Won't be doing much cooking.

[Julie Bove]

This is due to two things. Lack of available meat. I don't want pork or fake
meats. I do have a pound of ground beef to use up and a raw beef roast in
the freezer.

I do have some frozen and refrigerated prepared foods. I have frozen and
canned vegetables. Some other canned food. Plenty of pasta, rice and dried
beans. So... I shall be living off of those things for the time being.
Might make a tuna or chicken casserole or a grilled cheese. That will be
pretty much the extent of my cooking.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

Boo-hoo.

But just think, this bogus thread will probably produce at least 100
responses to feed your ego. That's better than any meat on the planet!

[Hank Rogers]

If you buy a rifle for your gardener, he can go hunting for meat.
Washington state has lots of wild game. Also get him a rod and
reel. Fish is nice once in a while.

I don't know if B&I circus is still there, but they used to have
lots of good sporting equipment. They had a gorilla too, but I
think he died some years ago.

[ZZyXX]

yum, Gorilla Burgers

[Julie Bove]

"Hank Rogers" <Nos...@invalid.com> wrote in message
news:rfdj35$1m9a$1...@gioia.aioe.org...

Neither of us will kill and neither of us eat much meat to begin with. Both
of us have eaten vegan and vegetarian diets.

The B & I hasn't been there for a very long time. They had a chicken too.

https://www.historylink.org/File/20533

I think I was in there twice to shop. My mom got a yellow vase with
butterflies on it. And I did inventory there when I was in high school. I
think the building is an antique mall but it's pretty far from here. Even if
I wanted to go there, I wouldn't. Gotta go through Seattle to get there. I'm
boycotting Seattle. Sorry tert. Just too dangerous. The rioters are saying
it's gonna burn on Sat. They set a weed store on fire yesterday.

[Snag]

Do you think maybe the shortages are caused by all the political
unrest in that area ? I know I damn sure wouldn't drive a truck into
that mess .
--
Snag
Illegitimi non
carborundum

[Snag]

Did the arsonists all stand downwind while it burned ?

[Dave Smith]

I had to wonder about a news story I read yesterday. Apparently the
protesters are going to court to have restrictions placed on the so
called federal agents. It just seems a little ironic to have people
claiming to control an autonomous zone wanting the authorities to step
in. That ranks up there with a video iI saw on FB when a cop is telling
views about a Defund the Police organization requesting a police
presence at their protest to protect them.

[bruce2...@gmail.com]

On Friday, July 24, 2020 at 1:50AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> "Hank Rogers" <Nos...@invalid.com> wrote in message
> news:rfdj35$1m9a$1...@gioia.aioe.org...
>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>> This is due to two things. Lack of available meat. I don't want pork
>>> or fake meats. I do have a pound of ground beef to use up and a raw
>>> beef roast in the freezer.
>>>
>>> I do have some frozen and refrigerated prepared foods. I have frozen
>>> and canned vegetables. Some other canned food. Plenty of pasta, rice
>>> and dried beans. So... I shall be living off of those things for the
>>> time being. Might make a tuna or chicken casserole or a grilled
>>> cheese. That will be pretty much the extent of my cooking.
>>
>> If you buy a rifle for your gardener, he can go hunting for meat.
>> Washington state has lots of wild game. Also get him a rod and reel.
>> Fish is nice once in a while.
>>
>> I don't know if B&I circus is still there, but they used to have lots
>> of good sporting equipment. They had a gorilla too, but I think he
>> died some years ago.
>
> Neither of us will kill and neither of us eat much meat to begin with.
> Both of us have eaten vegan and vegetarian diets.

I've been trying to be like that, plus the other fashionable superfoods they talk about elsewhere. It's still too tempting to ALWAYS avoid the junk. So, I just have to run around the track a couple of times more, I guess. If I was in downtown, Vancouver, Seattle or Portland like you, I'm sure the authorities wouldn't chase me down while running laps around the nearby high school track. Weird. Try picturing that.
(I know what your response is: don't put it past them)

[jmcquown]

You said it's due to two things. Lack of available meat is one. What's
the other thing?

Jill

[Sheldon Martin]

On Thu, 23 Jul 2020 19:08:43 -0700, "Julie Bove"
<juli...@frontier.com> wrote:
>
>This is due to two things. Lack of available meat. I don't want pork or fake
>meats. I do have a pound of ground beef to use up and a raw beef roast in
>the freezer.

This week Tops Market has a good sale on all beef cuts, including nice
steaks; BOGO!
I bought two large Top Round Steaks and one large Boneless Chuck...
cut em into strips and sent em through my grinder this morning and
made up eight 12 oz burgers for the freezer... two are in the fridge
for dinner tonight on Kaiser rolls. Go to Topsmarket.com and check it
out.
I've noticed no shortage on meats or anything else. Just like any
other time not every cut is available or on sale. The livestock
farmers up here are all having good sales on meats; beef/pork... thing
is you need to buy a quarter or a half, too much for us. Chickens went
on sale last week. Turkeys will be available shortly. Meats from the
livestock farmers are all free range grass fed.

[jmcquown]

On 7/24/2020 2:24 PM, Sheldon Martin wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Jul 2020 19:08:43 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> <juli...@frontier.com> wrote:
>>
>> This is due to two things. Lack of available meat. I don't want pork or fake
>> meats. I do have a pound of ground beef to use up and a raw beef roast in
>> the freezer.
>
> This week Tops Market has a good sale on all beef cuts, including nice
> steaks; BOGO!

I can't say I've ever seen "nice" steaks as a BOGO item.

> I bought two large Top Round Steaks and one large Boneless Chuck...
> cut em into strips and sent em through my grinder this morning and
> made up eight 12 oz burgers for the freezer... two are in the fridge
> for dinner tonight on Kaiser rolls. Go to Topsmarket.com and check it
> out.

Good for you, Sheldon! Going to the Tops website won't benefit anyone
here. Tops markets are only located in New York, Vermont and Northern
Pennsylvania. It's a regional chain.

> I've noticed no shortage on meats or anything else.

(snippage about local farms in upstate NY)

I haven't noticed any shortages of meats or produce, either. When the
pandemic first became apparent in March there was the hoarding toilet
paper thing... but since you have 300 twelve-packs in your basement of
course you wouldn't have noticed. ;)

I made a stock-up trip for the freezer last week. I bought packages of
fresh bratwurst and mild Italian sausage (in casings) and a couple of
nice chuck eye steaks. The bratwurst and the Italian sausage were on
sale, $1.66 off from $4.99. The chuck eye steaks, OTOH, were $10.29/lb!
Hmmmm, last time I bought them I think they were $6.99/lb.

There were plenty of ribeyes, NY strip, porterhouse. I noticed a lot of
sirloin tip steaks. Here's a "tip" about sirloin tip: they look pretty
but it's a tough as nails cut of beef. The label on the tip steaks
specifies "marinate". Woe to those who don't bother! I did have to dig
around in the meat case to find chuck eye steaks. They were hidden
under the sirloin tip steaks.

Chuck eye steaks aren't something most of the people I know have ever
heard of. The didn't start showing up at Publix until last year. I
remembered them as being delicious from well before I moved to SC. Knew
them to be tender, just as juicy and tasty as a ribeye but not nearly as
expensive. A well kept secret... ;) Not anymore.

Jill

[Bruce]

On Fri, 24 Jul 2020 15:12:30 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

>I haven't noticed any shortages of meats or produce, either. When the
>pandemic first became apparent in March there was the hoarding toilet
>paper thing... but since you have 300 twelve-packs in your basement of
>course you wouldn't have noticed. ;)
>
>I made a stock-up trip for the freezer last week. I bought packages of
>fresh bratwurst and mild Italian sausage (in casings) and a couple of
>nice chuck eye steaks. The bratwurst and the Italian sausage were on
>sale, $1.66 off from $4.99. The chuck eye steaks, OTOH, were $10.29/lb!
> Hmmmm, last time I bought them I think they were $6.99/lb.
>
>There were plenty of ribeyes, NY strip, porterhouse. I noticed a lot of
>sirloin tip steaks. Here's a "tip" about sirloin tip: they look pretty
>but it's a tough as nails cut of beef. The label on the tip steaks
>specifies "marinate". Woe to those who don't bother! I did have to dig
>around in the meat case to find chuck eye steaks. They were hidden
>under the sirloin tip steaks.
>
>Chuck eye steaks aren't something most of the people I know have ever
>heard of. The didn't start showing up at Publix until last year. I
>remembered them as being delicious from well before I moved to SC. Knew
>them to be tender, just as juicy and tasty as a ribeye but not nearly as
>expensive. A well kept secret... ;) Not anymore.

Eew... a biddy that stuffs herself with dead animals. Not a pretty
picture.

[bruce2...@gmail.com]

is fish included in that?

[Bruce]

On Fri, 24 Jul 2020 12:53:35 -0700 (PDT), bruce2...@gmail.com
wrote:

>is fish included in that?

Good question.

[Hank Rogers]

But it makes *great* sniffing for you Gruce.

[Julie Bove]

"Snag" <Snag...@msn.com> wrote in message
news:rfeieo$8a5$2...@dont-email.me...

No. I think it's because more people are going to this particular store to
get the best prices, and we're still only supposed to go out for necessities
so when people shop, they buy more than normal.

I am boycotting Seattle except for the very Northern part as my BF lives
there. Nothing bad in his area yet but there was stuff in the Northgate area
recently and he is near there.

[Julie Bove]

"Snag" <Snag...@msn.com> wrote in message

news:rfeij6$8a5$3...@dont-email.me...

Ha. I don't know. But I did think of that!

[Julie Bove]

"Dave Smith" <adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:VYASG.188118$DO2....@fx45.iad...

This whole thing is beyond crazy. We, the non-protesters can get arrested
for not wearing a mask. They are getting away with murder. It's sick and
sad.

Things had gotten better here until yesterday. Had to call about a drug deal
again. This time, the guy dropped the drugs in the park, took off and
another person picked them up.

[Julie Bove]

<bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:b0ab8bfe-a6da-4fcc...@googlegroups.com...

I've been working out like mad. Last I checked, I was down 17 pounds. I do
buy some candy and chips but I mostly buy healthy stuff. If it's not here, I
won't eat it.

[Julie Bove]

"jmcquown" <j_mc...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:xoFSG.80172$NB.7...@fx20.iad...

Oops sorry. My stockpile. I have tons of beans, rice and pasta now, bought
with the belief that the grocery stores might close. We were instructed to
lay in a stock of food to get us by for two months. Got to eat that now.

Tonight I used up the ricotta cheese in a pasta dish. The end result had the
taste of lasagna but it was too rich for me and I could only eat a few
bites.

I also screwed up. Grabbed what I thought was a small can of tomato sauce
and didn't realize the mistake until I opened it. It was carrots. Forgot
that I found two little cans of carrots somewhere and bought them. So I ate
them because the can was opened. For me, canned carrots are okay in a soup
or casserole. But on their own? Not my favorite thing.

[Julie Bove]

"Sheldon Martin" <penm...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:do8mhfp02ocibcp0t...@4ax.com...

I've been going to the Walmart Neighborhood Market as their prices are lower
overall. Granted, I won't buy much of their meat even when in stock because
I won't buy stuff with water or salt water or whatever, added.

But... I was going to pick up a pot roast at QFC. Looked to be enough for
4-6 servings. Wasn't wearing my glasses so couldn't read the weight. They
wanted $50 for it! And the price of chicken is much higher.

Also in almost every store I go to, about 1/3 of the meat counter is fake
meat. I have not noticed this at Walmart. Come to think of it, I haven't
noticed any fake meat in the meat dept. They might have it elsewhere though.

My friend dined out at a fancy restaurant the other day. They had a limited
menu as most places that are open here now do. She ordered the meatballs. It
wasn't pasta and meatballs. Just meatballs drizzled with sauce. Weird. She
loved them and asked what kind of meat they were made of. It was fake meat.
How can they call them meatballs? I've seen recipes for "Wheatballs" made of
seitan or similar. Hmmm...

[Julie Bove]

<bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:c51583ee-6aff-4aba...@googlegroups.com...

> is fish included in that?

The only fish I eat is tuna or occasionally, fish sticks.

[Mike Duffy]

On Sat, 25 Jul 2020 04:27:16 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:

> I've been working out like mad. Last I checked, I was down 17 pounds.

> [...] If it's not here, I won't eat it.

Yeh, I think I discovered your diet method by accident as well.


Anyways, good work!

[jmcquown]

On 7/25/2020 7:32 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "jmcquown" <j_mc...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:xoFSG.80172$NB.7...@fx20.iad...
>> On 7/23/2020 10:08 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> This is due to two things. Lack of available meat. I don't want pork
>>> or fake meats. I do have a pound of ground beef to use up and a raw
>>> beef roast in the freezer.
>>>
>>> I do have some frozen and refrigerated prepared foods. I have frozen
>>> and canned vegetables. Some other canned food. Plenty of pasta, rice
>>> and dried beans. So... I shall be living off of those things for the
>>> time being. Might make a tuna or chicken casserole or a grilled
>>> cheese. That will be pretty much the extent of my cooking.
>>
>> You said it's due to two things.  Lack of available meat is one.
>> What's the other thing?
>
> Oops sorry. My stockpile. I have tons of beans, rice and pasta now,
> bought with the belief that the grocery stores might close. We were
> instructed to lay in a stock of food to get us by for two months. Got to
> eat that now.
>

So are the grocery stores closed? There may be a meat shortage but you
aren't being forcibly detained from going to the store, right?

BTW, I always have enough food to get me through 3 months. I learned
that at a very young age.

> Tonight I used up the ricotta cheese in a pasta dish. The end result had
> the taste of lasagna but it was too rich for me and I could only eat a
> few bites.
>

Well hey, you needed to use it up. Put the rest in the fridge and the
gardener can eat it.

> I also screwed up. Grabbed what I thought was a small can of tomato
> sauce and didn't realize the mistake until I opened it. It was carrots.
> Forgot that I found two little cans of carrots somewhere and bought
> them. So I ate them because the can was opened. For me, canned carrots
> are okay in a soup or casserole. But on their own? Not my favorite thing.

Are you blind? I can understand grabbing a can of diced tomatoes
thinking it's canned tomato sauce. Canned carrots? Kind of hard to
miss those bright orange things and the word CARROTS on the label.

Jill

[jmcquown]

How do you define "fake meat"? Can you prove this?

> My friend dined out at a fancy restaurant the other day. They had a
> limited menu as most places that are open here now do. She ordered the
> meatballs. It wasn't pasta and meatballs. Just meatballs drizzled with
> sauce. Weird. She loved them and asked what kind of meat they were made
> of. It was fake meat. How can they call them meatballs? I've seen
> recipes for "Wheatballs" made of seitan or similar. Hmmm...

I sincerely doubt any of this.

Jill

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Thursday, July 23, 2020 at 10:09:23 PM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:
> This is due to two things. Lack of available meat. I don't want pork or fake
> meats. I do have a pound of ground beef to use up and a raw beef roast in
> the freezer.
>

> I do have some frozen and refrigerated prepared foods. I have frozen and
> canned vegetables. Some other canned food. Plenty of pasta, rice and dried
> beans. So... I shall be living off of those things for the time being.
> Might make a tuna or chicken casserole or a grilled cheese. That will be
> pretty much the extent of my cooking.

How are you going to eat pasta, rice, and beans without cooking? It
seems like you should be doing about the same amount of cooking as ever.

Cindy Hamilton

[jmcquown]

Good point, Cindy. Sounds like she confuses "shopping" with "cooking".
Don't forget, she has often bought food online. Canned wild rice comes
to mind. (ugh) Is she saying she has to hunker down and can't leave the
house to buy more food? Got to use the provisions on hand? What
happens when they're depleted?

If she doesn't want meat, why is a meat shortage a problem? What is
this "fake meat" she keeps talking about? Are things really that bad in
Bothell? Inquiring minds... ;)

Jill

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Saturday, July 25, 2020 at 2:28:50 PM UTC-4, jmcquown wrote:
> On 7/25/2020 1:55 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Thursday, July 23, 2020 at 10:09:23 PM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:
> >> This is due to two things. Lack of available meat. I don't want pork or fake
> >> meats. I do have a pound of ground beef to use up and a raw beef roast in
> >> the freezer.
> >>
> >> I do have some frozen and refrigerated prepared foods. I have frozen and
> >> canned vegetables. Some other canned food. Plenty of pasta, rice and dried
> >> beans. So... I shall be living off of those things for the time being.
> >> Might make a tuna or chicken casserole or a grilled cheese. That will be
> >> pretty much the extent of my cooking.
> >
> > How are you going to eat pasta, rice, and beans without cooking? It
> > seems like you should be doing about the same amount of cooking as ever.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
> >
> Good point, Cindy. Sounds like she confuses "shopping" with "cooking".
> Don't forget, she has often bought food online. Canned wild rice comes
> to mind. (ugh) Is she saying she has to hunker down and can't leave the
> house to buy more food?

If she is, she's full of shit. I just checked her local government's
web site. She can shop for food.

I note her friend dined out in a fancy restaurant. That doesn't sound
like any kind of hunkering down.

> Got to use the provisions on hand? What
> happens when they're depleted?

God knows. Rice, beans, pasta, and canned vegetables ought to last
for a couple of years.

> If she doesn't want meat, why is a meat shortage a problem? What is
> this "fake meat" she keeps talking about? Are things really that bad in
> Bothell? Inquiring minds... ;)

Perhaps people are buying meat and leaving the Impossible Burgers in
the case. If she doesn't get there early, I can see why she might
have trouble finding what she wants.

I've been shopping at about 6 am before I got to work. The only trouble
I have is that I get there before they're finished stocking, so some
things I want just aren't out on the floor yet. Meat is in decent
supply, although I was unsurprised to notice prices are going up.

Sounds like a self-inflicted problem to me.

Cindy Hamilton

[Julie Bove]

"Mike Duffy" <bo...@nosuch.com> wrote in message
news:rfh93q$i5s$1...@dont-email.me...

Thanks!

[Julie Bove]

"jmcquown" <j_mc...@comcast.net> wrote in message

news:QmZSG.106355$zX4....@fx41.iad...

> On 7/25/2020 7:32 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "jmcquown" <j_mc...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:xoFSG.80172$NB.7...@fx20.iad...
>>> On 7/23/2020 10:08 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>> This is due to two things. Lack of available meat. I don't want pork or
>>>> fake meats. I do have a pound of ground beef to use up and a raw beef
>>>> roast in the freezer.
>>>>
>>>> I do have some frozen and refrigerated prepared foods. I have frozen
>>>> and canned vegetables. Some other canned food. Plenty of pasta, rice
>>>> and dried beans. So... I shall be living off of those things for the
>>>> time being. Might make a tuna or chicken casserole or a grilled cheese.
>>>> That will be pretty much the extent of my cooking.
>>>
>>> You said it's due to two things. Lack of available meat is one. What's
>>> the other thing?
>>
>> Oops sorry. My stockpile. I have tons of beans, rice and pasta now,
>> bought with the belief that the grocery stores might close. We were
>> instructed to lay in a stock of food to get us by for two months. Got to
>> eat that now.
>>
> So are the grocery stores closed? There may be a meat shortage but you
> aren't being forcibly detained from going to the store, right?
>
> BTW, I always have enough food to get me through 3 months. I learned that
> at a very young age.

That's not usually necessary here. But... I bought food for both J and I.
And now that he's back to making money, he's buying most of his own food so
I do have quite a lot.

>
>> Tonight I used up the ricotta cheese in a pasta dish. The end result had
>> the taste of lasagna but it was too rich for me and I could only eat a
>> few bites.
>>
> Well hey, you needed to use it up. Put the rest in the fridge and the
> gardener can eat it.

He won't. He's so afraid of the 'rona that he will only eat what he
prepares. I know he would like it though.

>
>> I also screwed up. Grabbed what I thought was a small can of tomato sauce
>> and didn't realize the mistake until I opened it. It was carrots. Forgot
>> that I found two little cans of carrots somewhere and bought them. So I
>> ate them because the can was opened. For me, canned carrots are okay in a
>> soup or casserole. But on their own? Not my favorite thing.
>
> Are you blind? I can understand grabbing a can of diced tomatoes thinking
> it's canned tomato sauce. Canned carrots? Kind of hard to miss those
> bright orange things and the word CARROTS on the label.

I am slowly going blind. Yes. But I will admit that I didn't look at the
can. Only the top. It had a pull tab and I thought that was odd as I'd never
seen tomato sauce with a pull tab. Thing is, I keep my cupboard very well
organized but somehow this can got mixed in with the tomato sauce. Maybe it
fell and J just randomly stuck it back. He told me he was going to teach me
how to be organized. Heh. Yeah, I should have looked but I was having a very
busy day and was trying to get dinner out of the way quickly.

[Hank Rogers]

Cataracts? I have the early beginnings too. Popeye just had his
eyeballs vacuumed out, so maybe you need that too.

Now he can see even tiny tits at a range of 10 km.

And X-ray vision for peering through men's jock straps.

[Julie Bove]

"jmcquown" <j_mc...@comcast.net> wrote in message

news:FpZSG.106356$zX4....@fx41.iad...

I think it's called "Beyond Meat". At least that's one brand. That's the
newest stuff. I do think I've seen the old kind of soy and seitan fake meats
in the produce section, but I can't say for sure. I know there was a vegan
section. Angela insisted on having that crap when she went vegetarian. I
begrugingly bought it for her and she hated it.

This is one brand I bought:

https://fieldroast.com/?utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Nonbrand%20%7C%20General%20%7C%20Exact&utm_term=meat%20substitute&utm_content=General%3A%20Field%20Roast

This is the QFC ad. If you go to the 4th page, bottom right, you can see the
Beyond Burgers and Beyond Meat, full line on sale:

https://www.qfc.com/weeklyad

Seemingly all of the restaurants and stores are pushing this stuff here.
Everyone I know that has tried it has said it was good. I won't try it. And
I'm not sure why the big push for this stuff. I often see it marked down
because it didn't sell. Angela tried a marked down package of the burgers.
She said the first one was good but then after she finished it, she said she
was going to throw out the rest because the texture was too soft.

Yes, there is a ground beef shortage here and both Burger King and McDonalds
(at least some locations) have been out of burger patties at times.

But... Fake meat is nothing new. I remember my dad bringing home a large
milk carton type package of ham flavored TVP when his hours got cut at work.
We had to eat that stuff for two weeks. To this day I have no clue why he
would buy such a thing as there are healthier sources of cheap protein. I
can't stand TVP or anything that contains it. It's so rubbery and chewy

But I have eaten fake burgers in the past. One was Bocca burgers. That was
during the big soy protein push in the mid 89's and early 2000's. I ate
roasted soy beans, Tiger Milk bars and Boca burgers. They do taste very
good. I bought the "All American" kind. Everyone who tried them asked for
another and asked me what kind of nmeat they were. I could get them for next
to nothing at the military commissary. And when I lived on Cape Cod, I
bought some kind of frozen, black bean burgers that I've seen nowhere else.
Good but very expensive.

Once I realized how bad soy is (unless it's fermented), I laid off of the
soy products. But I did buy Sunshine burgers at the health food store. I
liked the Southwestern and Angela liked the BBQ kind. They are black bean
based and again, I could get them there for next to nothing. I mainly went
there when the dance studio was next door. They had a limited selection of
food but there was very little markup so I did as much grocery shopping
there as I could. With the burgers, it was the convenience factor. Others
got pizza or teriyaki to take home. I got the patties. Much cheaper. Just
heat for a minute or two in the microwave, then add some raw veggies or a
salad and there's dinner!

If you look in the frozen food section, there are tons of fake meats that
I've never tried and am not likely to. Quorn and Gardein are popular brands.
I'd rather open a can of beans.

Maybe the appeal of these newer fake meats is that they are made to appear
like raw meat. And they must be cooked before eating. I don't know.

>
>> My friend dined out at a fancy restaurant the other day. They had a
>> limited menu as most places that are open here now do. She ordered the
>> meatballs. It wasn't pasta and meatballs. Just meatballs drizzled with
>> sauce. Weird. She loved them and asked what kind of meat they were made
>> of. It was fake meat. How can they call them meatballs? I've seen recipes
>> for "Wheatballs" made of seitan or similar. Hmmm...
>
> I sincerely doubt any of this.

That's because you live in your own little world. We have had this
discussion before and many people have mentioned the new fake meats.

[Julie Bove]

"jmcquown" <j_mc...@comcast.net> wrote in message

news:yR_SG.239719$PN2....@fx48.iad...

> On 7/25/2020 1:55 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Thursday, July 23, 2020 at 10:09:23 PM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> This is due to two things. Lack of available meat. I don't want pork or
>>> fake
>>> meats. I do have a pound of ground beef to use up and a raw beef roast
>>> in
>>> the freezer.
>>>
>>> I do have some frozen and refrigerated prepared foods. I have frozen and
>>> canned vegetables. Some other canned food. Plenty of pasta, rice and
>>> dried
>>> beans. So... I shall be living off of those things for the time being.
>>> Might make a tuna or chicken casserole or a grilled cheese. That will be
>>> pretty much the extent of my cooking.
>>
>> How are you going to eat pasta, rice, and beans without cooking? It
>> seems like you should be doing about the same amount of cooking as ever.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
> Good point, Cindy. Sounds like she confuses "shopping" with "cooking".
> Don't forget, she has often bought food online. Canned wild rice comes to
> mind. (ugh) Is she saying she has to hunker down and can't leave the house
> to buy more food? Got to use the provisions on hand? What happens when
> they're depleted?

The canned wild rice was fine. I bought that when I had a rice intolerance.
I could add that to chicken brother when I wasn't feeling well and didn't
want to wait for wild rice to cook. If I could buy that in a brick and
mortar store, I would. None here seem to sell it. Actually, wild rice isn't
very popular here at all.

We are still under stay at home orders. We are only supposed to go to the
grocery store once every two weeks. Most people do violate that because some
perishables just don't keep that long.

I am doing as much of my shopping online as I can so I don't have to leave
the house. I am finding the best prices to be at Walmart, Target (sometimes
through Google shopping), Boxed and now Dollar General. Dollar General
stopped selling online for a time. Sometimes I use Amazon. I love the
Crafterd Gourmet Almonds. Pin Himalayan Salt by Blue Diamond. Most places
sell them for $5.99 or moe for a 5 oz. package. No way! I have to keep
switching where I buy the. First it was Walgreens, then Amazon Fresh, now
Rite Aid. I do buy a lot because all have a minimum order requirement.

I have time to search for the best prices online because I'm supposed to
stay home. At least it gives me something to do. I would help J with the
gardening but he won'ty let. And since I am stuck at home with no end in
sight, I don't feel the desire to write.

>
> If she doesn't want meat, why is a meat shortage a problem? What is this
> "fake meat" she keeps talking about? Are things really that bad in
> Bothell? Inquiring minds... ;)

I do need to eat meat about twice a week due to anemia. But I also have
gastroparesis so that limits the types of meat I can eat to pretty much
ground beef, chicken or turkey. No, I don't eat ground chicken or turkey.
Ick. I don't really like meat. I just need to eat some for medical reasons.
If my stomach isn't acting up, I can eat a small amount of pot roast or
bacon. But I had a popcorn incident the other day so I'm being vey careful
with everything now.

[Hank Rogers]

What's a popcorn incident? Sounds serious.

I don't eat it much, so probably why I never had any incidents.
Does it only happen with real popcorn, or can incidents occur with
the microwave packs?

[Julie Bove]

"Hank Rogers" <Nos...@invalid.com> wrote in message

news:rfinq6$edi$1...@gioia.aioe.org...

I have those and also diabetic retinopathy.

>
> Now he can see even tiny tits at a range of 10 km.
>
> And X-ray vision for peering through men's jock straps.

Lovely.

[Julie Bove]

"Hank Rogers" <Nos...@invalid.com> wrote in message

news:rfit76$1rqc$1...@gioia.aioe.org...

It was real popcorn, popped in a pan. I spent the rest of the night throwing
it back up again. I have to watch things with fiber, fat and tough to digest
meats, like steak.

Gastroparesis is paralysis of the vagus nerve. Mine is not a constant thing.
Some people have it so badly. they can't eat at all. They have to be on a
feeding tube.

My worst time was when I was on the raw, vegan diet. The gastroparesis had
not yet been diagnosed. The Dr. told me I could continue on it so long as
the gastroparesis wasn't acting up. But... It was. So...

The bitch of the thing is that I can feel fine one minute and then I'll just
get an odd feeling in my stomach. It's not a pain. I don't get the feeling
that I'll throw up. It just doesn't feel normal. And from there, it's all
downhill.

The main causes of gastroparesis are diabetes and celiac, but I know of two
people who have it for other reasons. One is a minor on a feeding tube. The
other is a young adult and she often has to be admitted to the hospital for
a feeding tube and IV.

[Ophelia]

"Julie Bove" wrote in message news:rfimb4$o2j$1...@dont-email.me...

I am slowly going blind. Yes. But I will admit that I didn't look at the
can. Only the top. It had a pull tab and I thought that was odd as I'd never
seen tomato sauce with a pull tab. Thing is, I keep my cupboard very well
organized but somehow this can got mixed in with the tomato sauce. Maybe it
fell and J just randomly stuck it back. He told me he was going to teach me
how to be organized. Heh. Yeah, I should have looked but I was having a very
busy day and was trying to get dinner out of the way quickly.

====

I am very sorry to hear you are going blind. May I ask if it is
cataracts?

I had mine done a few years ago and my eyes are fine now.

Good luck that you get them done soon.

If it is not cataracts, then I am sorry and whatever is causing it is
resolved soon.

[Cindy Hamilton]

That two-week restriction is simply not true. You are in phase 2
of reopening.

You need to stop listening to your right-wing talk radio host and
start reading the information from your local government.

Cindy Hamilton

[Julie Bove]

"Ophelia" <oph...@elsinore.me.uk> wrote in message
news:ho53ud...@mid.individual.net...

I do have cataracts but also diabetic neuropathy.

[Ophelia]

"Julie Bove" wrote in message news:rfl6j2$r4d$1...@dont-email.me...

====
I don't know anything about the diabetic neuropathy, so I can't comment.

You could have your cataracts sorted out and then see who much that works?

I just hope that works!! Good luck.

[Julie Bove]

"Ophelia" <oph...@elsinore.me.uk> wrote in message

news:ho8503...@mid.individual.net...

Nope. Surgery is too expensive and won't help with the reason for the vision
loss.

[Ophelia]

"Julie Bove" wrote in message news:rfnrov$4hj$1...@dont-email.me...

===

Oh dear! I tend to forget you don't have the same health service we do:(

I have had private meds when I was working but when I had my cataracts
done it was free:((((((





loss.

[Julie Bove]

"Ophelia" <oph...@elsinore.me.uk> wrote in message

news:hob78f...@mid.individual.net...

Pretty much nothing is free here.

[jmcquown]

Yet suddenly when the gardner wanted you to eat brown rice and beans you
were prefectly willing to cook nothing but.

I could add that to chicken brother when I wasn't feeling
> well and didn't want to wait for wild rice to cook. If I could buy that
> in a brick and mortar store, I would. None here seem to sell it.
> Actually, wild rice isn't very popular here at all.
>

I didn't ask if wild rice was popular. I cannot imagine canned wild
rice being palatable at all. Sounds like it would be over-cooked mushy
stuff. I merely mentioned you have never seemed to have problems buying
food online even before this pandemic.

> We are still under stay at home orders. We are only supposed to go to
> the grocery store once every two weeks. Most people do violate that
> because some perishables just don't keep that long.
>

That's simply not true. The stay at home orders do not prevent you from
going to the store.

> I am doing as much of my shopping online as I can so I don't have to
> leave the house. I am finding the best prices to be at Walmart, Target
> (sometimes through Google shopping), Boxed and now Dollar General.
> Dollar General stopped selling online for a time. Sometimes I use
> Amazon. I love the Crafterd Gourmet Almonds. Pin Himalayan Salt by Blue
> Diamond. Most places sell them for $5.99 or moe for a 5 oz. package. No
> way! I have to keep switching where I buy the. First it was Walgreens,
> then Amazon Fresh, now Rite Aid. I do buy a lot because all have a
> minimum order requirement.
>
> I have time to search for the best prices online because I'm supposed to
> stay home. At least it gives me something to do. I would help J with the
> gardening but he won'ty let. And since I am stuck at home with no end in
> sight, I don't feel the desire to write.
>>
>> If she doesn't want meat, why is a meat shortage a problem?  What is
>> this "fake meat" she keeps talking about? Are things really that bad
>> in Bothell? Inquiring minds... ;)
>
> I do need to eat meat about twice a week due to anemia.
> But I also have
> gastroparesis so that limits the types of meat I can eat to pretty much
> ground beef, chicken or turkey. No, I don't eat ground chicken or
> turkey. Ick.

I don't like ground chicken or ground turkey, either. Then again, I've
never had a doctor insist I eat ground meat of any kind.

> I don't really like meat. I just need to eat some for
> medical reasons. If my stomach isn't acting up, I can eat a small amount
> of pot roast or bacon. But I had a popcorn incident the other day so I'm
> being vey careful with everything now.

Popcorn isn't healthful. Then again, you've *always* had shopping
problems. The vegetables from the co-op weren't what you wanted. Limp
celery. No such Swiss cheese in Bothell!

I recall numerous posts where you you were given suggestions and when
provided you said "Ewww! I don't like that" and/or "no one else will eat
it". Your ex-husband made a point of eating before he came home from
work because he didn't want to eat what you had cooked. Surely you
remember you said you used to buy meat and cook it all at once when you
got it home. Can you blame anyone for not wanting to eat a reheated
pre-cooked steak? UGH! Oh, and there were the frozen 'Hot Pockets' you
thought the gardener and Angela might like. Oh dear.

Never mind. I've got my own problems to deal with. Good luck with
shopping again. Hope you can find some actual meat. There is no
regulation in Bothell that says you can only buy food every two weeks.

Jill

[Bruce]

On Tue, 28 Jul 2020 20:27:33 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

>On 7/25/2020 10:19 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> The canned wild rice was fine. I bought that when I had a rice
>> intolerance.
>
>Yet suddenly when the gardner wanted you to eat brown rice and beans you
>were prefectly willing to cook nothing but.

The level of busybody interference in RFC is unprecedented!

(...)

>Never mind. I've got my own problems to deal with.

That sounds a lot better. Good luck with your problems and remember
you can always ask RFC to solve them for you.

[Hank Rogers]

Bruce wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Jul 2020 20:27:33 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>> On 7/25/2020 10:19 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>> The canned wild rice was fine. I bought that when I had a rice
>>> intolerance.
>>
>> Yet suddenly when the gardner wanted you to eat brown rice and beans you
>> were prefectly willing to cook nothing but.
>
> The level of busybody interference in RFC is unprecedented!
>
> (...)
>

Are all ass sniffers also busybodies? It would seem a natural result.

[Julie Bove]

"jmcquown" <j_mc...@comcast.net> wrote in message

news:Yn3UG.75070$fa5....@fx30.iad...

<snip>

> Popcorn isn't healthful. Then again, you've *always* had shopping
> problems. The vegetables from the co-op weren't what you wanted. Limp
> celery. No such Swiss cheese in Bothell!

Popcorn is very healthy. Co-op? What co-op? I've never been in a co-op. What
I did discover is that Safeway and Albertsons don't sell Swiss. Neither does
the QFC near me. Every QFC is different. Some sell things that others
don't. I can get Swiss at Walmart, Winco and Fred Meyer.

>
> I recall numerous posts where you you were given suggestions and when
> provided you said "Ewww! I don't like that" and/or "no one else will eat
> it". Your ex-husband made a point of eating before he came home from work
> because he didn't want to eat what you had cooked. Surely you remember
> you said you used to buy meat and cook it all at once when you got it
> home. Can you blame anyone for not wanting to eat a reheated pre-cooked
> steak? UGH! Oh, and there were the frozen 'Hot Pockets' you thought the
> gardener and Angela might like. Oh dear.

That is not true about my ex. I complained once when I made some sort of
special dinner for him and he stopped for Pho on the way home. One time.
One! But on RFC it somehow morphed into something else. That doesn't matter
any more. We've been divorced for over two years now and he can make or get
his own food.

As for the cooked meat, I made the mistake once. Yes, again, ONCE of buying
some bad meat. My SIL who does not cook, bought tons of this meat, thinking
it was some special that only she could get (it wasn't) and giving it to
people. Thing was, in order to get the meat, you had to buy a ton of it.
Yes, I cooked it all. Yes, I put it in the freezer. And when I discovered it
was bad, I threw it all out.

When Angela was living here, she ate plain, cooked chicken breasts. I did
buy those, cook them and freeze them. She could go to the freezer and get
one. That worked for her. There were no complaints.

I eat ground beef. I do cook that in advance. Sometimes plain. Sometimes
taco seasoned. All portioned out into single servings. I generally only do
this when I buy a large package. I haven't bought a large package for some
time as I've been findng the 1 pound packages.

The hot pockets were a marked down item and I didn't pay much for them. You
don't live with others and you don'[t buy food for others. I would never
expect others to eat what I eat every day since my diet is limited.

>
> Never mind. I've got my own problems to deal with. Good luck with
> shopping again. Hope you can find some actual meat. There is no
> regulation in Bothell that says you can only buy food every two weeks.

Like I said... I won't be shopping for some time. I think I have everything
I need for the time being. Might buy some cottage cheese as that doesn't
keep for long, and probably some more beverages. Just looked at then closet
in my room as I stashed some food in there. Will probably use the last of
the ground beef with boxed mac and cheese.

And now? I'm going to go outside for some cooler air and read the book about
Dave Grohl. Dinner will be mashed potatoes, green beans, corn, and a piece
of cheese.

[S Viemeister]

On 28/07/2020 18:57, Ophelia wrote:
>

>  Oh dear!  I tend to forget you don't have the same health service we do:(
>
>  I have had private meds when I was working but when I had my cataracts
> done it was free:((((((
>

Well - free at the point of service. You paid into the system with every
paycheck!

[Bruce]

Doesn't it work like that in every civilised country?

[Julie Bove]

"Bruce" <br...@null.null> wrote in message
news:ucb2iflm6m9p3sr39...@4ax.com...

How does it work in the uncivilized ones?

[Bruce]

There you have to pay for everything and if you can't, that's tough
luck.

[Ophelia]

"Julie Bove" wrote in message news:rfqc47$9re$1...@dont-email.me...

I am very sorry to hear that:(

[Ophelia]

"S Viemeister" wrote in message news:hocnp0...@mid.individual.net...

On 28/07/2020 18:57, Ophelia wrote:
>

>  Oh dear! I tend to forget you don't have the same health service we
> do:(
>
> Â I have had private meds when I was working but when I had my cataracts

> done it was free:((((((
>
Well - free at the point of service. You paid into the system with every
paycheck!

===

Yes!!! But in something like Julie's problem, there wouldn't be a
problem!

[Ophelia]

"Bruce" wrote in message news:ucb2iflm6m9p3sr39...@4ax.com...

On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 08:45:36 +0100, S Viemeister
<firs...@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:

>On 28/07/2020 18:57, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>

>>  Oh dear! I tend to forget you don't have the same health service we
>> do:(
>>
>> Â I have had private meds when I was working but when I had my cataracts

>> done it was free:((((((
>>
>Well - free at the point of service. You paid into the system with every
>paycheck!

Doesn't it work like that in every civilised country?

==

Does it work like that is Aus and Holland?

[Bruce]

On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 10:08:58 +0100, "Ophelia" <oph...@elsinore.me.uk>
wrote:

Yes.

[S Viemeister]

It should.

[Cindy Hamilton]

It does. America is not civilized, as you well know.

Cindy Hamilton

[Bruce]

I'll never understand your system. Everybody explains it differently,
depending on their political agenda, and everybody's unhappy with it,
except the very rich.

[Julie Bove]

"Bruce" <br...@null.null> wrote in message

news:tik2ifhgniio3ola0...@4ax.com...

True.

[Gary]

In the USA, even poor people with no insurance or money can go
into a hospital emergency room. No one is refused and they
even expect that they might not get paid.

However, that's for the initial problem. If you require future
surgeries for better repairs, then you're out of luck.

An EMT told me once that if I ever have to go to an
emergency room, call a (free here) ambulance and let them take
you there. The ambulance people get right in for care. If
you drive yourself there, you might sit and wait for hours
unless it's a life threatening emergency.

[Sheldon Martin]

On Tue, 28 Jul 2020 20:27:33 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

Progresso has a wild rice soup that's excellent.

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Wednesday, July 29, 2020 at 6:42:47 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 03:36:20 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> <angelica...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >On Wednesday, July 29, 2020 at 6:17:22 AM UTC-4, S Viemeister wrote:
> >> On 29/07/2020 09:05, Bruce wrote:
> >> > On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 08:45:36 +0100, S Viemeister
> >> > <firs...@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On 28/07/2020 18:57, Ophelia wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >>>  Oh dear!  I tend to forget you don't have the same health service we do:(
> >> >>>
> >> >>>  I have had private meds when I was working but when I had my cataracts
> >> >>> done it was free:((((((
> >> >>>
> >> >> Well - free at the point of service. You paid into the system with every
> >> >> paycheck!
> >> >
> >> > Doesn't it work like that in every civilised country?
> >> >
> >> It should.
> >
> >It does. America is not civilized, as you well know.
>
> I'll never understand your system.

It's quite simple:

If you're rich, you can buy whatever insurance you want or pay for your
own medical care.

If you have a good job, your employer pays for most of your medical
insurance.

If you have a crappy job, you can buy insurance on the ACA exchanges or
do without.

If you have no job (or a REALLY crappy job), you qualify for Medicaid,
a type of government health insurance.

If you are over 65, you qualify for Medicare, a type of government health
insurance.

> Everybody explains it differently,
> depending on their political agenda, and everybody's unhappy with it,
> except the very rich.

A lot of people are happy with it. A lot of people who might benefit
from national health insurance and even more who might not, hate the
idea of paying for part of someone else's health insurance.

Cindy Hamilton

[jmcquown]

I've found the quality of Progresso soups has gone waaay down. Moot
point since Julie didn't buy wild rice *soup*.

Jill

[Sheldon Martin]

On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 09:33:54 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>

Depends which soup.
The low calorie ones are terrible, watery and tasteless.
The rich and hearty ones are excellent.
I only buy some when they are on sale, the regular price I think is
too high... $3 for a can of soup is outrageous. At the beginning of
fall they drop below half price. They're very convenient for when I
don't feel like cooking a large pot of soup and feel like something
different from what I have in the freezer. Their chunky tomato is
very good turned into eggdrop... very thick with a rich tomato flavor,
could possibly be used as a pasta sauce. I add a half cup of water
(that I use to rinse out the remains in the can) and thicken with
cornstarch, and while boiling stir in two beaten eggs, good with
crispy chow mein noodles. I add fresh ground white pepper and a
splash of soy sauce. There are several Progresso soups that I like,
their Italian wedding soup is very good too, I add a pinch of Italian
herb blend and a shake of parm. I typically add to canned soups.

[Ophelia]

"Gary" wrote in message news:5F2160CD...@att.net...

====

I didn't know that and I am very pleased to hear it!!

[Ophelia]

"Bruce" wrote in message news:8gf2if90f8hch6oel...@4ax.com...

On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 10:08:58 +0100, "Ophelia" <oph...@elsinore.me.uk>
wrote:

>
>
>"Bruce" wrote in message
>news:ucb2iflm6m9p3sr39...@4ax.com...
>
>On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 08:45:36 +0100, S Viemeister
><firs...@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:
>
>>On 28/07/2020 18:57, Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>

>>>  Oh dear! I tend to forget you don't have the same health service
>>> we
>>> do:(
>>>
>>> Â I have had private meds when I was working but when I had my

>>> cataracts
>>> done it was free:((((((
>>>
>>Well - free at the point of service. You paid into the system with every
>>paycheck!
>
>Doesn't it work like that in every civilised country?
>
>==
>
> Does it work like that is Aus and Holland?

Yes.

===

:) I am very pleased to hear that:))

[Cindy Hamilton]

And then everybody else who uses that hospital pays for the ER
visit. And everybody else who uses that ambulance company
pays for the ambulance ride.

Some of those ER visits are for problems a general practitioner
could deal with, and some of them are for problems that result from
an untreated chronic condition (like diabetes) turning into an
acute emergency.

Cindy Hamilton

[GM]

Or in the case of Chicago, inner - city gunshot victims...this is why so many inner - city ER's have closed, it is a huge cost:

https://heyjackass.com/

'Chicago 2020 Year to Date

Shot & Killed: 404
Shot & Wounded: 1875
Total Shot: 2279
Total Homicides: 442...'

--
Best
Greg

[dsi1]

A lot of poor folk use the ER as their primary medical care. I get to have checkup for monitoring my diabetes and schedule dental work and purchase meds. For poor folks, that's an unthinkable luxury. That sucks.

[jmcquown]

All low calorie canned soups are terrible. So are canned low sodium
soups. The last time I bought "rich & hearty" Progresso soup it was
clam chowder and it turned out to be thin, watery and pretty much
tasteless. And yes, I've tried their rich and hearty canned wild rice
soup with chicken and it was a huge disappointment. I can make wild
rice soup with chicken stock and oh boy, cooked wild rice with cream
that tastes so much better.

> very good turned into eggdrop... very thick with a rich tomato flavor,

Sorry, but I do not want tomatoey egg drop soup. Not saying you can't
drop an egg in Progresso chunky tomato soup and enjoy it but it's not at
all traditional.

Jill

[bruce2...@gmail.com]

But car accidents are worse in Chicago !!

"Every day in Illinois
..835 fatal car crashes resulting in the deaths of 918 people. That's more than two people killed every day of the year in vehicle accidents. 84,172 people injured in Illinois car crashes.

Salvi Law › facts-figures
Car Crash Statistics & Accident Facts in Illinois - Salvi, Schostok & Pritchard PC

918 people dead in car crashes is a worse problem than 404 dead from gang fightings.

[Sheldon Martin]

On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 Ophelia wrote:
>"Gary" wrote:
>Bruce wrote:

>> On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 Julie Bove" wrote:
>> >"Bruce" wrote:

>> >> On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 S Viemeister wrote:

>> >>>On 28/07/2020 Ophelia wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Oh dear! I tend to forget you don't have the same health service we
>> >>>> do:(
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I have had private meds when I was working but when I had my
>> >>>> cataracts done it was free:((((((
>> >>>>
>> >>>Well - free at the point of service. You paid into the system with
>> >>>every paycheck!
>> >>
>> >> Doesn't it work like that in every civilised country?
>> >
>> >How does it work in the uncivilized ones?
>>
>> There you have to pay for everything and if you can't, that's tough
>> luck.
>
>In the USA, even poor people with no insurance or money can go
>into a hospital emergency room. No one is refused and they
>even expect that they might not get paid.
>
>However, that's for the initial problem. If you require future
>surgeries for better repairs, then you're out of luck.
>
>An EMT told me once that if I ever have to go to an
>emergency room, call a (free here) ambulance and let them take
>you there. The ambulance people get right in for care. If
>you drive yourself there, you might sit and wait for hours
>unless it's a life threatening emergency.
>

> I didn't know that and I am very pleased to hear it!!

In the US an ambulance may not be covered, if an emergency from say an
auto wreck and the police call the ambulance will bring you to the
hospital and they will work out payment later. If one has medical
insurance most cover for ambulance. Without medical coverage one is
at the mercy of the system, you'll get ER care but not one's choice of
doctor and not immediate care either, you'll wait your turn... you can
be laying on a gurney in a hallway for several hours.... they treat
those with insurance first. I wouldn't want to need medical care
without having medical insurance.
When I recently needed cateract surgery since that's an elective I was
able to have the best eye surgeon in the county and was treated
rightaway, and my aftercare was superb. I'd not want to need cataract
surgery and have no insurance. I have a good insurance plan but I
still had to pay $2,400 for the special astigmatism lenses and to have
them inserted. With the special lenses inserted I no longer need to
wear glasses. I only need to very occasionally use readers, cheapies
from the 99¢ store. At first I bought readers from Walgreens for $30,
they fell apart the first time I used them, brought them back and got
a credit on my Visa. The 99¢ cheapies work great, in fact I bought
two pair, one for my computer desk, one for the bedroom to read the TV
guide thingie from Dish. Since the cateract surgery I don't ever
remember having such good vision, anyone with cataracts shouldn't
wait, have it done rightaway, I should have had it done five years
ago... since my surgery I can see lady parts through their clothes...
not that I ever needed to see their bra label to know their size. ;)

[graham]

On 2020-07-29 6:56 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:

>
> A lot of people are happy with it. A lot of people who might benefit
> from national health insurance and even more who might not, hate the
> idea of paying for part of someone else's health insurance.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>

But they are not! They are paying into a pool just like when they pay
car and house insurance.

[Ed Pawlowski]

Car crash victims are more likely covered by insurance.

Maybe you can get the shooters to run over their victims instead of
shooting them.

[Ed Pawlowski]

Stop it! Do no inject common sense into healthcare discussions

[Bruce]

On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 16:09:52 +0100, "Ophelia" <oph...@elsinore.me.uk>
wrote:

I remember a documentary on Dutch TV about the US, many years ago. A
man had an accident and cut off 4 fingers. He went to the hospital,
with his fingers. They asked him about his financial situation. Then
the doctor said: You can afford to have 2 fingers put back on. Which
ones would you prefer?

lol, really

[Bruce]

So? What are you saying?

[Bruce]

Yes, in the end, selfishness is the problem. Americans are too selfish
to think in terms of a common good. Because there's always the chance
that the neighbour benefits more from it than you. Oh, the horror!

[Cindy Hamilton]

I'm saying it's a false economy to not have national health insurance
for everybody.

And that the ER treating everybody is not as joyous as one might think.
They do try to go after the money. Even if they only recover $3000 on
a $30,000 bill, it's often enough to break the person who has collection
agents hounding them because they had to go to the ER.

Cindy Hamilton

[Bruce]

Terrible. I feel that it's logical that poor people can't drive an
expensive car, can't have a big house, can't go on a holiday to the
Bahamas, but healthcare? In rich countries like ours?

[graham]

S-S-S-S-S-S-S-Sorry:-(

[Julie Bove]

"Ed Pawlowski" <e...@snet.xxx> wrote in message
news:MhjUG.33065$5l1....@fx10.iad...

We do that here!

[Julie Bove]

"Sheldon Martin" <penm...@aol.com> wrote in message
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I don't like anything Progresso makes. Has a weird taste.
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[Julie Bove]

"jmcquown" <j_mc...@comcast.net> wrote in message

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There used to be a brand of wild rice soup called Shelton's. It was good but
not cheap, perhaps because they made the claims of Kosher and Gluten free.
We can't get it here any more.

[Ed Pawlowski]

Yeah, cute story but I bet you will never find the source.

[Ed Pawlowski]

Reality is, we are already subsidizing the "free" treatments people are
getting with the high insurance rates the rest of us pay. Obamacare was
an attempt but was never properly structured thanks to the insurance
lobby. Helped a few, hurt just as many.

[Bruce]

Next time you see a guy with 2 fingers missing, you may have found the
source!

[Bruce]

Americans should stop trying to solve this. They can't. Pick your
favourite European country and copy their system. It won't be perfect,
but it will be a whole lot better.

[Julie Bove]

"Bruce" <br...@null.null> wrote in message

news:9jj3ifdh712rnouhd...@4ax.com...

The ER should be used for emergencies only. When I first started working, my
insurance was such that ER trips were free. Dr. visits were not. Everyone
went to the ER for everything so people with real emergencies couldn't
always get the care they needed.

[Ed Pawlowski]

Many hospitals opened Urgent Care facilities to relieve the ER for true
emergencies. They would be very busy on weekends with the lesser problems.

[Ed Pawlowski]

Too many Congressmen are owned by the insurance industry. Couple of
days ago Trump had a meeting with a few heads of Big Pharma to discuss
drug prices. No one showed up.

[Bruce]

That's sad. Not that Trump would have done anything useful, but still.

[Ophelia]

"Bruce" wrote in message news:aej3if1qojsj5ulqg...@4ax.com...

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:(((((((((((

[Julie Bove]

"Ed Pawlowski" <e...@snet.xxx> wrote in message

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We have lots of Urgent Care places here that are not attached to any
hospitals but most don't take my insurance. There is a Swedish ER near here.
It does not have a hospital there but is attached to the Swedish and
Providence hospitals. They will transport from there to the hospital via
ambulance if you need to go. Not sure if they charge for the ambulance or
not. My insurance is such that I would normally have to pay for the
ambulance.

[Gary]

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> And then everybody else who uses that hospital pays for the ER
> visit.

Same as every store charges higher prices to cover shoplifting
loss and credit/debit card fees.

> And everybody else who uses that ambulance company
> pays for the ambulance ride.

Virginia Beach has an all-volunteer fire and rescue dept.
Never a charge ever for people that need the help and
no salaries for the people that do the work.

The city does give them some basic support but they mainly
depend on donations. They beg for money (fund drives) almost
as often as PBS does.

I donate to them each year but never to PBS. PBS could
easily support themselves if they tried.

[Gary]

Julie Bove wrote:

> We have lots of Urgent Care places here that are not attached to any
> hospitals but most don't take my insurance.

What kind of health insurance do you have that an
Urgent Care facility would not accept?

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Thursday, July 30, 2020 at 6:45:11 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >
> > And then everybody else who uses that hospital pays for the ER
> > visit.
>
> Same as every store charges higher prices to cover shoplifting
> loss and credit/debit card fees.
>
> > And everybody else who uses that ambulance company
> > pays for the ambulance ride.
>
> Virginia Beach has an all-volunteer fire and rescue dept.
> Never a charge ever for people that need the help and
> no salaries for the people that do the work.

That's absurd. My township of 39,000 people has a professional,
tax-supported fire department. Virginia Beach is more than 10 times
as populous.

Cindy Hamilton

[John Kuthe]

Perfect examples of Democratic SOCIALISM! WE voted for that because it serves ALL the peoples' interests! What Bernie Sanders ran on in 2016, but was Shillaried out of the 2016 election!

John Kuthe, Climate Anarchist, Suburban Renewalist and Vegetarian

[Ed Pawlowski]

Our town of 10,000 had a mix. During the day it was difficult to get
enough volunteers during the day when people worked so they had a paid
crew. Other times it was volunteer staffed.

They would bill for ambulance if you had insurance as it helped with the
funding. Fire department is 100% volunteer.

In most towns today, the volunteers are as well trained, professional,
and competent as the paid crews.