Hey Gary and Dave

[Bryan Simmons]

Now you can never say that you've
never seen an imaginary bass guitar.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/15522299@N08/albums/72177720295632347

"Tell us how you veneered the neck of your guitar."
--Gary

"Calling BS on that one too. There is no veneer on a neck."
--Dave Smith

--Bryan

[dsi1]

The fretless bass is awesome. Most people play them like a regular bass. Del Palmer doesn't.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fq78Iv9CvPE

[Bryan Simmons]

I had posted this:
"I popped all of the frets out of the neck of a super cheap bass,
and cherry wood veneered it. It still has the crappy pickups, but
I strung it with Fender tapewounds, B-E-A-D. The attack is muted,
but the tone is pure. A real bass player could have fun with it. I'm
just a half assed rhythm guitarist."

Gary and Dave both acted like I was lying. I think the post was
fairly self deprecating, but they seemed to think I was bragging.
So, I posted pix, and no surprise, crickets.

--Bryan

[dsi1]

Back in the old days - 15 years or so, people believed whatever other people would post. These days, nobody believes anybody. That's the breaks.

[Bryan Simmons]

But who would make up something like that? There had to be a
good chance that I still had the bass, and could post pix. I like
tapewounds on the fretless, flats on the fretted bass, and I even
used these
https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/ECG26--daddario-ecg26-chromes-flatwound-medium-electric-strings-013-056
on my Blueshawk.

--Bryan

[Bruce]

On Sat, 1 Jan 2022 15:42:36 -0800 (PST), Bryan Simmons

Dit is mijn kikker. Ghe Ghe Ghe.

[Hank Rogers]

I wouldn't worry about it man. The worst that could happen is dave
dumps a bunch of mcDonalds food wrappers on yer lawn.

Gary never leaves the beach, so you're good there.

[Bruce]

On Sat, 1 Jan 2022 19:04:45 -0600, Hank Rogers <Ha...@nospam.invalid>
wrote:

[Michael Trew]

That's the standard story here. They'll all call you a liar, and you
put out proof, and then no response, as if they can no longer read or
type. I don't get why people are afraid to respond. I showed Gary
proof of a couple of houses that I've owned, after he called me a liar
and said that I haven't owned multiple houses. Still awaiting his
acknowledgment... it's kind of like waiting for John to say "Thanks" for
helping him... it'll never happen.

[GM]

I guess Gary's never called me a "liar", lol, so I never much noticed...

But John is ABSOLUTELY incapable of giving thanks or even a smidgen of appreciation
for anything he's ever received, and that includes even his nice inheritance... thus he has no
friends and a family that abhors him...

John is simply a greedy self - centered asshole... when things get *really* tough for him he'll
have no one to call on, they'll laugh at him (as Bryan did when John was beseeching him for the
"roach cure", lol...)

"Gratitude should be your attitude", is my MO...

The hotel I'm currently staying at remembers me from a previous visit a few months ago, I had given
the front desk staff some nice candy and and a thank - you note. When I checked in they remembered
me, were really glad to see me. I had booked a standard room, but got a very nice upgrade, plus a
complimentary breakfast, and extra points (per the manager) I did not have to ask, they offered it...

Years ago I worked in hotels, and I'd
practically move heaven and earth for someone if they showed even the least amount of gratitude, for
someone in a service position that means a lot. I had also written a nice Trip Advisor review, mentioning
staff by name, they liked that, too. When i depart they'll be getting a nice sweets gift bag, so will the women
that work in housekeeping, they work hard for not a lot of money... the gal that cleans my room will get a nice
big cash tip...

"Nice people get nice things" is a good thing to keep in mind...

--
GM

[Michael Trew]

On 1/1/2022 22:32, GM wrote:
>
> "Gratitude should be your attitude", is my MO...
>
> The hotel I'm currently staying at remembers me from a previous visit a few months ago, I had given
> the front desk staff some nice candy and and a thank - you note. When I checked in they remembered
> me, were really glad to see me. I had booked a standard room, but got a very nice upgrade, plus a
> complimentary breakfast, and extra points (per the manager) I did not have to ask, they offered it...
>
> Years ago I worked in hotels, and I'd
> practically move heaven and earth for someone if they showed even the least amount of gratitude, for
> someone in a service position that means a lot. I had also written a nice Trip Advisor review, mentioning
> staff by name, they liked that, too. When i depart they'll be getting a nice sweets gift bag, so will the women
> that work in housekeeping, they work hard for not a lot of money... the gal that cleans my room will get a nice
> big cash tip...
>
> "Nice people get nice things" is a good thing to keep in mind...

I fully agree. I'm a tightwad, but on the occasions that I dine out, I
tip the waitress well over 20 per cent, even at a Chinese buffet. I
surely don't envy their job. I've learned to appreciate retail people
first hand, and certainly call center people. Some folks don't seem to
process it... "just be nice".

[Dave Smith]

On 2022-01-01 10:07 p.m., Michael Trew wrote:
> On 1/1/2022 17:02, Bryan Simmons wrote:
>> On Saturday, January 1, 2022 at 1:14:24 PM UTC-6, dsi1 wrote:

>> Gary and Dave both acted like I was lying.  I think the post was
>> fairly self deprecating, but they seemed to think I was bragging.
>> So, I posted pix, and no surprise, crickets.
>>
>> --Bryan
>
> That's the standard story here.  They'll all call you a liar, and you
> put out proof, and then no response, as if they can no longer read or
> type.  I don't get why people are afraid to respond.  I

The reason we called bullshit on that is that there is no veneer on a
guitar fretboard. I believe Gary said that he doesn't know what veneer
is and I agree with that. The fretboard is a is a thin strip of
hardwood, way thicker than veneer. Veneer would never stand up on a
fretboard.

[Bryan Simmons]

The folks at the woodworking store called it veneer.
"The standard thickness is 0.6 mm."
--source
https://www.decospan.com/en/wood-solutions/wood-veneer/

You fucking idiot old man, I wrote that *I* put the veneer on,
and I did. 0.6mm sounds about right. I wonder which is more
likely to happen in this new year. Does Gary Majors get laid,
or does Dave Smith die of heart failure? I think the smart
money would be on the dead Dave.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/15522299@N08/albums/72177720295632347

--Bryan

[Mike Duffy]

On Sun, 02 Jan 2022 02:14:44 -0800, Bryan Simmons wrote:

> I wonder which is more likely to happen in this new year.

> [...] does Dave Smith die of heart failure?

Oh, and 'Happy New Year' to you too Bryan. BTW, I forget why you want
Dave to die. For John, you have given a more than sufficient littany of
indiscretions he did to you over several decades; enough said about that.

But what exactly did Dave do to merit inclusion on your 'Least Wanted'
list?

[Bryan Simmons]

He's consistently an asshole to me. He called me a liar about the
bass guitar. Besides, he killfiled me, and it's fun to write vile things
about anyone who claims to have you killfiled.

--Bryan

[Mike Duffy]

On Sun, 02 Jan 2022 09:41:54 -0800, Bryan Simmons wrote:

> [...] he killfiled me, and it's fun to write vile

> things about anyone who claims to have you killfiled.

You do know, that puts you in somewhere in Bruceville.

[Bruce]

Hey, you want me dead because I don't eat meat. We shouldn't expect to
much logic from a deranged mind.

[Bruce]

On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 18:18:58 -0000 (UTC), Mike Duffy <mxd...@bell.net>
wrote:

Well, the advantage of insulting someone who has killfiled you, is
that there's no payback. You just move on to the next person who
deserves it.

[Bruce]

On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 18:18:58 -0000 (UTC), Mike Duffy <mxd...@bell.net>
wrote:

Uhm, Ghe Ghe Ghe. This is my frogger. Yes. Ghe Ghe Ghe :)))))))))))

[Bruce]

On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 05:28:09 +1100, Bruce <Br...@notreal.invalid>
wrote:

This is my frogger.

[Bryan Simmons]

Bruce. I have nothing against vegetarians. I'd prefer you lost interest
in the NG to dying, but dead would be OK too.

--Bryan

[Bruce]

On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 05:19:22 +1100, Bruce <Br...@notreal.invalid>
wrote:

This is my frogger.

[Bruce]

On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 10:36:09 -0800 (PST), Bryan Simmons

This is not my frogger.

[Bruce]

On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 10:36:09 -0800 (PST), Bryan Simmons

.
Thanks for proving my point.

[Bruce]

On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 06:03:30 +1100, Bruce <Br...@notreal.invalid>

wrote:

>On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 10:36:09 -0800 (PST), Bryan Simmons
><bryang...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 12:19:28 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 09:41:54 -0800 (PST), Bryan Simmons
>>> <bryang...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 8:57:28 AM UTC-6, Mike Duffy wrote:
>>> >> On Sun, 02 Jan 2022 02:14:44 -0800, Bryan Simmons wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> > I wonder which is more likely to happen in this new year.
>>> >> > [...] does Dave Smith die of heart failure?
>>> >>
>>> >> Oh, and 'Happy New Year' to you too Bryan. BTW, I forget why you want
>>> >> Dave to die. For John, you have given a more than sufficient littany of
>>> >> indiscretions he did to you over several decades; enough said about that.
>>> >>
>>> >> But what exactly did Dave do to merit inclusion on your 'Least Wanted'
>>> >> list?
>>> >>
>>> >He's consistently an asshole to me. He called me a liar about the
>>> >bass guitar. Besides, he killfiled me, and it's fun to write vile things
>>> >about anyone who claims to have you killfiled.
>>> Hey, you want me dead because I don't eat meat. We shouldn't expect to
>>> much logic from a deranged mind.
>>>
>>Bruce. I have nothing against vegetarians. I'd prefer you lost interest
>>in the NG to dying, but dead would be OK too.
>.
>Thanks for proving my point.

This is my frogger.

[Gary]

On 1/1/2022 10:07 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
> That's the standard story here.  They'll all call you a liar, and you
> put out proof, and then no response, as if they can no longer read or
> type.  I don't get why people are afraid to respond.  I showed Gary
> proof of a couple of houses that I've owned, after he called me a liar
> and said that I haven't owned multiple houses.  Still awaiting his
> acknowledgment... it's kind of like waiting for John to say "Thanks" for
> helping him... it'll never happen.

Sorry. I didn't know you were waiting for a reply. I questioned your
free houses then you responded with proof. I accepted your answer and
dropped the subject.

[Gary]

Michael Trew wrote:
>
> I fully agree.  I'm a tightwad, but on the occasions that I dine out, I
> tip the waitress well over 20 per cent, even at a Chinese buffet.

I do the same. Don't eat out often but when I do, I always tip 20-30%
even at a buffet.

I've known many waitresses (my daughter included during her college
years) and I know how little they get paid and that they really count on
good tips.

[Dave Smith]

Bryan is having a little difficulty with accuracy there. Below is a cut
and paste of my response to Gary where he questioned Bryan's claim about
how he cherry wood veneered a guitar neck. You can see that Gary asked
if he even knew what veneered means and I agreed with him. The fretboard
is a thin strip of hard wood. It is not veneer.

I didn't think he was bragging. I thought the claim about the cherry
wood veneer was a crock.

I don't know if he ever admitted that mistake. I only saw the BS claim
because Gary had replied to it.

> Bryan Simmons wrote:
>> I popped all of the frets out of the neck of a super cheap bass,
>> and cherry wood veneered it.
>

> And then you woke up? Too funny, Bryan.

> Tell us how you veneered the neck of your guitar.

> Do you even know what veneered means?
>



Yep. Calling BS on that one too. There is no veneer on a neck.There is a
fretboard aka fingerboard. It is a thin strip of very hardwood, usually
rosewood. It is a specific part of guitar and not just a veneered finish.

[Bruce]

Thank you Mike.

[Sheldon Martin]

There's no reason to not believe any part of a musical instrument is
veneered as most are, even most Ikea crap furniture is veneered.
I don't think either of you know what veneer means... it's simply a
method used to cover/hide cheap material/wood with a thin application
of more expensive/attractive material/wood... most plywood has a
veneered side. Most buildings have a veneered exterior. People apply
cosmetics as a veneer to cover blemishes.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/veneer

[Bryan Simmons]

Your brain is as defective as your heart. I popped out the frets and
glued on cherry veneer, creating a fretless fingerboard. Are you
fucking blind?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/15522299@N08/albums/72177720295632347

Pretty soon you won't be seeing shit because it's completely dark in
a coffin.

--Bryan

[Michael Trew]

It seems that Bryan is trying to say that he replaced that very thin
piece of wood, and used the term "veneered" because typically when
someone applies a very thin piece of wood, they turn the word "veneer"
into a verb to describe the action of applying it. Not a big deal.

[Michael Trew]

I'm sorry, I suppose I overreacted.

[Bruce]

But did you say you accepted his answer? If you first questioned
him...

[Bruce]

On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 08:00:33 -0500, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:

> Michael Trew wrote:
>>
>> I fully agree.  I'm a tightwad, but on the occasions that I dine out, I
>> tip the waitress well over 20 per cent, even at a Chinese buffet.
>
>I do the same. Don't eat out often but when I do, I always tip 20-30%
>even at a buffet.

Not very hard when you spend $5.

[Dave Smith]

On 2022-01-03 11:53 a.m., Sheldon Martin wrote:
> On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 10:21:50 -0500, Dave Smith

>>> And then you woke up? Too funny, Bryan.
>>> Tell us how you veneered the neck of your guitar.
>>> Do you even know what veneered means?
>>
>> Yep. Calling BS on that one too. There is no veneer on a neck.There is a
>> fretboard aka fingerboard. It is a thin strip of very hardwood, usually
>> rosewood. It is a specific part of guitar and not just a veneered finish.
>
> There's no reason to not believe any part of a musical instrument is
> veneered as most are, even most Ikea crap furniture is veneered.
> I don't think either of you know what veneer means... it's simply a
> method used to cover/hide cheap material/wood with a thin application
> of more expensive/attractive material/wood... most plywood has a
> veneered side. Most buildings have a veneered exterior. People apply
> cosmetics as a veneer to cover blemishes.

Veneer is for aesthetics. In the case of wood, it generally a thin ply
with a nice grain and used where solid wood would be too expensive. He
was talking about a fretboard in a guitar, a functional part of the
instrument. They may come in different types of wood and with different
hues, but it is essential that they be very hard because there is wear
on them and a piece of veneer would wear off in no time. The rest of the
neck is not a cheap cut of wood. They are an important part of the
guitar. They are always made of a hard and strong wood, something that
is unlikely to bend or break under the stress of the tightened strings.
It also impacts the tone of the instrument.
The fretboard is a functional part of a guitar, not a veneer that is
for aesthetics.

[Bruce]

Bryan and Dave have a disagreement, so Dave must die. That's how we
know mental patient Bryan :)

[Mike Duffy]

On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 10:21:50 -0500, Dave Smith wrote:

> The fretboard is a thin strip of hard wood. It is not veneer.

Why don't you two agree on objective metrics, i.e. a maximum thickness in
mm for a piece of wood beyond which it cannot be called veneer?

You could even make it a function of Young's modulus, so balsa wood would
be quite thick, &c.

[Bruce]

It's true, though and not so much about Gary but in general. Prove
someone wrong here and you won't hear from them again. They slink away
to another thread.

[Bruce]

Ha

Ha

[Bruce]

Ha


Ha

[Dave Smith]

Well the point was that Gary said he doesn't know what veneer is and I
agreed. Then Bryan apparently posted about how we didn't believe him and
then a remark about how people who claim to have him filtered are
talking about him.

[Bruce]

On 2022-01-02 18:35:44 +0000, Bruce said:

> This is my frogger

This is my frogger Ghe

[Sheldon Martin]

Typically for function AND aesthetics.

[Bruce]

On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 05:03:36 +1100, Bruce <br...@notreal.invalid>
wrote:

This is my frogger.

[Bruce]

On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 05:01:04 +1100, Bruce <br...@notreal.invalid>
wrote:

This is my frogger.

[Bruce]

On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 04:37:53 +1100, Bruce <br...@notreal.invalid>
wrote:

This is my frogger.

[Bruce]

On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 04:37:21 +1100, Bruce <br...@notreal.invalid>
wrote:

This is my frogger.

[Bruce]

This is not my frogger.

[Bruce]

[Bruce]

[Bruce]

[Bruce]

On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 13:48:07 -0500, Sheldon Martin <penm...@aol.com>

Uhm, Ghe Ghe Ghe.

[Bruce]

Yes. Ghe Ghe Ghe :)))))))))))

[Bruce]

On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 18:01:38 -0000 (UTC), Mike Duffy <mxd...@bell.net>
wrote:

[Ed Pawlowski]

The metric is simple. Veneer is a decorative covering. If it is not
layered it is not a veneer. In the case of wood, it is usually a thin
covering of a nice looking material over a functional piece. Like cherry
over poplar. You can have brick veneer on a wood constructed house.

[Bryan Simmons]

Dave is going to die soon. He knows that. I was just reminding him.

--Bryan

[Bruce]

On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 07:56:40 -0500, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:

>On 1/1/2022 10:07 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
>> That's the standard story here.  They'll all call you a liar, and you
>> put out proof, and then no response, as if they can no longer read or
>> type.  I don't get why people are afraid to respond.  I showed Gary
>> proof of a couple of houses that I've owned, after he called me a liar
>> and said that I haven't owned multiple houses.  Still awaiting his
>> acknowledgment... it's kind of like waiting for John to say "Thanks" for
>> helping him... it'll never happen.
>
>Sorry. I didn't know you were waiting for a reply. I questioned your
>free houses then you responded with proof. I accepted your answer and
>dropped the subject.
>
>

[Bruce]

On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 11:47:38 -0800 (PST), Bryan Simmons

<bryang...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, January 3, 2022 at 12:01:09 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>> On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 09:17:54 -0800 (PST), Bryan Simmons
>> <bryang...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Your brain is as defective as your heart. I popped out the frets and
>> >glued on cherry veneer, creating a fretless fingerboard. Are you
>> >fucking blind?
>> >
>> >https://www.flickr.com/photos/15522299@N08/albums/72177720295632347
>> >
>> >Pretty soon you won't be seeing shit because it's completely dark in
>> >a coffin.
>> >
>> Bryan and Dave have a disagreement, so Dave must die. That's how we
>> know mental patient Bryan :)
>>
>Dave is going to die soon. He knows that. I was just reminding him.

A creaking door hangs longest, Bryan.

[Bruce]

On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 06:55:27 +1100, Bruce <br...@notreal.invalid>

wrote:

>On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 11:47:38 -0800 (PST), Bryan Simmons
><bryang...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Monday, January 3, 2022 at 12:01:09 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 09:17:54 -0800 (PST), Bryan Simmons
>>> <bryang...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >Your brain is as defective as your heart. I popped out the frets and
>>> >glued on cherry veneer, creating a fretless fingerboard. Are you
>>> >fucking blind?
>>> >
>>> >https://www.flickr.com/photos/15522299@N08/albums/72177720295632347
>>> >
>>> >Pretty soon you won't be seeing shit because it's completely dark in
>>> >a coffin.
>>> >
>>> Bryan and Dave have a disagreement, so Dave must die. That's how we
>>> know mental patient Bryan :)
>>>
>>Dave is going to die soon. He knows that. I was just reminding him.
>
>A creaking door hangs longest, Bryan.

This is my frogger.

[Bruce]

On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 11:47:38 -0800 (PST), Bryan Simmons

[Bruce]

[Bryan Simmons]

As everyone can see in the photo, the original fingerboard, which
would generally be rosewood on a high quality instrument, but is
more likely walnut on this cheapie, is approximately 3/16" thick.
The fingerboard had frets, which I removed. I did not remove the
fingerboard. Then, glued a piece of cherry veneer over the
fretboard. The veneer looks to be 1/32" thick in the photo.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/15522299@N08/51797632964/in/dateposted-public/

Dave didn't merely state that I was incorrect, he called me a liar
("BS"). So did Gary. Again, why the fuck would I lie about such a
mundane thing? The pictures don't lie, and neither did I.

The fingerboard on my 6-string is thinner, about 1/8".
https://www.flickr.com/photos/15522299@N08/51797681869/in/dateposted-public/

--Bryan

[Bryan Simmons]

Slinking away after being proven wrong when you've told someone that
they are incorrect is one thing. Slinking away after being proven wrong
when you've told someone that you believe that they are intentionally
lying is another. That makes Gary a person of poor character.
Here is another guitar pic.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/15522299@N08/51797349731/in/dateposted-public/

--Bryan

[Bruce]

I must admit that I didn't follow Guitargate at all, nor do I know
anything about guitars.

[Bruce]

On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 08:15:52 +1100, Bruce <br...@notreal.invalid>
wrote:

This is my frogger.

[Bruce]

On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 12:31:11 -0800 (PST), Bryan Simmons
<bryang...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dit is mijn kikker. Ghe Ghe Ghe.

[Bruce]

[dsi1]

On Monday, January 3, 2022 at 8:01:44 AM UTC-10, Mike Duffy wrote:
> On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 10:21:50 -0500, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> > The fretboard is a thin strip of hard wood. It is not veneer.
> Why don't you two agree on objective metrics, i.e. a maximum thickness in
> mm for a piece of wood beyond which it cannot be called veneer?
>
> You could even make it a function of Young's modulus, so balsa wood would
> be quite thick, &c.

Fender used to make some of their guitar necks with a thin sheet of rosewood. They did that for 20 years. Those necks are called "veneer" necks. The necks with a thicker piece of rosewood are called "slab" necks. There is some question as to why they switched to using thinner pieces of rosewood for their necks. My guess is that it was cheaper and faster to make.

https://www.fuzzfaced.net/neck-fretboard-stratocaster.html

[Hank Rogers]

Mike Duffy wrote:
> On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 10:21:50 -0500, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> The fretboard is a thin strip of hard wood. It is not veneer.
>
> Why don't you two agree on objective metrics, i.e. a maximum thickness in
> mm for a piece of wood beyond which it cannot be called veneer?
>
> You could even make it a function of Young's modulus, so balsa wood would
> be quite thick, &c.
>

The ultimate way to settle this is to get Popeye to be the judge.

[Bruce]

On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 14:10:16 -0800 (PST), dsi1 <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net>
wrote:

[Bruce]

On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 16:42:32 -0600, Hank Rogers <Ha...@nospam.invalid>
wrote:

Uhm, Ghe Ghe Ghe. This is my frogger. Yes. Ghe Ghe Ghe :)))))))))))

[Bruce 1]

On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 12:14:18 -0800 (PST), Bryan Simmons
<bryang...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Bruce 1]

On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 08:00:33 -0500, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:

> Michael Trew wrote:
>>
>> I fully agree.  I'm a tightwad, but on the occasions that I dine out, I
>> tip the waitress well over 20 per cent, even at a Chinese buffet.
>
>I do the same. Don't eat out often but when I do, I always tip 20-30%
>even at a buffet.
>

>I've known many waitresses (my daughter included during her college
>years) and I know how little they get paid and that they really count on
>good tips.

[Bruce 3]

On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 12:25:39 -0500, Michael Trew
<michae...@att.net> wrote:

>On 1/3/2022 7:56, Gary wrote:
>> On 1/1/2022 10:07 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
>>> That's the standard story here. They'll all call you a liar, and you
>>> put out proof, and then no response, as if they can no longer read or
>>> type. I don't get why people are afraid to respond. I showed Gary
>>> proof of a couple of houses that I've owned, after he called me a liar
>>> and said that I haven't owned multiple houses. Still awaiting his
>>> acknowledgment... it's kind of like waiting for John to say "Thanks"
>>> for helping him... it'll never happen.
>>
>> Sorry. I didn't know you were waiting for a reply. I questioned your
>> free houses then you responded with proof. I accepted your answer and
>> dropped the subject.
>
>I'm sorry, I suppose I overreacted.

Uhm, Ghe Ghe Ghe.

[Bruce 4]

On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 11:53:25 -0500, Sheldon Martin <penm...@aol.com>
wrote:

>On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 10:21:50 -0500, Dave Smith
><adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>>On 2022-01-01 6:23 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
>>> On Saturday, January 1, 2022 at 12:02:25 PM UTC-10,
>>> bryang...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>> I had posted this: "I popped all of the frets out of the neck of a
>>>> super cheap bass, and cherry wood veneered it. It still has the
>>>> crappy pickups, but I strung it with Fender tapewounds, B-E-A-D.
>>>> The attack is muted, but the tone is pure. A real bass player could
>>>> have fun with it. I'm just a half assed rhythm guitarist."
>>>>
>>>> Gary and Dave both acted like I was lying. I think the post was
>>>> fairly self deprecating, but they seemed to think I was bragging.
>>>> So, I posted pix, and no surprise, crickets.
>>>>
>>>> --Bryan
>>>
>>> Back in the old days - 15 years or so, people believed whatever other
>>> people would post. These days, nobody believes anybody. That's the
>>> breaks.
>>
>>Bryan is having a little difficulty with accuracy there. Below is a cut
>>and paste of my response to Gary where he questioned Bryan's claim about
>> how he cherry wood veneered a guitar neck. You can see that Gary asked
>>if he even knew what veneered means and I agreed with him. The fretboard

>>is a thin strip of hard wood. It is not veneer.
>>

>>I didn't think he was bragging. I thought the claim about the cherry
>>wood veneer was a crock.
>>
>>I don't know if he ever admitted that mistake. I only saw the BS claim
>>because Gary had replied to it.
>>
>> > Bryan Simmons wrote:
>> >> I popped all of the frets out of the neck of a super cheap bass,
>> >> and cherry wood veneered it.

>> >
>> > And then you woke up? Too funny, Bryan.
>> > Tell us how you veneered the neck of your guitar.
>> > Do you even know what veneered means?
>>

>>Yep. Calling BS on that one too. There is no veneer on a neck.There is a
>>fretboard aka fingerboard. It is a thin strip of very hardwood, usually
>>rosewood. It is a specific part of guitar and not just a veneered finish.
>

>There's no reason to not believe any part of a musical instrument is
>veneered as most are, even most Ikea crap furniture is veneered.
>I don't think either of you know what veneer means... it's simply a
>method used to cover/hide cheap material/wood with a thin application
>of more expensive/attractive material/wood... most plywood has a
>veneered side. Most buildings have a veneered exterior. People apply
>cosmetics as a veneer to cover blemishes.

>https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/veneer

[Bruce 5]

[dsi1]

On Monday, January 3, 2022 at 6:53:30 AM UTC-10, Sheldon wrote:

> There's no reason to not believe any part of a musical instrument is
> veneered as most are, even most Ikea crap furniture is veneered.
> I don't think either of you know what veneer means... it's simply a
> method used to cover/hide cheap material/wood with a thin application
> of more expensive/attractive material/wood... most plywood has a
> veneered side. Most buildings have a veneered exterior. People apply
> cosmetics as a veneer to cover blemishes.
> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/veneer

The concept of a veneer is not as difficult a concept to understand as you believe. I have a guitar with a flamed maple top. It's a beautiful top but it's a veneer. If it had a real 3/4 maple top cap it would cost around $3000 to several hundred thousand bucks. How simple is that? As it goes, veneers have had a long and honorable history in fine cabinet making. My guess is that's a relatively tough concept to grasp, uncle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKFQ8B4cx64

[Bruce]

The FIAT 124 is more evidence that in the 1960s, at least in terms of styling, there was something for everyone. The
boxy little European and Japanese sedans of the time were so crisp and timeless. Fiats, Alfas, Simcas, Peugeots,
Mazdas, etc. often looked just right, even in sedan form, at least to me.

[dsi1]

On Tuesday, January 4, 2022 at 4:23:37 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:

> The FIAT 124 is more evidence that in the 1960s, at least in terms of styling, there was something for everyone. The
> boxy little European and Japanese sedans of the time were so crisp and timeless. Fiats, Alfas, Simcas, Peugeots,
> Mazdas, etc. often looked just right, even in sedan form, at least to me.

The Fiat 124 series of cars were pretty advanced for their time. I had 3 of them. Not the goofy sedan or the sleek spider. I had the cool coupe which I needed so we had someplace for my son to sit. They were awesome cars!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JB0WYjx9Zm0

[Gary]

dsi1 wrote:
> The concept of a veneer is not as difficult a concept to understand as you believe.
> I have a guitar with a flamed maple top. It's a beautiful top but it's a veneer.
> If it had a real 3/4 maple top cap it would cost around $3000 to several hundred thousand bucks.

Guitars that cost several hundred thousand dollars have nothing to do
about the guitar construction. It's all about what famous person played it.

[Bruce 7]

Ghe Ghe Ghe

This is my frogger.

[Bruce 9]

On Saturday, January 1, 2022 at 1:14:24 PM UTC-6, dsi1 wrote:
> On Saturday, January 1, 2022 at 8:24:32 AM UTC-10, bryang...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Now you can never say that you've
> > never seen an imaginary bass guitar.
> >
> > https://www.flickr.com/photos/15522299@N08/albums/72177720295632347

> >
> > "Tell us how you veneered the neck of your guitar."

> > --Gary

> >
> > "Calling BS on that one too. There is no veneer on a neck."

> > --Dave Smith
> >
> > --Bryan
> The fretless bass is awesome. Most people play them like a regular bass. Del Palmer doesn't.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fq78Iv9CvPE

.

[Sheldon Martin]

On Wed, 5 Jan 2022 08:44:13 -0500, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:

> dsi1 wrote:
>> The concept of a veneer is not as difficult a concept to understand as you believe.

I didn't say that veneering was a difficult concept to comprehend but
those who doubted the guitar neck was veneered didn't know what
veneering is. Most masonary homes are veneered with more expensive
brick or stone. Gold plating on jewelry is a veneer. Kootchie's
degrees are a veneer, that's why he can't get employment as an RN, the
agency he's signed up with knows he's an incapable dingbat.

[Bruce 8]

On Tue, 4 Jan 2022 22:26:55 -0800 (PST), dsi1 <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net>
wrote:

[Bruce 9]

On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 12:25:05 -0500, Michael Trew
<michae...@att.net> wrote:

>> > Tell us how you veneered the neck of your guitar.

>> > Do you even know what veneered means?
>>
>> Yep. Calling BS on that one too. There is no veneer on a neck.There is a
>> fretboard aka fingerboard. It is a thin strip of very hardwood, usually
>> rosewood. It is a specific part of guitar and not just a veneered finish.
>

>It seems that Bryan is trying to say that he replaced that very thin
>piece of wood, and used the term "veneered" because typically when
>someone applies a very thin piece of wood, they turn the word "veneer"
>into a verb to describe the action of applying it. Not a big deal.
Uhm, Ghe Ghe Ghe. This is my frogger. Yes. Ghe Ghe Ghe :)))))))))))

[dsi1]

You got guitars that are valuable because a famous person owned it. Then you got the Les Paul Standard built in 58 to 59 worth hundreds of thousands of dollars. Just because someone famous used to play that model of guitar won't make it worth hundreds of thousands of bucks.

https://reverb.com/price-guide/guide/19833-gibson-les-paul-standard-1959-burst

[Bruce 9]

Title: Mama guitar

Performer: Julius La Rosa

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Hey hey mama guitar
Sweet mama, mama guitar
I love my mama guitar

Mama guitar beats a woman every time
A mama guitar beats a woman every time
You can strum her, you can thump her
You can throw her on the floor
You can kick her,you can dump her
But she'll only love ya more
A mama guitar beats a woman every time

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Hey hey mama guitar
Sweet sweet mama, mama guitar
I love my mama guitar

A mama guitar beats a woman every time
Now a mama guitar beats a woman every time
You can walk away and leave her
And she won't sneak out and cheat
You can take her on your travels
'Cause she never has to eat
A mama guitar beats a woman every time

(Hey mama, mama guitar)
(Hey mama guitar)
(Sweet mama, mama guitar)
(I love my mama guitar)

Now a mama guitar beats a woman every time
I said a mama guitar beats a woman every time
You can tease her, you can squeeze her

Make her sing out sweet and blue
And if the strings get rusty
You can trade her in for new
A mama guitar beats a woman every time

Hey mama, mama guitar
Hey mama guitar
Sweet mama, mama guitar
I love my mama...
I love my mama...
I love my mama...
I love my mama...
I love, love, love,
Love, love, love, love, love
Love my mama guitar

Love my mama guitar!

[Bruce 7]

On Wed, 5 Jan 2022 12:07:22 -0800 (PST), dsi1 <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net>
wrote:

Can you go into more detail? I don't get it

[Bruce 7]

On Wed, 05 Jan 2022 13:21:27 -0700, Bruce 7 <Br...@notreal.invalid>
wrote:

[Arnie]

On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 09:17:54 -0800 (PST), Bryan Simmons
<bryang...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Your brain is as defective as your heart. I popped out the frets and
>glued on cherry veneer, creating a fretless fingerboard. Are you
>fucking blind?
>
>https://www.flickr.com/photos/15522299@N08/albums/72177720295632347
>
>Pretty soon you won't be seeing shit because it's completely dark in
>a coffin.

[Arnie]

On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 12:38:25 -0500, Dave Smith
<adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>On 2022-01-03 11:53 a.m., Sheldon Martin wrote:
>> On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 10:21:50 -0500, Dave Smith
>

>>>> And then you woke up? Too funny, Bryan.
>>>> Tell us how you veneered the neck of your guitar.
>>>> Do you even know what veneered means?
>>>
>>> Yep. Calling BS on that one too. There is no veneer on a neck.There is a
>>> fretboard aka fingerboard. It is a thin strip of very hardwood, usually
>>> rosewood. It is a specific part of guitar and not just a veneered finish.
>>

>> There's no reason to not believe any part of a musical instrument is
>> veneered as most are, even most Ikea crap furniture is veneered.
>> I don't think either of you know what veneer means... it's simply a
>> method used to cover/hide cheap material/wood with a thin application
>> of more expensive/attractive material/wood... most plywood has a
>> veneered side. Most buildings have a veneered exterior. People apply
>> cosmetics as a veneer to cover blemishes.
>

>Veneer is for aesthetics. In the case of wood, it generally a thin ply
>with a nice grain and used where solid wood would be too expensive. He
>was talking about a fretboard in a guitar, a functional part of the
>instrument. They may come in different types of wood and with different
>hues, but it is essential that they be very hard because there is wear
>on them and a piece of veneer would wear off in no time. The rest of the
>neck is not a cheap cut of wood. They are an important part of the
>guitar. They are always made of a hard and strong wood, something that
>is unlikely to bend or break under the stress of the tightened strings.
> It also impacts the tone of the instrument.
> The fretboard is a functional part of a guitar, not a veneer that is
>for aesthetics.

[Dave Smith]

This is NOT my frogger.
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This is NOT a post by Dave Smith

[Dave Smith]

On Tue, 4 Jan 2022 17:35:48 -0800 (PST), dsi1 <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net>
wrote:

Uhm, Ghe Ghe Ghe. This is NOT my frogger. Yes. Ghe Ghe Ghe
:)))))))))))

[Dave Smith]

[Dave Smith]

On Wed, 05 Jan 2022 14:26:35 -0500, Sheldon Martin <penm...@aol.com>
wrote:

Ghe? Can you go into more detail? I don't get it

[GM 1]

Uhm Yes. Ghe Ghe Ghe :)))))))))))

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This is a post by Bruce