REC: Salmon Patties

[jmcquown]

I adapted this from a Gullah cookbook but there's nothing particularly
Gullah about it.

1 can (15 oz) canned pink salmon, drained

Saute in butter:
1/2 small onion, finely chopped
1/2 small green bell pepper, finely chopped
1 clove minced garlic

Combine with the salmon:

1 large egg, beaten
3 Tbs. flour
salt & pepper
1/2 tsp. cayenne pepper
1-2 Tbs. sour cream or prepared mayonnaise

Drain the liquid from the canned salmon and place in a large mixing
bowl. (If you're finicky like Gary, remove the small round bones or buy
boneless canned salmon.) Combine all the ingredients and mash well
togther with a fork. I rarely have sour cream on hand but find jarred
mayo to work just fine as a substitute. Form the salmon mixture into
patties and place on a platter lined with waxed paper (easy cleanup).
Place in the refrigerator to let set for at at least 10 minutes.

Cook the salmon patties in a large skillet in a bit of neutral oil (I
use corn oil) until the patties are browned and crisp on the outside,
hot and tender inside. Drain on paper towels and serve while hot.

*Note: In recent years I've found if you lightly dust the salmon patties
with a little cornstarch before letting them set it makes for a crispier
outside but does not alter the taste.

Serves 6

[Bryan Simmons]

What do you call housewives from circa 1970 who served crap
like that to their husbands?

Divorcees.

--Bryan

[Bruce]

There's nothing wrong with it. I'd probably like it, unless I'm a
vegetarian.

[Hank Rogers]

You don't eat dead salmon corpse master?

[GM]

He's udderly reduced to pathetic "chum" sniffing and trolling, Hank...

--
GM

[Michael Trew]

Thanks! I have a can of pink salmon in the cabinet that I've been
meaning to use. Will have to make patties one of these days.

I've also seen red salmon in cans that the store, but it was
significantly more expensive. Is it a flavor difference?

[Sheldon Martin]

The red salmon does taste better (my taste) and is more neatly and
solidly packed into the can, there's less fatty skin and fewer bones.
Even the salmon stock tastes a lot better, don't drain it down the
sink, I drink it when no one is looking. It's well worth the price
difference... it's almost too good for patties... I like it cold from
the fridge with a squeeze of fresh lemon on a tossed salad. I
sometimes mix the stock with a bit of mayo and dillweed and use it to
dress the salad. I keep canned fish in the fridge so it's always
ready to dig in... they're small cans so don't take much space. One
of my favorites are those flat oval cans of sardines in tomato
sauce... used to be herring in tomato sauce, called tomato herring
... but these days herring is so scarce that they had to change the
name. My mother and father were very fond of all kinds of canned fish
so I got to eat it very often... kipper snacks was a favorite.
Naturally pickled fish was more popular in Brooklyn than hamburgers.
Matjes herring was my favorite. My father being Russian he was
addicted to pickled fish... went well with schnapps or vodka. My
mother liked pickled/smoked fish too but she was a tea drinker, even
had her special samovar.
https://www.thoughtco.com/russian-samovar-4771018

[jmcquown]

IMO, not enough to justify the price difference, especially when using
them for something like salmon patties.

Jill

[Bruce]

On Thu, 30 Dec 2021 17:08:39 -0500, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

Mackerel patties are nice too. And cheap.

[jmcquown]

I would not pay the higher price for canned red salmon if all I'm doing
with it is turning it into patties. By the time you add all the other
ingredients I'm hard pressed to taste any difference.

Jill

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Thursday, December 30, 2021 at 4:12:25 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>
> Mackerel patties are nice too. And cheap.
>

I'm definitely not a fan of mackerel patties. That's what we ate as
kids and I didn't like them then and I still don't like them.

[jmcquown]

I tried using canned Mackerel once for making fish patties when I was a
young woman newly on her own living on a very tight budget. I thought
saving 20 cents per can over buying canned pink salmon was a good idea.
Nope! I'll never do that again. Canned mackerel does not compare [in
any way] with the taste of even lowly pink canned salmon when it comes
to making patties.

Jill

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

If I never eat mackerel again it will be too soon. I've made sure it has not
passed my lips since Woodrow Wilson was president.

[Bruce]

I like them. They have a stronger fish flavour than salmon, which I
also like.

[Bruce]

On Thu, 30 Dec 2021 17:20:29 -0800 (PST), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"

<itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:

>On Thursday, December 30, 2021 at 7:13:16 PM UTC-6, j_mc...@comcast.net wrote:
>> >
>> On 12/30/2021 7:38 PM, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
>> >
>> > I'm definitely not a fan of mackerel patties. That's what we ate as
>> > kids and I didn't like them then and I still don't like them.
>> >
>> I tried using canned Mackerel once for making fish patties when I was a
>> young woman newly on her own living on a very tight budget. I thought
>> saving 20 cents per can over buying canned pink salmon was a good idea.
>> Nope! I'll never do that again. Canned mackerel does not compare [in
>> any way] with the taste of even lowly pink canned salmon when it comes
>> to making patties.
>>
>> Jill
>>
>If I never eat mackerel again it will be too soon. I've made sure it has not
>passed my lips since Woodrow Wilson was president.

It's the healthiest fish to eat. Smoked mackerel is a Dutch classic
that even Dutch obligatory meat eaters are familiar with. Indonesians
make great dishes with mackerel too. The canned version isn't the
nicest, but good enough for patties.

Australian mackerels are much bigger and seem less oily than what I
was used to in the Netherlands.

[Bruce]

On Thu, 30 Dec 2021 20:13:07 -0500, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

It's fishier than salmon.

[Jeßus]

LOL, damn. I know I've had mackerel but can't recall what it was like.
is it really that bad?

[Hank Rogers]

I'll bet.

Does the scent hold up better after digestion Master?

[Hank Rogers]

Master, that dutch mackerel is the finest shit in the universe.

[Hank Rogers]

You're pretty keen on odors master. I'll take your word for it.

[jmcquown]

Canned mackerel? No, it was not good when I tried substituting it for
canned salmon to make patties. I cannot imagine canned mackerel has
improved much in the intervening years.

Jill

[Bruce]

Who doesn't know what mackerel tastes like? How sheltered your life
must have been :)

[Bruce]

On Thu, 30 Dec 2021 21:11:57 -0500, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

Sometimes it's more about the cook than about the ingredients :)

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

That was the real me that said I'd never eat it again and I think it's awful.
Maybe if I had it prepared fresh and not canned it might be better but the
canned stuff is terrible.

[Jeßus]

On Thu, 30 Dec 2021 21:11:57 -0500, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

I guess I'll just have to buy a can and find out for myself :)

[Jeßus]

Well, that's two of you saying it's awful. Maybe I'll stick to canned
tuna (which I rarely eat).

[Michael Trew]

On 12/30/2021 16:19, Sheldon Martin wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Dec 2021 14:33:12 -0500, Michael Trew
> <michae...@att.net> wrote:
>
>> On 12/29/2021 19:51, jmcquown wrote:
>>> I adapted this from a Gullah cookbook but there's nothing particularly
>>> Gullah about it.
>>>
>>> 1 can (15 oz) canned pink salmon, drained
>>>
>>> Saute in butter:
>>> 1/2 small onion, finely chopped
>>> 1/2 small green bell pepper, finely chopped
>>> 1 clove minced garlic
>>>
>>> Combine with the salmon:
>>>
>>> 1 large egg, beaten
>>> 3 Tbs. flour

>>> salt& pepper

> .... but these days herring is so scarce that they had to change the

> name. My mother and father were very fond of all kinds of canned fish
> so I got to eat it very often... kipper snacks was a favorite.
> Naturally pickled fish was more popular in Brooklyn than hamburgers.
> Matjes herring was my favorite. My father being Russian he was
> addicted to pickled fish... went well with schnapps or vodka. My
> mother liked pickled/smoked fish too but she was a tea drinker, even
> had her special samovar.
> https://www.thoughtco.com/russian-samovar-4771018

Ah, I've seen those before! Someone brought one into the antique mall
to sell, and at first, a couple of us had no clue what it was. It was
far more primitive and not decorated nicely like that one. The store
owner figured out that it was a Russian Samovar, a very old one.

[Michael Trew]

On 12/30/2021 17:20, jmcquown wrote:
> On 12/30/2021 4:19 PM, Sheldon Martin wrote:
>> On Thu, 30 Dec 2021 14:33:12 -0500, Michael Trew
>> <michae...@att.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks! I have a can of pink salmon in the cabinet that I've been
>>> meaning to use. Will have to make patties one of these days.
>>>
>>> I've also seen red salmon in cans that the store, but it was
>>> significantly more expensive. Is it a flavor difference?
>>
>> The red salmon does taste better (my taste) and is more neatly and
>> solidly packed into the can, there's less fatty skin and fewer bones.
>> Even the salmon stock tastes a lot better, don't drain it down the
>> sink, I drink it when no one is looking. It's well worth the price
>> difference... it's almost too good for patties...
>
> I would not pay the higher price for canned red salmon if all I'm doing
> with it is turning it into patties. By the time you add all the other
> ingredients I'm hard pressed to taste any difference.
>
> Jill

Fair enough. I'll have to try the red salmon by it's self or in a salad
as Sheldon recommended some day.

[Michael Trew]

I saw that last picture you posted... you look great for being over 100
years old ;)

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

It's all that formaldehyde I drink every day that keeps me so young.

;o)

[Michael Trew]

Let us know, I'm curious now.

[dsi1]

Mackerel cooked Japanese style i.e., salt broiled, is my favorite way to eat fish. It's dead simple to make. When we lived on the mainland I'd always order saba shiroyaki when going to our favorite Japanese restaurant. I can understand people not liking saba because it's got a strong smell. I got a new Ninja air-fryer thingamajig. That is capable of high temperature broiling. That's great, now I can prepare saba properly - with a scorched skin. Of course, it's gonna make that shiny new Ninja smell fishy. That's the breaks.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/43mJPPxsoZQLRTDi6

[Bruce]

On Fri, 31 Dec 2021 00:05:59 -0800 (PST), dsi1
<dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:

>On Thursday, December 30, 2021 at 3:37:10 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:

?

>> It's the healthiest fish to eat. Smoked mackerel is a Dutch classic
>> that even Dutch obligatory meat eaters are familiar with. Indonesians
>> make great dishes with mackerel too. The canned version isn't the
>> nicest, but good enough for patties.
>>
>> Australian mackerels are much bigger and seem less oily than what I
>> was used to in the Netherlands.
>
>Mackerel cooked Japanese style i.e., salt broiled, is my favorite way to eat fish. It's dead simple to make. When we lived on the mainland I'd always order saba shiroyaki when going to our favorite Japanese restaurant. I can understand people not liking saba because it's got a strong smell. I got a new Ninja air-fryer thingamajig. That is capable of high temperature broiling. That's great, now I can prepare saba properly - with a scorched skin. Of course, it's gonna make that shiny new Ninja smell fishy. That's the breaks.
>
>https://photos.app.goo.gl/43mJPPxsoZQLRTDi6

Just talking about canned mackerel, these 2 are very different
products:

1)
https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/69a5746a-a228-4c17-a02c-fb035ab4abed_2.26f3d9ed39b081aa1b4df0f8d9fe0ea8.jpeg

2)
https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/17e1b21d-4769-4acf-8aec-4bf97b0c7101.68b1dc70568391fd6bb41a15e9dd069f.jpeg

I think that most people who hate canned mackerel base their opinion
on 1).

(Of course, ideally one would leave those fish alone and eat a
vegetable, a grain or a legume, but I don't want to raise the bar too
high.)

[Cindy Hamilton]

I don't know what canned mackerel tastes like. I've had saba shioyaki
a couple of times.

Cindy Hamilton

[S Viemeister]

I've had canned - never again!
But freshly caught, yes that's very good.

[Mike Duffy]

On Fri, 31 Dec 2021 00:05:59 -0800, dsi1 wrote:

> I got a new Ninja air-fryer thingamajig.

Santa brought me a 'T-Fal'. I had always thought the disadvantage of less
counter space & extra cleaning would preclude any advantages, but I must
admit that for one serving of anything, it's much quicker than the forced-
air oven.

French fries are easier & quicker. My only advice so far is not to use
the juliennes (<5 mm) because they slip down the drain slots into the
excess oil pan.

[Dave Smith]

I had fresh halibut steaks once. My wife had bought them and I was not
keen on trying it because I had cut up tons of the stuff to feed the
marine mammals I was training and Marineland. I used to start the day
cutting up more than 600 lbs of the stuff. It never occurred to me that
it would be fit for humans. We found a recipe that involved a sauce with
lemon juice and capers and it was actually pretty good.

[Dave Smith]

We bought the Phillips XXL. It takes up counter space but it gets used a
lot. My wife has mastered fries in it. I have used it to roast potatoes
and for squashed potatoes. It is great for grilled cheese sandwiches. I
have used it to heat up frozen samosas. I was disappointed when I used
it for Buffalo wings. It would could only handle on decent serving of
wings at a time and the cooking time was way too long to do a serving at
a time.

[Bruce]

On Wednesday, December 29, 2021 at 8:56:47 PM UTC-6, Hank Rogers wrote:
> Bruce wrote:
> > On Wed, 29 Dec 2021 17:17:44 -0800 (PST), Bryan Simmons
> > <bryang...@gmail.com> wrote:

> >
> >> On Wednesday, December 29, 2021 at 6:51:46 PM UTC-6, j_mc...@comcast.net wrote:
> >>> I adapted this from a Gullah cookbook but there's nothing particularly
> >>> Gullah about it.
> >>>
> >>> 1 can (15 oz) canned pink salmon, drained
> >>>
> >>> Saute in butter:
> >>> 1/2 small onion, finely chopped
> >>> 1/2 small green bell pepper, finely chopped
> >>> 1 clove minced garlic
> >>>
> >>> Combine with the salmon:
> >>>
> >>> 1 large egg, beaten
> >>> 3 Tbs. flour

> >>> salt & pepper

> >>> 1/2 tsp. cayenne pepper
> >>> 1-2 Tbs. sour cream or prepared mayonnaise
> >>>
> >>> Drain the liquid from the canned salmon and place in a large mixing
> >>> bowl. (If you're finicky like Gary, remove the small round bones or buy
> >>> boneless canned salmon.) Combine all the ingredients and mash well
> >>> togther with a fork. I rarely have sour cream on hand but find jarred
> >>> mayo to work just fine as a substitute. Form the salmon mixture into
> >>> patties and place on a platter lined with waxed paper (easy cleanup).
> >>> Place in the refrigerator to let set for at at least 10 minutes.
> >>>
> >>> Cook the salmon patties in a large skillet in a bit of neutral oil (I
> >>> use corn oil) until the patties are browned and crisp on the outside,
> >>> hot and tender inside. Drain on paper towels and serve while hot.
> >>>
> >>> *Note: In recent years I've found if you lightly dust the salmon patties
> >>> with a little cornstarch before letting them set it makes for a crispier
> >>> outside but does not alter the taste.
> >>>
> >>> Serves 6
> >>>

> >> What do you call housewives from circa 1970 who served crap
> >> like that to their husbands?
> >>
> >> Divorcees.
> >
> > There's nothing wrong with it. I'd probably like it, unless I'm a
> > vegetarian.
> >
> You don't eat dead salmon corpse master?


I don't think he's a troll. Hank Rogers, GM and the other froggers are
trolls. Nevertheless, people sometimes talk to them as if they're
normal, decent people. Why? Because they have an enemy in common.

RFC, for all your double standards

[bruce bowser]

On Thursday, December 30, 2021 at 5:08:45 PM UTC-5, j_mc...@comcast.net wrote:
> On 12/30/2021 2:33 PM, Michael Trew wrote:

> > Thanks! I have a can of pink salmon in the cabinet that I've been
> > meaning to use. Will have to make patties one of these days.
> >
> > I've also seen red salmon in cans that the store, but it was
> > significantly more expensive. Is it a flavor difference?
>

> IMO, not enough to justify the price difference, especially when using
> them for something like salmon patties.

Salmon tastes YUCKY to the bowser, OK Jill?

[Bruce]

Ik denk niet dat hij een trol is. Hank Rogers, GM en de andere Froggers zijn
trollen. Toch praten mensen soms met ze alsof ze...
normale, fatsoenlijke mensen. Waarom? Omdat ze een gemeenschappelijke vijand hebben.

RFC, voor al je dubbele standaarden

[Cindy Hamilton]

And we all feel just terrible about that.

Cindy Hamilton

[dsi1]

I have a toaster oven and an air fryer. I don't much care for either of them. The toaster oven lacks some serious horsepower and the air fryer has a tiny cooking area. The Ninja has a wider, flatter, cooking surface. I won't be able to cook a whole chicken but having the heating elements closer allows more efficient transfer of heat. The heating elements are some kind of halogen bulbs instead of resistive elements which work great in these things. They are fast and powerful.
Do you make fries with raw potatoes or do you reheat frozen fries?

[jmcquown]

I'm wringing my hands and gnashing my teeth! ;)

Jill

[GM]

Lol... *perfect* retort...

--
GM

[Jeßus]

It's Jan 1 here and now the year is already ruined thanks to this
revelation. I might start a campaign to ban salmon, so there is still
some hope for 2022.

[Jeßus]

I'll probably forget all about it but OK :)

[Bruce]

Yes. Ghe Ghe Ghe :)))))))))))

[Sheldon Martin]

On Fri, 31 Dec 2021 12:56:32 +0000, S Viemeister
<firs...@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:

>On 31/12/2021 itsjoannotjoann wrote:
>> On Thursday, December 30, 2021 Jeßus wrote:

>>> On Thu, 30 Dec 2021 Fake itsjoan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>> If I never eat mackerel again it will be too soon.
>>>>
>>> LOL, damn. I know I've had mackerel but can't recall what it was like.
>>> is it really that bad?
>>>
>> That was the real me that said I'd never eat it again and I think it's awful.
>> Maybe if I had it prepared fresh and not canned it might be better but the
>> canned stuff is terrible.
>>
>I've had canned - never again!
>But freshly caught, yes that's very good.

Any seafood is excellent when eaten freshly caught out of the sea,
even 12 hours it's not so good anymore. Most people buy fish at a
super market and think it's freshly caught but rarely is it out of the
water less than 24 hours, more like 3 days... and if purchased a few
hundred miles from the sea add another day. Most people living inland
have never eaten fresh seafood. For those people canned is as fresh
as they'll ever eat... canned seafood is fully processed on factory
ships while at sea, prepared and canned mere hours after caught.
Canned salmon is better than most people will ever eat, not unless
they caught it themselves.

I used go out after the midnight shift with a few guy to fish off the
rock jettys in Santa Monica and we'd catch mackeral on treble hooks,
wonderful eating grilled or smoked. We'd give our catch to a fellow
who smaked fish and the next day he'd give us by weight half our
catch, smoked and scrumptious. Mackeral is a fatty fish, perfect for
smoking. Fifty pounds of smoked fish was still too much, I'd feed my
neighbors. One hefty gal with monster bosoms loved smoked mackeral,
she thought it tasted almost better than young penis.

[US Janet]

Fresh halibut is really expensive now, over $20/pound. And not
large like when I was a kid and mom bought it all the time because it
was so inexpensive. I love it but don't buy it because the cuts
don't compare to what I was used to as a kid and also because of the
expense. The cuts when I was a kid were simillar in shape and size to
a nice pork rib steak. Something else that has been overfished.
Janete US

[Dave Smith]

Forget that I wrote that. I realize that I wrote halibut. My mind was
talking about makerel.
We had halibut twice in the last few weeks. It was delicious, but it was
very expensive.

[S Viemeister]

On 31/12/2021 21:49, Sheldon Martin wrote:
> On Fri, 31 Dec 2021 12:56:32 +0000, S Viemeister

>> On 31/12/2021 itsjoannotjoann wrote:
>>> On Thursday, December 30, 2021 Jeßus wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 30 Dec 2021 Fake itsjoan wrote:
>>>>> If I never eat mackerel again it will be too soon.
>>>> LOL, damn. I know I've had mackerel but can't recall what it was like.
>>>> is it really that bad?
>>> That was the real me that said I'd never eat it again and I think it's awful.
>>> Maybe if I had it prepared fresh and not canned it might be better but the
>>> canned stuff is terrible.
>>>
>> I've had canned - never again!
>> But freshly caught, yes that's very good.
>
> Any seafood is excellent when eaten freshly caught out of the sea,
> even 12 hours it's not so good anymore.

The fresh mackerel I've had was caught by either my grandfather, or a
cousin whose house overlooked a bay. He could see by the disturbance in
the water, when a school of mackerel had swum in from the north
Atlantic. He always shared his catch.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Friday, December 31, 2021 at 1:51:19 PM UTC-6, dsi1 wrote:
>
> The Ninja has a wider, flatter, cooking surface. I won't be able to
> cook a whole chicken but having the heating elements closer
> allows more efficient transfer of heat. The heating elements are
> some kind of halogen bulbs instead of resistive elements which
> work great in these things. They are fast and powerful.
>

Post what model of Ninja appliance you've got.

[Hank Rogers]

It's probably a special model only sold on the rock, so not
available on the mainland.

[dsi1]

Beats me. It's the flat one that folds up to save space. I dig that curved display. It's a smart design move because it's so low you're going to be looking down at it.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/3MukoNcgYRHDywHLA

[Bruce]

1940’s Hollywood actress Lupe Vélez died by drowning in a toilet bowl.

Lupe Vélez was a popular actress in the 1930’s and 1940’s, known for her zany “Mexican Spitfire” films. The
film series was inspired by Lupe’s fiery personality and ‘The Mexican Spitfire’ became her nickname. But while
her career was doing well, her personal life was a bit squalid and in 1944 she found herself knocked up and
unwed! The relationship with the stud father of her child was rocky and she was so upset that she decided
to snuff her life.

Her suicide note read: ‘To Harald, May God forgive you and forgive me too, but I prefer to take my life away and
our baby’s before I bring him with shame or killing him’.

According to legend, Lupe planned to stage a beautiful suicide scene. She did her hair and make-up, put on a
beautiful Chanel nightgown, arranged fresh flowers, and lit scented candles in her bedroom. She took an overdose – 75 tabs! - of
Seconal, but it did not mix so well with the spicy Mexican "last meal" feast she had just gobbled down. She started to throw up
the undigested Mexican mess and stumbled to the loo. There, she tripped and dove headfirst into the toilet bowl,
vomited, and subsequently drowned.

Her housekeeper Juanita found her the next morning, still in the same position.

What had been planned as a “beautiful exit” was a ghastly vomitous scene! Her autopsy report listed “suffocation/drowning
by Mexican food” as cause of death :-(

[Michael Trew]

Perhaps you and Joan can share recipes. It looks like a nifty thing,
but I don't want to risk buying an air fryer thing and wasting counter
space. Anything that I desire to cook can be made on my stove or in the
oven.

[Leonard Blaisdell]

On 2021-12-31, Bruce <Br...@notreal.invalid> wrote:

> (Of course, ideally one would leave those fish alone and eat a
> vegetable, a grain or a legume, but I don't want to raise the bar too
> high.)

You've mixed up "raise" with "lower", but you're getting there!

[Michael Trew]

On 12/31/2021 16:49, Sheldon Martin wrote:
> On Fri, 31 Dec 2021 12:56:32 +0000, S Viemeister
> <firs...@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:
>
>> On 31/12/2021 itsjoannotjoann wrote:
>>> On Thursday, December 30, 2021 Jeßus wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 30 Dec 2021 Fake itsjoan wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>> If I never eat mackerel again it will be too soon.
>>>>>
>>>> LOL, damn. I know I've had mackerel but can't recall what it was like.
>>>> is it really that bad?
>>>>
>>> That was the real me that said I'd never eat it again and I think it's awful.
>>> Maybe if I had it prepared fresh and not canned it might be better but the
>>> canned stuff is terrible.
>>>
>> I've had canned - never again!
>> But freshly caught, yes that's very good.
>
> Any seafood is excellent when eaten freshly caught out of the sea,
> even 12 hours it's not so good anymore. Most people buy fish at a
> super market and think it's freshly caught but rarely is it out of the
> water less than 24 hours, more like 3 days... and if purchased a few
> hundred miles from the sea add another day. Most people living inland
> have never eaten fresh seafood. For those people canned is as fresh
> as they'll ever eat... canned seafood is fully processed on factory
> ships while at sea, prepared and canned mere hours after caught.
> Canned salmon is better than most people will ever eat, not unless
> they caught it themselves.

Wouldn't flash-frozen salmon be just as "fresh" as canned?

[Michael Trew]

On 12/31/2021 12:21, bruce bowser wrote:
> On Thursday, December 30, 2021 at 5:08:45 PM UTC-5, j_mc...@comcast.net wrote:
>> On 12/30/2021 2:33 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
>>> On 12/29/2021 19:51, jmcquown wrote:
>>>> I adapted this from a Gullah cookbook but there's nothing particularly
>>>> Gullah about it.
>>>>
>>>> 1 can (15 oz) canned pink salmon, drained
>>>>
>>>> Saute in butter:
>>>> 1/2 small onion, finely chopped
>>>> 1/2 small green bell pepper, finely chopped
>>>> 1 clove minced garlic
>>>>
>>>> Combine with the salmon:
>>>>
>>>> 1 large egg, beaten
>>>> 3 Tbs. flour

>>>> salt& pepper

>>>> 1/2 tsp. cayenne pepper
>>>> 1-2 Tbs. sour cream or prepared mayonnaise
>>>>
>>>> Drain the liquid from the canned salmon and place in a large mixing
>>>> bowl. (If you're finicky like Gary, remove the small round bones or buy
>>>> boneless canned salmon.) Combine all the ingredients and mash well
>>>> togther with a fork. I rarely have sour cream on hand but find jarred
>>>> mayo to work just fine as a substitute. Form the salmon mixture into
>>>> patties and place on a platter lined with waxed paper (easy cleanup).
>>>> Place in the refrigerator to let set for at at least 10 minutes.
>>>>
>>>> Cook the salmon patties in a large skillet in a bit of neutral oil (I
>>>> use corn oil) until the patties are browned and crisp on the outside,
>>>> hot and tender inside. Drain on paper towels and serve while hot.
>>>>
>>>> *Note: In recent years I've found if you lightly dust the salmon patties
>>>> with a little cornstarch before letting them set it makes for a crispier
>>>> outside but does not alter the taste.
>>>>
>>>> Serves 6
>>>
>>> Thanks! I have a can of pink salmon in the cabinet that I've been
>>> meaning to use. Will have to make patties one of these days.
>>>
>>> I've also seen red salmon in cans that the store, but it was
>>> significantly more expensive. Is it a flavor difference?
>>
>> IMO, not enough to justify the price difference, especially when using
>> them for something like salmon patties.
>
> Salmon tastes YUCKY to the bowser, OK Jill?

LOL... seriously though, what kind of salmon did you have? I only have
salmon once or twice per year. It's not worth the expense for good
salmon to me. Pretty good when it's roasted correctly. I like to broil
it with honey, soy sauce, and sesame seeds.

[Michael Trew]

Nope, 2022 is already ruined. Betty White died today, just days short
of her 100th birthday. Very sad.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/betty-white-beloved-and-trailblazing-actress-dies-at-99/ar-AASjLFL

[Jeßus]

I see a lot of people upset about it. I'm indifferent, she was only a
TV actor, so. Just me. TV was never a big part of my life <shrug>.

Many people lead selfless lives and dedicate themselves to helping
others, only to die with little to no publicity.

[GM]

Yes, I was shocked, and shed a few tears. But she's left us a wonderful legacy, and that brings us great joy...

I was not so much shedding a few tears at her passing as such, but for the fact that now that she is gone, the
world is now a less pleasant and a bit meaner place...

I was talking with a friend of mine today about it, we both said it's a little like JFK's 11/22/63 death, but this was
not a bloody unexpected assassination, and she *was* "up there in years"...

Betty was in TV ___82___ years, she was in experimental TV broadcasts in 1939 that IIRC were done at a
Los Angeles Packard automobile dealer as a publicity event. 1939...!!!

The next death that will register "big time" will be when Queen Elizabeth II passes, at the age of 96 she is a
"titanic" figure of world history, and is very greatly admired...

"Time passes... it waits for no one..."

--
GM

[jmcquown]

Yes, sad. I just found out and posted separately about it. I always
liked Betty White and the characters she portrayed. Sometimes in her
television roles she even wore red lipstick. ;)

Jill

[GM]

On the WML? FB group someone posted a list of the Mystery Celebrity Guests born in 1922. Some of these
names are *very* long gone. IIRC Doris Day might be the most recently deceased, at the age of 97 in
2019:


Betty White 1/18/22
Guy Madison 1/19/22
Audrey Meadows 2/8/22
Kathryn Grayson 2/9/22
Cyd Charisse 3/8/22
Marty Allen 3/23/22
Doris Day 4/3/22
Gale Storm 4/5/1922
Darren McGavin 5/7/1922
Nancy Walker 5/10/22
George Axelrod 6/9/22
Judy Garland 6/10/22
Jack Carter 6/24/22
Jason Robards 7/26/22
Sid Caesar 9/8/22
Jackie Cooper 9/15/22
Veronica Lake 11/14/22
Eamonn Andrews 12/19/22
Paul Winchell 12/21/22
Ava Gardner 12/24/22

</>

[jmcquown]

Oddly enough, Bruce is the one who first brought up using canned
mackerel for making fish patties. That was a few years ago. (Canned
mackerel has not improved.) No way can a grain or a legume taste like
fish patties. Can't taste like beef or chicken, either.

Jill

[jmcquown]

On 12/31/2021 8:39 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
>
> Wouldn't flash-frozen salmon be just as "fresh" as canned?

No. Canned fish is steam cooked. Flash frozen is not cooked. It's raw
fish. Totally different processes and tastes.

Jill

[Jeßus]

On Fri, 31 Dec 2021 21:24:39 -0500, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

I remember way back, asking him why he was fine eating fish but not
birds or mammals. Never got a logical explanation.

[Mike Duffy]

On Fri, 31 Dec 2021 11:51:14 -0800, dsi1 wrote:

> Do you make fries with raw potatoes or do you reheat frozen fries?

So far, only frozen juliennes from Costco. I do intend fresh. They say
they can do potato chips (UK crisps) as well.

[Bruce]

On Fri, 31 Dec 2021 21:24:39 -0500, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

Duh.

[Bruce]

Corpse eaters shouldn't preach.

[Bruce]

Of course not. They cost money! Can you believe it?

[Bruce]

Canned is cooked. Frozen is not cooked. Do we have to explain
everything to this guy?

[Bruce]

On Fri, 31 Dec 2021 21:26:58 -0500, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

Do they have schools in fly-over states?

[Bruce]

On Sat, 01 Jan 2022 14:24:30 +1100, Bruce <Br...@notreal.invalid>
wrote:

This is not my frogger

[Bruce]

On Sat, 01 Jan 2022 14:21:44 +1100, Bruce <Br...@notreal.invalid>
wrote:

This is my frogger

[Bruce]

On Sat, 01 Jan 2022 14:22:30 +1100, Bruce <Br...@notreal.invalid>
wrote:

This is my frogger

[Bruce]

On Sat, 01 Jan 2022 14:23:44 +1100, Bruce <Br...@notreal.invalid>
wrote:

[Bruce]

On Fri, 31 Dec 2021 09:21:12 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
<bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, December 30, 2021 at 5:08:45 PM UTC-5, j_mc...@comcast.net wrote:
>> On 12/30/2021 2:33 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
>> > On 12/29/2021 19:51, jmcquown wrote:
>> >> I adapted this from a Gullah cookbook but there's nothing particularly
>> >> Gullah about it.
>> >>
>> >> 1 can (15 oz) canned pink salmon, drained
>> >>
>> >> Saute in butter:
>> >> 1/2 small onion, finely chopped
>> >> 1/2 small green bell pepper, finely chopped
>> >> 1 clove minced garlic
>> >>
>> >> Combine with the salmon:
>> >>
>> >> 1 large egg, beaten
>> >> 3 Tbs. flour

>> >> salt & pepper

>> >> 1/2 tsp. cayenne pepper
>> >> 1-2 Tbs. sour cream or prepared mayonnaise
>> >>
>> >> Drain the liquid from the canned salmon and place in a large mixing
>> >> bowl. (If you're finicky like Gary, remove the small round bones or buy
>> >> boneless canned salmon.) Combine all the ingredients and mash well
>> >> togther with a fork. I rarely have sour cream on hand but find jarred
>> >> mayo to work just fine as a substitute. Form the salmon mixture into
>> >> patties and place on a platter lined with waxed paper (easy cleanup).
>> >> Place in the refrigerator to let set for at at least 10 minutes.
>> >>
>> >> Cook the salmon patties in a large skillet in a bit of neutral oil (I
>> >> use corn oil) until the patties are browned and crisp on the outside,
>> >> hot and tender inside. Drain on paper towels and serve while hot.
>> >>
>> >> *Note: In recent years I've found if you lightly dust the salmon patties
>> >> with a little cornstarch before letting them set it makes for a crispier
>> >> outside but does not alter the taste.
>> >>
>> >> Serves 6
>> >
>> > Thanks! I have a can of pink salmon in the cabinet that I've been
>> > meaning to use. Will have to make patties one of these days.
>> >
>> > I've also seen red salmon in cans that the store, but it was
>> > significantly more expensive. Is it a flavor difference?
>>
>> IMO, not enough to justify the price difference, especially when using
>> them for something like salmon patties.
>

>Salmon tastes YUCKY to the bowser, OK Jill?

Uhm, Ghe Ghe Ghe.

[Bruce]

On Fri, 31 Dec 2021 09:27:33 -0800 (PST), Bruce <froma...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Ik denk niet dat hij een trol is. Hank Rogers, GM en de andere Froggers zijn
>trollen. Toch praten mensen soms met ze alsof ze...
>normale, fatsoenlijke mensen. Waarom? Omdat ze een gemeenschappelijke vijand hebben.
>
>RFC, voor al je dubbele standaarden
This is my frogger

[Bruce]

On Fri, 31 Dec 2021 20:43:02 -0500, Michael Trew
<michae...@att.net> wrote:

>On 12/31/2021 15:13, Jeßus wrote:
>> On Fri, 31 Dec 2021 11:48:51 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>> <angelica...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Friday, December 31, 2021 at 12:21:17 PM UTC-5, bruce bowser wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Salmon tastes YUCKY to the bowser, OK Jill?
>>>
>>> And we all feel just terrible about that.
>>
>> It's Jan 1 here and now the year is already ruined thanks to this
>> revelation. I might start a campaign to ban salmon, so there is still
>> some hope for 2022.
>
>Nope, 2022 is already ruined. Betty White died today, just days short
>of her 100th birthday. Very sad.

She already had an RFC age in the 1950s!

[Bruce]

Hey, I'm not dead yet.

[Bruce]

On Fri, 31 Dec 2021 21:18:11 -0500, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

It must be sad to hear about someone from your generation dying.

[Bruce]

[Michael Trew]

True, and I was also purposely overreacting. Either way, it's still
quite unfortunate. When someone is as popular as Betty White, and lives
as long as her, they kind of become a legend in their own right. I
loved to watch her on 1950's game shows.

[Michael Trew]

I haven't hopped on that page in a while. I do recall reading about
Doris Day not long ago. She wanted to go out quietly, and requested no
funeral/viewing, IIRC.

[Michael Trew]

True, and I was also purposely overreacting a bit. Write it off as a
crappy ending to two crappy years in a row, and let's all hope for a
better 2022. Either way, her passing is still quite unfortunate.

When someone is as popular as Betty White, and lives as long as she did,

they kind of become a legend in their own right. I loved to watch her

on 1950's game shows. It's not every day that you hear about an 80+
year acting career... heck, an 80 year career in any regard is extremely
rare. She started on television back in the 30's. She basically
founded TV acting from its beginning.

[Bruce]

Well, if it wasn't for that laughing tape show with the 3 women, I'm
afraid I'd never have heard of her.

[Jeßus]

On Sat, 01 Jan 2022 01:45:30 -0500, Michael Trew

She was certainly not controversial or anything, and seemed to be
universally loved. Well, maybe solar system loved.

https://i.postimg.cc/sDDvc0H1/weend.jpg

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On 12/31/2021 2:51 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> I'm wringing my hands and gnashing my teeth! ;)
>
> Jill
>
You always do that when you post, Jill.

[Bruce]

Ghe.

[Gary]

jmcquown wrote:
> Canned mackerel?   No, it was not good when I tried substituting it for
> canned salmon to make patties.

Canned mackerel must be especially bad if you rate them below canned salmon.

[Gary]

Michael Trew wrote:
> Wouldn't flash-frozen salmon be just as "fresh" as canned?

Flash frozen fresh salmon is way superior to canned.
Don't waste your money on canned.

I could call it dog food but even your dog wouldn't eat it.

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Friday, December 31, 2021 at 4:49:55 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
> On Fri, 31 Dec 2021 12:56:32 +0000, S Viemeister
> <firs...@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:
>
> >On 31/12/2021 itsjoannotjoann wrote:
> >> On Thursday, December 30, 2021 Jeßus wrote:
> >>> On Thu, 30 Dec 2021 Fake itsjoan wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>> If I never eat mackerel again it will be too soon.
> >>>>
> >>> LOL, damn. I know I've had mackerel but can't recall what it was like.
> >>> is it really that bad?
> >>>
> >> That was the real me that said I'd never eat it again and I think it's awful.
> >> Maybe if I had it prepared fresh and not canned it might be better but the
> >> canned stuff is terrible.
> >>
> >I've had canned - never again!
> >But freshly caught, yes that's very good.

> Any seafood is excellent when eaten freshly caught out of the sea,
> even 12 hours it's not so good anymore. Most people buy fish at a
> super market and think it's freshly caught but rarely is it out of the
> water less than 24 hours, more like 3 days... and if purchased a few
> hundred miles from the sea add another day. Most people living inland
> have never eaten fresh seafood. For those people canned is as fresh
> as they'll ever eat... canned seafood is fully processed on factory
> ships while at sea, prepared and canned mere hours after caught.
> Canned salmon is better than most people will ever eat, not unless
> they caught it themselves.

Welcome to the 20th Century. Fish is frozen on factory ships at sea.
It's far superior to canned fish.

Cindy Hamilton

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Friday, December 31, 2021 at 8:53:38 PM UTC-5, Jeßus wrote:
> On Fri, 31 Dec 2021 20:43:02 -0500, Michael Trew
> <michae...@att.net> wrote:
>
> >On 12/31/2021 15:13, Jeßus wrote:
> >> On Fri, 31 Dec 2021 11:48:51 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> >> <angelica...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Friday, December 31, 2021 at 12:21:17 PM UTC-5, bruce bowser wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Salmon tastes YUCKY to the bowser, OK Jill?
> >>>
> >>> And we all feel just terrible about that.
> >>
> >> It's Jan 1 here and now the year is already ruined thanks to this
> >> revelation. I might start a campaign to ban salmon, so there is still
> >> some hope for 2022.
> >
> >Nope, 2022 is already ruined. Betty White died today, just days short
> >of her 100th birthday. Very sad.
> >
> >https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/betty-white-beloved-and-trailblazing-actress-dies-at-99/ar-AASjLFL
> I see a lot of people upset about it. I'm indifferent, she was only a
> TV actor, so. Just me. TV was never a big part of my life <shrug>.
>
> Many people lead selfless lives and dedicate themselves to helping
> others, only to die with little to no publicity.

Betty White did a lot of work for animal welfare. She had the means and
the visibility to do a lot of good.

Cindy Hamilton

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Friday, December 31, 2021 at 9:22:51 PM UTC-5, GM wrote:

> On Friday, December 31, 2021 at 7:43:01 PM UTC-6, Michael Trew wrote:
> > On 12/31/2021 15:13, Jeßus wrote:
> > > On Fri, 31 Dec 2021 11:48:51 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> > > <angelica...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Friday, December 31, 2021 at 12:21:17 PM UTC-5, bruce bowser wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Salmon tastes YUCKY to the bowser, OK Jill?
> > >>
> > >> And we all feel just terrible about that.
> > >
> > > It's Jan 1 here and now the year is already ruined thanks to this
> > > revelation. I might start a campaign to ban salmon, so there is still
> > > some hope for 2022.
> > Nope, 2022 is already ruined. Betty White died today, just days short
> > of her 100th birthday. Very sad.
> >
> > https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/betty-white-beloved-and-trailblazing-actress-dies-at-99/ar-AASjLFL

> On the WML? FB group someone posted a list of the Mystery Celebrity Guests born in 1922. Some of these
> names are *very* long gone. IIRC Doris Day might be the most recently deceased, at the age of 97 in
> 2019:
>
>
> Betty White 1/18/22
> Guy Madison 1/19/22
> Audrey Meadows 2/8/22
> Kathryn Grayson 2/9/22
> Cyd Charisse 3/8/22
> Marty Allen 3/23/22
> Doris Day 4/3/22
> Gale Storm 4/5/1922
> Darren McGavin 5/7/1922
> Nancy Walker 5/10/22
> George Axelrod 6/9/22
> Judy Garland 6/10/22
> Jack Carter 6/24/22
> Jason Robards 7/26/22
> Sid Caesar 9/8/22
> Jackie Cooper 9/15/22
> Veronica Lake 11/14/22
> Eamonn Andrews 12/19/22
> Paul Winchell 12/21/22
> Ava Gardner 12/24/22
>
> </>

They sure don't make them like they used to.

Cindy Hamilton

[Gary]

On 12/31/2021 9:18 PM, jmcquown wrote:

> On 12/31/2021 8:43 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
>> On 12/31/2021 15:13, Jeßus wrote:
>>> On Fri, 31 Dec 2021 11:48:51 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>>> <angelica...@yahoo.com>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Friday, December 31, 2021 at 12:21:17 PM UTC-5, bruce bowser wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Salmon tastes YUCKY to the bowser, OK Jill?
>>>>
>>>> And we all feel just terrible about that.
>>>
>>> It's Jan 1 here and now the year is already ruined thanks to this
>>> revelation. I might start a campaign to ban salmon, so there is still
>>> some hope for 2022.
>>
>> Nope, 2022 is already ruined.  Betty White died today, just days short
>> of her 100th birthday.  Very sad.
>>
>> https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/betty-white-beloved-and-trailblazing-actress-dies-at-99/ar-AASjLFL
>>

> Yes, sad.  I just found out and posted separately about it.  I always
> liked Betty White and the characters she portrayed.  Sometimes in her
> television roles she even wore red lipstick. ;)

Don't fault her for that. She was a woman. Most women don't know any
better. :)

[Cindy Hamilton]

Not your sort of movie at all, but I loved her in Lake Placid:
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MV-fZGxKZak>

Sorry if this is geoblocked.

Cindy Hamilton

[Bryan Simmons]

Yes. Pink salmon is edible, but red salmon tastes good.

--Bryan

[Dave Smith]

I kinda like canned salmon. Living inland we rarely had access to salmon
when I was a kid so canned was the only salmon we knew. I still like
canned salmon salad sandwiches. I am not going to pretend that it is
anything like fresh salmon.