Trash Pickup Service and Fees (was: HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY)

[Sqwertz]

On Sat, 1 Jan 2022 18:10:53 -0800 (PST), itsjoan...@webtv.net
wrote:

>> On Sat, 1 Jan 2022 17:44:49 -0800 (PST), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
>> <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>>
>>>I spent the day getting my 2022 wall calendar filled in with doctor
>>>and eye doctor appointments and recycle days written in.

Exciting stuff. What about street sweeping days? I look at
calendars about twice a month. I'll forgot about anything I record
on/in a calendar.

> We get garbage picked up once a week here and we're also provided
> with a recycling bin. Recyclables are collected once a month on a
> specific date for my area of the city.

36 Gallon brush/composting bin
64 Gallon Trash Can
96 Gallon Recycling bin

All picked up weekly. Plus we can put out extra brush cans, piles of
recyclables, and recyclable bags of brush and/or leaves every week.
Twice a year we have large item and large brush pickups (4 total).

Out of curiosity, I compared what we pay $31.45/month for what y0ou
pay almost the same price:

You only get 4X a year brush collection, recycling only 12X/year, no
large trash collection (fridges, couches) plus you have pay for
replacement cans/carts at $50/pop while ours are mostly free (within
reason(*))

Both for $32/month. Fort Worth for the Win!

[OTOH, we pay more for the water leaving our houses (wastewater)
than we do for the supposedly potable water that enters our homes]

What do otheras pay monthly for trash services and at what level?

All lined up and ready to go tonight:

https://i.postimg.cc/mZdrYjpy/Trash-Cans.jpg

(*) I accidentally set my 96gal recycling bin afire with the 50lb
Lazzari lump charcoal when I was smoking some ribs one fateful day -
melted it into a lump of plastic with wheels. I was able to put the
OLD, melted lump of a recycling bin into the NEW recycling bin for
recycling. Heh - If we're paying for recycling, then why should we
have to pay for an old can to be recycled into a new can? Right?!

And also got a replacement for wear and tear on the 64gal trash can
just last month - also for free. The trash truck came and emptied
the trash within it and a half hour later the recycling truck picked
up the empty can and released it into to its hopper rather than
setting it back out for re-use. A new replacement cart/can came a
couple hours later. Pretty efficient, IMHO.

-sw

[Bruce]

On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 13:00:02 -0600, Sqwertz <sqwe...@gmail.invalid>

Uhm, Ghe Ghe Ghe. This is my frogger. Yes. Ghe Ghe Ghe :)))))))))))

[Graham]

On 2022-01-02 12:00 p.m., Sqwertz wrote:
> On Sat, 1 Jan 2022 18:10:53 -0800 (PST), itsjoan...@webtv.net
> wrote:
>
>>> On Sat, 1 Jan 2022 17:44:49 -0800 (PST), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
>>> <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I spent the day getting my 2022 wall calendar filled in with doctor
>>>> and eye doctor appointments and recycle days written in.
>
> Exciting stuff. What about street sweeping days? I look at
> calendars about twice a month. I'll forgot about anything I record
> on/in a calendar.
>
>> We get garbage picked up once a week here and we're also provided
>> with a recycling bin. Recyclables are collected once a month on a
>> specific date for my area of the city.
>
> 36 Gallon brush/composting bin
> 64 Gallon Trash Can
> 96 Gallon Recycling bin
>
> All picked up weekly. Plus we can put out extra brush cans, piles of
> recyclables, and recyclable bags of brush and/or leaves every week.
> Twice a year we have large item and large brush pickups (4 total).
>

We have 3 bins, all the same size, for recyclables, organics and garbage
respectively. The first is collected weekly but during the winter months
the organics bin is collected fortnightly. The general garbage bin is
fortnightly, year-round.

[Bruce]

Tactile buttons, knobs and sliders. Am I the only person who thinks touchscreens look and feel cheap? Many
cars now are even replacing the analog instruments with LCD screens with drawings of analog instruments, which
is just perplexingly stupid looking, and completely counter to the reasons why analog prevailed in popularity over t
he digital gauges of 30+ years ago.

I think cars kinda peaked in still useful to this date features by the mid to late 90s, anything new since then
seems grossly unnecessary, gimmicky or detrimental to the operation of a motor vehicle. But I do like some
trivial things like dedicated USB slots for chargers, Bluetooth pairing and I don’t particularly dislike the keyless
systems(though I don’t care much for it when the fob battery dies).

I don’t miss cassette or CD players, power antennas, ash trays and cigarette lighters (especially when there’s only one)

[Bruce]

Dit is mijn kikker. Ghe Ghe Ghe.

[dsi1]

On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 9:45:19 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> Tactile buttons, knobs and sliders. Am I the only person who thinks touchscreens look and feel cheap? Many
> cars now are even replacing the analog instruments with LCD screens with drawings of analog instruments, which
> is just perplexingly stupid looking, and completely counter to the reasons why analog prevailed in popularity over t
> he digital gauges of 30+ years ago.
>
> I think cars kinda peaked in still useful to this date features by the mid to late 90s, anything new since then
> seems grossly unnecessary, gimmicky or detrimental to the operation of a motor vehicle. But I do like some
> trivial things like dedicated USB slots for chargers, Bluetooth pairing and I don’t particularly dislike the keyless
> systems(though I don’t care much for it when the fob battery dies).
>
> I don’t miss cassette or CD players, power antennas, ash trays and cigarette lighters (especially when there’s only one)

My friend's car has touchscreen controls. You can control the power flow to the wheels, control the traction schemes, control the active suspension, pick between preset programs for transmission shifting. You can set it up to give metrics on the car's performance and monitor engine status. The reality is that you're going to need a multi-function display with a touch screen if you want to diddle around with all the computer controlled capabilities available to your modern car.

[Bruce]

On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 12:09:12 -0800 (PST), dsi1 <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net>
wrote:

Ghe Ghe Ghe

[Bruce]

This is not my frogger.

[Bruce]

[Cindy Hamilton]

I can't recall how much my trash collection costs. Maybe $20/month?
It's a line item on my water/sewer bill, which comes quarterly.

Trash and recycling pickup once a week (different trucks). The township
contracts with a private collection firm. They provide the carts. IIRC
mine are 96 gallons. If they break, they're replaced at no charge to me.
Which is good, because the snowplows play skittles with them. Every
few years one gets a massive crack in it and I call for a replacement.

No street sweeping on my road. No storm sewers; everything just washes
down into the ditch.

In spring/summer/fall, there's yard waste pickup. Those big paper
bags and bundles of brush 4 ft long and 1 ft in diameter. I don't think
we get Christmas tree pickup; the City of Ann Arbor has that.

I think we can get large item pickup. But we get appliances hauled
away by the vendor. Almost anything we've put at the side of the road
has been taken by someone or other. If we have a large construction
project, we haul a trailer load to the materials recovery facility and pay
about $40 for a load to throw it in a giant skip. If we've got any metal,
there's a separate skip for that.

Cindy Hamilton

[Ophelia]

WOW!! Does this mean you can sleep during thr journey???

[Bruce]

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 1:00:08 PM UTC-6, Sqwertz wrote:
>
> On Sat, 1 Jan 2022 18:10:53 -0800 (PST), itsjoan...@webtv.net
> wrote:
>
> >>>I spent the day getting my 2022 wall calendar filled in with doctor
> >>>and eye doctor appointments and recycle days written in.
>
> Exciting stuff. What about street sweeping days? I look at
> calendars about twice a month. I'll forgot about anything I record
> on/in a calendar.
>

Those lazy street sweepers haven't been by in a year. GRRRRRRRRRRR

This is a wall calendar that you have to flip over each month to see
the new month. That's when I see appointments, when to change a/c
filters, etc.

> >
> > We get garbage picked up once a week here and we're also provided
> > with a recycling bin. Recyclables are collected once a month on a
> > specific date for my area of the city.
>
> 36 Gallon brush/composting bin
> 64 Gallon Trash Can
> 96 Gallon Recycling bin
>
> All picked up weekly. Plus we can put out extra brush cans, piles of
> recyclables, and recyclable bags of brush and/or leaves every week.
> Twice a year we have large item and large brush pickups (4 total).
>

I don't know how they came up with collecting recyclable items once
a month but it seems to work ok. But most people do have full bins
when they show up to empty them.

>
> Out of curiosity, I compared what we pay $31.45/month for what y0ou
> pay almost the same price:
>
> You only get 4X a year brush collection, recycling only 12X/year, no
> large trash collection (fridges, couches) plus you have pay for
> replacement cans/carts at $50/pop while ours are mostly free (within
> reason(*))
>
> Both for $32/month. Fort Worth for the Win!
>

We don't pay a monthly fee for trash or recycling collection. That fee
is paid through our property taxes. Metro Nashville owns their own
trash trucks.

I haven't heard of anyone paying for a replacement bin. Just last
month my neighbor across the alley had her trash bin replaced
as the lid had several holes in it from the squirrels chewing it.

>
> [OTOH, we pay more for the water leaving our houses (wastewater)
> than we do for the supposedly potable water that enters our homes]
>

Same here. That's called a sewer fee here and it is more expensive
that fresh water delivered through the lines.
>
> What do others pay monthly for trash services and at what level?
>
I don't have a clue what people pay out of the Metro collection area.

>
> All lined up and ready to go tonight:
>
> https://i.postimg.cc/mZdrYjpy/Trash-Cans.jpg
>

Is your orange can a 64 gallon size and the green one a 32
gallon size??

Only my 64 gallon trash bin is ready for tomorrows pick up.

>
> (*) I accidentally set my 96gal recycling bin afire with the 50lb
> Lazzari lump charcoal when I was smoking some ribs one fateful day -
> melted it into a lump of plastic with wheels. I was able to put the
> OLD, melted lump of a recycling bin into the NEW recycling bin for
> recycling. Heh - If we're paying for recycling, then why should we
> have to pay for an old can to be recycled into a new can? Right?!
>

I don't put my used charcoal into a doubled Walmart bag until the
next day when I'm positive it's no longer 'live.'

>
> And also got a replacement for wear and tear on the 64gal trash can
> just last month - also for free. The trash truck came and emptied
> the trash within it and a half hour later the recycling truck picked
> up the empty can and released it into to its hopper rather than
> setting it back out for re-use. A new replacement cart/can came a
> couple hours later. Pretty efficient, IMHO.
>
> -sw
>

Yes, we can call for a replacement trash or recycle bin at no extra
charge, too.

[Sqwertz]

Here's where the Oxford Comma comma might come in hanbdy (but not
much)./

We can establish that the recyclables are collected weekly (I
think)m, And the pure garbage is collected only every other week.
And the organic compostables only gets collected bi-weekly in the
winter?

There's three different ways you could interpret what you wrote :-)

-sw

it the recyclables are collected weekly all years round, or the
organics are only collected bi-weekly and only the winter?

-sw

[Sqwertz]

On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 12:09:12 -0800 (PST), dsi1 wrote:

> On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 9:45:19 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:

>> Tactile buttons, knobs and sliders....

> My friend's car has touchscreen controls....

David's "superior powerz of perception" never cease to amaze.

-sw

[Bruce]

On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 17:46:07 -0600, Sqwertz <sqwe...@gmail.invalid>
wrote:

Dave "Pickleball" Smith is a Master Stater of the Obvious. Also, his
posts are always 5 times longer than they need to be and he has too
many friends.

[Geoff Rove]

On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 1:38:28 PM UTC-6, Graham wrote:

We get a choice of cart service billed by the Mega conglomerate or per can stickers and free recycling pickup.
Downside is Mega slow to react for storm pickups versus city garbage model.

[Sqwertz]

On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 15:16:57 -0800 (PST), itsjoan...@webtv.net
wrote:

> On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 1:00:08 PM UTC-6, Sqwertz wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, 1 Jan 2022 18:10:53 -0800 (PST), itsjoan...@webtv.net
>> wrote:
>>
>>>>>I spent the day getting my 2022 wall calendar filled in with doctor
>>>>>and eye doctor appointments and recycle days written in.
>>
>> Exciting stuff. What about street sweeping days? I look at
>> calendars about twice a month. I'll forgot about anything I record
>> on/in a calendar.
>>
> Those lazy street sweepers haven't been by in a year. GRRRRRRRRRRR

They don't even publish the sweeper schedule here like they used to.
But you can tell during/after it comes by by all the lines
zig-zagging around the parked cars

>
> This is a wall calendar that you have to flip over each month to see
> the new month. That's when I see appointments, when to change a/c
> filters, etc.

No "change batteries in the smoke and CO2 detectors"? Mine are
wired into the 120V circuits. You can beat the shit out of them
with a 2x4 and they still don't turn off. I hate em!

>> 36 Gallon brush/composting bin
>> 64 Gallon Trash Can
>> 96 Gallon Recycling bin

> I don't know how they came up with collecting recyclable items once
> a month but it seems to work ok. But most people do have full bins
> when they show up to empty them.

They give us smaller trash cans and bigger recycling bins to
hypntonize us into separating out more recyclables. They tried
downgrading us all to 24 gal trash cans and that didn't work worth a
shit. Now we get 64's for trash by default (and all the 24's they
bought went to waste - or got recycled)

> We don't pay a monthly fee for trash or recycling collection. That fee
> is paid through our property taxes. Metro Nashville owns their own
> trash trucks.

And we don't pay State Income Texas - it's built into our property
taxes. Property taxes are the first thing they leverage when they
need extra money. The State, Counties, and Cities can each leverage
that when needed, just like sales tax.

>
> I haven't heard of anyone paying for a replacement bin. Just last
> month my neighbor across the alley had her trash bin replaced
> as the lid had several holes in it from the squirrels chewing it.

Never heard of squirrels chewing through plastic for anything but
batting. I just caught one yesterday when I walked out the front
door I heard thos rasping/clawing sound. I looked up and saw this
squirrel sqwuaking at me from on top of inner roof. I javelined the
broom at him and broke out the ladder and "locked" him/her out/in
and in about another 48 hours, if he's still up there, he'll gladly
come out for food/water ASAP. And if he's not up there's he's found
some other place to roost. Then I patch it up permanently....
somehow - it's in an awkward position under the soffit of one gable
but on top of of another where they intersect. There's only 0" to 3"
of clearance there. That fucking rat bastard!

I think I may have cut down his tree and nest on Wednesday. I
thought that was an odd-looking birds nest. Fuck 'em.

>> [OTOH, we pay more for the water leaving our houses (wastewater)
>> than we do for the supposedly potable water that enters our homes]
>>
> Same here. That's called a sewer fee here and it is more expensive
> that fresh water delivered through the lines.

We have a separate groundwater/street drainage fee.

>>
>> What do others pay monthly for trash services and at what level?
>>
> I don't have a clue what people pay out of the Metro collection area.
>>
>> All lined up and ready to go tonight:
>>
>> https://i.postimg.cc/mZdrYjpy/Trash-Cans.jpg
>>
> Is your orange can a 64 gallon size and the green one a 32
> gallon size??

I think that's right. I'm not good with colors anymore. It's
whatever I said above, from baby bear to papa bear. The loose can
is my brush can which I rescued (and adopted) from the creek after
the last windstorm (I let the Adirondack chair go by - hate those
damned things).

>> (*) I accidentally set my 96gal recycling bin afire with the 50lb
>> Lazzari lump charcoal when I was smoking some ribs one fateful day -
>> melted it into a lump of plastic with wheels. I was able to put the
>> OLD, melted lump of a recycling bin into the NEW recycling bin for
>> recycling. Heh - If we're paying for recycling, then why should we
>> have to pay for an old can to be recycled into a new can? Right?!
>>
> I don't put my used charcoal into a doubled Walmart bag until the
> next day when I'm positive it's no longer 'live.'

I do not dump coals for at least 72 hours - on average it's about
every 6 weeks. They stay in the pit. Short Story: 40lb bag of
Lazarri lump charcoal comes in a plastic woven mesh-like bag. I
tipped the bag into the charcoal pan to top it off before I took a
nap. Corner of the plastic mesh bag caught a little flame I didn't
notice. Leaned bag up against recycle bin. Went to sleep. Neighbor
put out the fire and knocked on door. Pork butt was fine. 30lbs of
lump charcoal were ruined.

How did I lose the picture of that melted recycle bin? It's at
least in the alt.binaries.food archives, I'm sure. Circa 2006 or
2007.

-sw

[Bruce]

[Bruce]

On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 18:41:05 -0600, Sqwertz <sqwe...@gmail.invalid>
wrote:

Uhm, Ghe Ghe Ghe. This is my frogger. Yes. Ghe Ghe Ghe :)))))))))))

[Bruce]

On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 17:42:40 -0600, Sqwertz <sqwe...@gmail.invalid>
wrote:

[Sqwertz]

The problem with the pay as you go/sticker plan is that the trucks
are coming to your neighborhood anyway and have to cross check to
see if pay or not. Picking shit up doesn't take much more
energy/time and wastes both.

I don't know what 'storm pickups' are - fallen brush? But most
conglomerates don't do that. I can always just drag it to the creek
and wave goodbye to it. But they don't like that.

-sw

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 6:41:12 PM UTC-6, Sqwertz wrote:
>
> On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 15:16:57 -0800 (PST), itsjoan...@webtv.net

> wrote:.

> >>
> > Those lazy street sweepers haven't been by in a year. GRRRRRRRRRRR
> >
> They don't even publish the sweeper schedule here like they used to.
> But you can tell during/after it comes by by all the lines
> zig-zagging around the parked cars
> >

They've never published their schedule here. It used to be weekly, then it
went to bi-weekly, then monthly. Now, it's just when they show up and
yeah, you can tell they've been on some streets by zig-zagging lines.

>
> > This is a wall calendar that you have to flip over each month to see
> > the new month. That's when I see appointments, when to change a/c
> > filters, etc.
> >
> No "change batteries in the smoke and CO2 detectors"? Mine are
> wired into the 120V circuits. You can beat the shit out of them
> with a 2x4 and they still don't turn off. I hate em!
>

About 3 years ago I bought smoke detectors and a carbon monoxide
detector and all have 10-year lithium batteries.

>
> They give us smaller trash cans and bigger recycling bins to
> hypntonize us into separating out more recyclables. They tried
> downgrading us all to 24 gal trash cans and that didn't work worth a
> shit. Now we get 64's for trash by default (and all the 24's they
> bought went to waste - or got recycled)
>

Ours were all the same size, 96 gallons, unless you call and request
a smaller one. But now they don't stock anything smaller than giant ones.

>
> > We don't pay a monthly fee for trash or recycling collection. That fee
> > is paid through our property taxes. Metro Nashville owns their own
> > trash trucks.
> >
> And we don't pay State Income Texas - it's built into our property
> taxes. Property taxes are the first thing they leverage when they
> need extra money. The State, Counties, and Cities can each leverage
> that when needed, just like sales tax.
> >

No state income tax here either. But last year Metro did levy a 34%
tax increase. Thankfully, mine are frozen. (That's been discussed
in a previous thread a few months ago.)

>
> > I haven't heard of anyone paying for a replacement bin. Just last
> > month my neighbor across the alley had her trash bin replaced
> > as the lid had several holes in it from the squirrels chewing it.
> >
> Never heard of squirrels chewing through plastic for anything but
> batting.
>

Oh yes, I see a lot of my neighbor trash can lids with chew marks on
them. If they put out garbage that smells enticing to those tree rats
they'll try to chew through the lid to get whatever has been put out
as garbage.

>
> I think I may have cut down his tree and nest on Wednesday. I
> thought that was an odd-looking birds nest. Fuck 'em.
>

Their nests look like a big ball of leaves.

> >>
> >> All lined up and ready to go tonight:
> >>
> >> https://i.postimg.cc/mZdrYjpy/Trash-Cans.jpg
> >>
> > Is your orange can a 64 gallon size and the green one a 32
> > gallon size??
> >
> I think that's right. I'm not good with colors anymore. It's
> whatever I said above, from baby bear to papa bear. The loose can
> is my brush can which I rescued (and adopted) from the creek after
> the last windstorm (I let the Adirondack chair go by - hate those
> damned things).
>

Ok.

> >>
> >> (*) I accidentally set my 96gal recycling bin afire with the 50lb
> >> Lazzari lump charcoal when I was smoking some ribs one fateful day -
> >> melted it into a lump of plastic with wheels. I was able to put the
> >> OLD, melted lump of a recycling bin into the NEW recycling bin for
> >> recycling. Heh - If we're paying for recycling, then why should we
> >> have to pay for an old can to be recycled into a new can? Right?!
> >>
> > I don't put my used charcoal into a doubled Walmart bag until the
> > next day when I'm positive it's no longer 'live.'
> >
> I do not dump coals for at least 72 hours - on average it's about

> every 6 weeks. Corner of the plastic mesh bag caught a little flame I didn't

> notice. Leaned bag up against recycle bin. Went to sleep. Neighbor
> put out the fire and knocked on door. Pork butt was fine. 30lbs of
> lump charcoal were ruined.
>

> -sw
>
Oh ok. Now I understand how your recycling bin got melted.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 7:35:50 PM UTC-6, Sqwertz wrote:
>
> On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 16:14:26 -0800 (PST), Geoff Rove wrote:
> >
> > We get a choice of cart service billed by the Mega conglomerate or per can stickers and free recycling pickup.
> > Downside is Mega slow to react for storm pickups versus city garbage model.
> >

> I don't know what 'storm pickups' are - fallen brush? But most
> conglomerates don't do that. I can always just drag it to the creek
> and wave goodbye to it. But they don't like that.
>
> -sw
>

I would guess storm pickups is when a storm comes through and topples
trees. When the tornado zipped through my side of town in spring 2019
Metro contracted with several tree trimming companies to haul off the
downed trees. Dump trucks were part of the regular traffic around here
for several weeks.

[Bruce]

On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 16:14:26 -0800 (PST), Geoff Rove

[Bruce]

On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 21:43:03 +0000, Ophelia <Oph...@elsinore.me.uk>
wrote:

[Gary]

dsi1 wrote:
> My friend's car has touchscreen controls. You can control the power flow to the wheels, control the traction schemes, control the active suspension, pick between preset programs for transmission shifting. You can set it up to give metrics on the car's performance and monitor engine status. The reality is that you're going to need a multi-function display with a touch screen if you want to diddle around with all the computer controlled capabilities available to your modern car.

Sounds like a recipe for disaster. Does he ever get time to pay
attention to his driving?

[dsi1]

It could be. I have trouble operating my CD player while driving. That guy seemed to be doing okay though.

[Michael Trew]

On 1/2/2022 14:00, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Sat, 1 Jan 2022 18:10:53 -0800 (PST), itsjoan...@webtv.net
> wrote:
>
>>> On Sat, 1 Jan 2022 17:44:49 -0800 (PST), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
>>> <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I spent the day getting my 2022 wall calendar filled in with doctor
>>>> and eye doctor appointments and recycle days written in.
>
> Exciting stuff. What about street sweeping days? I look at
> calendars about twice a month. I'll forgot about anything I record
> on/in a calendar.
>
>> We get garbage picked up once a week here and we're also provided
>> with a recycling bin. Recyclables are collected once a month on a
>> specific date for my area of the city.
>
> 36 Gallon brush/composting bin
> 64 Gallon Trash Can
> 96 Gallon Recycling bin
>
> All picked up weekly. Plus we can put out extra brush cans, piles of
> recyclables, and recyclable bags of brush and/or leaves every week.
> Twice a year we have large item and large brush pickups (4 total).
>

> Out of curiosity, I compared what we pay $31.45/month for what y0ou
> pay almost the same price:
>
> You only get 4X a year brush collection, recycling only 12X/year, no
> large trash collection (fridges, couches) plus you have pay for
> replacement cans/carts at $50/pop while ours are mostly free (within
> reason(*))
>
> Both for $32/month. Fort Worth for the Win!

Odd, you think that the brush/compost bin would be larger.

Ours for the city are all billed together...

Water: 16.80
Sewer: 15.04
Refuse: 22.90

All three are mandatory charges... sewer seems to be based on water
usage. This is the minimum in city limits that can be charged, and the
water is a flat rate up to 2,000 gallons. I always use under that mark.

The bill SHOULD be $54.74, and that's what it was... until they added a
new BS fee a year or two ago. We are now charged $7 for "STORM WATER
FEE"... they said its some EPA BS, and they had to make a "Storm water
management" team per the EPA, to study where the storm water drains to??
Everyone with a property which has a roof that water hits, has to pay
this stupid fee per month.

Bill total: $61.74 per month. The "refuse" service includes the stupid
massive 96 gallon trash can with weekly pick up, no recycling, and up to
once per month "bulk pick up" with the huge claw truck (up to 15 cubic
yards).

[Michael Trew]

On 1/2/2022 16:32, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> I think we can get large item pickup. But we get appliances hauled
> away by the vendor. Almost anything we've put at the side of the road
> has been taken by someone or other. If we have a large construction
> project, we haul a trailer load to the materials recovery facility and pay
> about $40 for a load to throw it in a giant skip. If we've got any metal,
> there's a separate skip for that.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

I hope they don't charge you for metal disposal, since they make money
on that.

[Cindy Hamilton]

It costs them more to process individual streams, therefore they should
charge for it (by lumping it in with the volume of construction debris that
I have). I'm not going to drive all around town finding places that will pay
for my few pounds of copper, aluminum, and steel. Husband has a box
full of some exotic metal that might be worth finding a buyer, but it sits
in his shop while we have better things to do.

Cindy Hamilton

[Michael Trew]

No need to drive all over town, one scrap yard will take any metal and
pay for it. They might not have the best price, but it doesn't seem
that you mind that, so as long as it's gone. I've done it enough that
I've searched multiple yards for better prices. You easiest bet would
be to just look one up, and drive whatever you have there.

Most yards have a drive-on scale for scrap steel, iron, etc. You
probably don't want to be bothered by that. There is a separate
door/office with a small scale where they weight catalytic converters,
brass, copper, aluminum, and any non-ferrous or otherwise metal of more
value. (websites that advertise yards, such as iscrapapp.com, are almost
guaranteed to pay less than small local yards).

[Bruce]

Uhm, Ghe Ghe Ghe.

[Bruce]

We Dutch have a saying about guys like yous, which is KILL YOURSELF
you loser. no wife no partner no family no friends no job no money and
no hope for the future. Loser. Ghe Ghe Ghe.

[bruce bowser]

Collectors have been sorting trash for years, Cindy. They know best how to do it. I know its weird.

[Bruce]

[Bruce]

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Monday, January 3, 2022 at 1:37:36 PM UTC-5, Michael Trew wrote:
> On 1/3/2022 13:27, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Monday, January 3, 2022 at 1:02:06 PM UTC-5, Michael Trew wrote:
> >> On 1/2/2022 16:32, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >>> I think we can get large item pickup. But we get appliances hauled
> >>> away by the vendor. Almost anything we've put at the side of the road
> >>> has been taken by someone or other. If we have a large construction
> >>> project, we haul a trailer load to the materials recovery facility and pay
> >>> about $40 for a load to throw it in a giant skip. If we've got any metal,
> >>> there's a separate skip for that.
> >>>
> >>> Cindy Hamilton
> >> I hope they don't charge you for metal disposal, since they make money
> >> on that.
> >
> > It costs them more to process individual streams, therefore they should
> > charge for it (by lumping it in with the volume of construction debris that
> > I have). I'm not going to drive all around town finding places that will pay
> > for my few pounds of copper, aluminum, and steel. Husband has a box
> > full of some exotic metal that might be worth finding a buyer, but it sits
> > in his shop while we have better things to do.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
> No need to drive all over town, one scrap yard will take any metal and
> pay for it.

Why should I drive anywhere to sell a few pounds of scrap? It's not
worth my time. I'd put it in the trash can, but I feel it's better to
recycle it.

Cindy Hamilton

[Bruce]

[Bruce 1]

Uhm, Ghe Ghe Ghe. This is my frogger. Yes. Ghe Ghe Ghe :)))))))))))

[Bruce 1]

[Michael Trew]

To each their own. With a few 5 gallon buckets of more valuable metal,
depending on what is in them, could easily bring a couple hundred
dollars. Perhaps that's chump change to some, but that's a few days of
work (pay) for me.

[Bruce 4]

On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 08:14:33 -0800 (PST), dsi1 <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net>
wrote:

[Cindy Hamilton]

How do you get those buckets?

I get metal by doing DIY projects on my own house. There's only so
much metal I can tear out of my house. I suppose I could save it
up for 10 years and make it worth going to the effort of selling it.

I'm not saying you should do anything differently. I'm saying my
circumstances are different. A few days of pay for me is a few
hundred dollars. How much metal should a slightly arthritic
64-year-old woman be willing to move?

Cindy Hamilton

[Bruce 5]

[Ed Pawlowski]

You are just finding excuses when everything you need is available. It
would be a good hobby after you retire.

https://www.brucemetal.com/what-equipment-do-you-need-to-begin-scrap-collecting

Scrap collecting can be a lucrative side-project that carries the added
benefit of helping the environment. But if you have never found,
processed, and recycled scrap metal before, you may not know where to
begin. Scrap collecting is a safe hobby for the prepared, and it doesn't
need to be difficult. With the right equipment, you can improve your
profit margins, save time, and work with metals responsibly.

[Cindy Hamilton]

You're right, Ed. I should abandon my other plans (gardening, yoga,
cooking) and start scrapping.

Cindy Hamilton

[bob]

You will probably stick with cooking. Gardening is iffy .. yoga double iffy.

[Sheldon Martin]

When I was six years old I collected scrap on Saturdays. I used an
old baby carriage to haul the scrap to the junkman, many kids did the
same. Took half a day to get enough pennies to buy candy and ice
cream. Today contractors take their own scrap off their jobs.
Recently I had new aluminum gutters and leaders installed, the
mechanic gave me a slightly lower price if I agreed to let him take
the old gutters and leaders, I thought why not, I'm not six years old
any more. Same when I recently had two new aluminun storm doors
installed. I'd need to pile that junk metal in my yard until I was
ready to make a trip and haul that crap to the junkyard 40 miles away.
Anyone tells me they collect scrap metal from the curb and makes
good money selling it I know they are absolutely lying. They do that
because they are unemployed and at best they make candy and icecream
chump change. They can make a lot more from a real job, if they were
fit to hold a real job, which they obviously are not. Anyone thinks
plumbers and electricians don't take the scrap copper off their jobs
and wait until they have enough to sell thinks we are all living in
LALA land. Any grown man who spends his time driving his pick up from
street to street dumpster diving for bits of scrap is unemployed and
unfit for real employment. Contractors simply don't leave valuable
scrap metal from their jobs. When I was six years old I felt lucky to
find an old radio or TV chasis at the curb, and still I'd have to
strip it down to bare steel before the junkman would take it and give
me a dime. I was six years old, I was too young to know about
fondling 13 year old girls. I can tell yoose up front, anyone has a
13 year old daughter thinks she's a virgin, she gets fucked regularly.

[Bruce]

Mouth full of marbles.

[Geoff Rove]

On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 9:14:04 PM UTC-6, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
> On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 7:35:50 PM UTC-6, Sqwertz wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 16:14:26 -0800 (PST), Geoff Rove wrote:
> > >
> > > We get a choice of cart service billed by the Mega conglomerate or per can stickers and free recycling pickup.
> > > Downside is Mega slow to react for storm pickups versus city garbage model.
> > >
> > I don't know what 'storm pickups' are - fallen brush? But most
> > conglomerates don't do that. I can always just drag it to the creek
> > and wave goodbye to it. But they don't like that.
> >
> > -sw
> >
> I would guess storm pickups is when a storm comes through and topples
> trees. When the tornado zipped through my side of town in spring 2019
> Metro contracted with several tree trimming companies to haul off the
> downed trees. Dump trucks were part of the regular traffic around here
> for several weeks.

Yes, plus with city trucks they can attach snow plow blades. I generate a small bag of trash weekly which I discreetly dispose of at various public cans. No need for a Mega truck to stop and start, wasting fuel. Mega gets free valuable recycling commodities from me . I use stickers for occasional brush pickup.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

The trucks my city uses do have snowplow blades but also huge hoppers to disperse
the salt. Are they the same trucks to pick up brush? No, completely different sized
trucks. This is the type of truck my city uses to collect brush and yard waste.

https://i.postimg.cc/kMxtchgV/Brush-Collection-Truck.jpg

It does not matter whether I have a bag of trash to be picked up weekly or not.
Most all my neighbors have plenty of trash bags to be picked up and alleys for
those trucks to roll down and collect the trash. This is the type of trucks that are
used in the older neighborhoods with alleys.

https://i.postimg.cc/RFYJDjnf/Garbage-truck.jpg

[Michael Trew]

On 1/4/2022 20:10, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 4, 2022 at 6:05:42 PM UTC-6, jgro...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>
>> On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 9:14:04 PM UTC-6, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
>>>
>>> I would guess storm pickups is when a storm comes through and topples
>>> trees. When the tornado zipped through my side of town in spring 2019
>>> Metro contracted with several tree trimming companies to haul off the
>>> downed trees. Dump trucks were part of the regular traffic around here
>>> for several weeks.
>>
>> Yes, plus with city trucks they can attach snow plow blades. I generate a small
>> bag of trash weekly which I discreetly dispose of at various public cans. No need
>> for a Mega truck to stop and start, wasting fuel. Mega gets free valuable recycling
>> commodities from me . I use stickers for occasional brush pickup.
>>
> The trucks my city uses do have snowplow blades but also huge hoppers to disperse
> the salt. Are they the same trucks to pick up brush? No, completely different sized
> trucks. This is the type of truck my city uses to collect brush and yard waste.
>
> https://i.postimg.cc/kMxtchgV/Brush-Collection-Truck.jpg

That looks just like our claw truck, that picks up yard waste, but also
various construction debris, couches, etc.

> It does not matter whether I have a bag of trash to be picked up weekly or not.
> Most all my neighbors have plenty of trash bags to be picked up and alleys for
> those trucks to roll down and collect the trash. This is the type of trucks that are
> used in the older neighborhoods with alleys.
>
> https://i.postimg.cc/RFYJDjnf/Garbage-truck.jpg

Our "city" also has a small and large truck. I'm pretty sure they need
the small truck on my side road, since it's basically one lane. Also
needed in many of the alleys behind businesses downtown. My street is
two directional, but on the off chance someone is coming, someone had
better pull off.

[Michael Trew]

To be honest, I'm a lot of talk at this point. It's probably been over
a year since I regularly collected metal, and close to 6 months since
I've even been to a scrap yard. The key to my running truck has been
missing, and it's too darn cold out to pick up anyway. I would if I
were in a pinch for money, but I'd rather stay home in this weather.

My comment was in reference to just saving odds and ends in the garage
for projects. Probably not worth it if you don't do a lot of projects,
I would reckon.

[Michael Trew]

On 1/4/2022 18:10, Sheldon Martin wrote:
> On Tue, 4 Jan 2022 13:36:12 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> <angelica...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> You're right, Ed. I should abandon my other plans (gardening, yoga,
>> cooking) and start scrapping.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton

> Anyone tells me they collect scrap metal from the curb and makes
> good money selling it I know they are absolutely lying. They do that
> because they are unemployed and at best they make candy and icecream
> chump change. They can make a lot more from a real job, if they were
> fit to hold a real job, which they obviously are not.

Depends on the price of metal. I've made $200+ from a truck load, and
I've also made as little as $50... the latter being NOT worth the effort.

> Anyone thinks
> plumbers and electricians don't take the scrap copper off their jobs
> and wait until they have enough to sell thinks we are all living in
> LALA land.

People in cities put any metal out to the curb that they don't want to
deal with, from pipes, to appliances, to brake rotors... etc...

> Any grown man who spends his time driving his pick up from
> street to street dumpster diving for bits of scrap is unemployed and
> unfit for real employment.

Your stereotype is true in many cases. I picked up the habit from my
ex-girlfriend's father, who was by definition white trash, unemployable,
etc. Missing teeth, tattoos, poorly educated, and so forth. He was
really rough around the edges. When I was regularly scrapping, I stuck
out like a sore thumb at the scrap yard. Many of the men selling metal
there looked like they were jail birds.

I hardly make trips to the scrap yard anymore, because I make enough
money with my various part time jobs to not bother, and the weather is
cold out now. When I saw trips where her father made a couple hundred
dollars, and I was out of work, that was inspiring. She grew up riding
around in the truck with him, picking up metal. She knew all of the
routes, so we'd just drive around the city and load the truck at one
point in time.

Even if I only made $120 in a night, $20 in the gas tank, that was $100
in my pocket for 5 hours of work and good exercise. I might get back to
it when the weather breaks, at least on Sunday evenings. Sunday
evenings were always good pickings, and I also drove through a familiar
neighborhood where I used to live.

[Michael Trew]

On 1/4/2022 18:10, Sheldon Martin wrote:

> On Tue, 4 Jan 2022 13:36:12 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> <angelica...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> You're right, Ed. I should abandon my other plans (gardening, yoga,
>> cooking) and start scrapping.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
> When I was six years old I collected scrap on Saturdays. I used an
> old baby carriage to haul the scrap to the junkman, many kids did the
> same. Took half a day to get enough pennies to buy candy and ice
> cream.

When you were 6, Sheldon, you picked up tiny bits of metal in a wagon
and took it in, as did many kids back then. Hubcaps, etc. You aren't
thinking in bulk. When you haul 1.5 tons of metal in, a truck loaded
down begging for mercy, you make a LOT more money, due to the quantity
of metal that you are hauling. BIG difference between 25 pounds in a
wagon, and 2,500 pounds in a truck bed.

[Cindy Hamilton]

Oh, we have odds and ends for projects. Sheet steel, tubular aluminum,
Unistrut, all kinds of stuff.

But we don't save little cut-offs of copper pipe when we change the
plumbing. That's the kind of stuff I'm talking about taking to the MRF.

Cindy Hamilton

[Bruce 7]

Municipal Recycle Facility?

[Bruce 7]

On Thu, 06 Jan 2022 05:27:21 +1100, Bruce 7 <br...@notreal.invalid>
wrote:

This is not my frogger.

[Bruce 7]

On Wed, 5 Jan 2022 09:39:14 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
<angelica...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Ghe Ghe Ghe

This is my frogger.

[Bruce 7]

[Bruce 7]

[Bruce 8]

[Bruce 9]

Uhm, Ghe Ghe Ghe. This is my frogger. Yes. Ghe Ghe Ghe :)))))))))))

[Bruce 9]

On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 13:06:31 -0700, Bruce 4 <Br...@notreal.invalid>
wrote:

Uhm, Ghe Ghe Ghe. This is my frogger. Yes. Ghe Ghe Ghe :)))))))))))

[jmcquown]

On 1/2/2022 2:00 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
>
> Out of curiosity, I compared what we pay $31.45/month for what y0ou
> pay almost the same price:
>
> You only get 4X a year brush collection, recycling only 12X/year, no
> large trash collection (fridges, couches) plus you have pay for
> replacement cans/carts at $50/pop while ours are mostly free (within
> reason(*))
>
> Both for $32/month. Fort Worth for the Win!
>
> -sw
>
I'm late to the game but I pay quarterly for garbage/household trash
pickup from a local company. There is no "municipal" trash pickup in
Beaufort County. I've been through number of different companies over
the years. Republic Waste, Waste Management. They were all fairly
expensive to begin with, kept raising the rates, and not at all reliable.

A friend told me about a local company based on Saint Helena. Quite
reasonable. It's been the same rate for the last 3 years: $113/quarter,
$37 per month, $8.69 per week, picked up twice each week. They even
pick up on holidays.

The other mega companies sort of showed up whenever they wanted to (same
schedule, Monday & Thursday). On Holidays? Nope. They were supposed
to pick up the day after X-holiday but that never happened. So for,
say, Thanksgiving, they didn't pick up on Thursday or the next day.
Meanwhile you've got more trash building up for them to pick up the
following Monday. Annoying.

With ALL of them, I've supplied my own trash can. It's probably a 64
gallon can; I really don't know.

The current company will pick up miscellaneous stuff like the broken old
string trimmers I found in the garage. Pretty much anything if it's not
too big without charging extra. I haven't had to put furniture by the
street in a very long time. LOL

For recycling, I drive those things to the recycle center. I would have
had to do that with the big conglomerate trash pickup companies, too.

Lawn clippings/branches are disposed of by the man who does my yard
work. This time of year there isn't much of it.

Jill

[Arnie]

This is my frogger.

[Michael Trew]

On 1/5/2022 18:16, jmcquown wrote:
> On 1/2/2022 2:00 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
>>
>> Out of curiosity, I compared what we pay $31.45/month for what y0ou
>> pay almost the same price:
>>
>> You only get 4X a year brush collection, recycling only 12X/year, no
>> large trash collection (fridges, couches) plus you have pay for
>> replacement cans/carts at $50/pop while ours are mostly free (within
>> reason(*))
>>
>> Both for $32/month. Fort Worth for the Win!
>>
>> -sw
>>
> I'm late to the game but I pay quarterly for garbage/household trash
> pickup from a local company. There is no "municipal" trash pickup in
> Beaufort County. I've been through number of different companies over
> the years. Republic Waste, Waste Management. They were all fairly
> expensive to begin with, kept raising the rates, and not at all reliable.
>
> A friend told me about a local company based on Saint Helena. Quite
> reasonable. It's been the same rate for the last 3 years: $113/quarter,
> $37 per month, $8.69 per week, picked up twice each week. They even pick
> up on holidays.
>

> Jill

Yikes, and I complained about city trash service (mandatory) that bills
$22.90 as a line item on my water bill. If the trash service was not
mandatory with the water bill in my area, and the cheapest company
charged $37/month, for the one 13 gallon bag of trash that I put out per
week (which isn't recycle), I would either do as Thomas does in public
trash cans (LOL) or burn that bag each week. Just don't break out the
s'mores for that fire ;)

[Geoff Rove]

Chicago and NYC put plow blades on the traditional compactor garbage trucks. Doubt that Republic or WM would do that even though we as customers pay for the trucks.

[Dave Smith]

Yes. Ghe Ghe Ghe :)))))))))))

--
This is NOT a post by Dave Smith

[Dave Smith]

On Tue, 4 Jan 2022 13:36:12 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton

[Dave Smith]

On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 18:10:58 -0500, Sheldon Martin <penm...@aol.com>
wrote:

[Dave Smith]

[Dave Smith]

On Tue, 4 Jan 2022 15:42:03 -0700, bob <bobs...@sympatico.com> wrote:

>You will probably stick with cooking. Gardening is iffy .. yoga double iffy.

[Dave Smith]

[Dave Smith]

This is NOT my frogger.

[Dave Smith]

Yes. Ghe Ghe Ghe :)))))))))))

[Dave Smith]

On Wed, 5 Jan 2022 18:16:33 -0500, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

Uhm, Ghe Ghe Ghe. This is NOT my frogger. Yes. Ghe Ghe Ghe

[Sheldon Martin]

On Fri, 14 Jan 2022 22:45:24 -0700, Dave Smith
<adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>On Wed, 5 Jan 2022 18:16:33 -0500, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
>wrote:
>
>>On 1/2/2022 2:00 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
>>>
>>> Out of curiosity, I compared what we pay $31.45/month for what y0ou
>>> pay almost the same price:
>>>
>>> You only get 4X a year brush collection, recycling only 12X/year, no
>>> large trash collection (fridges, couches) plus you have pay for
>>> replacement cans/carts at $50/pop while ours are mostly free (within
>>> reason(*))
>>>
>>> Both for $32/month. Fort Worth for the Win!
>>>
>>> -sw
>>>
>>I'm late to the game but I pay quarterly for garbage/household trash
>>pickup from a local company. There is no "municipal" trash pickup in
>>Beaufort County. I've been through number of different companies over
>>the years. Republic Waste, Waste Management. They were all fairly
>>expensive to begin with, kept raising the rates, and not at all reliable.
>>
>>A friend told me about a local company based on Saint Helena. Quite
>>reasonable. It's been the same rate for the last 3 years: $113/quarter,
>>$37 per month, $8.69 per week, picked up twice each week. They even
>>pick up on holidays.

Trash pick up twice a week indicates people there are lazy/slovenly...
they won't collapse cartons or flatten cans. Those people are giving
the trash companies a good excuse to raise prices.
Here trash is picked up once a week and our bins are only half full or
less, and we have their smallest bins... their two larger bins won't
fit in the garage with both cars, only the largest families use those
monster bins. We have more recyclables than trash. And we have lots
of recyclables, many large cartons from mail order that I flatten and
tape, and lots of empty pet food cans, also stomped flat and with the
small cans inside the large cans... only takes a little extra effort
to help keep costs down. Driving around I see many large cartons put
out for pickup that haven't been broken down and flattened... and
since they won't fit in the bin on windy days they sail everywhere.
People don't even bother to remove their name and address. When I
find one I deliver it to the rightful owner.

[Dave Smith]

On Sat, 15 Jan 2022 12:45:39 -0500, Sheldon Martin <penm...@aol.com>
wrote:

This is NOT my frogger.

[Michael Trew]

On 1/15/2022 12:45, Sheldon Martin wrote:
>Driving around I see many large cartons put
> out for pickup that haven't been broken down and flattened... and
> since they won't fit in the bin on windy days they sail everywhere.
> People don't even bother to remove their name and address. When I
> find one I deliver it to the rightful owner.

Are you going Dave Smith now?!

[Dave Smith]

Aren't we all?

[Dave Smith]

This is NOT my frogger.

[Dave Smith]

On Sat, 15 Jan 2022 19:23:53 -0500, Michael Trew
<michae...@att.net> wrote:

[Dave Smith]

Ghe? Can you go into more detail? I don't get it

[Dave Smith]