Dinner on the fly.

[Julie Bove]

I am trying to change my diet some to heal a fatty liver. I know I need to
eat more onions and celery but need to read more about what to eat. I got
some marked down organic grass fed ground beef and a big bag of green beans.
I loosely followed a recipe. The recipe said to either put the beans in
water, bring to a boil and let sit for 5 min. or... *Cue Jill* Steam them! I
opted for the boiling water.

Original recipe uses ground beef, the partially cooked green beans and a
sliced onion. I added two bell peppers that had an accident so needed to be
used soon and a good handful of grape tomatoes. Stir fry all with a little
garlic in sesame oil. I did mostly peanut with a little sesame as I find
sesame to be overwhelming. Add some beef broth or water and beef powder, 1 T
molasses and 3 T. soy sauce. Cornstarch (I used sweet rice flour) to make a
gravy. Some reviewers claimed it needed more seasoning so I added salt,
black pepper and a touch more garlic.

Serve over rice. I made brown. It's good but if I were making it just for
me, I would not use the molasses and soy sauce. I think I would prefer a
plain brown gravy.

[Sqwertz]

On Thu, 23 May 2019 21:27:16 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:

> I am trying to change my diet some to heal a fatty liver. I know I need to
> eat more onions and celery but need to read more about what to eat. I got

> some marked down organic grass fed ground beef....

So this is your newest At Death's Door - fatty liver? <yawn>

The last thing you should be buying is beef, let alone
bacteria-ridden marked down beef. There's a reason it's partially
brown (or about to be).

-sw

[Julie Bove]

"Sqwertz" <sqwe...@gmail.invalid> wrote in message
news:16xlrply...@sqwertz.com...

> On Thu, 23 May 2019 21:27:16 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> I am trying to change my diet some to heal a fatty liver. I know I need
>> to
>> eat more onions and celery but need to read more about what to eat. I got
>> some marked down organic grass fed ground beef....
>
> So this is your newest At Death's Door - fatty liver? <yawn>

I'm not at death's door. And it's not a new condition.

>
> The last thing you should be buying is beef, let alone
> bacteria-ridden marked down beef. There's a reason it's partially
> brown (or about to be).

I wasn't brown and it's not bacteria laden.

[Sqwertz]

Yes. it was. It was bacteria-laden as soon as it was killed. 26
days later it's even more bacteria laden.

That is a fact no matter how much you care to deny it.

-sw

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Friday, May 24, 2019 at 12:27:23 AM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:
> I am trying to change my diet some to heal a fatty liver. I know I need to
> eat more onions and celery but need to read more about what to eat.

What junk science web site did you get this from?

Cindy Hamilton

[graham]

With her supposed IQ, why would she ask for advice here?

[Bruce]

That question tells me your IQ is a lot lower.

[Jinx the Minx]

This may be the worst recipe I’ve ever seen if you want to heal your fatty
liver! No red meat (ground beef), no sugars (molasses), no sodium (soy
sauce, beef broth, plus extra salt), no saturated fat (peanut and sesame
oil) and low calorie (this isn’t it). At least you served it over brown
rice. It’s this recipe’s only liver saving grace. Please get your diet
information from reputable medical sites (not sites that recommend more
onions and celery).

[Sqwertz]

I just stopped reading at the "beef" part. Thank you for having
more patience and being more thorough :-)

ObFood: It's National Escargot Day. I may even have a can in the
pantry...

-sw

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 5/24/2019 12:27 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> I am trying to change my diet some to heal a fatty liver. I know I need
> to eat more onions and celery but need to read more about what to eat. I
> got some marked down organic grass fed ground beef and a big bag of
> green beans. I loosely followed a recipe. The recipe said to either put
> the beans in water, bring to a boil and let sit for 5 min. or... *Cue
> Jill* Steam them! I opted for the boiling water.
>

I'd have either nuked or steamed them. I have a steamer basket that
fits in the pot. They have more flavor that way.

>
> Serve over rice. I made brown. It's good  but if I were making it just
> for me, I would not use the molasses and soy sauce. I think I would
> prefer a plain brown gravy.

I'd leave them in but probably half the amount for just a hint of their
flavor.

[notbob]

On 2019-05-24, Jinx the Minx <jinx...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> information from reputable medical sites (not sites that recommend more
> onions and celery).

HA!

"reputable medical sites"! As if there are any.

Even the Mayo Clinic has failed (I'll relate the story, if you care).

They don't say a medical doctor has a "practice" fer no good reason.

nb ;)

[tert in seattle]

how do you kill ground beef?

[Bruce]

On Fri, 24 May 2019 11:04:22 -0500, Sqwertz <sqwe...@gmail.invalid>
wrote:

>ObFood: It's National Escargot Day. I may even have a can in the
>pantry...

And remember: the bit that says "crunch" is its penis.

[Sqwertz]

> how do you kill ground beef?

It eventually comes back to life. Not as cow, though.

-sw

[Dave Smith]

Is there anyone here who believes she has an IQ in the genius range? I
would have pegged her at average at the very best.

[Bruce]

136 is smart, but not genius.

[Julie Bove]

"graham" <g.st...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:qc8jlc$8vh$1...@dont-email.me...

I didn't!

[Julie Bove]

"Dave Smith" <adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:La1GE.4782$vI3....@fx10.iad...

136 is not considered genius!

[Julie Bove]

"Bruce" <br...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:748hee9bre26fma13...@4ax.com...

Right. And the thought of Dave pegging me just skeeves me out.

[Julie Bove]

"Jinx the Minx" <jinx...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:qc8vpc$ghe$1...@dont-email.me...

I did not eat that for the fatty liver. I ate it to try to use up things
that I had in the house. I am trying to eat more onions and celery. I did
not get the onion and celery thing from a website. Both of those are good
for a fatty liver as are a lot of other fruits of vegetables but some of
those are things I can not or will not eat. Such as asparagus and Brusell
sprouts. No how, no way on those things. The recipe actually was pretty low
calorie though, as I didn't eat very much of it.

[Julie Bove]

"notbob" <not...@nothome.com> wrote in message
news:gkqn8s...@mid.individual.net...

I certainly would not take dietary advice from a Dr. They have very little
training with that.

I am battling a combination of medical problems. So there isn't going to be
one diet that works for me. Best I can do is make tweaks.

[Julie Bove]

"Ed Pawlowski" <e...@snet.xxx> wrote in message
news:uBVFE.3773$S33....@fx14.iad...

> On 5/24/2019 12:27 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> I am trying to change my diet some to heal a fatty liver. I know I need
>> to eat more onions and celery but need to read more about what to eat. I
>> got some marked down organic grass fed ground beef and a big bag of green
>> beans. I loosely followed a recipe. The recipe said to either put the
>> beans in water, bring to a boil and let sit for 5 min. or... *Cue Jill*
>> Steam them! I opted for the boiling water.
>>
> I'd have either nuked or steamed them. I have a steamer basket that fits
> in the pot. They have more flavor that way.

I can't stand the texture of steamed vegetables. If I were to make this dish
again, I would just throw them right in with the meat. I prefer crisp beans.

>
>
>>
>> Serve over rice. I made brown. It's good but if I were making it just for
>> me, I would not use the molasses and soy sauce. I think I would prefer a
>> plain brown gravy.
>
> I'd leave them in but probably half the amount for just a hint of their
> flavor.

Wasn't a flavor profile I really liked.

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 4:09:40 AM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:
> "Ed Pawlowski" <e...@snet.xxx> wrote in message
> news:uBVFE.3773$S33....@fx14.iad...
> > On 5/24/2019 12:27 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> >> I am trying to change my diet some to heal a fatty liver. I know I need
> >> to eat more onions and celery but need to read more about what to eat. I
> >> got some marked down organic grass fed ground beef and a big bag of green
> >> beans. I loosely followed a recipe. The recipe said to either put the
> >> beans in water, bring to a boil and let sit for 5 min. or... *Cue Jill*
> >> Steam them! I opted for the boiling water.
> >>
> > I'd have either nuked or steamed them. I have a steamer basket that fits
> > in the pot. They have more flavor that way.
>
> I can't stand the texture of steamed vegetables. If I were to make this dish
> again, I would just throw them right in with the meat. I prefer crisp beans.

You can steam vegetables as crisp or as soft as you prefer.

Cindy Hamilton

[jmcquown]

Ah, but she didn't ask for advice!

Jill

[jmcquown]

She such a great cook yet she hasn't figured that out yet.

Jill

[jmcquown]

On 5/25/2019 4:04 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "Jinx the Minx" <jinx...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:qc8vpc$ghe$1...@dont-email.me...
>> Julie Bove <juli...@frontier.com> wrote:
>>> I am trying to change my diet some to heal a fatty liver. I know I
>>> need to
>>> eat more onions and celery but need to read more about what to eat. I
>>> got
>>> some marked down organic grass fed ground beef and a big bag of green
>>> beans.

(snipped)

>> This may be the worst recipe I’ve ever seen if you want to heal your
>> fatty
>> liver!  No red meat (ground beef), no sugars (molasses), no sodium (soy
>> sauce, beef broth, plus extra salt), no saturated fat (peanut and sesame
>> oil) and low calorie (this isn’t it). At least you served it over brown
>> rice. It’s this recipe’s only liver saving grace. Please get your diet
>> information from reputable medical sites (not sites that recommend more
>> onions and celery).
>
> I did not eat that for the fatty liver. I ate it to try to use up things
> that I had in the house.

Then why on earth did you start the post by saying "I am trying to
change my diet some to heal a fatty liver."?

You also said, "I added two bell peppers that had an accident"... I
doubt anyone knows what that means.

Jill

[Jinx the Minx]

Sorry, my mistake. You posted first thing that you were trying to change
your diet for fatty liver. Then you said you got some marked down beef and
green beans, which implies you just bought them for this diet, not had them
and we’re trying to use them up. Lastly, despite being “low calorie” by
virtue of not eating a lot, it still wasn’t the healthiest meal for fatty
liver.

[penm...@aol.com]

On Sat, 25 May 2019 09:42:06 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

JB didnt ask for advice directly, but by posting her personal medical
information she's essentially inviting comments, opinions, and
advice... that's the nature of newsgroups... otherwise she should have
kept her personal medical information to email or better kept it to
herself and her doctor. Posting anything to a newsgroup automatically
opens it to public scrutiny with any and all responses it may draw.
That's why most don't post pictures of their cooking, they know that
they wouldn't be able to handle any comments other than "that's
wonderful".

[Dave Smith]

It is here clever little way of asking without actually asking. She has
been nailed too many times for asking for suggestions and then
systematically rejecting every suggestion made by the well meaning
people who got sucked into trying to help her. Now she just presents
the confusing scenario and avoids asking directly.

[jmcquown]

Obviously she was inviting *attention* by mentioning some medical
condition. In a subsequent post she claims it wasn't about her fatty
liver. Yet she went out of her way to mention it. She got the intended
attention seeking result, up to and including *cue Jill* when the recipe
mentioned steaming the green beans.

She shows her ignorance by saying she likes her cooked vegetables still
crisp. Apparently she doesn't know how to take vegetables being cooked
in a pot with a steamer basket off the burner when they're tender-crisp.

As for photos, some people just don't care about taking pictures of
food. I've posted many food pics over the years but really, I'd rather
eat than snap photos of it.

Jill

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 10:29:57 AM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
>
> She shows her ignorance by saying she likes her cooked vegetables still
> crisp. Apparently she doesn't know how to take vegetables being cooked
> in a pot with a steamer basket off the burner when they're tender-crisp.
>

You nailed it. And if she's not sure how crisp or soft the vegetables are
there are these simply wonderful tools called paring knives or forks. They
can be used to pierce the vegetables to test for doneness!

>
> As for photos, some people just don't care about taking pictures of
> food. I've posted many food pics over the years but really, I'd rather
> eat than snap photos of it.
>
> Jill
>

Same here. I know what I'm cooking, how I like it cooked, and how I like it
served. No need to post a picture so everyone can critique the food; we're
not compiling a cookbook or working on a magazine edition to get out on the
stands. However, I do like to look at pictures anyone has shared, I just
don't feel the need to post pictures of MY food.

[penm...@aol.com]

On Sat, 25 May 2019 11:29:50 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>

I don't own a steamer basket. when I want veggies minimally cooked I
stir fry, or I add them to soups/stews at the very end.

>As for photos, some people just don't care about taking pictures of
>food. I've posted many food pics over the years but really, I'd rather
>eat than snap photos of it.
>
>Jill

It only takes a second to snap a pic, I'll usually snap 2-3, then
later or the next day is when I'll edit and choose one to post....
sometimes none are post worthy then I'll delete. I always keep my
camera nearby for the critters and for when the light is right
outside. I mostly take pics of critters, plants, and weather, very
few of food. Most times I forget to snap a food pic and when I
finally remember it's all eaten, then instead of plated pics I'll snap
a half potful. For me the food pics are for initiating a discussion
on methods, everyone will cook the same food differently. And some
will cook an interesting sounding dish but iunfortunately they ruin it
with lousy photography and awful plating (Sir Ukelele). And I really
don't appreciate it whan someone describes their dinner but then posts
an URL with the recipe and the image... that screams out liar because
most everyone with a cell phone has a camera handy... and modern cell
phones have excellent cameras, and these days ordinary digicams are
dirt cheap, no film or processing needed,

[Hank Rogers]

Popeye, I bet yoose snap a pic every time yoose takes a dump.

[dsi1]

I got one of those Asian style steamer basket. It's just wonderful and I'm using it a lot these days.

When I take a picture, it gets uploaded automatically to the cloud when I get in range of a trusted WiFi network. It's simply amazing. Here's one of my latest masterpieces. I didn't make it, I just took a picture of it and ate it. :)

https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared/k1D6-GF8S2eW3O2sCxsAeg.Zz9GfrZIkZrHuemCQ3XETS

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 1:25:12 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>
> It only takes a second to snap a pic, I'll usually snap 2-3, then
> later or the next day is when I'll edit and choose one to post....
> sometimes none are post worthy then I'll delete. I always keep my
> camera nearby for the critters and for when the light is right
> outside.
>

I don't keep my camera nearby nor do I keep the batteries in it when not in
used. Snapping pictures of food or animals is just not on my bucket list.

>
> For me the food pics are for initiating a discussion
> on methods, everyone will cook the same food differently. And some
> will cook an interesting sounding dish but iunfortunately they ruin it
> with lousy photography and awful plating (Sir Ukelele).
>

Although I enjoy looking at others pictures, it's just not something I feel
compelled to do. Whether to share or have my efforts mauled, I'm just not
a camera person.

>
> And I really
> don't appreciate it whan someone describes their dinner but then posts
> an URL with the recipe and the image... that screams out liar because
> most everyone with a cell phone has a camera handy... and modern cell
> phones have excellent cameras, and these days ordinary digicams are
> dirt cheap, no film or processing needed,
>

Yep, I have a cell phone but it stays off for perhaps a few times per month.
My cell phone is for emergencies only and not as an entertainment venue for
anyone. I was just at a site a few minutes ago and to be able to access it,
the turds had to send me code by text. I have to go get my phone, turn it
on, wait for it power up, unlock the screen, and THEN see the code they
sent.

I did say I was not a camera person and I'm not phone, cell or landline,
person either. I just don't get this fascination at looking at everybody's
food; it's like all dogs have to smell each others butts before they're
accepted.

[U.S. Janet B.]

On Sat, 25 May 2019 11:39:51 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
<itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:

snip

>Yep, I have a cell phone but it stays off for perhaps a few times per month.
>My cell phone is for emergencies only and not as an entertainment venue for
>anyone. I was just at a site a few minutes ago and to be able to access it,
>the turds had to send me code by text. I have to go get my phone, turn it
>on, wait for it power up, unlock the screen, and THEN see the code they
>sent.
>

that's a pretty common Internet protocol for capturing forgotten
passwords for the computer.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

It was not forgotten password, I have ALL of them written down with user name,
any 'secret' questions, due dates, etc. This one site ONLY wants to let you
access your information AFTER they've sent you a code to enter at their website.
Doesn't matter if your user name and password is correct, gotta get into their
site with an access code. It's great to be a secure site but then it can be
taken to ridiculous measures, too.

[GM]

Yup, my bank used to confirm password authorization by either email or phone text, now only phone text. Like you, I barely use a phone, but always have computer access, it is annoying to fiddle with turning my phone on...

--
Best
Greg

[Ed Pawlowski]

I've run into that also. They are adding so much security that some web
sites are about unusable. I don't mind clicking "I'm not a robot" but
some of the captcha that you have to type are plain unreadable.

[Hank Rogers]

itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:

Popeye never snaps a pic of the old mexican prostitute, but he
always has advise on how to live your life, and about sex.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

I don't mind the "I'm not a robot" either but like you said, some of those
captcha codes are simply gobbledygook.

[Julie Bove]

"jmcquown" <j_mc...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:qecGE.5717$C24....@fx24.iad...

I don't know what happened to them. Maybe someone knocked them on the floor?
They looked damaged but they weren't damaged when I put them in there.

[Julie Bove]

"Dave Smith" <adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message

news:A8dGE.107235$bW5....@fx47.iad...

> On 2019-05-25 10:24 a.m., jmcquown wrote:
>> On 5/25/2019 4:04 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>
>>> I did not eat that for the fatty liver. I ate it to try to use up things
>>> that I had in the house.
>>
>> Then why on earth did you start the post by saying "I am trying to change
>> my diet some to heal a fatty liver."?
>
>
> It is here clever little way of asking without actually asking. She has
> been nailed too many times for asking for suggestions and then
> systematically rejecting every suggestion made by the well meaning people
> who got sucked into trying to help her. Now she just presents the
> confusing scenario and avoids asking directly.

In no way was I asking for advice or suggestions. I merely said what I made
for dinner.

[Julie Bove]

"Jinx the Minx" <jinx...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:qcblov$ma1$1...@dont-email.me...

But I have a lot of other medical conditions and I do need to eat beef for
one of them. I mentioned the onions and celery for fatty liver. I already
eat a lot of those but am trying to increase those.

[Julie Bove]

"jmcquown" <j_mc...@comcast.net> wrote in message

news:J%bGE.9761$NZ3....@fx22.iad...

I don't like them steamed at all, no matter. A stir fried green bean in no
way tastes like a steamed green bean.

[Gary]

jmcquown wrote:
>
> As for photos, some people just don't care about taking pictures of
> food. I've posted many food pics over the years but really, I'd rather
> eat than snap photos of it.

Sending a photo only invites more trouble here. lol

BTW, Jill...how about that Trump lately, eh? ;)
Him and Nancy(tm) have turned into the Hatfields and the McCoys
feud.

[Gary]

Julie Bove wrote:
>
> But I have a lot of other medical conditions and I do need to eat beef for
> one of them.

What medical condition calls for eating beef specifically?

>I mentioned the onions and celery for fatty liver. I already
> eat a lot of those but am trying to increase those.

Easy enough to do. Buy more and eat them. Sweet potatoes are good
too. If you don't like them, too bad baby. Give up the excessive
wine consumption too. ;)

[Cindy Hamilton]

One of my credit cards has a similar two-factor authentication protocol
every time I log in. It's annoying but reassuring.

Cindy Hamilton

[Cindy Hamilton]

Then why mention the texture, as you originally did, if it's about the
taste?

Cindy Hamilton

[Julie Bove]

"Gary" <g.ma...@att.net> wrote in message news:5CEA6E12...@att.net...

> Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> But I have a lot of other medical conditions and I do need to eat beef
>> for
>> one of them.
>
> What medical condition calls for eating beef specifically?

Anemia.

>
>>I mentioned the onions and celery for fatty liver. I already
>> eat a lot of those but am trying to increase those.
>
> Easy enough to do. Buy more and eat them. Sweet potatoes are good
> too. If you don't like them, too bad baby. Give up the excessive
> wine consumption too. ;)

Do not like sweet potatoes. I can manage a bite or two but no more. Haven't
had any wine since the 1970's. Don't drink liquor a all.

[Bruce]

Gary can relate to that. He has his cheeseburgers with a glass of
milk.

[Gary]

Water actually there, pussy-whipped boy.

Maybe if Julie *started* drinking, she might turn normal and eat
regular food on a constant basis. She is the hypochondriac
supreme princess here.

She and John K. really need to connect, imo. Between the two,
there might just be a balance there.

[Cindy Hamilton]

Careful. She thinks "princess" is a compliment. And "spoiled".

Cindy Hamilton

[Gary]

Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "Gary" <g.ma...@att.net> wrote in message news:5CEA6E12...@att.net...
> > Julie Bove wrote:
> >>
> >> But I have a lot of other medical conditions and I do need to eat beef
> >> for
> >> one of them.
> >
> > What medical condition calls for eating beef specifically?
>
> Anemia.

Spinach and liver is high in iron, J. :)
Don't like those either, do you?

[Dave Smith]

On 2019-05-26 6:44 a.m., Gary wrote:
> Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> But I have a lot of other medical conditions and I do need to eat beef for
>> one of them.
>
> What medical condition calls for eating beef specifically?

The Bovine diet.
>

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 5/26/2019 7:25 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "Gary" <g.ma...@att.net> wrote in message

>>

>> Easy enough to do. Buy more and eat them. Sweet potatoes are good
>> too. If you don't like them, too bad baby. Give up the excessive
>> wine consumption too.  ;)
>
> Do not like sweet potatoes. I can manage a bite or two but no more.
> Haven't had any wine since the 1970's. Don't drink liquor a all.

Depends on how you cook them Boiled and mashed, no, I dislike them.
Sliced about 3/8" thick, coat with olive oil, roast, flipping once,
until the surface is caramelized. Yummy. Butternut squash too.

[Jinx the Minx]

When one is already anemic, eating iron rich sources of food doesn’t really
help all that much.

[Dave Smith]

On 2019-05-26 9:28 a.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 5/26/2019 7:25 AM, Julie Bove wrote:

>> Do not like sweet potatoes. I can manage a bite or two but no more.
>> Haven't had any wine since the 1970's. Don't drink liquor a all.

Of course she doesn't like them. They are not on that very short list of
likes.

>
> Depends on how you cook them   Boiled and mashed, no, I dislike them.
> Sliced about 3/8" thick, coat with olive oil, roast, flipping once,
> until the surface is caramelized.  Yummy. Butternut squash too.

I have grilled them on the BBQ and they were quite tasty. Sweet potato
fries can be very tasty. It seems to be a bit of a trick to get them
crispy, and they can use a nice spicy dip.

Butternut squash is delicious when roasted. Give it some salt, pepper,
brown sugar, cinnamon and curry powder.

[Julie Bove]

"Gary" <g.ma...@att.net> wrote in message news:5CEA7FAE...@att.net...

I havwe a fatty liver. Do you want me to die sooner? I am not a
hypochondriac. I could prove all of my medical conditions here but I'm not
on trial.

>
> She and John K. really need to connect, imo. Between the two,
> there might just be a balance there.

No thanks.

[Julie Bove]

"Gary" <g.ma...@att.net> wrote in message news:5CEA8106...@att.net...

I love spinach but the iron from it isn't very bio available. Plus I can't
digest it well. I don't think liver is healthy for anyone.

[Julie Bove]

"Jinx the Minx" <jinx...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:qce94u$ck1$1...@dont-email.me...

What does help then? I have anemia caused by ITP.

[JBurns]

On Sat, 25 May 2019 01:09:30 -0700, "Julie Bove"
<juli...@frontier.com> wrote:

>
<snip>

>
>I can't stand the texture of steamed vegetables. If I were to make this dish
>again, I would just throw them right in with the meat. I prefer crisp beans.

Whatever do you mean? Steaming does not impart a texture. Each
vegetable has its own texture. Steaming can achieve all that boiling
water does without the water uptake.

Steam until hot but crunchy, as in sugar snaps, asparagus or beans if
you like them like that. At the other end of the scale, steam until
soft for mashing, like whole potatoes.

Texture depends on the vegetable and the degree of doneness.

JB

<snip>

[Jinx the Minx]

You can get heme iron by prescription from your doctor. It works better
than non-heme iron that is available in pharmacies, and it also doesn’t
cause the same GI issues that non-heme is known for. There are also forms
of iron that absorb better than the regular cheap ferrous sulfate. Ferrous
succinate, ferrous gluconate and ferrous fumarate are all better choices.
It also helps if you take your iron on an empty stomach but with a glass of
orange juice. The vitamin C helps your body absorb it better. There is one
OTC that has C blended in, Vitron C. If these don’t help, you may need IV
iron, but that would be for a hematologist to determine. They generally
only prescribe iron by IV when your hemoglobin starts to drop from low
iron, but with some chronic disease caused anemia they’ll do it sooner when
your iron levels keep trending downward even with supplementation. Are you
B12 deficient? If it hasn’t been checked, it really ought to be because it
also causes anemia.

[Jinx the Minx]

All things considered, I’d choose to eat for the fatty liver over the
anemia. Diet is the only way to reverse FL, whereas there are many options
for treating anemia, all of which work better than diet alone. I don’t
think diet is a very effective treatment for anemia, especially severe
anemia, anemia from B12 deficiency, or anemia of chronic disease. It might
be just fine for younger women that get slightly “anemic” 1 week per month,
but that’s about it. I am chronically anemic myself and I wouldn’t eat
liver, either. Blech.

[jmcquown]

She's just making up excuses at this point. She's got no support for
her reasons for not steaming vegetables as opposed to par-boiling them
prior to stir-frying them, so she blathers.

Jill

[Julie Bove]

"JBurns" <jpb...@westnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:jcnnee9j7i9ss3hbo...@4ax.com...

I just don't like steamed vegetables at all, no matter what is done to them.
They don't appeal. I like raw vegetables or roasted. If it's hot outside, I
will do green beans in a pan on the stove with a touch of olive oil. No
water. Not overly fond of cooked sugar snaps and won't touch asparagus.

[Julie Bove]

"Jinx the Minx" <jinx...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:qcgqcj$pd2$3...@dont-email.me...

I have ITP and also a hormonal imbalance that is causing bleeding. At least
the terrible nose bleeds have stopped. My hematologist only wants me to take
iron every other day. That's obviously not enough as I was already taking it
daily when she said that and I was still anemic.

That being said, I don't trust a thing she says. She went into a tizzy over
what she thought was a lump under my arm. No lump. Just a normal lymph node.

I've had to change my insurance and I had to switch to some new Drs.

As for the diet for fatty liver, my dietician was no help there. I am on my
own. I just see so much conflicting information. I just know that in the
past, I would get anemic if I didn't eat red meat once or twice a week. I
would prefer to eat no meat whatever but that doesn't work for me either.

[Julie Bove]

"jmcquown" <j_mc...@comcast.net> wrote in message

news:yO_GE.109164$y65....@fx39.iad...

I have had steamed vegetables a few times in restaurants. I did not like
them, especially the potatoes. I don't normally par-boil anything. I did try
it for that one recipe and did not like the end result. Seemed like it took
all the flavor out of them. I don't care for stir fried stuff either but I
will eat it once in a while, perhaps to remind myself why I don't like it.

[Jinx the Minx]

I hope this hematologist was the old one and not the new one. I’d ask
about getting a prescription for heme iron, if the reason she dropped you
to every other day was due to the side effects iron is known for. I used to
have a wonderful hematologist, but he retired and the rookie I was
re-assigned to isn’t very good so I get it.

[Julie Bove]

"Jinx the Minx" <jinx...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:qci8tt$2vu$1...@dont-email.me...

This is the new one. She didn't drop me. She didn't bother to see what
supplements I was already taking. She also told me to stop exercising
because it won't make me lose weight. I don't have any side effects from
iron.

I had a wonderful one too. He retired. Got another one who was pretty
useless. No follow-up on my labs until my follow-up appointment. Then he
noticed that they failed to test for 5 different things. I could not see him
again due to my new insurance and I was glad because I did not like him. I
like this new one even less. She's very young and is far more focused on how
I feel emotionally than anything else. Grrr... I can handle my emotions. I
need the Dr. to find out what's wrong with me medically. Not to wrongly
diagnose me with things out of her scope and then try to soothe me!

[Gary]

Julie Bove wrote:
> She also told me to stop exercising
> because it won't make me lose weight.

That's not a good doctor, Julie. Everyone should do a certain
amount of exercise. True that exercise alone won't lose you
weight...you can run a mile or so and replace the calories burned
with just an apple. Exercise combined with strict diet is the way
to lose weight and "fatty liver" is due to being overweight.

Since you are not able to exercise or move around much anyway,
you need to really cut the calories.

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Tuesday, May 28, 2019 at 9:07:03 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> Julie Bove wrote:
> > She also told me to stop exercising
> > because it won't make me lose weight.
>
> That's not a good doctor, Julie. Everyone should do a certain
> amount of exercise. True that exercise alone won't lose you
> weight...you can run a mile or so and replace the calories burned
> with just an apple. Exercise combined with strict diet is the way
> to lose weight and "fatty liver" is due to being overweight.

"Strict diet" is the way to regain the weight after losing. Much
better to run a slight deficit, learn to eat more healthfully,
and keep the weight off afterward.

Cindy Hamilton

[Gary]

Strict is only to lose it fast. Moderate for a lifestyle to
maintain. Eat according to your activity level.

[Cindy Hamilton]

How much weight have you lost by strict dieting?

Cindy Hamilton

[Gary]

Cindy Hamilton wrote:

>
> Gary wrote:
> > Strict is only to lose it fast. Moderate for a lifestyle to
> > maintain. Eat according to your activity level.
>
> How much weight have you lost by strict dieting?

Combined with serious walking and running, years ago I lost 30lbs
in about 65 days. It was a dedicated effort, that's for sure. I
was eating no more than 1000-1500 calories per day and burning
quite a bit more with lots of aerobic exercise.

The first pounds drop off fairly quickly but as you near your
weight goal, it slows down significantly. That's when you really
need the extra willpower to keep going. It's not easy but it does
work.

[U.S. Janet B.]

On Mon, 27 May 2019 18:19:49 -0700, "Julie Bove"
<juli...@frontier.com> wrote:


I just know that in the
>past, I would get anemic if I didn't eat red meat once or twice a week. I
>would prefer to eat no meat whatever but that doesn't work for me either.

have you been checked for pernicious anemia?

[jmcquown]

On 5/28/2019 9:07 AM, Gary wrote:
> Julie Bove wrote:
>> She also told me to stop exercising
>> because it won't make me lose weight.
>
> That's not a good doctor, Julie. Everyone should do a certain
> amount of exercise.

I doubt any legitimate doctor told her to stop exercising.

Jill

[Bruce]

And how quickly did the weight come back when you started living
normally again?

[Julie Bove]

"Gary" <g.ma...@att.net> wrote in message news:5CED327D...@att.net...

I did not listen to her. I do exercise. I can't run. I can barely walk. I do
dance. Not like I used to, but I do what I can. I also use weights.

I don't take in a lot of calories.

When my thyroid was out of whack, I could gain or lose without doing a
thing. Prior to that, the only way I lost was to take in no more than 1,000
calories a day and exercise to the point of exhaustion/injury. It just was
not worth it. Yes, I lost weight but I was constantly hungry and miserable.
I would have to go to bed and try to sleep so I wouldn't notice the hunger
pains. That's no way to live.

Now I am rarely ever hungry and overall, food just doesn't appeal. I still
like to cook. I don't like to eat.

[Julie Bove]

"Gary" <g.ma...@att.net> wrote in message news:5CED41C9...@att.net...

If you didn't keep it off, it was moot.

I lost 30 pounds too. I managed to keep it off for a year but I grew tired
of being hungry all the time and eating mostly salad. Amazing how fast the
weight flies back on!

[Julie Bove]

"U.S. Janet B." <J...@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:q6hqeelcrdeg1shci...@4ax.com...

Yrs. I don't have that. My anemia relates to my ITP.

[Julie Bove]

"jmcquown" <j_mc...@comcast.net> wrote in message

news:cbdHE.145673$j65.1...@fx44.iad...

Then you'd be wrong. This was my hematologist. The reason she gave was that
exercise will not make you lose weight. I skimmed right over that and said
that I was getting older and wanted to maintain muscle mass. This Dr. also
claimed that I had a lump in my armpit but added that it might just be a
muscle or tendon. I told her it may well be because I exercise a lot. That's
when she told me not to do it.

She's young and seems to care more about emotional things than anything
else. She was upset that I was not upset over the lump. I wasn't upset
because there was no lump! I have no clue what she thought she felt but I
can tell you that it was a big waste of a lot of people's time to do the
emergency mammogram and ultrasound.

My Endo told me to stop some years back as it was raising my blood sugar and
I never got the drop that is supposed to happen. It just kept going up. For
whatever reason, that is no longer happening. I am not a person who likes to
sit around all day. Just makes it hard being disabled. I have to be careful
what I do and pace myself.

[Ophelia]

"Julie Bove" wrote in message news:qclftd$u6s$1...@dont-email.me...

==

Since I got older, I am like that too! I love to cook and fortunately
for me, D. loves my cooking, but I eat very little:)

[dsi1]

On Thursday, May 23, 2019 at 6:27:23 PM UTC-10, Julie Bove wrote:
> I am trying to change my diet some to heal a fatty liver. I know I need to
> eat more onions and celery but need to read more about what to eat. I got
> some marked down organic grass fed ground beef and a big bag of green beans.
> I loosely followed a recipe. The recipe said to either put the beans in
> water, bring to a boil and let sit for 5 min. or... *Cue Jill* Steam them! I
> opted for the boiling water.
>
> Original recipe uses ground beef, the partially cooked green beans and a
> sliced onion. I added two bell peppers that had an accident so needed to be
> used soon and a good handful of grape tomatoes. Stir fry all with a little
> garlic in sesame oil. I did mostly peanut with a little sesame as I find
> sesame to be overwhelming. Add some beef broth or water and beef powder, 1 T
> molasses and 3 T. soy sauce. Cornstarch (I used sweet rice flour) to make a
> gravy. Some reviewers claimed it needed more seasoning so I added salt,
> black pepper and a touch more garlic.
>
> Serve over rice. I made brown. It's good but if I were making it just for
> me, I would not use the molasses and soy sauce. I think I would prefer a
> plain brown gravy.

I bought a teriyaki burger from Jack-in-the-Box for $1.99, then I took it home and put some kim chee on it. It was tasty but maybe not tasty enough. Maybe I should have put Spam and kim chee in it. OTOH Spam might be made from fatty liver. :)

http://tastyislandhawaii.com/2014/08/12/jack-in-the-box-new-spam-teri-jr-jack/

[Julie Bove]

"dsi1" <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote in message
news:68f6508d-5ddb-4aa2...@googlegroups.com...

Hehehe.

[Gary]

Never. Strick diet changes your habits. I do gain about 10lbs
each winter though due to inactivity but easy enough to lose just
by being more active during the warm months. :)

[Gary]

Julie Bove wrote:
>
> I lost 30 pounds too. I managed to keep it off for a year but I grew tired
> of being hungry all the time and eating mostly salad. Amazing how fast the
> weight flies back on!

But only if you eat more calories than you burn. The point of a
strict, lose weight fast diet, is to change your habits.
Everyone's metabolism slows down after age 40 or so. Need to burn
more and/or eat less. You didn't do that.

[Ophelia]

"dsi1" wrote in message
news:68f6508d-5ddb-4aa2...@googlegroups.com...

===

What is a teriyaki burger? Is it just because it has spam?

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Wednesday, May 29, 2019 at 10:55:01 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> Bruce wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, 28 May 2019 10:12:25 -0400, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:
> >
> > >Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Gary wrote:
> > >> > Strict is only to lose it fast. Moderate for a lifestyle to
> > >> > maintain. Eat according to your activity level.
> > >>
> > >> How much weight have you lost by strict dieting?
> > >
> > >Combined with serious walking and running, years ago I lost 30lbs
> > >in about 65 days. It was a dedicated effort, that's for sure. I
> > >was eating no more than 1000-1500 calories per day and burning
> > >quite a bit more with lots of aerobic exercise.
> > >
> > >The first pounds drop off fairly quickly but as you near your
> > >weight goal, it slows down significantly. That's when you really
> > >need the extra willpower to keep going. It's not easy but it does
> > >work.
> >
> > And how quickly did the weight come back when you started living
> > normally again?
>
> Never. Strick diet changes your habits.

Maybe your habits. Many people who adopt strict
diets for quick weight loss go back to their old habits
afterward.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yo-yo_effect>

Cindy Hamilton

[Jinx the Minx]

If you go on a strict diet, and it “changes your habits”, then have you
really gone off your diet at all? I’d much rather learn to eat healthfully
to keep weight stable and/or lose than be on a “permanent” strict diet.
I’ve kept all my lost weight off for 12 continuous years, and I don’t
“diet” to keep it off.

[Bruce]

I think it's a matter of terminology. You didn't so much diet, but
changed your lifestyle. If you'd been dieting the weight would have
come back the moment you stopped.

[Cindy Hamilton]

If you're running, say, a 1000 calorie/day deficit to lose weight quickly
when you're done you've got to adjust back up to some sort of maintenance
plan. That certainly is "going off your diet", and that's where a lot
of dieters fail. They know how to eat badly and they know how to starve
themselves, but nowhere in there do they learn to eat sensibly.

You and Gary both have succeeded. If everybody succeeded, the term
"yo-yo dieting" wouldn't exist.

> I’d much rather learn to eat healthfully
> to keep weight stable and/or lose than be on a “permanent” strict diet.
> I’ve kept all my lost weight off for 12 continuous years, and I don’t
> “diet” to keep it off.

So would I. I'd rather diet at a 100 calorie/day deficit, by cutting
way back on carbs (and swapping in brown ones for white ones). Then
the difference between dieting and not dieting is about one slice of bread.
Instead of dieting, you're just eating differently.

Cindy Hamilton

[Julie Bove]

"Ophelia" <OphEl...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:gl7ljb...@mid.individual.net...

A hamburger with Teriyaki sauce and usually a pineapple ring.

[Julie Bove]

"Gary" <g.ma...@att.net> wrote in message news:5CEE9E3B...@att.net...

Mine didn't. I was in my 20's when I went on the diet. I have been pretty
much the same weight now since my 30's. I'm 59 now. My thyroid, pregnancy
and breast feeding did change things temporarily. Now I'm back to that same
weight.

[Ophelia]

"Julie Bove" wrote in message news:qcmm64$rs$1...@dont-email.me...

===

Thanks:) That sounds better:))

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 5/29/2019 3:26 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "Gary" <g.ma...@att.net> wrote in message

>> But only if you eat more calories than you burn. The point of a
>> strict, lose weight fast diet, is to change your habits.
>> Everyone's metabolism slows down after age 40 or so. Need to burn
>> more and/or eat less. You didn't do that.
>
> Mine didn't. I was in my 20's when I went on the diet. I have been
> pretty much the same weight now since my 30's. I'm 59 now. My thyroid,
> pregnancy and breast feeding did change things temporarily. Now I'm back
> to that same weight.

My metabolism slowed but I'm still the same shoe size as the day I got
married 53 years ago. Same sock size too!

[Jinx the Minx]

Exactly! I yo-yo dieted for years and years, then I finally learned how to
eat, not how to diet. It’s made all the difference.

[Julie Bove]

"Ed Pawlowski" <e...@snet.xxx> wrote in message
news:evBHE.19977$Hw3....@fx26.iad...

I used to wear 7.5 or 8 M. Very common size. Something happened when I got
pregnant. Now I wear 9W. My feet aren't actually wide. I have a high instep
and for whatever reason, it got higher. I do have problems with socks. I
didn't before. Now they can be too tight around my feet and ankles. I have
slender legs but they do swell. I think that's the problem.

[Julie Bove]

"Jinx the Minx" <jinx...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:qcmth0$a91$1...@dont-email.me...

I never did the yo-yo thing.

[dsi1]

On Wednesday, May 29, 2019 at 5:08:31 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>
> ===
>
> What is a teriyaki burger? Is it just because it has spam?

The teriyaki burger that I had was just a regular, cheap, fast-food, burger sandwich with teriyaki sauce and mayo. This simple modification, made for quite a tasty, cheap, burger.

Teriyaki sandwiches are popular on this rock. You can order a teri-burger or a teri-beef sandwich. A teri-beef sandwich has slices of beef marinated in teriyaki sauce. I'll eat one occasionally if I want to feel connected to the past.

https://mmm-yoso.typepad.com/mmmyoso/2013/06/comfort-food-teri-beef-sandwiches.html