Third time the charm ?

[Snag]

Since I couldn't find it locally I ordered a bottle of dark soy sauce
on the interwebs . And now that it's here I plan on trying that lo mein
recipe again . It was pretty good with just the regular soy sauce , the
dark is supposed to bring a whole new flavor . I may finally be able to
make a lo mein that compares with our favorite from a Chinese restaurant
I used to deliver for .
--
Snag
Yes , I'm old
and crotchety - and armed .
Get outta my woods !

[U.S. Janet B.]

On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 13:48:19 -0500, Snag <snag...@msn.com> wrote:

> Since I couldn't find it locally I ordered a bottle of dark soy sauce
>on the interwebs . And now that it's here I plan on trying that lo mein
>recipe again . It was pretty good with just the regular soy sauce , the
>dark is supposed to bring a whole new flavor . I may finally be able to
>make a lo mein that compares with our favorite from a Chinese restaurant
>I used to deliver for .

report back please. I've wondered myself.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

Yes, please report back.

[dsi1]

Mostly, you'd use the dark soy sauce with the light soy sauce to change the appearance of food. It's quite a powerful agent in that regard. The dark stuff will have a distinct taste of molasses but I don't use it for taste - just color. It takes some practice to get an idea of what you want your dish to look like and how much to use. Start out small and think of dark soy as a coloring agent, not one of flavor.

https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared/DJWMbKZRRX-Sz-fpHqtmNw.DoR33ML0DqQ29FTyOSsdhq

[Snag]

I tasted it when it came , and there will most definitely be a flavor
component involved . I did not detect even a hint of molasses .

[dsi1]

Yes, dark soy sauce has flavor. The reality is that you don't use it for the flavor. It matters little if you don't believe me.

[Bruce]

It has flavour but you don't use it for the flavour. You use it for
the colour. That it also adds flavour... we ignore that. It's fake
news. The colour is what it's about. It's very... it's awesome, very
awesome colour.

[Snag]

But it matters a lot that you are wrong . This is the best lo mein I've
ever made , with flavor nuances that just are not present when using
only light soy sauce . You are free to believe what you will (thank a
Veteran for that - you're welcome) , no matter how dead wrong you are .
And there's your answer US Janet B. Yes , it makes a big difference .

[Bruce]

Uhm, Americans are free to believe what they will because you killed
Vietnamese people half a century ago? Did you sustain brain damage
doing that?

[dsi1]

The difference between you and me is that I've had some actual experience with using the stuff. I know its properties and how to use it. I'm grateful for what the veterans have done for us but don't push your luck.

[Leo]

On 2020 Apr 30, , dsi1 wrote
(in article<61dbeed9-54d0-408b...@googlegroups.com>):

> Yes, dark soy sauce has flavor. The reality is that you don't use it for the
> flavor. It matters little if you don't believe me.

I’m not enlightened regarding soy sauce. I’ve always used Kikkoman.
It’s dark. A quick and dirty google answer says that it isn’t even soy
sauce. I must have eaten the real thing in a Oriental restaurant sometime,
right?
Oh, and if Orient is now a banned word by progressive newspeak, I misspoke
it by occident.

leo

[Bruce]

On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 17:30:53 -0700, Leo <leobla...@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:

Kikkoman is good. Most Chinese soy sauces are bad and unhealthy. But
you might like unhealthy. Healthy is left-wing, isn't it?

[Bruce]

You hate Vietnamese people? They're Asians!

[dsi1]

The Japanese don't have a dark soy sauce - well, not like the Chinese. I suppose that some people might not consider Chinese dark soy sauce to be real soy sauce but it has to be called something.

You wouldn't find dark soy sauce on the table at Chinese restaurants. Chinese dark soy sauce is only used for cooking. You would find a soy sauce that's thicker and darker than Japanese soy sauce though. In Hawaii, you might find some Aloha shoyu on the table at Chinese restaurants. Aloha shoyu is okay with me but it should never be served in Chinese restaurants. That's not right!

I bought some soy sauce at a Korean store the other day. I've never tried Korean soy sauce. I thought it was pretty good. My wife said it tastes like the stuff that the Koreans prefer - Kikkoman.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Thursday, April 30, 2020 at 7:30:58 PM UTC-5, Leo wrote:
>
> I must have eaten the real thing in a Oriental restaurant sometime,
> right?
> Oh, and if Orient is now a banned word by progressive newspeak, I misspoke
> it by occident.
>

> Leo
>
I got an ass-chewing a few months ago by saying 'orientals' and was
informed I should be saying 'Asians' even though Asians also include
Saudi Arabians.

Meh. It doesn't bother me if you say oriental though.

[Bruce]

It may be a bit old fashioned, but it's not racist.

[Hank Rogers]

"We"?
You're starting to sound like Popeye.

[Bruce]

On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 17:51:08 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
<dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:

>On Thursday, April 30, 2020 at 2:30:58 PM UTC-10, Leo wrote:
>> On 2020 Apr 30, , dsi1 wrote
>> (in article<61dbeed9-54d0-408b...@googlegroups.com>):
>>
>> > Yes, dark soy sauce has flavor. The reality is that you don't use it for the
>> > flavor. It matters little if you don't believe me.
>>
>> I’m not enlightened regarding soy sauce. I’ve always used Kikkoman.
>> It’s dark. A quick and dirty google answer says that it isn’t even soy
>> sauce. I must have eaten the real thing in a Oriental restaurant sometime,
>> right?
>> Oh, and if Orient is now a banned word by progressive newspeak, I misspoke
>> it by occident.
>>
>> leo
>
>The Japanese don't have a dark soy sauce - well, not like the Chinese. I suppose that some people might not consider Chinese dark soy sauce to be real soy sauce but it has to be called something.
>
>You wouldn't find dark soy sauce on the table at Chinese restaurants. Chinese dark soy sauce is only used for cooking. You would find a soy sauce that's thicker and darker than Japanese soy sauce though. In Hawaii, you might find some Aloha shoyu on the table at Chinese restaurants. Aloha shoyu is okay with me but it should never
be served in Chinese restaurants. That's not right!

Aloha is crappy, unhealthy, industrial quick and dirty soy sauce.

>I bought some soy sauce at a Korean store the other day. I've never tried Korean soy sauce. I thought it was pretty good. My wife said it tastes like the stuff that the Koreans prefer - Kikkoman.

There you go.

[Bruce]

On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 19:57:53 -0500, Hank Rogers <Nos...@invalid.com>
wrote:

Whoosh.

[dsi1]

I admire the Vietnamese and Americans. The Vietnamese beat the Americans because they're great at playing a waiting game. I've tried brewing coffee the Vietnamese way. It takes an insanely long time to make a stinking cup of coffee. That's how some guys wearing pajamas and living in a tunnel underground can beat the most technologically advanced country in the world. Any country that makes coffee this way can wait as long as it takes to win any war.

[dsi1]

Yoose guys crack me up. You don't have much, if any, experience with soy sauce, you don't care about soy sauce, but proclaim yooseselves experts. Yoose audacity knows no bounds.

[Sheldon Martin]

On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 17:54:55 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
<itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:

Orientals is the correct terminology for Chinks and Japs. I happen to
like Chink food but I think Jap food is shit. Korean food ain't so
great either.

[Bruce]

On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 18:06:39 -0700 (PDT), dsi1

Sometimes, when you're too close to something, you can't see it
properly. In those cases, you need advice from someone who has more of
an overview.

[Bruce]

On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 21:11:27 -0400, Sheldon Martin <penm...@aol.com>
wrote:

All 3 are great. A lot greater than your nursing home food.

[dsi1]

Since you have never given an overview on anything, who cares if you have more of an overview. What's your favorite soy sauce? Who knows? You got to give me something to work with. If you don't have anything to give, I got to assume you're just saying stuff to get a response. That's the tactics of a poser/loser.

[Bruce]

On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 18:36:10 -0700 (PDT), dsi1

My favourite is the naturally brewed type, not the chemical rushed
industrial type. We use Kikkoman because it's also readily available.

[Leo]

On 2020 Apr 30, , itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote
(in article<86a3ab6a-c475-44cf...@googlegroups.com>):

> I got an ass-chewing a few months ago by saying 'orientals' and was
> informed I should be saying 'Asians' even though Asians also include
> Saudi Arabians.

Europeans are Asians. Calling the continent, Eurasia is a political
construct. If you can walk from place to place while fording rivers,
you’re on a continent. Hmm...by my thinking and not counting man-made
canals, there are only five continents. AfrAsia (it’s wide and deep),
NoSoAmerica (it’s sort of wide and deep), Australia and Antartica. I
wonder when the “experts” will catch up with me geographically?
I’m thinking of adding Greenland to the continent list. Maybe next year.

leo

[Bruce]

On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 18:47:15 -0700, Leo <leobla...@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:

>On 2020 Apr 30, , itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote
>(in article<86a3ab6a-c475-44cf...@googlegroups.com>):
>
>> I got an ass-chewing a few months ago by saying 'orientals' and was
>> informed I should be saying 'Asians' even though Asians also include
>> Saudi Arabians.
>
>Europeans are Asians.

Then white Americans are Asians too. Let's just all be Asians and get
it over and done with.

>Calling the continent, Eurasia is a political
>construct. If you can walk from place to place while fording rivers,
>you’re on a continent. Hmm...by my thinking and not counting man-made
>canals, there are only five continents. AfrAsia (it’s wide and deep),
>NoSoAmerica (it’s sort of wide and deep), Australia and Antartica. I
>wonder when the “experts” will catch up with me geographically?

That's four continents. Am I an expert now?

[Leo]

On 2020 Apr 30, , Bruce wrote
(in article<uc0naf1le209ueiaj...@4ax.com>):

> That's four continents. Am I an expert now?

Damn! I had already counted Greenland. The other possibility is too much to
bear.

leo

[dsi1]

You're some guy that read some other guy that read some other guy that wrote hydrolyzed soy sauce was bad. None of yoose guys have ever tasted the stuff nor can yoose say why it's bad because you don't have a whit of experience to draw from. Yoose guys are creating something out of thin air. I've got a bunch of soy sauces in stock, including Aloha shoyu. None of them tastes bad.

I have tasted bad soy sauce - some American brand. I can tell you exactly why it tasted bad - it was cut with water and tasted awfully weak. My guess is that most Americans couldn't tell the difference between good soy sauce and bad if they were knocked upside the head with a bottle of the stuff. That is, unless, they grew up on the stuff.

[Bruce]

On Fri, 1 May 2020 00:21:31 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net>

On the one hand, you have a lot of experience with soy sauce. On the
other hand, you have no standards. Food is only about survival for
you. Anything more -quality for instance- is pretentious in your book.
So be it.

[Ophelia]

"Snag" wrote in message news:r8f6aq$4b9$1...@dont-email.me...

Since I couldn't find it locally I ordered a bottle of dark soy sauce
on the interwebs . And now that it's here I plan on trying that lo mein
recipe again . It was pretty good with just the regular soy sauce , the
dark is supposed to bring a whole new flavor . I may finally be able to
make a lo mein that compares with our favorite from a Chinese restaurant
I used to deliver for .

Snag

====

We are very lucky here. I can buy bottles of all kinds of stuff like that
in our shops:)


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[Ophelia]

"dsi1" wrote in message
news:5720697c-8396-47ea...@googlegroups.com...

On Thursday, April 30, 2020 at 8:44:46 AM UTC-10, Snag wrote:

> Since I couldn't find it locally I ordered a bottle of dark soy sauce
> on the interwebs . And now that it's here I plan on trying that lo mein
> recipe again . It was pretty good with just the regular soy sauce , the
> dark is supposed to bring a whole new flavor . I may finally be able to
> make a lo mein that compares with our favorite from a Chinese restaurant
> I used to deliver for .

> --
> Snag
> Yes , I'm old
> and crotchety - and armed .
> Get outta my woods !

Mostly, you'd use the dark soy sauce with the light soy sauce to change the
appearance of food. It's quite a powerful agent in that regard. The dark
stuff will have a distinct taste of molasses but I don't use it for taste -
just color. It takes some practice to get an idea of what you want your dish
to look like and how much to use. Start out small and think of dark soy as a
coloring agent, not one of flavor.

https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared/DJWMbKZRRX-Sz-fpHqtmNw.DoR33ML0DqQ29FTyOSsdhq

===

I am still learning and use it a lot along with all the other stuff I get:))
We like it all anyway:))

[dsi1]

Your idea of "standards" is mostly to showcase how classy/exclusive your ass is and to show your disdain for lower socio-economic foods and people. Your "standards" is a feeble attempt to convince yourself of your worthiness. It has nothing to do with foods/cooking/nourishment and everything to do with the image/persona you need to project.

[Bruce]

On Fri, 1 May 2020 02:40:06 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net>

My most epic contribution to rfc was mackerel balls. Ridiculed by Jill
McGossip as being too cheap to deserve mention. "Can never be good,
it's too cheap" kinda thing. Yet such was my humble contribution. So
much for my classiness and exclusivity.

All I want is real food, not science projects.

[dsi1]

My suggestion is that, when cooking a dish, to use light soy sauce as a seasoning. Add the dark soy sauce near the end to get the color of the food you desire. You don't have to only use the dark soy sauce on Chinese dishes, use it in any stew, soup, or meat dish, that needs to look less pale. Just be careful about how much you use - it's powerful stuff.

I find that it really improves the appearance of stews i.e., makes it look richer. Just don't tell anybody how you do it. It's like my secret weapon.

[dsi1]

I guess that pretty much scared you off from making contributions about food. That's kind of chicken shit. Grow a pair and ignore the haters and the usual gang of idiots.

[Ophelia]

"dsi1" wrote in message
news:f7a8963c-7b2d-4d56...@googlegroups.com...

My suggestion is that, when cooking a dish, to use light soy sauce as a
seasoning. Add the dark soy sauce near the end to get the color of the food
you desire. You don't have to only use the dark soy sauce on Chinese dishes,
use it in any stew, soup, or meat dish, that needs to look less pale. Just
be careful about how much you use - it's powerful stuff.

Ahh yes:) I have learned to use it for that too, but recently:)
When I make a fried rice, I use it to colour the rice (and it tastes good)
I use teriyaki sauce and marinade too. How do you use yours?

I find that it really improves the appearance of stews i.e., makes it look
richer. Just don't tell anybody how you do it. It's like my secret weapon.

LOL and it shall now be mine:))))

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Thursday, April 30, 2020 at 8:30:58 PM UTC-4, Leo wrote:
> On 2020 Apr 30, , dsi1 wrote
> (in article<61dbeed9-54d0-408b...@googlegroups.com>):
>
> > Yes, dark soy sauce has flavor. The reality is that you don't use it for the
> > flavor. It matters little if you don't believe me.
>
> I’m not enlightened regarding soy sauce. I’ve always used Kikkoman.
> It’s dark. A quick and dirty google answer says that it isn’t even soy

> sauce. I must have eaten the real thing in a Oriental restaurant sometime,

> right?
> Oh, and if Orient is now a banned word by progressive newspeak, I misspoke
> it by occident.
>

> leo

As Bruce pointed out, Orient is old-fashioned. I mildly object to it and
to Asian as being too vague.

You ate in a Chinese restaurant, not an Oriental restaurant.

Cindy Hamilton

[Bruce]

On Fri, 1 May 2020 02:52:22 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net>

Yes, I have to pick myself up and keep going after that experience.

[Gary]

Bruce wrote:
>
> It has flavour but you don't use it for the flavour. You use it for
> the colour. That it also adds flavour... we ignore that. It's fake
> news. The colour is what it's about. It's very... it's awesome, very
> awesome colour.

Just to drift off a little bit.
When looking at a grocery store flyer advertising
for Easter dinner food a few weeks ago, they had
food coloring on sale for about $6 or so. Seemed quite
a bit high to me.

It's a small box of 4 colors and weight was only a
few ounces. That's pretty expensive stuff if you
do the math to see how much a pound it costs.

I used to have a box. Only used here to dye egg shells
at Easter when daughter was a little one. I thought I still
had an old box but I just looked and don't see it. oh well.

Anyway, I doubt that many (if any) home cooks still use that
just to "pretty up" a dish. It was popular long ago though.

Manufacturers still use it. Especially with children's cereal
to make it bright and colorful and attractive.

Ex. - Fruit Loops (all the colors and twice the sugar)

[Gary]

Bruce wrote:
> Uhm, Americans are free to believe what they will because you killed
> Vietnamese people half a century ago? Did you sustain brain damage
> doing that?

What a cheap shot from a baby dutch boy with paper shoes
during that time.

Those Vietnamese people did their share of killing Americans
back then too. I remember the daily death counts on the news
every single night for years.

News media always loves stuff like that. Now it's happening
again. First thing on national or local news...death counts.

[Dave Smith]

Everyone seems to want to have the right to be offended these days.
Orient simple means the east, a carry over from the days when Europe was
the Occident.. the west They are the directions in which the sun rises
and sets. It seems that it is no longer PC to different the various
Asians as Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese, Indian etc. It's all too
confusing to try to keep up with political correctness.

[Dave Smith]

On 2020-05-01 9:54 a.m., Gary wrote:
> Bruce wrote:
>> Uhm, Americans are free to believe what they will because you killed
>> Vietnamese people half a century ago? Did you sustain brain damage
>> doing that?
>
> What a cheap shot from a baby dutch boy with paper shoes
> during that time.
>
> Those Vietnamese people did their share of killing Americans
> back then too. I remember the daily death counts on the news
> every single night for years.

The nerve of those little bastards wanting their own country back.

[Gary]

Bruce wrote:
> Then white Americans are Asians too. Let's just all be Asians and get
> it over and done with.

If humans last long enough, there will be so many inner marriages
that all kids will be mutts and about the same.

Other than that, what we need is a good alien invasion from
outer space. At that time all *earthling* might band together.
If we win that war, maybe all will still be called
"earthlings" and all remain friends.

I think I read that in a sf book once. ;)

[dsi1]

Asians can't tell each other apart either. Unless - they have an accent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=el84efC10oE

[dsi1]

My grand-kids are all mixed up like that. One of my granddaughters has a Japanese first name, her second name is after a British Queen, the third name is a Hawaiian name, her surname is Portuguese. Four part names like that are fairly common on this rock.

[Bruce]

Most supermarket concoctions have artificial colouring in them. And
flavouring, "natural" or artificial.

[Bruce]

On Fri, 01 May 2020 09:54:21 -0400, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:

>Bruce wrote:
>> Uhm, Americans are free to believe what they will because you killed
>> Vietnamese people half a century ago? Did you sustain brain damage
>> doing that?
>
>What a cheap shot from a baby dutch boy with paper shoes
>during that time.

Paper shoes?

>Those Vietnamese people did their share of killing Americans
>back then too. I remember the daily death counts on the news
>every single night for years.

How would Americans react if a foreign power attacked them in their
own country?

[Bruce]

Exactly.

[jmcquown]

On 5/1/2020 9:54 AM, Gary wrote:
> Bruce wrote:
>> Uhm, Americans are free to believe what they will because you killed
>> Vietnamese people half a century ago? Did you sustain brain damage
>> doing that?
>

(piggybacking)

WTF are you trolling about now, Bruce? He was able to make a nice Lo
Mein dish using dark soy sauce which has nothing to do with the Vietnam
conflict. How about you just STFU? While you're at it, stop bashing
Americans and post about something you actually *cook". Oh wait, you don't.

Jill

[Bruce]

On Sat, 2 May 2020 00:46:54 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

(piggybacking)

First you delete what I'm replying to and then you ask why I'm saying
what I'm saying. Just read what you deleted, silly woman.

[songbird]

Ophelia wrote:
...

> I am still learning and use it a lot along with all the other stuff I get:))
> We like it all anyway:))

i wonder how the dark compares to the mushroom flavored?

we've been using this bottle for a while (it takes us a
few years to use a whole bottle of soy sauce up).


songbird

[Ophelia]

"songbird" wrote in message news:7k80og-...@anthive.com...

==

I've never seen mushroom flavoured Soy Sauce.

[Gary]

Bruce wrote:

>
> Gary wrote:
> >What a cheap shot from a baby dutch boy with paper shoes
> >during that time.
>
> Paper shoes?

That was just speculation on my part. Dutch people wear
wooden shoes so it seemed natural that young babies might
wear paper shoes until they start walking outdoors? :)

[U.S. Janet B.]

On Sat, 2 May 2020 00:46:54 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

Thank you Jill!

[Hank Rogers]

She's bitching about you! Poor Gruce.

[Bruce]

Only die-hard farmers wear wooden shoes :)

[Bruce]

On Sat, 02 May 2020 11:05:56 -0600, U.S. Janet B. <J...@nospam.com>
wrote:

Thank you for what? She doesn't even quote what I was commenting on.
Dummies.

[Hank Rogers]

Damn Druce, them biddies are bitching about you!

Attack attack attack!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Bruce]

On Sat, 2 May 2020 20:29:55 -0500, Hank Rogers <Nos...@invalid.com>
wrote:

Nah, they both whooshed.

[S Viemeister]

On 5/2/2020 9:47 PM, Bruce wrote:

> Only die-hard farmers wear wooden shoes :)
>

I haven't been to the Netherlands in ages (50 years or so), but I
remember boatmen wearing wooden shoes, too, not just farmers in mucky
fields. And you could tell they weren't just wearing them for tourist
photos, by how worn down the soles were.
I used wooden shoes in the garden for years.

[Bruce]

But if you go to a city or town looking for someone wearing wooden
shoes, you'll be looking for a looooong time :)

[Dave Smith]

I was there for a couple days about 15 years ago. I was out on the hotel
patio having breakfast when the egg man came by to make a delivery and
he was wearing them. He took them off and left them by the door.

[notbob]

On 2020-05-02, songbird <song...@anthive.com> wrote:

> i wonder how the dark compares to the mushroom flavored?

Have not tried any mushroom flavored soy sauce, so cannot say.

My goto regular soy sauce is Kim Lan (Korean).

Heavy (dark) soy sauce (Thai brand) is basically the same as
black-strap molasses. One can be subbed for the other. ;)

nb

[Gary]

heh And here I've always thought that wooden shoes were
just a Holland myth. Like goats eating tin cans in the
old cartoons.
Damn, this group is educational! :)

[dsi1]

Kimlan soy sauce is made in China, but not that China. It's made in the Republic of China aka, Taiwan. On this rock, we got soy sauce from China, Korea, Japan, Filipino, and Hawaii. I've never tried Thai soy sauce. It seems interesting.

[Dave Smith]

On 2020-05-03 1:35 p.m., Gary wrote:

> S Viemeister wrote:
I haven't been to the Netherlands in ages (50 years or so), but I
>> remember boatmen wearing wooden shoes, too, not just farmers in mucky
>> fields. And you could tell they weren't just wearing them for tourist
>> photos, by how worn down the soles were.
>> I used wooden shoes in the garden for years.
>
> heh And here I've always thought that wooden shoes were
> just a Holland myth. Like goats eating tin cans in the
> old cartoons.
> Damn, this group is educational! :)
>

Wooden shoes, wooden head, wooden listen ;-)

[Bruce]

I'd have a great idea for the wooden shoe+Dave Smith combo :)