Vegetable processing plants are next

[U.S. Janet B.]

Stories are beginning about investigations into frozen vegetable
plants and workers being told to show up so product doesn't spoil. I
can't see why that wouldn't also apply to food canning plants and
those facilities that handle only fresh produce.
rump wants to force everyone to work regardless of density of the
virus or whether they are sick. Workers say they refuse to work in
those unsafe conditions.
It will be interesting to see how everything goes.
Janet US

[Boron Elgar]

On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 17:35:29 -0600, U.S. Janet B. <J...@nospam.com>
wrote:

There is extreme racism and immigration hatred involved in all of
this, too.OSHA pays no attention to enforcement and the CDC is ceding
its responsibilities.

[Julie Bove]

"U.S. Janet B." <J...@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:tg3kaf1ib8pi4hvfo...@4ax.com...

It's also happening to those who pick produce.

[U.S. Janet B.]

rump is removing operating money from the CDC in order to make them
play his tune. I've been watching for his play on OSHA. Both of
those agencies have the power to enforce changes at all of these
plants or they will be closed. Not on rump's agenda. He wants the
votes in those states and he thinks he will get it from the big boys
that hold the bucks. If one half of the citizens is ill or dying
their remaining relatives aren't going to vote for him. When pressed,
rump said 'we have a plan to take care of them.' HUH! Show me.
But I agree on the racism and immigration bias. People like that
just don't count :(
Janet US

[U.S. Janet B.]

the farmers aren't going to vote for rump or any GOP if the farmer can
see his produce rotting in the field or on the tree.

[Boron Elgar]

On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 20:27:14 -0600, U.S. Janet B. <J...@nospam.com>

Smithfield is Chinese owned, so while he owes hundreds of millions to
a state run Chinese bank, he will maybe do a bit of public tweaking,
probably through prior agreement, he will let the company get away
with murder.

Oh, and notice that he chased out Chinese journalists and they chased
out ours. What a nice way to keep journalists from either place from
investigating the crooked craziness and dangerous business and health
practices..

[Gary]

"U.S. Janet B." wrote:
> the farmers aren't going to vote for rump or any GOP if the farmer can
> see his produce rotting in the field or on the tree.

I will say one thing. You are certainly steady in your hatred
of everything Trump.

You just said the he wants all factory workers to work yet he
will be voted out because farm workers won't pick vegetables.
He wants everyone to get back to work and we need to.

This is the america that we all fear. No common sense.
Just blind hatred against one party or the other.
Americans are pretty much equal in that.

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Thursday, April 30, 2020 at 12:59:53 PM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> "U.S. Janet B." wrote:
> > the farmers aren't going to vote for rump or any GOP if the farmer can
> > see his produce rotting in the field or on the tree.
>
> I will say one thing. You are certainly steady in your hatred
> of everything Trump.
>
> You just said the he wants all factory workers to work yet he
> will be voted out because farm workers won't pick vegetables.
> He wants everyone to get back to work and we need to.
>

Nobody wants to work if it endangers their life. Him waving his hand
and saying "everybody back to work" is foolish and simplistic.

Cindy Hamilton

[Bruce]

On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 12:58:31 -0400, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:

>"U.S. Janet B." wrote:
>> the farmers aren't going to vote for rump or any GOP if the farmer can
>> see his produce rotting in the field or on the tree.
>
>I will say one thing. You are certainly steady in your hatred
>of everything Trump.

Just as you are steady in defending him against all odds.

[Bruce]

If they first inject themselves with bleach, they can safely go to
work.

[Hank Rogers]

Maybe, but I think cresol works better when taken intravenously.

[graham]

On 2020-04-30 10:58 a.m., Gary wrote:
> "U.S. Janet B." wrote:
>> the farmers aren't going to vote for rump or any GOP if the farmer can
>> see his produce rotting in the field or on the tree.
>
> I will say one thing. You are certainly steady in your hatred
> of everything Trump.
>

https://postimg.cc/7CBZPJmg

Tell us, what is there to admire in this moronic POTUS?

[Bruce]

Gary blindly follows The Leader. When he sees Trump, his right arm
starts to twitch.

[U.S. Janet B.]

On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 12:58:31 -0400, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:

I just gave you facts. Do you think it is o.k. for the president to
order the meat plants back to work and give the plants and owners
immunity from any legal action brought against them but not giving
any protections for the workers?
He's ordering the workers to go back and get sick and maybe die for
$15/hour. for the pork plants and $14/hour for the chicken plants.
The hot spots for the virus in each state is located in the plant
community.
That is not blind hatred on my part. It is anger that he did not
include edicts regarding plant cleaning, installation of separation of
workers, masks, hand washing facilities, closing down to accommodate
all the sick workers, testing to determine the scope of the sickness
etc

Janet US

[Omni Vore]

On 4/30/2020 9:58 AM, Gary wrote:

> I will say one thing. You are certainly steady in your hatred
> of everything Trump.

An anguished question from a Trump supporter: "Why do liberals think
Trump supporters are stupid?"

The serious answer: Here’s what we really think about Trump supporters -
the rich, the poor, the malignant and the innocently well-meaning, the
ones who think and the ones who don't...

That when you saw a man who had owned a fraudulent University, intent on
scamming poor people, you thought "Fine."

That when you saw a man who had made it his business practice to stiff
his creditors, you said, "Okay."

That when you heard him proudly brag about his own history of sexual
abuse, you said, "No problem."

That when he made up stories about seeing Muslim-Americans in the
thousands cheering the destruction of the World Trade Center, you said,
"Not an issue."

That when you saw him brag that he could shoot a man on Fifth Avenue and
you wouldn't care, you chirped, "He sure knows me."

That when you heard him illustrate his own character by telling that
cute story about the elderly guest bleeding on the floor at his country
club, the story about how he turned his back and how it was all an
imposition on him, you said, "That's cool!"

That when you saw him mock the disabled, you thought it was the funniest
thing you ever saw.

That when you heard him brag that he doesn't read books, you said,
"Well, who has time?"

That when the Central Park Five were compensated as innocent men
convicted of a crime they didn't commit, and he angrily said that they
should still be in prison, you said, "That makes sense."

That when you heard him tell his supporters to beat up protesters and
that he would hire attorneys, you thought, "Yes!"

That when you heard him tell one rally to confiscate a man's coat before
throwing him out into the freezing cold, you said, "What a great guy!"

That you have watched the parade of neo-Nazis and white supremacists
with whom he curries favor, while refusing to condemn outright Nazis,
and you have said, "Thumbs up!"

That you hear him unable to talk to foreign dignitaries without
insulting their countries and demanding that they praise his electoral
win, you said, "That's the way I want my President to be."

That you have watched him remove expertise from all layers of government
in favor of people who make money off of eliminating protections in the
industries they're supposed to be regulating and you have said, "What a
genius!"

That you have heard him continue to profit from his businesses, in part
by leveraging his position as President, to the point of overcharging
the Secret Service for space in the properties he owns, and you have
said, "That's smart!"

That you have heard him say that it was difficult to help Puerto Rico
because it was the middle of water and you have said, "That makes
sense."

That you have seen him start fights with every country from Canada to
New Zealand while praising Russia and quote, "falling in love" with the
dictator of North Korea, and you have said, "That's statesmanship!"

That Trump separated children from their families and put them in cages,
managed to lose track of 1500 kids. has opened a tent city incarceration
camp in the desert in Texas - he explains that they’re just “animals” -
and you say, “well, ok then.”

That you saw him brag about dodging the draft, claiming not getting an
STI was his own ‘personal Vietnam’, insult a Gold star family, insult a
War hero and yet still claim to love the military, and you thought,
“most definitely he does.”

That you saw how they had to cover the name of the warship the USS John
McCain when Trump was in Japan and not allow any of her sailors to meet
with him because they knew Trump would be triggered if he saw that name,
and you thought, “that's real maturity right there.”

That you have witnessed all the thousand and one other manifestations of
corruption and low moral character and outright animalistic rudeness and
contempt for you, the working American voter, and you still show up
grinning and wearing your MAGA hats and threatening to beat up anybody
who says otherwise.

What you don't get, Trump supporters in 2019, is that succumbing to
frustration and thinking of you as stupid may be wrong and unhelpful,
but it's also...hear me...charitable.

Because if you're NOT stupid, we must turn to other explanations, and
most of them are less flattering.

[Bruce]

On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 13:43:54 -0700, Omni Vore <eats...@good.things>
wrote:

I see Gary get smaller with every line of this that he reads. Until
there's only a little mouse with a twitching right arm left.

[Hank Rogers]

Drunpf is a shame.

But canadians have always whined about everything

Drumpf wins, canuck has sore rectum.

[Hank Rogers]

Druce whined:

>
> I see Gary get smaller with every line of this that he reads. Until
> there's only a little mouse with a twitching right arm left.
>

Oh dear ... Is he another missing dutchman?

There may be hell to pay if the king of holland investigates.

[Leo]

On 2020 Apr 30, , Cindy Hamilton wrote
(in article<fc759257-c811-4651...@googlegroups.com>):

> Nobody wants to work if it endangers their life. Him waving his hand
> and saying "everybody back to work" is foolish and simplistic.

And yet it isn’t happening, because he ceded the power to open up the
states to the respective governors, and nearly all are scared sh*tless to
make the call. The rest will act as petri dishes, and we go from there.
Personally, I think it’s too soon, but it has to happen sometime in the
near future.
Nobody knows sh*t, but we’re making strides, we think and hope.

leo

[Bruce]

On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 22:32:37 -0700, Leo <leobla...@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:

>On 2020 Apr 30, , Cindy Hamilton wrote
>(in article<fc759257-c811-4651...@googlegroups.com>):
>
>> Nobody wants to work if it endangers their life. Him waving his hand
>> and saying "everybody back to work" is foolish and simplistic.
>
>And yet it isn’t happening, because he ceded the power to open up the
>states to the respective governors

He ceded power? Didn't the governors always have that power? And
didn't everybody know that, except Trump? Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm
not American, you know.

[Leo]

On 2020 Apr 30, , graham wrote
(in article <r8f78e$a62$1...@dont-email.me>):

> Tell us, what is there to admire in this moronic POTUS?

How’s that sap that runs your tiny population country doing? He’s a
dandy with a pedigree, I’ll give him that. What were his other
qualifications? Did you vote for him? If so, why?

leo

[GM]

Here ya go, Illannoy guv Pritzker IS scared shitless [although his missus flew down to Florida recently to holiday at their $12 million dollar horse farm, LOL!) and this article sez we will be on lockdown past July 4th weekend; I expect to see wide - spread civil disobedience if this happens:

https://www.gunssavelife.com/a-deficit-of-courage-gov-pritzker-plans-to-keep-illinois-closed-until-after-july-4-weekend/

A DEFICIT OF COURAGE: Gov. Pritzker plans to keep Illinois closed until after July 4 weekend

April 28, 2020

"Two independent sources inside Governor Pritzker’s administration have confirmed that their boss plans to keep Illinois closed until after the July 4th weekend.

Neither official would talk on record, but both echoed the same potentially bad news for Land of Lincoln residents. And they cited the governor’s risk-aversion for his paralysis in making moves to open Illinois for business.

Last week, Governer Jay Robert Pritzker (aka Judgement: Bad) extended his Executive Order and related “rules” and other edicts through the end of May. However, the gov. has already faced one successful lawsuit blocking his unconstitutional restrictions. Additionally, a number of sheriffs and police chiefs have announced they have no intention of enforcing Pritzker’s economically disastrous orders.

Behind the scenes and news conferences, Pritzker plans to keep Illinois closed through the end of the Independence Day weekend.

Why?

Because Chicago is the epicenter of Chinese flu cases in Illinois. And the governor remains utterly terrified that he will be blamed for any surge of infections and deaths that might follow a massive weekend of celebrations in the Windy City and in the collar counties, especially after a spring-time of people cooped up and eager to get out and socialize.

Yeah, it’s easy for him to heap blame upon President Trump but Pritzker’s thin skin can’t take it. He’s basically paralyzed with fear. Fear that he will be blamed. Fear that he will look weak and ineffective.

One specific event in particular has Pritzker terrified more than any other: the massive fireworks display in Chicago at Navy Pier. Hundreds of thousands gather together, packed closely, to watch the incredible pyrotechnic and laser show.

Aside from his fears of catching blame and second-guessing for Chinese flu infections and deaths, Pritzker’s secondary fear is that he will look weak if (when) people begin to largely ignore his edicts from on high

Pritzker’s worried the local businesses will tell government agents trying to implement business closures and other regulations to go pound sand. Because under Illinois’ Department of Health Act (20 ILCS 2305), while the Illinois Department of Public Health may shut down a non-compliant business, they must get a court hearing within 48-hours or the mandatory closure loses its force of law and government officials must then rely on “voluntary” cooperation. And at this point, without a court order, the business owner may re-open with impunity. And stay open.

And even if the local health authorities go to court, they’re going to run up against local judges, elected by (and held accountable to) local people. Odds are under Equal Protection arguments and others, it will prove a tough sell for government to force closure of one business when others doing similar work under similar circumstances are allowed to remain open. (Construction as an example… construction for government projects continues apace while private construction is supposed to be idled to protect against Wuflu infections).

In addition to fear that businesses and everyday people will begin to ignore his “orders,” Pritzker’s worried about sheriffs, police chiefs and local units of government publicly refusing to enforce them.

This is why Mr. Multi-billionaire Governor came completely unglued when he heard about the Clay County court that sided with Rep. Darren Bailey in ruling Pritzker over-stepped his authority.

His Royal Highness doesn’t like it when some rural county jurist tells the world that the Emporer has no clothes..."

</>

[GM]

Lol, Leo...I'd describe Boy Prince Justin as a witless "fop" - and I am being *somewhat* charitable, even...

<chuckle>

--
Best
Greg

[Leo]

On 2020 Apr 30, , Bruce wrote
(in article<acdnaft33vfobb4ui...@4ax.com>):

Imprecise language on my part. Every governor would like him to be the
final word. Every congressman would too. Not one Democrat would object if
he did. One person to blame is safer than a thousand. He didn’t fall for
it.
Meanwhile, he implemented the Defense Production Act for ventilators which
were deemed vital in early March, desperately needed, and practically
nonexistent for the coming crisis.

<https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/memorandum-order-defense-
production-act-regarding-purchase-ventilators/>

Now we supply them to countries that need them. We have a glut, because
so-called sophisticated computer models didn’t prognosticate sh*t. They
are pretty much like sophisticated climate change models that don't
prognosticate sh*t. You just gotta believe!
I seem to be using the word sh*t a lot lately. I wonder what it means?

leo

[GM]

Leo wrote:

> On 2020 Apr 30, , Bruce wrote
> (in article<acdnaft33vfobb4ui...@4ax.com>):
>
> > On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 22:32:37 -0700, Leo<leobla...@sbcglobal.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On 2020 Apr 30, , Cindy Hamilton wrote
> > > (in article<fc759257-c811-4651...@googlegroups.com>):
> > >
> > > > Nobody wants to work if it endangers their life. Him waving his hand
> > > > and saying "everybody back to work" is foolish and simplistic.
> > >
> > > And yet it isn’t happening, because he ceded the power to open up the
> > > states to the respective governors
> >
> > He ceded power? Didn't the governors always have that power? And
> > didn't everybody know that, except Trump? Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm
> > not American, you know.
>
> Imprecise language on my part. Every governor would like him to be the
> final word. Every congressman would too. Not one Democrat would object if
> he did. One person to blame is safer than a thousand. He didn’t fall for
> it.

In this case, he is a brilliant strategist...

> Meanwhile, he implemented the Defense Production Act for ventilators which
> were deemed vital in early March, desperately needed, and practically
> nonexistent for the coming crisis.
>
> <https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/memorandum-order-defense-
> production-act-regarding-purchase-ventilators/>
>
> Now we supply them to countries that need them. We have a glut, because
> so-called sophisticated computer models didn’t prognosticate sh*t. They
> are pretty much like sophisticated climate change models that don't
> prognosticate sh*t. You just gotta believe!
> I seem to be using the word sh*t a lot lately. I wonder what it means?

History will one day judge that this whole extended lockdown thing as one of the biggest goofs in history, along the lines of Hitler invading the USSR or Marie Antoinette's "Let them eat cake" utterance...

--
Best
Greg

[Bruce]

On Fri, 01 May 2020 00:31:00 -0700, Leo <leobla...@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:

>On 2020 Apr 30, , Bruce wrote
>(in article<acdnaft33vfobb4ui...@4ax.com>):
>

>> He ceded power? Didn't the governors always have that power? And
>> didn't everybody know that, except Trump? Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm
>> not American, you know.
>
>Imprecise language on my part. Every governor would like him to be the
>final word. Every congressman would too. Not one Democrat would object if
>he did. One person to blame is safer than a thousand. He didn’t fall for
>it.

He wanted absolute power, thought he had absolute power, said he had
absolute power and then was corrected off-screen by wiser men than
him.

>Meanwhile, he implemented the Defense Production Act for ventilators which
>were deemed vital in early March, desperately needed, and practically
>nonexistent for the coming crisis.
>
><https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/memorandum-order-defense-
>production-act-regarding-purchase-ventilators/>

Trump was too slow. He underestimated this crisis for a long time.
That's why the US is now the country with the second highest amount of
corona cases per capita, after Italy.

[Leo]

On 2020 May 1, , GM wrote
(in article<9b579dd9-f32e-434f...@googlegroups.com>):

> History will one day judge that this whole extended lockdown thing as one of
> the biggest goofs in history, along the lines of Hitler invading the USSR or
> Marie Antoinette's "Let them eat cake" utterance...

Check out my refrigerator and high dollar ice cream -- Nancy Pelosi
If you need a job, go to work for an essential service -- Andrew Cuomo

Their arrogance is magnificent, but Democrats love them. I don’t get it.

leo

[GM]

It is like our Chicago Mayor boasting that she got a haircut, because "I need to present a professional appearance" - 'course she had a private hairdresser come to her home, and the happy haircut picture was posted on social media...

Or our FATASS billionaire (a heir to the Hyatt Hotels fortune, and the richest politician in the US) Illanoy governor's wife who just flew down to their lavish Florida horse farm...I guess this was "esential" travel, eh...???

But you don't see criticism about these things in the lamestream major liberal media...

Yeah the Dem "chattering classes" are sincerely hoping that this Chinese flu is the thing that will *finally* "get" Trump...even if it means the ruination of the economy and thus many milions of lives. Their dream is to so devastate the fates of average folks so that they can enforce a socialist agenda of dependency (similar to how the "War on Poverty" destroyed urban minorities and made them a dependent class)...if this continues the US will be looking a lot like destitute backwards Cuba...

Life in permanent lockdown is the dream of lefties like OAC who want the "Green New Deal"...I mean carbon emissions are down, fossil - fueled manufacturing is on the ropes, we can even be "eliminating" meat from our diets...all for the "public good"...!!!

If you wanna see "The Brave New Green World" in action, go here, very scary, fights worldwide are down 80 - 100%:

https://www.flightradar24.com/

All for now, but this is my informed opinion...

;-)

--
Best
Greg

[Leo]

On 2020 May 1, , Bruce wrote
(in article<m5mnaflsthg8gisd2...@4ax.com>):

> Trump was too slow. He underestimated this crisis for a long time.
> That's why the US is now the country with the second highest amount of
> corona cases per capita, after Italy.

Regarding your premise, sure, why not? If you believe it, It has to be
true. Regarding corona cases, China cases are certainly far higher than we
will ever know. North Korea has no cases, and I have a ten dollar bridge in
Brooklyn to sell you.
What you and I believe are nearly all notions. Only math, leading to
provable, repeatable science are real. Repeat that last sentence, over and
over, as you go to sleep tonight. If you remember it tomorrow, it will
serve you well for the rest of your life.

leo

[Bruce]

On Fri, 01 May 2020 01:38:33 -0700, Leo <leobla...@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:

>On 2020 May 1, , Bruce wrote
>(in article<m5mnaflsthg8gisd2...@4ax.com>):
>
>> Trump was too slow. He underestimated this crisis for a long time.
>> That's why the US is now the country with the second highest amount of
>> corona cases per capita, after Italy.
>
>Regarding your premise, sure, why not? If you believe it, It has to be
>true. Regarding corona cases, China cases are certainly far higher than we
>will ever know. North Korea has no cases, and I have a ten dollar bridge in
>Brooklyn to sell you.

I knew you'd say this. I was not referring to dictatorships and
underdeveloped countries. In the developed world, the US comes 2nd in
cases per capita. Even though you had more time to prepare than the
Europeans. Trump failed big time. But I'm talking to a believer, I
know :)

[Ophelia]

"Leo" wrote in message
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[Leo]

On 2020 May 1, , Bruce wrote

(in article<8eonafd22s4jpghmp...@4ax.com>):

> I knew you'd say this. I was not referring to dictatorships and
> underdeveloped countries.

You have to learn to be specific. Otherwise, you won’t be taken
seriously. Other than the other homework that I gave you, chant “be
specific” as you go to sleep tonight. That’s two things.

> In the developed world, the US comes 2nd in
> cases per capita. Even though you had more time to prepare than the
> Europeans. Trump failed big time. But I'm talking to a believer, I
> know :)

How much earlier than the U.S., did Australia stop China travel? How much
earlier did the E.U.? I’m too tired to look it up? Get back to me. I’m
going to bed but await edification in two to three days. I’m counting on
you.

leo

[Bruce]

On Fri, 01 May 2020 02:26:49 -0700, Leo <leobla...@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:

You can do your own homework. He's your president. Lucky bastard!

[Gary]

You worry so much, I'll nominate you as the American Mascot.

The individual state governors have always had the final say yet
Trump gets blamed for everything bad.

Sadly, Americans have turned this serious pandemic into
political games only thinking about next November.
NO ONE will take responsibility for their own actions.
So easy to blame someone else when they screw up.

[Boron Elgar]

This serious pandemic turned itself into a global socio-economic
crisis.

The ego-centricity you claim about it being only a political game in
and only so in the US because of the election is foolish and blind.

[Gary]

Boron Elgar wrote:

>
> Gary wrote:
> >Sadly, Americans have turned this serious pandemic into
> >political games only thinking about next November.
> >NO ONE will take responsibility for their own actions.
> >So easy to blame someone else when they screw up.
>
> This serious pandemic turned itself into a global socio-economic
> crisis.
>
> The ego-centricity you claim about it being only a political game in
> and only so in the US because of the election is foolish and blind.

I'm only talking about conditions in the USA. Get it?
So tell me. Do you agree that it's all Trump's fault?
Or at least, mostly his? (in the USA, I'm talking about)

[Boron Elgar]

On Fri, 01 May 2020 10:15:36 -0400, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:

>Boron Elgar wrote:
>>
>> Gary wrote:
>> >Sadly, Americans have turned this serious pandemic into
>> >political games only thinking about next November.
>> >NO ONE will take responsibility for their own actions.
>> >So easy to blame someone else when they screw up.
>>
>> This serious pandemic turned itself into a global socio-economic
>> crisis.
>>
>> The ego-centricity you claim about it being only a political game in
>> and only so in the US because of the election is foolish and blind.
>
>I'm only talking about conditions in the USA. Get it?

I not only "get it," ya goofball, I analyze and write about it, ok?

>So tell me. Do you agree that it's all Trump's fault?
>Or at least, mostly his? (in the USA, I'm talking about)

What are you even talking about? What is Trump's fault? If you are
going to set up a straw man, at least put a few strands of straw in
it..

[U.S. Janet B.]

On Fri, 1 May 2020 01:37:07 -0700 (PDT), GM
<gregorymorr...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Leo wrote:
>
>> On 2020 May 1, , GM wrote
>> (in article<9b579dd9-f32e-434f...@googlegroups.com>):
>>
>> > History will one day judge that this whole extended lockdown thing as one of
>> > the biggest goofs in history, along the lines of Hitler invading the USSR or
>> > Marie Antoinette's "Let them eat cake" utterance...
>>
>> Check out my refrigerator and high dollar ice cream -- Nancy Pelosi
>> If you need a job, go to work for an essential service -- Andrew Cuomo
>>
>> Their arrogance is magnificent, but Democrats love them. I don’t get it.
>
>
>It is like our Chicago Mayor boasting that she got a haircut, because "I need to present a professional appearance" - 'course she had a private hairdresser come to her home, and the happy haircut picture was posted on social media...
>
>Or our FATASS billionaire (a heir to the Hyatt Hotels fortune, and the richest politician in the US) Illanoy governor's wife who just flew down to their lavish Florida horse farm...I guess this was "esential" travel, eh...???
>
>But you don't see criticism about these things in the lamestream major liberal media...
>

>snip
that's funny, I saw the criticism about those issues

[Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl]

On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 17:35:29 -0600, U.S. Janet B. <J...@nospam.com>
wrote:

>
>Stories are beginning about investigations into frozen vegetable
>plants and workers being told to show up so product doesn't spoil. I
>can't see why that wouldn't also apply to food canning plants and
>those facilities that handle only fresh produce.
>rump wants to force everyone to work regardless of density of the
>virus or whether they are sick. Workers say they refuse to work in
>those unsafe conditions.
>It will be interesting to see how everything goes.
>Janet US

The idiot people of this world need to realize that a virus has to run
its course. Can it be controlled? No not really. It can be slowed but
usually can not be stopped completely, at least not in a few years. It
is something that takes decades.
You can either have a lot of people that get infected all at once then
those that recover are fine and the problem has passed. in a few week
or maybe a few month. Or you can get every one to go into self
isolation and wear masks in public so you can slow the spread and then
the problem can take years for the virus to run its course. I will
always choose the first option. People are going to die anyway so TAKE
off the god damn masks and let this virus run its course.
But no the idiots in power want to remain in power even though they
are idiots and say wear your masks, so what ends up happening is the
planet will be shut down for longer periods of time, the economies all
go to shit, there is another world wide depression and PEOPLE STILL
get SICK AND SOME DIE!

GET OVER IT ALREADY. If its your time then suck it up an accept that
your time in this world is over. Dont boo hoo about it and send this
world into shit because you are worried about getting sick.
Now I do not know how many people are familiar with history BUT the
last world wide depression led to the second world war and 75+ million
people died because of it. That is what it took to bring this world
out of the depression. Is that what the idiots in power want now? Is
that what you want?
Should we all pray to the imaginary baby jesus and ask for help? Well
the christians might but then again the christians are one of the main
causes for ww2.

so choose what you want.

--

____/~~~sine qua non~~~\____

[Bruce]

On Fri, 01 May 2020 09:55:11 -0400, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:

>Bruce wrote:
>>

>> He ceded power? Didn't the governors always have that power? And
>> didn't everybody know that, except Trump? Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm
>> not American, you know.
>
>You worry so much, I'll nominate you as the American Mascot.
>
>The individual state governors have always had the final say yet
>Trump

/was the only one who didn't know that?

>gets blamed for everything bad.

I see.

>Sadly, Americans have turned this serious pandemic into
>political games only thinking about next November.
>NO ONE will take responsibility for their own actions.
>So easy to blame someone else when they screw up.

Trump doesn't care about all the people dying. He just wants to be
re-elected. Exactly like the US presidents during the Vietnam war.
They didn't care about American soldiers dying. They just wanted to be
re-elected.

[jmcquown]

On 4/30/2020 3:26 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:

> On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 12:58:31 -0400, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:
>
>> "U.S. Janet B." wrote:
>>> the farmers aren't going to vote for rump or any GOP if the farmer can
>>> see his produce rotting in the field or on the tree.
>>
>> I will say one thing. You are certainly steady in your hatred
>> of everything Trump.
>>

>> You just said the he wants all factory workers to work yet he
>> will be voted out because farm workers won't pick vegetables.
>> He wants everyone to get back to work and we need to.
>>
>> This is the america that we all fear. No common sense.
>> Just blind hatred against one party or the other.
>> Americans are pretty much equal in that.
>
> I just gave you facts. Do you think it is o.k. for the president to
> order the meat plants back to work and give the plants and owners
> immunity from any legal action brought against them but not giving
> any protections for the workers?
> He's ordering the workers to go back and get sick and maybe die for
> $15/hour. for the pork plants and $14/hour for the chicken plants.
> The hot spots for the virus in each state is located in the plant
> community.
> That is not blind hatred on my part. It is anger that he did not
> include edicts regarding plant cleaning, installation of separation of
> workers, masks, hand washing facilities, closing down to accommodate
> all the sick workers, testing to determine the scope of the sickness
> etc
>
> Janet US
>
The Big Giant Talking (Orange) Head still thinks everything will be back
to normal in a couple of weeks. [Note: I've noticed his orange "tan" is
noticibly fading... is he running out of Coppertone self-tanning
lotion?!) There are no facts to back up what he's saying. He talks
about how many people have access to Covid-19 tests with no facts to
back it up.

Any time one of the medical experts at one of his ["Look at ME!"] press
conferences tries to answer a medical question he cuts them off. He's
playing politics with people's lives while he's hunkered down in the
White House. Oh, and bitching because he can't leave the White House.
Uh... I for one would LOVE to see him leave the White House. Heh.

And what's the deal with VP Pence visiting Covid-19 patients at the Mayo
Clinic and he's the only man in a ward full of sick people and
front-line healthcare workers who *isn't* wearing a mask? Pence
addressed that by saying he gets tested every week. Oh, I'm sure the
general population is thrilled he can get tested regularly. What about
everyone else?

Jill

[Bruce]

On Fri, 1 May 2020 16:04:45 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

>The Big Giant Talking (Orange) Head still thinks everything will be back
>to normal in a couple of weeks. [Note: I've noticed his orange "tan" is
>noticibly fading... is he running out of Coppertone self-tanning
>lotion?!) There are no facts to back up what he's saying. He talks
>about how many people have access to Covid-19 tests with no facts to
>back it up.
>
>Any time one of the medical experts at one of his ["Look at ME!"] press
>conferences tries to answer a medical question he cuts them off. He's
>playing politics with people's lives while he's hunkered down in the
>White House. Oh, and bitching because he can't leave the White House.
>Uh... I for one would LOVE to see him leave the White House. Heh.
>
>And what's the deal with VP Pence visiting Covid-19 patients at the Mayo
>Clinic and he's the only man in a ward full of sick people and
>front-line healthcare workers who *isn't* wearing a mask? Pence
>addressed that by saying he gets tested every week. Oh, I'm sure the
>general population is thrilled he can get tested regularly. What about
>everyone else?

Does he think he can't get it because he gets tested?

[U.S. Janet B.]

On Fri, 1 May 2020 16:04:45 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

I know, you're right.. It's all about the visual for the upcoming
election.
Janet US

[Hank Rogers]

I'm scottish too Jill (Back to the Jacobian rebellian). You have to
fend for yourself. Drumpf is what he is. Don't bother attacking a
bag of shit, lass. The more you piss on a cockroach like Drumpf,
the more energy you waste.

[dsi1]

Oddly enough, I'm okay with el vice-presidente not wearing a mask. That gringo is scary enough without a mask.

[Omni Vore]

On 5/1/2020 12:17 PM, Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl wrote:

> People are going to die anyway

As long as you're going to be next, all righty then.

Fuck off, assnugget.

[Bruce]

dsi1 brought this next lame idea :

> Oddly enough, I'm okay with el vice-presidente not wearing a mask. That
> gringo is scary enough without a mask.
>

You're so hawt looking, you should make
fun of others.

https://imgur.com/a/A6aJ7kZ

[graham]

On 2020-04-30 11:41 p.m., Leo wrote:
> On 2020 Apr 30, , graham wrote
> (in article <r8f78e$a62$1...@dont-email.me>):
>
>> Tell us, what is there to admire in this moronic POTUS?
>
> How’s that sap that runs your tiny population country doing? He’s a
> dandy with a pedigree, I’ll give him that. What were his other
> qualifications? Did you vote for him? If so, why?
>

> leo
>
>
He's widely respected by other world leaders and at least he has the
guts to introduce sensible gun controls.

[dsi1]

Yoose guys are into body shaming. What is yoose - 14 year old girls? You're also collecting photos of me. That's creepy/psycho. Also, your photo editing leaves much to be desired.

https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared/zb5ePcccT6av-P7Ev0ApQw.Vy5i3nnI5ntFFYKHu6kE8o

[Bruce]

I don't know if Trudeau's widely respected, but they're not laughing
at him behind his back as is the case with Trump.

[Bruce]

I think the PM of Finland's widely respected:
<https://image.cnbcfm.com/api/v1/image/106335554-1579006759563gettyimages-1192801006.jpeg?v=1580828299>

I don't know why.

[Dave Smith]

I trust that you aren't referring to his latest knee jerk reaction to
the guy who went on a rampage that including killing a cop and stealing
her gun to shoot more people. The firearms he banned today have not
posed a problem to anyone. Meanwhile, he has opened up the prison doors
and released scores of violent offenders.

[U.S. Janet B.]

On Fri, 1 May 2020 17:33:08 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net>
wrote:

>On Friday, May 1, 2020 at 1:22:39 PM UTC-10, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>> On Fri, 1 May 2020 16:04:45 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
>> wrote:

snip

>> >And what's the deal with VP Pence visiting Covid-19 patients at the Mayo
>> >Clinic and he's the only man in a ward full of sick people and
>> >front-line healthcare workers who *isn't* wearing a mask? Pence
>> >addressed that by saying he gets tested every week. Oh, I'm sure the
>> >general population is thrilled he can get tested regularly. What about
>> >everyone else?
>> >
>> >Jill
>>
>> I know, you're right.. It's all about the visual for the upcoming
>> election.
>> Janet US
>
>Oddly enough, I'm okay with el vice-presidente not wearing a mask. That gringo is scary enough without a mask.

true enough, but at least your wife and daughters are safe
Janet US

[dsi1]

I'm no chicken little but I fear that nobody's safe at the moment.

[GM]

U.S. Janet B. wrote:

> On Fri, 1 May 2020 17:33:08 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net>
> wrote:
>
> >On Friday, May 1, 2020 at 1:22:39 PM UTC-10, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> >> On Fri, 1 May 2020 16:04:45 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
> >> wrote:
>
> snip
> >> >And what's the deal with VP Pence visiting Covid-19 patients at the Mayo
> >> >Clinic and he's the only man in a ward full of sick people and
> >> >front-line healthcare workers who *isn't* wearing a mask? Pence
> >> >addressed that by saying he gets tested every week. Oh, I'm sure the
> >> >general population is thrilled he can get tested regularly. What about
> >> >everyone else?
> >> >
> >> >Jill
> >>
> >> I know, you're right.. It's all about the visual for the upcoming
> >> election.
> >> Janet US
> >
> >Oddly enough, I'm okay with el vice-presidente not wearing a mask. That gringo is scary enough without a mask.
>
> true enough, but at least your wife and daughters are safe
> Janet US

Not with "Sleepy Joe Biden" larking about, LOL...!!!

<snicker>

--
Best
Greg

[jmcquown]

The visual really sucks. Pence was supposed to be "in charge" of
handling this. The Mayo Clinic couldn't convince him to wear a freakin'
mask in a room full of infected people. Oh, he's fine! He gets tested
all the time! Good lord.

Jill

[jmcquown]

I'm talking about conditions in the USA, too. It's a virus. It doesn't
care what political party you may or may not belong to. It's the
*response* to the panedemic we're talking about and yes, the buck does
stop and start with Trump and all the elected officials. Trump can't
just say everything is going to be okay because hey! Today is May 1st!
Time to go back outside! The virus hasn't been checking the calendar
nor does it care about the election cycle.

What are the Covid-19 numbers in your state, Gary? Do you even know?
Is the curve up or down?

Here in SC today May 1st, 2020: "160 new cases of the coronavirus
COVID-19, and 12 additional deaths were reported to DHEC."

Doesn't sound like a downward turn to me. But sure, if you want to go
hang out with Trump and his gang at a rally soon, feel free. That's all
he's been talking about lately.

Do you really think this POTUS gives a shit about you?

Jill

[Bruce]

dsi1 explained on 5/1/2020 :

You and your pal are both fugly humps.

https://imgur.com/a/jopeTXf

[Gary]

"U.S. Janet B." wrote:

>
> dsi1 wrote:
> >Oddly enough, I'm okay with el vice-presidente not wearing a mask. That gringo is scary enough without a mask.
>
> true enough, but at least your wife and daughters are safe
> Janet US

Ok, Mrs.Democrat. Now your beloved Biden is accused of being
a "pussy-grabber" (TM Bruce). He says it's not true.

Do you believe him or do you believe the woman?
Remember - with this "Me Too" movement, the men are
automatically considered guilty and lose their jobs.
No trial necessary.

[Gary]

jmcquown wrote:
>
> What are the Covid-19 numbers in your state, Gary? Do you even know?
> Is the curve up or down?

Virginia will begin to reduce restrictions starting this month.
I don't blindly follow anyone. Never needed any official to
tell me how to act either.

I'll continue to take precautions and do a "wait and see"
thing here.

My issue is that so many just want to pass the blame for
their own actions onto some official. Common trend these
days.

[Cindy Hamilton]

I'm not Mrs. Democrat, but here's my take on it:

She makes a fairly compelling case, even 30 or so years later. I
wouldn't expect everyone's memories to be perfect.

However, it's quite unlikely that a man would get to the point of
doing what she claims without ever having done something similar
to anyone else. It seems unlikely he was overwhelmed by her charms
and simply lost his senses. Her case would be more compelling if
other credible women came forth to tell a comparable story.

I don't give a shit about "me too". People have always been tried in
the court of public opinion. Employers have the right to fire anyone
for any reason.

Would you prefer that sexual predators keep doing their thing?

Cindy Hamilton

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Saturday, May 2, 2020 at 8:29:41 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> Never needed any official to
> tell me how to act either.

But some people do. I want the government to protect me from other people's
bad decisions. That's what it's there for.

Cindy Hamilton

[jmcquown]

I'm just glad South Carolina isn't following (yet) the example of
Georgia's Governor Kemp. Apparently it's very important to be able to
get your hair and nails done (which involve close contact) during a
pandemic. Oh, and everyone needs to be allowed to go bowling. These
things are *very* important. <snork>

Jill

[Gary]

Bruce wrote:
>
> Gary wrote:
>
> >"U.S. Janet B." wrote:

> >> the farmers aren't going to vote for rump or any GOP if the farmer can
> >> see his produce rotting in the field or on the tree.
> >
> >I will say one thing. You are certainly steady in your hatred
> >of everything Trump.
>

> Just as you are steady in defending him against all odds.

OK Bruce...here's the deal.

John here often posts dumb shit and he is constantly picked
on and bullied to no end. Even when he posts normal things,
he's always critisized here. At this point, he is
damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.
And you stick up for him because of the constant bullying.
I agree too.

Same for me with Trump. Not our best President and he often
says dumb shit but this insane constant bullying is not
right. He's also damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

You defend John against the bullying yet you join the
wolf pack against Trump. Respond with your niftiest retort
but you ARE a bully just like those you don't like.
Your way is not necessarily the right way.

[jmcquown]

Ever wonder why it took her almost 30 years to mention it? The Me Too
movement is older than that. She didn't speak up then.

Biden was called out early in his campaign (as a result of the Me Too
movement) for innocently touching women on their shoulders at press
conferences. He listened and stopped doing that. How about the many
women who accused Trump of being sexually aggressive over the years?
Ever heard of Stormy Daniels? Oh wait, she was paid off and quietly
disappeared. He was implicated in letting Harvey Winestein use his
Miralago Resort to entice teenage girls to come to "parties" at his
house... Would you have let your daughter go? POTUS, Kettle, Black.

You really should stop defending Trump.

Jill

[Boron Elgar]

On Fri, 1 May 2020 18:48:54 -0600, graham <g.st...@shaw.ca> wrote:

Yup. Trudeau is intelligent, willing to make bold choices and has a
decent relationship with other world leaders or similar decency.

[Boron Elgar]

That last paragraph shows you up well for the flaming piece of sexist
shit you are.

[graham]

https://postimg.cc/VrhpCKpy

[Dave Smith]

The Me Too concerns be because it almost seems like too many people want
to share the spot light of victimization. They can have some sort of
sexual liaison with someone rich and powerful, or later to be rich and
powerful, and then, years later, after someone else makes a complaint,
they all come out of the woodwork to be included.

We has a Me Too issue up here a couple years ago when a CBC radio host
was accused of assaulting a woman, and then two other women made similar
accusations. They dumped him in a heart beat and he ended up facing
charges. I had not problem with that because he was such a smarmy jerk.
He was acquitted on the charges.

When the crap first hit the fan the guy was quite candid about
enjoying rough sex. He liked to get physical and hit women, but he
complained that the acts were consensual.

The cases fell apart when the three women were caught lying repeatedly.
While one claimed that she was so pissed off she never saw him again, it
turned out that she had. They had more dates, more sex, and more rough
sex, and she sent him emails telling him how much she had enjoyed it.
That complainant and another swore that they had not discussed the
incidents and the accused with each other, but the defense checked their
internet records and found emails between the two of them where they
discussed the cases and what they had told the cops and the lawyers etc,
and there were thousands of similar emails.... thousands. Yet they had
denied discussing it at all.

The third woman claimed to have been so traumatized by the assault that
she never wanted to see the guy again, could not listen to his show, and
could not even listen to the show with a new host. She denied that she
had contacted him, denied emailing him, denied sending photos of herself
in a very revealing bikini. They had the emails and the photos and
showed them to her and she still denied it, but then admitted it, but
explained that she had been trying to lure him to a meeting where she
would get him to admit what he had done and apologize to her.

The guy was acquitted because the three alleged victims had zero
credibility. When you give testimony in court and get caught lying you
lose your credibility and any testimony you give is deemed to worthless.
This was a case where one women came forward with an accusation (later
settled privately) and then three more jumped in the bandwagon with
surprising similar stores, and each one was found to be lying.

The guy lost his job, his career and his reputation and his accusers
were all found to have been lying.

[graham]

See my reply to Dave:-)

[jmcquown]

I, for one, choose to believe whoever is most credible and has the most
facts to back up allegations. Investigate and prove it in court (either
side, don't care which sex or what party you belong to). I want facts,
not unproven accusations flung about in the media.

Trump should stop bringing up Hunter Biden and screaming nepotism. He
has everyone in his family except for his youngest son (he's not old
enough yet) on the friggin' payroll.

Sorry, I'm a little angry. I don't find Trump to be at all credible
about anything. And despite what Gary and some others would like to
believe, I wasn't always a Democrat. I voted Republican for a long
time. I changed my mind *years* before Trump ever thought about running
for office.

My father was a die-hard Republican. I'm pretty darned sure he'd be
rolling in his grave if he could see the mockery this man has made of
the office.

Jill

[Boron Elgar]

On Sat, 2 May 2020 10:29:31 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

Amen...

[Dave Smith]

He is a smooth talker. I will give him that. He just enacted a
ridiculous gun control regulation that bans a class of firearm basically
because they look nasty. There has never been a problem with "assault
rifles" in Canada, but he and his fellow Liberals have an issue with
them because of an incident that happened more than 30 years ago.
Firearms can only be legally owned by people who are licensed. We had a
mass shooting last year that involved a person who illegally acquired a
rifle, shot a cop, stole her hand gun and then killed a bunch more
people. We have young gang members running around shooting each other
on a weekly basis, all with illegal handguns, usually smuggled into the
country, but they keep coming up with excuses fro violent crime by
marginalized youth.


The same guy fired his Attorney General because she refused to pressure
an independent prosecutor to allow a DPA for a company that was being
prosecuted on corruption charges. She told him quite clearly that it is
improper to allow a DPA in that case, that it was improper for her to
pressure the independent prosecutor and improper for him to pressure
her. So he fired her. When she went public and there was so much proof
he could no longer deny it he finally admitted that he had done wrong
and said that he took full responsibility which, in his mind, appears to
mean he can no longer deny it so he will fess up but not face consequences.

[Dave Smith]

Ahh... the old pseudo intellectual association of fire arms and penis
size. That ranks up there with the irony of people assuming that all
cops are racists.

Target shooting is a legitimate recreational activity. Hunting is a
legitimate recreational activity. The firearms banned can be used to
hunting and target shooting. There was absolutely no reason to ban them
and it was a knee jerk reaction to an incident that did not involve that
class of firearm. It affects only the "assault rifles" that are in the
hands of legally licensed gun owners, who have proven themselves to be
trustworthy, and it does absolutely nothing to deal the problem of hung
gang members running around shooting each other to protect their drug
business and the sense of street honour.

Carding worked well, but the people in the communities didn't like being
profiled. They eliminated carding and shootings immediately jumped 50%.
Maybe you can find a silly cartoon to try to explain that.

[Dave Smith]

Careful not to hurt your arm patting yourself on the back.

[Boron Elgar]

On Sat, 2 May 2020 11:47:54 -0400, Dave Smith
<adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>On 2020-05-02 10:23 a.m., graham wrote:
>> On 2020-05-01 7:29 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2020-05-01 8:48 p.m., graham wrote:
>>>> On 2020-04-30 11:41 p.m., Leo wrote:
>>>>> On 2020 Apr 30, , graham wrote
>>>>> (in article <r8f78e$a62$1...@dont-email.me>):
>>>>>
>>>>>> Tell us, what is there to admire in this moronic POTUS?
>>>>>
>>>>> How’s that sap that runs your tiny population country doing? He’s a
>>>>> dandy with a pedigree, I’ll give him that. What were his other
>>>>> qualifications? Did you vote for him? If so, why?
>>>>>
>>>>> leo
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> He's widely respected by other world leaders and at least he has the
>>>> guts to introduce sensible gun controls.
>>>
>>> I trust that you aren't referring to his latest knee jerk reaction to
>>> the guy who went on a rampage that including killing a cop and
>>> stealing her gun to shoot more people. The firearms he banned today
>>> have not posed a problem to anyone.  Meanwhile, he has opened up the
>>> prison doors and released scores of violent offenders.
>>
>> https://postimg.cc/VrhpCKpy
>>
>
>
>Ahh... the old pseudo intellectual association of fire arms and penis
>size. That ranks up there with the irony of people assuming that all
>cops are racists.

Look, Davey, m'boy, you're a right wing gun toting white guy. You've
always defended assault weapon ownership and praised butch-acting
cops. It is what you are. I assume you are a racist with a small
dick, too.

>
>Target shooting is a legitimate recreational activity.

So is stamp collecting. Anybody ever shoot up a school with a stamp
scrapbook?

>Hunting is a
>legitimate recreational activity.

Hunting for food is understandable. Hunting for recreation is only
legitimate in the mind of a sick fuck like you or Eric & Donnie Trump.

> The firearms banned can be used to
>hunting and target shooting. There was absolutely no reason to ban them
>and it was a knee jerk reaction to an incident that did not involve that
>class of firearm. It affects only the "assault rifles" that are in the
>hands of legally licensed gun owners, who have proven themselves to be
>trustworthy, and it does absolutely nothing to deal the problem of hung
>gang members running around shooting each other to protect their drug
>business and the sense of street honour.

Yeah...all those drug dealers with assault weapons who drive around
with the black mamas in pink Cadillacs collecting welfare right? I
mean, I am sure that is what you really have in mind.
>

[Boron Elgar]

Oh...don't forget to go to church Sunday morning.

[Dave Smith]

On 2020-05-02 12:04 p.m., Boron Elgar wrote:
> On Sat, 2 May 2020 11:47:54 -0400, Dave Smith

>> Ahh... the old pseudo intellectual association of fire arms and penis
>> size. That ranks up there with the irony of people assuming that all
>> cops are racists.
>
> Look, Davey, m'boy, you're a right wing gun toting white guy. You've
> always defended assault weapon ownership and praised butch-acting
> cops. It is what you are. I assume you are a racist with a small
> dick, too.

All dicks probably feel small in your gaping vagina.

>>
>> Target shooting is a legitimate recreational activity.
>
> So is stamp collecting. Anybody ever shoot up a school with a stamp
> scrapbook?
>
>> Hunting is a
>> legitimate recreational activity.
>
> Hunting for food is understandable. Hunting for recreation is only
> legitimate in the mind of a sick fuck like you or Eric & Donnie Trump.
>
>> The firearms banned can be used to
>> hunting and target shooting. There was absolutely no reason to ban them
>> and it was a knee jerk reaction to an incident that did not involve that
>> class of firearm. It affects only the "assault rifles" that are in the
>> hands of legally licensed gun owners, who have proven themselves to be
>> trustworthy, and it does absolutely nothing to deal the problem of hung
>> gang members running around shooting each other to protect their drug
>> business and the sense of street honour.
>
> Yeah...all those drug dealers with assault weapons who drive around
> with the black mamas in pink Cadillacs collecting welfare right? I
> mean, I am sure that is what you really have in mind.

That is an interesting perspective you have on the people whoa re
committing gun crimes. Is there some reality that you are trying to
project on me while you remain in denial?

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Saturday, May 2, 2020 at 12:04:54 PM UTC-4, Boron Elgar wrote:

> Look, Davey, m'boy, you're a right wing gun toting white guy. You've
> always defended assault weapon ownership

Could you do me a solid and describe what you mean by "assault weapon"?
Form, function, caliber, whatever you think will help me to understand
which weapons you are talking about.

Thanks,

Cindy Hamilton

[Gary]

Boring Elgar wrote:

>
> Gary wrote:
> >Do you believe him or do you believe the woman?
> >Remember - with this "Me Too" movement, the men are
> >automatically considered guilty and lose their jobs.
> >No trial necessary.
>
> That last paragraph shows you up well for the flaming piece of sexist
> shit you are.

And your response causes you to lose face and shows
just how biased you are. So you believe
women no matter what they claim? It must be true?
Every single claim?

I have no doubt that many claims are true but not so
many that we have seen in the past few years.
I suspect that many are also just vindictive women
finally going after revenge for being jilted.

Ever heard of "copy cat" crimes?

Maybe it's time for an "US TOO" rampage.
Men claiming how some women scorned have a life-long
issue and hatred after giving up their goodies
in hopes of a life-long relationship. Fair is fair right?

[Gary]

Boring Elgar wrote to Dave:

> Oh...don't forget to go to church Sunday morning.

Do you have issues with people that go to church too?
Life is not all about YOU and what you believe.

[U.S. Janet B.]

On Sat, 02 May 2020 08:27:36 -0400, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:

what I meant by that comment was that Pence righteously will not be
alone with any female because of religious beliefs. However,
distancing does not keep him from 'sinning in his mind' or in the
shower.

[U.S. Janet B.]

On Sat, 2 May 2020 11:47:54 -0400, Dave Smith

<adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

snip

>
>Target shooting is a legitimate recreational activity. Hunting is a
>legitimate recreational activity. The firearms banned can be used to
>hunting and target shooting. There was absolutely no reason to ban them
>and it was a knee jerk reaction to an incident that did not involve that
>class of firearm. It affects only the "assault rifles" that are in the
>hands of legally licensed gun owners, who have proven themselves to be
>trustworthy, and it does absolutely nothing to deal the problem of hung
>gang members running around shooting each other to protect their drug
>business and the sense of street honour.

snip
I'll bet you I could hit a target if I had a gun with 30 rounds of
auto-fire. . . even if the target was moving.
Janet US

[Gary]

"U.S. Janet B." wrote:
> what I meant by that comment was that Pence righteously will not be
> alone with any female because of religious beliefs. However,
> distancing does not keep him from 'sinning in his mind' or in the
> shower.

You hate Trump but I feel that Pence is even scarier.
We might agree on that one.

[Gary]

"U.S. Janet B." wrote:
>
> I'll bet you I could hit a target if I had a gun with 30 rounds of
> auto-fire. . . even if the target was moving.

lol Very true. Even a bad aim with a burst of 30 rounds
is hard to miss a target.

I wouldn't mind carrying an auto with a clip while hiking
in bear country though. See an angry bear charging and
you would wish you had all ammo and the kitchen sink.

[Lucretia Borgia]

Sure says a lot about what you are like if you think Gomeshi should be
free!

[Lucretia Borgia]

They are not weapons you would use for hunting or defending your home,
but rather military type weapons, made to kill many and quickly.
That's what the shooter in Las Vegas used.

Weapons of war. I agree that I think men who want to own them are
really covering up their own physical inadequacies, something like old
bald men driving Maserati's.

[Lucretia Borgia]

On Sat, 02 May 2020 10:51:39 -0600, U.S. Janet B. <J...@nospam.com>
wrote:

It's a joke really, to me it means he is not in charge of himself.

[Dave Smith]

Better yet, she could try to post some statistics to see if they have
ever been a problem in Canada, especially if any incident involved
legally acquired firearms in the hands of licensed owners. Licensed
owners have never been much of a factor in gun crimes here. The problem
with firearms violence is in the realm of criminals using illegal arms.

[Dave Smith]

On 2020-05-02 12:06 p.m., Boron Elgar wrote:
> On Sat, 02 May 2020 12:04:50 -0400, Boron Elgar

>> Yeah...all those drug dealers with assault weapons who drive around
>> with the black mamas in pink Cadillacs collecting welfare right? I
>> mean, I am sure that is what you really have in mind.
>>>
>
> Oh...don't forget to go to church Sunday morning.
>

Church??? Is that another one of the characteristics I am supposed to
share with all the other legally licensed and law abiding gun owners
here. You are even stupider that I thought. It's funny to see you
trying to belittle my sexuality, considering that between your looks and
you personality you couldn't get fucked on a Saturday night in a bar
full of drunken seamen.

[Dave Smith]

On 2020-05-02 12:48 p.m., Gary wrote:
> Boring Elgar wrote:
>>
>> Gary wrote:
>>> Do you believe him or do you believe the woman?
>>> Remember - with this "Me Too" movement, the men are
>>> automatically considered guilty and lose their jobs.
>>> No trial necessary.
>>
>> That last paragraph shows you up well for the flaming piece of sexist
>> shit you are.
>
> And your response causes you to lose face and shows
> just how biased you are. So you believe
> women no matter what they claim? It must be true?
> Every single claim?
>
> I have no doubt that many claims are true but not so
> many that we have seen in the past few years.
> I suspect that many are also just vindictive women
> finally going after revenge for being jilted.

It's easier for Moron to make a personal attack than to deal with the
facts. I provided a good example of a high profile case of three women
trying to get in on the Me Too movement and when their case got to court
the guy was acquitted because they were found to be lying about just
about everything regarding the case.


Maybe we should have raised the issue of Anthony Bourdain's partner Asia
Argento who was one of the founder's of Me Too and was busy gaining fame
for having been assaulted by Harvey Winestein, and it turned out she was
also in the process of settling an assault case laid against her by an
underage actor.

[Dave Smith]

On 2020-05-02 1:26 p.m., Gary wrote:
> "U.S. Janet B." wrote:
>>
>> I'll bet you I could hit a target if I had a gun with 30 rounds of
>> auto-fire. . . even if the target was moving.
>
> lol Very true. Even a bad aim with a burst of 30 rounds
> is hard to miss a target.
>

High capacity clips here were already illegal.

> I wouldn't mind carrying an auto with a clip while hiking
> in bear country though. See an angry bear charging and
> you would wish you had all ammo and the kitchen sink.

Maybe you just shouldn't be in their living space if their presence
scares you. I have been on canoe trips where we paddled several days to
the more remote areas. Bears are only interested in your food. Put it in
a bag and hang it from a tree.

[Dave Smith]

On 2020-05-02 1:47 p.m., Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> On Sat, 2 May 2020 10:28:43 -0400, Dave Smith

>> The guy lost his job, his career and his reputation and his accusers
>> were all found to have been lying.
>>
>
> Sure says a lot about what you are like if you think Gomeshi should be
> free!
>

It sure says a lot about you inability to read of you think I said he
should be free. Maybe if I do a short summary it won't exceed your
attention span. A woman complained. Three more jumped in the band wagon
and made similar accusations. He admitted the rough sex and said it
was consensual.... evidenced by subsequent dates with similar low level
violence and emails saying how much they had enjoyed it. All three were
caught in a web of lies and lost their credibility.

I never liked the guy. I was glad to see him get fired. I was especially
glad because his radio persona was Mr. PC all inclusive CBC diversity,
and he was caught in the hypocrisy.

[graham]

On 2020-05-02 9:34 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:

> The same guy fired his Attorney General because she refused to pressure
> an independent prosecutor to allow a DPA for a company that was being
> prosecuted on corruption charges. She told him quite clearly that it is
> improper to allow a DPA in that case, that it was improper for her to
> pressure the independent prosecutor and improper for him to pressure
> her. So he fired her. When she went public and there was so much proof
> he could no longer deny it he finally admitted that he had done wrong
> and said that he took full responsibility which, in his mind, appears to
> mean he can no longer deny it so he will fess up but not face consequences.
>

He wasn't wrong! She was, and she had an agenda! Look up Eddie
Greenspan's commentary on the case in the G&M. That's the Toronto Globe
and Mail, not a RW PostMedia paper!

[Gary]

Bruce wrote:
>
> On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 13:43:54 -0700, Omni Vore <eats...@good.things>
> wrote:
>
> >On 4/30/2020 9:58 AM, Gary wrote:
> >
> >> I will say one thing. You are certainly steady in your hatred
> >> of everything Trump.
> >
> >An anguished question from a Trump supporter: "Why do liberals think
> >Trump supporters are stupid?"
> >
> >The serious answer: Here’s what we really think about Trump supporters -
> >the rich, the poor, the malignant and the innocently well-meaning, the
> >ones who think and the ones who don't...
> >
> >That when you saw a man who had owned a fraudulent University, intent on
> >scamming poor people, you thought "Fine."
> >
> >That when you saw a man who had made it his business practice to stiff
> >his creditors, you said, "Okay."
> >
> >That when you heard him proudly brag about his own history of sexual
> >abuse, you said, "No problem."
> >
> >That when he made up stories about seeing Muslim-Americans in the
> >thousands cheering the destruction of the World Trade Center, you said,
> >"Not an issue."
> >
> >That when you saw him brag that he could shoot a man on Fifth Avenue and
> >you wouldn't care, you chirped, "He sure knows me."
> >
> >That when you heard him illustrate his own character by telling that
> >cute story about the elderly guest bleeding on the floor at his country
> >club, the story about how he turned his back and how it was all an
> >imposition on him, you said, "That's cool!"
> >
> >That when you saw him mock the disabled, you thought it was the funniest
> >thing you ever saw.
> >
> >That when you heard him brag that he doesn't read books, you said,
> >"Well, who has time?"
> >
> >That when the Central Park Five were compensated as innocent men
> >convicted of a crime they didn't commit, and he angrily said that they
> >should still be in prison, you said, "That makes sense."
> >
> >That when you heard him tell his supporters to beat up protesters and
> >that he would hire attorneys, you thought, "Yes!"
> >
> >That when you heard him tell one rally to confiscate a man's coat before
> >throwing him out into the freezing cold, you said, "What a great guy!"
> >
> >That you have watched the parade of neo-Nazis and white supremacists
> >with whom he curries favor, while refusing to condemn outright Nazis,
> >and you have said, "Thumbs up!"
> >
> >That you hear him unable to talk to foreign dignitaries without
> >insulting their countries and demanding that they praise his electoral
> >win, you said, "That's the way I want my President to be."
> >
> >That you have watched him remove expertise from all layers of government
> >in favor of people who make money off of eliminating protections in the
> >industries they're supposed to be regulating and you have said, "What a
> >genius!"
> >
> >That you have heard him continue to profit from his businesses, in part
> >by leveraging his position as President, to the point of overcharging
> >the Secret Service for space in the properties he owns, and you have
> >said, "That's smart!"
> >
> >That you have heard him say that it was difficult to help Puerto Rico
> >because it was the middle of water and you have said, "That makes
> >sense."
> >
> >That you have seen him start fights with every country from Canada to
> >New Zealand while praising Russia and quote, "falling in love" with the
> >dictator of North Korea, and you have said, "That's statesmanship!"
> >
> >That Trump separated children from their families and put them in cages,
> >managed to lose track of 1500 kids. has opened a tent city incarceration
> >camp in the desert in Texas - he explains that they’re just “animals” -
> >and you say, “well, ok then.”
> >
> >That you saw him brag about dodging the draft, claiming not getting an
> >STI was his own ‘personal Vietnam’, insult a Gold star family, insult a
> >War hero and yet still claim to love the military, and you thought,
> >“most definitely he does.”
> >
> >That you saw how they had to cover the name of the warship the USS John
> >McCain when Trump was in Japan and not allow any of her sailors to meet
> >with him because they knew Trump would be triggered if he saw that name,
> >and you thought, “that's real maturity right there.”
> >
> >That you have witnessed all the thousand and one other manifestations of
> >corruption and low moral character and outright animalistic rudeness and
> >contempt for you, the working American voter, and you still show up
> >grinning and wearing your MAGA hats and threatening to beat up anybody
> >who says otherwise.
> >
> >What you don't get, Trump supporters in 2019, is that succumbing to
> >frustration and thinking of you as stupid may be wrong and unhelpful,
> >but it's also...hear me...charitable.
> >
> >Because if you're NOT stupid, we must turn to other explanations, and
> >most of them are less flattering.
>
> I see Gary get smaller with every line of this that he reads. Until
> there's only a little mouse with a twitching right arm left.

The scary thing that I see is that someone hates Trump so much
that they actually spent the time and energy to compose such a
long list. NPLS. (No Personal Life Syndrome).

[Gary]

jmcquown wrote:
>
> Biden was called out early in his campaign (as a result of the Me Too
> movement) for innocently touching women on their shoulders at press
> conferences.

Yeah...for beloved Biden, he only innocently touched women
on their shoulders. Do I see a double standard here?

[Gary]

Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>
> They are not weapons you would use for hunting or defending your home,
> but rather military type weapons, made to kill many and quickly.

That's what war is all about.

> Weapons of war. I agree that I think men who want to own them are
> really covering up their own physical inadequacies, something like old
> bald men driving Maserati's.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

Q: I suppose with the feminist thing, did you also
support women's right to fight in combat? Should they
also be drafted if a draft ever happens again?
Not YOUR daughter though.

[Gary]

I'll bet you Popeye would do her.

[Dave Smith]

On 2020-05-02 1:50 p.m., Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> On Sat, 2 May 2020 09:45:46 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> <angelica...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> On Saturday, May 2, 2020 at 12:04:54 PM UTC-4, Boron Elgar wrote:
>>
>>> Look, Davey, m'boy, you're a right wing gun toting white guy. You've
>>> always defended assault weapon ownership
>>
>> Could you do me a solid and describe what you mean by "assault weapon"?
>> Form, function, caliber, whatever you think will help me to understand
>> which weapons you are talking about.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
> They are not weapons you would use for hunting or defending your home,
> but rather military type weapons, made to kill many and quickly.
> That's what the shooter in Las Vegas used.

That's bullshit and demonstrates the level of ignorance about the
Canadian gun control regulations that is typical of the people who are
opposed to firearms. They can be used for hunting and they can be used
for target shooting. There was always a limit on magazine capacity.
Automatic weapons were already prohibited.

>
> Weapons of war. I agree that I think men who want to own them are
> really covering up their own physical inadequacies, something like old
> bald men driving Maserati's.

Well look at that... another pseudo psychologist. Sometimes men lose
their hair before they can afford a Maserati. Maybe you could explain
how shooting has become so popular with women.

[graham]

On 2020-05-02 9:47 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2020-05-02 10:23 a.m., graham wrote:
>> On 2020-05-01 7:29 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2020-05-01 8:48 p.m., graham wrote:
>>>> On 2020-04-30 11:41 p.m., Leo wrote:
>>>>> On 2020 Apr 30, , graham wrote
>>>>> (in article <r8f78e$a62$1...@dont-email.me>):
>>>>>
>>>>>> Tell us, what is there to admire in this moronic POTUS?
>>>>>
>>>>> How’s that sap that runs your tiny population country doing? He’s a
>>>>> dandy with a pedigree, I’ll give him that. What were his other
>>>>> qualifications? Did you vote for him? If so, why?
>>>>>
>>>>> leo
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> He's widely respected by other world leaders and at least he has the
>>>> guts to introduce sensible gun controls.
>>>
>>> I trust that you aren't referring to his latest knee jerk reaction to
>>> the guy who went on a rampage that including killing a cop and
>>> stealing her gun to shoot more people. The firearms he banned today
>>> have not posed a problem to anyone.  Meanwhile, he has opened up the
>>> prison doors and released scores of violent offenders.
>>
>> https://postimg.cc/VrhpCKpy
>>
>
>

> Ahh... the old pseudo intellectual association of fire arms and penis
> size. That ranks up there with the irony of people assuming that all
> cops are racists.
>

The legislation should also have included an absolute ban on hand guns.
And before you spit out your coffee, don't bother spouting that NRA crap
that "it won't stop criminals" etc.
That guy in Nova Scotia only became a criminal when he used the guns.