Cigar Newsgroup
Andrew Lewis Tepper
proposed calling it netnews.rec.cigar. Somehow it seems to belong within
the .food. hierarchy, but netnews.rec.food.cigar seems kind of gross, as
if it's for people who like eating cigars! Email me if you have a better
name.
Andy
Colin Crist
In article <93211.015...@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> ME <34M...@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> writes:
Does anyone know a good source for cigar peraphernalia? I'm looking
specifically for a sterling or stainless circular cigar clipper (the kind
that looks a bit like a silver dollar when not in use). Any tips would
be looked upon kindly. Thanks.
Contact Nat Shermans in New York - they have quite a lot of cigar goodies and
have a mail order catalogue. I don't have their number on me, but it shouldn't
be hard to find - they're on W42nd I think.
Colin.
Linda Cunningham
ME> "A woman is only a woman. But a good cigar is a smoke."
ME> - R. Kipling
ME> Excellent! Bring on the cigar (and smoking in general) discussions.
Then post in rec.smoke.fumigate.pollute.lung_cancer, please.
As a recent letter in Wine Spectator read:
At first I was shocked to see the half-page advertisement from Cigar
Aficionado in the May 15, 1993, issue asking, "Are You a Cigar-Friendly
Restaurant?" What a great idea! Find out which restaurants allow, and perhaps
encourage, cigar smoking. Surely this valuable list must also be published in
The Wine Spectator in the same issue as the Grand Award-winning restaurants.
That way, most of your readers can avoid risking a spoiled evening at these
restaurants. - John P. Hoche, M.D., St. Petersburg, Fla.
Cheers to Los Angeles for banning smoking in restaurants!
Linda
Walt Rybinski
>ME <34M...@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> writes:
>
> ME> "A woman is only a woman. But a good cigar is a smoke."
> ME> - R. Kipling
>
> ME> Excellent! Bring on the cigar (and smoking in general) discussions.
>
>Then post in rec.smoke.fumigate.pollute.lung_cancer, please.
>
>As a recent letter in Wine Spectator read:
>
>At first I was shocked to see the half-page advertisement from Cigar
>Aficionado in the May 15, 1993, issue asking, "Are You a Cigar-Friendly
>
>Cheers to Los Angeles for banning smoking in restaurants!
>
>Linda
Linda, the same argument can be made for this news group and people
that partake of alcoholic beverages; a substance that can be abused
and be an irritant to other people. Your wine enthusiasm can really
bother our fundamentalist practising folk in this country.
I don't smoke cigarettes and I drink moderately. I practice tolerance and
don't judge people of their likes or dislikes. The quicker this
society adopts tolerance of other people, the quicker we could avoid
the extreme intolerance and hate from the past (remember 6 million jews and
I'm not even jewish,book burnings, witch burnings, cross burnings ).
In closing, let there be any news group people want, including
cigars and if there's a cigar smoker at a restaurant the night you
want to go, don't go. But don't decide that for other people.
=============================================================
walt rybinski
email-wal...@sandiegoca.ncr.com
The opinions expressed our solely mine and don't represent
my company in any manner.
=============================================================
Neil Flatter
>>ME <34M...@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> writes:
>>
>>Then post in rec.smoke.fumigate.pollute.lung_cancer, please.
>>
>>Cheers to Los Angeles for banning smoking in restaurants!
>>
>don't judge people of their likes or dislikes. The quicker this
>society adopts tolerance of other people, the quicker we could avoid
>the extreme intolerance and hate from the past (remember 6 million jews and
>I'm not even jewish,book burnings, witch burnings, cross burnings ).
>In closing, let there be any news group people want, including
>cigars and if there's a cigar smoker at a restaurant the night you
>want to go, don't go. But don't decide that for other people.
Being an occasional cigar smoker and a regular pipe smoker, I realize that
there are times when my smoking is not appreciated. The thought I hear
being expressed, albeit in a less than calm manner, is that tobacco smoke in
general is not appreciated by everyone in a dining establishment. I rarely
smoke a cigar in public because the stong odor offends too many people. On
the other hand, I frequently smoke a pipe in public because people seem to
like the smell. I NEVER smoke in a restaurant!
I agree that there should be more tolerance of smokers, but smokers also
need to be more sensitive of non-smokers. If someone comes is noticably
offended by your smoking, set it down and let it go out. The damage caused
by offending people with your smoke can be quite costly. Matches are
cheap. Only then can we keep the LA smoking ban from become universal.
--------------
Marriage is 90% giving. The trick to a good marriage
is knowing when to take your 10%! -- Grandpa Inman.
Neil.F...@Rose-Hulman.Edu (812) 877 - 8316
Linda Cunningham
WR> In article <74439855...@Clone.his.com> linda.cu...@his.com
WR> (Linda Cunningham) writes:
> ME <34M...@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> writes:
ME> "A woman is only a woman. But a good cigar is a smoke."
ME> - R. Kipling
ME> Excellent! Bring on the cigar (and smoking in general) discussions.
> Then post in rec.smoke.fumigate.pollute.lung_cancer, please.
.....
WR> Linda, the same argument can be made for this news group and people
WR> that partake of alcoholic beverages; a substance that can be abused
WR> and be an irritant to other people. Your wine enthusiasm can really
WR> bother our fundamentalist practising folk in this country.
Fine. No one is asking them to read messages in a forum that deals with
alcohol. Just as I would not read messages in a forum that deals with
smoking. What I object to is messages discussing smoking in a forum tagged as
"rec.food.drink".
WR> I don't smoke cigarettes and I drink moderately. I practice tolerance
WR> and don't judge people of their likes or dislikes. The quicker this
WR> society adopts tolerance of other people, the quicker we could avoid
WR> the extreme intolerance and hate from the past (remember 6 million
WR> jews and I'm not even jewish,book burnings, witch burnings, cross
WR> burnings ).
The fact that I do not tolerate anyone smoking in my vicinity does not equate
me to Hitler. Get real.
WR> In closing, let there be any news group people want, including
WR> cigars and if there's a cigar smoker at a restaurant the night you
WR> want to go, don't go. But don't decide that for other people.
As long as I pay health insurance, I have a vested interest in seeing that as
many policyholders as possible live healthy lifestyles to reduce my premiums.
Let the fumigators start up their own newsgroup; there's nothing that can
spoil the taste of a fine meal with excellent wine faster than second-hand
smoke!
Linda
Scott Kramer
Hey there... I am curious... I am sure there are a few people out there who bothsmoke and drink, but why on rec.food.drink though??
Scott
Andrew Lewis Tepper
>many policyholders as possible live healthy lifestyles to reduce my premiums.
things "for my own good"? If this is the case, I want to make sure that
you do not: Ride a motorcycle, Drive a car without airbags and ABS, Go
skydiving, Engage in boating, Go skiing, Live in New York, Become a
student pilot... You get my point. You are correct that you should not
have to pay for risks I take, and the insurance companies are very good
at factoring those risks into your policy. (Of the 7 items I listed, my
insurance company factors in 5 of them.)
>Let the fumigators start up their own newsgroup; there's nothing that can
>spoil the taste of a fine meal with excellent wine faster than second-hand
>smoke!
I have put in a request for a netnews.rec.cigar, and gotten a
"preliminary NO". (He suggested that I create one on an "open node".
Someone help me out here, what is an open node?) I have written back to
advisor and asked why not, who else to contact, etc. It's true that
cigar discussions are not a proper part of rec.food.drink, but I can't
think of a more appropriate place for now.
Robin Garr
pipes and cigars section.
Klaus
Andrew Lewis Tepper <at...@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:
|>I have put in a request for a netnews.rec.cigar, and gotten a
|>"preliminary NO". (He suggested that I create one on an "open node".
|>Someone help me out here, what is an open node?) I have written back to
|>advisor and asked why not, who else to contact, etc. It's true that
|>cigar discussions are not a proper part of rec.food.drink, but I can't
|>think of a more appropriate place for now.
OK, I'm puzzled now... This netnews.whatever thing must be local to
your site. The way to get a new usenet newsgroup is to do a RFD, and
then take a vote. If you want to start a full-fledged usenet newsgroup
(like rec.cigar), read the postings on news.announce.newusers to find
out about the official procedure. Your local administrator can't just
go and create it (except in the alt hierarchy) if you want any kind of
propagation.
And yes, this is a totally inappropriate topic in rec.food.drink, just
as it was a totally inappropriate topic for the Wine Spectator. The
only connection to wine is that Marv Shanken, publisher of the Wine
Spectator, also likes cigars (and now publishes a magazine about them).
If Marv liked model railroads, that still wouldn't make them an appropriate
topic for a Wine Spectator feature (or for discussion in rec.food.drink).
And did you see those introductory ads for Cigar Afficionado (or whatever
it's called) a few years ago? I remember it had a line like "does your
wife not let you smoke cigars in the house?"... Get a clue, Marv.
-Klaus
Ted Feuerbach
[....]
: And yes, this is a totally inappropriate topic in rec.food.drink, just
Actually not, if you're trying to start a new newsgroup, you must
start the intial discussions in newsgroups where there are people
with potential interest, like here, where we all enjoy the finer
things in life. Like alcohol and caffeine. My beef is with the
people trying (and succeeding) to ban smoking in bars (where usually
about 85% of the people smoke). Is somebody who goes to bars enough
for the smoke to cause a problem really into their health? I think
not!
: I remember it had a line like "does your
: wife not let you smoke cigars in the house?"...
Dump her. I had a wife once that used to let me smoke cigars
in the house... Then her *HUSBAND* came home... Boy, he was
really pissed. ;-)
To Linda: Don't you think you ought to more considerate of those
of us who are dying? Besides, we won't be around much longer. ;-)
--
Ted Feuerbach - Scientific Systems Consultant - Trilogy Consulting
Drinking some wine, eating some cheese and soaking up the rays.
Disclaimer: These opinions are my own or can be had for $0.02.
Linda Cunningham
ALT> I have put in a request for a netnews.rec.cigar, and gotten a
ALT> "preliminary NO". (He suggested that I create one on an "open node".
ALT> Someone help me out here, what is an open node?) I have written back
ALT> to advisor and asked why not, who else to contact, etc. It's true
that
ALT> cigar discussions are not a proper part of rec.food.drink, but I can't
ALT> think of a more appropriate place for now.
So why bother discussing it here if you agree it's not proper? Have you
considered making it an alt. group rather than a rec. one?
"alt.hack.hack.spit.pollute.lung_cancer". I'd even vote for it....
Linda Cunningham
TF> To Linda: Don't you think you ought to more considerate of those
TF> of us who are dying? Besides, we won't be around much longer. ;-)
And condone your suicide? Call Dr. Kevorkian, at least his intravenous drip
doesn't pollute the air.... :-)
Linda
Klaus
I <heil...@phnom-penh.berkeley.edu> wrote:
|>And did you see those introductory ads for Cigar Afficionado (or whatever
|>it's called) a few years ago? I remember it had a line like "does your
|>wife not let you smoke cigars in the house?"... Get a clue, Marv.
I've found a copy of the old ad. In it, there's the line:
If you are an American who smuggles Cuban cigars into the U.S. or
have a wife who won't let you smoke at home, this publication is
especially for you.
I guess law-abiding women won't find much of interest in the magazine...
-Klaus
Klaus
|>Klaus (heil...@phnom-penh.berkeley.edu) wrote:
|>
|>: And yes, this is a totally inappropriate topic in rec.food.drink, just
|>
|>Actually not, if you're trying to start a new newsgroup, you must
|>start the intial discussions in newsgroups where there are people
|>with potential interest, like here, where we all enjoy the finer
|>things in life. Like alcohol and caffeine.
So why not post in rec.music.industrial, where everyone enjoys the finer
things in life. Like industrial music. Really, I don't think that
people who enjoy wine and coffee are any more likely to smoke cigars
than people who use Macintosh computers (or just about any other randomly
selected usenet demographic group). In fact, as several people have
pointed out, wine lovers often complain about having their enjoyment
of a fine wine spoiled by the stench of someone's cigar. This is
rec.food.drink, not rec.stuff.marv.shanken.likes.
-Klaus
Tyson F Nuss
> "A woman is only a woman. But a good cigar is a smoke."
> Excellent! Bring on the cigar (and smoking in general) discussions.
> I've often regretted that the net seems to be mostly a "non-smoking"
> section! BTW, I'd like to support the statement made on this group that
> some smokes are enhanced by certain drinks and vice versa. This, I find,
> is very true. It's not quite as classy as a Havana with a fine port but
> I like a clove cigarette with a glass of Gallo's Classic Rhine. Sorry if
> I've offended but who can account for personal taste? :-)
Try a pure Turkish cigaret (I recommend nonfilter Turkish Special
oval kings) with your favourite coffee/espresso drink--coffee and
Turkish go delightfully hand-in-hand.
> Does anyone know a good source for cigar peraphernalia? I'm looking
> specifically for a sterling or stainless circular cigar clipper (the kind
> that looks a bit like a silver dollar when not in use). Any tips would
> be looked upon kindly. Thanks.
I saw one in a Nat Sherman catalogue a while ago; hideously
expensive, tho'--'twas apparently made out of an actual antique coin!
One o' these days, I'll get around to writing up "Laszlo's List
of Luxury Smokes" and post it to the net. Any suggestions as to what
*other* froups might be interested?
%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\
___ A las...@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Mnsgr. Laszlo Christ, esq.)
| | {*} Redhead Afficionado Extraordinaire *and*
| | __V__ Little Canadia's Minister of Fine Tobacco Products
|_|o_|%%%|0_ Cigaret brands sampled: 68 import/luxury, 20 handrolling
| | "A hobby, not a habit - smoke less and enjoy it more!"
| | These opinions are not necessarily mine (or mine, either).
|_______| -----> Can anyone bum me a .sig?
Ted Feuerbach
: Really, I don't think that
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: people who enjoy wine and coffee are any more likely to smoke cigars
: than people who use Macintosh computers (or just about any other randomly
: selected usenet demographic group).
Ah, the 'ole usenet fake fact scam again... What you 'think' is not
a fact, so don't try to use that here to 'prove a point'. Go to the
library and read. People who drink alcohol are far more likely to smoke
than people who don't. Or just go to a bar and count the smokers vs.
nonsmokers.
Klaus, why are you so scared to allow discussion about cigars here
anyway? This is not your very own newsgroup. If a cigar newsgroup gets
started, the discussion will go there... Next time you see this
thread with a new response in it, just hit 'n'. All you are doing
here is acting like a bigot by harassing us for no good reason and
trying to violate our free speech rights. And don't use that 'ole
health argument unless you're drinking alcohol for your health.
Live and let live.
--
Ted Feuerbach - Feuerbach Technical Services - Mountain View, CA
Phone/Fax: (415) 988-6814 Email: t...@netcom.com
Disclaimer: These opinions are my own and are *NOT* the opinions of
either of my two ex-wives. However, they (the opinions, that is) can
be purchased for $0.02 in US funds. The ex-wives? $0.01 for both.
Bruce Smith
>
>Klaus, why are you so scared to allow discussion about cigars here
>anyway? This is not your very own newsgroup. If a cigar newsgroup gets
>started, the discussion will go there... Next time you see this
>thread with a new response in it, just hit 'n'. All you are doing
>here is acting like a bigot by harassing us for no good reason and
>trying to violate our free speech rights. And don't use that 'ole
>health argument unless you're drinking alcohol for your health.
Oh, come on! The reason a discussion of cigars is inapproriate here is that
this is rec.food.*drink*. We don't discuss baseball over in rec.sport.football.
pro, even tho' they're both sports, and even tho' many football fans are also
baseball fans. And you won't find any discussions about wine or whisky in alt.
beer, despite the commonality of alcoholic beverages.
If you lack a forum for cigar discussions, that's for you to resolve; it's
not net.correct to post to the inappropriate group and them claim bigotry and
violation of free speech when you receive complaints. Users of this group have
every right to complain about articles that don't deal directly with the
group's subject.
Bruce Smith
Ob.drink.opinion: Bushmill's Single Malt. Despite seeing less-than-enthusiastic
reviews of the stuff here, when a friend visited Ireland a couple of years ago,
I had her bring me back a liter of BSM. After all, wasn't Old Bushmill's
regular stuff pretty good? (Not to mention the outstanding Black Bush!)
The thin-bodied Irish whiskey in the green-labeled bottle proved disappointing
to me, however. I think both reg. Bushmill's & Black Bush both are superior to
the single malt.
Ted Feuerbach
: In article <tedCBo...@netcom.com> t...@netcom.com (Ted Feuerbach) writes:
: >
: >Klaus, why are you so scared to allow discussion about cigars here
: >anyway? This is not your very own newsgroup. If a cigar newsgroup gets
: >started, the discussion will go there... Next time you see this
: >thread with a new response in it, just hit 'n'. All you are doing
: >here is acting like a bigot by harassing us for no good reason and
: >trying to violate our free speech rights. And don't use that 'ole
: >health argument unless you're drinking alcohol for your health.
: Oh, come on! The reason a discussion of cigars is inapproriate here is that
: this is rec.food.*drink*. We don't discuss baseball over in rec.sport.football.
: pro, even tho' they're both sports, and even tho' many football fans are also
: baseball fans. And you won't find any discussions about wine or whisky in alt.
: beer, despite the commonality of alcoholic beverages.
: If you lack a forum for cigar discussions, that's for you to resolve; it's
: not net.correct to post to the inappropriate group and them claim bigotry and
What do you really know about the net? If there was no rec.sport.baseball
then we *WOULD* go there to discuss starting a newsgroup, as well as any
other newsgroup that might contain interested parties. If you don't like
this discussion, put it in your kill file or just ignore it. You have
a chip on your shoulder about tobacco and are just looking for a fight.
We however would like to start a new newsgroup and need a place to start
talking about it. Have you noticed that there *ARE* several readers
here that are interested? Get lost and let us discuss this. If it works,
you'll be rid of us in rec.cigar.
Bruce Smith
>What do you really know about the net?
In the 4+ years I've been here, I've learned *plenty* about the net, bud.
If there was no rec.sport.baseball
>then we *WOULD* go there to discuss starting a newsgroup, as well as any
>other newsgroup that might contain interested parties.
Your discussion has *far* exceeded starting a new newsgroup.
If you don't like
>this discussion, put it in your kill file or just ignore it. You have
>a chip on your shoulder about tobacco and are just looking for a fight.
Wrong. I've ignored it until now, figuring that you cigar-people were
entitled to get things going for yourselves. I have not offered evidence
regarding my attitude toward tobacco, I stated only that rec.food.
drink was not the place to discuss cigars. Nothing like a good net.fight,
though.
>We however would like to start a new newsgroup and need a place to start
>talking about it. Have you noticed that there *ARE* several readers
>here that are interested?
Yep. Good luck.
Get lost and let us discuss this. If it works, you'll be rid of us in
rec.cigar.
>
Get LOST? Oh my, right away sir! By the way, you've got that cigar in the wrong
orifice.
Bruce Smith
Steve Lamont
>then we *WOULD* go there to discuss starting a newsgroup, as well as any
Nope. Discussions of new news groups should be in news.groups. A
[RC]FD (Request/Call For Discussion -- I forget the precise
nomenclature) might be posted to other groups but the main discussion
should certainly take place in news.groups.
Followups directed there.
>Disclaimer: These opinions are my own and are *NOT* the opinions of
>either of my two ex-wives. However, they (the opinions, that is) can
>be purchased for $0.02 in US funds. The ex-wives? $0.01 for both.
Hmmmm.... two time loser. One might be tempted to wonder why...
maybe the cigars? :-) :-) :-)
spl
--
Steve Lamont, SciViGuy -- (619) 534-7968 -- s...@szechuan.ucsd.edu
San Diego Microscopy and Imaging Resource/UC San Diego/La Jolla, CA 92093-0608
"Pitiful Lear, not even you could/out-shout the storm..."
- William Carlos Williams, "Lear"
Klaus
|>: >
|>: >Klaus, why are you so scared to allow discussion about cigars here
|>: >anyway? This is not your very own newsgroup.
Well, since this is addressed to me, I guess I'll reply. Basically, I
agree with what Bruce said. I'm not scared of cigars, or discussion
about cigars. I'm just not interested. If there was discussion
about caviar here, I'd call that inappropriate too. If you want to
create a rec.cigars group, issue an official RFD (and no, I won't
complain if you post a copy to this group), being sure to direct all
followups to news.groups.
|>What do you really know about the net?
Good argument!
|>Get lost
In a minute...
|>You have a chip on your shoulder about tobacco and are just looking for
|>a fight.
Let's see...
I agreed with other posters who said that this was not appropriate for
rec.food.drink, and I gave my reasons.
You said why disagreed with me.
I responded to your reply.
You called me a bigot and accused me of trying to violate your free
speech rights.
Now who's looking for a fight here?
(By the way, I don't have a chip on my shoulder about tobacco, though
perhaps I have a bit of a chip on my shoulder about Marv Shanken...)
|>Disclaimer: These opinions are my own and are *NOT* the opinions of
|>either of my two ex-wives. However, they (the opinions, that is) can
|>be purchased for $0.02 in US funds. The ex-wives? $0.01 for both.
Charming...
-Klaus
Linda Cunningham
K> <heil...@phnom-penh.berkeley.edu> wrote:
|> And did you see those introductory ads for Cigar Afficionado (or
|> whatever
|> it's called) a few years ago? I remember it had a line like "does your
|> wife not let you smoke cigars in the house?"... Get a clue, Marv.
K> I've found a copy of the old ad. In it, there's the line:
K> If you are an American who smuggles Cuban cigars into the U.S. or
K> have a wife who won't let you smoke at home, this publication is
K> especially for you.
K> I guess law-abiding women won't find much of interest in the
K> magazine...
With all those phallic cigars? ;-)
Linda
Dave Kehlet
> heil...@phnom-penh.berkeley.edu (Klaus) writes:
> K> I guess law-abiding women won't find much of interest in the
> K> magazine...
>
> With all those phallic cigars? ;-)
As Freud said, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
Dave
Linda Cunningham
K> This is rec.food.drink, not rec.stuff.marv.shanken.likes.
ROFL! Best laugh I've had in this newsgroup for ages! :-)
Linda
August Chiausa
old Cognac and a hand rolled Cuban Cigar.
Martin Lodahl
>There is nothing on this planet which goes together as well as a 30 year
>old Cognac and a hand rolled Cuban Cigar.
Except, perhaps, a 30-year-old Armagnac, and a hand-rolled Cuban cigar.
Saturday a group of us tried pairing various Cuban and a few Dominican
hand-rolls with a variety of single-malt Scotches; no unpleasant
combinations were found.
--
= Martin Lodahl Systems Analyst, Capacity Planning, Pacific*Bell =
= mal...@pacbell.com Sacramento, CA USA 916.972.4821 =
= If it's good for ancient Druids runnin' nekkid through the wuids, =
= Drinkin' strange fermented fluids, it's good enough for me! (Unk.) =
a.e.mossberg
>There is nothing on this planet which goes together as well as a 30 year
>old Cognac and a hand rolled Cuban Cigar.
It's not enough to have non-drink topics in rec.food.drink? We also need
admissions of contravening the U.S. Trade Embargo against Cuba, which
disallows the importation of any Cuban product even through third
countries?
Hey! And you're with NIH? Smoking is bad for your health babe.
aem
--
andrew eric mossberg / symbiosis corporation / pahayokee bioregion
(305) 597-4110 / fax: (305) 597-4002 / a...@symbiosis.ahp.com
August Chiausa
(Martin Lodahl) writes:
|> In article <1993Aug1...@helix.nih.gov> au...@helix.nih.gov
(August Chiausa) writes:
|> >There is nothing on this planet which goes together as well as a 30
year
|> >old Cognac and a hand rolled Cuban Cigar.
|>
|> Except, perhaps, a 30-year-old Armagnac, and a hand-rolled Cuban
cigar.
|> Saturday a group of us tried pairing various Cuban and a few
Dominican
|> hand-rolls with a variety of single-malt Scotches; no unpleasant
|> combinations were found.
Right you are. Have you ever tried Usqubah (sp?). I can afford a
bottle of this stuff about once every few years. A true religous
experience. Could you send me some of the brand names of some of those
Dominican Smokes. Do it off line so we don't offend the net.morality
police.
Augie