OT I bought a 18" Lasko Pedestal Fan to take my Nordictracking to the next level!

[John Kuthe]

Gonna Track tomorrow, again! :-)

John Kuthe, Climate Anarchist and Fitness Freak!

[dsi1]

On Friday, May 31, 2019 at 5:13:16 PM UTC-10, John Kuthe wrote:
> Gonna Track tomorrow, again! :-)
>
> John Kuthe, Climate Anarchist and Fitness Freak!

I wish I could get that excited about a pedestal fan - on second thought, maybe not.

[Jeßus]

On Fri, 31 May 2019 20:13:11 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
<johnk...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Gonna Track tomorrow, again! :-)

LOL.

[jmcquown]

He might to better to air-condition that house rather than waste money
on a fan that just moves his hot air around. ;)

Jill

[John Kuthe]

Can't WAIT!! It's a BEAUTIFUL DAY in Da Lou! :-)

John Kuthe...

[John Kuthe]

On Saturday, June 1, 2019 at 7:35:37 AM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
...

> He might to better to air-condition that house rather than waste money
> on a fan that just moves his hot air around. ;)
>
> Jill

The house IS A/Ced! TWO UNITS, First and Second floors!

I'm EXERCISING!! IN my room, with the Hunter Douglas 2" WOOD blinds drawn! 30mins on Da Nordictrack is a fantastic cardio workout, and I feel GOOD
after, after I shower and rest!

John Kuthe...

[penm...@aol.com]

Being in the draft of a large fan blowing on you while working up a
sweat is a great way to get sick. A fan won't lower the room
temperature, but it will lower skin temperature by evaporation and
that's how you'll get sick. And you're supposed to perspire from a
work out.

[dsi1]

You might want to rethink your logic. If your body didn't want to lower your skin temperature by evaporation, it wouldn't perspire. Perspiration, along with vasodilation, is a cool adaption by humans to transfer heat out of their bodies through the skin to the air.

[Cindy Hamilton]

He still believes you can catch a cold by being cold. Just like his mom
told him 80 years ago.

Cindy Hamilton

[Gary]

failed thinking from someone that works hard driving an air
condidtioned tractor.

[Ed Pawlowski]

>>> On Sat, 1 Jun 2019 06:15:02 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
>>> <johnk...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>> The house IS A/Ced! TWO UNITS, First and Second floors!
>>>>
>>>> I'm EXERCISING!! IN my room, with the Hunter Douglas 2" WOOD blinds drawn! 30mins on Da Nordictrack is a fantastic cardio workout, and I feel GOOD
>>>> after, after I shower and rest!
>>>>
>>>> John Kuthe...

That Lasko fan is even designed in the USA. Of course, it is built in
China, probably by his former landlord.
http://international.laskoproducts.com/product-category/fans/made-in-usa/

With three manufacturing locations in the US, and six in the PRC, Lasko
has the flexibility that is required to stay competitive.

To their credit, Lasko was one of the last to give in and manufacture in
China. They were a customer of our back in the 1970s and we worked with
them to get the price of a fan competitive.

[dsi1]

It was quite the big deal to our mining company when the Chinese visited the headquarters in 1977. The bigwigs were seriously courting them as the guys on the floor made fun of them in their goofy "JC Penny's" suits. Even after all these years, the old guys on the floor are still underestimating the Chinese. That's a poor attitude as well as a dangerous one.

[Hank Rogers]

He also once claimed that using a wood stove or heater would make
yoose house colder.

[Alex]

Funny!

[John Kuthe]

On Saturday, June 1, 2019 at 7:35:37 AM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:

It moves the COOLED A/C air over me faster.

You don't seem to understand the use of a fan in an A/Ced room! When I Nordictrack, I SWEAT A LOT! I NEED ventilation both inside me (aerobic exercise) and outside (to evaporate my sweat faster and cool me down!)

John Kuthe...

[Alex]

Your AC must suck since you posted photos on Craigslist with at least 8
fans - some rooms with more than two.

[Cindy Hamilton]

My central AC is good and nearly every room has a ceiling fan. Helps mix
the air; if they're not running warm air collects near the ceiling.
(HVAC system was designed for heating, so the outputs are near the
floor.)

Cindy Hamilton

[Gary]

Cindy Hamilton wrote:

>
> Alex wrote:
> > Your AC must suck since you posted photos on Craigslist with at least 8
> > fans - some rooms with more than two.
>
> My central AC is good and nearly every room has a ceiling fan. Helps mix
> the air; if they're not running warm air collects near the ceiling.
> (HVAC system was designed for heating, so the outputs are near the
> floor.)

I have central air to cool the place down but I also use fans to
circulate that air. Using fans definitly lets me keep the ac on a
warmer setting.

I have a ceiling fan in my great room area plus a valuable small
fan in my bedroom. The bedroom fan stays on all night.

[jmcquown]

Sheldon, do you also believe if you go outside in the rain you'll catch
a cold?

I was making fun of Kuthe for crowing about having bought a pedestal
fan. Don't you know we're supposed to be impressed by that?!

Jill

[jmcquown]

On 6/2/2019 8:27 AM, Gary wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>

>> Alex wrote in reply to Kuthe:

>>> Your AC must suck since you posted photos on Craigslist with at least 8
>>> fans - some rooms with more than two.
>>

(snippage)
I think I saw a couple of window AC units in those pics. Maybe he even
lets the tenants use the AC their rooms. Likely he expects them to keep
the doors open so the AC will waft throughout and be shared by all the
Rainbow Warrior tenants.

Actually, it's not about the pedestal fan. It's about him exercising on
a Nordic Track. We're supposed to be impressed. Just as we were
supposed to be impressed he mowed the lawn.

Jill

[Cindy Hamilton]

I'll be the first to admit I get tired of him crowing about every minor
thing he does, but he does have some chronic musculoskeletal illness.

Cindy Hamilton

[penm...@aol.com]

On Sat, 1 Jun 2019 19:33:58 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
<johnk...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Saturday, June 1, 2019 at 7:35:37 AM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:

>> On 6/1/2019 2:22 AM, Je?us wrote:
>> > On Fri, 31 May 2019 20:13:11 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
>> > <johnk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Gonna Track tomorrow, again! :-)
>> >
>> > LOL.
>> >
>> He might to better to air-condition that house rather than waste money
>> on a fan that just moves his hot air around. ;)
>>
>> Jill
>
>It moves the COOLED A/C air over me faster.
>
>You don't seem to understand the use of a fan in an A/Ced room! When I Nordictrack, I SWEAT A LOT! I NEED ventilation both inside me (aerobic exercise) and outside (to evaporate my sweat faster and cool me down!)
>
>John Kuthe...

With Central A/C the air is automatically circulated, and even when
not calling for cool, just switches the fan from high to low to keep
the filters operational. A proper Central A/C system never shuts down
the blower. The two most important functions of A/C are
dehumidification and filtration, cooling is a secondary function. Some
people install an oversized unit, a big mistake because it cools fast
but then shuts down before removing the humidity, then they have cold
clammy, dank air. Oversized window units do likewise. Central air
needs to be calculated carefully. With window units it's better to
err on a lower BTU model.
A very bad feature of window units is that adjacent space will remain
warm and humid, perfect condition for condensation and black mold
inside walls.

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Sunday, June 2, 2019 at 12:03:46 PM UTC-4, Sheldon wrote:

> With Central A/C the air is automatically circulated,

Do you have any familiarity with air-conditioning systems retrofitted
into a forced-air furnace system? With the vents (and returns) at
floor level, hot air stagnates near the ceiling. Fans are a must,
even when the furnace blower never shuts off.

Cindy Hamilton

[Ed Pawlowski]

That is a very common installation in cold climates. I've seen some
houses with a dual vent, on at the floor for heat, the second near the
ceiling for summer AC. You just close the one not being used.

In a real house with a basement it is easy to do the dual vents since
the system is low. With a garage on a slab, the ducts are run overhead.
Our vents are in the ceiling. I was curious how well they would work
with heat, but since it is used so little, it does not matter. In any
case, we have ceiling fans too. The ones in the bedrooms have remote
control, very handy.

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Sunday, June 2, 2019 at 12:43:28 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 6/2/2019 12:27 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Sunday, June 2, 2019 at 12:03:46 PM UTC-4, Sheldon wrote:
> >
> >> With Central A/C the air is automatically circulated,
> >
> > Do you have any familiarity with air-conditioning systems retrofitted
> > into a forced-air furnace system? With the vents (and returns) at
> > floor level, hot air stagnates near the ceiling. Fans are a must,
> > even when the furnace blower never shuts off.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
> >
>
> That is a very common installation in cold climates. I've seen some
> houses with a dual vent, on at the floor for heat, the second near the
> ceiling for summer AC. You just close the one not being used.

That would be nice. When we added air-conditioning we weren't inclined
to rip up all the plaster walls.

> In a real house with a basement it is easy to do the dual vents since
> the system is low. With a garage on a slab, the ducts are run overhead.
> Our vents are in the ceiling. I was curious how well they would work
> with heat, but since it is used so little, it does not matter. In any
> case, we have ceiling fans too. The ones in the bedrooms have remote
> control, very handy.

It sounds like you're enjoying your goat shed very much.

I'm off to mow the lawn. No rest for the wicked. My husband suggested
going out for dinner, but I predict he won't feel like moving by then.

Cindy Hamilton

[Bruce]

So Americans not only struggle with healthcare. Simply warming a house
also seems to be beyond their grasp and requires endless discussion.

[Cindy Hamilton]

Ed and I both enjoy the intricacies of home ownership. We also talk
on alt.home.repair.

Cindy Hamilton

[Bruce]

Enjoy.

[penm...@aol.com]

On Sun, 2 Jun 2019 12:43:26 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.xxx> wrote:

>On 6/2/2019 12:27 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Sunday, June 2, 2019 at 12:03:46 PM UTC-4, Sheldon wrote:
>>
>>> With Central A/C the air is automatically circulated,
>>
>> Do you have any familiarity with air-conditioning systems retrofitted
>> into a forced-air furnace system? With the vents (and returns) at
>> floor level, hot air stagnates near the ceiling. Fans are a must,
>> even when the furnace blower never shuts off.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton

The only thing shared is an electronic thermostat that can be switched
between heating and cooling. Only I think it is much better to have a
seperate thermostats for heating and cooling. I recently went through
this, maintence can be expensive when the heating and cooling
companies are different as they typically are. I don't like it when
my heating company is different from my cooling company. and it's rare
to find one that services both and then they don't do either well. I
like to keep my systems separate and my service companies separate. I
don't want a shared thermostat. I don't like those programable
thermostats, they may keep costs down for when both people work all
day but retired people are both mostly home all day... so it's best to
keep temperture constant. For families with kds it's definitely best
to keep temperatrure constant all day. Anyway moving temperature
around always wastes money becauze it's expensive to bring a cold
house back up to a comfortale temperture. a fridgid bedroom may be
acceptibl;e if you;'re Amish... keeping warm by making lots of
childresn is what they do.

>In a real house with a basement.

Yup, REAL houses have basements. Even Amish houses have basements...
Anish barns have basements.

[Hank Rogers]

Here yoose have it folks ... LORD Popeye hath spoken!

[Hank Rogers]

penm...@aol.com wrote:

> Yup, REAL houses have basements. Even Amish houses have basements...
> Anish barns have basements.
>
>

Popeye, when the amish find yoose sneaking around their barns trying
to screw their animals, yoose are gonna end up with a big handful of
shotgun pellets deep in yoose sorry ass.

It'll take that old mexican a year to pick all the lead out of yoose
tuckus.

[John Kuthe]

On Sunday, June 2, 2019 at 4:55:38 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
> On Sun, 2 Jun 2019 12:43:26 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.xxx> wrote:

...

> >In a real house with a basement.
>
> Yup, REAL houses have basements. Even Amish houses have basements...
> Anish barns have basements.

Not in New Orleans! Water table is too high! Waterproofing them is a nightmare! They don't BURY THEIR DEAD EITHER!!

And where is there a BARN with a basement, ShelDUM? Whose?

John Kuthe...

[Hank Rogers]

He's probably broken into lots of barns to have sex with animals.


Speaking of the dead ... Hide yoose corpses, else Popeye will hump
them until their limbs fall off.

[Sqwertz]

On Sat, 1 Jun 2019 06:15:02 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe wrote:

> The house IS A/Ced! TWO UNITS, First and Second floors!

WTF does that mean? Two inefficient window units?

> I'm EXERCISING!! IN my room, with the Hunter Douglas 2" WOOD
> blinds drawn!

It doesn't get any more Chinese than Hunter Douglas.

http://www.hunterdouglas.cn/en/about_make.php

-sw

[Sqwertz]

John has Window units. They don't do anything for the bedrooms
unless they keep their doors open. Would you leave your doors open
in John's house?

-sw

[Sqwertz]

On Sun, 2 Jun 2019 07:29:10 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> I'll be the first to admit I get tired of him crowing about every minor
> thing he does, but he does have some chronic musculoskeletal illness.

I don't believe that. And according to him he was "healed" decades
ago. And he has NO DOCTOR for 30 years. That doesn't sound like
somebody with MS.

[Sqwertz]

On Sun, 02 Jun 2019 12:03:35 -0400, penm...@aol.com wrote:

> The two most important functions of A/C are
> dehumidification and filtration, cooling is a secondary function.

That's the Sheldon we knew and hated. I was afraid you got a
lobotomy. Glad to see you can still shovel those silo-fulls of
bullshit.

-sw

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Sunday, June 2, 2019 at 5:55:38 PM UTC-4, Sheldon wrote:
> On Sun, 2 Jun 2019 12:43:26 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.xxx> wrote:
>
> >On 6/2/2019 12:27 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >> On Sunday, June 2, 2019 at 12:03:46 PM UTC-4, Sheldon wrote:
> >>
> >>> With Central A/C the air is automatically circulated,
> >>
> >> Do you have any familiarity with air-conditioning systems retrofitted
> >> into a forced-air furnace system? With the vents (and returns) at
> >> floor level, hot air stagnates near the ceiling. Fans are a must,
> >> even when the furnace blower never shuts off.
> >>
> >> Cindy Hamilton
>
> The only thing shared is an electronic thermostat that can be switched
> between heating and cooling. Only I think it is much better to have a
> seperate thermostats for heating and cooling. I recently went through
> this, maintence can be expensive when the heating and cooling
> companies are different as they typically are. I don't like it when
> my heating company is different from my cooling company. and it's rare
> to find one that services both and then they don't do either well.

We don't have companies. We do all the maintenance ourselves. In any
event, the air-conditioner A coil sits atop the blower for the furnace.

> I
> like to keep my systems separate and my service companies separate. I
> don't want a shared thermostat. I don't like those programable
> thermostats, they may keep costs down for when both people work all
> day but retired people are both mostly home all day... so it's best to
> keep temperture constant.

Which is why when my husband retired, I programmed ours to keep the same
temperature 24/7.

Cindy Hamilton

[Janet]

In article <1x1v5duiq8hcd$.d...@sqwertz.com>, sqwe...@gmail.invalid
says...

As well as multiple sclerosis John also posted he has bipolar
disorder, plus (recently) skin cancer and prostate cancer.

Anyone struggling to self-medicate so many deathly diagnoses should
book a stay in Julie's backyard health spa in Bothell, famous for
miracles.

Janet UK

[jay]

On 6/2/19 3:55 PM, penm...@aol.com wrote:
> On Sun, 2 Jun 2019 12:43:26 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.xxx> wrote:
>
>> On 6/2/2019 12:27 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On Sunday, June 2, 2019 at 12:03:46 PM UTC-4, Sheldon wrote:
>>>
>>>> With Central A/C the air is automatically circulated,
>>>
>>> Do you have any familiarity with air-conditioning systems retrofitted
>>> into a forced-air furnace system? With the vents (and returns) at
>>> floor level, hot air stagnates near the ceiling. Fans are a must,
>>> even when the furnace blower never shuts off.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>
> The only thing shared is an electronic thermostat that can be switched
> between heating and cooling. Only I think it is much better to have a
> seperate thermostats for heating and cooling. I recently went through
> this, maintence can be expensive when the heating and cooling
> companies are different as they typically are.

Must depend on where you are. I have never had a service company for
heat and another for AC. Ours is a system that utilizes shared
components so having different companies work on one and then the other
doesn't make sense.

A cobbled together koothie dwelling may be an exception that requires
many and various specialists to just figure out what happened.

> I don't like those programable
> thermostats, they may keep costs down for when both people work all
> day but retired people are both mostly home all day... so it's best to
> keep temperture constant. For families with kds it's definitely best
> to keep temperatrure constant all day. Anyway moving temperature
> around always wastes money becauze it's expensive to bring a cold
> house back up to a comfortale temperture. a fridgid bedroom may be
> acceptibl;e if you;'re Amish... keeping warm by making lots of
> childresn is what they do.

Programmable isn't for everyone. Some just want one big on/off switch.
And if your skills and vision isn't up to par programming anything is
even more of a challenge and can be tough just to get something to
happen pushing about a bunch of buttons.

BTW your spellchecker is on fire.

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Monday, June 3, 2019 at 8:12:20 AM UTC-4, jay wrote:
> On 6/2/19 3:55 PM, penm...@aol.com wrote:
> > On Sun, 2 Jun 2019 12:43:26 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.xxx> wrote:
> >
> >> On 6/2/2019 12:27 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >>> On Sunday, June 2, 2019 at 12:03:46 PM UTC-4, Sheldon wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> With Central A/C the air is automatically circulated,
> >>>
> >>> Do you have any familiarity with air-conditioning systems retrofitted
> >>> into a forced-air furnace system? With the vents (and returns) at
> >>> floor level, hot air stagnates near the ceiling. Fans are a must,
> >>> even when the furnace blower never shuts off.
> >>>
> >>> Cindy Hamilton
> >
> > The only thing shared is an electronic thermostat that can be switched
> > between heating and cooling. Only I think it is much better to have a
> > seperate thermostats for heating and cooling. I recently went through
> > this, maintence can be expensive when the heating and cooling
> > companies are different as they typically are.
> Must depend on where you are. I have never had a service company for
> heat and another for AC. Ours is a system that utilizes shared
> components so having different companies work on one and then the other
> doesn't make sense.

I'm sure Sheldon will be along soon to abuse you for this, but
he almost certainly has a boiler for heat and forced-air for
cooling. Two separate systems.

Cindy Hamilton

[jay]

I hope so.

In Texas we have one AC and heat system, in NM we only have radiant heat
and a boiler.. no AC, still only one system. Radiant is by far nicer
than forced air for heat. No noise and the floor is warm. Currently
needing no heat and the temp here in NM this AM is 54 degrees so no AC
needed which is good since we don't have one. Utilities will be very low
until winter. Different geographical locations, different needs as well
as different building techniques.

And furthermore I've never had a basement and don't want nor need one. I
do have a GREEN tractor.

[Dave Smith]

On 2019-06-03 7:21 a.m., Janet wrote:
> In article <1x1v5duiq8hcd$.d...@sqwertz.com>, sqwe...@gmail.invalid

>> I don't believe that. And according to him he was "healed" decades
>> ago. And he has NO DOCTOR for 30 years. That doesn't sound like
>> somebody with MS.
>
> As well as multiple sclerosis John also posted he has bipolar
> disorder, plus (recently) skin cancer and prostate cancer.
>
> Anyone struggling to self-medicate so many deathly diagnoses should
> book a stay in Julie's backyard health spa in Bothell, famous for
> miracles.

It would likely help with accepting one's impending demise. A week or
two in that vortex of dysfunction and death would be welcome.
>

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Monday, June 3, 2019 at 7:12:20 AM UTC-5, jay wrote:
>
> On 6/2/19 3:55 PM, penm...@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > The only thing shared is an electronic thermostat that can be switched
> > between heating and cooling. Only I think it is much better to have a
> > seperate thermostats for heating and cooling. I recently went through
> > this, maintence can be expensive when the heating and cooling
> > companies are different as they typically are.
>
> Must depend on where you are. I have never had a service company for
> heat and another for AC. Ours is a system that utilizes shared
> components so having different companies work on one and then the other
> doesn't make sense.
>

Same here. The original part of my house is a split unit. It's a gas furnace
in the daylight basement and the outside portion is the a/c. I had an add-
ition built onto the back of my house 11 years ago and it is heated and cooled
with a heat pump. A heat pump that I've had nothing but trouble with the day
it was installed. Heating a/c guy is coming today to see what the problem is
and I would not be surprised to hear him say "time to replace this piece of
junk." I have no complaints with it being a heat pump, just the one that was
installed at my house.

[penm...@aol.com]

I have a commercial cast iron boiler with oil burner I had converted
to propane for heat. We have central A/C, totally separate from the
heating system. Hot water is a tankless on-demand unit. In case of
a power failure during winter we have a ventless propane heater so
pipes don't freeze.
Our heating is serviced by the company we buy propane from.
Our central air is serviced by a company that installs and services
A/C plus sells heating oil and diesel, they deliver the off-road
diesel for our tractors.

[penm...@aol.com]

What's a GREEN tractor,,, a John Deere!

[jay]

JD says use 87 to 92 octane fuel. I am using 91 but can also find 93.
I wonder if it would like that higher octane? It really seems to run
better with 91 than 87. I have also had a diesel model which I liked
very much.

[penm...@aol.com]

On 3 Jun 2019 jay wrote:
>On 6/3/19 penmart wrote:

>> On 3 Jun 2019 jay wrote:
>>
>>>I do have a GREEN tractor.
>>
>> What's a GREEN tractor,,, a John Deere!
>>
>JD says use 87 to 92 octane fuel. I am using 91 but can also find 93.
>I wonder if it would like that higher octane? It really seems to run
>better with 91 than 87. I have also had a diesel model which I liked
>very much.

Which model/horse power?

[Dave Smith]

If your engine is designed to run on 87 octane there is no benefit to
using higher octane. It does not give you better mileage of more power.
Higher octane is needed in engines with higher compression in order to
prevent pinging from premature firing. Putting high octane gasoline in a
tractor engine is a waste of money.

[Sqwertz]

On Mon, 3 Jun 2019 12:21:47 +0100, Janet wrote:

> In article <1x1v5duiq8hcd$.d...@sqwertz.com>, sqwe...@gmail.invalid
> says...
>>
>> On Sun, 2 Jun 2019 07:29:10 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>>> I'll be the first to admit I get tired of him crowing about every minor
>>> thing he does, but he does have some chronic musculoskeletal illness.
>>
>> I don't believe that. And according to him he was "healed" decades
>> ago. And he has NO DOCTOR for 30 years. That doesn't sound like
>> somebody with MS.
>
> As well as multiple sclerosis John also posted he has bipolar
> disorder, plus (recently) skin cancer and prostate cancer.

I missed the last two. I just heard him say, "I'll be dead in 5
years". I just chalked that up to subconscious wishful thinking on
his part.

I beleiveteh bipolar part, no doubt. But not the other stuff. teh
bipolar causes the "attention whore syndrome" and he's always been
begging for attention. The MS thing was new last year, now more
recently, two cancers.

If he has prostrate cancer he'd be in chemo and radio therapy, at
least. Not Nordictrak therapy. What a bunch of bullshit.

-sw