up at least ONE of your obvious malicious >libel statements.)
>If we do not receive any verifiable addresses, then of course that is >an admission that everything I have posted on this newsgroup is true, >and everything the con men have posted is a lie.
The Harkness response is typical. If he really believed anything he said he would back it up....but no, all we see is more hiding and dodging and whining. Pathetic.
Doug Grant (Tm)
"John Harkness" <j...@attcanada.ca> wrote in message
> >Wow! Have you ever seen so many con man aliases spew from the > >woodwork! I have not seen this many con man aliases since they > >forged all those votes for Con Man City! (A.K.A. > >Rec.Gambling.Blackjack.Moderated). It is amazing how many aliases > >these con men are using to try and plant false and fraudulent > >testimonials on these newsgroups. Not to mention try and lie and con > >the readers into believing they have before provided ANY address of > >record which would allow my lawyers to serve them for malicious libel.
> >Of course, if they were even remotely sure of their libel, why would > >they hide from a lawsuit? They can libel and hide and that is about > >it. Prove anything? Naw never. Back up anything they say? Naw > >never? All I hear is just more con man jargon spewed by dozens of > >obvious fraudulent names....as usual.
> >Comon guys, stop hiding, you are making all these newbies send me > >email agreeing with me that this newsgroup is replete with con men > >trying to sell worthless systems and software to suckers.
> >We all know that card counting systems cannot win against real world > >casinos, and that it is impossible for a poker player to overcome a > >typical house rake...so stop the bull and just list an address in > >which you can be served and I assure you that you will have your day > >in court. (Email addresses cannot be used...so at least stop the con > >man whines and try to back up at least ONE of your obvious malicious > >libel statements.)
> >If we do not receive any verifiable addresses, then of course that is > >an admission that everything I have posted on this newsgroup is true, > >and everything the con men have posted is a lie.
You know, the sequel is never as good as the original. I was kind of hoping that the 15 day countdown meant that Doogie would quit posting in order to allow us to put our thoughts together and pour out our contrite confessions. Oh well.
Doogie wrote; "Wow! Have you ever seen so many con man aliases spew from the woodwork! "
Doogie, Just how many Usenet groups did you post your retraction demand on? I found your demand on groups that you do not post to on a regular basis, such as the alt. gambling groups as well as the rec.gambling groups. Web tv's discuss list 16 groups that discuss gambling. Mizz Tie (TM)
"This will allow me to own more than one position, and consequently, receive more than one share. I like that. " From 1-2001, a classic Doug Grant (Tm) statement
"DGGRANT" <dggr...@worldnet.att.net> wrote, in a message cross-posted to rec.gambling.craps:
> We all know that card counting systems cannot win against real world > casinos, and that it is impossible for a poker player to overcome a > typical house rake
...
Doug,
Please stop cross-posting into the rec.gambling.craps newsgroup. Your arguments about card counting or the house rake don't apply to craps.
Most people in rec.gambling.craps know you can't EVER beat the house edge with just a betting system, and just in case they don't, we've got Mason and me to disabuse them of that notion. Please, no more posts about card counting in the craps newsgroup.
In the spirit of on-topic-ness,
Stacy
-- "For certainly, if any occasion will justify it, none is so worthy of excuse as this one. In my own case, when it seemed to me after a long illness that death was close at hand, I found no little solace in playing constantly at dice." -- Girolamo Cardano, 1563
> "DGGRANT" <dggr...@worldnet.att.net> wrote, in a message cross- posted > to rec.gambling.craps: > > We all know that card counting systems cannot win against real world > > casinos, and that it is impossible for a poker player to overcome a > > typical house rake > ...
> Doug,
> Please stop cross-posting into the rec.gambling.craps newsgroup. Your > arguments about card counting or the house rake don't apply to craps.
> In the spirit of on-topic-ness,
> Stacy
Yes, and while you're at it, please stop cross-posting this stuff on rec.gambling.bocciball too. There is NO house "edge" in bocci, and "card-counting" does not apply to our game. Angered & Disappointed- Germaine
On Wed, 07 Feb 2001 19:16:04 GMT, "DGGRANT" <dggr...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> Wow! Have you ever seen so many con man aliases spew from the > woodwork!
49 replies so far in ar.g.bj to your Retraction post.
> Comon guys, stop hiding, you are making all these newbies send me > email agreeing with me that this newsgroup is replete with con men
See? This is part of Doogie's problem. He posts a message, there are 49 replies to it, and he declares that everyone is hiding from him! He doesn't seem to use the English language like the rest of us do.
Someday I'd like to see all these "newbies" that constantly flood Doogie's email box with letters of praise.
> If we do not receive any verifiable addresses, then of course that is > an admission that everything I have posted on this newsgroup is true, > and everything the con men have posted is a lie.
Not at all. Take a course in logic someday. Oh, and bring a camcorder to class. I think we'd all get a chuckle at the debates between you and the professor over what is logical and what is not.
Besides, I thought this retraction/lawsuit thing was all about trolling the newsgroups for people to list in your lawsuit instead of "John Doe." Now it seems to be about proving or disproving everything you've said.
wayno...@my-deja.com wrote: > Yes, and while you're at it, please stop cross-posting this stuff > on rec.gambling.bocciball too. There is NO house "edge" in bocci, > and "card-counting" does not apply to our game. > Angered & Disappointed- Germaine
HAHAHA another bocci ball system huckster alias in high con!
Incidentally, I think there is a house rake in bocci, and it is used to level the playing field...
beandogge...@my-deja.com wrote: > In article <95sl30$ck...@nnrp1.deja.com>, > wayno...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > Yes, and while you're at it, please stop cross-posting this stuff > > on rec.gambling.bocciball too. There is NO house "edge" in bocci, > > and "card-counting" does not apply to our game. > > Angered & Disappointed- Germaine
> HAHAHA another bocci ball system huckster alias in high con!
> Incidentally, I think there is a house rake in bocci, and it is used to > level the playing field...
Gees, how do they keep seeing through all my aliases...? I thought I was being pretty sneaky & obfuscatory. And No I am NOT a huckster... I would never consider... Ok, well maybe I am... please send $24.95 for my pamphlet "Earn An Income For Life From Bocciball!!", c/o Germaine, Sandusky, Ohio.
If you have not noticed all of the dozens of aliases the two or three con men are using, then you should prepare yourself for a shock. At last count, we counted more than 150 different fraudulent names these system hucksters and casino agent con men have been using over the past few years.
If you bother reading their posts, (I realize many of you do not as your email frequently mentions) they use their fraudulent names to post questions (then answer the questions themselves) and to plant fake system testimonials. If you read any question about card counting, or about some worthless book or even more worthless software, you can be sure it probably came from one of the few con men that have been using all of these different fake names.
Also you must be wondering why these con men are so afraid of a court of law, or to reveal their true identities?
We know these con men cannot win playing the very systems they constantly tout. Consequently, if they ever revealed their true identities we could show the world they are just pathetic hucksters trying to tout worthless systems and do not have a pot between them. If these con men were real, don't you think they would have at least collectively hired a lawyer or at least a mathematician to back up their claims and false accusations? I even remember a couple of lawyers (probably more con man aliases) offering to represent them for free. So why are they hiding, and whine excuse after pitiful excuse when I challenge them to simply back up their preposterous claims in a legal arena . . . where obviously their libel and preposterous system claims belong?
The con men hide because they know they are lying and conning the readers of this newsgroup. If not, they would not hide. It is that simple.
Do you really believe these con men would be posting here if they could play and win in a casino? Do you really believe these con men would spend so much time using so many fraudulent names to tout so many known worthless systems and books and software if they could *really* beat the casino at its own game? Do you really believe con men like BingoBilly (who says he cannot win any money because he will not leave the state of Colorado) giggle, snort, cannot only overcome the house rake but beat all other poker players in the world without even knowing how they play or ever meeting them before? HEHEHEHEHEHEHE . . . (I am sorry I can't help it . . . these con men are soooo pitiful . . . HEHEHEHEHEHEHE. )
Now how about the con men that run those "pay me to con you" chat groups. You know those "chat groups" that tout all those "winning" systems that for some reason NO ONE (including the con men that sell them) can win any money with? Do you really think they would be promoting these "pay me to con you" chat groups, replete with fake testimonials, lies, and con man jargon, if the con men that were selling such systems could really walk into ANY casino in the world and beat the casino for the "big money" they claim can be won with such worthless systems?
Most *rational* people know the casinos are not in the business to lose money to patrons. That is why so many new casinos are being built every year, and the shortest list in the world is composed of *rich* Blackjack or Poker players. (Not to mention the idiots that attempt to beat craps and the slots and poker machines . . . but they really are too stupid to even mention.)
Casinos are in the business to make money off people stupid enough to think they can actually end up winning playing their games. The casino agents (system hucksters) are actually working for the casinos and providing the casinos with a means to steer suckers into their lairs. Why do you think you see all those casino advertisements in Casino Player Magazine which is replete with card counting systems every month, and why do you think the casinos send out card counting systems to their patrons, and actually provide casino floor space, dealers and tables so the hucksters can produce "how to count cards" videos? Not to mention offer casino hotel space to Wong and Snyder for their "card counting seminars" and hire Wong, Snyder and Curtis as paid consultants whenever some poor player decides to sue the casinos for cheating. (Such as occurred in the Campione vs. Adamar case in which Wong, Snyder and Curtis all showed up working for the Tropicana casino.)
It is easy to connect the system hucksters to the casinos . . . a simple task that is made even easier by all these fake name posts that seem to appear whenever anyone starts to tell the truth about worthless card counting systems, or casino cheating.
Sure the system hucksters are playing the front men for the casino industry. They do the fake advertising while the casinos feign fear of their systems, meanwhile it is the casinos that are spending all of the advertising dollars and promoting all the card counting and it is the casinos that are reaping the lions share of the fraudulent dollars generated by all these fraudulent system claims.
And if that is not enough, now we have a brand-new con that has surfaced along with the Internet. These "Cyber" system hucksters are offering free access to how to purchase "winning" systems on their home pages. This "sucker bait" is designed to lure gamblers into their home pages, and thereby provide email addresses for the casinos. Not to mention allowing the system hucksters the opportunity to sell some more worthless software or systems to their sucker clients.
Not until discovery is complete will we know how deep the connection between the casinos and the con men exists, but it is laughable to attempt to claim that no connection exists....almost as laughable as all these con man aliases trying to claim they are different people.
If anyone tells you they have a system that can beat the casinos (especially card counting) then that person is either (1) a con man or (2) an idiot or (3) both.
Doug Grant (Tm)
"Doug Grant" <dfgr...@nospamo.islandnet.com> wrote in message
> You know, the sequel is never as good as the original. I was kind of > hoping that the 15 day countdown meant that Doogie would quit posting in > order to allow us to put our thoughts together and pour out our contrite > confessions. Oh well.
Naw, I was just referring to all of the aliases that were used on this newsgroup...for more information in that regard please read the following.
I Wonder Why?
If you have not noticed all of the dozens of aliases the two or three con men are using, then you should prepare yourself for a shock. At last count, we counted more than 150 different fraudulent names these system hucksters and casino agent con men have been using over the past few years.
If you bother reading their posts, (I realize many of you do not as your email frequently mentions) they use their fraudulent names to post questions (then answer the questions themselves) and to plant fake system testimonials. If you read any question about card counting, or about some worthless book or even more worthless software, you can be sure it probably came from one of the few con men that have been using all of these different fake names.
Also you must be wondering why these con men are so afraid of a court of law, or to reveal their true identities?
We know these con men cannot win playing the very systems they constantly tout. Consequently, if they ever revealed their true identities we could show the world they are just pathetic hucksters trying to tout worthless systems and do not have a pot between them. If these con men were real, don't you think they would have at least collectively hired a lawyer or at least a mathematician to back up their claims and false accusations? I even remember a couple of lawyers (probably more con man aliases) offering to represent them for free. So why are they hiding, and whine excuse after pitiful excuse when I challenge them to simply back up their preposterous claims in a legal arena . . . where obviously their libel and preposterous system claims belong?
The con men hide because they know they are lying and conning the readers of this newsgroup. If not, they would not hide. It is that simple.
Do you really believe these con men would be posting here if they could play and win in a casino? Do you really believe these con men would spend so much time using so many fraudulent names to tout so many known worthless systems and books and software if they could *really* beat the casino at its own game? Do you really believe con men like BingoBilly (who says he cannot win any money because he will not leave the state of Colorado) giggle, snort, cannot only overcome the house rake but beat all other poker players in the world without even knowing how they play or ever meeting them before? HEHEHEHEHEHEHE . . . (I am sorry I can't help it . . . these con men are soooo pitiful . . . HEHEHEHEHEHEHE. )
Now how about the con men that run those "pay me to con you" chat groups. You know those "chat groups" that tout all those "winning" systems that for some reason NO ONE (including the con men that sell them) can win any money with? Do you really think they would be promoting these "pay me to con you" chat groups, replete with fake testimonials, lies, and con man jargon, if the con men that were selling such systems could really walk into ANY casino in the world and beat the casino for the "big money" they claim can be won with such worthless systems?
Most *rational* people know the casinos are not in the business to lose money to patrons. That is why so many new casinos are being built every year, and the shortest list in the world is composed of *rich* Blackjack or Poker players. (Not to mention the idiots that attempt to beat craps and the slots and poker machines . . . but they really are too stupid to even mention.)
Casinos are in the business to make money off people stupid enough to think they can actually end up winning playing their games. The casino agents (system hucksters) are actually working for the casinos and providing the casinos with a means to steer suckers into their lairs. Why do you think you see all those casino advertisements in Casino Player Magazine which is replete with card counting systems every month, and why do you think the casinos send out card counting systems to their patrons, and actually provide casino floor space, dealers and tables so the hucksters can produce "how to count cards" videos? Not to mention offer casino hotel space to Wong and Snyder for their "card counting seminars" and hire Wong, Snyder and Curtis as paid consultants whenever some poor player decides to sue the casinos for cheating. (Such as occurred in the Campione vs. Adamar case in which Wong, Snyder and Curtis all showed up working for the Tropicana casino.)
It is easy to connect the system hucksters to the casinos . . . a simple task that is made even easier by all these fake name posts that seem to appear whenever anyone starts to tell the truth about worthless card counting systems, or casino cheating.
Sure the system hucksters are playing the front men for the casino industry. They do the fake advertising while the casinos feign fear of their systems, meanwhile it is the casinos that are spending all of the advertising dollars and promoting all the card counting and it is the casinos that are reaping the lions share of the fraudulent dollars generated by all these fraudulent system claims.
And if that is not enough, now we have a brand-new con that has surfaced along with the Internet. These "Cyber" system hucksters are offering free access to how to purchase "winning" systems on their home pages. This "sucker bait" is designed to lure gamblers into their home pages, and thereby provide email addresses for the casinos. Not to mention allowing the system hucksters the opportunity to sell some more worthless software or systems to their sucker clients.
Not until discovery is complete will we know how deep the connection between the casinos and the con men exists, but it is laughable to attempt to claim that no connection exists....almost as laughable as all these con man aliases trying to claim they are different people.
If anyone tells you they have a system that can beat the casinos (especially card counting) then that person is either (1) a con man or (2) an idiot or (3) both.
> Doogie wrote; > "Wow! Have you ever seen so many con man aliases spew from the woodwork! > "
> Doogie, > Just how many Usenet groups did you post your retraction demand on? > I found your demand on groups that you do not post to on a regular > basis, such as the alt. gambling groups as well as the rec.gambling > groups. Web tv's discuss list 16 groups that discuss gambling. > Mizz Tie (TM)
> "This will allow me to own more than one position, and consequently, > receive more than one share. I like that. " > From 1-2001, a classic Doug Grant (Tm) statement
Of course the house vig applies to craps! The house vig in poker means that poker is a negative expectation game to all that play it...in craps it is the built in house percentage that turns that game into a negative expectation game....see the similarity?
Moreover, if ALL individuals on rec.gambling.craps already know that it is impossible to beat the game, then why are there individuals touting worthless crap systems on that newsgroup? Also, who is "Mason?" You certainly cannot be talking about someone that works for Arnold Snyder telling the truth about anything? Are you? (I received a telephone call from someone that identified himself as "Mason" some years back threatening me and wailing and whining about me posting the truth in respect to Arnold Snyder secretly working for the casinos...is that the same "Mason" you are talking about?)
Craps is a negative expectation game. You cannot beat that game with any system. It is pointless to try. It is pointless to play a known losing game....that is unless you are an idiot. It is equally pointless to try and censor me....that is unless you are an idiot.
Doug Grant (Tm)
"Stacy Friedman" <stacy_fried...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> "DGGRANT" <dggr...@worldnet.att.net> wrote, in a message cross-posted > to rec.gambling.craps: > > We all know that card counting systems cannot win against real world > > casinos, and that it is impossible for a poker player to overcome a > > typical house rake > ...
> Doug,
> Please stop cross-posting into the rec.gambling.craps newsgroup. Your > arguments about card counting or the house rake don't apply to craps.
> Most people in rec.gambling.craps know you can't EVER beat the house > edge with just a betting system, and just in case they don't, we've got > Mason and me to disabuse them of that notion. Please, no more posts > about card counting in the craps newsgroup.
> In the spirit of on-topic-ness,
> Stacy
> -- > "For certainly, if any occasion will justify it, none is so worthy of > excuse as this one. In my own case, when it seemed to me after a long > illness that death was close at hand, I found no little solace in > playing constantly at dice." -- Girolamo Cardano, 1563
If you have not noticed all of the dozens of aliases the two or three con men are using, then you should prepare yourself for a shock. At last count, we counted more than 150 different fraudulent names these system hucksters and casino agent con men have been using over the past few years.
If you bother reading their posts, (I realize many of you do not as your email frequently mentions) they use their fraudulent names to post questions (then answer the questions themselves) and to plant fake system testimonials. If you read any question about card counting, or about some worthless book or even more worthless software, you can be sure it probably came from one of the few con men that have been using all of these different fake names.
Also you must be wondering why these con men are so afraid of a court of law, or to reveal their true identities?
We know these con men cannot win playing the very systems they constantly tout. Consequently, if they ever revealed their true identities we could show the world they are just pathetic hucksters trying to tout worthless systems and do not have a pot between them. If these con men were real, don't you think they would have at least collectively hired a lawyer or at least a mathematician to back up their claims and false accusations? I even remember a couple of lawyers (probably more con man aliases) offering to represent them for free. So why are they hiding, and whine excuse after pitiful excuse when I challenge them to simply back up their preposterous claims in a legal arena . . . where obviously their libel and preposterous system claims belong?
The con men hide because they know they are lying and conning the readers of this newsgroup. If not, they would not hide. It is that simple.
Do you really believe these con men would be posting here if they could play and win in a casino? Do you really believe these con men would spend so much time using so many fraudulent names to tout so many known worthless systems and books and software if they could *really* beat the casino at its own game? Do you really believe con men like BingoBilly (who says he cannot win any money because he will not leave the state of Colorado) giggle, snort, cannot only overcome the house rake but beat all other poker players in the world without even knowing how they play or ever meeting them before? HEHEHEHEHEHEHE . . . (I am sorry I can't help it . . . these con men are soooo pitiful . . . HEHEHEHEHEHEHE. )
Now how about the con men that run those "pay me to con you" chat groups. You know those "chat groups" that tout all those "winning" systems that for some reason NO ONE (including the con men that sell them) can win any money with? Do you really think they would be promoting these "pay me to con you" chat groups, replete with fake testimonials, lies, and con man jargon, if the con men that were selling such systems could really walk into ANY casino in the world and beat the casino for the "big money" they claim can be won with such worthless systems?
Most *rational* people know the casinos are not in the business to lose money to patrons. That is why so many new casinos are being built every year, and the shortest list in the world is composed of *rich* Blackjack or Poker players. (Not to mention the idiots that attempt to beat craps and the slots and poker machines . . . but they really are too stupid to even mention.)
Casinos are in the business to make money off people stupid enough to think they can actually end up winning playing their games. The casino agents (system hucksters) are actually working for the casinos and providing the casinos with a means to steer suckers into their lairs. Why do you think you see all those casino advertisements in Casino Player Magazine which is replete with card counting systems every month, and why do you think the casinos send out card counting systems to their patrons, and actually provide casino floor space, dealers and tables so the hucksters can produce "how to count cards" videos? Not to mention offer casino hotel space to Wong and Snyder for their "card counting seminars" and hire Wong, Snyder and Curtis as paid consultants whenever some poor player decides to sue the casinos for cheating. (Such as occurred in the Campione vs. Adamar case in which Wong, Snyder and Curtis all showed up working for the Tropicana casino.)
It is easy to connect the system hucksters to the casinos . . . a simple task that is made even easier by all these fake name posts that seem to appear whenever anyone starts to tell the truth about worthless card counting systems, or casino cheating.
Sure the system hucksters are playing the front men for the casino industry. They do the fake advertising while the casinos feign fear of their systems, meanwhile it is the casinos that are spending all of the advertising dollars and promoting all the card counting and it is the casinos that are reaping the lions share of the fraudulent dollars generated by all these fraudulent system claims.
And if that is not enough, now we have a brand-new con that has surfaced along with the Internet. These "Cyber" system hucksters are offering free access to how to purchase "winning" systems on their home pages. This "sucker bait" is designed to lure gamblers into their home pages, and thereby provide email addresses for the casinos. Not to mention allowing the system hucksters the opportunity to sell some more worthless software or systems to their sucker clients.
Not until discovery is complete will we know how deep the connection between the casinos and the con men exists, but it is laughable to attempt to claim that no connection exists....almost as laughable as all these con man aliases trying to claim they are different people.
If anyone tells you they have a system that can beat the casinos (especially card counting) then that person is either (1) a con man or (2) an idiot or (3) both.
> In article <95segd$69...@nnrp1.deja.com>, > Stacy Friedman <stacy_fried...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > "DGGRANT" <dggr...@worldnet.att.net> wrote, in a message cross- > posted > > to rec.gambling.craps: > > > We all know that card counting systems cannot win against real world > > > casinos, and that it is impossible for a poker player to overcome a > > > typical house rake > > ...
> > Doug,
> > Please stop cross-posting into the rec.gambling.craps newsgroup. Your > > arguments about card counting or the house rake don't apply to craps.
> > In the spirit of on-topic-ness,
> > Stacy
> Yes, and while you're at it, please stop cross-posting this stuff > on rec.gambling.bocciball too. There is NO house "edge" in bocci, > and "card-counting" does not apply to our game. > Angered & Disappointed- Germaine
If you have not noticed all of the dozens of aliases the two or three con men are using, then you should prepare yourself for a shock. At last count, we counted more than 150 different fraudulent names these system hucksters and casino agent con men have been using over the past few years.
If you bother reading their posts, (I realize many of you do not as your email frequently mentions) they use their fraudulent names to post questions (then answer the questions themselves) and to plant fake system testimonials. If you read any question about card counting, or about some worthless book or even more worthless software, you can be sure it probably came from one of the few con men that have been using all of these different fake names.
Also you must be wondering why these con men are so afraid of a court of law, or to reveal their true identities?
We know these con men cannot win playing the very systems they constantly tout. Consequently, if they ever revealed their true identities we could show the world they are just pathetic hucksters trying to tout worthless systems and do not have a pot between them. If these con men were real, don't you think they would have at least collectively hired a lawyer or at least a mathematician to back up their claims and false accusations? I even remember a couple of lawyers (probably more con man aliases) offering to represent them for free. So why are they hiding, and whine excuse after pitiful excuse when I challenge them to simply back up their preposterous claims in a legal arena . . . where obviously their libel and preposterous system claims belong?
The con men hide because they know they are lying and conning the readers of this newsgroup. If not, they would not hide. It is that simple.
Do you really believe these con men would be posting here if they could play and win in a casino? Do you really believe these con men would spend so much time using so many fraudulent names to tout so many known worthless systems and books and software if they could *really* beat the casino at its own game? Do you really believe con men like BingoBilly (who says he cannot win any money because he will not leave the state of Colorado) giggle, snort, cannot only overcome the house rake but beat all other poker players in the world without even knowing how they play or ever meeting them before? HEHEHEHEHEHEHE . . . (I am sorry I can't help it . . . these con men are soooo pitiful . . . HEHEHEHEHEHEHE. )
Now how about the con men that run those "pay me to con you" chat groups. You know those "chat groups" that tout all those "winning" systems that for some reason NO ONE (including the con men that sell them) can win any money with? Do you really think they would be promoting these "pay me to con you" chat groups, replete with fake testimonials, lies, and con man jargon, if the con men that were selling such systems could really walk into ANY casino in the world and beat the casino for the "big money" they claim can be won with such worthless systems?
Most *rational* people know the casinos are not in the business to lose money to patrons. That is why so many new casinos are being built every year, and the shortest list in the world is composed of *rich* Blackjack or Poker players. (Not to mention the idiots that attempt to beat craps and the slots and poker machines . . . but they really are too stupid to even mention.)
Casinos are in the business to make money off people stupid enough to think they can actually end up winning playing their games. The casino agents (system hucksters) are actually working for the casinos and providing the casinos with a means to steer suckers into their lairs. Why do you think you see all those casino advertisements in Casino Player Magazine which is replete with card counting systems every month, and why do you think the casinos send out card counting systems to their patrons, and actually provide casino floor space, dealers and tables so the hucksters can produce "how to count cards" videos? Not to mention offer casino hotel space to Wong and Snyder for their "card counting seminars" and hire Wong, Snyder and Curtis as paid consultants whenever some poor player decides to sue the casinos for cheating. (Such as occurred in the Campione vs. Adamar case in which Wong, Snyder and Curtis all showed up working for the Tropicana casino.)
It is easy to connect the system hucksters to the casinos . . . a simple task that is made even easier by all these fake name posts that seem to appear whenever anyone starts to tell the truth about worthless card counting systems, or casino cheating.
Sure the system hucksters are playing the front men for the casino industry. They do the fake advertising while the casinos feign fear of their systems, meanwhile it is the casinos that are spending all of the advertising dollars and promoting all the card counting and it is the casinos that are reaping the lions share of the fraudulent dollars generated by all these fraudulent system claims.
And if that is not enough, now we have a brand-new con that has surfaced along with the Internet. These "Cyber" system hucksters are offering free access to how to purchase "winning" systems on their home pages. This "sucker bait" is designed to lure gamblers into their home pages, and thereby provide email addresses for the casinos. Not to mention allowing the system hucksters the opportunity to sell some more worthless software or systems to their sucker clients.
Not until discovery is complete will we know how deep the connection between the casinos and the con men exists, but it is laughable to attempt to claim that no connection exists....almost as laughable as all these con man aliases trying to claim they are different people.
If anyone tells you they have a system that can beat the casinos (especially card counting) then that person is either (1) a con man or (2) an idiot or (3) both.
> In article <95sl30$ck...@nnrp1.deja.com>, > wayno...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > Yes, and while you're at it, please stop cross-posting this stuff > > on rec.gambling.bocciball too. There is NO house "edge" in bocci, > > and "card-counting" does not apply to our game. > > Angered & Disappointed- Germaine
> HAHAHA another bocci ball system huckster alias in high con!
> Incidentally, I think there is a house rake in bocci, and it is used to > level the playing field...
If you have not noticed all of the dozens of aliases the two or three con men are using, then you should prepare yourself for a shock. At last count, we counted more than 150 different fraudulent names these system hucksters and casino agent con men have been using over the past few years.
If you bother reading their posts, (I realize many of you do not as your email frequently mentions) they use their fraudulent names to post questions (then answer the questions themselves) and to plant fake system testimonials. If you read any question about card counting, or about some worthless book or even more worthless software, you can be sure it probably came from one of the few con men that have been using all of these different fake names.
Also you must be wondering why these con men are so afraid of a court of law, or to reveal their true identities?
We know these con men cannot win playing the very systems they constantly tout. Consequently, if they ever revealed their true identities we could show the world they are just pathetic hucksters trying to tout worthless systems and do not have a pot between them. If these con men were real, don't you think they would have at least collectively hired a lawyer or at least a mathematician to back up their claims and false accusations? I even remember a couple of lawyers (probably more con man aliases) offering to represent them for free. So why are they hiding, and whine excuse after pitiful excuse when I challenge them to simply back up their preposterous claims in a legal arena . . . where obviously their libel and preposterous system claims belong?
The con men hide because they know they are lying and conning the readers of this newsgroup. If not, they would not hide. It is that simple.
Do you really believe these con men would be posting here if they could play and win in a casino? Do you really believe these con men would spend so much time using so many fraudulent names to tout so many known worthless systems and books and software if they could *really* beat the casino at its own game? Do you really believe con men like BingoBilly (who says he cannot win any money because he will not leave the state of Colorado) giggle, snort, cannot only overcome the house rake but beat all other poker players in the world without even knowing how they play or ever meeting them before? HEHEHEHEHEHEHE . . . (I am sorry I can't help it . . . these con men are soooo pitiful . . . HEHEHEHEHEHEHE. )
Now how about the con men that run those "pay me to con you" chat groups. You know those "chat groups" that tout all those "winning" systems that for some reason NO ONE (including the con men that sell them) can win any money with? Do you really think they would be promoting these "pay me to con you" chat groups, replete with fake testimonials, lies, and con man jargon, if the con men that were selling such systems could really walk into ANY casino in the world and beat the casino for the "big money" they claim can be won with such worthless systems?
Most *rational* people know the casinos are not in the business to lose money to patrons. That is why so many new casinos are being built every year, and the shortest list in the world is composed of *rich* Blackjack or Poker players. (Not to mention the idiots that attempt to beat craps and the slots and poker machines . . . but they really are too stupid to even mention.)
Casinos are in the business to make money off people stupid enough to think they can actually end up winning playing their games. The casino agents (system hucksters) are actually working for the casinos and providing the casinos with a means to steer suckers into their lairs. Why do you think you see all those casino advertisements in Casino Player Magazine which is replete with card counting systems every month, and why do you think the casinos send out card counting systems to their patrons, and actually provide casino floor space, dealers and tables so the hucksters can produce "how to count cards" videos? Not to mention offer casino hotel space to Wong and Snyder for their "card counting seminars" and hire Wong, Snyder and Curtis as paid consultants whenever some poor player decides to sue the casinos for cheating. (Such as occurred in the Campione vs. Adamar case in which Wong, Snyder and Curtis all showed up working for the Tropicana casino.)
It is easy to connect the system hucksters to the casinos . . . a simple task that is made even easier by all these fake name posts that seem to appear whenever anyone starts to tell the truth about worthless card counting systems, or casino cheating.
Sure the system hucksters are playing the front men for the casino industry. They do the fake advertising while the casinos feign fear of their systems, meanwhile it is the casinos that are spending all of the advertising dollars and promoting all the card counting and it is the casinos that are reaping the lions share of the fraudulent dollars generated by all these fraudulent system claims.
And if that is not enough, now we have a brand-new con that has surfaced along with the Internet. These "Cyber" system hucksters are offering free access to how to purchase "winning" systems on their home pages. This "sucker bait" is designed to lure gamblers into their home pages, and thereby provide email addresses for the casinos. Not to mention allowing the system hucksters the opportunity to sell some more worthless software or systems to their sucker clients.
Not until discovery is complete will we know how deep the connection between the casinos and the con men exists, but it is laughable to attempt to claim that no connection exists....almost as laughable as all these con man aliases trying to claim they are different people.
If anyone tells you they have a system that can beat the casinos (especially card counting) then that person is either (1) a con man or (2) an idiot or (3) both.
> In article <95slmo$d5...@nnrp1.deja.com>, > beandogge...@my-deja.com wrote: > > In article <95sl30$ck...@nnrp1.deja.com>, > > wayno...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > > Yes, and while you're at it, please stop cross-posting this > stuff > > > on rec.gambling.bocciball too. There is NO house "edge" in bocci, > > > and "card-counting" does not apply to our game. > > > Angered & Disappointed- Germaine
> > HAHAHA another bocci ball system huckster alias in high con!
> > Incidentally, I think there is a house rake in bocci, and it is used > to > > level the playing field...
> Gees, how do they keep seeing through all my aliases...? I thought > I was being pretty sneaky & obfuscatory. And No I am NOT a > huckster... I would never consider... Ok, well maybe I am... please > send $24.95 for my pamphlet "Earn An Income For Life From Bocciball!!", > c/o Germaine, Sandusky, Ohio.
> > Wow! Have you ever seen so many con man aliases spew from the > > woodwork!
> 49 replies so far in ar.g.bj to your Retraction post.
> > Comon guys, stop hiding, you are making all these newbies send me > > email agreeing with me that this newsgroup is replete with con men
> See? This is part of Doogie's problem. He posts a message, > there are 49 replies to it, and he declares that everyone > is hiding from him! He doesn't seem to use the English > language like the rest of us do.
BingoBilly hides his real idenity, as do the rest of the con men, then he claims he is "not hiding." Weeeooooooo. (I think this con man believes the rest of the world is as mentally defficient as he is.)
> Someday I'd like to see all these "newbies" that constantly > flood Doogie's email box with letters of praise.
I said I received email agreeing with me that this newsgroup is replete with con men. Bingo posts what I said above, and then (in the same post) claims I said "I was receiving letters of priase"...Weeeeooooooooooo. (Dimwitted and one limb short of a tree may be too much of a mental complement for this con man.) Bingo you have been caught lying to the group again...naughty naughty....you must go to bed without your medication tonight.
> > If we do not receive any verifiable addresses, then of course that is > > an admission that everything I have posted on this newsgroup is true, > > and everything the con men have posted is a lie.
> Not at all. Take a course in logic someday. Oh, and bring > a camcorder to class. I think we'd all get a chuckle at > the debates between you and the professor over what is > logical and what is not.
If you are afraid to back up your libel in a legal arena, where EVIDENCE is necessary, then obviously you are hiding and lying. Logical? To sane people of course. To Bingo? Weeeeoooooooooooo.
> Besides, I thought this retraction/lawsuit thing was all > about trolling the newsgroups for people to list in your > lawsuit instead of "John Doe." Now it seems to be about > proving or disproving everything you've said.
Huh? I think you drooled all over your keyboard on that one Bingo. You must have been thinking about all those State borders you keep bouncing off of to stop you from winning any money. Heh. It is important that I post an opportunity for all that libeled me to post a retraction....however I never expected to really receive one...you con men are too arrogant for that. But, the lawyers said I had to post it, so I did. Do with it what you will....se ya in court.
In article <pmlg6.324$Pg3.13...@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, "DGGRANT" <dggr...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> Naw, I was just referring to all of the aliases that were used on this > newsgroup...for more information in that regard please read the > following.
> I Wonder Why?
> If you have not noticed all of the dozens of aliases the two or three > con men are using, then you should prepare yourself for a shock. At > last count, we counted more than 150 different fraudulent names these > system hucksters and casino agent con men have been using over the > past few years.
I am using hundreds of aliases, just all by myself. Best, Bertha
> "Bing" <b...@paxentertainment.com> wrote in message > news:3a81d891.25463273@news.fu-berlin.de... > > On Wed, 07 Feb 2001 19:16:04 GMT, "DGGRANT" > <dggr...@worldnet.att.net> > > wrote:
> > > Wow! Have you ever seen so many con man aliases spew from the > > > woodwork!
> > 49 replies so far in ar.g.bj to your Retraction post.
> > > Comon guys, stop hiding, you are making all these newbies send me > > > email agreeing with me that this newsgroup is replete with con men
> > See? This is part of Doogie's problem. He posts a message, > > there are 49 replies to it, and he declares that everyone > > is hiding from him! He doesn't seem to use the English > > language like the rest of us do.
> BingoBilly hides his real idenity, as do the rest of the con men, then > he claims he is "not hiding." > Weeeooooooo. (I think this con man believes the rest of the world is > as mentally defficient as he is.)
> > Someday I'd like to see all these "newbies" that constantly > > flood Doogie's email box with letters of praise.
> I said I received email agreeing with me that this newsgroup is > replete with con men. Bingo posts what I said above, and then (in > the same post) claims I said "I was receiving letters of > priase"...Weeeeooooooooooo. (Dimwitted and one limb short of a tree > may be too much of a mental complement for this con man.) Bingo you > have been caught lying to the group again...naughty naughty....you > must go to bed without your medication tonight.
> > > If we do not receive any verifiable addresses, then of course that > is > > > an admission that everything I have posted on this newsgroup is > true, > > > and everything the con men have posted is a lie.
> > Not at all. Take a course in logic someday. Oh, and bring > > a camcorder to class. I think we'd all get a chuckle at > > the debates between you and the professor over what is > > logical and what is not.
> If you are afraid to back up your libel in a legal arena, where > EVIDENCE is necessary, then obviously you are hiding and lying. > Logical? To sane people of course. To Bingo? Weeeeoooooooooooo.
> > Besides, I thought this retraction/lawsuit thing was all > > about trolling the newsgroups for people to list in your > > lawsuit instead of "John Doe." Now it seems to be about > > proving or disproving everything you've said.
> Huh? I think you drooled all over your keyboard on that one Bingo. > You must have been thinking about all those State borders you keep > bouncing off of to stop you from winning any money. Heh. It is > important that I post an opportunity for all that libeled me to post a > retraction....however I never expected to really receive one...you con > men are too arrogant for that. But, the lawyers said I had to post > it, so I did. Do with it what you will....se ya in court.
> Doug Grant (Tm)
This is a little off the subject, but does anyone know what the betting line is on the Kings/Timberwolves game tonight? Just Curious, Dorothy
"DGGRANT" <dggr...@worldnet.att.net> wrote: > Wow! Have you ever seen so many con man aliases spew from the > woodwork! I have not seen this many con man aliases since they > forged all those votes for Con Man City! (A.K.A. > Rec.Gambling.Blackjack.Moderated). It is amazing how many aliases > these con men are using to try and plant false and fraudulent > testimonials on these newsgroups. Not to mention try and lie and con > the readers into believing they have before provided ANY address of > record which would allow my lawyers to serve them for malicious libel.
> Of course, if they were even remotely sure of their libel, why would > they hide from a lawsuit? They can libel and hide and that is about > it. Prove anything? Naw never. Back up anything they say? Naw > never? All I hear is just more con man jargon spewed by dozens of > obvious fraudulent names....as usual.
Why would any sane person want to be involved with your machinations? Of course no one has responed to you. Yes, any of us so sued could counter sue, but I'm sure at this stage in your existance, you are judgement proof. Thus you are just a nuisance, and as such, should be, and is, ignorable.
> Comon guys, stop hiding, you are making all these newbies send me > email agreeing with me that this newsgroup is replete with con men > trying to sell worthless systems and software to suckers.
> We all know that card counting systems cannot win against real world > casinos, and that it is impossible for a poker player to overcome a > typical house rake...so stop the bull and just list an address in > which you can be served and I assure you that you will have your day > in court. (Email addresses cannot be used...so at least stop the con > man whines and try to back up at least ONE of your obvious malicious > libel statements.)
No one believes your venom, if anyone ever did. What you know and don't know is irrelevant.
> If we do not receive any verifiable addresses, then of course that is > an admission that everything I have posted on this newsgroup is true, > and everything the con men have posted is a lie.
It is an admission of sanity only. What sane person would get involved with you?
-- Harvey J. Cohen, Ph. D. ------- God is a comedian playing to an audience that is afraid to laugh. - Mark Twain
In article <7llg6.323$Pg3.13...@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
"DGGRANT" <dggr...@worldnet.att.net> wrote: > I Wonder Why?
> If you have not noticed all of the dozens of aliases the two or three > con men are using, then you should prepare yourself for a shock. At > last count, we counted more than 150 different fraudulent names these > system hucksters and casino agent con men have been using over the > past few years.
Still talking in the royal we?
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-- Harvey J. Cohen, Ph. D. ------- God is a comedian playing to an audience that is afraid to laugh. - Mark Twain
In article <U9hg6.89$X61.5...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
DGGRANT, dggr...@worldnet.att.net writes: >If we do not receive any verifiable addresses, then of course that is >an admission that everything I have posted on this newsgroup is true, >and everything the con men have posted is a lie.
Well there's some fine logic for ya. "So if she weighs the same as a duck... she's a witch!"
Anyway, isn't it the job of your "legal team" to get the addresses of the people you intend to "serve"? I mean, why would you even have to ask that sort of thing?
