New Refrigerator

[jmcquown]

I'm expecting delivery of one if not tomorrow then later in the week.

My probably 20 year old GE 23.5 cu. foot side by side fridge started
giving me trouble towards the end of June. I have a home warranty plan
and they sent someone out from Sears to repair it. Service call
deductible is only $45. The evaporator coil was frozen solid. He had
to take the inside of the freezer apart. He used a steamer to defrost
it. He got it working temporarily. He said he'd order the necesary
part but with a fridge that old they likely couldn't get one. Sure
enough...

So, the fridge went out again a few weeks later. Okay warranty people,
talk to the repairman. They can't find the part. Time to replace the
fridge. They initially offered me $499. I disputed that.
Counter-offer: a check for $650. Is that your final offer? Yes. Okay,
I'll take it. Time to shop for a new fridge!

Meanwhile, the freezer side of the mostly kaput fridge is still cold
enough to act as a refrigerator. So I didn't lose *all* my food. And
thank goodness, I have a stand-alone freezer. I have had to buy bags of
ice for cold drinks in the meantime.

I finally got around to buying a new side-by-side fridge on Friday. I
did a *lot* of comparison shopping. I was hoping to buy locally (I
guess I can call Hilton Head "local"). Help small business during the
pandemic, don'tcha know. Bill Wood Appliances. In business for 45
years. The woman I spoke with said they simply didn't have any
refrigerators in stock *because* of the pandemic. Their supply chain
has been disrupted. At least they're still open and someone was there
to answer the phone.

I wound up buying one from Lowe's. There's a Lowe's in town but I
bought it online.

It's a Frigidaire, 22 cu. ft. side by side with ice/water dispenser. I
drink a lot of ice water and I'm soooo not going back to ice cube trays
again! Free delivery but every place now charges for hauling away the
old appliance.

My stand-alone upright freezer is a Frigidaire and I haven't any any
problems with it.

Once again, thanks to the virus, it might be delivered tomorrow but
they'll call ahead of time to let me know. That's a good thing,
actually. I need time to remove what few things are in the old
fridge/freezer before they install the new one and haul the old one away.

At least Lowe's had two of them in stock. Supply seems to be a real
problem everwhere I looked.

Jill

[Snag]

Meanwhile , at The 12 Acre Wood , I'm awaiting the arrival of a new
timer for our washing machine . The old one is getting very noisy and
occasionally doesn't turn the power on to the motor unless you pull it
out forcefully . No service charge and the part was only 136 bucks
delivered .
--
Snag
Illegitimi non
carborundum

[U.S. Janet B.]

On Sun, 9 Aug 2020 13:10:04 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

You are so right. Everyone charges to haul away these days.
Mattresses, refrigerators, sofas. If you can get the refrigerator
guys to haul it to the curb, will your waste management company come
by to haul your old fridge away? Here, if I give them a call, they
have a special truck that does nothing but haul that kind of stuff
away -- you just have to get it to the curb for the special pick up
day.
Janet US

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Sunday, August 9, 2020 at 12:55:15 PM UTC-5, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>
> You are so right. Everyone charges to haul away these days.
> Mattresses, refrigerators, sofas. If you can get the refrigerator
> guys to haul it to the curb, will your waste management company come
> by to haul your old fridge away? Here, if I give them a call, they
> have a special truck that does nothing but haul that kind of stuff
> away -- you just have to get it to the curb for the special pick up
> day.
> Janet US
>

Same here, the city will haul away a large appliance if you get it to
the curb or alley. I think we're allowed 3 haul aways a year but if
you can get it outside the junk man shows up about once a week. He's
happy to haul it away and sell it to a recycling plant.

[Snag]

Out here in the woods there's a guy that has a long running as in the
local paper . Call him and in a couple of days he shows up and the old
appliance is gone . In Memphis it's usually gone from the curb within a
couple of hours , there are guys that cruise the neighborhoods looking
for anything they can scrap for a buck or three . They must do pretty
well , they all seem to drive nice trucks - when they're not working ,
their work trucks are some real junkers .

[Don Wiss]

On Sun, 9 Aug 2020 13:10:04 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net> wrote:

> The evaporator coil was frozen solid. He had
>to take the inside of the freezer apart. He used a steamer to defrost
>it. He got it working temporarily. He said he'd order the necesary
>part but with a fridge that old they likely couldn't get one. Sure
>enough...

The defrost heater has died. A simple fix. I once did it myself. But if you
can't buy the part...

>My stand-alone upright freezer is a Frigidaire and I haven't any any
>problems with it.

If it isn't self-defrost, you don't have a defrost heater. If so, it should
last a long time.

Don. http://paleofood.com/ (e-mail at page bottom).

[jmcquown]

Oh, the haul away charge is $30 and I'll gladly pay it. I'm just happy
I found the refrigerator I needed that is available soon, not next month
or three weeks from now, at a decent price. And that I had the home
warranty to pay for half the cost.

Jill

[jmcquown]

On 8/9/2020 2:59 PM, Don Wiss wrote:
> On Sun, 9 Aug 2020 13:10:04 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> The evaporator coil was frozen solid. He had
>> to take the inside of the freezer apart. He used a steamer to defrost
>> it. He got it working temporarily. He said he'd order the necesary
>> part but with a fridge that old they likely couldn't get one. Sure
>> enough...
>
> The defrost heater has died. A simple fix. I once did it myself. But if you
> can't buy the part...
>

Uh, yeah, the part isn't available. It was the evaporator coil that had
worn out and froze solid. The guy was able to do a temporary fix.

>> My stand-alone upright freezer is a Frigidaire and I haven't any any
>> problems with it.
>
> If it isn't self-defrost, you don't have a defrost heater. If so, it should
> last a long time.
>
> Don. http://paleofood.com/ (e-mail at page bottom).
>

Hey, Don... don't know what you're talking about. I've not had to
manually defrost a fridge/freezer since the early 1980's. No problem
with Frigidaire stand-alone freezer. The current fridge, which is
basically kaput, still keeps things kind of cold on the freezer side.
BUT... it's accumulating frost. I could use a blow-dryer on it like I
did the frosty freezer in the 1980's. Or I could just enjoy the NEW
frost-free side by side fridge/freezer which is scheduled to arrive this
week. :)

Jill

[Silvar Beitel]

On Sunday, August 9, 2020 at 1:10:10 PM UTC-4, jmcquown wrote:

> I finally got around to buying a new side-by-side fridge on Friday. I
> did a *lot* of comparison shopping.

So, what were your criteria and why did you choose the one you did?

(I had a scare yesterday. Fridge/freezer temperature displays read "Err" and "Err" and things weren't quite as cold as they usually are. I went down to the cellar and flipped the breaker off and back on and all was OK again. I have no idea what happened to its tiny little mind, but it has made me somewhat sensitive to future failure, thus my interest. (6-year-old French-door over, roll-out freezer under, with a seriously prodigious ice-maker, which, being standard wimpy Americans, we love. :-) ) )

--
Silvar Beitel


--
Silvar Beitel

[Dave Smith]

Most of the modern appliances have computer electronics in them and
sometimes they just need a reboot. We had a problem with our not all
that old but out of warranty washing machine. My repair guy suggested
unplugging it for a minute or two and then plugging it back in. That was
all it took. However, we ended up having to do that more an more often
and I ended up replacing it.

[jmcquown]

My criteria was simple. About the same size as I'd become used to. No
ice cube trays. Don't need it connected to wi-fi or to have digital
displays. As few electronics as possible. Please don't mention
"motherboard" and refrigerator to me in the same breath. LOL

Jill

[Dave Smith]

On 2020-08-09 4:45 p.m., jmcquown wrote:

> My criteria was simple.  About the same size as I'd become used to.  No
> ice cube trays.  Don't need it connected to wi-fi or to have digital
> displays.  As few electronics as possible.  Please don't mention
> "motherboard" and refrigerator to me in the same breath. LOL
>

I think they all have motherboards these days.

[jmcquown]

"Modern" being the operative word. I think this side-by-side
refrigerator freezer was likely 20 years old.

Jill

[jmcquown]

Not the one I bought.

https://www.lowes.com/pd/Frigidaire-22-cu-ft-Side-by-Side-Refrigerator-with-Ice-Maker-White/1000245223

Jill

[Don Wiss]

On Sun, 9 Aug 2020 16:02:29 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net> wrote:

>Hey, Don... don't know what you're talking about. I've not had to
>manually defrost a fridge/freezer since the early 1980's. No problem
>with Frigidaire stand-alone freezer. The current fridge, which is
>basically kaput, still keeps things kind of cold on the freezer side.
>BUT... it's accumulating frost. I could use a blow-dryer on it like I
>did the frosty freezer in the 1980's. Or I could just enjoy the NEW
>frost-free side by side fridge/freezer which is scheduled to arrive this
>week. :)

I do know what I am talking about. The fact that it still keeps things kind
of cold on the freezer side, and accumulating defrost, is the evidence that
the defrost heater died.

When I had this problem, just like you, I was able to temporarily fix it
with a hair dryer, until the replacement part arrived.

Don. www.donwiss.com (e-mail link at home page bottom).

[Julie Bove]

"jmcquown" <j_mc...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:O5WXG.137652$hQ4....@fx39.iad...

Same here. Not very many new cars available either.

[jmcquown]

On 8/9/2020 5:30 PM, Don Wiss wrote:
> On Sun, 9 Aug 2020 16:02:29 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Hey, Don... don't know what you're talking about. I've not had to
>> manually defrost a fridge/freezer since the early 1980's. No problem
>> with Frigidaire stand-alone freezer. The current fridge, which is
>> basically kaput, still keeps things kind of cold on the freezer side.
>> BUT... it's accumulating frost. I could use a blow-dryer on it like I
>> did the frosty freezer in the 1980's. Or I could just enjoy the NEW
>> frost-free side by side fridge/freezer which is scheduled to arrive this
>> week. :)
>
> I do know what I am talking about.

Yeah, but what you're talking about isn't relevant.

> The fact that it still keeps things kind
> of cold on the freezer side, and accumulating defrost, is the evidence that
> the defrost heater died.
>
> When I had this problem, just like you, I was able to temporarily fix it
> with a hair dryer, until the replacement part arrived.
>
> Don.
>

I know what you said. What I said was the replacement part is no longer
available. The refrigerator side is warm and I don't want to have to
keep futzing with it. So I'm getting a new refrigerator. Okay with you?

Jill

[jmcquown]

I'm not looking for a new car.

Jill

[Dave Smith]

On 2020-08-09 7:18 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
> On 8/9/2020 7:07 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "jmcquown" <j_mc...@comcast.net> wrote in message

>>> At least Lowe's had two of them in stock.  Supply seems to be a real
>>> problem everwhere I looked.
>>
>> Same here. Not very many new cars available either.
>
> I'm not looking for a new car.
>

She probably isn't either, so goodness knows how she would even know
about the car market.

[Don Wiss]

On Sun, 9 Aug 2020 19:17:12 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net> wrote:

>I know what you said. What I said was the replacement part is no longer
>available. The refrigerator side is warm and I don't want to have to
>keep futzing with it. So I'm getting a new refrigerator. Okay with you?

Nothing in any of my replies even implied that buying a new refrigerator

wasn't okay with me. I wrote:

>The defrost heater has died. A simple fix. I once did it myself. But if you
>can't buy the part...

Isn't that clear that if you can't buy the part you can't fix it? And have
to buy a new one.

[jmcquown]

Clear. That's why I wrote I bought a new one.

Jill

[Taxed and Spent]

Did you consider just repairing it? BWAH HAH HAH HAH.

You will probably save a lot in energy cost by replacing a 20 year old
appliance. It will pay for itself in a few years.

[Dave Smith]

Maybe even sooner, depending on the way energy prices go. About 10
years ago my insurance company made me get a new oil tank, and that cost
me about $2500. A few weeks after the new tank was in the gas company
brought a NG line down our street for the new house being built across
the road.... so they paid for that 1/2 mile long line. They told me I
could hook up for free. Having just spend a bundle on a new oil tank I
wanted to get some use out of it. At the time, I was on equal billing at
$300 per month for 10 months.

I kept the oil for two years before taking advantage of switching to
high efficiency NG furnace and NG hot water. I switched to monthly
payments. My biggest bill the first winter was February, $142.

If I scrapped that brand new tank without every filling it I would have
saved paid only about 1/3 of the cost of oil and saved enough to pay for
the new furnace. The payback time was much shorted than I had dreamed.

[Bruce]

On Sun, 9 Aug 2020 20:27:27 -0400, Dave Smith
<adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>On 2020-08-09 8:13 p.m., Taxed and Spent wrote:
>> On 8/9/2020 5:07 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>
>
>>> Clear.  That's why I wrote I bought a new one.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>>
>>
>>
>> Did you consider just repairing it?  BWAH HAH HAH HAH.
>>
>> You will probably save a lot in energy cost by replacing a 20 year old
>> appliance.  It will pay for itself in a few years.
>
>
>
>Maybe even sooner, depending on the way energy prices go.

Or maybe even later, depending on the way energy prices go.

[Don Wiss]

On Sun, 9 Aug 2020 20:07:17 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net> wrote:

>Clear. That's why I wrote I bought a new one.

I posted as you described the problem clearly, you failed to state what
part it was that you couldn't buy. Most people don't have service contracts
on their refrigerator. As a dead defrost heater is probably the second most
common affliction of self-defrost refrigerators and freezers -- after ice
makers -- people here should recognize the problem and its fix.

Some may be ambitious enough, like I, to search the web for a parts list,
get the part number, and search to buy it. But even if not, knowing the
cause of the problem protects one against a service person that is trying
to take advantage of the customer.

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 8/9/2020 4:45 PM, jmcquown wrote:

>>
> My criteria was simple.  About the same size as I'd become used to.  No
> ice cube trays.  Don't need it connected to wi-fi or to have digital
> displays.  As few electronics as possible.  Please don't mention
> "motherboard" and refrigerator to me in the same breath. LOL
>
> Jill

Sounds like a good choice. I'd never have a fridge without an ice maker
and water dispenser.

[graham]

It seems to be a N. American obsession to have ice in everything. I had
a chilled rosé with dinner this evening and I like chilled lager but the
ice-cube trays in the freezer are empty.

[Bruce]

Same here. I wouldn't know what to do with the ice and it's not
exactly cold here most of the time. Maybe they put it in their ice
tea.

[jmcquown]

On 8/9/2020 8:39 PM, Don Wiss wrote:
> On Sun, 9 Aug 2020 20:07:17 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Clear. That's why I wrote I bought a new one.
>
> I posted as you described the problem clearly, you failed to state what
> part it was that you couldn't buy. Most people don't have service contracts
> on their refrigerator. As a dead defrost heater is probably the second most
> common affliction of self-defrost refrigerators and freezers -- after ice
> makers -- people here should recognize the problem and its fix.
>

I'm not an appliance repair person. The repairman mentioned the
evaporator coil. Quite possibly the same thing you're talking about
when you say "defrost heater". <shrug>

> Some may be ambitious enough, like I, to search the web for a parts list,
> get the part number, and search to buy it. But even if not, knowing the
> cause of the problem protects one against a service person that is trying
> to take advantage of the customer.
>
> Don.
>

The home warranty service call fee (deductible) is $45. Without the
warranty company I'd have paid at least $125 just to have someone come
look at it. The technician, who was dispatched by Sears out of
Springwell, Georgia, tried to order the part but ultimately determined
it is not available. The fridge, which I am *guessing* is about 20
years old, was temporarily fixed on July 2nd. Within a few weeks... uh
oh, the ice cream is melting again! I contacted the warranty company.
After a little back and forth it was determined they can't locate the
[whatever] part. So the warranty company is giving me $650 towards
buying a new refrigerator. Hence the subject: New Refrigerator. :)

Jill

[jmcquown]

I've gotten used to it. :) I really didn't want to go back to
constantly refilling ice-cube trays.

Jill

[jmcquown]

Seems to be a British/European thing to not use ice. ;)

Jill

[Bruce]

On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 05:38:28 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

A European thing. British is included in European.

[Cindy Hamilton]

Sorry to burst your bubble:

<https://www.repairclinic.com/PartDetail/Main-Control-Board/5303918538/1795237>

Cindy Hamilton

[Cindy Hamilton]

My husband uses so much ice, our icemaker can't keep up. His
idea of a glass of water is to fill a 32-ounce glass with ice,
then add tap water. He drinks perhaps half a dozen of those
every day.

Cindy Hamilton

[Bruce]

Is that 3.2 kilos/litres? Does he think he's a mermaid? Does he have a
tail?

[Cindy Hamilton]

32 ounces is almost a litre.

Cindy Hamilton

[Bruce]

On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 03:47:27 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton

Oh, I do that too.

[jmcquown]

Okay, thanks for the clarification. Still, it was time for a new fridge
and it was too much to hope for that it not be somehow computerized. I
do sometimes long for the good old days. When appliances lasted 20
years without a motherboard. ;)

Jill

[jmcquown]

I have been seeing a lot of ads on TV for various brands of cars.
Doesn't seem like they're in short supply. You can even get contactless
delivery of a new car right now - like a pizza. LOL

Jill

[Gary]

graham wrote:
>
> On 2020-08-09 9:10 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > On 8/9/2020 4:45 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> >
> >>>

> >> My criteria was simple. About the same size as I'd become used to.
> >> No ice cube trays. Don't need it connected to wi-fi or to have
> >> digital displays. As few electronics as possible. Please don't

> >> mention "motherboard" and refrigerator to me in the same breath. LOL
> >>
> >> Jill
> >

> > Sounds like a good choice. I'd never have a fridge without an ice maker

> > and water dispenser.
>
> It seems to be a N. American obsession to have ice in everything. I had

> a chilled rosé with dinner this evening and I like chilled lager but the

> ice-cube trays in the freezer are empty.

I keep 2 ice cube trays in the freezer but rarely use them.
Often, when I think of them, they have evaporated to tiny size.
Main time I check on them is when my daughter will be coming
for a visit. She likes ice.

[Gary]

jmcquown wrote:
>
> On 8/9/2020 11:10 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > On 8/9/2020 4:45 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> >
> >>>

> >> My criteria was simple. About the same size as I'd become used to.
> >> No ice cube trays. Don't need it connected to wi-fi or to have

> >> digital displays. As few electronics as possible. Please don't

> >> mention "motherboard" and refrigerator to me in the same breath. LOL
> >>
> >> Jill
> >

> > Sounds like a good choice. I'd never have a fridge without an ice maker

> > and water dispenser.
>
> I've gotten used to it. :) I really didn't want to go back to
> constantly refilling ice-cube trays.

No time for that?

[Cindy Hamilton]

It's not the time. It's remembering, filling, spilling, cracking, being
unable to get the cubes out of the damned trays. The entire experience
is outmoded.

That reminds me; I should check the filter on our icemaker line to see
if it needs to be replaced. My husband has probably already taken care
of that.

Cindy Hamilton

[Gary]

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> On Monday, August 10, 2020 at 8:21:18 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> > jmcquown wrote:
> > >
> > > On 8/9/2020 11:10 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > > > On 8/9/2020 4:45 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>>
> > > >> My criteria was simple. About the same size as I'd become used to.
> > > >> No ice cube trays. Don't need it connected to wi-fi or to have
> > > >> digital displays. As few electronics as possible. Please don't
> > > >> mention "motherboard" and refrigerator to me in the same breath. LOL
> > > >>
> > > >> Jill
> > > >
> > > > Sounds like a good choice. I'd never have a fridge without an ice maker
> > > > and water dispenser.
> > >
> > > I've gotten used to it. :) I really didn't want to go back to
> > > constantly refilling ice-cube trays.
> >
> > No time for that?
>
> It's not the time. It's remembering, filling, spilling, cracking, being
> unable to get the cubes out of the damned trays. The entire experience
> is outmoded.

Oh too funny, Cindy. Sounds like an infomertial where someone is
using
a knife to cut vegetables and it slips and shows vegetables going
all
over the kitchen. They portray that as clutsy old way.

Introducing the all new super chopper and all things cut so neat.
All
for only $19.95 and get a second one free (for an extra charge)

Seriously, filling an icecube tray or two is a problem for you?

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 8/10/2020 9:11 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

>
> That reminds me; I should check the filter on our icemaker line to see
> if it needs to be replaced. My husband has probably already taken care
> of that.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>

Mine has a light that goes on. I get 6 months from one. The filters
are not cheap so I tried a generic brand one and it only lasted half the
time and I started getting an off taste Back to the Samsung from now on.

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 8/10/2020 9:27 AM, Gary wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>> On Monday, August 10, 2020 at 8:21:18 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 8/9/2020 11:10 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>> On 8/9/2020 4:45 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>

>>>>>> My criteria was simple. About the same size as I'd become used to.
>>>>>> No ice cube trays. Don't need it connected to wi-fi or to have
>>>>>> digital displays. As few electronics as possible. Please don't

>>>>>> mention "motherboard" and refrigerator to me in the same breath. LOL
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jill
>>>>>

>>>>> Sounds like a good choice. I'd never have a fridge without an ice maker

>>>>> and water dispenser.
>>>>
>>>> I've gotten used to it. :) I really didn't want to go back to
>>>> constantly refilling ice-cube trays.
>>>
>>> No time for that?
>>
>> It's not the time. It's remembering, filling, spilling, cracking, being
>> unable to get the cubes out of the damned trays. The entire experience
>> is outmoded.
>
> Oh too funny, Cindy. Sounds like an infomertial where someone is
> using
> a knife to cut vegetables and it slips and shows vegetables going
> all
> over the kitchen. They portray that as clutsy old way.
>
> Introducing the all new super chopper and all things cut so neat.
> All
> for only $19.95 and get a second one free (for an extra charge)
>
> Seriously, filling an icecube tray or two is a problem for you?
>

It is one of the little annoyances that can be eliminated so some of us
do. I've not shoveled coal for heat either since they invented the
automatic stoker.

I'm willing to pay for some conveniences.

[U.S. Janet B.]

On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 03:37:20 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
<angelica...@yahoo.com> wrote:

I would too. Don't have an ice maker but my drinking water must be
cold, preferred with ice. Tepid water does not make my mouth happy.
I specifically bought a water bottle(s) that will accept larger ice
cubes. There must be more people like me because I see now that most
water bottles come with the wider mouth.
Janet US

[Gary]

Didn't you even have a heated steering wheel for your car?

[Cindy Hamilton]

Not anymore.

And, yes, I was always kind of klutzy about filling ice cube trays.
Water on the floor, water spilled in the frezer.

Not being a luddite like you, I welcomed the icemaker.

Look, you don't use ice. We use as much ice as our icemaker can make,
plus two 7-pound bags that I buy every week. Our freezer would be
half full of ice trays. No, thank you.


Cindy Hamilton

[Cindy Hamilton]

Nice. We just write the installation date on the filter when we install
it.

Cindy Hamilton

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 8/10/2020 11:18 AM, Gary wrote:
> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>> On 8/10/2020 9:27 AM, Gary wrote:
>>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, August 10, 2020 at 8:21:18 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
>>>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8/9/2020 11:10 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>>>> On 8/9/2020 4:45 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> My criteria was simple. About the same size as I'd become used to.
>>>>>>>> No ice cube trays. Don't need it connected to wi-fi or to have
>>>>>>>> digital displays. As few electronics as possible. Please don't

>>>>>>>> mention "motherboard" and refrigerator to me in the same breath. LOL
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jill
>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Sounds like a good choice. I'd never have a fridge without an ice maker

>>>>>>> and water dispenser.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've gotten used to it. :) I really didn't want to go back to
>>>>>> constantly refilling ice-cube trays.
>>>>>
>>>>> No time for that?
>>>>
>>>> It's not the time. It's remembering, filling, spilling, cracking, being
>>>> unable to get the cubes out of the damned trays. The entire experience
>>>> is outmoded.
>>>
>>> Oh too funny, Cindy. Sounds like an infomertial where someone is
>>> using
>>> a knife to cut vegetables and it slips and shows vegetables going
>>> all
>>> over the kitchen. They portray that as clutsy old way.
>>>
>>> Introducing the all new super chopper and all things cut so neat.
>>> All
>>> for only $19.95 and get a second one free (for an extra charge)
>>>
>>> Seriously, filling an icecube tray or two is a problem for you?
>>>
>>
>> It is one of the little annoyances that can be eliminated so some of us
>> do. I've not shoveled coal for heat either since they invented the
>> automatic stoker.
>>
>> I'm willing to pay for some conveniences.
>
> Didn't you even have a heated steering wheel for your car?
>

Yes, and a towel warmer in the bathroom.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

This doesn't have a darn thing to do with water filters. But if I don't
write it on the kitchen calendar when I get a new one to change a/c
filters every three months, they'd never get changed. Pens and markers
still have a use in this day and age.

:o)

[Hank Rogers]

I know what's on yoose mind Druce.

[Bruce]

Old people...

[Sheldon Martin]

On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 03:37:20 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
<angelica...@yahoo.com> wrote:

If he had any intellect he'd keep a couple gallon jugs of water in the
fridge... would give him a big headstart on how much ice he'd go
throug... and he'd not need to use so large a glass.... probably sits
out melting for hours.

Our fridge has no ice maker, wouldn't want one... those things
literally make stinking ice, picks up all the odors from the food in
the fridge... and no one but no one cleans their ice maker every day,
most never clean them ever ... WTF is the point of top shelf booze or
any beverage with ice cubes that stink from last night's fried fish.
Anyone who claims to use as much ice as your hubby needs to invest in
a countertop icemaker. And besides fridge ice makers take up about a
third the freezer space, and they're something that's prone to break
down... they also place a big drain on the fridge, cuts the life of
the compressor by half. Makes a lot more cents to have a stand alone
icemaker and it still requires regular cleaning.

With only the two of us four ice cube trays is more than adequate,
they get rotated with each fill and are washed regularly. When we
have company a large bag of Klear Kubes from the convenience store is
very inexpensive. I store my Crystal Palace and Diet Sprite in the
fridge, keeps plenty cold so needs little ice... my 20 ounce glass
lives in the freezer. My wife keeps her two quart water bottles
filled in the freezer, she takes two when she golfs, they're still icy
after 18 holes... at 72 she still walks the course, no cart, and no
golf cart ass. She says golfers who ride get zero exercize... she
says that's why Tiger Woods is in lousy physical shape, he always
rides and never carries his clubs.

[Sheldon Martin]

I hope yoose go to a Urologist often to have yoose prostate checked.

[Cindy Hamilton]

Heh. We have a sheet of paper affixed to the furnace plenum by a magnet
and a pencil hung nearby with a piece of string. At least we know how
late we were.

Cindy Hamilton

[Hank Rogers]

Why? He doesn't have one.

[Sheldon Martin]

On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 09:15:17 -0600, U.S. Janet B. <J...@nospam.com>
wrote:

Nah, most are intelligent enough to keep their water bottles in the
freezer.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

My furnace is in the basement and the fresh air return and grill that
hold the filter are in the hallway; thus the calendar. I probably
don't go in the basement but maybe once a year.

[Sheldon Martin]

Go to the nearest convenience store and spend $2.49 on your daughter
for a large bag of Klear Kubes.

[Sheldon Martin]

On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 05:36:37 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

>On 8/9/2020 11:10 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 8/9/2020 4:45 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>>>

>>> My criteria was simple.  About the same size as I'd become used to.
>>> No ice cube trays.  Don't need it connected to wi-fi or to have

>>> digital displays.  As few electronics as possible.  Please don't

>>> mention "motherboard" and refrigerator to me in the same breath. LOL
>>>
>>> Jill
>>

>> Sounds like a good choice.  I'd never have a fridge without an ice maker
>> and water dispenser.
>

>I've gotten used to it. :) I really didn't want to go back to
>constantly refilling ice-cube trays.
>

>Jill

It's just you, how many ice cube trays do you use?
It's two of us, I must fill the four ice cube trays a whopping twice a
day.

[Cindy Hamilton]

Ah. All our mechanicals are in the basement.

I go down there every day or two to get something out of (or put something
into) the second refrigerator.

Cindy Hamilton

[Sheldon Martin]

>Cindy Hamilton\

Definitely something wrong with your brain... takes me less than two
minutes to fill two ice cube trays. All I can think is that your ass
is too fat to get up from the couch.

[Hank Rogers]

Poor Popeye! Yoose deserve a break. Pour yooself a tall glass of
crystal palace.

[Bruce]

On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 14:59:51 -0400, Sheldon Martin <penm...@aol.com>

Because I drink a litre of water a day?

[Dave Smith]

On 2020-08-10 3:05 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
:o)
>
> Heh. We have a sheet of paper affixed to the furnace plenum by a magnet
> and a pencil hung nearby with a piece of string. At least we know how
> late we were.

If you went by the calls you get from duct cleaning services saying that
it is time to get them done again it would probably be an adequate
reminder for the filter change.

[Cindy Hamilton]

We don't get those calls. Benefit of not having a landline.

We have two filters. One serves as a prefilter. It uses something like
this:

<https://www.grainger.com/product/5W498>

We try to change that once a month.

The other filter is a big pleated job. I think we change that twice a year.

Cindy Hamilton

[Dave Smith]

On 2020-08-10 4:34 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Monday, August 10, 2020 at 4:18:45 PM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2020-08-10 3:05 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> :o)
>>>
>>> Heh. We have a sheet of paper affixed to the furnace plenum by a magnet
>>> and a pencil hung nearby with a piece of string. At least we know how
>>> late we were.
>>
>> If you went by the calls you get from duct cleaning services saying that
>> it is time to get them done again it would probably be an adequate
>> reminder for the filter change.
>
> We don't get those calls. Benefit of not having a landline.

I got one on my cell phone a couple nights ago.

>
> We have two filters. One serves as a prefilter. It uses something like
> this:
>
> <https://www.grainger.com/product/5W498>
>
> We try to change that once a month.
>
> The other filter is a big pleated job. I think we change that twice a year.
>

When I got my new furnace and AC a few years back I asked the installer
about filters. He said to just get the cheap ones and change them monthly.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Monday, August 10, 2020 at 2:34:39 PM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> Ah. All our mechanicals are in the basement.
>
> I go down there every day or two to get something out of (or put something
> into) the second refrigerator.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>

My furnace, water heater, and a sump pump are the only thing down there.
It's a dugout with a vapor barrier laid on the dirt floor and thankfully
there is no reason for me to go to that dungeon.

[Hank Rogers]

Popeye really enjoys his trips to get his prostate checked.

[U.S. Janet B.]

On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 15:11:42 -0400, Sheldon Martin <penm...@aol.com>

water bottles generally instruct the buyer not to put them in the
freezer. Having it in the freezer does me no good when I want a
water bottle bed side during the night. With ice, my water bottle
still has ice 36-40 hours later.
Janet US

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Monday, August 10, 2020 at 4:50:21 PM UTC-5, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>
> water bottles generally instruct the buyer not to put them in the
> freezer. Having it in the freezer does me no good when I want a
> water bottle bed side during the night. With ice, my water bottle
> still has ice 36-40 hours later.
> Janet US
>

I've got two water bottles in the refrigerator. One is just a 24 or 26
ounce one with a 'built-in' straw and I drink out of it throughout the
day. The other one is a 34 or 36-ounce metal insulated bottle and it
goes with me when I leave the house. It stays in the 'frig door a bit
over 3/4 full of water and I have one of those blue ice 'sticks' that
stays in the freezer. When I head out the door the 'stick' goes in that
insulated bottle and the water stays COLD for at least 24-36 hours.

[Dave Smith]

I may be the oddball in the group, but I don't get all that excited
about ice water. I drink a lot of water every day, much of it at room
temperature. Sometimes I keep some in the fridge. I public water
fountains and many of them are cooled. I carry a refillable plastic
bottle full of water in a bag on my motorcycle. Most times I am out
riding that water is likely to be almost warm, but it still works for me.

>

[Lucretia Borgia]

Talking about heading out the door, how's the biking going?

[cshenk]

U.S. Janet B. wrote:

> On Sun, 9 Aug 2020 13:10:04 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> > I'm expecting delivery of one if not tomorrow then later in the
> > week.
> >
> > My probably 20 year old GE 23.5 cu. foot side by side fridge
> > started giving me trouble towards the end of June. I have a home
> > warranty plan and they sent someone out from Sears to repair it.
> > Service call deductible is only $45. The evaporator coil was
> > frozen solid. He had to take the inside of the freezer apart. He
> > used a steamer to defrost it. He got it working temporarily. He
> > said he'd order the necesary part but with a fridge that old they
> > likely couldn't get one. Sure enough...
> >
> > So, the fridge went out again a few weeks later. Okay warranty
> > people, talk to the repairman. They can't find the part. Time to
> > replace the fridge. They initially offered me $499. I disputed
> > that. Counter-offer: a check for $650. Is that your final offer?
> > Yes. Okay, I'll take it. Time to shop for a new fridge!
> >
> > Meanwhile, the freezer side of the mostly kaput fridge is still
> > cold enough to act as a refrigerator. So I didn't lose all my
> > food. And thank goodness, I have a stand-alone freezer. I have
> > had to buy bags of ice for cold drinks in the meantime.
> >
> > I finally got around to buying a new side-by-side fridge on Friday.
> > I did a lot of comparison shopping. I was hoping to buy locally (I
> > guess I can call Hilton Head "local"). Help small business during
> > the pandemic, don'tcha know. Bill Wood Appliances. In business
> > for 45 years. The woman I spoke with said they simply didn't have
> > any refrigerators in stock because of the pandemic. Their supply
> > chain has been disrupted. At least they're still open and someone
> > was there to answer the phone.
> >
> > I wound up buying one from Lowe's. There's a Lowe's in town but I
> > bought it online.
> >
> > It's a Frigidaire, 22 cu. ft. side by side with ice/water
> > dispenser. I drink a lot of ice water and I'm soooo not going back
> > to ice cube trays again! Free delivery but every place now charges
> > for hauling away the old appliance.
> >
> > My stand-alone upright freezer is a Frigidaire and I haven't any
> > any problems with it.
> >
> > Once again, thanks to the virus, it might be delivered tomorrow but
> > they'll call ahead of time to let me know. That's a good thing,
> > actually. I need time to remove what few things are in the old
> > fridge/freezer before they install the new one and haul the old one
> > away.
> >
> > At least Lowe's had two of them in stock. Supply seems to be a
> > real problem everwhere I looked.
> >
> > Jill
>
> You are so right. Everyone charges to haul away these days.
> Mattresses, refrigerators, sofas. If you can get the refrigerator
> guys to haul it to the curb, will your waste management company come
> by to haul your old fridge away? Here, if I give them a call, they
> have a special truck that does nothing but haul that kind of stuff
> away -- you just have to get it to the curb for the special pick up
> day.
> Janet US

When we got our new one, we paid for haul away but ended up freecycling
it locally to a family that needed it, which was better than landfill
destination. It was still fully working.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Monday, August 10, 2020 at 5:37:19 PM UTC-5, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>
> Talking about heading out the door, how's the biking going?
>

Great! But on some days when it super hot and the humidity is sweltering
I don't ride.

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Monday, August 10, 2020 at 4:47:46 PM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2020-08-10 4:34 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Monday, August 10, 2020 at 4:18:45 PM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
> >> On 2020-08-10 3:05 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >> :o)
> >>>
> >>> Heh. We have a sheet of paper affixed to the furnace plenum by a magnet
> >>> and a pencil hung nearby with a piece of string. At least we know how
> >>> late we were.
> >>
> >> If you went by the calls you get from duct cleaning services saying that
> >> it is time to get them done again it would probably be an adequate
> >> reminder for the filter change.
> >
> > We don't get those calls. Benefit of not having a landline.
>
> I got one on my cell phone a couple nights ago.

Perhaps I do too. I rarely answer unless I recognize the number.

> >
> > We have two filters. One serves as a prefilter. It uses something like
> > this:
> >
> > <https://www.grainger.com/product/5W498>
> >
> > We try to change that once a month.
> >
> > The other filter is a big pleated job. I think we change that twice a year.
> >
>
>
> When I got my new furnace and AC a few years back I asked the installer
> about filters. He said to just get the cheap ones and change them monthly.

My asthmatic husband is in charge of air quality.

Cindy Hamilton

[Cindy Hamilton]

Ah. Mine's 6-7 feet tall with concrete block walls and a concrete
floor. A proper Northern basement.

How tall is yours?

Cindy Hamilton

[Gary]

Sheldon Martin wrote:

>
> Gary wrote:
> >I keep 2 ice cube trays in the freezer but rarely use them.
> >Often, when I think of them, they have evaporated to tiny size.
> >Main time I check on them is when my daughter will be coming
> >for a visit. She likes ice.
>
> Go to the nearest convenience store and spend $2.49 on your daughter
> for a large bag of Klear Kubes.

That clear ice is cool but I wouldn't need that for daughter.
She makes coffee and immediately turns it into ice coffee.
She only uses one tray per visit.

Interestingly, when the swamps of my local state park freezes
over (not for many years now), it's perfectly clear ice. You
can walk over it and see the bottom perfectly about 12" down.

Any other ponds or lakes here freeze to frosty ice.

[Lucretia Borgia]

With the pandemic I notice many more bikes around, that's good, we
have long had bike lanes that nobody seemed to use.

[Gary]

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> Gary wrote:
> > Didn't you even have a heated steering wheel for your car?
> >
>
> Yes, and a towel warmer in the bathroom.

I forgot about the towel warmer. Too funny.

I just did an image search. I'm surprised that someone
invented such a thing. Even more surprised that someone
would buy one.

Maybe that was helpful to your wife though so I'll stop.

[graham]

Also a lot more dogs!

[Dave Smith]

On 2020-08-11 7:03 a.m., Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 20:18:56 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"

>> Great! But on some days when it super hot and the humidity is sweltering
>> I don't ride.
>
> With the pandemic I notice many more bikes around, that's good, we
> have long had bike lanes that nobody seemed to use.
>

The city of Toronto expanded its bike lane program for the pandemic. It
is going to be reviewed at some point. It is a great idea for the
summer but Toronto's climate is not conducive to year round cycling. It
isn't a lot of fun bicycling in the snow.

[Mike Duffy]

On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 09:58:04 -0400, Dave Smith wrote:

> Toronto [...] It isn't a lot of fun bicycling in the snow.

PFfft. You call *that* snow?

Get a snow bike then. NOT the motorized ones, but the pedalized ones with
really wide tires. (8")

Note: If you do a web search for "Snow Bike", you will instead get
pictures of the ones with motors that look a lot like a dirt motorbike
but with a fat back wheel & ski at front. Some even replace the tire with
a tread.

I suspect though, that one would need to adjust the 'standard' method
used with a normal snowmobile to cross ice that is not thick enough to
support the weight of the snowmobile plus operator.

[Ed Pawlowski]

No hole in the ground here. Goat barns operate on one floor.

[jmcquown]

Sorry it took so long for me to finally answer your question, Janet!
The waste desposal company I use (a small local outfit) would have
charged $50 to haul it away. In my neighborhood you aren't allowed to
have broken appliances sitting out by the curb even for a day or two.

Moot point since the new refrigerator hasn't arrived yet. I bought
another big bag of ice today.

Jill

[jmcquown]

On 8/10/2020 8:21 AM, Gary wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:

>>
>> On 8/9/2020 11:10 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> On 8/9/2020 4:45 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>>>>

>>>> My criteria was simple. About the same size as I'd become used to.
>>>> No ice cube trays. Don't need it connected to wi-fi or to have

>>>> digital displays. As few electronics as possible. Please don't

>>>> mention "motherboard" and refrigerator to me in the same breath. LOL
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>

>>> Sounds like a good choice. I'd never have a fridge without an ice maker
>>> and water dispenser.
>>

>> I've gotten used to it. :) I really didn't want to go back to
>> constantly refilling ice-cube trays.
>

> No time for that?
>
It's not a matter of time. It's a matter of using a lot of ice.

Jill

[jmcquown]

On 8/10/2020 9:11 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> On Monday, August 10, 2020 at 8:21:18 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>> On 8/9/2020 11:10 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>> On 8/9/2020 4:45 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> My criteria was simple. About the same size as I'd become used to.
>>>>> No ice cube trays. Don't need it connected to wi-fi or to have
>>>>> digital displays. As few electronics as possible. Please don't
>>>>> mention "motherboard" and refrigerator to me in the same breath. LOL
>>>>>
>>>>> Jill
>>>>
>>>> Sounds like a good choice. I'd never have a fridge without an ice maker
>>>> and water dispenser.
>>>
>>> I've gotten used to it. :) I really didn't want to go back to
>>> constantly refilling ice-cube trays.
>>
>> No time for that?
>

[jmcquown]

On 8/10/2020 9:27 AM, Gary wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>> On Monday, August 10, 2020 at 8:21:18 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 8/9/2020 11:10 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>> On 8/9/2020 4:45 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>

>>>>>> My criteria was simple. About the same size as I'd become used to.
>>>>>> No ice cube trays. Don't need it connected to wi-fi or to have
>>>>>> digital displays. As few electronics as possible. Please don't

>>>>>> mention "motherboard" and refrigerator to me in the same breath. LOL
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jill
>>>>>

>>>>> Sounds like a good choice. I'd never have a fridge without an ice maker

>>>>> and water dispenser.
>>>>
>>>> I've gotten used to it. :) I really didn't want to go back to
>>>> constantly refilling ice-cube trays.
>>>
>>> No time for that?
>>
>> It's not the time. It's remembering, filling, spilling, cracking, being
>> unable to get the cubes out of the damned trays. The entire experience
>> is outmoded.
>

> Oh too funny, Cindy. Sounds like an infomertial
>
> Seriously, filling an icecube tray or two is a problem for you?
>
Obviously you don't use a lot of ice.

Jill

[jmcquown]

On 8/10/2020 8:36 PM, cshenk wrote:
> U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 9 Aug 2020 13:10:04 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm expecting delivery of one if not tomorrow then later in the
>>> week.
>>>

>>> I wound up buying one from Lowe's. There's a Lowe's in town but I
>>> bought it online.
>>>
>>> It's a Frigidaire, 22 cu. ft. side by side with ice/water
>>> dispenser. I drink a lot of ice water and I'm soooo not going back
>>> to ice cube trays again! Free delivery but every place now charges
>>> for hauling away the old appliance.
>>>

>>> Once again, thanks to the virus, it might be delivered tomorrow but
>>> they'll call ahead of time to let me know. That's a good thing,
>>> actually. I need time to remove what few things are in the old
>>> fridge/freezer before they install the new one and haul the old one
>>> away.
>>>
>>> At least Lowe's had two of them in stock. Supply seems to be a
>>> real problem everwhere I looked.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> You are so right. Everyone charges to haul away these days.
>> Mattresses, refrigerators, sofas. If you can get the refrigerator
>> guys to haul it to the curb, will your waste management company come
>> by to haul your old fridge away? Here, if I give them a call, they
>> have a special truck that does nothing but haul that kind of stuff
>> away -- you just have to get it to the curb for the special pick up
>> day.
>> Janet US
>
> When we got our new one, we paid for haul away but ended up freecycling
> it locally to a family that needed it, which was better than landfill
> destination. It was still fully working.
>

There's the difference. Your old refrigerator, which you ultimately
freecycled, was still fully working. I can reliably report this (likely
20 year old) side-by-side wasn't fully working. I couldn't keep milk
from curdling. Ice cream melted. No more ice, no more cold water.
Ultimately the technician said they don't make the part for it anymore.
(Evaporator coil, defrost whatever.) However altruistic as it may
sound, I wouldn't foist this ancient refrigererator/freezer on anyone.

Jill

[U.S. Janet B.]

On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 16:07:24 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

bummer about the ice. Fingers crossed
Janet US

[Dave Smith]

On 2020-08-11 4:07 p.m., jmcquown wrote:

> Sorry it took so long for me to finally answer your question, Janet! The
> waste desposal company I use (a small local outfit) would have charged
> $50 to haul it away.  In my neighborhood you aren't allowed to have
> broken appliances sitting out by the curb even for a day or two.
>
> Moot point since the new refrigerator hasn't arrived yet. I bought
> another big bag of ice today.

I had to by four appliances last year, one at a time. It was $20 for
removal of the old appliance.
I could put it out by the road and call the region and they will arrange
to pick it up..... or.... I can put it out by the road and it will be
gone on a couple hours. There seems to always be people driving by
looking for scrap.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 4:33:57 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> I had to by four appliances last year, one at a time. It was $20 for
> removal of the old appliance.
> I could put it out by the road and call the region and they will arrange
> to pick it up..... or.... I can put it out by the road and it will be
> gone on a couple hours. There seems to always be people driving by
> looking for scrap.
>

Same here. If some sort of scrap metal or appliance is placed in the
alley around here it's pushing it if it stays there more than 24 hours.

[Sheldon Martin]

The family operated appliance stores here removes the old appliances,
no charge. Was the same on Lung Guyland. They strip the parts off,
there's a good market for knobs, handles, shelves, etc.

[jmcquown]

Some people who live up north with very cold winter temperatures and
tile or even wood floors install ambient floor heat.

Jill

[cshenk]

Probably not but I like to keep stuff out of landfill. Harmless quirk
of mine. Yours probably is repairable for a handy person but probably
not worth it if you had to have a tech come out. Either way, mine's
now another's garage fridge.

[Lucretia Borgia]

Thats not necessarily a good thing. A friends ancient 'fridge which
they kept in the basement for pop, extra food etc, white wine finally
bit the dust. When it was gone their power bill was nearly halved. So
keeping an old 'fridge is bad, they didn't have the insulation in them
then and they consumed power madly.

[cshenk]

It was energy star (circa 2000). They are better at that now but it's
not a total hog.

[Julie Bove]

"jmcquown" <j_mc...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:2v%XG.167483$575....@fx38.iad...
> On 8/9/2020 7:07 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "jmcquown" <j_mc...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:O5WXG.137652$hQ4....@fx39.iad...

>>> I'm expecting delivery of one if not tomorrow then later in the week.
>>>

>>> My probably 20 year old GE 23.5 cu. foot side by side fridge started
>>> giving me trouble towards the end of June. I have a home warranty plan
>>> and they sent someone out from Sears to repair it. Service call
>>> deductible is only $45. The evaporator coil was frozen solid. He had to
>>> take the inside of the freezer apart. He used a steamer to defrost it.
>>> He got it working temporarily. He said he'd order the necesary part but
>>> with a fridge that old they likely couldn't get one. Sure enough...
>>>
>>> So, the fridge went out again a few weeks later. Okay warranty people,
>>> talk to the repairman. They can't find the part. Time to replace the
>>> fridge. They initially offered me $499. I disputed that. Counter-offer:
>>> a check for $650. Is that your final offer? Yes. Okay, I'll take it.
>>> Time to shop for a new fridge!
>>>
>>> Meanwhile, the freezer side of the mostly kaput fridge is still cold

>>> enough to act as a refrigerator. So I didn't lose *all* my food. And

>>> thank goodness, I have a stand-alone freezer. I have had to buy bags of
>>> ice for cold drinks in the meantime.
>>>
>>> I finally got around to buying a new side-by-side fridge on Friday. I

>>> did a *lot* of comparison shopping. I was hoping to buy locally (I guess

>>> I can call Hilton Head "local"). Help small business during the
>>> pandemic, don'tcha know. Bill Wood Appliances. In business for 45 years.
>>> The woman I spoke with said they simply didn't have any refrigerators in

>>> stock *because* of the pandemic. Their supply chain has been disrupted.

>>> At least they're still open and someone was there to answer the phone.
>>>

>>> I wound up buying one from Lowe's. There's a Lowe's in town but I bought
>>> it online.
>>>
>>> It's a Frigidaire, 22 cu. ft. side by side with ice/water dispenser. I
>>> drink a lot of ice water and I'm soooo not going back to ice cube trays
>>> again! Free delivery but every place now charges for hauling away the
>>> old appliance.
>>>

>>> My stand-alone upright freezer is a Frigidaire and I haven't any any
>>> problems with it.
>>>

>>> Once again, thanks to the virus, it might be delivered tomorrow but
>>> they'll call ahead of time to let me know. That's a good thing,
>>> actually. I need time to remove what few things are in the old
>>> fridge/freezer before they install the new one and haul the old one
>>> away.
>>>
>>> At least Lowe's had two of them in stock. Supply seems to be a real
>>> problem everwhere I looked.
>>

>> Same here. Not very many new cars available either.
>
> I'm not looking for a new car.

I didn't say that you were.

[Julie Bove]

"Dave Smith" <adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:yU%XG.151197$HY4....@fx37.iad...

> On 2020-08-09 7:18 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
>> On 8/9/2020 7:07 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>> "jmcquown" <j_mc...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>

>>>> At least Lowe's had two of them in stock. Supply seems to be a real
>>>> problem everwhere I looked.
>>>
>>> Same here. Not very many new cars available either.
>>
>> I'm not looking for a new car.
>>
>

> She probably isn't either, so goodness knows how she would even know about
> the car market.

Because I took my car in for service.