Red Beams and Rice

[notbob]

OK, I did it!

I finally added some rice to my red beans. Plus, I kinda changed my
beans recipe. Started to make nb's minestrone, then changed my mind.

So, while the beans are most like "red beans" they have a beef broth
(BtB) base, like the minestrone. Not bad. I may keep it.

OTOH, the rice literally disappears in the mix. Kinda like Popeye's
RB&R, which I like. Trouble is, I've found the extra starches are
starting to let me gain weight. ;)

nb

[jmcquown]

Don't eat the entire pot in one sitting! ;)

I like red beans & rice but also black beans & rice (same seasonings,
loosely based on Paul Prudhomme's). I plan to make that again soon as I
have some andouille sausage in the freezer. I like to make cornsticks
or cornbread to go with it. A pot of red beans & rice or black beans &
rice lasts several days here. It also freezes well, as does the
cornbread or cornsticks.

Jill

[Gary]

jmcquown wrote:
>
> A pot of red beans & rice or black beans &
> rice lasts several days here.

Those meals would last me several years until I finally tossed
them. lol

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

Why?

[jmcquown]

He doesn't like it so that's a reason to scoff.

Jill

[Cindy Hamilton]

Not that I'd make red beans and rice, but they'd last me about 30 seconds
before I threw them out. I don't know why Gary is so patient.

I'm just not a fan of beans. Nothing wrong with liking them, and I often
wish I did.

Cindy Hamilton

[A Moose in Love]

i like beans. never had red beans and rice. shouldn't there be some smoked ham in there? i like beans in my chili which goes against what the 'purists' think that chili should be. like bean chowder with smoked ham in there. i like boston beans, although they are unhealthy for me(they are too sweet for a diabetic).

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

Ooooooh.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

I've had red beans and rice ONCE. They were absolutely lip smacking, to die
for delicious and it was only a cup/mug and they were sooooo good I think I
could have eaten 6 bowls of the stuff. B-u-t the next day I had gas really,
really, REALLY bad and it r.a.n.k. However, if someone put a bowl in front
of me this minute I'd dig in without hesitation.

[jmcquown]

On 5/6/2019 1:18 PM, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
> On Monday, May 6, 2019 at 12:09:01 PM UTC-5, A Moose in Love wrote:
>>
>> On Monday, May 6, 2019 at 12:51:00 PM UTC-4, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>
>>> Not that I'd make red beans and rice, but they'd last me about 30 seconds
>>> before I threw them out. I don't know why Gary is so patient.
>>>
>>> I'm just not a fan of beans. Nothing wrong with liking them, and I often
>>> wish I did.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> i like beans. never had red beans and rice. shouldn't there be some smoked ham in there?

<piggybacking>

IMHO, no. Andouille sausage. Never had red beans and rice? Try it and
report back. You may or may not like it.

Cindy doesn't have to like it, either. For some reason I don't have the
same gastric issues from eating beans as many people seem to report. Yay!

Jill

[penm...@aol.com]

On Mon, 6 May 2019 12:46:11 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

Actually Gary has to reply to every thread even if negative while
adding nothing... he's competing with JB. If he doesn't like rice
and beans why does he prepare them, only to trash them?
We like rice and beans but I prepare them like a pilaf, with diced
veggies (celery, bell pepper, garlic, parsley, even corn niblets and
diced tomatoes, sometines with ground beef) and well seasoned. I
prepare a 6 qt potful as it freezes well.... makes a good side for
pork chops, chicken breasts, etc. My wife grew up with rice and
beans, was on the table most every day.... she prefers hers with
seafood but I don't do seafood at home and my wife agrees, she doesn't
like her clothing to smell of fish either,

[penm...@aol.com]

What about a bean soup... lots of people who claim to not like beans
love a good home made navy bean soup. I make a good lima bean soup
with ham hocks and greens.
We also love refried black beans with pork chops and tortillas.
Canned bean soups are disappointing as are canned pork and beans.

[jmcquown]

In article <0as0de1s09g4u8kek...@4ax.com>, penmart01
@aol.com Sheldon says...

> my wife agrees, she doesn't
> like her clothing to smell of fish either,
>

She's pretty picky for a Mexican whore.

https://imgur.com/a/BTxhlbh LOL

[Cindy Hamilton]

Nope. The smell of bean soup cooking is enough to drive
me out of the house.

Plus, they're worst when they're more cooked. Mealy.

I like lentils, though.

I'll eat a forkful of beans now and then, and one of my
favorite combination plates at the Tibetan restaurant
usually comes with a little serving of them, but that's
about as far as I'll go.

Cindy Hamilton

[Julie Bove]

"jmcquown" <j_mc...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Si_zE.4$y6...@fx39.iad...

I don't like the seasonings.

[jmcquown]

No surprise there.

Jill

[jmcquown]

Fact is, I don't eat a lot of rice. I don't consider it a staple and
don't bother to eat it even once a month. I do, however, like
occasional red or black beans with rice with some nice spicy sausage
added to the mixture.

Jill

[penm...@aol.com]

On Mon, 6 May 2019 "Julie Bove" wrote:
>"jmcquown" wrote:
>> On 5/6/2019 itsjoannotjoann wrote:
>>> On Monday, May 6, 2019 A Moose in Love wrote:

>>>> On Monday, May 6, 2019 Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Not that I'd make red beans and rice, but they'd last me about 30
>>>>> seconds before I threw them out. I don't know why Gary is so patient.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm just not a fan of beans. Nothing wrong with liking them, and I
>>>>> often wish I did.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>
>>>> i like beans. never had red beans and rice. shouldn't there be some
>>>> smoked ham in there?
>> <piggybacking>
>>

>> Never had red beans and rice? Try it and
>> report back. You may or may not like it.
>>
>> Cindy doesn't have to like it, either. For some reason I don't have the
>> same gastric issues from eating beans as many people seem to report. Yay!
>
> I don't like the seasonings.

Well, DUH! Use seasonings that you do like, or omit seasoning,

[Gary]

Just different tastes, that's all. I consider that last ditch
something to eat and not anything to look forward to. Adding that
sausage doesn't help either, imo.

Don't be offended by my comment. We can't all love McDonald's
plain hamburgers either. ;)

[Gary]

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> Not that I'd make red beans and rice, but they'd last me about 30 seconds
> before I threw them out. I don't know why Gary is so patient.

heh heh ;)

>
> I'm just not a fan of beans. Nothing wrong with liking them, and I often
> wish I did.

I like to add some red beans (kidney) to chili along with meat
but not too many and half of those will be mashed.

As far as rice, for some reason I love it with chinese food and
with stuffed peppers. Any other rice recipe is a fail for my
taste buddies. They have feelings too so I try to accomodate.

[Gary]

Clueless Sheldar in NY wrote:
> Actually Gary has to reply to every thread even if negative while
> adding nothing... he's competing with JB. If he doesn't like rice
> and beans why does he prepare them, only to trash them?

I don't like or make red beans and rice. Only once, never again.

> I don't do seafood at home and my wife agrees, she doesn't
> like her clothing to smell of fish either,

Only seafood gone bad smells like fish.

[Cindy Hamilton]

What does seafood not gone bad smell like? Roses?

Of course seafood smells like fish. When I'm done
grilling salmon my clothing smells like grilled salmon.

Cindy Hamilton

[jmcquown]

If her gardener doesn't like it (according to her it must be brown
rice!) she won't like it, either. She'd rather have bland, boring rice
and bland, boring beans.

Jill

Jill

[Gary]

Cindy Hamilton wrote:

>
> Gary wrote:
> > Only seafood gone bad smells like fish.
>
> What does seafood not gone bad smell like? Roses?
>
> Of course seafood smells like fish. When I'm done
> grilling salmon my clothing smells like grilled salmon.

Old stuff then, Cindy. Fresh seafood of any kind has no smell at
all. Certainly won't make your clothes smell. That's silly. If
you smell fish, you are using too long dead seafood. Not kidding.

Fresh is the answer. You kill a live anything then immediately
cook and no smell...ever.

[penm...@aol.com]

I, not saying fish smells bad, we just don't want our house and
everything in it to smell of fish cooking.... have you never boiled
shrimp, it schtinks. But then you live alone and don't have much
company if any. and on the job the smell of paint trumps all other
smells... I don't think painters have any sense of smell or taste, is
why you love the aroma of McDs... to me from a block away that's how I
define stench/skunk. I'll drive out of my way not to pass downwind of
a McDs.

[Cindy Hamilton]

Not going to happen here, hundreds of miles from the ocean.
I hate freshwater fish.

Everything smells of what it is when you cook it. Even skinless,
boneless chicken breast.

Are you sure the paint fumes haven't destroyed your olfactory nerve?

Cindy Hamilton

[Bruce]

They've destroyed a lot more than that. Gary's brain is in a constant
zombiesque state.

[Julie Bove]

<penm...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:vis2detg8jco2qcp0...@4ax.com...

Then it's not called red beans and rice!!!

[Julie Bove]

"jmcquown" <j_mc...@comcast.net> wrote in message

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I don't know if he likes it or not. I never asked. Last rice I cooked was
Mexican. That's not boring. Beans are never boring.

[Gary]

penm...@aol.com wrote:

>
> Gary wrote:
> >Only seafood gone bad smells like fish.
>
> I, not saying fish smells bad, we just don't want our house and
> everything in it to smell of fish cooking.... have you never boiled
> shrimp, it schtinks.

Obviously, anything cooked will smell. Fresh seafood not so bad
to me but then I open my windows occasionally on nice days. My
"fish smell" point is that raw seafood that is fresh won't smell
like fish.

You never open windows. Sad. Even your nifty air filter doesn't
substitute for real fresh air. Paranoid about pollen, open your
windows on a windy cold winter day then, flush out all the stale
air that you've been rebreathing for the last 20 years.

Cooking anything smells like the food and the seasoning. Good
smells to me. Only lingering smells that I have had in my place
is that onions cooking might last a day or so, not a bad smell
though.

> I don't think painters have any sense of smell or taste, is
> why you love the aroma of McDs... to me from a block away that's how I
> define stench/skunk. I'll drive out of my way not to pass downwind of
> a McDs.

You oddball, lol. By doing that, you are another abuser of the
earth's fossil fuel.
Your neighbors probably take a different route home once they get
a whiff of "another pot roast." lol

[Gary]

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> Not going to happen here, hundreds of miles from the ocean.
> I hate freshwater fish.

I'm not a fan of freshwater fish either although I tried tilapia
once and was happy enough after I seasoned it.

I've lived by tidal water almost all my life so I'm so accustomed
to salt water. Swimming in a fresh water lake is very disturbing
to me. It just seems wrong. lol Seriously too, it kind of creeps
me out.

> Everything smells of what it is when you cook it. Even skinless,
> boneless chicken breast.

Yes, everything does take on a smell when cooking and I took it
too far. You were just saying how even your clothes smelled of
fish. My point is that any raw seafood that smells like fish is
going bad. At that time, you can overcook it and season it all to
hell to kill the bacteria, or just toss it. If I smell fishy, I
toss without hesitation.

Fresh seafood should be killed and eaten immediately or iced down
immediately. Any grocery store seafood has been previously
frozen. Frozen is good too.

[Dave Smith]

On 2019-05-08 9:27 a.m., Gary wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>> Not going to happen here, hundreds of miles from the ocean.
>> I hate freshwater fish.
>
> I'm not a fan of freshwater fish either although I tried tilapia
> once and was happy enough after I seasoned it.

Freshwater fish is better if it is from cold water. We get pickeral and
perch from Lake Erie and it is delicious. We also get a lot of farmed
rainbow trout. I really like it.

>
> I've lived by tidal water almost all my life so I'm so accustomed
> to salt water. Swimming in a fresh water lake is very disturbing
> to me. It just seems wrong. lol Seriously too, it kind of creeps
> me out.

Swimming in the ocean creeps me out.... sharks, jelly fish....

> Fresh seafood should be killed and eaten immediately or iced down
> immediately. Any grocery store seafood has been previously
> frozen. Frozen is good too.

Lobster has to be the worst. It is kept alive or killed and cooked right
away because the flesh starts to rot very soon after they die.

[Gary]

Dave Smith wrote:

>
> Gary wrote:
> > Fresh seafood should be killed and eaten immediately or iced down
> > immediately. Any grocery store seafood has been previously
> > frozen. Frozen is good too.
>
> Lobster has to be the worst. It is kept alive or killed and cooked right
> away because the flesh starts to rot very soon after they die.

That's actually the case with any seafood, not just lobsters.
Most of my seafood is killed (by me) right before I cook it.

Shrimp is the exception. I buy that in 2lb bags frozen from
somewhere in the world. Again...immediately frozen is good and no
problem.

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Wednesday, May 8, 2019 at 9:27:06 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:

> Yes, everything does take on a smell when cooking and I took it
> too far. You were just saying how even your clothes smelled of
> fish.

In point of fact, what my clothes smell of is salmon fat hitting
the flame tamer bars on my grill. I don't want that sort of
smell permeating my house.

Don't bother to suggest opening a window. There are only about
eight weeks a year when it is comfortable enough to open the
windows. We'll occasionally open for half an hour if we get
a winter's day that's sunny and above 30. Once the summer
heat and humidity set in, fuhgettaboutit.

> My point is that any raw seafood that smells like fish is
> going bad.

Of course. Nobody has objected to having raw, fresh fish in their
house. They object to the smell of it being cooked. I very
rarely cook fish indoors. Scampi or boiled shrimp is about the
extent of it. I'd rather have grilled fish (or shrimp) for
the most part.

> Fresh seafood should be killed and eaten immediately or iced down
> immediately. Any grocery store seafood has been previously
> frozen. Frozen is good too.

I generally buy frozen seafood and defrost it myself. It's the
only way to know how long it has been defrosted.

Cindy Hamilton

[songbird]

as long as it is kept well frozen the whole way
through. sadly a lot of it is subjected to bad
handling and is rank to me.

the other point about smells is that once you
stop cooking meats/seafoods/fish and some oils
you will develop a nose that can detect rancid
grease and dead animal flesh smells that you would
not believe. i was mostly vegetarian for a few
years and it was very tough to go back to cooking
meat.

we are similar now here, we do eat meat at times
but it isn't often we cook it here at home. when
i do i have to wash the pan two or three times to
remove the rancid smell that comes from it. still
i do like a good cheese burger once in a while
(about once every month or two) and i cook some
other meat based/flavored dishes every once in a
while too. just not often enough to reacclimate
my nose to the stenches...


songbird

[penm...@aol.com]

Anyone who spends time in close proximity with others doesn't want to
reek of horrid cooking odors... you obviously spend little to no time
with others and on your job all anyone can smell is paint fumes...
instead of deodorant Gary paints his arm pits with Sherwin Williams...
on a hot day Gary sprays his crotch with turp. hehe

[penm...@aol.com]

Doesn't matter, the freshest fish cooking smells... in fact all food
cooking smells but a beef steak frying smells fine to me, not a slab
of fresh salmon. There's a good reason restaurant kitchens have
closed doors and powerful exhaust fans. Personally I don't want to
have my morning coffee while bacon is frying. I'd rather clean a
cat's litter pan than smell bacon frying.

[Nancy2]

Fresh lake perch, walleye and even Northern (Pike) are pretty hard to beat, taste-wise.
Have you ever tried any of those?

N.

[Bruce]

People derive their identity from what they like and don't like to
eat. That's why they always tell us in RFC. "Ha, never in my house!"
"Ha, I'll never eat that!" "Ha, you can have my portion!" "Ha, I'll
only eat prawns when they've been caught on a Wednesday morning doing
the backstroke!" Asking them to change their mind is asking them to
lose their sense of identity.

[Cindy Hamilton]

Yes. Still hate freshwater fish. It all tastes like mud.

I live in Michigan. There's a ton of sport fishing here, and
I've had ample opportunity to develop a dislike for freshwater
fish.

Cindy Hamilton

[Cindy Hamilton]

Or lose their sense of taste. Face it. Everybody's sensory apparatus
is different. Hardly anybody will like the taste of everything they're
offered to eat.

Cindy Hamilton

[Bruce]

<dsi1>
Some people need a little famine every now and then.
</dsi1>

[Bruce]

On Thu, 9 May 2019 02:51:11 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
<angelica...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, May 8, 2019 at 4:53:47 PM UTC-4, Nancy2 wrote:
>> Fresh lake perch, walleye and even Northern (Pike) are pretty hard to beat, taste-wise.
>> Have you ever tried any of those?
>>
>> N.
>
>Yes. Still hate freshwater fish. It all tastes like mud.

No, it doesn't, but you'll never know. Your mind's made up and closed.
That's alright though. We all have our prejudices.

[Gary]

songbird wrote:
>
> we do eat meat at times
> but it isn't often we cook it here at home. when
> i do i have to wash the pan two or three times to
> remove the rancid smell that comes from it.

Now that comment strikes me as odd. Have to wash the pan
2-3 times to remove the rancid smell? Do you use soap?

Also....."rancid?" Are you buying fresh meat?

If fresh meat leaves a rancid smell, I'm suprised that
you eat meat at all. ;-O

[Cindy Hamilton]

I have eaten freshwater fish off and on all of my life. My
mind is made up because I have experience.

Cindy Hamilton

[Gary]

Only fresh water fish was once with Tilapia. That was ok. Never
had northern pike or walleye. Used to catch (and release) many
perch but so close to Washington DC area, the river was very
polluted so you didn't dare eat the fish that you caught in that
area. It was catch and release only...just fishing for fun.

[Bruce]

Well, it is carrion, Gary.

[songbird]

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
...

> I live in Michigan. There's a ton of sport fishing here, and
> I've had ample opportunity to develop a dislike for freshwater
> fish.

i do too, and i've had plenty of fish that don't.
however, most of the fish i eat have come from
pretty cold running streams, Lake Superior or the
oceans.

the muddy/fishy taste in many fish may be from
the algae in the water.

i've had northern pike that were just above
legal limit that tasted really good and same
fish downstate (around here) i wouldn't touch.

i'm not a big fish/seafood eater unless i
know where and how it is caught.

when i was living in the UP and fishing a lot
i'd eat a few here or there and almost all of them
were good. the only one i recall not liking was
a large small mouth bass i had fun bringing in
one evening. i meant to release it but the lure
was way down and did too much damage so i had to
clean it and filet it. normally with the warmer
water fish that are apex predators i want them to
be just above legal limit.


songbird

[songbird]

Gary wrote:
> songbird wrote:
>>
>> we do eat meat at times
>> but it isn't often we cook it here at home. when
>> i do i have to wash the pan two or three times to
>> remove the rancid smell that comes from it.
>
> Now that comment strikes me as odd. Have to wash the pan
> 2-3 times to remove the rancid smell? Do you use soap?

yes we do have soap/degreaser. a cast iron pan should
not be scrubbed so severely tho. the other pans i wash
once to get the bulk of the gunk off and then the 2nd
time to finish. once in a while the 3rd time is after
a wash of bleach solution.

> Also....."rancid?" Are you buying fresh meat?

fresh meat smells ok, the wrapping stuff can smell
after a few minutes when thrown in the trash. sometimes
i rinse it with the soapy water from doing the dishes
so it doesn't reek so bad. i keep old ziplock bags
handy for throwing things away in or for double or
triple wrapping to put in the fridge. i've found this
past year i can use some short squat wide mouthed jars
for putting burgers in and they seal well enough i
don't hear complaints. washed once glass usually will
not hold the rancid smell (plastic things do).

> If fresh meat leaves a rancid smell, I'm suprised that
> you eat meat at all. ;-O

it is only after cooking so it is something going
on with the fats and heat which is giving that smell.
wash it a few times and it becomes faint enough that
it will then air out enough for me not to notice it
unless i stick my nose right up close to the pan.

after i wash the iron frying pan i recoat it with
a little oil to keep it from rusting.

the other pans we use once in a while we rinse
them with bleach solution to deodorize them and
remove some stains, then i wash them again.

if you have never been a vegetarian for long you
will not even notice this smell in most cases. if
you stop cooking meat/seafood at home you'll begin
to notice it eventually if your nose is sensitive
enough. i think both of us are extra sensitive
because we react to a lot of things otherwise too
(like very faint amounts of smoke).


songbird

[cshenk]

Gary wrote:

> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >
> > Gary wrote:
> > > Only seafood gone bad smells like fish.
> >

> > What does seafood not gone bad smell like? Roses?
> >
> > Of course seafood smells like fish. When I'm done
> > grilling salmon my clothing smells like grilled salmon.
>

> Old stuff then, Cindy. Fresh seafood of any kind has no smell at
> all. Certainly won't make your clothes smell. That's silly. If
> you smell fish, you are using too long dead seafood. Not kidding.
>
> Fresh is the answer. You kill a live anything then immediately
> cook and no smell...ever.

Close but not entirely. There are some types that have a stong aroma
when fresh. Mackeral comes ot mind.

[jmcquown]

On 5/8/2019 10:13 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> I generally buy frozen seafood and defrost it myself. It's the
> only way to know how long it has been defrosted.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

Same here, Cindy. When I buy sea scallops I buy the flash frozen ones
that come in a resealable bag. I can thaw as many or as few as I want.
The little sign on the sea scallops in the seafood case indicates they
were previously frozen. Sure, they're in a cold case on a bed of ice
but I have no idea how long ago they thawed them.

Jill

[Dave Smith]

On 2019-05-15 8:48 a.m., jmcquown wrote:

> Same here, Cindy.  When I buy sea scallops I buy the flash frozen ones
> that come in a resealable bag.  I can thaw as many or as few as I want.
> The little sign on the sea scallops in the seafood case indicates they
> were previously frozen.  Sure, they're in a cold case on a bed of ice
> but I have no idea how long ago they thawed them.

A month or so ago I bought a bag of flash frozen scallops at Costco upon
the recommendation of someone here. They were delicious. We kind of
pigged out on them and had two good feeds for two. The next time we will
be a little more judicious with the servings.

[notbob]

On 5/15/2019 6:48 AM, jmcquown wrote:

> Sure, they're in a cold case on a bed of ice
> but I have no idea how long ago they thawed them.

Trouble with "flash frozen" is, the product (be it shrimp, scallops,
fish, etc) jes does NOT last as long in the freezer.

Usta be, Black Tailed shrimp would last forever cuz they were frozen in
water (a block of ice). No longer!

Now, they are now flash frozen and start drying out after a few weeks.
Let 'em go and they will dry out to the point of "gotta toss 'em".

Kinda like putting that huge slug of toothpaste on yer toothbrush.
Looks good in the commercials (and makes you buy more), but all that
toothpaste is unnecessary. ;)

nb

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Wednesday, May 15, 2019 at 11:06:21 AM UTC-4, notbob wrote:
> On 5/15/2019 6:48 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>
> > Sure, they're in a cold case on a bed of ice
> > but I have no idea how long ago they thawed them.
>
> Trouble with "flash frozen" is, the product (be it shrimp, scallops,
> fish, etc) jes does NOT last as long in the freezer.
>
> Usta be, Black Tailed shrimp would last forever cuz they were frozen in
> water (a block of ice). No longer!
>
> Now, they are now flash frozen and start drying out after a few weeks.
> Let 'em go and they will dry out to the point of "gotta toss 'em".
>

What alternative do you suggest? The only shrimp I can buy are
IQF. I inquired at the fishmonger about "frozen in a block of ice"
and the smallest quantity was about 20 pounds, leaving me with the
alternative of defrosting, cooking, and eating 20 pounds of shrimp
or sawing up the block of ice and having weird partial shrimp.

Cindy Hamilton

[U.S. Janet B.]

the problem is with the 'frost free' feature of your freezer. The
constant thawing and re-freezing is tough on stuff in your freezer.
The frozen items that I keep in my deep freeze are fine. Stuff in the
freezer that comes with the fridge get ice crystals inside packaging.
I generally double package stuff in the fridge/freezer and that helps
but doesn't cure a problem for something kept long term
Janet US

[notbob]

On 5/15/2019 9:45 AM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:

> the problem is with the 'frost free' feature of your freezer.

No, it's not!

I'm familiar w/ the "frost free" feature in my fridge, as I've worked on
'em, before.

The problem is seafood frozen in water vs "flash freezing" is the stuff
frozen in "ice" lasts much, much longer.

I usta get free trout from my buddy. He froze the fish in old wax
half-gallon milk containers (fulla water). They would keep ferever! ;)

nb

[penm...@aol.com]

For most of my life I've lived within walking distance of the sea so I
got used to fresh seafood, still live or out of the water no more than
eight hours... NEVER frozen. In NYC there were fish mongers
everywhere, and a huge fleet of fishing boats. The fish monger my
mom shopped from would toss in a couple pounds of fresh caught shrimp
free with the fish she bought. That's how it was with all the
specialty shops; the green grocer gave free herbs and soup greens to
customers. the butcher gave free soup bones an d free offal (liver,
hearts, kidney, etc.). I no longer eat seafood as I can't buy any but
previously frozen or old where I live now.... previously frozen is
disgusting, I'd much rather canned. Growing up the people in NYC
shopped daily as everyone had an ice-a-box... even today folks in NYC
who like to cook shop daily... because of all the ethnic neighborhoods
every food on the planet is available fresh in NYC,

[jmcquown]

IMHO it's better to buy the flash frozen bagged scallops than wonder how
long those (thawed) scallops have been sitting on ice at the seafood
counter. I don't live in an area where scallops are fished.

Unless I buy them with an immediate plan to cook them, I usually
re-package and freeze them. I certainly don't want to re-freeze
previously frozen scallops. Texture and taste tends to suffer.

Jill

[jmcquown]

On 5/15/2019 11:06 AM, notbob wrote:
> On 5/15/2019 6:48 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>
>> Sure, they're in a cold case on a bed of ice but I have no idea how
>> long ago they thawed them.
>
> Trouble with "flash frozen" is, the product (be it shrimp, scallops,
> fish, etc) jes does NOT last as long in the freezer.
>
> Usta be, Black Tailed shrimp would last forever cuz they were frozen in
> water (a block of ice).  No longer!
>

Sorry, I've never had anything frozen in blocks of ice.

> Now, they are now flash frozen and start drying out after a few weeks.
> Let 'em go and they will dry out to the point of "gotta toss 'em".
>

Not my experience with flash frozen fish, nb. Maybe there's a problem
with your freezer. Or the products you're buying.

> Kinda like putting that huge slug of toothpaste on yer toothbrush. Looks
> good in the commercials (and makes you buy more), but all that
> toothpaste is unnecessary.  ;)
>
> nb

I have no idea why you're blethering about toothpaste.

Jill

[jmcquown]

Uh... what you and your buddy did and what is available at the grocery
store as "flash frozen" aren't the same thing. No buckets, not blocks
of water. Commercial fishing boats.

The flash frozen fish and seafood I buy definitely don't start drying
out or need to be tossed in a few weeks. Yours is either very poorly
wrapped or the problem is your freezer.

Jill

[U.S. Janet B.]

On Wed, 15 May 2019 13:00:31 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

the stuff that I buy has a thin coating of ice on each individual
piece

[jmcquown]

The frozen fish I buy is cryovac'd separate fillets.

Jill