Chicken cooked in milk

[graham]

There was an article in the NYT the other day lauding Jamie Oliver's
recipe for cooking chicken in milk:

http://tiny.cc/2izpky

Has anyone here tried it?
Graham

[Cheri]

"graham" <gst...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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No, but it looks good.

Cheri

[dsi1]

The Jews found the idea of boiling meat in what could be the milk of the mother to be revolting and have strict rules keeping meat and dairy apart. This brings up the question if they have any rules against birds, which do not produce milk, being cooked in milk. I don't find the concept to be very appealing - unless it's coconut milk, in which case, I'm in! :)

[Ophelia]

"Cheri" wrote in message news:odirn...@news7.newsguy.com...

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For me too, until it got to the cinnamon:(



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[Roy]

My mother used to cook chicken in milk. Different than Oliver's recipe as
there was no cinnamon or nutmeg but went towards the traditional sage
flavour. I don't have her recipe but man that chicken was good.

Here is an URL for Jamie Oliver's recipe.

http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/jamie-oliver/chicken-in-milk-recipe/

Might try it some day or give it to a friend to do it for me.
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[Doris Night]

Yes! I bookmarked the recipe when I saw it, and bought a fresh chicken
and fresh sage on Saturday morning so I could make it.

I followed the recipe exactly as written - even the cinnamon, which I
kinda wondered about, but it didn't add an unpleasant flavour.

It was delicious! The curdled milk "sauce" sounded like it would be
weird, but it wasn't. It had a really lovely mild lemony taste. The
chicken itself was falling apart when I took it out of the cast iron
casserole, and it was very tender and juicy.

All in all, I was quite pleased. Having said that, I'm not sure I'd
make it again because the extra ingredients (milk, sage, lemons) add
about $3-4 to the cost of a basic roast chicken.

I'd love to hear if anyone else tried it.

Doris

[Bruce]

On Sun, 23 Apr 2017 19:40:19 +0100, "Ophelia" <OphEl...@gmail.com>
wrote:

:)

[Cheri]

"Ophelia" <OphEl...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:em4aon...@mid.individual.net...

I wouldn't use cinnamon in it.

Cheri

[Travis McGee]

There seems to be a bias against cinnamon in this newsgroup. Why is
this? I like the stuff, but my GF also hates it.

[Ophelia]

"Travis McGee" wrote in message news:KngLA.34942$Tn5....@fx12.iad...

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I haven't seen many people say they don't like it, so I don't think you can
call it a 'bias'!



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[Ophelia]

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Oh! I always feel l am the only here that dislikes cinnamon:) Some people
seem love it and to use it a lot:))

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[graham]

For me it's the overuse of it. I always halve the quantity specified in
a recipe, especially N.American ones. For me it comes from the stench of
those cinnamon bun outlets in shopping malls.

[penm...@aol.com]

On Mon, 24 Apr 2017 07:45:10 +0100, "Ophelia" <OphEl...@gmail.com>
wrote:

I use cinnamon on many foods, just not on poultry, beef, pork,
seafood, or eggs... good on egg noodle kugels but not on pasta dishes.
I use a lot of cinnamon in baked goods, cereal, and fruit, especially
compote. I even use cinnamon toothpaste because I abhor mint.
http://www.tomsofmaine.com/product-details/whole-care-toothpaste

[U.S. Janet B.]

On Mon, 24 Apr 2017 07:21:30 -0600, graham <gst...@shaw.ca> wrote:
snip

>
>For me it's the overuse of it. I always halve the quantity specified in
>a recipe, especially N.American ones. For me it comes from the stench of
>those cinnamon bun outlets in shopping malls.

I don't mind a little bit like you would see in old recipes. But
these days it is everywhere. I saw a Giada episode where she said she
loved cinnamon and she put two teaspoons of it in a recipe where I
would use a half teaspoon.
Janet US

[graham]

I occasionally make a pear/apple galette with a maple syrup glaze that
calls for a tsp of cinnamon. I use 1/2tsp and it compliments the maple
nicely.
Graham

[Cheri]

"Ophelia" <OphEl...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:em5o4u...@mid.individual.net...

I don't dislike cinnamon, I like it a lot and use it often, but I don't
think I will put it in that recipe.

Cheri

[Cheri]

"Travis McGee" <nob...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:KngLA.34942$Tn5....@fx12.iad...

I like cinnamon a lot, I just don't care for the sound of it in that recipe.
If some recipes call for spices that I might not want to use there, I don't.

Cheri

[lucreti...@fl.it]

On Mon, 24 Apr 2017 15:18:53 -0700, "Cheri" <che...@newsguy.com>
wrote:

I feel any recipe that calls for something I don't like, it can be
left out if clearly not a strategic ingredient. I like raw celery,
hate cooked celery and omit it, suits me. Same thing with squash.

[dsi1]

I like cinnamon. My guess is that the availability of cheap cinnamon in large quantities and the advent of Cinnabon rolls with an extreme amount of cinnamon has changed the way the younger generation views the spice. I think the same thing is happened to vanilla.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hA2Ngooidg

[Ed Pawlowski]

"I really like cinnamon, but that sounds like overuse and too strong is
no good. One thing I learned over the years, no matter how much you
like a particular flavor, spice, or herb, too much is worse than too
little. You can really ruin a good dish like that.

[Cheri]

<lucreti...@fl.it> wrote in message
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> I feel any recipe that calls for something I don't like, it can be
> left out if clearly not a strategic ingredient. I like raw celery,
> hate cooked celery and omit it, suits me. Same thing with squash.

Sure, that's cooking smart IMO. :)

Cheri

[Bruce]

On Mon, 24 Apr 2017 21:27:14 -0700, "Cheri" <che...@newsguy.com>
wrote:

"Don't put stuff you don't like in your food." I learn a lot in rfc.

[Ophelia]

"Cheri" wrote in message news:odltk...@news3.newsguy.com...

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Oh yes. I leave stuff out of recipes that we don't like:))


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[Ophelia]

"dsi1" wrote in message
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Whatever floats your boat <g>



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[Cindy Hamilton]

There's nothing new under the sun:

<http://www.bbc.co.uk/food/recipes/medieval_chicken_with_04370>

Of course, medieval recipes rarely gave quantities, so it's
a guess how much they actually used.

Cindy Hamilton

[lucreti...@fl.it]

On Tue, 25 Apr 2017 15:21:08 +1000, Bruce <Br...@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

Obviously some ingredients are strategic but if not, adapt!

[Janet]

Made it for lunch today. The meat was very tender, the sauce not
particularly interesting. Won't bother again.

I much prefer another chicken and lemons recipe I make, similar to
this

https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/2411639/lemon-and-oregano-chicken-
traybake

but I use a lot more lemons (one for each person, quartered).

Janet UK

[Ed Pawlowski]

But you can be missing out on a good treat.

I don't like anchovies but I will use them as an ingredient if a dish
calls for it. Alone (or on pizza) I don't like them but they do add
flavor and a salty tang to sauces and you don't get a fishy flavor.

[notbob]

On 2017-04-25, Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.net> wrote:

> Alone (or on pizza) I don't like them but they do add flavor and a
> salty tang to sauces and you don't get a fishy flavor.

I like 'em all ways, but they don't like me.

Ed, try and find some "salt packed" anchovies. Un-intuitively, they
are waaaaaay less salty. Rinse the hard pack-salt off under tap and
they can be eaten plain ....or preferably with a beer.

BEWARE: anchovies like this are quite addicting. I usta eat a doz
every night. They are also the hightest in purines --which unlike the
silliness that is gluten-- are the evil that is GOUT! ....which is
why I'm still on allupuinol fer gout. ;)

nb

[dsi1]

On Monday, April 24, 2017 at 11:45:54 PM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1" wrote in message

>
> I like cinnamon. My guess is that the availability of cheap cinnamon in
> large quantities and the advent of Cinnabon rolls with an extreme amount of
> cinnamon has changed the way the younger generation views the spice. I think
> the same thing is happened to vanilla.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hA2Ngooidg
>
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>
> Whatever floats your boat <g>
>
>
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Those kids love the cinnamon!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVjJ8rqFA_8

[dsi1]

On Tuesday, April 25, 2017 at 12:30:36 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> There's nothing new under the sun:
>
> <http://www.bbc.co.uk/food/recipes/medieval_chicken_with_04370>
>
> Of course, medieval recipes rarely gave quantities, so it's
> a guess how much they actually used.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

Intense flavors are trending. Cinnamon chicken, probably not. Also probably not trending is pig's blood on rice. That's what my son had the other day. That guy will eat anything.

http://www.kawalingpinoy.com/dinuguan/

[Roy]

On Tuesday, April 25, 2017 at 9:04:21 AM UTC-6, Janet wrote:
> Made it for lunch today. The meat was very tender, the sauce not
> particularly interesting. Won't bother again.
>
> I much prefer another chicken and lemons recipe I make, similar to
> this
>
>
>

> but I use a lot more lemons (one for each person, quartered).
>
> Janet UK

What is bacon lardon?

Your quoted URL should read:

https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/2411639/lemon-and-oregano-chicken-traybake

[Ophelia]

"dsi1" wrote in message
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LOL

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[Wayne Boatwright]

On Tue 25 Apr 2017 02:45:47a, Ophelia told us...

Most commercial baked goods use a cheaper grade of cinnamon or use
something synthetically derived. Regardless of the amount used, the
taste is harsh and often bitter. The major sources for really good
cinnamon are Ceylon, China (Tung Hing), Indonesia (Korintje), and
Vietnam. Each of these cinnamons has a unique flavor profile. All
are good, but your preference for each may be guided by what your
cooking/baking.

Having said that, when I pass a Cinnabon kiosk I find the cinamon
overpowring and nauseatng. Too much of a good thing is definitely
not a goo thing. When I bake something I cut bak on he cinnamon by
1/2 or 1/4 the recommended amount.

The best vanilla extract is made from Madddagascar (Bourbob Islnds)
vanilla beans. I don't know about posters on this group, but many
people either mistake _vanillin_ for vanilla, vanillin being a very
poor substitute. A dozen or so years ago I began buying sufficient
aounts of vanilla beans to two quarts of extract. I soak the whole
pods, then scapd the seeds, adding both to each of the jars. One jar
I fill with a top shelf vodka and he other with a to shelf bourbon.
Store in a dark place for at least a couple of months.

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[Ophelia]

"Wayne Boatwright" wrote in message
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Wayne Boatwright

==

Heh nice:) I always buy vanilla extract because we like that, but cinnamon
... nooo!

D once nearly threw up when he ate a cake with a little in it. He was told
there was none, because it contained such a small amount they didn't think
it could be tasted.

Still, if they had been used to bigger amounts maybe they couldn't taste it.





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[Wayne Boatwright]

On Tue 25 Apr 2017 10:37:45a, Ophelia told us...

I do like cinnamon, as does my David, but only in small amounts.
When I bake an apple pie I usually add 1/8 teaspoon each of cinnamon,
nutmeg, coriander, and a tablespoon of fresh lemon juice.

I think many people react badly to certain things, whether or not it
may be allergy.

[graham]

I used to have a thing against cloves because at school, the cooks
always added way too many whole cloves to the apple pie. However, small
amounts in some dishes and pies really add a delicious note.
I always buy real vanilla, either high quality extract, paste, powder or
beans. The "used" beans end up in a jar of vodka.
Graham

[Ophelia]

"Wayne Boatwright" wrote in message

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Wayne Boatwright

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I don't know, I just know neither of us likes it so I keep away from it.



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[Wayne Boatwright]

On Tue 25 Apr 2017 12:17:14p, graham told us...

When I was in junior high school and high school, the school nurse
administered way too much oil of cloves around a tooth an gum, severe
enogh to cause a burn. I coldn't stomach cloves for many hears after
that, althoug I do use them now.

You've got the right idea about vanilla!

[Wayne Boatwright]

On Tue 25 Apr 2017 12:28:38p, Ophelia told us...

That's the smart thing to do! Do you like nutmeg or mace or allspice
or cloves?

[Janet]

In article <03ababf3-6ae4-4adc...@googlegroups.com>,
wil...@outlook.com says...

A lardon is a small cube of bacon about the size of a fingernail.

http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/food/ic/food_16x9_608/foods/l/lardons_16x9.jpg

Janet

[Ophelia]

"Wayne Boatwright" wrote in message

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Wayne Boatwright

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No we don't:)



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[Bruce]

But I want a fishy flavour from fish.

[Bruce]

On Tue, 25 Apr 2017 21:15:17 +0100, "Ophelia" <OphEl...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>"Wayne Boatwright" wrote in message
>news:XnsA762818158B9Ewa...@69.16.179.45...
>

>> I think many people react badly to certain things, whether or not
>> it may be allergy.
>>

>> ==
>>
>> I don't know, I just know neither of us likes it so I keep away
>> from it.
>>
>That's the smart thing to do! Do you like nutmeg or mace or allspice
>or cloves?
>

>===
>
>No we don't:)

Of course you don't. Those things have a flavour! :)

[The Greatest!]

Lil' Wayne Boatwright wrote:


> When I was in junior high school and high school, the school nurse
> administered way too much oil of cloves around a tooth an gum, severe
> enogh to cause a burn. I coldn't stomach cloves for many hears after
> that, althoug I do use them now.

She was just trying to give you an ___enema___, Lil' Wayne...you just got yer "ends" mixed up, is all...

> You've got the right idea about vanilla!

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Vanilla%20Sex

"Vanilla Sex:

A description of what a culture regards as standard or conventional sexual practice. Often, it is interpreted as sex which does not involve elements such as, BDSM, kink, or fetish activities. Usually defined as boring, plain sex. But, a vanilla lover would regard it as making-love, passionate sex.

1. Among heterosexual couples in the Western world, vanilla sex often refers to the missionary position.

2. Among homosexual couples, it sometimes implies that the activity is non-insertive (i.e. intercrural sex, frottage etc.)


"vanilla sex
boring. un-inventive. plain. sex
person A. "I got some last night."
person B. "Really, how was it?"
person A. "Meh, vanilla sex."
person B. "Awww. that sucks."


"I dumped her cause all she wanted was vanilla sex, I like my chicks freaky!"

</>


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[Wayne Boatwright]

On Tue 25 Apr 2017 01:15:17p, Ophelia told us...

Well, all of those fall into the category of "sweet spices". What
about herbs? Just curious.

[Ophelia]

"Wayne Boatwright" wrote in message

> That's the smart thing to do! Do you like nutmeg or mace or
> allspice or cloves?
>
>
> Wayne Boatwright
>
> ===
>
> No we don't:)
>
>
>

Well, all of those fall into the category of "sweet spices". What
about herbs? Just curious.

Wayne Boatwright

==

Yes, most herbs:) The ones I use most, I grow:) Mostly mint, rosemary and
thyme.



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[Wayne Boatwright]

On Wed 26 Apr 2017 12:09:48a, Ophelia told us...

Ah, three of my favorites! I can't grow herbs here.. It's just too
hot and dry. :-(

[Ophelia]

"Wayne Boatwright" wrote in message

news:XnsA76394FF580Fwa...@69.16.179.44...

On Wed 26 Apr 2017 12:09:48a, Ophelia told us...

> "Wayne Boatwright" wrote in message
>
>> That's the smart thing to do! Do you like nutmeg or mace or
>> allspice or cloves?
>>
>>
>> Wayne Boatwright
>>
>> ===
>>
>> No we don't:)
>>
>>
>>
>
> Well, all of those fall into the category of "sweet spices". What
> about herbs? Just curious.
>
>
> Wayne Boatwright
>
> ==
>
> Yes, most herbs:) The ones I use most, I grow:) Mostly mint,
> rosemary and thyme.
>
>
>

Ah, three of my favorites! I can't grow herbs here.. It's just too
hot and dry. :-(

Wayne Boatwright
==

That's a shame:( Could you grow a pot indoors?



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[Ed Pawlowski]

I know two people that grow herbs indoors so the neighbors don't see them.

[graham]

Or the police!

[Gary]

lol
I'm not interested in smoking pot anymore but if Virginia ever legalizes
it, my entire house will be full of the plants. I love house plants and
"the weed" is a beautiful plant.

For many years, just to simulate the look, I've had "false aralias" and
green leaf japanese maple trees.

[Dave Smith]

On 2017-04-26 10:08 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

>
> I know two people that grow herbs indoors so the neighbors don't see
> them.

Are they afraid the neighbours will break in and steal them. I have four
pots of herbs siting on a widow ledge facing the front of the house
because there is lots of light. I started some cilantro, dill, parsley
and basil. It is almost time to moved them outside.

[Ophelia]

"graham" wrote in message news:odqakd$e4t$1...@dont-email.me...

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Ahhhh *those* herbs ...



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[Ophelia]

"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message news:oR1MA.54339$0%5.1...@fx38.iad...

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Why?? :)) Is it a snobby pastime???



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[Ophelia]

"Gary" wrote in message news:odqd00$ndr$1...@dont-email.me...

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I have an aerogarden and I grow tomatoes all year round. I've had some odd
comments from strangers who have spotted it <g>

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=aerogarden&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=0ahUKEwie1PKkw8LTAhXHAsAKHUo9DSUQsAQIVw&biw=1093&bih=533#imgrc=BbHG97oFcPEIsM:&spf=191






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[Ed Pawlowski]

They don't want their oregano stolen I guess.

[Ophelia]

"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message news:bU3MA.29562$2g7....@fx30.iad...

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LOL

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[Bob Wolfe]

After serious thinking The Greatest! wrote :

> I dumped her cause all she wanted was vanilla sex, I like my
> chicks freaky!
>

You prefer bootlip sheboons, hog head!

https://postimg.cc/image/addur1fn9/ LOL!!!

[Nancy Young]

You really don't want your neighbors to see you grow herb.

nancy

[Ophelia]

"Nancy Young" wrote in message news:bv5MA.703072$jN1.3...@fx28.fr7...

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But if it is just mint or something???

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[Dave Smith]

There is a place on the next road over from me that is almost ready tp
get going and everyone around here knows that they are going to be
growing. They are almost finished putting up the 5 acres of greenhouses
for their medical marijuana operation. I wonder if it will still be
medical marijuana after pot is legalized here next year.

[Bruce]

On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 10:08:21 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.net> wrote:

>On 4/26/2017 6:02 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>> "Wayne Boatwright" wrote in message
>> news:XnsA76394FF580Fwa...@69.16.179.44...
>>
>> On Wed 26 Apr 2017 12:09:48a, Ophelia told us...
>>
>>> "Wayne Boatwright" wrote in message
>>>
>>>> That's the smart thing to do! Do you like nutmeg or mace or
>>>> allspice or cloves?
>>>>

>>>> ===
>>>>
>>>> No we don't:)
>>>>
>>> Well, all of those fall into the category of "sweet spices". What
>>> about herbs? Just curious.
>>>

>>> ==
>>>
>>> Yes, most herbs:) The ones I use most, I grow:) Mostly mint,
>>> rosemary and thyme.
>>
>> Ah, three of my favorites! I can't grow herbs here.. It's just too
>> hot and dry. :-(
>>

>> ==
>>
>> That's a shame:( Could you grow a pot indoors?
>>
>I know two people that grow herbs indoors so the neighbors don't see them.

They must be having a good thyme.

[graham]

It has always struck me that the majority of those asking for medical
marijuana are already potheads and their reasons for wanting it
spurious. Note that they never want it in alternative forms, always to
smoke.

[Bruce]

You can buy 5 bottles of whiskey and drink yourself to death, so pot
should be legal too. You can't kill yourself by smoking 10 joints.

[lucreti...@fl.it]

On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 13:19:31 -0600, graham <gst...@shaw.ca> wrote:

I used to grow it for David, he discovered it eased his pain
considerably. We lived in an old house downtown and the best place
was on the dining room table. I came home one day and found him at
the dining table chatting to a cop, apparently this cop had brought
him home after the car was hit by a couple of teens in a stolen car.
Gave me a fright, the cop must have recognised the plants but said
nothing as he could see why we were growing it. We had both given up
smoking by then but I used to make happy brownies for him :)

I think we will have problems with drivers under the influence - but
they are working on that - and clearly kids under 20 should not
indulge too freely. As for kids in homes where too much smoking
goes on, I can't think that will be good for them. OTOH taking it out
of criminal hands is a good move, so we shall see.

[The Greatest!]

I have to agree...I dropped a good long - time friend after he got a marijuana prescription, ostensibly it was for back pain (which was not that too bad from what I could see, he was never in visible pain). His whole life started revolving around getting high, once in mid - morning, then in late afternoon (in the evening is an extended cocktail hour, natch). He is fortunate that he is retired, and thus does not have to function in the real world. He became very isolated, and in addition engages in dangerous behaviors whilst under the influence, such as driving. Basically, he simply became a lazy - and somewhat paranoid - person. I respect his decision, but I don't have time for the people who choose to be so carelessly self - indulgent in their lives...I don't care to hang with soporific types. Thus the friendship cord was severed...

Make no mistake, marijuana can be a very, very dangerous drug. Show me a pothead, and I'll show you someone who is not doing much that is useful in life...

Legalization can cause a heap of troubles, look at the example of Denver. Their homeless situation has exploded since Colorado legalized pot, now there's a huge strain on the social service network. Homeless are encamped all over, on sidewalks even, they are all sitting around getting high via Medicaid - supplied pot. The LAST thing a person in crisis (homeless, jobless, whatever...) needs is an addictive substance that lowers their functioning level even more...



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[The Greatest!]

I mentioned in my previous reply to Graham about my former friend. He was always arguing that "Pot does NOT affect driving ability!" Sorry, I disagree, someone driving under the influence of pot is just the same as someone driving whilst intoxicated. ISTR reading about breathalyzer - type devices that are being developed for detecting pot, when the highway police get those "the jig will be up" for pot - impaired drivers...

As I put it to him, "You would not be allowed to operate heavy machinery on a construction site when you've smoked pot...a vehicle is heavy machinery, so you should not be driving a car, either..."

<shrug/>


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[Bruce]

Apply the same logic to alcohol and you want that illegal too.

[lucreti...@fl.it]

I don't know about your friend but I do know it brought relief to
David, he said better than the percoset he had been prescribed.

I do also know a man imd-40s who has indulged since his early 20s, a
marvellous brain wasted due to the inertia it created in him.

[lucreti...@fl.it]

On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 06:04:02 +1000, Bruce <Br...@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

What may be bad for one can be very much a blessing to others.

[Bruce]

I bet you also know someone who enjoys alcohol in a sensible way and
someone who's an alcoholic.

[The Greatest!]

I've absolutely no quibbles about someone easing intense and chronic pain, especially during end - stage cancer, etc....

> I do also know a man imd-40s who has indulged since his early 20s, a
> marvellous brain wasted due to the inertia it created in him.

The problem with pot is that it can become a "lifestyle" - as can of course other substances - the regular users I know are pretty useless in general - when they could be functioning.


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[Bruce]

Yes, even apart from the medical aspect.

[The Greatest!]

Why yes, I certainly do...


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[The Greatest!]

Nope...


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Greg

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 4/26/2017 4:04 PM, Bruce wrote:

>>
>> Legalization can cause a heap of troubles, look at the example of Denver. Their homeless situation has exploded since Colorado legalized pot, now there's a huge strain on the social service network. Homeless are encamped all over, on sidewalks even, they are all sitting around getting high via Medicaid - supplied pot. The LAST thing a person in crisis (homeless, jobless, whatever...) needs is an addictive substance that lowers their functioning level even more...
>
> Apply the same logic to alcohol and you want that illegal too.
>

I think they tried that once. Made a few people rich too.

Never used marijuana so I don't know how addictive it is but alcohol in
moderation is OK, but it is often abused.

My concern about legalization is adding some more impaired drivers to
the roads. I don't think people should do serious jail time for a couple
of joints though.

[The Greatest!]

Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> On 4/26/2017 4:04 PM, Bruce wrote:
>
> >>
> >> Legalization can cause a heap of troubles, look at the example of Denver. Their homeless situation has exploded since Colorado legalized pot, now there's a huge strain on the social service network. Homeless are encamped all over, on sidewalks even, they are all sitting around getting high via Medicaid - supplied pot. The LAST thing a person in crisis (homeless, jobless, whatever...) needs is an addictive substance that lowers their functioning level even more...
> >
> > Apply the same logic to alcohol and you want that illegal too.
> >
>
> I think they tried that once. Made a few people rich too.
>
> Never used marijuana so I don't know how addictive it is but alcohol in
> moderation is OK, but it is often abused.

Yes...

> My concern about legalization is adding some more impaired drivers to
> the roads. I don't think people should do serious jail time for a couple
> of joints though.

Yup...

My concern is that people are obtaining prescriptions for it who are going to be harmed by it - thus my comments re: the rising homeless population of Denver and other areas. They get prescriptions for "anxiety" issues, etc...thus adding to the pool of those who already have other substance issues (I view some things via a social service - type lens, because that is my "area" of work).


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Best
Greg

[Nancy Young]

Interesting. I wonder what kind of security places like that have,
legal or not.

nancy

[Nancy Young]

I understand that where it's legal, consumables are really big
sellers.

nancy

[lucreti...@fl.it]

On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 13:36:42 -0700 (PDT), "The Greatest!"

I really don't know, have seen it both ways, anyway all will become
clear in Canada, it becomes legal July 1, 2018.

[lucreti...@fl.it]

The cops are busy working on it here, looks like it will probably be
giving a mouth swab, like blowing into the machine currently for
alcohol. They are however aware that driving under the influence of
mj is every bit as bad as booze.

[lucreti...@fl.it]

Yes thats where I have concerns about small kids - they wouldn't know
the difference.

[Dave Smith]

Alcohol is far more dangerous than pot. It doesn't cause the physical,
medical, social, financial, criminal and family problems that alcohol
does. It is not addictive.

[Dave Smith]

I went to university in the 1970s and just about everyone smoked pot.
Those who stuck to pot never had problems. Very few went on to harder
drugs. The worst cases were those who became alcoholic. Most of the pot
smokers gave it up.

[Bruce]

I think they're comparable. I've known quite a few pot addicts. One
thing in favour of pot is that it doesn't make people aggressive the
way alcohol can.

[Dave Smith]

I hate to break it to you but there have been a lot of people driving
under the influence of pot for close to 50 years, and it has never been
the problem that alcohol is, and is not as bad as cell phones and
texting. Meanwhile, we have people zonked on prescription medication,
antihistamines, pain killers, cold medication and from the effects of
old age, illness. Heck, if we can hook up a car to be driven by a
person in a wheel chair and under the influence of variety of
medications, how serious are we about impairment in general?

[Dave Smith]

On 2017-04-26 4:47 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> On 4/26/2017 4:04 PM, Bruce wrote:

>
> I think they tried that once. Made a few people rich too.
>
> Never used marijuana so I don't know how addictive it is but alcohol in
> moderation is OK, but it is often abused.

I know lots of people who smoked it for years. Most of them eventually
tired of it and stopped. They include doctors, lawyers, politicians,
dentists.

> My concern about legalization is adding some more impaired drivers to
> the roads. I don't think people should do serious jail time for a couple
> of joints though.

They are talking legalization, but not allowing driving under the
influence.

[Dave Smith]

There is a fence with barbed wire, a big gate, security cameras.

I am waiting for the community open house and free samples ;-)

[graham]

That's fine but a lot of these potheads insist that the only way for
them is to smoke it.

[Bruce]

Why "potheads"? Do you call wine drinkers "alcoholics"? Also, what
does it matter if they smoke it or use it as a suppository?

[Bruce]

On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 18:04:34 -0400, Dave Smith
<adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>On 2017-04-26 4:47 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 4/26/2017 4:04 PM, Bruce wrote:
>
>>
>> I think they tried that once. Made a few people rich too.
>>
>> Never used marijuana so I don't know how addictive it is but alcohol in
>> moderation is OK, but it is often abused.
>>
>> My concern about legalization is adding some more impaired drivers to
>> the roads. I don't think people should do serious jail time for a couple
>> of joints though.
>
>I hate to break it to you but there have been a lot of people driving
>under the influence of pot for close to 50 years, and it has never been
>the problem that alcohol is, and is not as bad as cell phones and
>texting.

Where I live, I always hear about accidents due to driving under the
influence of alcohol or ice, but never pot. Maybe pot smokers stay
home and watch silly TV programs whilst mouth breathing?

[Dave Smith]

I don't think that they are the same at all, but it seems they have come
up with an arbitrary figure, like they did for alcohol. I say arbitrary
for a reason. The BAC limit is supposed to be an empirically derived
number based on studies that show where the average person is
intoxicated. It varies from one jurisdiction to another. Here in
Ontario the legal BAC was 0.08, but when the number of charges dropped
they came up with a 0.05 for an automatic 24 hour suspension... but no
charge.

[Dave Smith]

I knew a lot of pot smokers. They were habitual smokers, not addicts.

[Bruce]

On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 18:57:58 -0400, Dave Smith
<adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>I knew a lot of pot smokers. They were habitual smokers, not addicts.

I know a few lifelong addicts.

[dsi1]

I know exactly what you mean. :)

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[Nancy Young]

(laugh) Like a wine tasting. Paired with munchies.

nancy

[Dave Smith]

There is a big difference between a habit or vice and an addiction. I
find it hard to believe that it is physically addictive when I know so
many long time pot smokers who got bored with it and simply stopped
doing it. No cold turkey, no therapy, no rehab... they just stopped.

[Bruce]

On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 21:00:33 -0400, Dave Smith

<adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>On 2017-04-26 6:59 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 18:57:58 -0400, Dave Smith
>> <adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> I knew a lot of pot smokers. They were habitual smokers, not addicts.
>>
>> I know a few lifelong addicts.
>>
>
>
>There is a big difference between a habit or vice and an addiction. I
>find it hard to believe that it is physically addictive when I know so
>many long time pot smokers who got bored with it and simply stopped
>doing it. No cold turkey, no therapy, no rehab... they just stopped.

Maybe it's a psychological addiction, not so much a physical one, but
the effect is the same. I'm not saying that all pot smokers are
addicts either. Nothing wrong with recreational use of pot or alcohol,
in my opinion, but they can both get out of hand.

[Bruce]

On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 13:36:42 -0700 (PDT), "The Greatest!"

<gregorymorr...@gmail.com> wrote:

>lucreti...@fl.it wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 12:58:17 -0700 (PDT), "The Greatest!"
>> <gregorymorr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >lucreti...@fl.it wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 13:19:31 -0600, graham <gst...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On 2017-04-26 12:32 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> >> >> On 2017-04-26 2:17 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>> >> >>> On 4/26/2017 10:08 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> >> >> them.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> You really don't want your neighbors to see you grow herb.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>

>> >> >> There is a place on the next road over from me that is almost ready tp
>> >> >> get going and everyone around here knows that they are going to be
>> >> >> growing. They are almost finished putting up the 5 acres of greenhouses
>> >> >> for their medical marijuana operation. I wonder if it will still be
>> >> >> medical marijuana after pot is legalized here next year.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>

Yes, like alcohol, which isn't illegal.

> - the regular users I know are pretty useless in general - when they could be functioning.

Again, like alcohol.