Super Factories. Heinz beans

[Ed Pawlowski]

The Science channel has a series called Super Factories. The particular
episode I'm watching has a segment on the Heinz factory in the UK. They
do canned beans there. They make 4500 cans per minute, about 4 million
cans a day. 1200 tons of dried beans are shipped in every week.

Each bean is inspected by lasers and split beans or pebbles are rejected
but not wasted. They become fertilizer.

Tomato paste comes from Spain, Italy, California Same spices since 1892
are added. Beans are cooked in the can using rotary steam cookers.

If you are looking for it on cable, it is episode 3 and will repeat or
be available on demand. The title is NASA Rocket Factory.

[Sqwertz]

On Thu, 30 Jul 2020 22:07:59 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> The Science channel has a series called Super Factories. The particular
> episode I'm watching has a segment on the Heinz factory in the UK. They
> do canned beans there. They make 4500 cans per minute, about 4 million
> cans a day.

Surely Heinz has bean-counters. How many beans is that?

I guess we can call UK "Beaners" now.

> 1200 tons of dried beans are shipped in every week.

Why don't they use fresh beans? It looks like beans are mostly dried
in the field while still on the stalks, and then harvested from
that. You'd get quicker turnaround on your land rotating in
something else in the meantime.

There's seems to be a lot of time and energy in pre-drying, then
rehydrating beans at the processing plants.

I'm sure there's culinary and economical reasons for not doing this,
I'm just curious what it is. Green peas, for example, don't go
through the same grown-dry-rehydrate process. I'd be curious what a
fresh pinto tastes like when cooked to the same state as previously
dried.

OTOH, if fresh peanuts vs. dried and roasted are any example of
culinary benefit of drying first, I'll take the dried ones 101% of
the time. Fresh peanuts are ass.

> If you are looking for it on cable, it is episode 3 and will repeat or
> be available on demand. The title is NASA Rocket Factory.

Since my cable was cut (literally, 2 feet short so I couldn't hook
myself up illegally again) I found it as a torrent at:

https://thepiratebay.org/description.php?id=36334436

Downloading now....

-sw

[Taxed and Spent]

On 7/31/2020 5:38 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Jul 2020 22:07:59 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>> The Science channel has a series called Super Factories. The particular
>> episode I'm watching has a segment on the Heinz factory in the UK. They
>> do canned beans there. They make 4500 cans per minute, about 4 million
>> cans a day.
>
> Surely Heinz has bean-counters. How many beans is that?
>
> I guess we can call UK "Beaners" now.
>
>> 1200 tons of dried beans are shipped in every week.
>
> Why don't they use fresh beans?

They probably run the factory 365 days per year.

[Sqwertz]

Yeah, I thought about that. But pickle factories pump out jarred
fresh-pack pickles, canned mushy peas (from fresh), and spotted
dicks all year long(*), too.

That UK plant's output is only 60% beans, not just their baked
beans. So they're also canning other stuff year round (probably
mushy peas!). The video often hints and glosses over other products
coming out of that same factory. I'm sure it's seasonal - but with
baked beans occupying 4 production days out of every week.

It's not like canned beans are going to go bad in 8 months, let
along 18. Libby's doesn't let their pumpkin canning lines go dormant
for 10 months out of the year. It's all canned in 2 months and then
they move onto other things.

I suspect it's a culinary/taste thing. The beans probably don't
taste the same before being - not unlike fresh vs. dried chiles and
peas.

The spinning retorts were interesting. Spining makes a lot fo sense
for 15oz (and bigger) cans. But every time I see retorts I think
about that poor guy that got trapped in a tuna canning retort
(https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/bumble-bee-foods-2-managers-charged-death-man-cooked-tuna-n349641)
Now imagine if that tuna retort spun, too (tuna doesn't need spun
since they're in small squat cans).

And the laser-picker-rejecter thing was going awfully fast - I'm
interested in the technical/mechanical aspect of how those defective
beans were picked out the crowd. I know McDonald's shoots fries off
a conveyor belt with robotic air blasts, but those beans were
traveling at 60MPH 3 layers deep by a meter wide. That's some
serious computing power doing pattern recognition and whatever
plucks them out of that stream. I have to admit that the baked beans
I've been eating lately (3x this week) have all been perfect.

(*) I'm not sure when spotted dicks are in season. That's more
Gregory's expertise.

-sw

[dsi1]

The Brits are truly into canned beans.

https://sfae.com/ECommerceSite/files/b4/b42324fa-827f-4bcf-8630-dea5e2d3dd99.jpg

[songbird]

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
...

> Each bean is inspected by lasers and split beans or pebbles are rejected
> but not wasted. They become fertilizer.

they make excellent worm food. :)

there has been a big advance in sorting equipment
the past 30yrs. now a lot of processors use optical
sorting.

> Tomato paste comes from Spain, Italy, California Same spices since 1892
> are added. Beans are cooked in the can using rotary steam cookers.
>
> If you are looking for it on cable, it is episode 3 and will repeat or
> be available on demand. The title is NASA Rocket Factory.

thanks! i won't be able to watch it until someone
puts it on youtube, but i watch a lot of vids on
processes if i can find them. something about
glass making and recycling always appeals to me.


songbird

[songbird]

Sqwertz wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Jul 2020 22:07:59 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>> The Science channel has a series called Super Factories. The particular
>> episode I'm watching has a segment on the Heinz factory in the UK. They
>> do canned beans there. They make 4500 cans per minute, about 4 million
>> cans a day.
>
> Surely Heinz has bean-counters. How many beans is that?
>
> I guess we can call UK "Beaners" now.
>
>> 1200 tons of dried beans are shipped in every week.
>
> Why don't they use fresh beans? It looks like beans are mostly dried
> in the field while still on the stalks, and then harvested from
> that. You'd get quicker turnaround on your land rotating in
> something else in the meantime.

old habits die hard. what you have the equipment for
may limit what you can do.

that is the problem around here a lot of farmers have
equipment for soybeans and/or corn but not much else
also there aren't places that will process and ship other
strange items so you have to figure out the whole
supply chain and find someone who will take what you
grow. let alone finding people who will pick it if it
is a fresh item that needs hands on workers.

> There's seems to be a lot of time and energy in pre-drying, then
> rehydrating beans at the processing plants.

shipping cool water around (which is what fresh
vegetable shipping basically is) is not cheap. dried
stuff ships and stores much easier.

> I'm sure there's culinary and economical reasons for not doing this,
> I'm just curious what it is. Green peas, for example, don't go
> through the same grown-dry-rehydrate process. I'd be curious what a
> fresh pinto tastes like when cooked to the same state as previously
> dried.

storage and transportation issues. to use fresh produce
takes a lot more expense and more careful handling. if you
don't keep fresh stuff cold enough it will start to ferment.

> OTOH, if fresh peanuts vs. dried and roasted are any example of
> culinary benefit of drying first, I'll take the dried ones 101% of
> the time. Fresh peanuts are ass.

some beans are really good as shellies (fresh from the pod
while still tender and not hard).

other beans are only edible when dried and cooked.

also, note, some beans must be cooked at certain
temperatures to neutralize poisons. something that
people who use low heat on slow cookers can find out
in a rather rude way.

>> If you are looking for it on cable, it is episode 3 and will repeat or
>> be available on demand. The title is NASA Rocket Factory.

i like shows like this.

i watch anything on recycling i can find because i
find the process of how they sort things out interesting.
how they figure out what is what.


songbird

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 7/31/2020 8:38 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Jul 2020 22:07:59 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>> The Science channel has a series called Super Factories. The particular
>> episode I'm watching has a segment on the Heinz factory in the UK. They
>> do canned beans there. They make 4500 cans per minute, about 4 million
>> cans a day.
>
> Surely Heinz has bean-counters. How many beans is that?
>
> I guess we can call UK "Beaners" now.
>
>> 1200 tons of dried beans are shipped in every week.
>
> Why don't they use fresh beans? It looks like beans are mostly dried
> in the field while still on the stalks, and then harvested from
> that. You'd get quicker turnaround on your land rotating in
> something else in the meantime.
>
> There's seems to be a lot of time and energy in pre-drying, then
> rehydrating beans at the processing plants.
>
> I'm sure there's culinary and economical reasons for not doing this,
> I'm just curious what it is. Green peas, for example, don't go
> through the same grown-dry-rehydrate process. I'd be curious what a
> fresh pinto tastes like when cooked to the same state as previously
> dried.

Near as I can tell, they have a shorter shelf life and would have to be
processed in a short time. Shipping would be riskier

> Since my cable was cut (literally, 2 feet short so I couldn't hook
> myself up illegally again) I found it as a torrent at:
>
> https://thepiratebay.org/description.php?id=36334436
>
> Downloading now....
>
> -sw
>

Can't just splice in or connect a fitting and go from there?

[John Kuthe]

On Thursday, July 30, 2020 at 9:08:04 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> The Science channel has a series called Super Factories. The particular
> episode I'm watching has a segment on the Heinz factory in the UK. They
> do canned beans there. They make 4500 cans per minute, about 4 million
> cans a day. 1200 tons of dried beans are shipped in every week.
>
> Each bean is inspected by lasers and split beans or pebbles are rejected
> but not wasted. They become fertilizer.
>
> Tomato paste comes from Spain, Italy, California Same spices since 1892
> are added. Beans are cooked in the can using rotary steam cookers.

...
Part of the human food chain!

That's led to overpopulation of Homo Sapiens and our Sixth Extinction Event!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWrPo02e4fo


John Kuthe, Climate Anarchist, Suburban Renewalist and Vegetarian

[Sqwertz]

On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 13:25:47 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> On 7/31/2020 8:38 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
>
>> There's seems to be a lot of time and energy in pre-drying, then
>> rehydrating beans at the processing plants.
>>
>> I'm sure there's culinary and economical reasons for not doing this,
>> I'm just curious what it is. Green peas, for example, don't go
>> through the same grown-dry-rehydrate process. I'd be curious what a
>> fresh pinto tastes like when cooked to the same state as previously
>> dried.
>
> Near as I can tell, they have a shorter shelf life and would have to be
> processed in a short time. Shipping would be riskier

Sure. But look at all the other canned goods - especially
vegetables. Almost everything except beans are processed fresh and
have much shorter shelf life. Peaches, pears, beets, corn. Peas,
green beans, soybeans, asparagus <gag>, etc.....

> Can't just splice in or connect a fitting and go from there?

Yeah, I need a commercial crimper and connectors. I have screw on
connectors but they're too big for the commercial grade co-ax
running underground. They cut off 2 feet of cable at the pylon
leaving me only 2" of cable left before dirt. And then it goes
underground, not in a conduit, to the side of the house 40+ feet.
I'd still only get basic cable which is about 80 channels, 60 of
which are probably useless.

But I'm pretty happy with just PlutoTV streaming natively on my POS
Vizio, which I won in a raffle I didn't even know I entered (blood
donation). And the occasional Chromecast from the PC for Steelers
games or things like the short show above. I also have an active
(powered) indoor antenna when I need to watch live broadcasts.

I'm in no hurry to experience cable TV again.

-sw

[Bob]

The way things are going, yes, it can happen. Plenty of starvation in
the world already. Too many babies

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Friday, July 31, 2020 at 8:38:05 AM UTC-4, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Jul 2020 22:07:59 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> > The Science channel has a series called Super Factories. The particular
> > episode I'm watching has a segment on the Heinz factory in the UK. They
> > do canned beans there. They make 4500 cans per minute, about 4 million
> > cans a day.
>
> Surely Heinz has bean-counters. How many beans is that?
>
> I guess we can call UK "Beaners" now.
>
> > 1200 tons of dried beans are shipped in every week.
>
> Why don't they use fresh beans? It looks like beans are mostly dried
> in the field while still on the stalks, and then harvested from
> that. You'd get quicker turnaround on your land rotating in
> something else in the meantime.

Where are the beans shipped from? India? Brazil? China? Tanzania?

It might not be practical to ship fresh beans.

Cindy Hamilton

[Sqwertz]

66 million years ago? And the previous 5 took place over the course
of 550 million years? That means we're about due for one in another
40 million years.

How may of those previous 5 extinction events were related to
fartmobiles? And hasn't each extinction event been a huge boon to
lifeforms on earth?

Yeah, I know , these are all rhetorical questions. But it seems
another extinction event would be to Earth's best advantage. There
would be no more fartmobiles and women might finally be able to pee
standing up.

-sw

[Sqwertz]

They mostly come from Texas and northern Mexico. But that's beside
the point. Even we U.S. beaners use dry beans and rehydrate them.

BTW, water comprises only about 11% of the fresh raw bean weight
according to the USDA database.

-sw

[Hank Rogers]

If you paid your bill, they'd probably come out and fix the cable
connection for you.

[Julie Bove]

"Sqwertz" <sqwe...@gmail.invalid> wrote in message
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Aren't fresh beans a seasonal thing? And wouldn't dried beans transport more
easily?

[Ophelia]

"dsi1" wrote in message
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Lol:) D. loves them, me, not so much:))





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[dsi1]

I don't know if your canned beans are similar in taste as American canned beans. Our canned beans are kind of bland. My guess is that the Brits found their taste for canned beans during WWII. It never really caught on in Hawaii though Spam certainly did. Funny how that works out.

[Bruce]

On Sat, 1 Aug 2020 13:10:45 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net>
wrote:

Maybe the beans weren't unhealthy enough.

[Hank Rogers]

During WWII, the dutch sure learned to sniff american asses.

[GM]

Actually, to quote the German leadership, "The Dutch make the best Nazis"...

--
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[songbird]

Ophelia wrote:
...

> Lol:) D. loves them, me, not so much:))

helps a lot if you don't add spices, onions
and garlic when cooking them. just use them
as filler in other things.


songbird

[Ophelia]

"songbird" wrote in message news:35kivg-...@anthive.com...

====

He is happy to have them on the plate with other things. :))

I never mix them with anything:)

[bruce2...@gmail.com]

Here on the mainland, I'd say Spam demand kinda fizzeled out during the 70s, but Hawai'ian pineapple as a pizza and pork topping sure caught on like wildfire! Those King's Hawai'ian sweet rolls are OK, too.

[Bruce]

Hey, I thought you were unable to quote, but look at ya!

[Ophelia]

wrote in message
news:fe2c8a81-7994-4166...@googlegroups.com...

===

I always make pizza with spam and pineapple. It's the only one my husband
likes :))))

[dsi1]

The Hawaiian sweet rolls are actually based on Portuguese sweet breads which is a sweet, egg bread, similar to brioche. Portuguese sweet bread has always been popular in Hawaii. The way I used to make it was with mashed potato and lemon zest. If you ask me, King's should sell bread in uncut loaves instead of rolls.
https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared/fgvn8MeCTCeeAck3i3hOPw.o5nAGA70_w7XN9UMo75dt6

[Hank Rogers]

I'd rather have a nice piece of cake instead of kings.

[Ophelia]

"dsi1" wrote in message
news:85b45227-7952-4af1...@googlegroups.com...

=====

That looks lovely!! Please share your recipe?

[dsi1]

I don't have a recipe. Mostly, I made it up from interviewing old Portuguese ladies about how they made sweetbread. They didn't give me recipes either. Mostly it was their methods I was interested in. Starting with a boiled potato and adding lemon zest were some of the old-school refinements that I learned.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvYoVIeyqiw

[Ophelia]

"dsi1" wrote in message
news:32434f24-adca-4c1d...@googlegroups.com...

>
> The Hawaiian sweet rolls are actually based on Portuguese sweet breads
> which
> is a sweet, egg bread, similar to brioche. Portuguese sweet bread has
> always
> been popular in Hawaii. The way I used to make it was with mashed potato
> and
> lemon zest. If you ask me, King's should sell bread in uncut loaves
> instead
> of rolls.
> https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared/fgvn8MeCTCeeAck3i3hOPw.o5nAGA70_w7XN9UMo75dt6
>
> =====
>
> That looks lovely!! Please share your recipe?

I don't have a recipe. Mostly, I made it up from interviewing old Portuguese
ladies about how they made sweetbread. They didn't give me recipes either.
Mostly it was their methods I was interested in. Starting with a boiled
potato and adding lemon zest were some of the old-school refinements that I
learned.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvYoVIeyqiw

====

Oh my! That is a lot of work. If I ever made that I would need to use a
machine!

It is interesting though! Thank you:)

[Bruce]

On Tue, 4 Aug 2020 09:53:37 +0100, "Ophelia" <oph...@elsinore.me.uk>
wrote:

Funny video. I'm not too keen on sweet bread, which is good because I
don't have a Portuguese mother-in-law.

[Ophelia]

"Bruce" wrote in message news:hh9iifdum9j40dber...@4ax.com...

====

Yes, I think that would help <g>

[Bruce]

On Tue, 4 Aug 2020 11:12:31 +0100, "Ophelia" <oph...@elsinore.me.uk>
wrote:

Yes, and this one would fit in the back of a kitchen cupboard :)

[Ophelia]

"Bruce" wrote in message news:s0eiifd80pnunnv5v...@4ax.com...

====

<g> she is rather short :))

[jmcquown]

Do you never cook anything just for yourself that you like? Or must it
always be what your husband likes?

Jill

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Tuesday, August 4, 2020 at 1:47:26 PM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
>
> On 8/2/2020 3:31 PM, Ophelia wrote:
> > wrote in message
> >

> > I always make pizza with spam and pineapple.  It's the only one my
> > husband likes :))))
> >
> Do you never cook anything just for yourself that you like? Or must it
> always be what your husband likes?
>
> Jill
>

It's called C O N T R O L. If she cooks something she likes she's no
longer under his thumb and he's lost control. But I'm glad to see
someone other than myself has noticed.

[Sheldon Martin]

Since I do all the cooking I see no problem in cooking things we both
like.

[Bruce]

On Tue, 4 Aug 2020 11:52:01 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
<itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:

You don't know that. You don't know what other people's relationships
are like.

It seems that people who live alone too long, get a really warped idea
of what relationships are like. Gary has that too. He always assumes
that I'm controlled by my wife and that she forbids me to eat meat :)

[Ophelia]

"Bruce" wrote in message news:qjfjif56h8kcbbbkj...@4ax.com...

======

LOLOL They obviously don't have a clue about relationships LOL

Perhaps that is the reason they are alone lolol

[dsi1]

I mostly cook for my family. Eating my own cooking is no longer fun. I prefer to eat other people's cooking, not mine. Here's what I made for my wife yesterday - mahimahi and eggs.

https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared/-UOUVQH5Qp2UHvdl5DFdQA.my4bOV0KH_3mnYf4c7v0Ho

[Bruce]

On Tue, 4 Aug 2020 21:15:34 +0100, "Ophelia" <oph...@elsinore.me.uk>
wrote:

Could well be :)

[Bruce]

On Tue, 4 Aug 2020 13:42:23 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net>
wrote:

>On Tuesday, August 4, 2020 at 10:15:46 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>> "Bruce" wrote in message news:qjfjif56h8kcbbbkj...@4ax.com...
>>

>> You don't know that. You don't know what other people's relationships
>> are like.
>>
>> It seems that people who live alone too long, get a really warped idea
>> of what relationships are like. Gary has that too. He always assumes
>> that I'm controlled by my wife and that she forbids me to eat meat :)
>>
>> ======
>>
>> LOLOL They obviously don't have a clue about relationships LOL
>>
>> Perhaps that is the reason they are alone lolol
>>
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>I mostly cook for my family. Eating my own cooking is no longer fun. I prefer to eat other people's cooking, not mine. Here's what I made for my wife yesterday - mahimahi and eggs.

That looks nice.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Tuesday, August 4, 2020 at 3:03:31 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>
> You don't know that. You don't know what other people's relationships
> are like.
>
> It seems that people who live alone too long, get a really warped idea
> of what relationships are like. Gary has that too. He always assumes
> that I'm controlled by my wife and that she forbids me to eat meat :)
>

And you don't know who lives here.

[Bruce]

Your cat?

[Sheldon Martin]

Gary the wimp dosen't even have a ferret to tell him how to live. LOL
Gary would be much happier living with a ferret.

[Hank Rogers]

<*SNIFF*>

[Hank Rogers]

Maybe so Popeye.

I bet yoose would love living with a pineapple boy.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

You'd be surprised.

[Bruce]

On Tue, 4 Aug 2020 17:57:35 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"

<itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:

>On Tuesday, August 4, 2020 at 6:41:22 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 4 Aug 2020 16:23:08 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
>> <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>>
>> >And you don't know who lives here.
>>
>> Your cat?
>>
>You'd be surprised.

Gardener?

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Tuesday, August 4, 2020 at 8:00:39 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>
> Gardener?
>
Don't have one.

[Bruce]

A little deplorable in the back of a cupboard?

[jmcquown]

All I know is she always mentions it's what her husband likes. Nary a
word about what she likes. Does she like pizza with Spam and pineapple?
(dsi1 brought it up and she hangs on his every word.) If so, why not
just say "we" like it?

I've never seen her say she cooks anything they both like. It's all
about him. She also used to refer to her husband as "himself", which
made it sound like he's Lord of the manor and she's the kitchen help.

Jill

[Bruce]

On Tue, 4 Aug 2020 21:41:33 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

>On 8/4/2020 2:52 PM, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
>> On Tuesday, August 4, 2020 at 1:47:26 PM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>> On 8/2/2020 3:31 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>> wrote in message
>>>>
>>>> I always make pizza with spam and pineapple.  It's the only one my
>>>> husband likes :))))
>>>>
>>> Do you never cook anything just for yourself that you like? Or must it
>>> always be what your husband likes?
>>>
>>> Jill
>>>
>> It's called C O N T R O L. If she cooks something she likes she's no
>> longer under his thumb and he's lost control. But I'm glad to see
>> someone other than myself has noticed.
>>
>All I know is she always mentions it's what her husband likes. Nary a
>word about what she likes. Does she like pizza with Spam and pineapple?

Ask her. She's here.

[dsi1]

What the heck is wrong with hanging on to my every word? You obviously do. dsi1 thinks yoose is just a jealous schoolgirl. Grow up!

[Hank Rogers]

Yoose trying to work up another double sniff Druce?

[Hank Rogers]

Where?

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Tuesday, August 4, 2020 at 8:37:06 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>
> A little deplorable in the back of a cupboard?
>

Nope.

[dsi1]

On Monday, August 3, 2020 at 10:54:32 PM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1" wrote in message

> news:32434f24-adca-4c1d...@googlegroups.com...
>
>
> >
> > The Hawaiian sweet rolls are actually based on Portuguese sweet breads
> > which
> > is a sweet, egg bread, similar to brioche. Portuguese sweet bread has
> > always
> > been popular in Hawaii. The way I used to make it was with mashed potato
> > and
> > lemon zest. If you ask me, King's should sell bread in uncut loaves
> > instead
> > of rolls.
> > https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared/fgvn8MeCTCeeAck3i3hOPw.o5nAGA70_w7XN9UMo75dt6
> >
> > =====
> >
> > That looks lovely!! Please share your recipe?
>
> I don't have a recipe. Mostly, I made it up from interviewing old Portuguese
> ladies about how they made sweetbread. They didn't give me recipes either.
> Mostly it was their methods I was interested in. Starting with a boiled
> potato and adding lemon zest were some of the old-school refinements that I
> learned.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvYoVIeyqiw
>
> ====
>
> Oh my! That is a lot of work. If I ever made that I would need to use a
> machine!
>
> It is interesting though! Thank you:)
>
>
>

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I tried out a recipe for Portuguese sweet bread. It was pretty easy because I mixed it up in a bread machine but baked it in the toaster oven. The recipe is a good one. I added a half teaspoon of turmeric to give the color a slight bump. The next time, I'll bake it in the bread machine.

when I went to check out the rise of the dough, there was a great commotion in the living room. The cat was going crazy and there was a loud chirping noise going on. I thought the cat was injured. When I checked, the cat had grabbed my daughter's canary and was trying to dispatch it. That was pretty alarming. The cat was in a frenzy and was quite difficult to grab. He dropped the bird and it looked all broken up. It had fainted but later revived. I can't say if it'll live but that's one lucky bird. I had just come out of the bedroom to check on the bread. If I came out a minute or two later, that would be one dead burd.

https://kitchendreaming.com/portuguese-sweet-bread/

[Cindy Hamilton]

Oh, now I've simply _got_ to start referring to my husband as
"himself".

Cindy Hamilton

[Ophelia]

"dsi1" wrote in message
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On Tuesday, August 4, 2020 at 10:15:46 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "Bruce" wrote in message
> news:qjfjif56h8kcbbbkj...@4ax.com...
>
> On Tue, 4 Aug 2020 11:52:01 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
> <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>
> >On Tuesday, August 4, 2020 at 1:47:26 PM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
> >>
> >> On 8/2/2020 3:31 PM, Ophelia wrote:
> >> > wrote in message
> >> >
> >> > I always make pizza with spam and pineapple. It's the only one my
> >> > husband likes :))))
> >> >
> >> Do you never cook anything just for yourself that you like? Or must it
> >> always be what your husband likes?
> >>
> >> Jill
> >>
> >It's called C O N T R O L. If she cooks something she likes she's no
> >longer under his thumb and he's lost control. But I'm glad to see
> >someone other than myself has noticed.
>
> You don't know that. You don't know what other people's relationships
> are like.
>
> It seems that people who live alone too long, get a really warped idea
> of what relationships are like. Gary has that too. He always assumes
> that I'm controlled by my wife and that she forbids me to eat meat :)
>
> ======
>
> LOLOL They obviously don't have a clue about relationships LOL
>
> Perhaps that is the reason they are alone lolol
>

I mostly cook for my family. Eating my own cooking is no longer fun. I
prefer to eat other people's cooking, not mine. Here's what I made for my
wife yesterday - mahimahi and eggs.

https://www.amazon.comnd/photos/shared/-UOUVQH5Qp2UHvdl5DFdQA.my4bOV0KH_3mnYf4c7v0Ho

====

I am the same. I would never cook for myself. If I lived alone I would
never cook. The only cooking pleasure I get is cooking for him so why
wouldn't i bother to give him what he likes!!

Really you couldn't make it up!!!

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Wednesday, August 5, 2020 at 9:49:25 AM UTC-4, Ophelia wrote:

> I am the same. I would never cook for myself. If I lived alone I would
> never cook. The only cooking pleasure I get is cooking for him so why
> wouldn't i bother to give him what he likes!!
>
> Really you couldn't make it up!!!

If you lived alone, what would you do? Subsist on tea and toast?

I've lived alone and I've had stretches during my marriage when my
husband was away on business for a month or so. I cooked less and I
cooked differently, but I still cooked.

Cindy Hamilton

[S Viemeister]

On 05/08/2020 15:14, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> I've lived alone and I've had stretches during my marriage when my
> husband was away on business for a month or so. I cooked less and I
> cooked differently, but I still cooked.
>

Due to covid, my husband and I have been on opposite sides of the
Atlantic since the beginning of March. We've both been cooking, although
I did leave him a stack of freezer boxes full of home-made foods.

We did not expect to be apart for this long.

[songbird]

Ophelia wrote:
...

> I am the same. I would never cook for myself. If I lived alone I would
> never cook. The only cooking pleasure I get is cooking for him so why
> wouldn't i bother to give him what he likes!!
>
> Really you couldn't make it up!!!

if i cook for myself there is a lot more spices and
heat. i much prefer my own cooking over anything from
take out or pre-processed.

price alone makes it worth doing my own cooking and
also a lot less goes to waste. take out always has a
lot of packaging. if i buy 5lbs of ground meat that
is in one wrapper and i can cook it into chili or some
other recipe and put the results into freezer portions
where there will be no other packaging involved. using
glass those will get reused, lids also will be reused
until they show defects. now all lids and jars can
be recycled in our bins so none of the broken or
defective items go to the landfill.

to me this is very much less expensive but also
making sure i'm not generating a lot of waste.

food scraps from cooking all go to the worm farm and
from the worm farm any results go to the gardens so
that is not wasted and going to a landfill.


songbird

[dsi1]

As it goes, I only ever cook for other people. Preparing a meal for myself might consist of opening a can of tuna and eating it out of the can or making a cheese sandwich. Cooking for myself is kind of a drag. I'd rather eat other people's cooking - not mine!

[Ophelia]

"Cindy Hamilton" wrote in message
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====

Yes, I would probably subsist on something very simple:))

When I had family I loved to bake etc:)) I would never do all that just
for myself:)b

I made all our bread etc:) I get my pleasure to watch their
enjoyment:)

[Sheldon Martin]

There were times when I was single for a year or two at a time but I
still cooked, only differently and often subsisted on left overs same
as we both do now. I still cook enough for six meals, two diners to
eat now and four dinners for the freezer. I keep the freezer well
filled with cooked food... easy to add a salad/veggie to complement a
cooked dish. Sometimes dinner can be cheese, crackers, and fruit.

[Bryan Simmons]

My wife likes almost everything I cook, but my son is harder to please. He has made me a better cook. I am perfecting fried chicken. I've got some chicken marinating right now, and about an hour ago, I took out the neck and floured and fried it. This might be my best batch ever. Very simple marinade, just water, sweet paprika, salt, cayenne, Extra Hot chili powder https://www.amazon.com/Swad-Extra-Hot-Chilli-Powder/dp/B004A0VC2G black pepper, MSG, thyme, disodium inosinate and disodium guanylate, and a tiny pinch of sodium tripolyphosphate.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

--Bryan

[jmcquown]

LOL It was disturbing. This is the 21st century, not the turn of the
20th. (To be fair, it bothers me when Dave refers to his wife as
"Megatron", too. It just doesn't sound respectful.)

A few people have mentioned my living alone. That's got nothing to do
with it. When I was married my husband liked canned pork & beans. I
despise them. I served them but I always made sure to cook something
*I* liked, too.

Jill

[jmcquown]

Exactly. Living alone has nothing to do with it. What would she do if
her husband died? Not eat at all?

Jill

[Dave Smith]

She can't be too offended by it if she signs birthday cards with it.

>
> A few people have mentioned my living alone.  That's got nothing to do
> with it.  When I was married my husband liked canned pork & beans.  I
> despise them.  I served them but I always made sure to cook something
> *I* liked, too.

I should consider myself lucky that my wife will eat just about
anything. She hates beets and Lima beans and a few other things. I am
indifferent to beets, not at all fond of Lima beans, so I don't bother
cooking them. There are a few things that neither of us cares for.

[Bruce]

On Wed, 5 Aug 2020 17:03:08 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

Ask her. She's here, you old gossiping biddy!

[Bruce]

On Wed, 5 Aug 2020 16:59:38 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

Lightly salted?

[jmcquown]

Fair enough. :)

>> A few people have mentioned my living alone.  That's got nothing to do
>> with it.  When I was married my husband liked canned pork & beans.  I
>> despise them.  I served them but I always made sure to cook something
>> *I* liked, too.
>
> I should consider myself lucky that my wife will eat just about
> anything. She hates beets and Lima beans and a few other things. I am
> indifferent to beets, not at all fond of Lima beans, so I don't bother
> cooking them. There are a few things that neither of us cares for.
>

Well, you both don't seem to love beets or lima beans so it makes sense
you don't cook things neither of you really don't care for.

Jill

[jmcquown]

That's got to be tough. Are you doing video chats by any chance?

You're still both cooking and that's a good thing. :)

Jill

[Dave Smith]

On 2020-08-05 5:26 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
> On 8/5/2020 5:16 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2020-08-05 4:59 p.m., jmcquown wrote:

>>> LOL  It was disturbing.  This is the 21st century, not the turn of
>>> the 20th.  (To be fair, it bothers me when Dave refers to his wife as
>>> "Megatron", too.  It just doesn't sound respectful.)
>>
>> She can't be too offended by it if she signs birthday cards with it.
>>
> Fair enough. :)

Thank you. If she is not offended by it and actually likes her pet name,
I don't know why anyone else should be offended.

>
>>> A few people have mentioned my living alone.  That's got nothing to
>>> do with it.  When I was married my husband liked canned pork &
>>> beans.  I despise them.  I served them but I always made sure to cook
>>> something *I* liked, too.
>>
>> I should consider myself lucky that my wife will eat just about
>> anything. She hates beets and Lima beans and a few other things. I am
>> indifferent to beets, not at all fond of Lima beans, so I don't bother
>> cooking them. There are a few things that neither of us cares for.
>>
> Well, you both don't seem to love beets or lima beans so it makes sense
> you don't cook things neither of you really don't care for.
>

I don't dislike beets. I am indifferent to them. If someone serves them
to me I will eat them. If I see Borscht on a menu I am likely to order
it. Tonight she is grilling a corn cob for me. She doesn't like the
carbs in corn so she is not having any. I don't care for liver (and
bacon or onions), so she sometimes orders that in restaurants. She often
has an omelet breakfast. I do not like omelets, so if she is making
breakfast or brunch for me she will fry, scramble or poach eggs.

I wish I could get her excited about rice and beans. It's mainly the
carbs for her. I like them and would like to make them, but I don't
want to have to eat them all myself, and I am not into eating leftovers.

[Bruce]

Stop, my head's spinning!

[Hank Rogers]

Thank yoose, butt sniffing dutchman. <Sniff>

[Hank Rogers]

Lightly sniffed?

[jmcquown]

If I was indifferent to beets and saw Borscht on the menu I'd be likely
to ask if there is another soup. LOL The only beets I've ever tasted
were canned things my parents liked. We had to try them, at least once.
Then thankfully never again. It left a lasting negative impression.
Mom used to hide turnips in stew, too. Trying to disguise them as
potatoes. LOL

Sorry, just can't jump on board. I don't like carrots or turnips,
either. My parents used to make a dish using a combination of cooked
diced carrots and turnips. <shudder>

> Tonight she is grilling a corn cob for me. She doesn't like the
> carbs in corn so she is not having any.  I don't care for liver (and
> bacon or onions), so she sometimes orders that in restaurants. She often
> has an omelet breakfast. I do not like omelets, so if she is making
> breakfast or brunch for me she will fry, scramble or poach eggs.
>

From what you're saying it sounds like you're both free to eat and cook
whatever you want, even if it's not necessarily the same thing. :)

> I wish I could get her excited about rice and beans. It's mainly the
> carbs for her.  I like them and would like to make them, but I don't
> want to have to eat them all myself, and I am not into eating leftovers.
>

Rice & beans? Wait... what? Carbs from corn on the cob vs. rice and
beans? Okay, now you sound like someone with a "gardener".

Jill

[Bruce]

On Wed, 5 Aug 2020 18:09:34 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

>On 8/5/2020 5:39 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

>> Tonight she is grilling a corn cob for me. She doesn't like the
>> carbs in corn so she is not having any.  I don't care for liver (and
>> bacon or onions), so she sometimes orders that in restaurants. She often
>> has an omelet breakfast. I do not like omelets, so if she is making
>> breakfast or brunch for me she will fry, scramble or poach eggs.
>>
> From what you're saying it sounds like you're both free to eat and cook
> whatever you want, even if it's not necessarily the same thing. :)

It's amazing how sharp your mind is. You don't miss anything.

[Hank Rogers]

You're hyperventilating. Sniff more slowly, and wait a second
between whiffs.

[Hank Rogers]

Ain't she just great Druce? <Sniff>

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

Pork and beans!

[Dave Smith]

On 2020-08-05 6:09 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
> On 8/5/2020 5:39 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

>> I don't dislike beets. I am indifferent to them. If someone serves
>> them to me I will eat them. If I see Borscht on a menu I am likely to
>> order it.
>
> If I was indifferent to beets and saw Borscht on the menu I'd be likely
> to ask if there is another soup. LOL  The only beets I've ever tasted
> were canned things my parents liked.  We had to try them, at least once.
>  Then thankfully never again.  It left a lasting negative impression.
> Mom used to hide turnips in stew, too.  Trying to disguise them as
> potatoes. LOL

My wife blames canned beets served at summer camp for her dislike of
them. Over the last couple years she has tried small amounts of pickled
beets and roast beets(in a great salad with blue cheese and Bibb
lettuce) and it her attitude changed just a little.

We both hated parsnips but discovered that they are delicious when
roasted. However, they are still awful when boiled.

>
> Sorry, just can't jump on board.  I don't like carrots or turnips,
> either.  My parents used to make a dish using a combination of cooked
> diced carrots and turnips. <shudder>

I am not crazy about carrots. I like them raw. They are pretty good
roasted, but not so good when boiled.

>
>> Tonight she is grilling a corn cob for me. She doesn't like the carbs
>> in corn so she is not having any.  I don't care for liver (and bacon
>> or onions), so she sometimes orders that in restaurants. She often has
>> an omelet breakfast. I do not like omelets, so if she is making
>> breakfast or brunch for me she will fry, scramble or poach eggs.
>>
> From what you're saying it sounds like you're both free to eat and cook
> whatever you want, even if it's not necessarily the same thing. :)

We do okay. There are no rants about one or the other cooking and
serving what the other does not like.

>
>> I wish I could get her excited about rice and beans. It's mainly the
>> carbs for her.  I like them and would like to make them, but I don't
>> want to have to eat them all myself, and I am not into eating leftovers.
>>
> Rice & beans?  Wait... what?  Carbs from corn on the cob vs. rice and
> beans?  Okay, now you sound like someone with a "gardener".
>

She watches her weight and limits carbs. It might be a small problem
when it comes to meal preparation, but the results are pleasing.

[S Viemeister]

Every day. I think I'd have gone nuts without that.

[Cindy Hamilton]

That's between the two of them. It sounds like an affectionate nickname
to me. I often call my husband "guy". As in, "Hey, guy, where's the
scissors?"

> A few people have mentioned my living alone. That's got nothing to do
> with it. When I was married my husband liked canned pork & beans. I
> despise them. I served them but I always made sure to cook something
> *I* liked, too.

There isn't much that my husband likes that I don't. Blue cheese on
his salad, but that's easy enough for him to arrange. There are
many more things I like that he doesn't. The only thing I like that
I don't cook anymore is mushrooms, because the smell makes him ill.

Cindy Hamilton

[Bruce]

My wife doesn't like liquorice,so I cook without.

[Sheldon Martin]

On Thu, 6 Aug 2020 03:20:31 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
<angelica...@yahoo.com> wrote:

The only thing I don't use when my wife is home is onions because the
smell makes her ill. However there are plenty of times when she's not
home, like today is her golfing day, she'll be gone from 11 AM till 4
PM so I'm planning on a freshly picked kirby cuke salad with sweet
onions for lunch. Lately I prefer sweet onions. These are excellent:
https://www.syracuse.com/food/2017/10/why_upstate_nys_muck_makes_delicious_sweet_onions_video.html

[Sheldon Martin]

On Wed, 5 Aug 2020 Dave Smith wrote:
>On 2020-08-05 6:09 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
>> On 8/5/2020 5:39 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>>> I don't dislike beets. I am indifferent to them. If someone serves
>>> them to me I will eat them. If I see Borscht on a menu I am likely to
>>> order it.
>>
>> If I was indifferent to beets and saw Borscht on the menu I'd be likely
>> to ask if there is another soup. LOL  The only beets I've ever tasted
>> were canned things my parents liked.  We had to try them, at least once.
>>  Then thankfully never again.  It left a lasting negative impression.
>> Mom used to hide turnips in stew, too.  Trying to disguise them as
>> potatoes. LOL
>
>My wife blames canned beets served at summer camp for her dislike of
>them. Over the last couple years she has tried small amounts of pickled
>beets and roast beets(in a great salad with blue cheese and Bibb
>lettuce) and it her attitude changed just a little.
>
>We both hated parsnips but discovered that they are delicious when
>roasted. However, they are still awful when boiled.

We both like beets and prefer canned only because they're quick and
there's no messy preparation... we buy them by the case and there's
always a few cans in the fridge for salads. We like beet tops/greens
too but those are not easy to find so instead we grow Swiss chard, a
very prolific crop, similar in taste to spinach but far easier to grow
and prep, not all that sand like with spinach. There are also several
varieties of chard; different color stems. Chard is good raw or
cooked, same as spinach. Chard is botanically the same plant as beets
but doesn't form that bulbous root. Beet tops are hard to find at
market because once beets are harvested the tops wilt within a couple
days and beets don't ship well with their tops attached so most
farmers feed the tops to their live stock.

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 8/5/2020 10:14 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

>
> I've lived alone and I've had stretches during my marriage when my
> husband was away on business for a month or so. I cooked less and I
> cooked differently, but I still cooked.
>

> Cindy Hamilton
>

Cooking different is key. I don't cook every day but do plan ahead.
Some is for a day or two later, other portions are frozen. these days
going out is near impossible but I'd rather eat at home anyway.

[bruce2...@gmail.com]

On Aug 5, 2020 at 10:14AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> If you lived alone what would you do? Subsist on tea and toast?

I've actually wondered if eating tea leaves out of the little bags is good for you or not.

> I've lived alone and I've had stretches during my marriage when my
> husband was away on business for a month or so. I cooked less and I
> cooked differently, but I still cooked.

And you weren't alone, we (usenet) have all been here with you since what? 1995?

[Ophelia]

"dsi1" wrote in message
news:781fb3bd-56fc-4eb7...@googlegroups.com...

On Tuesday, August 4, 2020 at 3:41:42 PM UTC-10, jmcquown wrote:
> On 8/4/2020 2:52 PM, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
> > On Tuesday, August 4, 2020 at 1:47:26 PM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
> >>
> >> On 8/2/2020 3:31 PM, Ophelia wrote:
> >>> wrote in message
> >>>
> >>> I always make pizza with spam and pineapple. It's the only one my
> >>> husband likes :))))
> >>>
> >> Do you never cook anything just for yourself that you like? Or must it
> >> always be what your husband likes?
> >>
> >> Jill
> >>
> > It's called C O N T R O L. If she cooks something she likes she's no
> > longer under his thumb and he's lost control. But I'm glad to see
> > someone other than myself has noticed.
> >
> All I know is she always mentions it's what her husband likes. Nary a
> word about what she likes. Does she like pizza with Spam and pineapple?
> (dsi1 brought it up and she hangs on his every word.) If so, why not
> just say "we" like it?
>
> I've never seen her say she cooks anything they both like. It's all
> about him. She also used to refer to her husband as "himself", which
> made it sound like he's Lord of the manor and she's the kitchen help.
>
> Jill

What the heck is wrong with hanging on to my every word? You obviously do.
dsi1 thinks yoose is just a jealous schoolgirl. Grow up!

====

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[Cindy Hamilton]

Aw, bruce2, that's sweet. And yes, it's been about that long.

Cindy Hamilton

[Gary]

Bruce wrote:

> It seems that people who live alone too long, get a really warped idea
> of what relationships are like. Gary has that too. He always assumes
> that I'm controlled by my wife and that she forbids me to eat meat :)

I've known too many men that think they "are the man" yet are
total puppets with their wives pulling the strings. They all
talk crap when around other men but see them at home and the
difference is very noticable and funny.

There's a new documentary coming on the "History Channel"
starting next Wednesday, I think. It's a doc about animals
in the wild and they've been advertizing it often here lately.

In one quick shot, they show a female lioness punching her
mate in the face with her paw. The male lion cringes then
starts roaring. LOL. Reminds me of you every time I see it.

:-D

[Bruce]

On Fri, 07 Aug 2020 05:59:07 -0400, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:

>Bruce wrote:
>
>> It seems that people who live alone too long, get a really warped idea
>> of what relationships are like. Gary has that too. He always assumes
>> that I'm controlled by my wife and that she forbids me to eat meat :)
>
>I've known too many men that think they "are the man" yet are
>total puppets with their wives pulling the strings. They all
>talk crap when around other men but see them at home and the
>difference is very noticable and funny.

Interesting.

[Ophelia]

"Gary" wrote in message news:5F2D25EB...@att.net...

===

Awwwwwwwwwwww lol

[Gary]

Bruce wrote:
>
> On Tue, 4 Aug 2020 21:15:34 +0100, "Ophelia" <oph...@elsinore.me.uk>
> wrote:
>
> >"Bruce" wrote in message news:qjfjif56h8kcbbbkj...@4ax.com...
> >
> >On Tue, 4 Aug 2020 11:52:01 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"

> ><itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
> >
> >>On Tuesday, August 4, 2020 at 1:47:26 PM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On 8/2/2020 3:31 PM, Ophelia wrote:
> >>> > wrote in message
> >>> >
> >>> > I always make pizza with spam and pineapple. It's the only one my
> >>> > husband likes :))))
> >>> >
> >>> Do you never cook anything just for yourself that you like? Or must it
> >>> always be what your husband likes?
> >>>
> >>> Jill
> >>>
> >>It's called C O N T R O L. If she cooks something she likes she's no
> >>longer under his thumb and he's lost control. But I'm glad to see
> >>someone other than myself has noticed.
> >

> >You don't know that. You don't know what other people's relationships
> >are like.

> >
> >It seems that people who live alone too long, get a really warped idea
> >of what relationships are like. Gary has that too. He always assumes
> >that I'm controlled by my wife and that she forbids me to eat meat :)
> >

> >======
> >
> > LOLOL They obviously don't have a clue about relationships LOL
> >
> > Perhaps that is the reason they are alone lolol
>
> Could well be :)

In this odd world, there is always someone for everyone if they
need someone.

Those of us that live alone choose to do so. Not everyone
*needs* to have someone around but many people do.
At this point in my life I love living alone.
That might change someday but for now it's what I choose.

"Better to be alone and deal with occasional loneliness than
to live with an annoying person all the damn time."

Hey! I already have to live daily with one annoying person.
Why would I want to bring in another?

[Bruce]

Sure, but it might explain why you think there's always something
wrong with other people's relationships. Just because you're not able
to sustain a relationship other than with a ferret...

[Hank Rogers]

You need a newspaper column. Call it "Dear Druce".