Morning
Ulf Fischer
A morning without coffee is a wrong one.
I like microwave-hot-water with instant-coffee and artifical sugger.
And YOU?
Golden Richard
You're sick sick SICK!!!!! :)
Cheers,
--Golden
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Matt Conlon
Fischer) wrote:
Wow, that's kind of hard-core minimal, eh?
I've settled on Medaglia d'Oro (sp?) (Gold Medal?) espresso roast coffee
(product of Italy). I make it like regular drip coffee, except that I
probably use about half as much because it tastes nice and strong. I drink
it black with no sugar. I have a coffee maker with a timer, so I wake up to
the smell of my coffee brewing.
Matt
Fred Condo
>
> A morning without coffee is a wrong one.
A morning without coffee is like a coma. :-)
> I like microwave-hot-water with instant-coffee and artifical sugger.
> And YOU?
Goodness, no! Coffee made from freshly-ground beans stored in the
refrigerator is vastly better than instant coffee. It is well worth the
little bit of extra effort.
I add sugar only to espresso -- and only real sugar. My regular morning
coffee, I have black.
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Tim Mullen
>In article <2s2gh1$3...@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> caro...@cs.tu-berlin.de (Ulf Fischer) writes:
>>A morning without coffee is a wrong one.
>>I like microwave-hot-water with instant-coffee and artifical sugger.
>>And YOU?
My motto is "No natural anything". When shopping for food-things at
the supermarket, always check for an expiration date -- if it doesn't
have one, you know it's *good stuff*. If it does have one, make sure
it's at least in the next century.
>You're sick sick SICK!!!!! :)
But remember, "Practice makes perfect"! :)
>Cheers,
>--Golden
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Mathew Revington
How about some of that non-dairy edible oil product fake milk powder. Now theres
a flavour to savour in the morning.
Matt Revington
Keith Dreibelbis
For me, tap-hot-water and instant-coffee is good enough. So
what if it tastes bad. Just give me some coffee!!! :) No sugger
(sic) on it... why pretend that we drink coffee because we like how it
tastes?
Uh, this morning was a bad one, but the afternoon is looking
better.
Dribbs (two b's, not 3)
Kurt A. Kistler
: In article <2s2gh1$3...@news.cs.tu-berlin.de>, caro...@cs.tu-berlin.de (Ulf
: Fischer) wrote:
: Matt
I have heard that espresso beans have less caffeine/bean than say
Columbian beans, but what makes espresso strong is the amount used
per cup. Coffee's which smell and taste strong, like espresso or
French roast, have been roasted longer, but are actually milder
as far as caffeine is concerned. It might be your are making
very mild coffee.
BTW, I like Lavazza in a Bodem coffee maker, very strong, with heavy cream.
Kurt
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Andrew Klossner
"I like microwave-hot-water with instant-coffee and artifical
sugger."
I've heard apocryphal tales about an engineering establishment near the
French-German border. Inside were two coffee makers, one labeled
"French" and the other "German." The stuff in the French pot had,
shall we say, a relatively low water content.
-=- Andrew Klossner (and...@frip.wv.tek.com)
Chris Myers
|> Goodness, no! Coffee made from freshly-ground beans stored in the
|> refrigerator is vastly better than instant coffee. It is well worth the
|> little bit of extra effort.
Amen to that!
We grind our own beans fresh every morning and make it a cup at a time. I used
up the last of the Jamaican Blue Mountain this morning. :-( So I will have to
settle for Kona or Kenya. 8-).
Chris
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Dick Jackson
Pfah!!! And I was just going to post about the superiority of
European coffee (I am English).
But seriously folks, there is some significant difference between
even restaurant coffee in Europe and in the States. I have tried
all kinds of beans and all kinds of roasts and have not found
the Euro taste. The closest was New Orleans coffee, which has a chicory
tastes that knocks you on the head. Maybe its a trace of chicory
in Europe.
By Europe I mean Britain and France. Further East you get the
Turkish influence, Austrian specialities, etc. All good in their way
though.
Dick Jackson
Ashley Taft
Yes, I'm talking about REAL coffee! Drink half of the cup, and let the
grounds settle to get that last sip!
My brother also makes a killer cuppa cap. He doesn't steam the milk,
though...He has one of those Nifty Devices that can turn skim milk into
whipped cream. He also never sticks to one bean. A typical pot of his
coffee has a fistful of one flavor, and a fistful of another.
Kicks butt, I dare say.
Ashley
P.S.-> Anybody in the CowTown (You know who you are!) know where I can
find good Turkish/Greek coffee?
Jak Kirman
Fred> A morning without coffee is like a coma. :-)
So that's why I never remember those mornings :-)
Fred> Goodness, no! Coffee made from freshly-ground beans stored in the
Fred> refrigerator is vastly better than instant coffee. It is well worth the
Fred> little bit of extra effort.
I certainly agree that coffee made from coffee beans is vastly better
than instant coffee; incidentally, I occasionally find myself in this
unfortunate position: I am at someone else's house; the host offers me
coffee. I accept gratefully. The host gets out a jar of instant coffee
and starts to make it. While valiantly trying to suppress the gag
reflex, I mumble something about having changed my mind, invariably
producing a puzzled look on the host's face. Is this unconscionably
rude?
Anyway, that wasn't the point of this posting -- I was curious about the
notion that one should refrigerate coffee. This is accepted wisdom in
the US, but I don't recall seeing anyone do this in France or Italy,
where coffee is almost a religion. I used to drink French Carte
Noire, then Lavazza (Italian espresso), now Kimbo (also Italian
espresso; I find it much better than Lavazza). I buy it pre-ground,
vacuum-packed. As far as I can tell, there is no degradation of quality
in the can, and although I keep it un-refrigerated (in a sealed
container) I cannot tell the difference between the first cup and the
last. I make it either using a stove-top espresso maker or a small
electric espresso maker. I usually finish a 250g can in 4-5 days.
Why do I not see any difference? Am I just being unobservant? Are
people talking about storing coffee for longer periods? Is it different
for espresso? For drip-made coffee?
Jak Kirman j...@cs.brown.edu
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Juergen Stockburger
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I have heard that espresso beans have less caffeine/bean than say
Columbian beans, but what makes espresso strong is the amount used
per cup. Coffee's which smell and taste strong, like espresso or
French roast, have been roasted longer, but are actually milder
as far as caffeine is concerned. It might be your are making
very mild coffee.
BTW, I like Lavazza in a Bodem coffee maker, very strong, with heavy cream.
Kurt
Espresso is typically a mixture of arabica and robusta beans, or is
made from 100% arabica. Arabica has a lot less caffeine, about 20% of
the caffeine content of a typical robusta (says Italian roaster
Kimbo).
My experience is that an espresso is much easier on the
stomach than standard roasts. People tell me that this depends more on
the kind of roast than on the kind of bean.
J:)rgen
Marcus J Ranum
>refrigerator is vastly better than instant coffee.
You only need to refrigerate coffee if it's freshly roasted.
Otherwise, consider that it wasn't likely to have been refrigerated
while it was being shipped from Africa or Columbia or wherever it
came from. :) Coffee snobs often don't realize that leaving beans
in the fridge is kind of silly, if they've already spent MONTHS
sitting in a burlap sack in a warehouse.
If you roast your own beans, by all means refrigerate the
results -- but if you roast your own, you should just roast a
week's worth (i.e., a pound) at a time and drink it while it's
fresh. If you buy preroasted beans, keep the beans un-ground and
invest in a mill for your home coffee equipment. Milling your
beans instants before cooking will give you a better brew than
buying pre-ground beans and refrigerating them ever will.
mjr.
William Seabrook
came up with nothing. This afternoon, when I go to rn, there it is....
My reason for this is I purchased an Espresso/Cappucino machine last night.
It was late when I got back so I haven't had time to try it out yet.
I completely agree with whoever said that ground coffee is the way to go....
freshly ground coffee has a wonderful, slightly fruity quality that is lost
even hours after grinding. I suggest (to those interested) getting a
Krups Touch-Top (c) coffee mill. I have found that these are the most
sturdy and reliable--and it pays. I had a cheap one once, and the tips
of the blades eventually broke off in the coffee!
As for keeping the beans in the fridge, I tend to do this, but I'm
not sure exactly how much the beans are affected if kept at room temperature.
There is a school of thought that, after grinding, the grounds should be
microwaved for 30 seconds before brewing; preheating
is supposed to bring out more flavor. Again, I have tried this, but I can't
dicern much difference.
My ONLY problem with coffee is the caffeine. It's a love/hate thing.
I won't touch decaff, because it smacks of being "fixed," like a pet or
something--not quite complete. Unfortunately, however, I am very
sensitive to that stimulant, so, unless I want to have the nervous
jitters and namless anxieties all day, I am alas limited to one, _maybe_
two cups in the morning. The coffee/espresso family has between 50 and
200 miligrams of caffeine per serving, espresso being at the upper end
of course. Since, to compare, Jolt Cola has 71 mg per can,
I'm going to have to watch my espresso intake *chuckle*
Anybody have opinions on percolating? This is a trick question.
--Will the proud new owner of a so-far unused Delonghi Cafe Vario Cappuchino
Machine.
email at dsg...@cdslr1.atsc.allied.com
or seab...@ghidrah.umiacs.umd.edu
Samuel H Theiner
young and hooked on caffeine....
Instant coffee! Yeah! Who the hell has the brain power to brew coffee
before HAVING coffee? If I cared what my coffee tastes like, I'd by a
coffee machine!
And just what is sugger, anyways? 8-)
Larry DeLuca
and enough sugar that there's sludge on the bottom.
larry...
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Dan Masi
Lukewarm tap water w/ 3 Tbs of Postum imitation instant morning beverage,
with 3 Vivarin tablets dissolved (in place of the sugar; I don't like
the taste of sugar).
Sometimes when I feel the need for a healthy fruit drink, I'll add a
couple teaspoons of TANG to the mix. Breakfast-in-a-Dixie-Cup, I call
it.
Dan Masi
Mentor Graphics Corp.
da...@warren.mentorg.com
Naruhisa Takashima
I find that the best way to keep ground coffee is to keep it at
room temperature in a sealed container. It seems that when
you refrigerate it, the ground loose its aroma.
Could it be due to the dry air in the fridge?
I guess the best way to do it is to ground it right before
you drink it....
Naru Takashima
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Dripped from quality grounds. Excess should be kept in the fridge
overnight, have a generous amount of sugar stirred in, then cream and an
icecube added. Make your own ICE COFFEE. It's the best, and you can
drink about 4 cups before even realizing what you've done to your
metabolism for the rest of the day. This only works if you make it strong.
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Dan Masi <da...@warren.mentorg.com> wrote:
>Lukewarm tap water w/ 3 Tbs of Postum imitation instant morning beverage,
>with 3 Vivarin tablets dissolved (in place of the sugar; I don't like
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>the taste of sugar).
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>Dan Masi
>Mentor Graphics Corp.
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Paul J. Giguere
wrote:
> You only need to refrigerate coffee if it's freshly roasted.
> Otherwise, consider that it wasn't likely to have been refrigerated
> while it was being shipped from Africa or Columbia or wherever it
> came from. :) Coffee snobs often don't realize that leaving beans
> in the fridge is kind of silly, if they've already spent MONTHS
> sitting in a burlap sack in a warehouse.
Actually, I thought that the reason you should keep your beans in the
fridge is that they grind better and brew better in the coffemaker if they
are cold. This could be just coffee folklore though.
Paul
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Juergen Stockburger
> Anyway, that wasn't the point of this posting -- I was curious about the
> notion that one should refrigerate coffee. This is accepted wisdom in
> the US, but I don't recall seeing anyone do this in France or Italy,
> where coffee is almost a religion. I used to drink French Carte
> Noire, then Lavazza (Italian espresso), now Kimbo (also Italian
> espresso; I find it much better than Lavazza).
Kimbo is my favourite, too. Could you give me a hint where you can buy it?
> I buy it pre-ground,
> vacuum-packed.
Are you sure? In Europe they sell Kimbo in *pressurized* cans -- keeps
some of the more delicate substances from evaporating.
> As far as I can tell, there is no degradation of quality
> in the can, and although I keep it un-refrigerated (in a sealed
> container) I cannot tell the difference between the first cup and the
> last. I make it either using a stove-top espresso maker or a small
> electric espresso maker. I usually finish a 250g can in 4-5 days.
> Why do I not see any difference? Am I just being unobservant? Are
> people talking about storing coffee for longer periods? Is it different
> for espresso? For drip-made coffee?
You're either an addict, or you have friends who share your taste. I
think people are talking about something like weeks...
Cheers,
J:)rgen
Paul Collins - CVLE/F93
: I find that the best way to keep ground coffee is to keep it at
: room temperature in a sealed container. It seems that when
: you refrigerate it, the ground loose its aroma.
: Could it be due to the dry air in the fridge?
I had been told by a so-called expert that coffee must be frozen when not
in active use. I too keep my coffee sealed in the 'fridge, awaiting the
grinder. I think the reason for your lack of aroma in ground,
refrigerated coffee is that the aroma is carried to our olfactory by
brownian motion: if you let the coffee warm to room temp., you'll find the
aroma is back (more energy in the system!). The critical thing is to keep
your coffee (beans or ground) sealed, as this way the coffee does not lose
too much of its natural moisture.
I have found that inexpensive bean coffees a la Loblaws or A&P are better
(when ground immediately before brewing) than expensive coffees unsealed
for 1 day!
pcol...@malthus.acs.ryerson.ca Paul S. Collins (Wally to you!)
joanslab
Instant coffee...artificial sugar...microwaved...sounds great to me! But
ONLY if you add some sort of artificial "coffee whitener" or fake cream.
Delicious!
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Paul Worthington
|> In article <2s2gh1$3...@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> caro...@cs.tu-berlin.de (Ulf Fischer) writes:
|> ...
|> But seriously folks, there is some significant difference between
|> even restaurant coffee in Europe and in the States. I have tried
|> all kinds of beans and all kinds of roasts and have not found
|> the Euro taste. The closest was New Orleans coffee, which has a chicory
|> tastes that knocks you on the head. Maybe its a trace of chicory
|> in Europe.
Damn straight. Boy, do I miss the coffee in New Orleans. French Market
was the only kind to buy. Even Luzianne was good once in a while, though.
Paul
Paul Worthington
|> In article <2s2gh1$3...@news.cs.tu-berlin.de>, caro...@cs.tu-berlin.de (Ulf
|> Fischer) wrote:
|>
|> >
|> > A morning without coffee is a wrong one.
|>
|> A morning without coffee is like a coma. :-)
|>
On the other hand, I *can't stand* coffee in the morning. Yuk. I just
hate the taste and smell of it and don't need it to "wake up".
I prefer to grind and brew my own fresh double cappucinos at 10 or 10:30
at night. Surprisingly, it doesn't keep me awake much, and I fall asleep
by 11:30, no problem.
Paul
Dick Jackson
>
> You only need to refrigerate coffee if it's freshly roasted.
>Otherwise, consider that it wasn't likely to have been refrigerated
>while it was being shipped from Africa or Columbia or wherever it
>came from. :) Coffee snobs often don't realize that leaving beans
>in the fridge is kind of silly, if they've already spent MONTHS
>sitting in a burlap sack in a warehouse.
We keep our coffe beans in the freezer. I agree its probably not
necessary but I rationalise it by remembering that coffee *does* get
stale after some time (how long?) and that the lower temp in the
freezer will slow down whatever oxidation? process is going on.
I can't see that it can do any harm. After grinding and bathing
in hot water the powder must heat up so quickly that it can't
remember ever being cold.
Incidentally, my old pappy used to say to use hot but not boiling
water for coffee. Anyone insist boiling is best?
I use a jug/filter combo with water poured from the kettle, by the
way. I think that the water that comes down from a drip system is
not at boiling point(?).
Dick Jackson
Kip Voytek
>In <2s2gh1$3...@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> caro...@cs.tu-berlin.de (Ulf Fischer) writes:
>>A morning without coffee is a wrong one.
>>I like microwave-hot-water with instant-coffee and artifical sugger.
>>And YOU?
>Dripped from quality grounds. Excess should be kept in the fridge
>overnight, have a generous amount of sugar stirred in, then cream and an
>icecube added. Make your own ICE COFFEE. It's the best, and you can
>drink about 4 cups before even realizing what you've done to your
>metabolism for the rest of the day. This only works if you make it strong.
Actually, for iced coffee that can afford to have ice cubes melt in it
for a few minutes the coffee needs to be *really* strong -- too strong
for regular drinking in my book. While I usually don't like any extra
flavoring in my coffee (outside of chicory) vanilla and chocolate
enhanced coffees, brewed biomass style, make great iced coffee.
Dennis Tetreault
one day, I had coffee with a friend, and she bought me a cup
of Hazelnut coffee. WOW! Now that I can deal with. Then here
at work we had Swiss CHocolate Almond. Now I find I have about
6 flavors that I love (but straight coffee is still revolting
to me). And just yesterday I tried some butterscotch concoction that
has a real great taste to it.
At a buck a cup, I think I'm going broke!
dennis
But I'll be wired!
George Flanagin
: You only need to refrigerate coffee if it's freshly roasted.
: Otherwise, consider that it wasn't likely to have been refrigerated
: while it was being shipped from Africa or Columbia or wherever it
: came from. :) Coffee snobs often don't realize that leaving beans
: in the fridge is kind of silly, if they've already spent MONTHS
: sitting in a burlap sack in a warehouse.
-g-> Coffee is not shipped across the seven seas in a
roased state. As long as coffee is still "green," it can be stored
in those burlap sacks for a year or two, although it becomes less
acidic (when roasted) with the passage of time in its green state.
: If you roast your own beans, by all means refrigerate the
: results -- but if you roast your own, you should just roast a
: week's worth (i.e., a pound) at a time and drink it while it's
: fresh. If you buy preroasted beans, keep the beans un-ground and
: invest in a mill for your home coffee equipment. Milling your
: beans instants before cooking will give you a better brew than
: buying pre-ground beans and refrigerating them ever will.
-g-> Refrigerating the beans is pretty suspect, too. Unless you
leave the beans out on the dining room table on a cookie sheet
as your storage method of choice, taking the beans in and out of
the cold storage probably does more harm than good. Roasted
coffee is hygroscopic (absorbs water from the air), and the
repeated exposure of cold coffee to warm air makes it go south
in a hurry, even when that exposure is for a minute or two. Once
the water has made contact and formed the condensation layer, it
stays with the coffee and begins to disolve its protective layer.
-g-> Roasting one's own coffee is pretty easy to get the hang of.
You must waste a good five to ten pounds to catch on to the
procedure, but it can be done.
george
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Jak Kirman
Juergen> (Juergen Stockburger) writes: Kimbo is my favourite,
Juergen> too. Could you give me a hint where you can buy it?
From a small Italian deli in Rhode Island -- probably not very useful to
you :-) I will ask who their distributor is, though, and perhaps you can
find out from them if anywhere in your area stocks it.
Jak>> I buy it pre-ground, vacuum-packed.
Juergen> Are you sure? In Europe they sell Kimbo in *pressurized* cans
Juergen> -- keeps some of the more delicate substances from
Juergen> evaporating.
Well, the can says vacuum-packed, and I have also seen it in soft
packets (some kind of metal-coated plastic, I think) that were clearly
vacuum-packed. This is the standard packaging in France, too. Where do
they pressurize it?
Jak>> As far as I can tell, there is no degradation of quality
Jak>> in the can, and although I keep it un-refrigerated (in a sealed
Jak>> container) I cannot tell the difference between the first cup and the
Jak>> last. I make it either using a stove-top espresso maker or a small
Jak>> electric espresso maker. I usually finish a 250g can in 4-5 days.
Jak>> Why do I not see any difference? Am I just being unobservant? Are
Jak>> people talking about storing coffee for longer periods? Is it different
Jak>> for espresso? For drip-made coffee?
Juergen> You're either an addict, or you have friends who share your taste. I
Juergen> think people are talking about something like weeks...
Just me :-) I drink more (and stronger) coffee than most people I know
in the US, though I never get headaches when I stop for a while,
e.g. when travelling. Some of the people here have been talking of
drinking a pound a week, which seems a lot to me... I could certainly
see the coffee going stale if it was kept for weeks in a container that
was opened every day, but I am still curious as to whether refrigeration
helps.
Jak Kirman j...@cs.brown.edu
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Lindsay Adams
Straight from the bean or nothing, that's coffee. The only pre-processing
I want is grinding.
RE: cigarettes and coffee? Well, 1 part nicotine and 1 part caffeine must
equal a protein as a friend of mine conjectured.
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Ed Janik
>
> A morning without coffee is a wrong one.
> I like microwave-hot-water with instant-coffee and artifical sugger.
> And YOU?
At my last job (A.C. Nielsen, Northbrook, Il. USA) I had to bring my own
thermos
or shell out a half dollar for really crappy coffee or a dollar for good
coffee
(Starbucks). Now at SPSS Chicago, Il. USA I get FREE Starbucks
coffee...all I
want...hell, I'd work for *free* just to drink all of this wonderful
coffee...
I *LOVE* COFFEE...COFFEE IS MY LORD AND SAVIOR!!!!! I WANT TO TAKE A BATH
IN
COFFEE!!! I WANT TO MAKE LOVE TO COFFEE!!!! JUST GIVE ME COFFEE!!!!
ESPRESSO!!!
CAPPUCHINO!!!! CAFE LATTE!!!! CAFE MOCHA!!!!! COFFEE GROUNDS
SANDWICHES!!!!!!!!
Excuse me, that was very silly. I enjoy Starbucks coffee and cappuchino
the
best. And check out the forthcoming Bad Examples c.d. on the Waterdog
Label
coming out some time in late summer '94 for a song about caffeine addiction
by
that songwriting genius Ralph Covert. The song is titled "Floating In My
Coffee". The Bad Examples play in Chicago a lot, and often tour in
Holland.
They are the greatest rock and roll band in the WORLD!! I LOVE THE BAD
EXAMPLES!
THE BAD EXAMPLES ARE MY LORD AND SAVIOR!!!! I WANT TO MAKE LOVE TO...okay,
maybe
not...my wife would be really concerned.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!
Erik Ramberg
(William Seabrook) wrote:
> I suggest (to those interested) getting a
> Krups Touch-Top (c) coffee mill. I have found that these are the most
> sturdy and reliable--and it pays. I had a cheap one once, and the tips
> of the blades eventually broke off in the coffee!
Get a mill grinder. Besides being extreamly convenient (I just dial the
amount I need and it grinds it out for me) the grinds are much more
uniform, are not heated by the process, and you can also finely tune the
grind.
> There is a school of thought that, after grinding, the grounds should be
> microwaved for 30 seconds before brewing; preheating
> is supposed to bring out more flavor. Again, I have tried this, but I can't
> dicern much difference.
Ugh, this is probably not a good idea. The real flavor in coffee is in the
oils...and any heating of the grounds can reduce the ability of the water
to extract the oils. Keep in mind that espresso water should be around 80
degrees centigrade for a perfect draw. (Along with lots of pressure.)
Heating the grounds just seems to wierd to me.
>
> Anybody have opinions on percolating? This is a trick question.
>
Krups Brewmaster with a gold foil insert does the job for me. Just make
sure you clean it often, use cold distilled water, and ignore the cup scale
on the side of the machine--I use 1.5 measures of grounds per measure of
water, but I need 3 measures to make myself one cup of coffee!?!
>
> --Will, the proud new owner of a so-far unused Delonghi Cafe Vario Cappuchino
> Machine.
Good choice for a machine. Myself, I prefer the La Pavoni. I guess I like
the idea of pulling the lever...it makes me feel like I'm making my own cup
rather than the machine.
-Erik
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Nothing that I say can be construed as the opinion of my employer.
Crystal Bishop
da...@warren.mentorg.com (Dan Masi) wrote:
> Lukewarm tap water w/ 3 Tbs of Postum imitation instant morning beverage,
> with 3 Vivarin tablets dissolved (in place of the sugar; I don't like
> the taste of sugar).
>
> Sometimes when I feel the need for a healthy fruit drink, I'll add a
> couple teaspoons of TANG to the mix. Breakfast-in-a-Dixie-Cup, I call
> it.
>
> Dan Masi
> Mentor Graphics Corp.
> da...@warren.mentorg.com
Yowsa! I'm in love....
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no plan, no quotes, just me
Kasper Gustavsson
Juergen Stockburger <jue...@mizar.usc.edu> wrote:
>In article <JAK.94Ma...@aruba.cs.brown.edu> j...@cs.brown.edu (Jak Kirman) writes:
>
>> I usually finish a 250g can in 4-5 days.
>>Are people talking about storing coffee for longer periods?
>
>think people are talking about something like weeks...
Well, as a high school student I usually have NO problems in finishing
half a kilo in two weeks when reading for the tests. And now where
speaking cheap, bad coffee. If I would have good coffee at home I would
only be drinking instead of studying.
When I want good coffee I usually go to some cafe or something, good
coffee should be acompanied with a nice environment.
/Kasper
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Gregory Welch
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|>
|> Anyway, that wasn't the point of this posting -- I was curious about the
|> notion that one should refrigerate coffee. This is accepted wisdom in
|> the US, but I don't recall seeing anyone do this in France or Italy,
|> where coffee is almost a religion. I used to drink French Carte
|> Noire, then Lavazza (Italian espresso), now Kimbo (also Italian
|> vacuum-packed. As far as I can tell, there is no degradation of quality
|> in the can, and although I keep it un-refrigerated (in a sealed
|>
|> Why do I not see any difference? Am I just being unobservant? Are
|> people talking about storing coffee for longer periods? Is it different
|> for espresso? For drip-made coffee?
|>
|> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
|> De gustibus non est disputandum.
You know, I keep my beans in an air-tight container (clear plastic w/ screw-
on lid), UNrefrigerated, and the flavor is consistently wonderful! In fact,
I found it to be better (maintained better) than when I refrigerated the
same container (I am guessing that the cold temps may have deformed the
container slightly, allowing air to pass the seal.) So now, NO refrigeration,
simply an air-tight container, and I am very happy w/ the flavor retention.
BTW, for the bad coffee syndrome (when you're offered bad coffee at another
person's house, etc.) I simply say "Yes, I'd love some", I taste it, and if
it's not palatable I simply don't drink any more. If they don't know me
well enough to know about my lust for fine coffee, they probably won't
make much ado about the fact that I drink very little of their precious
brew. :-)
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University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
Department of Computer Science
Michael Mallory
In article <2s2gh1$3...@news.cs.tu-berlin.de>, caro...@cs.tu-berlin.de (Ulf Fischer) writes:
>
>A morning without coffee is a wrong one.
>I like microwave-hot-water with instant-coffee and artifical sugger.
>And YOU?
>
Crystals with generic brand skim milk. Turn the kettle off shortly
before the wistle if you are in a rush and need to guzzle it down.
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> notion that one should refrigerate coffee.
Actually if you need to store coffee beans you should freeze them. This is for
long term storage only. Coffee beans used for your daily cup(s) should be
kept at room temp. This way the oils can flow freely. Beans kept in the
frig tend to dull and the coffee will not be extruded properly. A good
method is to keep about 1 weeks worth of beans in a jar at room temp.
Jeff
Barista at the Coffe Staion, Moscow, Idaho
john boye
: -g-> Roasting one's own coffee is pretty easy to get the hang of.
: You must waste a good five to ten pounds to catch on to the
: procedure, but it can be done.
Exactly how does one go about roasting one's own? Any hints?
I'd like to try it. Thanks.
Nancy Lyons
>
>A morning without coffee is a wrong one.
>I like microwave-hot-water with instant-coffee and artifical sugger.
>And YOU?
Yes, sounds good.
I have even been known to drink a cup of coffee that has been sitting
on my office desk since the day before. Pretty bad, huh?
Nil
David A. Podgursky
do you eat the grounds and then drink the water?
I know that there are places that they do not make
coffee as Americans know and love it...
A
for example in the midle east they drink "turkish' or 'nescafe'...
either brutally strong or instant!
but instant coffee grounds have to be the most offensive invention
since percolator
David's 2 cents
:wq
s
:wq
David A. Podgursky
the warming proccess/thawing is done in grinding...
they stay great
and aromatic...
the fridge is not a dry place, but the freezer is...
the trick is to just bring it out long enough to get whatever coffee
you need and then to return it
Rob Heerdink
>But seriously folks, there is some significant difference between
>even restaurant coffee in Europe and in the States. I have tried
>all kinds of beans and all kinds of roasts and have not found
>the Euro taste. The closest was New Orleans coffee, which has a chicory
>tastes that knocks you on the head. Maybe its a trace of chicory
>in Europe.
>By Europe I mean Britain and France. Further East you get the
>Turkish influence, Austrian specialities, etc. All good in their way
>though.
British that know how to make real coffee? This is something new...
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Mary Packwood
ever seen this rec.food.etc. group. But I've always wanted to complain to
a coffee-drinker about the plight of tea drinkers. At most functions,
there is always plenty of coffee served, with all the trimmings. But
usually, there is either no tea, or just tea bags with hot water and not
much choice. It's not fair!! I don't like coffee. Sorry. There, I've
said it. Let's see if this message actually gets somewhere.
In article <2s2gh1$3...@news.cs.tu-berlin.de>, caro...@cs.tu-berlin.de (Ulf
Fischer) wrote:
>
> A morning without coffee is a wrong one.
> I like microwave-hot-water with instant-coffee and artifical sugger.
> And YOU?
--
Mary Packwood :)
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Minnesota, U. S. A. e-mail: 0196...@informs.k12.mn.us
Steve Linton
>This is my first posting ever to a Newsgroup. This is the first time I've
>ever seen this rec.food.etc. group. But I've always wanted to complain to
>a coffee-drinker about the plight of tea drinkers. At most functions,
>there is always plenty of coffee served, with all the trimmings. But
>usually, there is either no tea, or just tea bags with hot water and not
>much choice. It's not fair!! I don't like coffee. Sorry. There, I've
>said it. Let's see if this message actually gets somewhere.
There is one easy fix for your problem (with avrious drawbacks)
Move to England
Specifically the North of England, or West Wales or the North of Scotland.
Of course you will need to drink your tea strong and with milk, still not much
choice, but you can guarantee to be treated better than the coffee drinkers.
Sven Heinicke
I have heard that espresso beans have less caffeine/bean than say
Columbian beans, but what makes espresso strong is the amount used
per cup.
The alt.drugs.caffeine FAQ has something to say about this. Check
out:
http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/caffeine-faq/faq.html
on W3. To quote it.
By means of comparison, a 7 oz cup of coffee has the following caffeine (mg)
amounts, according to Bunker and McWilliams in _J Am Diet_ 74:28-32, 1979:
Drip 115-175
Espresso 100mg of caffeine
1 serving (1.5-2oz)
Brewed 80-135
Instant 65-100
Decaf, brewed 3-4
Decaf, instant 2-3
tea, iced (12 ozs.) 70
tea, brewed, imported 60
tea, brewed, U.S. 40
tea, instant 30
The variability in the amount of caffeine in a cup of coffee or tea is huge
even if prepared by the same person using the same equipment and ingredients
day after day.
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ELIOFF,MICHAEL,SCOTT
>I like sludge....Industrial strength.
>
>Yes, I'm talking about REAL coffee! Drink half of the cup, and let the
>grounds settle to get that last sip!
>
>My brother also makes a killer cuppa cap. He doesn't steam the milk,
>though...He has one of those Nifty Devices that can turn skim milk into
>whipped cream. He also never sticks to one bean. A typical pot of his
>coffee has a fistful of one flavor, and a fistful of another.
>
>Kicks butt, I dare say.
>
> Ashley
>
>P.S.-> Anybody in the CowTown (You know who you are!) know where I can
>find good Turkish/Greek coffee?
>
Not in Cowtown. But in Lincoln Square there's a place called Coffee Haus
that sells all these weird beans. Maybe there.
If not, there's another just north of Deep Ellum and east of Oaklawn
near the Queen of Sheba ethopian restaurant that has really exotic schtuff.
m.e.
David Tomlinson
: In article <2s2gh1$3...@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> caro...@cs.tu-berlin.de (Ulf Fischer) writes:
: >
: >A morning without coffee is a wrong one.
: >I like microwave-hot-water with instant-coffee and artifical sugger.
: >And YOU?
: Pfah!!! And I was just going to post about the superiority of
: European coffee (I am English).
: But seriously folks, there is some significant difference between
: even restaurant coffee in Europe and in the States. I have tried
: all kinds of beans and all kinds of roasts and have not found
: the Euro taste. The closest was New Orleans coffee, which has a chicory
: tastes that knocks you on the head. Maybe its a trace of chicory
: in Europe.
: By Europe I mean Britain and France. Further East you get the
: Turkish influence, Austrian specialities, etc. All good in their way
: though.
Ten years ago, my wife and I were staying in a B&B near Victoria Station
(low budget) and went out for breakfast. We made the mistake of asking
for coffee instead of tea. We got a strang look and some sludge that had
to be mixed half and half with milk to make it palatable. We both
like our coffee black, so you can see how bad it was.
Two years ago, we went to the Netherlands with a stopover in London.
The coffee in London is much better now. The coffee, nearly anywhere
we went in the N.L.. was great. Smallish cups of very dark, strong but
not muddy. Clearly superior coffee, even from one roadside restaurant!
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@ jeweled crocodiles glittered like heraldic salamanders on the @
@ banks of the crystalline river. By night the illuminated man @
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George Flanagin
: George Flanagin (flan...@boi.hp.com) wrote:
-g-> Glad to help. There are several, probably equally good, systems for
home roasting. What is described below is the one that I have used with
fairly good, though not excellent, results. Meaning: I'm not claiming
that my home roasted coffee is the best I have ever had.
You will need a good source of green beans. Places that do specialty
roasting will generally sell you the green beans at about %75 of the
roasted price. A pound of green will fit in the space of a half pound
of roasted coffee. If you have an ethnic Ethiopian community where you
live, they will be able to help you (or at least, they have helped me).
You will need a metal pot (2 liter, or so) with a metal handle, and
a tight fitting metal lid. You will also need a good kitchen glove,
or a welder's mit. Essentially, you put the coffee in the pot, put the
pot to the flame and "roast" it like popcorn, shaking the pot thoroughly
at least once a minute. Periodically, *peek* into the pot to see how
the coffee is doing. The interior of the pot needs to be at 400-450F,
for 15 minutes to do the job; ergo, the all metal pot and the good
glove.
You will need to disable the smoke alarm in your house, open all the
windows, and notify your neighbors that you are not smoking in bed.
You *can* do the roasting in the oven -- beans on a cookie sheet --
but you will never be able to use the oven for anything else again.
When the coffee is done as you like it. Take the pot and coffee
outside WITHOUT OPENING THE LID. Dump the contents out onto a
cookie sheet in a layer no more than two beans thick to stop the
cooking as quickly as possible. Put the cooked beans in an airtight
storage jar for a couple of hours to allow them to reabsorb some
of the oils that appear on the surface of the bean.
Then make "the beverage" and worship the great god "ja VA"
george
Mark Sicignano
>
>We grind our own beans fresh every morning and make it a cup at a time. I used
>up the last of the Jamaican Blue Mountain this morning. :-( So I will have to
>settle for Kona or Kenya. 8-).
>
Jamaican Blue is great stuff, but I just can't swing the $25 a pound for
it very often. I got a pound as a give once. mmmm. Kona's usually about
$15 on average. I've seen blends which contain a minority of Jamaican Blue
for about $7/lb, but it's not the real stuff. It's got to be pure.
I like Kona, and I've had "Kenya AA" before. I like the Kenya.
-mark
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Dirk
>This is my first posting ever to a Newsgroup. This is the first time I've
>ever seen this rec.food.etc. group. But I've always wanted to complain to
>a coffee-drinker about the plight of tea drinkers. At most functions,
>there is always plenty of coffee served, with all the trimmings. But
>usually, there is either no tea, or just tea bags with hot water and not
>much choice. It's not fair!! I don't like coffee. Sorry. There, I've
>said it. Let's see if this message actually gets somewhere.
At least it got to me!
I don't like no coffee, too.
bye biafra
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Dan Masi
No, pretty good! Especially if it had milk and sugar in it on Friday
afternoon, and now it's Monday morning; you're late getting up, in a bad
mood, you rush to the office wishing you had time to have a cup of
coffee and some yogurt at home, and suddenly, there on your desk...
Andrew Klossner
"Move to England. Specifically the North of England, or West
Wales or the North of Scotland. Of course you will need to
drink your tea strong and with milk, still not much choice, but
you can guarantee to be treated better than the coffee
drinkers."
First, learn to like your toast cold and your beer warm. ;-}
-=- Andrew Klossner (and...@frip.wv.tek.com)
Andrew Wing
: I have found that inexpensive bean coffees a la Loblaws or A&P are better
: (when ground immediately before brewing) than expensive coffees unsealed
: for 1 day!
Aaahhh, fond memories of fresh ground coffee (Bokar) back in the
mid 60s. I was too young for my parents to let me drink coffee, but my
brother and I would pick stray beans off the checkout counter and suck on them
for the entire trip home!
Does A&P still have the grinders on the checkout lines?
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"Any disclaimer issued by me is subject to change without notice"
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Jo Ann Malina
>In article <2s2gh1$3...@news.cs.tu-berlin.de>, caro...@cs.tu-berlin.de (Ulf
>Fischer) wrote:
>
>>
>> I like microwave-hot-water with instant-coffee and artifical sugger.
>> And YOU?
>
>ONLY if you add some sort of artificial "coffee whitener" or fake cream.
>Delicious!
Don't forget, it must be drunk from a styrofoam cup. The kind you can
dig your teeth into the edge of and hear the squeak.
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Craig Lewis
>Lukewarm tap water w/ 3 Tbs of Postum imitation instant morning beverage,
>with 3 Vivarin tablets dissolved (in place of the sugar; I don't like
>the taste of sugar).
Caffeine hit from HELL. That's the equivalent of approx *6* cups of coffee,
all hitting at once.
>Sometimes when I feel the need for a healthy fruit drink, I'll add a
>couple teaspoons of TANG to the mix. Breakfast-in-a-Dixie-Cup, I call
>it.
>Dan Masi
>Mentor Graphics Corp.
>da...@warren.mentorg.com
Craig Lewis
>and enough sugar that there's sludge on the bottom.
> larry...
Ewww....take it you like a little coffee with your sugar?
White and slightly sweet is fine, but a sugar sludge...WAY overdone.
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Craig Lewis
>> I like microwave-hot-water with instant-coffee and artifical sugger.
>> And YOU?
> For me, tap-hot-water and instant-coffee is good enough. So
>what if it tastes bad. Just give me some coffee!!! :) No sugger
>(sic) on it... why pretend that we drink coffee because we like how it
>tastes?
> Uh, this morning was a bad one, but the afternoon is looking
>better.
>Dribbs (two b's, not 3)
You poor deprived addict. Someone, somewhere, is going to grant you the great
gift of REAL coffee, and provide a direction to your life.
Juliana H Alger
>
> My brother also makes a killer cuppa cap. He doesn't steam the milk,
> though...He has one of those Nifty Devices that can turn skim milk into
> whipped cream. He also never sticks to one bean. A typical pot of his
> coffee has a fistful of one flavor, and a fistful of another.
>
What Nifty Devices? Where can I get a Nifty Device? What's it
called, or is Nifty Device specific enough to find one for myself?
Julie
jal...@admin.umass.edu
Kevin A. Meininger
: > whipped cream. He also never sticks to one bean. A typical pot of his
: > coffee has a fistful of one flavor, and a fistful of another.
: >
: > Ashley
:
: What Nifty Devices? Where can I get a Nifty Device? What's it
: called, or is Nifty Device specific enough to find one for myself?
:
Ashleys probably talking about one of those kitchen whipping things.
They were a big rave about a year ago... now they're in most department
stores.
It is long and kind-of tubular-like. At the end, there is a spinning
thing that you can attach various blades to. One "blade" that usually
comes with them is an airator (sorry, sp! pronounced AIR-AYTER). If you
chill skim milk, you can blend it with the aerator tool and it will get
very thick. As thick as (if not thicker) than the froth you normally
get on cappacino.
Kevin
spie...@kean.ucs.mun.ca
> Fred> A morning without coffee is like a coma. :-)
> So that's why I never remember those mornings :-)
>
> Fred> Goodness, no! Coffee made from freshly-ground beans stored in the
> Fred> refrigerator is vastly better than instant coffee. It is well worth the
> Fred> little bit of extra effort.
>
> I certainly agree that coffee made from coffee beans is vastly better
> than instant coffee; incidentally, I occasionally find myself in this
> unfortunate position: I am at someone else's house; the host offers me
> coffee. I accept gratefully. The host gets out a jar of instant coffee
> and starts to make it. While valiantly trying to suppress the gag
> reflex, I mumble something about having changed my mind, invariably
> producing a puzzled look on the host's face. Is this unconscionably
> rude?
>
> Anyway, that wasn't the point of this posting -- I was curious about the
> the US, but I don't recall seeing anyone do this in France or Italy,
> where coffee is almost a religion. I used to drink French Carte
> Noire, then Lavazza (Italian espresso), now Kimbo (also Italian
> espresso; I find it much better than Lavazza). I buy it pre-ground,
> vacuum-packed. As far as I can tell, there is no degradation of quality
> in the can, and although I keep it un-refrigerated (in a sealed
> container) I cannot tell the difference between the first cup and the
> last. I make it either using a stove-top espresso maker or a small
> electric espresso maker. I usually finish a 250g can in 4-5 days.
>
> Why do I not see any difference? Am I just being unobservant? Are
> people talking about storing coffee for longer periods? Is it different
> for espresso? For drip-made coffee?
>
> Jak Kirman j...@cs.brown.edu
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> De gustibus non est disputandum.
Myself, I notice the difference between refrigerating and not refrigerating
coffee. A group of friends and I took to bringing in a can of coffee so we
could have coffee during the school day, and we left the first can out of
the fridge, and by the time we got to the end of the can it was dry and
very harsh when we drank it. No great aroma or anything, just rotten water
.
The next batch we put in the freezer and it seemed that the original
freshness of the initial pot was the same as the final pot.
Try it you just might find a difference.
Steve Piercey
J.D. Dyson
Dennis Tetreault <den...@hydro.cac.stratus.com> wrote:
>one day, I had coffee with a friend, and she bought me a cup
>of Hazelnut coffee. WOW! Now that I can deal with. Then here
>at work we had Swiss CHocolate Almond. Now I find I have about
<snip>
>At a buck a cup, I think I'm going broke!
A buck a cup? Whoa...mighty expensive. I don't know what your
geographical location is, but if it's in most any metropolitan city in the
States, you should be able to find either the McGarvey or Sark's brand
flavored coffees at a much more reasonable price. (Oh yes, you can get them
either ground or whole bean.) They cost about $5.00 for 12 ounces of great
beans for brewing. With that small investment, you can get 36 to 48 cups of
joe for roughly 10 to 15 cents per cup. A real savings considering the
current price you're paying!
Cheers!
<< <<
>> ------- "There's always time for a good cup of coffee." ------- >>
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Gabe Goldberg
: There is one easy fix for your problem (with avrious drawbacks)
: Move to England
: Specifically the North of England, or West Wales or the North of Scotland.
: Of course you will need to drink your tea strong and with milk, still not much
: choice, but you can guarantee to be treated better than the coffee drinkers.
Once, while motor touring in Scotland, we arrived on a cold, bleak day at
a restaurant. To warm up, I requested tea with my meal. I was told,
emphatically, that tea was served after the meal in the other room. I
explained that I was cold and wanted tea to warm me. They repeated the rules.
I was forced to escalate, asking whether it was physically impossible for
them to bring the tea to me in the same place and at the same time as the
meal. They grudgingly admitted the possibility of the act, and then did it.
They're probably still telling the story of the boorish ugly American,
while I'm telling the story about the baffling Scots.
What was that all about? Why no tea in the dining room?
So they can make a ceremony of it, after the meal?
They never explained, and I've always wondered.
J. Robert Burgoyne
: > I like microwave-hot-water with instant-coffee and artifical sugger.
: > And YOU?
: Instant coffee...artificial sugar...microwaved...sounds great to me! But
: ONLY if you add some sort of artificial "coffee whitener" or fake cream.
: Delicious!
Don't forget you've got to drink it in a styrofoam cup, with a plastic
lid that you've opened a sipping hole in. Now bring that plastic close to
your nose... Ahhh.
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Appleby Austin M
> I like sludge....Industrial strength.
> Yes, I'm talking about REAL coffee! Drink half of the cup, and let the
> grounds settle to get that last sip!
> My brother also makes a killer cuppa cap. He doesn't steam the milk,
> though...He has one of those Nifty Devices that can turn skim milk into
> whipped cream. He also never sticks to one bean. A typical pot of his
> coffee has a fistful of one flavor, and a fistful of another.
> Kicks butt, I dare say.
> Ashley
> P.S.-> Anybody in the CowTown (You know who you are!) know where I can
> find good Turkish/Greek coffee?
If you mean Dallas / Fort Worth, check out the Greek festival in Dallas
every year. Great stuff, that Turkish coffee. Like someone hit you over the
head with a pieve of lemon peel wrapped around a large brown coffee bean...
gee, that sounds familiar... <grin>
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Steve H. Chan
>I like microwave-hot-water with instant-coffee and artifical sugger.
>And YOU?
I hate instance coffee, especially with microwave-hot-water. Don't
take it personally, I just don't like instance one.
Steve
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Ashley Taft
:
: Ashleys probably talking about one of those kitchen whipping things.
: They were a big rave about a year ago... now they're in most department
: stores.
: It is long and kind-of tubular-like. At the end, there is a spinning
: thing that you can attach various blades to. One "blade" that usually
: comes with them is an airator (sorry, sp! pronounced AIR-AYTER). If you
: chill skim milk, you can blend it with the aerator tool and it will get
: very thick. As thick as (if not thicker) than the froth you normally
: get on cappacino.
: Kevin
:
BINGO!
That's the item, and it works like a charm. And, yes, they have moved
from 'trend' to 'United States Purchasing Exchange' (Can you say
'middle-aged, white trash housewives sporting a velvet Elvis above a
plastic-protected sofa'?)
But, hey! It works!
Ashley 'So THAT'S where I left that message thread' Taft
Charles A Smith
>Steve H. Chan (ch...@helios1.phy.ohiou.edu) wrote:
>: I was told that a cup or two can make you loose weight. Is that true?
>: Steve
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>It might act as a diuretic and mke you lose water weight, but caffeine
>in general increases appetite. I generally gain weight when I use
>caffeine.
>Kurt
*Increases* weight? Where did you learn that. As a stimulant, caffein seems to
reduce my hunger, to a point. Never heard it makes you *gain* weight. Is this
something you have heard or something you know to be a fact?
I have been told by reputable sources that aspartame artificial sweetner can
increase your hunger by "sending" sweet messages to your brain, that then
releases substances to manage the sugars which never arrive. The brain then
sends messages that the body needs sugar... and voila... eat, eat eat. I am
not an expert, obviously, on this so someone else can comment. So, if you
sweetened your coffee with nutrisweet, you might experience addtional hunger
shortly afterwords. If true, not exactly what the product intends to achieve.
Chuck
Rob Heerdink
> I was told that a cup or two can make you loose weight. Is that true?
If that's all you drink or eat per day, I guess so.
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: Steve H. Chan (ch...@helios1.phy.ohiou.edu) wrote:
: : I was told that a cup or two can make you loose weight. Is that true?
: Well, it _is_ a diuretic ... and it's conceivable that the slight effect of
: caffeine on metabolism might make a coffee drinker an ounce or two lighter
: than he or she would be otherwise. But judging from the number of
: heavyset coffee drinkers I've met, my guess is the effect (if there is
: one) is too slight to be noticeable.
I think what you're missing here is that nothing in the world will
_make_ you lose weight (barring illness, drug addiction, and such)
if you don't actually try. Most of those so-called "hunger supressants"
like Dexatrim are loaded with caffeine.
They are supposed to help you with _your attempt_
to curb your hunger...you can't just take the pill and
poof, your hunger goes away.
Coffee is the same thing. I think, if you are making an
attempt to curb the hunger and eat less, coffee does help. The
heavyset drinkers you mentioned just aren't interested in that
aspect of coffee usefulness.
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before exercising helps burn fat.
Jason
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Elizabeth Lee Woudenberg
lose weight?"
It's also been said that drinking WATER helps you lose weight. The theory
is that filling your stomach up with anything will thereby temporarily
keep you from eating something else. Following that reasoning, chugging
a few cups of coffee sans cream or sugar would therefore take the place of
some other luscious yummy. And the fact that coffee is so much more
flavorful than water or fruit juice would keep you drinking it as so
many of us do.
I do think that caffeine has something to do with it. I'm no medical
expert but it seems to me that since caffeine does jack up your metabolism
for a while (i.e., elevated heart rate and blood pressure), maybe in some
minor way you're actually "working out".
The more I think about it, the less likely that sounds.
Somebody set me right.
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Arouty, Caryn S.
I have one. my sister bought it for about 4 years ago off the tv.
it is called "The Daily Mixer". I love mine. I still use it, but
only to turn skim milk into whipped cream (if you add some strawberries
and sweet-n-low it is a very tasty dessert).
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peace
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Mark Lederer
(Steve H. Chan) wrote:
> I was told that a cup or two can make you loose weight. Is that true?
>
> Steve
Steve,
The only way to loose weight is to be hungry (and not eat) - does coffee
make you hungry?
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Larry DeLuca
then can't believe she said that...]
Well, an elevated heart rate doesn't necessarily indicate a raised
metabolism. In the case of coffee, it's quite possible that the elevated
heart rate is to make up for the constriction of the blood vessels - i.e.,
the heart has to beat more beats to push the same amount of blood through
a smaller space.
You get a similar effect if you exercise with your arms above your head a
lot. Your heart rate goes up, but you're not burning more calories, you're
just pushing blood uphill. Your heart may be working harder, but the
rest of your muscles aren't.
larry...
Maurice Y Oishi
: I think there is some research that shows that taking caffiene
: before exercising helps burn fat.
I recall reading or hearing something to this effect. But, as I recall,
the issue was whether it helped *mobilize* fat. As you may or may not know,
there's a big difference between mobilizing and metabolizing fat. And I
think that was at the heart of the matter. Caffeine may mobilize fat, but
that doesn't necessarily mean the fat will be burned, excreted,
secreted or any of the the other things the body does to
biologically unwanted bits and molecules.
But, then again, maybe I remember incorrectly ;-)
Mo
Jennifer Basil
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: bets...@leland.Stanford.EDU (Elizabeth Lee Woudenberg) writes:
: |Regarding the question, "Does drinking a cup of coffee or two help you
: |lose weight?"
: [...]
: |I do think that caffeine has something to do with it. I'm no medical
: |expert but it seems to me that since caffeine does jack up your metabolism
: |for a while (i.e., elevated heart rate and blood pressure), maybe in some
: |minor way you're actually "working out".
: |The more I think about it, the less likely that sounds.
: |Somebody set me right.
: If I am remembering my recent reading correctly, caffeine
: does slightly accelerate the metabolization of fat. The
: effect is nothing spectacular. For better results,
Egad...don't take those diet pills! But, caffeine is an appetite
suppressant, plus it's also a diuretic. So, you don't eat and you lose
a lot of water weight. Not the best way to lose weight. Not meaning to,
I dropped about 15 pounds as a result of drinking too much coffee....I
was pretty unhealthy.
Plus, if you're awake all the time, you can't help but burn calories!
Jenny
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C J Silverio
lede...@txpcap.hou.xwh.bp.com (Mark Lederer) writes:
|In article <CqpAu...@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu>, ch...@helios1.phy.ohiou.edu
|(Steve H. Chan) wrote:
|> I was told that a cup or two can make you loose weight. Is that true?
|make you hungry?
Caffeine is a stimulant. Stimulants usually suppress appetite.
Actually, the only way to lose weight (permanently) is to
lower your set point by exercising aerobically. But this
isn't a topic appropriate for r.f.d.coffee.
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Alena
>> Steve
Unfortunally no. (Otherwise I would be lanky and off this diet..)
Coffee makes you retain water, which is why with coffee one should
have a spring water chaser...
*hugs*
Alena
best...@bestsd.sdsu.edu
Mark Lederer
(Alena) wrote:
I have found that if I drink a cup of coffe with half a tea spoon of sugar
when I am hungry, then I will not down a fat laddened donut (or two). Thus,
a cup of coffee helps me not eat other crap that will make me gain weight.
So I say it's may not be the coffee that you drink, but what it substitutes
for, that helps you to lose weight. Does that make sense?
Mark Lederer - BP Exploration, Houston, TX, USA (wishing I was on
Email: lede...@txpcap.hou.xwh.bp.com the Kona coast)
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Stacy Ferguson
>In article <5JUN1994...@bestsd.sdsu.edu>, best...@bestsd.sdsu.edu
>(Alena) wrote:
>
>> >> I was told that a cup or two can make you loose weight. Is that true?
>> >> Steve
>>
>> Unfortunally no. (Otherwise I would be lanky and off this diet..)
>> Coffee makes you retain water, which is why with coffee one should
>> have a spring water chaser...
>>
>> *hugs*
>> Alena
>> best...@bestsd.sdsu.edu
I would think that you might burn a few extra calories by drinking coffee.
After all, your basal activity goes up a little (at least mine does; some
heart palpitation, minor shakiness, etc.) While I doubt a "coffee diet"
would be a very effective weight loss method, it may help a tiny bit. Of
course, in cafes I have a hard time resisting at least a biscotti! So that
probably more than cancels out the tiny weight loss benefit I might get
from the coffee I dunk it in :)
>
>
>I have found that if I drink a cup of coffe with half a tea spoon of sugar
>when I am hungry, then I will not down a fat laddened donut (or two). Thus,
>a cup of coffee helps me not eat other crap that will make me gain weight.
>So I say it's may not be the coffee that you drink, but what it substitutes
>for, that helps you to lose weight. Does that make sense?
This helps too, I think. I like to make myself a tall glass of capuccino in
the evening, instead of dessert. I use 1% milk. I need the calcium anyway
because I'm not a big milk fan otherwise. Some days, the triple cap I make
for myself is the only source of dairy I've gotten that day! And I don't
crave sugar, rush out, and buy myself a pint of Ben & Jerry's to binge on
because I put just enough sugar in the cap to satisfy my sweet tooth.
>
>Mark Lederer - BP Exploration, Houston, TX, USA (wishing I was on
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Krister Lindmark
> As a diuretic, it initially acts to rid your body of water, but
> then your body reacts by retaining water to prevent dehydration.
> So, for every cup of coffee you drink, have a cup of water.
>
Hmm... So thatå“€ the thinking behind American style coffee, you have
already added the cup of water directly to the coffee. (Sorry, couldnå’¨
help myself)
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SCOTT649
Taft) writes:
On the Cow Town try the Noble Bean on Bryan Irwin road if they can't
get it then problay no one can.
Also I like my coffee fresh with a strong rich flavor which means
that instant does not find it's way into my house.
Scott 649
Number 6
Sorry I didn't see the start of this, but I had to say something about
instant. In *desperation* I had some instant, ONCE. It was Sanka.
No coffee shop for 100 miles (I was in a Wilderness area in Coastal
California) and my (then to be) wife made up some Sanka. I got
literally SICK from it. I don't know what was in it that made me
sick, but I had terrible stomach cramps and other things. I know it
was not the water, because this same incident was repeated at a Motel
6 in an unfamiliar town and I wanted some coffee. Out came the Sanka
(not the same batch) and it did exactly the same to me.
Instant only finds its way into my house when my mother in law visits,
who cannot have large doses of caffeine. After she leaves, the Sanka
goes AWAY! It doesn't even deserve to be called "emergency coffee".
Any suggestions for a decent emergency coffee? I've run out of beans
far too often lately due to workload. I want something I wouldn't
otherwise drink, just in emergencies (NO COFFEE, ALL STORES CLOSED!!!)
None of the preground coffees seem to fill the bill. (Tried them
all, tried grinding them all finer, tried *everything*!)
Thanks a bunch!
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Nathan D. Lane, VP Triicon Systems. Lompoc, CA
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queen of caffeine
: Any suggestions for a decent emergency coffee? I've run out of beans
: far too often lately due to workload. I want something I wouldn't
: otherwise drink, just in emergencies (NO COFFEE, ALL STORES CLOSED!!!)
: None of the preground coffees seem to fill the bill. (Tried them
: all, tried grinding them all finer, tried *everything*!)
: Thanks a bunch!
hrm. well, as far as emergency coffee goes, i assume meaning something out
of a can, i have had the plain old mjb colombian and really it hasn't been
too offensive. ya just gotta make it really strong.
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: Nathan D. Lane, VP Triicon Systems. Lompoc, CA
: NaN != 6, 6 == 1. I am not a number, I am a free list!
: I'm a programmer my computers are more valuable than my cars.
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immer noch da, reglos und frierend und einsam und still an einem
Rabengedanken. Da fuhr ein bruederliches Gefuehl in mich hinein und eine
Einsamkeit fuellte die Brust.
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Kathar7777
(queen of caffeine) writes:
:hrm. well, as far as emergency coffee goes, i assume meaning something
:out
:of a can, i have had the plain old mjb colombian and really it hasn't
been
:too offensive. ya just gotta make it really strong.
My recommendation for emergency coffee in can: Cafe Dumond from New
Orleans is now sold in most major stores. Post me a note if you get a
chance to try it.-- Katharine