Mexican breakfast for dinner

[Bryan Simmons]

Fried eggs (basted), fried potatoes, freshly fried tortilla strips, sliced avocado and home made cactus salsa.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/36178182@N08/52726431744/in/dateposted-public/
I haven't perfected the salsa. Perhaps I never will, but every other aspect was as perfect as it could have been. It was an enjoyable meal. My wife had scrambled, rather than fried eggs, and warmed tortillas instead of fried strips.
Oh, and there's that decorative plate again.

--Bryan

[GM]

I like it... artful presentation...

But ya need a big hunk of CARNE ASADA in there somewheres...

--
GM

[Bryan Simmons]

We've had some sort of beef Mexican meals almost
every other day for about a week.
>
> --
> GM

--Bryan

[Gary]

Looks good, Bryan. Yum :)

[Bryan Simmons]

The crispy fried tortilla chips are like nothing else. One
pretty much can't get a decent tortilla at a regular grocer.
You have to go to a Mexican store. The ones we buy are
made in Chicago, and their smell is almost offputtingly
alkaline cold right out of the package, but when you heat
them the cal (calcium hydroxide) slips into the background.
Cut them into ~1/3" strips, and fry them in a pan with
~1/3" of good oil, or in the case of tortillas, corn oil works
great because of the flavor, and if you're tossing the oil
after one use, it's cheaper than peanut oil. HOSO (high
oleic sunflower oil) is too expensive these days for me to
use for frying (thanks to Putin's war).

Mexicans make something called migas with the fried
tortilla chips, but the eggs are scrambled and it's mixed
together in the pan. I happen to prefer perfectly basted
eggs, and the oil leftover from frying the tortillas was
right there. I had jumbo eggs, which are ideal for
making basted. The peanut oil did triple duty, as I'd
first used it to fry the parboiled potatoes, and will get
used again, maybe very soon, as there are plenty of
those tortillas left in the fridge.

My wife convinced me to pay extra for the cactus
leaves that already had the spines removed by
folks who know how to do that w/o getting poked
by spines. We've had some really warm days, and
I've been dealing with blackberries and raspberries,
so a few fewer pokes sounded pretty good.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/36178182@N08/52726552207/in/dateposted-public/

If anyone has read this far, now you get to the
funny part. I cooked this meal high on weed. I
hadn't smoked weed in a few years. It became
legal here, as you can't help to have noticed, and
yesterday I bought a 1/8oz. jar of buds. It was
less than $30, and I'm so sensitive to the stuff
that I'd easily get a hundred highs out of that "lid,"
and I doubt that I'd smoke it very often at all, so
it's essentially an inexhaustible supply. I was
pretty surprised that the meal turned out well, as
high as I was, but I think that enhanced my
enjoyment of the meal, even as it made the
cooking of it more difficult.

--Bryan

[Michael Trew]

On 3/5/2023 7:15, Bryan Simmons wrote:
> If anyone has read this far, now you get to the funny part. I cooked
> this meal high on weed. I hadn't smoked weed in a few years. It
> became legal here, as you can't help to have noticed, and yesterday I
> bought a 1/8oz. jar of buds. It was less than $30, and I'm so
> sensitive to the stuff that I'd easily get a hundred highs out of
> that "lid," and I doubt that I'd smoke it very often at all, so it's
> essentially an inexhaustible supply. I was pretty surprised that the
> meal turned out well, as high as I was, but I think that enhanced my
> enjoyment of the meal, even as it made the cooking of it more
> difficult.
>
> --Bryan

I thought you said that weed was "icky". It doesn't bother me when
people smoke it, but I just don't get it. Like any
drug/alcohol/whatever, what's the appeal to dependency and/or loss of
control, impaired judgment, etc.?

My neighbor's a nice guy, and we help each other out from time to time,
moving furniture, etc... but most of what he does all day is get high.
I guess, whatever floats your boat. I asked him for a ride to go pick
up a truck yesterday, and offered gas money, but he said that he was "so
high, that he couldn't even figure out how to open the bag of M&M's",
and he gave up on it... so he figured that probably shouldn't drive. Lol.

[Bruce]

On Sun, 05 Mar 2023 23:41:00 -0500, Michael Trew
<michae...@att.net> wrote:

>On 3/5/2023 7:15, Bryan Simmons wrote:
>> If anyone has read this far, now you get to the funny part. I cooked
>> this meal high on weed. I hadn't smoked weed in a few years. It
>> became legal here, as you can't help to have noticed, and yesterday I
>> bought a 1/8oz. jar of buds. It was less than $30, and I'm so
>> sensitive to the stuff that I'd easily get a hundred highs out of
>> that "lid," and I doubt that I'd smoke it very often at all, so it's
>> essentially an inexhaustible supply. I was pretty surprised that the
>> meal turned out well, as high as I was, but I think that enhanced my
>> enjoyment of the meal, even as it made the cooking of it more
>> difficult.
>>
>> --Bryan
>
>I thought you said that weed was "icky". It doesn't bother me when
>people smoke it, but I just don't get it. Like any
>drug/alcohol/whatever, what's the appeal to dependency and/or loss of
>control, impaired judgment, etc.?

Did your granny and your parents ever drink alcohol?

[Michael Trew]

Mother and step father do fairly regularly. Dad and step mother do
irregularly. I don't get why my mother drinks anything at all.
Grandpap was a drunk for many years. She'd go to the bar with him, and
had to steer the truck home, when she was under 12 years old.

One day, he quit cold-turkey, years before I was born... yet he still
carried all the alcohol from his cabinet, old bottles, every time he
moved... very odd. Grandma certainly never did drink. I still don't
see the value of purposefully impairing yourself.

[Bruce]

On Mon, 06 Mar 2023 01:01:39 -0500, Michael Trew

<michae...@att.net> wrote:

>On 3/6/2023 0:26, Bruce wrote:
>> On Sun, 05 Mar 2023 23:41:00 -0500, Michael Trew
>>>

>>> I thought you said that weed was "icky". It doesn't bother me when
>>> people smoke it, but I just don't get it. Like any
>>> drug/alcohol/whatever, what's the appeal to dependency and/or loss of
>>> control, impaired judgment, etc.?
>>
>> Did your granny and your parents ever drink alcohol?
>
>Mother and step father do fairly regularly. Dad and step mother do
>irregularly. I don't get why my mother drinks anything at all.
>Grandpap was a drunk for many years. She'd go to the bar with him, and
>had to steer the truck home, when she was under 12 years old.
>
>One day, he quit cold-turkey, years before I was born... yet he still
>carried all the alcohol from his cabinet, old bottles, every time he
>moved... very odd. Grandma certainly never did drink. I still don't
>see the value of purposefully impairing yourself.

Can't you imagine that it tastes nice and is relaxing, in moderation?
I almost never smoke weed, but I can understand the attraction.

[dsi1]

My guess is that more pot smoking will result in a higher national weigh gain due to increased appetite. My mother-in-law was prescribed THC pills to increase her appetite - that worked like a charm but it made her loopy as hell. In the end, my wife opted to retain the little amount of mental facility she had left and withheld the THC.

[Ed Pawlowski]

I agree with the impairment side of it, but most do not. Most nights I
have a glass or two of wine with dinner, a couple of times a week I have
a drink with someone. One drink.

People sit and will eat a bag of M & Ms and it is not questioned, they
like the taste of it. Same thing sipping a nice liquor.

Doing shots? No, I did maybe twice in my life years ago but never saw
the value to it unless you wanted to be impaired and some people do.

[Dave Smith]

As much as I like beer, wine and liquor I never liked being drunk. I
drink to enjoy the beverage and to share conversation with friends.
Drinking shots is a fast track to getting drunk and stupid. It's also a
waste of good liquor. Knocking back shots seems to be a childish way of
proving that you can handle straight liquor. The way I figure it is that
they knock it back because they can't really stand the stuff, or else
they are intent on getting drunk fast.

[Bryan Simmons]

The last time I did shots was the summer of 1999. It was with
my niece and her boyfriend. It was tequila. After they left, I told
my wife that I didn't think that I'd ever drink straight liquor again,
and I never did.

--Bryan

[Bruce]

Maybe you were young too once. As long as they don't wake up in
hospital or pregnant...

[Mike Duffy]

On 2023-03-06, Bryan Simmons wrote:

> The last time I did shots was the summer of 1999. It was with
> my niece and her boyfriend. It was tequila. After they left, I told
> my wife that I didn't think that I'd ever drink straight liquor again,
> and I never did.

Yeah. But Bryan, It was tequila. If you're sure you can get
away with drinking one without starting a binge, give other
straight liquors a chance.

The only time I woke up the next morning still drunk was tequila.

[Michael Mauldin]

Mike Duffy wrote:
> On 2023-03-06, Bryan Simmons wrote:
>
>> The last time I did shots was the summer of 1999. It was with
>> my niece and her boyfriend. It was tequila. After they left, I told
>> my wife that I didn't think that I'd ever drink straight liquor again,
>> and I never did.
>
> Yeah. But Bryan, It was tequila. If you're sure you can get
> away with drinking one without starting a binge, give other
> straight liquors a chance.
>
>

He did, see -

https://imgur.com/a/myihqDj

[Bryan Simmons]

40% ethanol tastes like poison. That's why I stopped drinking it.
I never liked the flavor of any whiskey. By this point, I think that
the strongest thing I'd put in my mouth is:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chambord_(liqueur)

As far as the "binge" comment, it would be pretty hypocritical of
me, considering how much of an asshole I am sometimes here,
to criticize *you* for being an asshole. :)

--Bryan

[jmcquown]

I don't mean to sound like a "bully" but I see nothing on that plate
that looks good. :(

Jill

[Ed Pawlowski]

If you wipe the green stuff off of them, the eggs would be good.

[Bryan Simmons]

You prefer canned menudo and old lady casseroles.
The presentation wasn't much, but the tortilla strips
were made with great tortillas, fried crispy. As I wrote,
everything was perfect except the salsa, and it was
good.
>
> Jill

--Bryan

[Bryan Simmons]

Either you like green salsa, or you don't.

--Bryan

[jmcquown]

They'd certainly look better. So would the "fried potatoes". I see no
browning on those diced potatoes but I do see the green ("cactus salsa")
stuff on top. Sorry, it does not look at all appealing.

Jill

[Bruce]

I've never had cactus salsa. Could be good? The potatoes look a bit
bleak for fried potatoes. I'll have to reserve judgment on "freshly
fried tortilla strips". The eggs look good and I always like avocado.

[Bruce]

On Mon, 6 Mar 2023 19:42:20 -0500, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

It depends how good the cactus salsa tastes. I'm kinda curious.

[Michael Trew]

I've tried weed, from the pressure of friends in high school. Whatever,
it just made me sleepy. If I had a health ailment that it could assist,
maybe I'd be more interested. Pot heads don't bother me, drunks do.

I've hardly had any alcohol, but most of what I had was before I was 21.
Same friends pressured me into having a wine cooler once or twice
years ago. When I was 18, on a cruise ship with family in international
waters, I had some kind of a drink just because I could. Since 21, I've
hardly had more than a sip of champagne on new years once or twice.
I've never been anywhere close to "buzzed" or drunk.

[Michael Trew]

I see your point, but what irritates me is that in many social circles,
people are essentially pressured into drinking if they don't want to.
Peer pressured, and almost mocked if they don't drink. Works fine for
me, though. I'm an introvert, and I prefer a group of 2 or fewer.

[Bruce]

On Tue, 07 Mar 2023 00:18:38 -0500, Michael Trew
<michae...@att.net> wrote:

>On 3/6/2023 1:03, Bruce wrote:
>>
>> Can't you imagine that it tastes nice and is relaxing, in moderation?
>> I almost never smoke weed, but I can understand the attraction.
>
>I've tried weed, from the pressure of friends in high school. Whatever,
>it just made me sleepy. If I had a health ailment that it could assist,
>maybe I'd be more interested. Pot heads don't bother me, drunks do.

Of course, most people who drink alcohol, especially if they're not
young, aren't drunks.

>I've hardly had any alcohol, but most of what I had was before I was 21.
> Same friends pressured me into having a wine cooler once or twice
>years ago. When I was 18, on a cruise ship with family in international
>waters, I had some kind of a drink just because I could. Since 21, I've
>hardly had more than a sip of champagne on new years once or twice.
>I've never been anywhere close to "buzzed" or drunk.

I had a hard time liking beer when I was fifteen. It tasted like a wet
washcloth to me. I drank whiskey-coca cola or rum-chocolate milk
instead.

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 3/7/2023 12:33 AM, Bruce wrote:

>
> I had a hard time liking beer when I was fifteen. It tasted like a wet
> washcloth to me. I drank whiskey-coca cola or rum-chocolate milk
> instead.

My father drank his quart of beer every night. I was not a fan of it,
but with the right meal it is good. Pizza or a sandwich works. Bought
a 12 pack last year and I'm still working on it.

[Gregory Morrow]

In article <tu5cu3$3mo54$1...@paganini.bofh.team>, ma...@noneya.none says...

More cushin' for the pushin'!

--
GM

[Gary]

None of my family ever drank alcohol. I'm the "black sheep" of the family.

[Dave Smith]

I can't say that I have ever seen anyone's arm twisted to make them
drink. I think it is one of those things where they want to do it but
feel some inhibitions about it and are then easily talked into it. There
are also groups where the pressure not to drink is much more organized.

People are odd. Many of us are somewhat socially inhibited and alcohol
has a way of knocking down the walls on inhibition. People are parties
tend to talk and mingle more when they have a couple drinks.
Unfortunately, some people get carried away and overdo it. Young people
go out to bars and bars and drink a lot with the intention of breaking
down those inhibitions. Then they do things they might not normally do
and wake up regretting their decisions.

This is one of the reasons I have issues with some of the sexual assault
laws that deem it to be a sexual assault if the victim was intoxicated.
The argument is that their intoxication renders them incapable of giving
informed consent. They probably would not have had sex with that person
if they were sober. They got drunk to get rid of their inhibitions.
They thought sex was a good idea at the time. The partner was probably
equally drunk, but a consensual act turns into a sexual assault the next
morning when someone wakes up and realizes what they had done and blames
the other party instead of accepting responsibility for their own actions.

[Leonard Blaisdell]

On 2023-03-07, Dave Smith <adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

> People are odd. Many of us are somewhat socially inhibited and alcohol
> has a way of knocking down the walls on inhibition. People are parties
> tend to talk and mingle more when they have a couple drinks.

Amen! I'm a stick in the mud without a beer in me. Dad knew and warned
me about the affliction. He was right, but I have no regrets.

[jmcquown]

On 3/7/2023 12:20 AM, Michael Trew wrote:
> I see your point, but what irritates me is that in many social circles,
> people are essentially pressured into drinking if they don't want to.
> Peer pressured, and almost mocked if they don't drink.  Works fine for
> me, though.  I'm an introvert, and I prefer a group of 2 or fewer.

Peer pressured into drinking? Maybe if you're a teenager and are trying
to fit in with a particular clique that thinks getting drunk is cool.

Personally, I can't think of a single instance in any social situation
involving people of legal age where anyone tried to pressure anyone into
drinking alcohol. Not at company functions where there was often an
open bar, nor at parties at friends' homes. No pressure, no mocking.

Jill

[Bruce]

On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 13:12:07 -0500, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

Some people have friends.

[Ed Pawlowski]

But if they are pressuring you to drink, they are not friends.

[Bruce]

If you're in a bar with a bunch of friends and everybody's drinking
and shouting each other, it's easy to join in. And there's nothing
wrong with that.

[Dave Smith]

On 2023-03-10 1:12 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
> On 3/7/2023 12:20 AM, Michael Trew wrote:
>> I see your point, but what irritates me is that in many social
>> circles, people are essentially pressured into drinking if they don't
>> want to. Peer pressured, and almost mocked if they don't drink.  Works
>> fine for me, though.  I'm an introvert, and I prefer a group of 2 or
>> fewer.
>
> Peer pressured into drinking?  Maybe if you're a teenager and are trying
> to fit in with a particular clique that thinks getting drunk is cool.
>

That works for me. There is huge difference between peer pressure and
being pressured.

> Personally, I can't think of a single instance in any social situation
> involving people of legal age where anyone tried to pressure anyone into
> drinking alcohol.  Not at company functions where there was often an
> open bar, nor at parties at friends' homes.  No pressure, no mocking.

I remember one party I went to with my friend when he lived in farm
country and those farm boys liked to drink and play drinking games. That
was the only time I ever say anyone actually forced to drink. Everyone
was underage. The only coercion I ever saw in my circle of friends was
pressing someone to buy rounds. Cheap Bob had a very obvious habit of
heading to the washroom every time a round of drinks was delivered.

[jmcquown]

Bingo! I've got friends who don't drink and some who do. I've been in
work situations where employees were invited to company functions where
liquor was served. No one was ever pressured to drink if they didn't
want to. The only type of "peer pressure" I ever encountered was when I
was in high school and even then, I made up my own mind. "Peer
pressure" and fear of "mockery" comes across as an excuse for people who
don't know how to stand up for themselves.

Jill

[Bruce]

On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 15:06:00 -0500, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

When you're 18, life's a bit different from when you're 65. Unless
you're preparing to join a monastery or convent, of course.

[S Viemeister]

On 10/03/2023 20:06, jmcquown wrote:

>   The only type of "peer pressure" I ever encountered was when I
> was in high school and even then, I made up my own mind.  "Peer
> pressure" and fear of "mockery" comes across as an excuse for people who
> don't know how to stand up for themselves.
>

Yes.
When I was much younger, I spent a lot of time with musicians, actors,
and other show business types. Pot was much in evidence at social
gatherings. I was one of the few people who said 'no, thank you', but I
was never shunned or ostracized for it, and was still invited to all the
good parties.

[dsi1]

On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 1:47:14 PM UTC-10, Bryan Simmons wrote:
> Fried eggs (basted), fried potatoes, freshly fried tortilla strips, sliced avocado and home made cactus salsa.
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/36178182@N08/52726431744/in/dateposted-public/
> I haven't perfected the salsa. Perhaps I never will, but every other aspect was as perfect as it could have been. It was an enjoyable meal. My wife had scrambled, rather than fried eggs, and warmed tortillas instead of fried strips.
> Oh, and there's that decorative plate again.
>
> --Bryan

Yesterday, I had a proper cup of coffee in a proper coffee cup. It was 5 bucks. I didn't care. I'll pay anything for a proper cup of coffee in a proper coffee cup. Of course, a Styrofoam cup is not a proper coffee cup.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/7HeBW4j4TiRhJst56

[%]

jmcquown wrote:
> Personally, I can't think of a single instance in any social situation
> involving people of legal age where anyone tried to pressure anyone into
> drinking alcohol.
>

> Jill
>
>
Yeah, but you give gloved hand jobs.

[%]

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> But if they are pressuring you to drink, they are not friends.
>

Have another shot of Geritol.

[%]

Dave Smith wrote:
> I remember one party I went to with my friend
>

zzzzzzzzzzz

[Hank Rogers]

Ahahahahaha. He's got more friends than john kuth.

[Ed Pawlowski]

But should because you want to, not because someone is pressuring or
ridiculing you. Also nothing wrong with ordering a ginger ale.

OTOH, if they are drinking and shouting, I'd leave and go hang out with
Michael.

[%]

Yeah right? Another scroll.

[Ed Pawlowski]

Better than being drunk. I enjoy a drink most days but last time I was
drink was in the 60s. Just seems foolish but you can, enjoy the hangover.

[Bruce]

You want to because they're all doing it, not because someone's
holding a gun to your head. Were you never young?

[Bruce]

Maybe you were born at the age of 65, but most people take 65 years to
get there.

[Ed Pawlowski]

Sure, I'd have a drink, maybe two, but never got loud and boisterous.
Not my style. I'm more of a non-practicing intellectual.

[%]

You don't have to get drunk to enjoy an adult beverage of your
choice, Geritol and Vodka, anyone?! :-)

[Bruce]

Me neither, no matter how much I'd drink.

[Ed Pawlowski]

True, but I spent very little time in bars. I had other priorities and
when I was first married I was not old enough to go to one or legally
buy alcohol.

[%]

Yeah? So you got hitched at a young age, did you stay
married to your new bride? (none of my business but curious)

[Ed Pawlowski]

Yes, until she passed a few years go. 54 great years together.

Bought a house when I was 20 too, started a family when we adopted two
years and four years later. She was a stay at home mom

[%]

Nice, staying together that long is becoming less popular than
it used to be. Cheers to you, my good man.

Oh and hats off to adopting too, sorry for your loss.

[Michael Trew]

On 3/10/2023 15:36, dsi1 wrote:
>
> Yesterday, I had a proper cup of coffee in a proper coffee cup. It
> was 5 bucks. I didn't care. I'll pay anything for a proper cup of
> coffee in a proper coffee cup. Of course, a Styrofoam cup is not a
> proper coffee cup.
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/7HeBW4j4TiRhJst56

That looks like 50 cents worth of coffee. Maybe a buck if they gave you
free refills.

[dsi1]

Beats me what it costs for the coffee. My guess is that it's not 50 cents because most places won't make a good cup of coffee. They either make a weak cup or they use inferior, cheap, beans - sometimes both. My brother has had coffee all over the world. He likes Brazilian coffee but made a disgusting look when I asked about Chinese coffee.
For lunch yesterday, I had pork belly over mashed potatoes with king mushroom. It was called "Crying Belly."

https://photos.app.goo.gl/ufdyu3L8wnEd7vbc8

[Bruce]

On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 17:44:19 -0800 (PST), dsi1
<dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:

>On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 3:03:17 PM UTC-10, Michael Trew wrote:
>> On 3/10/2023 15:36, dsi1 wrote:
>> >
>> > Yesterday, I had a proper cup of coffee in a proper coffee cup. It
>> > was 5 bucks. I didn't care. I'll pay anything for a proper cup of
>> > coffee in a proper coffee cup. Of course, a Styrofoam cup is not a
>> > proper coffee cup.
>> >
>> > https://photos.app.goo.gl/7HeBW4j4TiRhJst56
>> That looks like 50 cents worth of coffee. Maybe a buck if they gave you
>> free refills.

That looks like a normal cup of coffee to me. Maybe the mainland's
more into bucketfulls.

[dsi1]

Most Americans will drink coffee in mugs of around 10 oz in size. A lot of them will drink 2 or more mugs in the morning. I drink about 5 oz of coffee a day. A regular 6 oz cup of coffee would suit me fine.
My Swedish step-mom seems to always be drinking coffee. I usually drink coffee in the morning - unless I go to my step-mom's place.

[Bruce]

On Sat, 11 Mar 2023 01:18:46 -0800 (PST), dsi1

<dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:

>On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 3:47:38 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>> On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 17:44:19 -0800 (PST), dsi1
>> <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
>>
>> >On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 3:03:17 PM UTC-10, Michael Trew wrote:
>> >> On 3/10/2023 15:36, dsi1 wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Yesterday, I had a proper cup of coffee in a proper coffee cup. It
>> >> > was 5 bucks. I didn't care. I'll pay anything for a proper cup of
>> >> > coffee in a proper coffee cup. Of course, a Styrofoam cup is not a
>> >> > proper coffee cup.
>> >> >
>> >> > https://photos.app.goo.gl/7HeBW4j4TiRhJst56
>> >> That looks like 50 cents worth of coffee. Maybe a buck if they gave you
>> >> free refills.
>> That looks like a normal cup of coffee to me. Maybe the mainland's
>> more into bucketfulls.
>
>Most Americans will drink coffee in mugs of around 10 oz in size.

That's big for one cup of coffee.

>A lot of them will drink 2 or more mugs in the morning.

That's half a litre of coffee. Must be really weak pond water.

>I drink about 5 oz of coffee a day. A regular 6 oz cup of coffee would suit me fine.

Same here.

>My Swedish step-mom seems to always be drinking coffee. I usually drink coffee in the morning - unless I go to my step-mom's place.

I had a high school teacher who drank 20 cups of coffee a day. Maybe
50-60 oz. He looked yellow.

[Michael Trew]

My point is that $5 is way too much for that size cup of coffee. I make
it at home for less than 50 cents per cup. I don't like huge cups,
because they'd go cold. I use a mug about the size of Davids, maybe 6
ounces. I make 4 cupfuls of that coffee, and polish it off in a couple
of hours. No cream or sugar for me; just plain.

[Bryan Simmons]

What kind of coffee do you buy, and how much
do you pay for it? I buy this
https://www.target.com/p/signature-coffee-organic-sumatra-mandheling-medium-roast-ground-coffee-12oz-good-38-gather-8482/-/A-78613364
when it's on sale. After my discounts, it's less
than $6 a bag, and it easily makes more than
30 cups, so that's less than 20 cents a cup,
and it's really good coffee. I grew up on
garbage coffee that made Folger's seem good.
Now, I'd have to need the caffeine to drink
Folger's.

--Bryan

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 4:59:32 PM UTC-6, Michael Trew wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 17:44:19 -0800 (PST), dsi1
> > <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
> >
> >>>> Yesterday, I had a proper cup of coffee in a proper coffee cup. It
> >>>> was 5 bucks.
> >>>>

> My point is that $5 is way too much for that size cup of coffee. I make
> it at home for less than 50 cents per cup. I don't like huge cups,
> because they'd go cold. I use a mug about the size of Davids, maybe 6
> ounces. I make 4 cupfuls of that coffee, and polish it off in a couple
> of hours. No cream or sugar for me; just plain.
>

That's close to the price of a cup of coffee on the mainland, maybe a dollar
or two more. But they figure for that price people are going to consume more
than one cup even though it's overpriced. Just like cola/sodas at restaurants
that have free refills; they figure people are going to guzzle the stuff thus
the price.

[Hank Rogers]

Popeye always said walmart coffee was the finest in the universe.
Have yoose ever tried it?

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 6:24:55 PM UTC-6, Hank Rogers wrote:

>
> Bryan Simmons wrote:
> > I buy this
> > https://www.target.com/p/signature-coffee-organic-sumatra-mandheling-medium-roast-ground-coffee-12oz-good-38-gather-8482/-/A-78613364
> > when it's on sale. After my discounts, it's less
> > than $6 a bag, and it easily makes more than
> > 30 cups, so that's less than 20 cents a cup,
> > and it's really good coffee. I grew up on
> > garbage coffee that made Folger's seem good.
> > Now, I'd have to need the caffeine to drink
> > Folger's.
> >
> > --Bryan
> >
> Popeye always said walmart coffee was the finest in the universe.
> Have yoose ever tried it?
>

I thought that was Michael that is so enamored with Walmart coffee.

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 3/11/2023 5:59 PM, Michael Trew wrote:

>
> My point is that $5 is way too much for that size cup of coffee.  I make
> it at home for less than 50 cents per cup.  I don't like huge cups,
> because they'd go cold.  I use a mug about the size of Davids, maybe 6
> ounces.  I make 4 cupfuls of that coffee, and polish it off in a couple
> of hours.  No cream or sugar for me; just plain.

Run hot water or fill the mug with water and put in the microwave. Let
the mug warm up while the coffee is brewing. Makes quite a difference.
especially in winter.

[Bruce]

Are they Arabica beans (good) or Robusta beans (less good)?

[GM]

On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 6:24:55 PM UTC-6, Hank Rogers wrote:

I thought it was Cafe BUSTelo that he adored...

--
GM

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

I would assume they were Arabia beans as I've not seen any stores that
sell the inferior Robusta beans.

[Bryan Simmons]

"Folgers classic roast is a very popular coffee blend of
arabica and medium-roasted robusta coffee beans."
source--
https://www.clearlycoffee.com/what-kind-of-coffee-is-folgers/

I remember this vile stuff from when I was a kid.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/25692985@N07/4512632005

--Bryan

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 9:06:15 PM UTC-6, Bryan Simmons wrote:
> >
> "Folgers classic roast is a very popular coffee blend of
> arabica and medium-roasted robusta coffee beans."
> source--
> https://www.clearlycoffee.com/what-kind-of-coffee-is-folgers/
>

> --Bryan
>
It depends on which site you want to believe. Some say a combination
of both types of beans while other sites state Arabica only.

[Hank Rogers]

He sure loved that stuff.

[Cindy Hamilton]

On 2023-03-11, Michael Trew <michae...@att.net> wrote:
> On 3/10/2023 20:47, Bruce wrote:
>> On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 17:44:19 -0800 (PST), dsi1
>> <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 3:03:17 PM UTC-10, Michael Trew wrote:
>>>> On 3/10/2023 15:36, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Yesterday, I had a proper cup of coffee in a proper coffee cup. It
>>>>> was 5 bucks. I didn't care. I'll pay anything for a proper cup of
>>>>> coffee in a proper coffee cup. Of course, a Styrofoam cup is not a
>>>>> proper coffee cup.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/7HeBW4j4TiRhJst56
>>>> That looks like 50 cents worth of coffee. Maybe a buck if they gave you
>>>> free refills.
>>
>> That looks like a normal cup of coffee to me. Maybe the mainland's
>> more into bucketfulls.
>
> My point is that $5 is way too much for that size cup of coffee. I make
> it at home for less than 50 cents per cup.

Everything made at home is cheaper; there's no point in comparing the
cost of restaurant food to that made at home.

And, really, there's no point comparing the cost of restaurant meals
in Hawaii and Ohio. Or East Liverpool (where rents are cheap) with
Ann arbor (where rents are high).

> I don't like huge cups,
> because they'd go cold. I use a mug about the size of Davids, maybe 6
> ounces. I make 4 cupfuls of that coffee, and polish it off in a couple
> of hours. No cream or sugar for me; just plain.

I use a 20-ounce ceramic mug. In fact, I have one sitting in front
of me right now. The cup is still warm 25 minutes later, even though
the coffee is gone. I make two cupfuls of that coffee, and polish
each one off in about 15 minutes.

--
Cindy Hamilton

[Bruce]

That's more than a litre of coffee in half an hour. That's enormous.
Either it's weak pond water or we're starting to understand the nature
of the Cindy Paradox.

[Bryan Simmons]

If it was 100% arabica, you can bet that it would say
100% arabica on the package. Coffee is one of the
worst contributors to acid reflux, so I'm not going to
waste my limited allowance on crappy coffee like
Folger's.

--Bryan

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

I don't know if it is or isn't 100% Arabica. You quoted a site and not
what you read on the side of the can. In response I also quoted a
site as I don't know either. That means neither of us knows what
beans are used in Folger's coffee.

[jmcquown]

However, we all know he bought superior coffee that wasn't Folgers! LOL

Jill

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

I drink an insulated 16-ounce mug of coffee daily with the exception for
Sunday. That day gets a 20-ounce mug. How much coffee/tea do you
drink in a day?

[Kẻ giả mạo là sâu bọ]

On 3/12/2023 5:21 AM, Bryan Simmons wrote:

> If it was 100% arabica, you can bet that it would say
> 100% arabica on the package. Coffee is one of the
> worst contributors to acid reflux, so I'm not going to
> waste my limited allowance on crappy coffee like
> Folger's.

Robusta beans get a bad rap, but since I've had an opportunity to
taste Vietnamese roasts, I think that bad rap is overdone. Robusta
coffee is _less_ acidic_ than arabica, but arabica has that aroma
and flavor that have people clamoring for more.

I control the reflux with esomeprazole, and have also dropped 75
pounds since November 2021, so I no longer need a daily dose.

ObOnTopic: Mexican brekkie for dinner? Sign me up.

[GM]

"What Kind Of Beans Do Folgers Use?

Folgers coffee beans are a blend of Arabica and Robusta coffee beans. The Arabica
coffee beans are grown in South America and Central America, while the Robusta
coffee beans are grown in Africa and Southeast Asia..."

</>

[jmcquown]

Does Bruce even drink coffee or tea? I only know him to scoff about
sweet-tea.

Jill

[Bruce]

On Sun, 12 Mar 2023 12:58:35 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

Ask him. He's here.

[Michael Trew]

I never cared for Folgers or Maxwell House. I've always drank the old
A&P brand that both sets of my grandparents bought; Eight O Clock... you
probably don't like that brand, either. I buy whole bean and grind a
couple of scoops right before brewing.

When I was mailed a couple of bags of coffee from a local roaster in
Connecticut, I'll admit that coffee was better than what I use. I might
just buy more of it when I run out of my last Eight O Clock bag of
beans. I've been working on a couple of big bags of beans which someone
gave me for my birthday, last year, I think.

The 12 oz bags of Eight O Clock aren't far off of the cost of your
Target brand bags. I usually get them on sale when I do buy them; but I
don't buy those small ones; I get the larger whole bean bags.

[Michael Trew]

One of the best cups of coffee that I ever had was from a woman who
bought the Walmart brand decaf coffee. I almost didn't believe her when
she told me the brand. A friend and I camped out on her and her
husband's property, in Monteagle TN, about 2 years ago. It took almost
2 days to tear apart a barn find car he sold me. We put a new engine
in, and I drove it home.

Anyway, It might have been her coffee preparation, also... wow, was she
a cook. She made us a big plate of home made biscuits, sausage gravy,
potatoes, eggs and bacon for breakfast... I wasn't hungry again until
late in the evening. Maybe it's not saying a lot, but it was honest to
God the best breakfast that I ever had, from any person or restaurant.

[Michael Trew]

On 3/11/2023 22:47, Hank Rogers wrote:

> GM wrote:
>>
>> I thought it was Cafe BUSTelo that he adored...
>
> He sure loved that stuff.

That too. I bought a vaccum pack of that yellow bag coffee the other
day, but I need to dig out and clean up the Eye-talian espresso pot
before I test it out.

[dsi1]

I like the taste of Trung Nguyen coffee. It's a super smooth coffee. It's even smoother than 100% Kona coffee. It's treated in some sort of secret process that gives it a unique taste. It has a pretty strong chocolate taste to it. My guess is that the beans are treated with some sort of alkali before roasting. It doesn't taste like any coffee you've tasted before. There's something unnatural about the coffee but I still love it. Unfortunately, my wife thinks it tastes weird so there you go.

https://www.amazon.com/Trung-Nguyen-Vietnamese-coffee-can/dp/B000F17AKC/

[Cindy Hamilton]

Ingredients:

Ground Vietnamese coffee (Arabica, Robusta, Catimor, Excelsa). The
product contains 2.0 % soy; 0.2 % vegetable oil , 0.14 % coffee flavor,
butter flavor, chocolate flavor; 0.15 % whiskey .

Add sugar and you've got candy.

--
Cindy Hamilton

[dsi1]

I don't particularly care what the coffee contains - it's a great, smooth, cup of coffee.
This morning I had a chorizo sandwich - gosh, it was tasty.
For my wife's dinner tonight, I made a burger with a pickled ume and pepper/yuzu paste. This was covered with a slice of American cheese. My goal was to make a piquant burger. My guess it's "mission accomplished." I'll have to wait until she comes back in the morning to find out if she liked it. It's almost 4 in the morning and I got a hankering to cook one up for myself.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/HHCiayMvqbaJv3nD9

https://photos.app.goo.gl/AjgzkSkVEQwG3SYXA

[f...@sdf.org]

i don't like coffee, i drink tea.

my wife loves that Trung Nguyen Vietnamese coffee. one of the Asian
markets i shop at carries it. our pantry is never without it. some of
her other pantry staples are Cafe du Monde Coffee & Chicory and
French Roast.

a nearby candy maker is selling coffee now too. their list of available
flavors is 4 times longer than the list on their site. they don't blend
it there but it is made locally here in Western New York. she has a
sizable selection of their coffee in the pantry too.

<https://www.oliverscandies.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&product_ID=633>

over the weekend we shopped at a Mexican store up in town for the first
time. i should have left her at home. i went in for ground ancho chili and
came out with Mexican coffee, Mexican sausage, Mexican crackers, and almost
forget the damned ground ancho lol. once she spotted the coffee there
was exactly zero chance of leaving without it. :)

--
SDF Public Access UNIX System - https://sdf.org

That which does not kill you makes you stranger.
-- Trevor Goodchild - AEon Flux

[Bruce]

On Mon, 13 Mar 2023 06:52:33 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
<dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:

>On Monday, March 13, 2023 at 3:29:01 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
>> Ingredients:
>>
>> Ground Vietnamese coffee (Arabica, Robusta, Catimor, Excelsa). The
>> product contains 2.0 % soy; 0.2 % vegetable oil , 0.14 % coffee flavor,
>> butter flavor, chocolate flavor; 0.15 % whiskey .
>>
>> Add sugar and you've got candy.
>>
>> --
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
>I don't particularly care what the coffee contains - it's a great, smooth, cup of coffee.

Yuck, that's not really coffee. I thought the French taught the
Vietnamese better than that.

[dsi1]

Kudos to your wife's good taste. Trung Nguyen is the only ground coffee that I enjoy. I'll be on the lookout for the Mexican coffee. You probably have more Mexican stores than we do. We don't have very many Mexicans here - beats me why that is.

[dsi1]

For you, taste is an intellectual exercise rather than anything having to do with the senses. Yuck, indeed.

[Bruce]

On Mon, 13 Mar 2023 13:43:25 -0700 (PDT), dsi1

<dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:

>On Monday, March 13, 2023 at 6:56:39 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>> On Mon, 13 Mar 2023 06:52:33 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
>> <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
>>
>> >I don't particularly care what the coffee contains - it's a great, smooth, cup of coffee.
>> Yuck, that's not really coffee. I thought the French taught the
>> Vietnamese better than that.
>
>For you, taste is an intellectual exercise rather than anything having to do with the senses. Yuck, indeed.
>

If they have to add "coffee flavor" to their coffee, it's pure crap!
:) That's like buying an apple that comes with a little capsule of
apple flavor to pour over the apple so it taste like... an apple.

[dsi1]

I find your attitude distasteful - literally.

[Kẻ giả mạo là sâu bọ]

On 3/13/2023 1:38 PM, dsi1 wrote:

> Kudos to your wife's good taste. Trung Nguyen is the only ground coffee that I enjoy. I'll be on the lookout for the Mexican coffee. You probably have more Mexican stores than we do. We don't have very many Mexicans here - beats me why that is.

Trung Nguyen ground coffee is pre-flavored with adjunct ingredients.
It's nice if you like that sort of thing, but not really my jam.

I sometimes order from Len's Coffee, and have gotten Vietnamese and
other roasted beans without the adjuncts. I don't have a problem
with some of these alternatives to highly-touted Arabic coffees.
Bach Coffee roasts Vietnamese Robusta sans adjunct flavors. It's
quite good.

Robusta is a biggie from Vietnam. Also interesting are Liberica
from the Philippines and and Vietnamese Excelsa, if only for
variety.

Carry on, coffee drinkers.

[Kẻ giả mạo là sâu bọ]

The French, like Bruce, were colonialist shitbags who tried to shove
their ways down Vietnamese throats. Instead, the Vietnamese adopted
and adapted them. French Pot-au-feu turned into Vietnamese phở.
French baguette sandwiches turned into Vietnamese bánh mì.

And so it goes.

[Bruce]

On Mon, 13 Mar 2023 14:57:01 -0700 (PDT), dsi1

<dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:

>On Monday, March 13, 2023 at 11:28:54 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>> On Mon, 13 Mar 2023 13:43:25 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
>> <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
>>
>> >On Monday, March 13, 2023 at 6:56:39 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>> >> On Mon, 13 Mar 2023 06:52:33 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
>> >> <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >I don't particularly care what the coffee contains - it's a great, smooth, cup of coffee.
>> >> Yuck, that's not really coffee. I thought the French taught the
>> >> Vietnamese better than that.
>> >
>> >For you, taste is an intellectual exercise rather than anything having to do with the senses. Yuck, indeed.
>> >
>> If they have to add "coffee flavor" to their coffee, it's pure crap!
>> :) That's like buying an apple that comes with a little capsule of
>> apple flavor to pour over the apple so it taste like... an apple.
>
>I find your attitude distasteful - literally.
>

Hey, if this artificial coffee tastes good to you, enjoy! After all,
it's made by Asians!

[Bruce]

The one advantage of Robusta is that it's easy to grow, and therefore
cheap.