Pepper Mill

[Julie Bove]

I have two of these Pepper Mills.

https://smile.amazon.com/Pepper-Grinder-Salt-Shaker-Professional/dp/B074Z8JB31/ref=sr_1_6?keywords=pepper+mill&qid=1551410171&s=gateway&sr=8-6

I did not purchase them through Amazon. Can't remember where I got them.
They came filled with peppercorns. I got two because I like to keep one in
the kitchen and one near the computer. I usually eat here.

Both worked fine until I refilled them. Then something weird happened. All
of a sudden, the grinding mechanism went haywire. When I try to grind, it
chips off a bit of the outside. Out plops almost a whole peppercorn and some
smaller pieces. I did try to adjust the grinding mechanism. That didn't
help. Almost like it's stuck or something! At least I didn't pay a lot for
them!

Anyone else have this happen?

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Thursday, February 28, 2019 at 9:21:54 PM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> I have two of these Pepper Mills.
>
> https://smile.amazon.com/Pepper-Grinder-Salt-Shaker-Professional/dp/B074Z8JB31/ref=sr_1_6?keywords=pepper+mill&qid=1551410171&s=gateway&sr=8-6
>

> Both worked fine until I refilled them. Then something weird happened. All
> of a sudden, the grinding mechanism went haywire.
>

> Anyone else have this happen?
>

Only in the world of Bov-ine.

[Ed Pawlowski]

I guess you don't get much for 10 bucks. Recently bought an Oxo for $12
that seems to be ok. Also bought a new Atlas but that was much more
expensive. It got lost in the move, but we had it for about 40 years.
I like a crank on top rather than turn a wheel for times you want a lot
of pepper.

[John Kuthe]

Being wealthy I bought a couple of William Bounds pepper mills. One to use, and one as a backup of the one I'm using breaks!

John Kuthe...

[Julie Bove]

<itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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Nope. Some reviewers reported a similar problem.

[Julie Bove]

"Ed Pawlowski" <e...@snet.xxx> wrote in message
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I had a couple of Oxo but they were the balls with two handles like Ming
Tsai uses. The handles broke on mine. One after a couple of years. One after
a couple of uses. Both were gifts.

[dsi1]

Welcome to the party pal. I've had quite a few and they've all worked unsatisfactory. They've always been a disappointment. Your best bet is to toss that out and start with a new one.

[Julie Bove]

"dsi1" <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote in message
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Already got it. So far so good!

[Sqwertz]

On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 19:21:39 -0800, Julie Bove wrote:

> I have two of these Pepper Mills.
>
> https://smile.amazon.com/Pepper-Grinder-Salt-Shaker-Professional/dp/B074Z8JB31/ref=sr_1_6?keywords=pepper+mill&qid=1551410171&s=gateway&sr=8-6

I have/had the same set. The pepper mill broke after 2-3 refills
where the plastic thread housing meets the glass. I may still have
the salt grinder, butt fuck it, useless even when they work well.

I'm looking into getting a electric pepper mill next. There's a lot
that get good reviews, but none say how fast they crank out a
teaspoon. I need a teaspoon in 5 or less seconds. Because I'm an
impatient asshole.

> Anyone else have this happen?

Whatever you're trying to describe, no.

-sw

[Janet]

In article <1hk1jv5j...@sqwertz.com>, sqwe...@gmail.invalid
says...

>
> On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 19:21:39 -0800, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> > I have two of these Pepper Mills.
> >
> > https://smile.amazon.com/Pepper-Grinder-Salt-Shaker-Professional/dp/B074Z8JB31/ref=sr_1_6?keywords=pepper+mill&qid=1551410171&s=gateway&sr=8-6
>
> I have/had the same set. The pepper mill broke after 2-3 refills
> where the plastic thread housing meets the glass. I may still have
> the salt grinder, butt fuck it, useless even when they work well.
>
> I'm looking into getting a electric pepper mill next. There's a lot
> that get good reviews, but none say how fast they crank out a
> teaspoon. I need a teaspoon in 5 or less seconds. Because I'm an
> impatient asshole.

I have had a Cole and Mason electronic pepper mill for well over 10
years, still perfect and in daily use, battery lasts about 2 years.

I paid about 20 UKP back then worth every penny; can't find quite the
same model but it looks like this

https://www.coleandmason.com/salt-and-pepper/electronic-mills/cole-
mason-electronic-gourmet-precision-greenwich-stainless-steel-pepper-mill

One-handed touch button, perfect for anyone with arthritis or a weak
grip.It's one of my favourite kitchen gadgets, so much so I have given
them to all my kids.

Janet UK.

[Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl]

On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 19:21:39 -0800, "Julie Bove"

well the ones that are prefilled ones are crap, they are usually one
and done. The ones you buy separate are not that much different, you
can sometimes get several weeks out of it maybe a couple of months and
something goes wrong, something falls off or some other crap happens
that just pisses you off cause you just needed like 1/8 of a tsp to
finish the damn recipe and you freakin pepper mill decided to go all
to crap at that exact moment..

So to answer you question , yes it has happened many times....

Now I just buy the precracked pepper in the little red and tins and I
am perfectly happy. You will not taste a difference.... It is just
like the "organic" fad... There is no taste difference, and the
nutritional difference is so small that if you dont eat every single
of atom of that particular food then you will never even get a
difference, or if you do then the extra time you spend trying to pick
apart the food you will have burned any additional nutrition you may
have gained. It is all a marketing scheme to get you to buy more crap
that is not needed.

--

____/~~~sine qua non~~~\____

[notbob]

On 2/28/2019 9:49 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

>  Also bought a new Atlas but that was much more
> expensive.

Yeah. About $75.00USD at Sur-High-Tab, about 30 yrs ago. Made from
Turkish coffee grinders, but have a "cast-iron" burr instead of a
"hardened steel" burr (like older Zassenhaus coffee grinders), so the
burr will wear out.

Hardest part is keeping all that brass polished! ;)

nb

[U.S. Janet B.]

On Fri, 1 Mar 2019 04:07:14 -0600, Sqwertz <sqwe...@gmail.invalid>
wrote:

how can you people break a pepper mill? I've really only had 2
different ones in my life. One acrylic, one glass(well I had the hand
me down old fashioned wood with crank handles and even a new house
wife could tell those sucked) I got my first acrylic one about 40
years ago and replaced it with a glass one I liked better maybe 20
years ago. Easy to fill, easy to clean, easy to adjust. I can do
cracked pepper to really fine grind and I can do a bunch of pepper in
a short amount of time. Fits the hand nicely. Doesn't dribble pepper
schmutz. And maybe $15 each. It's the Kuhn Rikon Vase Grinder.
Janet US

[penm...@aol.com]

That sounds like some helper liked it as much as you did.

[graham]

On 2019-03-01 7:56 a.m., U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> On Fri, 1 Mar 2019 04:07:14 -0600, Sqwertz <sqwe...@gmail.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 19:21:39 -0800, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>>> I have two of these Pepper Mills.
>>>
>>> https://smile.amazon.com/Pepper-Grinder-Salt-Shaker-Professional/dp/B074Z8JB31/ref=sr_1_6?keywords=pepper+mill&qid=1551410171&s=gateway&sr=8-6
>>
>> I have/had the same set. The pepper mill broke after 2-3 refills
>> where the plastic thread housing meets the glass. I may still have
>> the salt grinder, butt fuck it, useless even when they work well.
>>
>> I'm looking into getting a electric pepper mill next. There's a lot
>> that get good reviews, but none say how fast they crank out a
>> teaspoon. I need a teaspoon in 5 or less seconds. Because I'm an
>> impatient asshole.
>>
>>> Anyone else have this happen?
>>
>> Whatever you're trying to describe, no.
>>
>> -sw
> how can you people break a pepper mill?

A lot of people twist them back and forward, thereby ruining the
grinding mechanism. They are made to turn clockwise, always!!!

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Friday, March 1, 2019 at 1:37:53 PM UTC-6, graham wrote:
>
> A lot of people twist them back and forward, thereby ruining the
> grinding mechanism. They are made to turn clockwise, always!!!
>

You nailed it!

[penm...@aol.com]

And always refill before they're empty, before they're grinding metal
against metal.

[Bruce]

That would be the dumbest design ever.

[penm...@aol.com]

On Sat, 02 Mar 2019 09:00:24 +1100, Bruce <br...@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

Bruthe is truly a dumb POS, only a dumbest the likes of you would
grind an empty peppermill.

[Bruce]

Would that sound a bit like when you try to use your brain?

[U.S. Janet B.]

Is that what it is? strange

[Bruce]

On Fri, 01 Mar 2019 17:58:45 -0700, U.S. Janet B. <J...@nospam.com>

Yes, a subtle instruction on the mill would be handy.

[Julie Bove]

"U.S. Janet B." <J...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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I had one for many years but the metal parts rusted. Have not had good luck
with any since.

[Julie Bove]

"graham" <g.st...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:q5c1me$3if$1...@dont-email.me...

I never turn back and forth.

[Julie Bove]

<penm...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Always do.

[Julie Bove]

"Bruce" <br...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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Hehehe!

[Julie Bove]

<Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl> wrote in message
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I do notice the difference. For years, I bought the disposable pre-filled.
Not sure if they still make those or not. I do use a lot of pepper though so
one of those didn't last long. If I have to, I will put peppercorns in a
plastic bag and crush them. Gives a slightly coarser texture than I want but
works in a pinch!

[Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl]

On Sat, 2 Mar 2019 01:12:59 -0800, "Julie Bove"

just get you a mortar and pestle. I sure you can get a small one for a
few bucks somewhere and then you will not ever have to worry about a
grinder again, you will have fresh cracked pepper and/or salt anytime
you want. Here is one for you for like 5 bucks

https://www.hobbylobby.com/Crafts-Hobbies/Kids-Crafts-Activities/Science-Educational/Mortar-Pestle/p/24687

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 3/2/2019 4:12 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> <Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl> wrote in message

>>

>> Now I just buy the precracked pepper in the little red and tins and I
>> am perfectly happy. You will not taste a difference.... It is just
>> like the "organic" fad... There is no taste difference, and the
>> nutritional difference is so small that if you dont eat every single
>> of atom of that particular food then you will never even get a
>> difference, or if you do then the extra time you spend trying to pick
>> apart the food you will have burned any additional nutrition you may
>> have gained. It is all a marketing scheme to get you to buy more crap
>> that is not needed.
>
> I do notice the difference. For years, I bought the disposable
> pre-filled.

Sure, anyone with taste buds can tell the difference.

Back in the 1970's I had breakfast at the home of a business associate I
was going with that morning. He made eggs for us and had a pepper
grinder. I was so impressed with the taste difference I bought one for
us the next weekend. Pepper never tasted so good to me.

Ground spices go to bland quickly as the natural oils and aromatics
flash off.

As for organic foods, no one ever said they taste different, mostly they
are insecticide and chemical free.

Just finished breakfast. Had barely hard boiled eggs and put fresh
ground pepper and kosher salt on them. Damn, they were good. Made for
a heavenly experience.
God Bless.

[Gary]

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> Just finished breakfast. Had barely hard boiled eggs and put fresh
> ground pepper and kosher salt on them. Damn, they were good. Made for
> a heavenly experience.

I had 'breakfast for dinner' last night about 10pm.
Simple...just 4 eggs scrambled to cooked and still moist, s&p.
One piece of rye toast, buttered then cut into 4 strips.
The last strip eaten as dessert with orange marmalade on it.

That rye bread really does go well with eggs.

[Bruce]

If I ate 4 eggs in one hit, I'd start to make strange clucking sounds.

[Sqwertz]

Thanks. They're a little more expensive than others on U.S. Amazon
and slightly lower in reviews stars, but I'll keep them in mind.
How fast do they crank out pepper - a U.K. teaspoon in 4 or less
seconds?

-sw

[Bruce]

On Sat, 2 Mar 2019 14:44:26 -0600, Sqwertz <sqwe...@gmail.invalid>
wrote:

>On Fri, 1 Mar 2019 14:03:05 -0000, Janet wrote:
>
>> In article <1hk1jv5j...@sqwertz.com>, sqwe...@gmail.invalid
>> says...
>>>

>> I have had a Cole and Mason electronic pepper mill for well over 10
>> years, still perfect and in daily use, battery lasts about 2 years.
>>
>> I paid about 20 UKP back then worth every penny; can't find quite the
>> same model but it looks like this
>>
>> https://www.coleandmason.com/salt-and-pepper/electronic-mills/cole-
>> mason-electronic-gourmet-precision-greenwich-stainless-steel-pepper-mill
>>
>> One-handed touch button, perfect for anyone with arthritis or a weak
>> grip.It's one of my favourite kitchen gadgets, so much so I have given
>> them to all my kids.
>
>Thanks. They're a little more expensive than others on U.S. Amazon
>and slightly lower in reviews stars, but I'll keep them in mind.
>How fast do they crank out pepper - a U.K. teaspoon in 4 or less
>seconds?

Because time is of the essence!

[Sqwertz]

On Fri, 01 Mar 2019 07:56:45 -0700, U.S. Janet B. wrote:

> how can you people break a pepper mill?

Easy - they make them cheaper and cheaper every year (or day). Not
like they did 20 and 40 years ago.

My 20 year old grinder (and shaker) was $8/set. It was a cheapo at
Target, but refuses to die. It works OK, but I really don't like it
(small capacity, grind adjustment keeps loosening).

And now that I have serious nerve pain in my hand/forearm (and now
spreading to the other one), I can finally justify buying a new one
- electric this time. And hopefully get some use out of it before I
amputate these damned things myself and won't be able to cook at
all.

-sw

[Sqwertz]

Nah, that's not it (for me at least, maybe for Julie though). These
just suck. The threads on the hopper is also the part that rotates
to grind. It's a shitty design made worse with plastic.

-sw

[Sqwertz]

On Fri, 01 Mar 2019 16:56:18 -0500, penm...@aol.com wrote:

That should be impossible with any competent grinder. The two
mechanisms should never be close enough to touch each other.
Anybody who claims to have been Master Machinist should know that.

-sw

[Sqwertz]

On Fri, 01 Mar 2019 19:26:26 -0500, penm...@aol.com wrote:

Every empty pepper mill that's empty should spin freely without any
friction. Are you really that dumb?

-sw

[Sqwertz]

On Fri, 01 Mar 2019 08:11:20 -0600,
Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl wrote:

> Now I just buy the precracked pepper in the little red and tins and I
> am perfectly happy. You will not taste a difference....

Yes, you most certainly will. There's actually one thing I make
that I insist on using 2+ month-old pre-ground pepper - my salt and
pepper roasted cashews. Because the flavor is THAT different. I
pre-grind a lot at one time and save it just for that purpose
(rather than buying stale pepper).

-sw

[Bruce]

On Sat, 2 Mar 2019 15:07:47 -0600, Sqwertz <sqwe...@gmail.invalid>

wrote:

>On Fri, 01 Mar 2019 19:26:26 -0500, penm...@aol.com wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 02 Mar 2019 09:00:24 +1100, Bruce <br...@invalid.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 01 Mar 2019 16:56:18 -0500, penm...@aol.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Fri, 1 Mar 2019 12:44:13 -0800 (PST), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
>>>><itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Friday, March 1, 2019 at 1:37:53 PM UTC-6, graham wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A lot of people twist them back and forward, thereby ruining the
>>>>>> grinding mechanism. They are made to turn clockwise, always!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>You nailed it!
>>>>
>>>>And always refill before they're empty, before they're grinding metal
>>>>against metal.
>>>
>>>That would be the dumbest design ever.
>>
>> Bruthe is truly a dumb POS, only a dumbest the likes of you would
>> grind an empty peppermill.
>
>Every empty pepper mill that's empty should spin freely without any
>friction. Are you really that dumb?

Yes.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Saturday, March 2, 2019 at 3:11:47 PM UTC-6, Sqwertz wrote:
>
> On Fri, 01 Mar 2019 08:11:20 -0600,
> Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl wrote:
>
> > Now I just buy the precracked pepper in the little red and tins and I
> > am perfectly happy. You will not taste a difference....
>
> Yes, you most certainly will.
>

> -sw
>
I gotta agree. The first time I had freshly ground pepper was at a restaurant.
The guy came over with a pepper grinder about the size of a table leg but boy,
what a difference! Convinced me that week to go out and buy a pepper mill
and have never looked back.

When I need a quantity of fresh ground black pepper I will put peppercorns in
a coffee grinder reserved just for spices. The aroma when I take the top off
is heady for sure.

[Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl]

dudes what ever you have to tell yourselves is fine with me, quite
frankly IDGAF

[Bruce]

We're supposed to read all your rants, but when someone else says
something YDGAF.

[cshenk]

I do get one pre-ground pepper but it's whisky smoked cracked pepper
from Savory Spice Shop. Wonderful stuff!

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

Then why did you feel the need to chime in and say buy the ground pepper in the
cans as we won't be able to tell the difference if you don't care?? If you
can't tell the difference, that's your problem but don't expect us all to bow
to your lack of taste buds.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

Clap! Clap! Clap!

[Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl]

On Sun, 03 Mar 2019 08:59:14 +1100, Bruce <br...@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

The point to me is what they are doing is disagreeing with me just to
disagree because I do not believe in their fairies, and they do not
like my name because of prejudice

[Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl]

On Sat, 2 Mar 2019 15:00:14 -0800 (PST), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"

This is why

Properly stored, ground black pepper will generally stay at best
quality for about 3 to 4 years. ... No, commercially packaged ground
black pepper does not spoil, but it will start to lose potency over
time and not flavor food as intended - the storage time shown is for
best quality only.

https://www.google.com/search?q=does+pepper+go+stale&rlz=1C1AVNE_enUS716US716&oq=does+pepper+go+stale&aqs=chrome..69i57.4315j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8


How long does ground black pepper last? The precise answer depends to
a large extent on storage conditions 葉o maximize the shelf life of
ground black pepper store in a cool, dark cupboard, away from direct
heat or sunlight.
How long does ground black pepper last at room temperature? Properly
stored, ground black pepper will generally stay at best quality for
about 3 to 4 years.

https://stilltasty.com/fooditems/index/16546

Now tell me do you actually think that someone (anyone) is going to
have a small tin of black pepper for over 3 years before they sell it?
what about 2 years what about 1 year? The answer to all of those is
no... It may be a couple of weeks old. So that would mean you would
have to buy pepper and not use it for 3-4 years for it to taste ANY
DIFFERENT...

A pepper mill tastes different for several different reasons.
The first and foremost is that YOU THINK IT is fresher and it is going
to taste different so It tastes different (or so you think)

Different grind different taste

The peppercorn was grown in a different area with a different climate
with different soil so it tastes different.

So to restate what I said at first pepper that is freshly cracked will
taste no different than freshly ground even if the pepper in the tin
is a year old and the others were harvested a week ago(assuming it is
the same kind of pepper)

This is why I need to chime in.. BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT THE FUCK I AM
TALKING ABOUT!!!!

[dsi1]

Fresh ground pepper is likely to be perceived as being more intense than ground because there's a lot of particles and oils being dispensed in the area that you're eating. I don't think any of that is going to be perceivable when the pepper is used in cooking. That's easy enough to test for.

I like to use whole peppercorns when making Filipino style pork adobo. Crunching on the whole berries is what makes that dish special for me. The wife and kids find the experience to be rather unpleasant.

http://www.filipino-food-lovers.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/00.png

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Saturday, March 2, 2019 at 5:39:29 PM UTC-6, Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl wrote:
>
> On Sat, 2 Mar 2019 15:00:14 -0800 (PST), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
> <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>
> >Then why did you feel the need to chime in and say buy the ground pepper in the
> >cans as we won't be able to tell the difference if you don't care?? If you
> >can't tell the difference, that's your problem but don't expect us all to bow
> >to your lack of taste buds.
>
> This is why
>
> Properly stored, ground black pepper will generally stay at best
> quality for about 3 to 4 years. ... No, commercially packaged ground
> black pepper does not spoil, but it will start to lose potency over
> time and not flavor food as intended - the storage time shown is for
> best quality only.
>

And who knows just how long that pre-ground black pepper has been sitting in
the warehouse before it hits the grocery store shelf?

>
> How long does ground black pepper last? The precise answer depends to
> a large extent on storage conditions 葉o maximize the shelf life of
> ground black pepper store in a cool, dark cupboard, away from direct
> heat or sunlight.
>

As I stated above, how long has it been sitting in a warehouse before it gets
to sit on a grocery store shelf?

>
> How long does ground black pepper last at room temperature? Properly
> stored, ground black pepper will generally stay at best quality for
> about 3 to 4 years.
>

How long has it been sitting in a warehouse before hitting the grocery store
shelf?

>
> Now tell me do you actually think that someone (anyone) is going to
> have a small tin of black pepper for over 3 years before they sell it?
> what about 2 years what about 1 year?
>

Do you think a warehouse or a grocery is going to throw away a tin of black
pepper because it's over 3 or 4 years old? Of course not because they know
that clueless people like you will buy it no matter how old it is.

>
> The answer to all of those is
> no... It may be a couple of weeks old. So that would mean you would
> have to buy pepper and not use it for 3-4 years for it to taste ANY
> DIFFERENT...
>

So says the person who does not use and probably has no idea what fresh ground
pepper tastes like. Now that I've made that statement you will come stomping
back in and say you had fresh ground pepper 10,000 times in your if but can
discern no difference.

>
> A pepper mill tastes different for several different reasons.
> The first and foremost is that YOU THINK IT is fresher and it is going
> to taste different so It tastes different (or so you think)
>

No, I make no suppositions as you, I k-n-o-w it tastes different.
>
> Different grind different taste

>
> So to restate what I said at first pepper that is freshly cracked will
> taste no different than freshly ground even if the pepper in the tin
> is a year old and the others were harvested a week ago(assuming it is
> the same kind of pepper)
>

Instead of continually making a fool of yourself, try fresh ground pepper to
that tin of 'fresh' pepper. But I don't think we'll get a truthful answer
from you. It's not in your DNA.

>
> This is why I need to chime in.. BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT THE FUCK I AM
> TALKING ABOUT!!!!
>

You know nothing, you're just a conceited blowhard, Kuth2.

[Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl]

On Sat, 2 Mar 2019 16:46:57 -0800 (PST), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"

<itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:

>On Saturday, March 2, 2019 at 5:39:29 PM UTC-6, Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, 2 Mar 2019 15:00:14 -0800 (PST), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
>> <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>>
>> >Then why did you feel the need to chime in and say buy the ground pepper in the
>> >cans as we won't be able to tell the difference if you don't care?? If you
>> >can't tell the difference, that's your problem but don't expect us all to bow
>> >to your lack of taste buds.
>>
>> This is why
>>
>> Properly stored, ground black pepper will generally stay at best
>> quality for about 3 to 4 years. ... No, commercially packaged ground
>> black pepper does not spoil, but it will start to lose potency over
>> time and not flavor food as intended - the storage time shown is for
>> best quality only.
>>
>And who knows just how long that pre-ground black pepper has been sitting in
>the warehouse before it hits the grocery store shelf?

yeah I guess you may be right, McCormick has so much pepper that they
will need to store it for several years before they send it off to the
three grocery stores that they furnish, It is so amazing that all
three of those grocery stores that they supply are all here in my
city... Just how fucking retarded was that statement you made? I mean
fuck quality of their spices... It does not matter that they are the
biggest spice dealer in the usa, I mean selling 3 year old pepper is
common place...

>>
>> How long does ground black pepper last? The precise answer depends to

>> a large extent on storage conditions ?o maximize the shelf life of

>> ground black pepper store in a cool, dark cupboard, away from direct
>> heat or sunlight.
>>
>As I stated above, how long has it been sitting in a warehouse before it gets
>to sit on a grocery store shelf?

as I asked you above how damn retarded are you thinking that in the
first place?

>>
>> How long does ground black pepper last at room temperature? Properly
>> stored, ground black pepper will generally stay at best quality for
>> about 3 to 4 years.
>>
>How long has it been sitting in a warehouse before hitting the grocery store
>shelf?
>>

Oh and you ask the same dumb ass question three times in a row?? I
guess I need to ask you again just how damn retarded are you?

>> Now tell me do you actually think that someone (anyone) is going to
>> have a small tin of black pepper for over 3 years before they sell it?
>> what about 2 years what about 1 year?
>>
>Do you think a warehouse or a grocery is going to throw away a tin of black
>pepper because it's over 3 or 4 years old? Of course not because they know
>that clueless people like you will buy it no matter how old it is.

Do you really think that a grocery store will have a case of pepper
secreted away in a corner just so they can laugh when they sell a 4
year old pepper?

>>
>> The answer to all of those is
>> no... It may be a couple of weeks old. So that would mean you would
>> have to buy pepper and not use it for 3-4 years for it to taste ANY
>> DIFFERENT...
>>
>So says the person who does not use and probably has no idea what fresh ground
>pepper tastes like. Now that I've made that statement you will come stomping
>back in and say you had fresh ground pepper 10,000 times in your if but can
>discern no difference.

I guess you did not at all read my previous posts

oh wait now I know why you always delete the previous history, Oh well
please let me restate

>So to answer you question , yes it has happened many times....

>Now I just buy the precracked pepper in the little red and tins and I

>am perfectly happy. You will not taste a difference.... It is just

lets see if you can figure out the rest

>>
>> A pepper mill tastes different for several different reasons.
>> The first and foremost is that YOU THINK IT is fresher and it is going
>> to taste different so It tastes different (or so you think)
>>
>No, I make no suppositions as you, I k-n-o-w it tastes different.
>>
>> Different grind different taste
>>
>> So to restate what I said at first pepper that is freshly cracked will
>> taste no different than freshly ground even if the pepper in the tin
>> is a year old and the others were harvested a week ago(assuming it is
>> the same kind of pepper)
>>
>Instead of continually making a fool of yourself, try fresh ground pepper to
>that tin of 'fresh' pepper. But I don't think we'll get a truthful answer
>from you. It's not in your DNA.
>>
>> This is why I need to chime in.. BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT THE FUCK I AM
>> TALKING ABOUT!!!!
>>
>You know nothing, you're just a conceited blowhard, Kuth2.

I know nothing?? then why did you delete my data? and my cites to the
data???

WHo is the blowhard now???
in case you forgot

This is why

Properly stored, ground black pepper will generally stay at best
quality for about 3 to 4 years. ... No, commercially packaged ground
black pepper does not spoil, but it will start to lose potency over
time and not flavor food as intended - the storage time shown is for
best quality only.

https://www.google.com/search?q=does+pepper+go+stale&rlz=1C1AVNE_enUS716US716&oq=does+pepper+go+stale&aqs=chrome..69i57.4315j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

How long does ground black pepper last? The precise answer depends to
a large extent on storage conditions 葉o maximize the shelf life of
ground black pepper store in a cool, dark cupboard, away from direct
heat or sunlight.

How long does ground black pepper last at room temperature? Properly
stored, ground black pepper will generally stay at best quality for
about 3 to 4 years.

https://stilltasty.com/fooditems/index/16546

Now tell me do you actually think that someone (anyone) is going to
have a small tin of black pepper for over 3 years before they sell it?

what about 2 years what about 1 year? The answer to all of those is

no... It may be a couple of weeks old. So that would mean you would
have to buy pepper and not use it for 3-4 years for it to taste ANY
DIFFERENT...

Can you hear me now???

[Jinx the Minx]

> a large extent on storage conditions —to maximize the shelf life of

> ground black pepper store in a cool, dark cupboard, away from direct
> heat or sunlight.
> How long does ground black pepper last at room temperature? Properly
> stored, ground black pepper will generally stay at best quality for
> about 3 to 4 years.
>
> https://stilltasty.com/fooditems/index/16546
>
> Now tell me do you actually think that someone (anyone) is going to
> have a small tin of black pepper for over 3 years before they sell it?
> what about 2 years what about 1 year? The answer to all of those is
> no... It may be a couple of weeks old. So that would mean you would
> have to buy pepper and not use it for 3-4 years for it to taste ANY
> DIFFERENT...
>
>
> Can you hear me now???
>
>
> --
>
> ____/~~~sine qua non~~~\____
>

A couple of week’s old?!?! LMAO. You really know NOTHING of the pepper
trade business.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Saturday, March 2, 2019 at 10:01:43 PM UTC-6, Jinx the Minx wrote:

>
> <Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Can you hear me now???
> >

> A couple of week’s old?!?! LMAO. You really know NOTHING of the pepper
> trade business.
>

Thank you! Just another Kuthe; can't stand to be proven wrong and will argue
even though he's wrong just for the sake of arguing.

[U.S. Janet B.]

On Sun, 3 Mar 2019 04:01:40 -0000 (UTC), Jinx the Minx
<jinx...@yahoo.com> wrote:


snip

>>
>> Now tell me do you actually think that someone (anyone) is going to
>> have a small tin of black pepper for over 3 years before they sell it?
>> what about 2 years what about 1 year? The answer to all of those is
>> no... It may be a couple of weeks old. So that would mean you would
>> have to buy pepper and not use it for 3-4 years for it to taste ANY
>> DIFFERENT...
>>

>A couple of week’s old?!?! LMAO. You really know NOTHING of the pepper
>trade business.

I have seen programs on TV of huge, huge warehouses that contain
these containers/sacks of spices maybe 5x5x5. In certain areas of the
warehouse, workers wear (rebreathers?) due to the deadly dust in the
air from various peppers and spices. These facilities grind spices in
enormous quantities and that kind of volume comes and goes on a
seasonal basis.
http://www.madehow.com/Volume-5/Pepper.html

Pepper that we grind ourselves has a full flavor on the entire tongue
as well as a delightful, rounded aroma. Ground pepper from the little
can bites on the front part of the tongue and that is all.

It is true that supermarkets want to rotate their goods out of the
store a couple of times per week. That has nothing to do with when a
shelf item was produced.
Janet US

[Boron Elgar]

On Sun, 03 Mar 2019 10:42:31 -0700, U.S. Janet B. <J...@nospam.com>
wrote:

My favorite pepper the past few years is Kampot.

https://www.seriouseats.com/2014/04/how-the-worlds-best-pepper-is-grown-kampot-cambodia.html

[U.S. Janet B.]

sounds wonderful although a little rich for my blood, at least through
Amazon. I can imagine the taste.
Janet US

[penm...@aol.com]

On Sat, 2 Mar 2019 16:46:57 -0800 (PST), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"

<itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:

>On Saturday, March 2, 2019 at 5:39:29 PM UTC-6, Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, 2 Mar 2019 15:00:14 -0800 (PST), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
>> <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>>
>> >Then why did you feel the need to chime in and say buy the ground pepper in the
>> >cans as we won't be able to tell the difference if you don't care?? If you
>> >can't tell the difference, that's your problem but don't expect us all to bow
>> >to your lack of taste buds.
>>
>> This is why
>>
>> Properly stored, ground black pepper will generally stay at best
>> quality for about 3 to 4 years. ... No, commercially packaged ground
>> black pepper does not spoil, but it will start to lose potency over
>> time and not flavor food as intended - the storage time shown is for
>> best quality only.
>>
>And who knows just how long that pre-ground black pepper has been sitting in
>the warehouse before it hits the grocery store shelf?
>>
>> How long does ground black pepper last? The precise answer depends to

>> a large extent on storage conditions ?o maximize the shelf life of

Preground peppercorns has that nice aromatic tang from ~10% ground
mouse turds. It's smart to sift through whole peppercorns prior to
using in your spice grinder... you will find rodent poops, rodent
hairs, and insect parts.

[Bruce]

Go Popeye!

[Boron Elgar]

On Sun, 03 Mar 2019 11:47:02 -0700, U.S. Janet B. <J...@nospam.com>
wrote:

I know I did not get it through Amazon, but cannot recall the seller
at all.

I know I ordered a larger amount and vac-packed it.

I see The Spice House carries it cheaper and they are a decent
company.

https://www.thespicehouse.com/kampot-cambodia-black-peppercorns?gclid=Cj0KCQiAk-7jBRD9ARIsAEy8mh7wENn-chrPo937ulXuq2gW1j-e_uAkMaXnXh3LnKDLyD2okJvj3sUaAoAvEALw_wcB

[Ed Pawlowski]

Well,I'm crazy enough to splurge. It is in my Amazon cart. If it is
truly a great taste, it may be worth the extra cost. In the scheme of
life, we don't use all that much pepper in a year to break the budget.

[dsi1]

I like chiltepin pepper. It's the opposite of Kampot pepper in that there's an intense blast of heat that rapidly falls off. The experience is quite different from most peppers. I used to put a few whole berries in my bowl of stew for a real kick. The people that eat this regularly will grind it first. It's not commercially grown although it grows wild in some parts of the mainland.

https://www.slowfoodusa.org/ark-item/chiltepin-pepper

[Boron Elgar]

On Sun, 3 Mar 2019 12:46:19 -0800 (PST), dsi1 <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net>
wrote:

>
>I like chiltepin pepper. It's the opposite of Kampot pepper in that there's an intense blast of heat that rapidly falls off. The experience is quite different from most peppers. I used to put a few whole berries in my bowl of stew for a real kick. The people that eat this regularly will grind it first. It's not commercially grown although it grows wild in some parts of the mainland.
>
>https://www.slowfoodusa.org/ark-item/chiltepin-pepper

That is a capsicum.

[U.S. Janet B.]

I think that is a good attitude. Besides, I am viewing this as a
'topper' rather than in a recipe that calls for x amount of pepper.
Maybe I'm wrong on that.
I'll think on it. I truly do enjoy pepper and always add more to my
personal serving.
Janet US

[Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl]

MMM... TASTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[dsi1]

How can I get some cheap?

[Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl]

On Sun, 3 Mar 2019 15:22:23 -0800 (PST), dsi1 <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net>

wrote:

>On Sunday, March 3, 2019 at 11:22:46 AM UTC-10, Boron Elgar wrote:
>> On Sun, 3 Mar 2019 12:46:19 -0800 (PST), dsi1 <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> >
>> >I like chiltepin pepper. It's the opposite of Kampot pepper in that there's an intense blast of heat that rapidly falls off. The experience is quite different from most peppers. I used to put a few whole berries in my bowl of stew for a real kick. The people that eat this regularly will grind it first. It's not commercially grown although it grows wild in some parts of the mainland.
>> >
>> >https://www.slowfoodusa.org/ark-item/chiltepin-pepper
>>
>> That is a capsicum.
>
>How can I get some cheap?

What is it you are looking for? Just a cheap hot pepper with lots of
flavor? Have you tried dehydrating jalapeno. You dehydrate them whole
with seeds and everything, then when you want to use the you toast
them on a med-hi heat for about 15 seconds on each side, cut the stem
emery out the seeds.. then put in hot water for like 10 minutes and
you have one hell of a hot pepper that has immense flavor, if you want
more heat just leave the seeds in.

[Bruce]

Of course! Who cuts out the good stuff? That would be like buying
whiskey and taking out the alcohol before you drink it.

[dsi1]

On Sunday, March 3, 2019 at 1:35:59 PM UTC-10, Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl wrote:
>
>
> What is it you are looking for? Just a cheap hot pepper with lots of
> flavor? Have you tried dehydrating jalapeno. You dehydrate them whole
> with seeds and everything, then when you want to use the you toast
> them on a med-hi heat for about 15 seconds on each side, cut the stem
> emery out the seeds.. then put in hot water for like 10 minutes and
> you have one hell of a hot pepper that has immense flavor, if you want
> more heat just leave the seeds in.
>
> --
>
> ____/~~~sine qua non~~~\____

I'm looking for cheap dried chiltepin. I had a pill bottle of the stuff but it's all gone. I'm not looking for dried jalapeno at this time.

https://www.pepperscale.com/chiltepin-pepper

[Boron Elgar]

On Sun, 3 Mar 2019 15:22:23 -0800 (PST), dsi1 <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net>

wrote:

>On Sunday, March 3, 2019 at 11:22:46 AM UTC-10, Boron Elgar wrote:
>> On Sun, 3 Mar 2019 12:46:19 -0800 (PST), dsi1 <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> >
>> >I like chiltepin pepper. It's the opposite of Kampot pepper in that there's an intense blast of heat that rapidly falls off. The experience is quite different from most peppers. I used to put a few whole berries in my bowl of stew for a real kick. The people that eat this regularly will grind it first. It's not commercially grown although it grows wild in some parts of the mainland.
>> >
>> >https://www.slowfoodusa.org/ark-item/chiltepin-pepper
>>
>> That is a capsicum.
>
>How can I get some cheap?

Google.

[dsi1]

I already did that.

[Julie Bove]

<Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl> wrote in message
news:8s6l7elo0duo0rpud...@4ax.com...

> On Sat, 2 Mar 2019 01:12:59 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> <juli...@frontier.com> wrote:
>
>>
>><Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl> wrote in message

>>news:kvei7e9vaesn964f6...@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 19:21:39 -0800, "Julie Bove"
>>> <juli...@frontier.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I have two of these Pepper Mills.
>>>>
>>>>https://smile.amazon.com/Pepper-Grinder-Salt-Shaker-Professional/dp/B074Z8JB31/ref=sr_1_6?keywords=pepper+mill&qid=1551410171&s=gateway&sr=8-6
>>>>
>>>>I did not purchase them through Amazon. Can't remember where I got them.
>>>>They came filled with peppercorns. I got two because I like to keep one
>>>>in
>>>>the kitchen and one near the computer. I usually eat here.
>>>>
>>>>Both worked fine until I refilled them. Then something weird happened.
>>>>All
>>>>of a sudden, the grinding mechanism went haywire. When I try to grind,
>>>>it
>>>>chips off a bit of the outside. Out plops almost a whole peppercorn and
>>>>some
>>>>smaller pieces. I did try to adjust the grinding mechanism. That didn't
>>>>help. Almost like it's stuck or something! At least I didn't pay a lot
>>>>for
>>>>them!
>>>>
>>>>Anyone else have this happen?
>>>
>>> well the ones that are prefilled ones are crap, they are usually one
>>> and done. The ones you buy separate are not that much different, you
>>> can sometimes get several weeks out of it maybe a couple of months and
>>> something goes wrong, something falls off or some other crap happens
>>> that just pisses you off cause you just needed like 1/8 of a tsp to
>>> finish the damn recipe and you freakin pepper mill decided to go all
>>> to crap at that exact moment..

>>>
>>> So to answer you question , yes it has happened many times....
>>>
>>> Now I just buy the precracked pepper in the little red and tins and I
>>> am perfectly happy. You will not taste a difference.... It is just

>>> like the "organic" fad... There is no taste difference, and the
>>> nutritional difference is so small that if you dont eat every single
>>> of atom of that particular food then you will never even get a
>>> difference, or if you do then the extra time you spend trying to pick
>>> apart the food you will have burned any additional nutrition you may
>>> have gained. It is all a marketing scheme to get you to buy more crap
>>> that is not needed.
>>
>>I do notice the difference. For years, I bought the disposable pre-filled.

>>Not sure if they still make those or not. I do use a lot of pepper though
>>so
>>one of those didn't last long. If I have to, I will put peppercorns in a
>>plastic bag and crush them. Gives a slightly coarser texture than I want
>>but
>>works in a pinch!
>
>
> just get you a mortar and pestle. I sure you can get a small one for a
> few bucks somewhere and then you will not ever have to worry about a
> grinder again, you will have fresh cracked pepper and/or salt anytime
> you want. Here is one for you for like 5 bucks
>
> https://www.hobbylobby.com/Crafts-Hobbies/Kids-Crafts-Activities/Science-Educational/Mortar-Pestle/p/24687

I have one but do you know what does to peppercorns? I do. They go zinging
around the room. Hard little round things that they are.

[Julie Bove]

<Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl> wrote in message
news:re4m7eplbsc4spic2...@4ax.com...

> a large extent on storage conditions -to maximize the shelf life of

> ground black pepper store in a cool, dark cupboard, away from direct
> heat or sunlight.
> How long does ground black pepper last at room temperature? Properly
> stored, ground black pepper will generally stay at best quality for
> about 3 to 4 years.
>
> https://stilltasty.com/fooditems/index/16546
>
> Now tell me do you actually think that someone (anyone) is going to
> have a small tin of black pepper for over 3 years before they sell it?
> what about 2 years what about 1 year? The answer to all of those is
> no... It may be a couple of weeks old. So that would mean you would
> have to buy pepper and not use it for 3-4 years for it to taste ANY
> DIFFERENT...
>
> A pepper mill tastes different for several different reasons.
> The first and foremost is that YOU THINK IT is fresher and it is going
> to taste different so It tastes different (or so you think)
>
> Different grind different taste
>
> The peppercorn was grown in a different area with a different climate
> with different soil so it tastes different.
>
> So to restate what I said at first pepper that is freshly cracked will
> taste no different than freshly ground even if the pepper in the tin
> is a year old and the others were harvested a week ago(assuming it is
> the same kind of pepper)
>
> This is why I need to chime in.. BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT THE FUCK I AM
> TALKING ABOUT!!!!

That's not true at all. My daughter actually likes the pre-ground due to the
milder taste.

[Julie Bove]

<Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl> wrote in message
news:5eim7et8e7mq0876u...@4ax.com...

> a large extent on storage conditions -to maximize the shelf life of

> ground black pepper store in a cool, dark cupboard, away from direct
> heat or sunlight.
> How long does ground black pepper last at room temperature? Properly
> stored, ground black pepper will generally stay at best quality for
> about 3 to 4 years.
>
> https://stilltasty.com/fooditems/index/16546
>
> Now tell me do you actually think that someone (anyone) is going to
> have a small tin of black pepper for over 3 years before they sell it?
> what about 2 years what about 1 year? The answer to all of those is
> no... It may be a couple of weeks old. So that would mean you would
> have to buy pepper and not use it for 3-4 years for it to taste ANY
> DIFFERENT...
>
>
> Can you hear me now???

Nobody wants to hear you. Most spices should be used within a year of
opening them. Most chefs will tell you that. And some spices taste better
when ground fresh. Nutmeg is another one.

Try leaving the top off of some ground ginger for a week. It won't go bad
but the taste will be much weaker because it has been exposed to the air
after grinding.

Try eating a pinch of ground ginger. Cleanse your palate. Then take a tiny
taste of fresh ginger. The taste difference will blow you away!

[Jinx the Minx]

I wonder if the dried pequin peppers would be a fair substitute? I’ve
gotten those ones from Penzey’s in the past.

[Julie Bove]

<Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl> wrote in message
news:2uoo7e1hd8gnr2vl3...@4ax.com...

I'm eating some now in my black bean soup. I prefer the texture of fresh but
I made this on a whim and had no fresh.

[dsi1]

On Sunday, March 3, 2019 at 6:23:36 PM UTC-10, Jinx the Minx wrote:
>
> I wonder if the dried pequin peppers would be a fair substitute? I’ve
> gotten those ones from Penzey’s in the past.

The pequin probably gets confused with the tepin pepper a lot. They're both tiny and called "bird peppers" because birds like to eat them. In fact, birds play an important role in distributing the seeds over an area. As I recall, the seeds of these peppers have to go through the digestive tract of a bird in order to germinate. We have a wild pepper that is similar to a pequin. We call it a "Hawaiian pepper" but it's also called "bird pepper."

I have seen dried pequins in the Mexican food section of a local supermarket, but have not tried them. What makes the tepin unusual is that the heat builds up at an alarming speed but then dissipates quickly. It's like a roller coaster ride in a tiny package - whee!

[Bruce]

On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 01:36:11 -0800 (PST), dsi1 <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net>
wrote:

Sounds like wasabi (fake wasabi generally): it builds up fast and
leaves fast, whereas most chili peppers are creepers that take their
time to build up and also to leave.

[Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl]

On Sun, 3 Mar 2019 16:04:38 -0800 (PST), dsi1 <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net>
wrote:

Have you been like to home depot or any local nursery? They sometimes
have those potted plants that are completely full of those small but
hot as hell peppers... I was curious one day so I decided to taste one
because I was unsure of the heat.. I just bit into it just to get a
sample of the flavor and that was so hot I could like barely breathe..
And that was just from a small taste...

[Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl]

On Mon, 04 Mar 2019 20:51:11 +1100, Bruce <br...@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

By "fake wasabi" do you just mean horse radish?

[Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl]

yes I am familiar with ginger, I grow the stuff. I have made pumpkin
spice many times and at times made too much and just stored it in the
cabinet, only to come back later and realize that the ginger in it is
basically "flat" with no flavor at all.

[Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl]

The milder tastes is because of the grind not because of the age.. The
finer the grind the more taste..

for instance cayenne pepper is actually just red pepper finely ground
The spicy chili pepper known most famously in Mexican and Indian
cuisines is indeed cayenne, though it is also red. There is no
distinction between cayenne and red pepper aside from the name. Some
manufacturers use one name over the other to distinguish the grade of
"heat" of the pepper powder, but this distinction is not universal. To
clear any confusion in the kitchen, if a recipe calls for cayenne, it
means red, and if it calls for red, it means cayenne. They are
unmistakably interchangeable

https://www.ehow.com/about_5457205_cayenne-pepper-same-red-pepper.html

[Bruce]

Yes, I think that's always the main ingredient. It's called "wasabi"
on the packaging though.

[Cindy Hamilton]

Depends what you're looking for in a flavor profile. I often have
scrambled eggs with jalapenos, but I omit the seeds. What I'm
looking for is a grassy pepper flavor with moderate heat.

Other dishes, I want all the heat and leave the seeds in.

Cindy Hamilton

[Bruce]

Yeah, that makes sense. Personally, I'd always leave the seeds in and
use less chili pepper if necessary.

[Julie Bove]

<Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl> wrote in message
news:e92q7ep44rp13g57f...@4ax.com...

Same with pepper.

[Julie Bove]

<Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl> wrote in message
news:jg2q7ep3t6pbdr42i...@4ax.com...

Nope.

>
> for instance cayenne pepper is actually just red pepper finely ground
> The spicy chili pepper known most famously in Mexican and Indian
> cuisines is indeed cayenne, though it is also red. There is no
> distinction between cayenne and red pepper aside from the name. Some
> manufacturers use one name over the other to distinguish the grade of
> "heat" of the pepper powder, but this distinction is not universal. To
> clear any confusion in the kitchen, if a recipe calls for cayenne, it
> means red, and if it calls for red, it means cayenne. They are
> unmistakably interchangeable
>
> https://www.ehow.com/about_5457205_cayenne-pepper-same-red-pepper.html

I rarely use either. Don't care.

[Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl]

On Mon, 04 Mar 2019 22:29:38 +1100, Bruce <br...@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

Now let me give you a recipe and give me your opinion as to weather
you go seeds or no seeds...

The recipe is simple

Ingredients
Jalapeno peppers
cream cheese
maple syrup
bacon

Cut the peppers in half scrape (or not scrape) the seeds and ribs out,
fill with a cream cheese maple syrup mixture wrap in bacon

Place in an oven until bacon is crisp


Now tell me would you scrape the seeds out or not scrape the seeds
out?

[Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl]

On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 03:53:37 -0800, "Julie Bove"

yes I will agree
however properly stored pepper will last you at least 2-3 years and
retain its flavor...

Ginger, maybe a few weeks you really can not compare the two because
ginger is a moist spice peppercorns are dry

[Boron Elgar]

On Sun, 3 Mar 2019 17:31:38 -0800 (PST), dsi1 <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net>

wrote:

>On Sunday, March 3, 2019 at 3:02:35 PM UTC-10, Boron Elgar wrote:
>> On Sun, 3 Mar 2019 15:22:23 -0800 (PST), dsi1 <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Sunday, March 3, 2019 at 11:22:46 AM UTC-10, Boron Elgar wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 3 Mar 2019 12:46:19 -0800 (PST), dsi1 <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >I like chiltepin pepper. It's the opposite of Kampot pepper in that there's an intense blast of heat that rapidly falls off. The experience is quite different from most peppers. I used to put a few whole berries in my bowl of stew for a real kick. The people that eat this regularly will grind it first. It's not commercially grown although it grows wild in some parts of the mainland.
>> >> >
>> >> >https://www.slowfoodusa.org/ark-item/chiltepin-pepper
>> >>
>> >> That is a capsicum.
>> >
>> >How can I get some cheap?
>>
>> Google.
>
>I already did that.

Polish your skills.

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 3/3/2019 11:04 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> <Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl> wrote in message

>> This is why
>>
>> Properly stored, ground black pepper will generally stay at best
>> quality for about 3 to 4 years. ... No, commercially packaged ground
>> black pepper does not spoil, but it will start to lose potency over
>> time and not flavor food as intended - the storage time shown is for
>> best quality only.
>>
>> https://www.google.com/search?q=does+pepper+go+stale&rlz=1C1AVNE_enUS716US716&oq=does+pepper+go+stale&aqs=chrome..69i57.4315j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
>>

>>

>> A pepper mill tastes different for several different reasons.
>> The first and foremost is that YOU THINK IT is fresher and it is going
>> to taste different so It tastes different (or so you think)
>>
>> Different grind different taste
>>
>> The peppercorn was grown in a different area with a different climate
>> with different soil so it tastes different.
>>
>> So to restate what I said at first pepper that is freshly cracked will
>> taste no different than freshly ground even if the pepper in the tin
>> is a year old and the others were harvested a week ago(assuming it is
>> the same kind of pepper)
>>
>> This is why I need to chime in.. BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT THE FUCK I AM
>> TALKING ABOUT!!!!
>
> That's not true at all. My daughter actually likes the pre-ground due to
> the milder taste.

Seems that Mr. Killer has no taste buds and no, he does not know what he
is talking about.
Ground pepper that commonly comes in a can, is exposed to oxidation. ...
When you grind peppercorns in your own pepper mill, you expose the
sealed un-oxidized center releasing all of the rich flavor and a variety
of benefits. This is why freshly cracked pepper tastes so much better
than pepper that has already been ground.

Mr. Killer probable eats most meals at the Church Social on weekends and
they use the pre-ground pepper and he has gotten used to it. His
choice, of course, some people like bland food.

Carry on. God Bless!

[Bruce]

No, never. If it would become too hot, I'd use less peppers. I thought
Jalapeno peppers were mild anyway.

[Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl]

On Tue, 05 Mar 2019 04:40:42 +1100, Bruce <br...@invalid.invalid>

I didn't guess you followed the recipe too closely, you cant use less
peppers 1 pepper makes 1 stuffed pepper or 2 half's anyway...

If you use a well ripe pepper (the larger the jalapeno the hotter it
will be) it will be very vey very spicy... I know I have made the
recipe before and was not entirely precise when I scraped the seeds
out and perhaps a few stragglers were left behind. I completed the
recipe and they were delicious but oh man they burned the hell out of
my mouth. I am what has been described as a super taster so even a few
of the seeds was hot... and the heat lasted like 10 minutes even after
drinking water, brushing my teeth, rinsing with mouthwash...

[Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl]

Actually I was just talking to bruce about this subject, I am what can
be classified as a super taster.... things that are kinda spicy for
you will make me wince uncomfortably with a spicy lounge

[Bruce]

I'm used to habaneros and they're much stronger. But nobody's going to
fill those and eat them whole, of course. And not just because they're
too small. I've also grown Bishop's crown chillies, but even they are
too hot to eat whole.

[Bruce]

With a spicy lounge?

[Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl]

On Tue, 05 Mar 2019 05:37:09 +1100, Bruce <br...@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

damn corrector... spicy tongue

[Bruce]

That doesn't necessarily mean you're a super taster. You just need
more practice!

[Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl]

On Tue, 05 Mar 2019 07:08:45 +1100, Bruce <br...@invalid.invalid>

a super taster just simply means a person has more taste buds/nerve
endings per cm^3 than the average person... so lets say I have twice
as many taste buds on my tongue than bob. bob tastes some hot sauce
and says DAMN that is spicy... I taste the same hot sauce and it will
be 2x as hot for me and I will most likely scream my head off for 10
minutes

[John Kuthe]

Bryan was a Super taster too! Once in a community garden he used in his neighborhood and we were standing well away from a small grove of basil plants which Bryan detests and I could not even smell them! Bryan was offended by the smell of the basil plants that I did not smell until I walked over to one and pulled a leaf up to my nose and sniffed and I was like "Yeah, basil!"

John Kuthe...

[Bruce]

On Mon, 04 Mar 2019 14:15:53 -0600,

It just means you need more practice. It's not as if Thai or
Indonesian people, for instance, collectively have less taste
buds/nerve ending than white people. They've just had a lot more
practice eating hot food.

[Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl]

taster and smeller are different. Sometimes a person with hearing
problems have a keener nose. Did your friend have a hearing
difficulties?..

Super tasters really just cant handle spicy foods. that is the main
difference.