Fake news

[Gary]

Trump is right. Much fake news and I just saw 2 local
news channels doing just that a few minutes ago on the
news at noon.

OMG!
Headline:
"Large crowds at the beach this holiday weekend"
Then they showed many clips of huge crowds on the
beach (the sand), walking on the boardwalk and eating at the
outdoor beach restaurants.

Fake part is all those shots were taken last year or
some other summer weekend. All show bright sunny
weather and hot. Many people on the beach in just
bathing suits, mass crowds on the boardwalk wearing
shorts and t-shirts, and same with the people
sitting in very crowded outdoor cafe's.

1) not a single person wearing a mask
2) No sun here at the beach all weekend
It's been cloudy, cold and windy and even mostly
fog/drizzle right here at the oceanfront all weekend
and even still now.

To their credit, they did show a few brief shots of
real life at the oceanfront this weekend. Almost nobody
on the sand and the boardwalk is mostly deserted.
The few people out are dressed very heavily and warmly for
this crappy cold weather. Very gray ocean and sky.

Virginia Beach always lies and likes to portray a
perfect little resort town. They have the local
news here helping them out with that. Must be some
serious "under the table" money being exchanged here.

I was appalled at what I just watched on the news.

Personally, I feel sorry for anyone that spent their
vacation money to come here this weekend. It is NOT
a nice weekend at all for a beach vacation. Even
the ocean water is still cold.

I really need to move away from this area.
<spit>

[GM]

Gary wrote:

> Trump is right. Much fake news and I just saw 2 local
> news channels doing just that a few minutes ago on the
> news at noon.

You are 1000% *correct*, the liberal NYC and West Coast - based MSM is all gloom and doom, one has to really search for some honest reporting...the NY Times frex reads like "The Onion" these daze...

> OMG!
> Headline:
> "Large crowds at the beach this holiday weekend"
> Then they showed many clips of huge crowds on the
> beach (the sand), walking on the boardwalk and eating at the
> outdoor beach restaurants.
>
> Fake part is all those shots were taken last year or
> some other summer weekend. All show bright sunny
> weather and hot. Many people on the beach in just
> bathing suits, mass crowds on the boardwalk wearing
> shorts and t-shirts, and same with the people
> sitting in very crowded outdoor cafe's.

Let me guess, Gary...I'd bet dollars to donuts that those shots were also taken with an *extreme* telephoto lens...a few weeks ago that is what happened when peeps were reported "swarming" the only open beaches in SoCal, IIRC it was Orange County...

Yesterday I saw some pix from Ocean City, it was a "normal" crowd, but natcherly it was an *extreme* telephoto lens shot...I checked out a local Baltimore station, they had a video report, things looks fairly spaced out on the beach and boardwalk...and it was a decent day...

> 1) not a single person wearing a mask
> 2) No sun here at the beach all weekend
> It's been cloudy, cold and windy and even mostly
> fog/drizzle right here at the oceanfront all weekend
> and even still now.
>
> To their credit, they did show a few brief shots of
> real life at the oceanfront this weekend. Almost nobody
> on the sand and the boardwalk is mostly deserted.
> The few people out are dressed very heavily and warmly for
> this crappy cold weather. Very gray ocean and sky.
>
> Virginia Beach always lies and likes to portray a
> perfect little resort town. They have the local
> news here helping them out with that. Must be some
> serious "under the table" money being exchanged here.
>
> I was appalled at what I just watched on the news.
>
> Personally, I feel sorry for anyone that spent their
> vacation money to come here this weekend. It is NOT
> a nice weekend at all for a beach vacation. Even
> the ocean water is still cold.
>
> I really need to move away from this area.
> <spit>

Well, Gary, Illannoy is worse, do not move here! Our PIG spoiled brat $3.4 billionaire "governor" and our dwarf freak shitcago "mayor" are intent on destroying this state so that President Trump can be blamed and thus defeated, and also to get a federal bail-out for our fucked - up IL state budget.

I posted this article on my FB feed, and below are my several comments:

https://wirepoints.org/never-mind-the-courts-says-pritzker-only-his-view-of-the-science-and-data-matter-wirepoints/

From the above article:

"Illinois is being destroyed…llinois now has the harshest emergency pandemic rules in the nation. Pritzker’s plan may not ever fully reopen Illinois since that would require a vaccine or complete disappearance of the virus, which may never happen. His right to rule on his own through vast emergency powers likewise has indefinite duration, he has told the courts…What is Pritzker thinking? He is now out of touch — oblivious to the firestorm surrounding his order, disdainful of the rule of law and confident he can dismiss all critics as political grandstanders and much worse…”

My comment re: the above article:

"Gregory Morrow: Between this "governor" and Chicago's "mayor", this is simply a disgraceful grab for power. Our elected officials serve at *our* "grace and favor", these two forget that. Their tactics are illegal per the US Constitution. And their tactics remind me of how the communists or the nazis eventually took over, they'd start with "emergency powers" during a "crisis", and then... :-( I would *love* to see President Trump move in the National Guard to secure houses of worship. The original shutdown I agreed with, but this...I am truly ashamed to be an Ilinois citizen...I am very concerned about our civil liberties - not to mention the millions of lives that are being ruined in this state alone as a result of these arbitrary and careless policies...this is not a "right" or "left" issue, this is basic common sense..."

</>

[Thomas]

Thanks for the heads up.
I still think re opening will be a disaster.
Did not miss a day of work being healthcare and all, sorta like JK ish.

House paid, no bills, new roof in 2019 but no people touching my shit.

The roof was more than 100 grand less than our rfc nurses roof, yet to happen.

[GM]

Lol...

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Greg

[dsi1]

The funny part is that everybody knows that there's going to be a second wave of infections but people are powerless to prevent it. My guess is that there's going to be a third wave. At that time this country will just say "screw it" and take the hit.

The Asians, of course, are going to be made the scapegoat in all of this. I mean, somebody's got to take the blame, right?

[Gary]

The Asians can relax. Trump is getting all the blame.

[GM]

dsi1 wrote:

> On Monday, May 25, 2020 at 7:45:55 AM UTC-10, Thomas wrote:
> > Thanks for the heads up.
> > I still think re opening will be a disaster.
> > Did not miss a day of work being healthcare and all, sorta like JK ish.
> >
> > House paid, no bills, new roof in 2019 but no people touching my shit.
> >
> > The roof was more than 100 grand less than our rfc nurses roof, yet to happen.
>
> The funny part is that everybody knows that there's going to be a second wave of infections but people are powerless to prevent it. My guess is that there's going to be a third wave. At that time this country will just say "screw it" and take the hit.
>

In the 1918 - 1919 pandemic, what was a primary cause of that oft - now quoted "second wave"...???

> The Asians, of course, are going to be made the scapegoat in all of this. I mean, somebody's got to take the blame, right?

That is bosh...it's China's government at fault, not "Asians"...

PS: notice what China is doing to Hong Kong, that is *another* outrage...

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Greg

[GM]

Lol...

;-)

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Greg

[dsi1]

When I went by the beach last week, it was quite lively. It was quite a scene this week too. People should not fly over to this rock though because you'll get your ass confined to your hotel room for 14 days. The people on this rock will report your ass if it tries to escape. Tourists are not real welcome at this time.

https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2020/05/23/alleged-chicken-shooter-among-latest-arrested-quarantine-violations/

[Bruce]

Were did this start? Who were secretive about it? Yes, your favourite
barbarians.

[Bruce]

Trump is "only" to blame for acting too late and thus killing many
thousands of Americans. People have been criticised for less.

[GM]

If I visit may I stay with you...I'll bring some Midwest deer meat and breaded p0rk tenderloins...I am clean, kind and self - sufficient...and I like to read Proust...

;-P

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Greg

[dsi1]

¡Ay, caramba!

[Dave Smith]

I don't think that there is any doubt about the Chinese having had a big
part in this pandemic. By Chinese I meant the people in China. There is
a significant racial group we call Chinese because they or their
forefathers came from China. Then there are the billion or so people who
live in China. We have mixed feelings about them. The west fought them
in the Korean war, though they deny having been involved. They have had
a secretive and oppressive government for 70 years. There is little
love lost between westerners and the Chinese government, which is not
the case with immigrants from China.

[U.S. Janet B.]

I saw a live interview done at Myrtle Beach today. There were people
there in parties. Sun was shining. No masks except for TV people. I
did see another interview early today further up the coast where the
interviewer was bundled up, the wind was blowing and the skies were
grey. Both reports were from MSNBC
Janet US

[Bruce]

Yes, I think it's important to distinguish between the people and
their regime. Take the US. Awful regime, but just lovely people.

[U.S. Janet B.]

On Mon, 25 May 2020 10:39:26 -0700 (PDT), GM
<gregorymorr...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Gary wrote:

snip

>
>
>Well, Gary, Illannoy is worse, do not move here! Our PIG spoiled brat $3.4 billionaire "governor" and our dwarf freak shitcago "mayor" are intent on destroying this state so that President Trump can be blamed and thus defeated, and also to get a federal bail-out for our fucked - up IL state budget.
>
>I posted this article on my FB feed, and below are my several comments:
>
>https://wirepoints.org/never-mind-the-courts-says-pritzker-only-his-view-of-the-science-and-data-matter-wirepoints/
>
>From the above article:
>
>"Illinois is being destroyed…llinois now has the harshest emergency pandemic rules in the nation. Pritzker’s plan may not ever fully reopen Illinois since that would require a vaccine or complete disappearance of the virus, which may never happen. His right to rule on his own through vast emergency powers likewise has indefinite duration, he has told the courts…What is Pritzker thinking? He is now out of touch — oblivious to the firestorm surrounding his order, disdainful of the rule of law and confident he can dismiss all critics as political grandstanders and much worse…”
>
>My comment re: the above article:
>
>"Gregory Morrow: Between this "governor" and Chicago's "mayor", this is simply a disgraceful grab for power. Our elected officials serve at *our* "grace and favor", these two forget that. Their tactics are illegal per the US Constitution. And their tactics remind me of how the communists or the nazis eventually took over, they'd start with "emergency powers" during a "crisis", and then... :-( I would *love* to see President Trump move in the National Guard to secure houses of worship. The original shutdown I agreed with, but this...I am truly ashamed to be an Ilinois citizen...I am very concerned about our civil liberties - not to mention the millions of lives that are being ruined in this state alone as a result of these arbitrary and careless policies...this is not a "right" or "left" issue, this is basic common sense..."
>
></>

check Illinois State constitution and see what it says about states of
emergency and powers and rights. Many state constitution give their
governor extra powers (fully legal) in the event of emergency.
Janet US

[graham]

Certainly NOT fake news then! No beach here but the crowds were out
yesterday and an unbelievable amount of traffic and cyclist numbers
going to and from the big park near to which I live.
I went for coffee this morning, meeting a friend outside a Starbucks. We
wore masks but very few passers by did.
People are becoming very casual about precautions it seems.

[Bruce]

As long as they're outside, they're fairly safe.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Monday, May 25, 2020 at 2:36:22 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>
> As long as they're outside, they're fairly safe.
>

Being outside and in the sun is the best 'medicine' and 'cure' for this
virus. But common sense also needs to be exercised.

[Bruce]

I see people being stupid in various countries. We're still careful
and waiting to see how the guinea pigs go. And that's in Australia,
with "only" a 100 deaths so far.

[Dave Smith]

Now that the nice weather is here and people want to think this pandemic
has pretty well run its course they are coming out in droves. A week ago
Sunday my friend and I went for a motorcycle ride down through Niagara
on the Lake and down to Niagara Falls. We were astounded by the number
of people out. Traffic along the parkway was solid and I have never seen
so many people out running, walking and cycling. My son works in
Niagara Falls and he said it was packed on Saturday night.

Look for a spike.

[Lucretia Borgia]

That's likely because it is summer in Oz.

[Bruce]

On Mon, 25 May 2020 15:40:50 -0500, Sqwertz <sqwe...@gmail.invalid>
wrote:

>On Mon, 25 May 2020 13:03:02 -0400, Gary wrote:
>
>> Trump is right. Much fake news and I just saw 2 local
>> news channels doing just that a few minutes ago on the
>> news at noon.
>>
>> OMG!
>> Headline:
>> "Large crowds at the beach this holiday weekend"
>> Then they showed many clips of huge crowds on the
>> beach (the sand), walking on the boardwalk and eating at the
>> outdoor beach restaurants.
>

>And underneath the photos/footage it said "File Footage", dumbass.
>
>You're the typical Trump supporter.

Please, don't insult the average American that is Gary.

[Bruce]

Autumn is ending here, winter starts in 5 days and it's already been
cold for a few weeks. And if warm weather helped, Singapore wouldn't
have had such big Covid problems.

Not that I'm sure of anything, but those things seem to contradict the
seasonal theory.

[cshenk]

I heard about it. I checked the cameras and only a few people in well
separated family groups plus a few riding bikes. Grey, chilly (for the
season).

[Taxed and Spent]

On 5/25/2020 1:40 PM, Sqwertz wrote:

> On Mon, 25 May 2020 13:03:02 -0400, Gary wrote:
>
>> Trump is right. Much fake news and I just saw 2 local
>> news channels doing just that a few minutes ago on the
>> news at noon.
>>
>> OMG!
>> Headline:
>> "Large crowds at the beach this holiday weekend"
>> Then they showed many clips of huge crowds on the
>> beach (the sand), walking on the boardwalk and eating at the
>> outdoor beach restaurants.
>

> And underneath the photos/footage it said "File Footage", dumbass.

That is inadequate. The vast majority of people will be mislead, as was
intended.

[U.S. Janet B.]

there are beaches on the west coast as well as around the Great Lakes
and even smaller lakes.

[cshenk]

The FAke news was the Virginia Beach stories.

[cshenk]

Nope, headed to winter there. Flip side of the equatore remember.

[cshenk]

Sqwertz wrote:

> On Mon, 25 May 2020 13:03:02 -0400, Gary wrote:
>
> > Trump is right. Much fake news and I just saw 2 local
> > news channels doing just that a few minutes ago on the
> > news at noon.
> >
> > OMG!
> > Headline:
> > "Large crowds at the beach this holiday weekend"
> > Then they showed many clips of huge crowds on the
> > beach (the sand), walking on the boardwalk and eating at the
> > outdoor beach restaurants.
>

> And underneath the photos/footage it said "File Footage", dumbass.
>

> You're the typical Trump supporter.

Steve, when re-reported it didn't have any markers like that.

[U.S. Janet B.]

I didn't see where it was about Virginia Beach.

[Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl]

On Mon, 25 May 2020 13:03:02 -0400, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:

>Trump is right. Much fake news and I just saw 2 local
>news channels doing just that a few minutes ago on the
>news at noon.
>

They have been doing that since this crap started. But trump is not
right about anything, EVER! He is by far the dumbest moron that has
ever stepped foot into that building..... That includes the special ed
kids that go on field trips there.

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[dsi1]

In the end, China will just be protecting its interests the same way the the US protects its interests. It's not going to be popular with a lot of countries.

OTOH, when I speak of Asians being made of scapegoats, I'm talking about Asian-Americans being blamed for covid-19. If you want to inform me that idea doesn't make any sense, I already know this.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/asian-americans-covid-19-racism-virus-hate-reporters/story?id=70810109

[Hank Rogers]

You sure Obama didn't cause it?

[dsi1]

Unfortunately, America has a leader that is completely flummoxed by this disease. He's giving out conflicting/bad recommendations/medical advice to the country and is not taking covid-19 seriously. He's encouraging people to just carry on like there no problem at all and he's got a lot of people that believe everything he says and are willing to lay down their lives for him. His minions think he's the second coming of Christ.

There are people at my wife's hospital that won't wear a mask because their fearless leader says it's okay to not wear one. Our fearless leader will have much to answer for when this blows over. Acting too late is just the first of his many crimes.

[Hank Rogers]

dsi1 wrote:
> On Monday, May 25, 2020 at 8:34:12 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>> On Mon, 25 May 2020 14:13:56 -0400, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:
>>
>>> dsi1 wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, May 25, 2020 at 7:45:55 AM UTC-10, Thomas wrote:
>>>>> Thanks for the heads up.
>>>>> I still think re opening will be a disaster.
>>>>> Did not miss a day of work being healthcare and all, sorta like JK ish.
>>>>>
>>>>> House paid, no bills, new roof in 2019 but no people touching my shit.
>>>>>
>>>>> The roof was more than 100 grand less than our rfc nurses roof, yet to happen.
>>>>
>>>> The funny part is that everybody knows that there's going to be a second wave of infections but people are powerless to prevent it. My guess is that there's going to be a third wave. At that time this country will just say "screw it" and take the hit.
>>>>
>>>> The Asians, of course, are going to be made the scapegoat in all of this. I mean, somebody's got to take the blame, right?
>>>
>>> The Asians can relax. Trump is getting all the blame.
>>
>> Trump is "only" to blame for acting too late and thus killing many
>> thousands of Americans. People have been criticised for less.
>
> Unfortunately, America has a leader that is completely flummoxed by this disease. He's giving out conflicting/bad recommendations/medical advice to the country and is not taking covid-19 seriously. He's encouraging people to just carry on like there no problem at all and he's got a lot of people that believe everything he says and are willing to lay down their lives for him. His minions think he's the second coming of Christ.
>

Nah, we know that would have to be another jew, or maybe an asian.

[U.S. Janet B.]

there's a lot of hatred out there willing to attack any target of the
day. Currently it is Asians and people who wear masks. And anyone
who may have interfered with constitutional rights. Goaded on by rump
who doesn't know or care about constitutional right of states.
Janet US

[Hank Rogers]

States rights were removed at the end of the civil war. Federal
govt became the puppeteer, with strings connected to each state.

His excellency Donald Drumpf is in charge (for now).

[Bruce]

On Mon, 25 May 2020 22:11:16 -0600, U.S. Janet B. <J...@nospam.com>
wrote:

Trump's getting the retards all worked up because he knows it's up to
the retards to re-elect him. That's why facts and information don't
work. Retards don't do facts and information.

[Gary]

cshenk wrote:
> The FAke news was the Virginia Beach stories.

Yes, I was talking about right here only because I live
right here and our weather was so nasty.
And sw (Mr.Knowitall) is wrong...they didn't have any
"file footage" notes under the videos shown.

This morning's local news (ABC) showed more about the
weekend at the beach. This time showing cloudy grey
weather, very few people on beach or boardwalk and
also eating outside at some boardwalk cafe's. Some
were wearing masks, all were dressed warmly, jackets
and sweatshirts. That's "real news."

But then they did another fake one briefly.
Quick story about our Governor visiting Va.Beach this
weekend. Sunny and warm day. He was in short sleeves
and many people all around in shorts, etc. He was
standing in a crowd greeting and talking with people.
Not a single mask to be seen.
And NO, Stevey, again no "file footage" caption.

Anyway, same damn miserable weather today and also
predicted for tomorrow.

Right now (6am Tuesday):
05:56 NE 3 2 miles Fog/Mist 59 59 100%
Time wind visibility conditions temp dp humdity

This link shows the 3-day history of weather here starting
from the time you click on it.
https://w1.weather.gov/data/obhistory/KNTU.html

I haven't seen true sunshine here for about 10 days now
and more grim days to follow... WTH?

[Gary]

"U.S. Janet B." wrote:

>
> "cshenk" wrote:
> >The FAke news was the Virginia Beach stories.
>
> I didn't see where it was about Virginia Beach.

And you wouldn't. The Virginia Beach news only appeared
on our local news reports.

The national news only showed other beaches around
the country (and world). None about Va.Beach that
I saw.

[Gary]

Sqwertz wrote:

>
> cshenk wrote:
> > Steve, when re-reported it didn't have any markers like that.
>

> And you happened to be watching the exact same unknown Newscast
> Gary supposedly saw 12 hours later and knew to look for it even
> before you read my post?
>
> That's the biggest load of bullshit I've heard all year. Got any
> more? Sheldon is running low.

He who knows it all, knows nothing. Quit embarrassing yourself,
Steve-o

This isn't the first time you've done this either.
Remember when you claimed I was illegally stealing
clams and oysters from the state park?

You even Googled the state park's rules to prove
that you were right. That one was even too funny to
respond to, so I let it drop.

[Lucretia Borgia]

I am well aware of Oz, three sets of relatives there, two in NZ, I
meant that while the virus hit us it was during our winter, whereas
down under they had summer weather, now that is reversing and it will
be interesting to see if our stats decrease and theirs increase, in
which case we should be prepared for next winter here.

[Gary]

Outside in fresh air has never been a bad thing. Just don't
gather in large groups outside.

[Gary]

Bruce wrote:
> Please, don't insult the average American that is Gary.

That comment does seem to be true often. (for better or worse)
So many times when I form an opinion, I feel like the
"difficult one" but often it turns out that the majority
feels the same way.

Current example: I feel that Trump's best ammo to win a
re-election is all the constant bullying ever since he
was elected. Even farther back to when he first announced
that he was running. It's been non-stop.

And I'm not talking about usenet bullying. That happens with
any president and the losing side gnashing teeth.

I'm talking about Congress wasting all of our tax dollars
doing one investigation after another just trying to
ruin him. I've never seen it so bad in my lifetime.

They did impeach him (just like Clinton was) but not
removed from office. That entire process shamed them and
wasted so much tax dollars.

After all this grief, I'm suprised that he would even want
to be re-elected. After all, he is rich and has earned his
fame as being a president, plus a nifty retirement income
for life including bodyguards for life.

He's old and maybe just time to retire and enjoy the rest
of his life. I suspect that he really doesn't give a crap
whether he wins or loses. He's already won it all.

[Gary]

Proven that large crowds are the best places to get the virus.
Large cities, retirement homes, etc.

The seasonal theory fits that. Cold weather when very few people
have outside activities and tend to go to inside places where
there are many more people.

[GM]

Lol...Steve leads a *really* boring life...

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[Taxed and Spent]

His boredom leads to our endless amusement.

[Dave Smith]

On 2020-05-25 11:44 p.m., Sqwertz wrote:

> On Mon, 25 May 2020 15:03:02 -0400, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> On 2020-05-25 2:11 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
>>> On Monday, May 25, 2020 at 7:45:55 AM UTC-10, Thomas wrote:
>>
>>>> The roof was more than 100 grand less than our rfc nurses roof, yet
>>>> to happen.
>>>
>>> The funny part is that everybody knows that there's going to be a
>>> second wave of infections but people are powerless to prevent it. My
>>> guess is that there's going to be a third wave. At that time this
>>> country will just say "screw it" and take the hit.
>>>
>>> The Asians, of course, are going to be made the scapegoat in all of
>>> this. I mean, somebody's got to take the blame, right?
>>

>> I don't think that there is any doubt about the Chinese having had a big
>> part in this pandemic. By Chinese I meant the people in China. There is
>> a significant racial group we call Chinese because they or their
>> forefathers came from China. Then there are the billion or so people who
>> live in China. We have mixed feelings about them. The west fought them
>> in the Korean war, though they deny having been involved. They have had
>> a secretive and oppressive government for 70 years. There is little
>> love lost between westerners and the Chinese government, which is not
>> the case with immigrants from China.
>

> It's the Chinese having live animal markets, as is their tradition,
> that caused this. Then the government coverup. The guy who
> discovered this virus was threatened with immediate imprisonment if
> he didn't write public retraction after the government squelched as
> much as it could. Then he died from the virus itself.


All true as far as I know, and IMO that makes it a Chinese issue. In
this day and age of political correctness bullshit, attributing it to
its source is interpretted by these twits as racist.

I saw a similar racist angle in a Toronto newspaper yesterday. There had
been big spontaneous gathering at the Trinity Bellwoods park in
Toronto. A opion piece in the Toronto Star written by a woman with a
middle eastern name in appearance called them white covidiots.
Apparently it is acceptable to make negative comments about white
people. There was no mention about what had happened in Niagara Falls.
The city's tourist business has all but shut down for the pandemic, Over
the last few years the falls have been attracting huge numbers of south
Asians and middle eastern people from the Toronto area. My son was
working down there and it was all to wall brown skinned people. No one
would day to publish that in the media, but white people going to their
neighbourhood park are fair game. Heaven forbid any of those white
people refer to the Chinese virus.

[Dave Smith]

Cry me a river. I heard the whining about the Covid related racism
against Chinese Canadians when this thing first started. The fact is
that it started in China and there had been thousands and thousands of
Chinese Canadians who had gone back home for the moon festival. That was
about the time the virus started showing up here. They were complaining
that their kids were being hassled at school. Meanwhile, they are the
ones wearing the masks.

[Taxed and Spent]

And I don't see any groundswell among the Chinese over here, of any
generation, to hold the CCP accountable for this or much of anything.

[jmcquown]

On 5/25/2020 1:03 PM, Gary wrote:
> Trump is right. Much fake news and I just saw 2 local
> news channels doing just that a few minutes ago on the
> news at noon.
>

I just watched a live press conference held by the Mayor of Savannah,
GA. I don't live in Savannah but I was curious about what he had to
say. He went out walking around this weekend (wearing a mask) just to
see firsthand what was actually going on in his town over Memorial Day
weekend. He reported people all over the place, mostly 20-somethings,
and most of them not wearing masks. Crowds on the sidewalks and parks.
Restaurants with outdoor seating were packed. No social distancing. He
overheard a guy who wasn't wearing a mask talking about him (the Mayor)
to some other people. The guy said, "Bet the Mayor doesn't wear a mask,
no way am I going to wear a mask." The idiot he didn't even know the
Mayor was a few feet away, wearing a mask. The Mayor spoke up, but he
didn't identify himself. (He wasn't out to bust the guy.) He simply
said, "Masks are a good idea and the right thing to do." The guy said
again, "I'm not going to wear a mask."

That's the temperature of things in Savannah right now. People just
gotta get out and hang out in crowds and to hell with how it affects
anyone else.

The Mayor brought up a very good point in his press conference. If this
virus isn't brought under control *now*, what's going to happen if
there's a hurricane? Where do these people think they're going to go?
Aunt Fanny up north probably isn't going to want them to come stay with
her. Hotels in Atlanta won't welcome them, either. Temporary
evacuation shelters would become a hotspot for spread of the virus and
that would be a huge problem.

IMHO, people need to stop being so selfish. It won't kill you to stay
home. It might just kill you if you don't.

Jill

[jmcquown]

On 5/25/2020 4:00 PM, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
> On Monday, May 25, 2020 at 2:36:22 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>>
>> As long as they're outside, they're fairly safe.
>>
> Being outside and in the sun is the best 'medicine' and 'cure' for this
> virus. But common sense also needs to be exercised.
>

When the temps are mild and the sun is shining I sit on the patio and
read. The self-isolation orders don't say you can't spend time in your
own back yard or on your balcony or patio. Just don't go hanging out in
crowds and if you must, please wear a mask. It's pretty simple, really.

Jill

[Dave Smith]

We could be in for stormy times with China in the near future.Canada is
already in their bad books because we acted on a US request to arrest
and hold a Chinese executive for violating trade sanctions. They have
retaliated by refusing to buy some Canadian agricultural products and
they had arrested and held two Canadian men for a year and a half,
accusing them of spying.

Meanwhile, the protests are heating up in Hong Kong. There are 300,000
"Canadians" living there, most of whom came over in the early 90s, got
Canadian citizenship, and then returned. Our government likes to send a
signal that we will defend out citizens, even though people like them
are basically citizens of convenience. It should be interesting.

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Tuesday, May 26, 2020 at 10:00:45 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> Bruce wrote:
> > Please, don't insult the average American that is Gary.
>
> That comment does seem to be true often. (for better or worse)
> So many times when I form an opinion, I feel like the
> "difficult one" but often it turns out that the majority
> feels the same way.
>
> Current example: I feel that Trump's best ammo to win a
> re-election is all the constant bullying ever since he
> was elected. Even farther back to when he first announced
> that he was running. It's been non-stop.
>
> And I'm not talking about usenet bullying. That happens with
> any president and the losing side gnashing teeth.
>
> I'm talking about Congress wasting all of our tax dollars
> doing one investigation after another just trying to
> ruin him. I've never seen it so bad in my lifetime.

If the House (which is mostly lawyers) felt they had enough
evidence for a Bill of Impeachment, then not drawing up the
bill would have been a dereliction of their duty.

> They did impeach him (just like Clinton was) but not
> removed from office. That entire process shamed them and
> wasted so much tax dollars.

Perhaps the Senate should have done a proper trial instead
of stamping their foot and saying "No!"

> After all this grief, I'm suprised that he would even want
> to be re-elected. After all, he is rich and has earned his
> fame as being a president, plus a nifty retirement income
> for life including bodyguards for life.
>
> He's old and maybe just time to retire and enjoy the rest
> of his life. I suspect that he really doesn't give a crap
> whether he wins or loses. He's already won it all.

Fat chance. He'd feel like a loser if he didn't run again,
and that's the worst thing in Donald Trump's books.

Cindy Hamilton

[U.S. Janet B.]

Good job, Cindy.
Janet US

[Gary]

Dave Smith wrote:
> We could be in for stormy times with China in the near future.Canada is
> already in their bad books because we acted on a US request to arrest
> and hold a Chinese executive for violating trade sanctions.

Trump's fault, once again? Damn him!

[dsi1]

That's just the white guy's view of things. They like to blame colored folks for their problems. My guess is that you don't even have a clue if they're Chinese or not before you spit in their general direction. The Asians have a decidedly different view in these matters.

[Gary]

Cindy Hamilton wrote:

>
> Gary wrote:
> > After all this grief, I'm suprised that he would even want
> > to be re-elected. After all, he is rich and has earned his
> > fame as being a president, plus a nifty retirement income
> > for life including bodyguards for life.
> >
> > He's old and maybe just time to retire and enjoy the rest
> > of his life. I suspect that he really doesn't give a crap
> > whether he wins or loses. He's already won it all.
>
> Fat chance. He'd feel like a loser if he didn't run again,
> and that's the worst thing in Donald Trump's books.

Did you see on the news today? Now Trump and Pence are trading
insults. lol The entertainment factor never ends. ;-D

[Dave Smith]

Oh bullshit. I don't even know if they are Chinese or not? They are
billing themselves as Chinese when they come along and rant about being
victims of anti Chinese racism. Your defensiveness is decidedly racial.

[Bruce]

Even when it's warm, people tend to be inside. For work, to eat, to
sleep, etc.

On the other hand, Australia does have a flu season, so maybe also a
Covid season. We'll have to wait and see. The effect might be hard to
separate from the effect of relaxing lockdown.

[Bruce]

On Tue, 26 May 2020 11:53:30 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

>On 5/25/2020 4:00 PM, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
>> On Monday, May 25, 2020 at 2:36:22 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>>>
>>> As long as they're outside, they're fairly safe.
>>>
>> Being outside and in the sun is the best 'medicine' and 'cure' for this
>> virus. But common sense also needs to be exercised.
>>
>When the temps are mild and the sun is shining I sit on the patio and
>read.

Based on your posts, that's all you do.

[Bruce]

On Tue, 26 May 2020 09:58:42 -0400, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:

>Bruce wrote:
>> Please, don't insult the average American that is Gary.
>
>That comment does seem to be true often. (for better or worse)
>So many times when I form an opinion, I feel like the
>"difficult one" but often it turns out that the majority
>feels the same way.

That's why it's a worry that you're a fan of Trump.

(...)

>He's old and maybe just time to retire and enjoy the rest
>of his life. I suspect that he really doesn't give a crap
>whether he wins or loses. He's already won it all.

He's sacrificing human lives to get re-elected, so you bet he wants to
win.

[Gary]

jmcquown wrote:
> IMHO, people need to stop being so selfish. It won't kill you to stay
> home. It might just kill you if you don't.

News reporter the other day,
"I'm a christian and I'm dying to go back to church" ;)

[U.S. Janet B.]

anything to draw the attention away from the bad news number 100,000.

[U.S. Janet B.]

yes, he was rebutting someone who implied that only ardent church
goers cared about church services.

[Bruce]

On Tue, 26 May 2020 15:00:13 -0400, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:

I always thought that going to church was part of the "duty" of a
religious person. I didn't realise they actually liked it and missed
it if they couldn't go.

[Gary]

I have a relative that is totally eaten up with the church
stuff. She goes to 2 churches every single day of the week.
This mess is killing her. She has been attending the drive-in
church services but can't wait until they are allowed to go
back inside.

Way overkill, imo, but if it makes her happy, so be it.
There are much worse addictions. :)

[graham]

Really?

[Bruce]

I can understand the social aspect of going to church. But I think
there are also lots of people who get some kind of religious
withdrawal if they can't go.

[Lucretia Borgia]

They don't really miss it, but the ones in charge pocketing the cash,
they miss it!

[dsi1]

You've completely missed the point. The people of this abuse could be Korean, or Japanese, or Vietnamese, or Cambodian. It don't matter because nobody is asking if they're Chinese or not before they're told to back to where they came from, or threatened, or assaulted. As it goes, it's anti-Asian racism, not anti-Chinese racism.

[dsi1]

The chump and his minions always wanted to be #1. They sure got their wish!

[Bruce]

Heroin, gambling, meth :)

[Bruce]

I'm not a fan of churches either, but you sound rather traumatised :)

[Bruce]

And you try to outweigh that with pro-Asian racism?

[dsi1]

Beats the heck out of me. It just is what it is. My posts are like haikus - it captures a point in time without any angles/spin/POVs. Pretty awesome, eh?

[Bruce]

On Tue, 26 May 2020 13:27:18 -0700 (PDT), dsi1

Positively wonderful!

[Dave Smith]

If he is such a good Christian he should learn the words of Jesus:
When you pray, you shall not be as the hypocrites, for. they love to
stand and pray in the synagogues and in the. corners of the streets,
that they may be seen by men.
Mark6:5

[Dave Smith]

The duty of a good Christian is to to keep the Sabbath holy. The Church
thrives on the concept of good vs evil and you show that you are good by
being a member of the church and attending services.... where they get
your money. In most churches it was common for churchgoers to do
business with other members of their church. When I was younger,
Protestants would patronize Protestant run business and avoid doing
business with Catholics.... and vice versa. A lot of businessmen went
to church for business contacts more than for worship.

FWIW... there are a lot of Dutch immigrants around here. While some of
them are normal, likeable people, a lot of the others are quite
fundamentalist, variations of the the Reformed Church. They are often
referred to as the Dutch Mafia because they latch on to various
agricultural and agriculture based businesses and corner markets. While
they will market their products and services outside their Reform
community, they go only to each other for supplies.

It has it's pros and cons. While they have their strange ways they make
good neighbours. They are hard working and build nice houses. The kids
are generally law abiding. The worst you might expect is speeding. You
won't catch them living off welfare.

[Bruce]

On Tue, 26 May 2020 17:01:34 -0400, Dave Smith
<adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>The duty of a good Christian is to to keep the Sabbath holy. The Church
>thrives on the concept of good vs evil and you show that you are good by
>being a member of the church and attending services.... where they get
>your money. In most churches it was common for churchgoers to do
>business with other members of their church. When I was younger,
>Protestants would patronize Protestant run business and avoid doing
>business with Catholics.... and vice versa. A lot of businessmen went
>to church for business contacts more than for worship.

This is also how the Netherlands was before the 60s. Very
compartmentalized. For instance, if you were a kid and joined a
football club, it would be a Catholic, Protestant or Socialist club.
And there was no choice. Your background decided that for you. This
nonsense largely disappeared in the 60s.

>FWIW... there are a lot of Dutch immigrants around here. While some of
>them are normal, likeable people, a lot of the others are quite
>fundamentalist, variations of the the Reformed Church. They are often
>referred to as the Dutch Mafia because they latch on to various
>agricultural and agriculture based businesses and corner markets. While
>they will market their products and services outside their Reform
>community, they go only to each other for supplies.

They still exist as a small minority in the Netherlands. They're like
stuck in time. There are several variations of them, because when they
disagree about a religious topic, one side will split off and start a
new church.

>It has it's pros and cons. While they have their strange ways they make
>good neighbours. They are hard working and build nice houses. The kids
>are generally law abiding. The worst you might expect is speeding. You
>won't catch them living off welfare.

As a kid, my best friend was from such a family. I spent a lot of time
there. I always had to be careful not to say Gosh, Gee or similar, let
alone stronger language. But they were good people.

[Lucretia Borgia]

In what way? I'm an atheist, I don't care if churches are open or
shut.

[Bruce]

On Tue, 26 May 2020 18:39:51 -0300, Lucretia Borgia

You're always rather black and white. I think mass religions are a
relic from the past, but I don't think they're all bad people, not
even the management: reverends, priests, nuns, vicars or whatever
they're all called.

[jmcquown]

Stop trimming posts to fit your silly agenda.

Jill

[cshenk]

U.S. Janet B. wrote:

> On Mon, 25 May 2020 16:00:03 -0500, "cshenk" <csh...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > Gary wrote:
> >
> >> Trump is right. Much fake news and I just saw 2 local
> >> news channels doing just that a few minutes ago on the
> >> news at noon.
> >>
> >> OMG!
> >> Headline:
> >> "Large crowds at the beach this holiday weekend"
> >> Then they showed many clips of huge crowds on the
> >> beach (the sand), walking on the boardwalk and eating at the
> >> outdoor beach restaurants.
> >>
> >> Fake part is all those shots were taken last year or
> >> some other summer weekend. All show bright sunny
> >> weather and hot. Many people on the beach in just
> >> bathing suits, mass crowds on the boardwalk wearing
> >> shorts and t-shirts, and same with the people
> >> sitting in very crowded outdoor cafe's.
> >>
> >> 1) not a single person wearing a mask
> >> 2) No sun here at the beach all weekend
> >> It's been cloudy, cold and windy and even mostly
> >> fog/drizzle right here at the oceanfront all weekend
> >> and even still now.
> >>
> >> To their credit, they did show a few brief shots of
> >> real life at the oceanfront this weekend. Almost nobody
> >> on the sand and the boardwalk is mostly deserted.
> >> The few people out are dressed very heavily and warmly for
> >> this crappy cold weather. Very gray ocean and sky.
> >>
> >> Virginia Beach always lies and likes to portray a
> >> perfect little resort town. They have the local
> >> news here helping them out with that. Must be some
> >> serious "under the table" money being exchanged here.
> >>
> >> I was appalled at what I just watched on the news.
> >>
> >> Personally, I feel sorry for anyone that spent their
> >> vacation money to come here this weekend. It is NOT
> >> a nice weekend at all for a beach vacation. Even
> >> the ocean water is still cold.
> >>
> >> I really need to move away from this area.
> >> <spit>
> >
> > I heard about it. I checked the cameras and only a few people in
> > well separated family groups plus a few riding bikes. Grey, chilly
> > (for the season).
>
> there are beaches on the west coast as well as around the Great Lakes
> and even smaller lakes.

Yes, but he was talking specifically about the Virginia Beach story.
It used pictures of last year.

[U.S. Janet B.]

Doesn't apply in the above situation. I think it was a White House
Press thingy with the new female speaker for rump. (can't remember
what they call them)
I'm glad you can quote scripture but the reporter was simply
responding to a cover story that the rump admin was putting out that
only non church goers didn't want the church's open for nefarious
reasons.
Janet US

[jmcquown]

On 5/26/2020 3:00 PM, Gary wrote:

You snipped my and the Mayor of Savannah's most important point:

"... If this virus isn't brought under control *now*, what's going to
happen if there's a hurricane? Where do these people think they're
going to go? Aunt Fanny up north probably isn't going to want them to
come stay with her. Hotels in Atlanta won't welcome them, either.
Temporary evacuation shelters would become a hotspot for spread of the
virus and that would be a huge problem."

It certainly would be.

Jill

[jmcquown]

We get that. Maybe he should stop watching the fake news.

Jill

[cshenk]

Lucretia Borgia wrote:

> On Mon, 25 May 2020 16:59:43 -0500, "cshenk" <csh...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 26 May 2020 06:20:07 +1000, Bruce <br...@null.null> wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Mon, 25 May 2020 13:00:29 -0700 (PDT),
> >> > "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
> >> ><itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > On Monday, May 25, 2020 at 2:36:22 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> >>> As long as they're outside, they're fairly safe.
> >> > > >
> >> > > Being outside and in the sun is the best 'medicine' and 'cure'
> >> > > for this virus. But common sense also needs to be exercised.
> >> >
> >> > I see people being stupid in various countries. We're still
> careful >> > and waiting to see how the guinea pigs go. And that's in
> Australia, >> > with "only" a 100 deaths so far.
> >>
> >> That's likely because it is summer in Oz.
> >
> > Nope, headed to winter there. Flip side of the equatore remember.
>
> I am well aware of Oz, three sets of relatives there, two in NZ, I
> meant that while the virus hit us it was during our winter, whereas
> down under they had summer weather, now that is reversing and it will
> be interesting to see if our stats decrease and theirs increase, in
> which case we should be prepared for next winter here.

Ah ok. Might do that. Hard to say yet of course.

[cshenk]

Gary wrote:

> cshenk wrote:
> > The FAke news was the Virginia Beach stories.
>
> Yes, I was talking about right here only because I live
> right here and our weather was so nasty.
> And sw (Mr.Knowitall) is wrong...they didn't have any
> "file footage" notes under the videos shown.
>
> This morning's local news (ABC) showed more about the
> weekend at the beach. This time showing cloudy grey
> weather, very few people on beach or boardwalk and
> also eating outside at some boardwalk cafe's. Some
> were wearing masks, all were dressed warmly, jackets
> and sweatshirts. That's "real news."
>
> But then they did another fake one briefly.
> Quick story about our Governor visiting Va.Beach this
> weekend. Sunny and warm day. He was in short sleeves
> and many people all around in shorts, etc. He was
> standing in a crowd greeting and talking with people.
> Not a single mask to be seen.
> And NO, Stevey, again no "file footage" caption.
>
> Anyway, same damn miserable weather today and also
> predicted for tomorrow.
>
> Right now (6am Tuesday):
> 05:56 NE 3 2 miles Fog/Mist 59 59 100%
> Time wind visibility conditions temp dp humdity
>
> This link shows the 3-day history of weather here starting
> from the time you click on it.
> https://w1.weather.gov/data/obhistory/KNTU.html
>
> I haven't seen true sunshine here for about 10 days now
> and more grim days to follow... WTH?

I was wondering about that one on the governors visit. Something didn't
ring right there.

[cshenk]

Gary wrote:

> Sqwertz wrote:
> >
> > cshenk wrote:
> > > Steve, when re-reported it didn't have any markers like that.
> >
> > And you happened to be watching the exact same unknown Newscast
> > Gary supposedly saw 12 hours later and knew to look for it even
> > before you read my post?
> >
> > That's the biggest load of bullshit I've heard all year. Got any
> > more? Sheldon is running low.
>
> He who knows it all, knows nothing. Quit embarrassing yourself,
> Steve-o
>
> This isn't the first time you've done this either.
> Remember when you claimed I was illegally stealing
> clams and oysters from the state park?
>
> You even Googled the state park's rules to prove
> that you were right. That one was even too funny to
> respond to, so I let it drop.

LOL! They have areas of protection and areas open to the public for
fishing. I believe it's some of the better crabbing at the First
landing park?

[Julie Bove]

"Gary" <g.ma...@att.net> wrote in message news:5ECBFA46...@att.net...

Yep. Sick of it!

[Ophelia]

"Gary" wrote in message news:5ECD6EAE...@att.net...

====

She is not hurting anyone and I think that is a big plus.

It obviously does keep her happy and at a time like this it a good
thing!

Why don't you pop along with her to see ;p



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[Cindy Hamilton]

Your posts have plenty of angles/spin/POVs. They're your posts and reflect
your psyche.

Cindy Hamilton

[Gary]

The entire park is open to the public but the official trails
for people only skirts the perimeters. I used to hike out
in the remote places, following animal trails, not the people
trails. Steve is right that you're not supposed to take
anything from the park itself. That's what he read.

The difference is that although I parked there
(the 64th St. entrance) down at the water's edge, the
state park ends at the mean high tide mark. All the
seafood from the bay is NOT in the state park.
No problem parking in the state park then getting
fish, crab, clams, oysters from the bay (Broad Bay).
People do that all the time. Perfectly legal.

> I believe it's some of the better crabbing at the First
> landing park?

Maybe on the north end on the Chesapeake Bay. (?)
I've never gone to that side.

The south side of the park borders Broad Bay and
don't waste your time crabbing there. Most crabs there
are too small to keep.

The very best crab spots at the beach are inside
of Rudee Inlet. I discovered a "honey spot" years
ago. I could go and set out 4 lines and fill two
5-gallon buckets in less than an hour. That's about
8 dozen crabs.

Sadly, since then, that whole Croatan area has been all
developed. Massive housing and no where to park for
visitors. Only way for good crabbing there now is
to have a boat to get there.

My daughter was born May 1979. We stayed home often
that summer as she was a newborn. Every weekend on
a day off, I would get up at dawn and catch a bushel
of crabs. I was always home before the girls even
got up.

Then I would kill them, cook them and put away in the
fridge. Much of our summer was watching tv while picking
crabs. Eating as much as we wanted but also freezing
some in 1/2 pound bags.

Buy end of crab season, we had 28 pounds of crabmeat
in the freezer plus had probably eaten that much by then
too.

With that surplus, we ended up trying many different
crab recipes. So many good ones.

Note to Bruce: The above was a true Dave-like story. :)

[GM]

Yes, but it was also an *interesting* story, unlike Dave's lengthy maudlin tales...

What kind of crabs, BTW...???

--
Best
Greg

[Gary]

GM wrote:
> What kind of crabs, BTW...???

https://www.chesapeakebay.net/S=0/fieldguide/critter/blue_crab
http://www.earthintransition.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Blue-crab-1-012113.jpg

or just google "blue crabs"

[jmcquown]

Or google the ones that are a PITA to pick and yield very little meat.
Oh, j/k. Heh.

Jill

[Gary]

jmcquown wrote:

>
> cshenk wrote:
> > Yes, but he was talking specifically about the Virginia Beach story.
> > It used pictures of last year.
> >
> We get that. Maybe he should stop watching the fake news.

If you consider NBC and ABC fake news, you're no different
than Trump. He's always said the same thing about them.