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leno...@yahoo.com
Mar 14, 2019, 4:03:51 PM3/14/19
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Does the following situation sound ridiculous? It should. If it doesn't, chances are you'll be a bit shocked by the psychologist/columnist's response.
Hint: A lot of people hate him, in part because no one can prove that his advice over the last 43 years (he's 71) has done any HARM to any young person, but mainly because he keeps helping parents to solve relatively simple problems with solutions that don't cost any money - like seeing therapists when it isn't really necessary.
https://www.herald-dispatch.com/features_entertainment/john-rosemond-early-bedtime-therapy-for-feeding-issues/article_eea17eb5-4142-533f-bd79-76cf90ce0e5a.html
Q: "My 5-year-old has had eating issues since he was an infant. When I introduced solid food at six months, he began rejecting most vegetables. His feeding problems have worsened since then to the point, today, where he will eat only breaded chicken strips, Tater Tots, and vanilla ice cream (but only a certain brand). We worked with a feeding therapist for about six months but made no appreciable progress. She said he has a form of sensory integration disorder, which she explained as his brain is wired such that foods don't taste to him the way they taste to most people. So, even certain sweet foods taste bitter to him, for example, and he will gag and even throw up at the mere sight of them. In addition, he reacts negatively to certain textures. My mom says I was a picky eater, so he apparently inherited a tendency in this direction from me. I'm grasping at straws here, but do you have any suggestions?"
Lenona.
Hint: A lot of people hate him, in part because no one can prove that his advice over the last 43 years (he's 71) has done any HARM to any young person, but mainly because he keeps helping parents to solve relatively simple problems with solutions that don't cost any money - like seeing therapists when it isn't really necessary.
https://www.herald-dispatch.com/features_entertainment/john-rosemond-early-bedtime-therapy-for-feeding-issues/article_eea17eb5-4142-533f-bd79-76cf90ce0e5a.html
Q: "My 5-year-old has had eating issues since he was an infant. When I introduced solid food at six months, he began rejecting most vegetables. His feeding problems have worsened since then to the point, today, where he will eat only breaded chicken strips, Tater Tots, and vanilla ice cream (but only a certain brand). We worked with a feeding therapist for about six months but made no appreciable progress. She said he has a form of sensory integration disorder, which she explained as his brain is wired such that foods don't taste to him the way they taste to most people. So, even certain sweet foods taste bitter to him, for example, and he will gag and even throw up at the mere sight of them. In addition, he reacts negatively to certain textures. My mom says I was a picky eater, so he apparently inherited a tendency in this direction from me. I'm grasping at straws here, but do you have any suggestions?"
Lenona.
leno...@yahoo.com
Mar 14, 2019, 4:17:15 PM3/14/19
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> but mainly because he keeps helping parents to solve relatively simple problems with solutions that don't cost any money - like seeing therapists when it isn't really necessary.
Correction - I meant "unlike," of course.
Ed Pawlowski
Mar 14, 2019, 5:02:21 PM3/14/19
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On 3/14/2019 4:03 PM, leno...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Does the following situation sound ridiculous? It should. If it doesn't, chances are you'll be a bit shocked by the psychologist/columnist's response.
>
> Hint: A lot of people hate him, in part because no one can prove that his advice over the last 43 years (he's 71) has done any HARM to any young person, but mainly because he keeps helping parents to solve relatively simple problems with solutions that don't cost any money - like seeing therapists when it isn't really necessary.
>
>
> https://www.herald-dispatch.com/features_entertainment/john-rosemond-early-bedtime-therapy-for-feeding-issues/article_eea17eb5-4142-533f-bd79-76cf90ce0e5a.html
>
Interesting article. I've read Rosemond when he was published in our
> Does the following situation sound ridiculous? It should. If it doesn't, chances are you'll be a bit shocked by the psychologist/columnist's response.
>
> Hint: A lot of people hate him, in part because no one can prove that his advice over the last 43 years (he's 71) has done any HARM to any young person, but mainly because he keeps helping parents to solve relatively simple problems with solutions that don't cost any money - like seeing therapists when it isn't really necessary.
>
>
> https://www.herald-dispatch.com/features_entertainment/john-rosemond-early-bedtime-therapy-for-feeding-issues/article_eea17eb5-4142-533f-bd79-76cf90ce0e5a.html
>
local paper. He simply advocates that parents take control and not the
child. What a concept!
We were not perfect parents as none exist, but today, our kids (51 & 49)
laugh at how their kids tried the same stunts they tried and they use
the same methods we used to correct them and teach them responsibility.
Julie Bove
Mar 15, 2019, 6:10:25 AM3/15/19
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Highly doubt that would work. I have been in picky eating groups for adults.
They generally don't consider me one of them as I eat far more foods and
different foods than they do.
Almost all people in the group eat chicken strips or nuggets but often only
one brand or from one restaurant. Almost all will eat at least one form of
potato with fries being most common. Some will eat pasta but it's usually
limited to mac and cheese, Alfredo or just plain pasta. Most will not eat
rice. Most will eat ice cream but again usually one flavor and sometimes one
brand. Most will eat pizza. Usually plain cheese with little to no sauce.
Most will eat rolls/bread, but almost always white. Most will eat at least
some form of sweets in addition to the ice cream. Most will not eat fruit
and hardly anyone will eat vegetables. Oddly enough if they do eat one, it's
almost always broccoli.
These people work a variety of shifts. Going to bed early isn't going to
help.
Gary
Mar 15, 2019, 10:50:24 AM3/15/19
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leno...@yahoo.com wrote:
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> Q: "My 5-year-old has had eating issues since he was an infant. When I introduced solid food at six months, he began rejecting most vegetables. His feeding problems have worsened since then to the point, today, where he will eat only breaded chicken strips, Tater Tots, and vanilla ice cream (but only a certain brand).
Shame on you for feeding him that.
>
> Q: "My 5-year-old has had eating issues since he was an infant. When I introduced solid food at six months, he began rejecting most vegetables. His feeding problems have worsened since then to the point, today, where he will eat only breaded chicken strips, Tater Tots, and vanilla ice cream (but only a certain brand).
Offer him real cooked chicken, real cooked potatoes and no ice
cream.
Vary what you cook and offer him - but don't offer cheap
alternatives.
No ice cream unless he eats good food first. That can be a reward
for
eating the other good stuff.
Your little boy is playing you and if you don't stop that now,
heaven help you when he turns into an annoying teenager. So many
parents these days have forgotten good child rearing. Being a
good parent doesn't mean always making them happy. A good parent
also has to be "the rat" at times. Many times, actually.
No little kid has ever starved to death just because they don't
get what they want.
You feed them just what the rest of the family eats and they can
skip it if they want to (and go hungry until the next meal.) That
won't last long.
I've raised 2 girls from scratch. ;)
My one rule for a new food was:
Just take one bite. If you still don't like it,
I won't serve it to you again.
More than half the time, they liked that one bite that they
previously refused to eat.
Don't ever cater to your kids with food. Everyone in the family
should get the same meals. Don't take orders from each like Julie
did. You are NOT running a restaurant.
Bruce
Mar 15, 2019, 2:40:08 PM3/15/19
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On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 10:50:01 -0500, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:
>I've raised 2 girls from scratch. ;)
>My one rule for a new food was:
>Just take one bite. If you still don't like it,
>I won't serve it to you again.
And try again in a few years time. Tastes change. Once every couple of
>I've raised 2 girls from scratch. ;)
>My one rule for a new food was:
>Just take one bite. If you still don't like it,
>I won't serve it to you again.
years I do a test to see if I still don't like bourbon. You never
know.
itsjoan...@webtv.net
Mar 15, 2019, 2:57:41 PM3/15/19
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declaring you didn't like something just for the sake of getting your way.
O-n-e taste only and if you truly didn't like it, no more was served to you.
Bruce
Mar 15, 2019, 3:14:17 PM3/15/19
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"near death" while I ate it.
itsjoan...@webtv.net
Mar 15, 2019, 3:33:21 PM3/15/19
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On Friday, March 15, 2019 at 2:14:17 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
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> Hmm... I remember more than one red cabbage drama. I was gagging and
> "near death" while I ate it.
>
Red cabbage was not a dish served in our house when I was a kid, regular
>
> Hmm... I remember more than one red cabbage drama. I was gagging and
> "near death" while I ate it.
>
cabbage sure. Even after trying it and you didn't like it they still made
you eat it??
Bruce
Mar 15, 2019, 3:39:37 PM3/15/19
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lucreti...@fl.it
Mar 15, 2019, 3:42:27 PM3/15/19
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first time he saw me cutting up the squid he said 'Ugh, I don't like
that' and when I asked if he had ever eaten he said no, he just knew.
I made him eat half a ring when it was cooked and ever after we
couldn't stop him!
>
>Don't ever cater to your kids with food. Everyone in the family
>should get the same meals. Don't take orders from each like Julie
>did. You are NOT running a restaurant.
My grandmother had a good charm for that, 'You don't like it?? Good
>Don't ever cater to your kids with food. Everyone in the family
>should get the same meals. Don't take orders from each like Julie
>did. You are NOT running a restaurant.
all the more for the rest of us!"
lucreti...@fl.it
Mar 15, 2019, 3:44:41 PM3/15/19
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the parents who paid their kids way into colleges etc and this
professor said he calls them the 'snow plough parents' ! So they've
come down from helicopter parents :)
itsjoan...@webtv.net
Mar 15, 2019, 3:48:18 PM3/15/19
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On Friday, March 15, 2019 at 2:39:37 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
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> Yes, it came back every now and then. And Brussels sprouts.
>
Brussel sprouts! EEEEEEEK!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Yes, it came back every now and then. And Brussels sprouts.
>
You do know the Latin name for Brussel sprouts? (Tiny bitter cabbages.)
itsjoan...@webtv.net
Mar 15, 2019, 3:51:16 PM3/15/19
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On Friday, March 15, 2019 at 2:44:41 PM UTC-5, lucreti...@fl.it wrote:
>
> I heard a nice line the other day on the news, they were talking about
> the parents who paid their kids way into colleges etc and this
> professor said he calls them the 'snow plough parents' ! So they've
> come down from helicopter parents :)
>
It's Hollywood, so I don't think anyone will actually see any jail time, but
>
> I heard a nice line the other day on the news, they were talking about
> the parents who paid their kids way into colleges etc and this
> professor said he calls them the 'snow plough parents' ! So they've
> come down from helicopter parents :)
>
I hope they're slapped with some HEFTY fines. Too bad the kids have stupid
parents, but they need to be kicked out of college. They can't feign ignorance,
they know those scores were not theirs when they applied and were accepted.
A Moose in Love
Mar 15, 2019, 3:51:19 PM3/15/19
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Cindy Hamilton
Mar 15, 2019, 3:52:33 PM3/15/19
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On Friday, March 15, 2019 at 3:33:21 PM UTC-4, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
up on the dining table one night. IIRC I was between 5 and 8 years
old at the time, so it's not as if they tried once or twice and allowed
me to refrain from eating them.
Cindy Hamilton
Cindy Hamilton
Mar 15, 2019, 3:54:32 PM3/15/19
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When I was a kid, the only way I could eat canned green beans or
spinach was to douse it in vinegar. I still love sour stuff.
Cindy Hamilton
Bruce
Mar 15, 2019, 3:56:49 PM3/15/19
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On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 12:48:15 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
<itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>On Friday, March 15, 2019 at 2:39:37 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>>
>> Yes, it came back every now and then. And Brussels sprouts.
>>
>Brussel sprouts! EEEEEEEK!!!!!!!!!!
Lol, I can handle them now, but not when I was young. I wonder if
<itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>On Friday, March 15, 2019 at 2:39:37 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>>
>> Yes, it came back every now and then. And Brussels sprouts.
>>
>Brussel sprouts! EEEEEEEK!!!!!!!!!!
they've become less bitter.
>You do know the Latin name for Brussel sprouts? (Tiny bitter cabbages.)
graham
Mar 15, 2019, 4:06:23 PM3/15/19
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vegetable marrow. But I had to eat the bloody stuff!
Bruce
Mar 15, 2019, 4:13:13 PM3/15/19
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squash, Halloween conundrum just became even more complicated.
Julie Bove
Mar 15, 2019, 4:21:17 PM3/15/19
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"Gary" <g.ma...@att.net> wrote in message news:5C8BC9A8...@att.net...
eats junk food. Why did you give them the junk to begin with? It's a common
scenario. Such parents often seem to freak out when the kid won't eat and
just keep offering them anything and everything until they find something
the kid will eat. It's as though they think the kid will starve if they
don't eat something right then and there, the kid will starve to death,
immediately.
One example is a boy I will refer to as J. His parents had a potluck. I
brought a huge pan of lasagna. I put lots of vegetables in the sauce, taking
time to make it smooth with my immersion blender. Reason being, my one
friend has two boys and they would not eat vegetables.Past experience taught
me that her boys would eat the vegetables if they could not see obvious
chunks of them.
We were all happily eating when J's dad saw a chunk of onion on his own
plate. A chunk that my immersion blender missed. Dad screamed loudly. OMG!
Is that an onion? J doesn't eat onions! J looked terrified, dropped his fork
and refused to eat anything.
All eyes were on J now. J's mom ran to comfort him. She herself was in a
panic, telling the others that J didn't eat enough. She then tried to turn
the eating into a game, telling him that he could get up and play if he
would eat 5 bites of food. Did not matter what that food was. Just 5 bites.
J bolted in fear. Time and time again, he was brought back to his chair to
be given a spanking for not eating. Others joined in, trying to encourage
him to eat.
This went on for at least an hour with most of the adults acting like it was
a life and death situation if J didn't take those 5 bites. All the while, J
was attempting to soothe himself with juice box after juice box. I think he
likely filled up on juice and was too full to eat!
They also gave J unlimited access to cans of regular Sprite, bought him ice
cream when the ice cream truck rolled around, and gave him candy and cookies
throughout the day. No wonder he didn't want to eat dinner!
When we lived in NY, it was always somebody's birthday or there was some
other reason to celebrate at school or dance. Out came the juice boxes,
donut holes, cupcakes, cookies, candy, you name it. And they tried to force
the kids to eat a crappy, junk breakfast even if they'd already eaten at
home.
People would tell me that I was being mean to Angela because I didn't allow
her to have juice, regular soda or most sweets. And yet? She was much less
picky about food than her friends. As a child, she would not eat fries or
chicken strips but she would eat salad, chili or a pork chop.
Julie Bove
Mar 15, 2019, 4:27:57 PM3/15/19
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we had to eat it. Once or twice a year would be the dreaded canned
asparagus. And by canned, I don't mean the stuff in a jar. This was was mush
in a can. Also milk. I hated milk. We had to drink it with every meal.
Finally my Dr. told my mom to stop giving me milk. I had acne. It cleared
right up when I stopped drinking milk.
My brother had it worse. He hated any and all vegetables. He wasn't allowed
to eat the rest of his dinner until he'd eaten all of his veggies.
Thankfully these rules only applied at home. We usually dined out and the
rules didn't apply there.
Dave Smith
Mar 15, 2019, 4:38:09 PM3/15/19
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go out to trick or treat on Halloween because he refused to eat his
peas. I was not terribly sympathetic. There are some vegetables that
are pretty strong tasting and unpleasant, but I can't see peas as being
one of those. I like them. I love fresh peas, snow peas, sugar snap
peas, frozen peas and even like canned peas.
> Cindy Hamilton
>
Bruce
Mar 15, 2019, 4:46:04 PM3/15/19
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Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl
Mar 15, 2019, 5:04:00 PM3/15/19
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perfect 98.6 f temp and then there is that other part which is pretty
damn good also...
--
____/~~~sine qua non~~~\____
itsjoan...@webtv.net
Mar 15, 2019, 5:13:34 PM3/15/19
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On Friday, March 15, 2019 at 2:51:19 PM UTC-5, A Moose in Love wrote:
>
> i hated green bean soup when i was a youngster. so one day i sabotaged it. i squirted a whole bunch of vinegar into it while it was cooking. lol. my folks thought it was funny.
>
Hmmmmmm, I've never heard of 'green bean soup.' As much as I love green beans,
>
> i hated green bean soup when i was a youngster. so one day i sabotaged it. i squirted a whole bunch of vinegar into it while it was cooking. lol. my folks thought it was funny.
>
a soup of that name does not sound appealing.
itsjoan...@webtv.net
Mar 15, 2019, 5:14:41 PM3/15/19
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On Friday, March 15, 2019 at 2:52:33 PM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> My family repeatedly tried to get me to eat peas until I barfed them
> up on the dining table one night. IIRC I was between 5 and 8 years
> old at the time, so it's not as if they tried once or twice and allowed
> me to refrain from eating them.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
As a child I loved green peas! But now I detest those little green orbs.
>
> My family repeatedly tried to get me to eat peas until I barfed them
> up on the dining table one night. IIRC I was between 5 and 8 years
> old at the time, so it's not as if they tried once or twice and allowed
> me to refrain from eating them.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
itsjoan...@webtv.net
Mar 15, 2019, 5:16:17 PM3/15/19
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On Friday, March 15, 2019 at 2:56:49 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 12:48:15 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
> <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>
> >Brussel sprouts! EEEEEEEK!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Lol, I can handle them now, but not when I was young. I wonder if
> they've become less bitter.
>
My personal experience is no, they have not mellowed and become less bitter.
> On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 12:48:15 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
> <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>
> >Brussel sprouts! EEEEEEEK!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Lol, I can handle them now, but not when I was young. I wonder if
> they've become less bitter.
>
>
> >You do know the Latin name for Brussel sprouts? (Tiny bitter cabbages.)
>
> No I don't :)
>
Now you do! Isn't great to learn something new every single day??
> >You do know the Latin name for Brussel sprouts? (Tiny bitter cabbages.)
>
> No I don't :)
>
;-)
itsjoan...@webtv.net
Mar 15, 2019, 5:18:51 PM3/15/19
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On Friday, March 15, 2019 at 4:04:00 PM UTC-5, Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl wrote:
>
> Try warm breast milk, try and obtain fresh from the source. It is a
> perfect 98.6 f temp and then there is that other part which is pretty
> damn good also...
>
Why would I want to try warm breast milk??? Not even sure what your comment
>
> Try warm breast milk, try and obtain fresh from the source. It is a
> perfect 98.6 f temp and then there is that other part which is pretty
> damn good also...
>
has to do with this subject of picky eaters.
jmcquown
Mar 15, 2019, 5:31:15 PM3/15/19
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On 3/15/2019 11:50 AM, Gary wrote:
> leno...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>> Q: "My 5-year-old has had eating issues since he was an infant. When I introduced solid food at six months, he began rejecting most vegetables. His feeding problems have worsened since then to the point, today, where he will eat only breaded chicken strips, Tater Tots, and vanilla ice cream (but only a certain brand).
>
> Shame on you for feeding him that.
Note: Leona was quoting from the article she posted. She's not the one
> leno...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>> Q: "My 5-year-old has had eating issues since he was an infant. When I introduced solid food at six months, he began rejecting most vegetables. His feeding problems have worsened since then to the point, today, where he will eat only breaded chicken strips, Tater Tots, and vanilla ice cream (but only a certain brand).
>
> Shame on you for feeding him that.
who fed that to her kid. I don't even know if she *has* a kid. LOL
Jill
Bruce
Mar 15, 2019, 5:34:55 PM3/15/19
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On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 14:16:14 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
bitter cabbages). I thought you were doing a cliffhanger :)
Do you know witlof/chicory/Belgian endives/French endives? I don't
know what you call them. These:
<https://groentegroente.nl/wp-content/uploads/Witlof-1-S-D-698-1.jpg>
I once read that they've become less bitter because they're no longer
grown in dirt but on water.
<itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>On Friday, March 15, 2019 at 2:56:49 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>> On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 12:48:15 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
>> <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>>
>> >Brussel sprouts! EEEEEEEK!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>> Lol, I can handle them now, but not when I was young. I wonder if
>> they've become less bitter.
>>
>My personal experience is no, they have not mellowed and become less bitter.
>>
>> >You do know the Latin name for Brussel sprouts? (Tiny bitter cabbages.)
>>
>> No I don't :)
>>
>Now you do! Isn't great to learn something new every single day??
>;-)
Yes, it is. I didn't realize you had already given the answer (tiny
>On Friday, March 15, 2019 at 2:56:49 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>> On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 12:48:15 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
>> <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>>
>> >Brussel sprouts! EEEEEEEK!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>> Lol, I can handle them now, but not when I was young. I wonder if
>> they've become less bitter.
>>
>My personal experience is no, they have not mellowed and become less bitter.
>>
>> >You do know the Latin name for Brussel sprouts? (Tiny bitter cabbages.)
>>
>> No I don't :)
>>
>Now you do! Isn't great to learn something new every single day??
>;-)
bitter cabbages). I thought you were doing a cliffhanger :)
Do you know witlof/chicory/Belgian endives/French endives? I don't
know what you call them. These:
<https://groentegroente.nl/wp-content/uploads/Witlof-1-S-D-698-1.jpg>
I once read that they've become less bitter because they're no longer
grown in dirt but on water.
lucreti...@fl.it
Mar 15, 2019, 5:44:08 PM3/15/19
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because her work no longer appealed to her. She was a student
counsellor at a local university. She said she loved it when she
dealt with students, but when helicopter parents started bugging her,
she felt she didn't want to take it any longer, not her original job.
Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl
Mar 15, 2019, 6:06:38 PM3/15/19
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dsi1
Mar 15, 2019, 6:19:29 PM3/15/19
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Dave Smith
Mar 15, 2019, 6:43:53 PM3/15/19
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On 2019-03-15 5:43 p.m., lucreti...@fl.it wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 12:51:13 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
> On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 12:51:13 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
> A member of the bridge club where I play said she retired early
> because her work no longer appealed to her. She was a student
> counsellor at a local university. She said she loved it when she
> dealt with students, but when helicopter parents started bugging her,
> she felt she didn't want to take it any longer, not her original job.
>
i pity today's kids. We had bicycles and we spend weekends and summer
> because her work no longer appealed to her. She was a student
> counsellor at a local university. She said she loved it when she
> dealt with students, but when helicopter parents started bugging her,
> she felt she didn't want to take it any longer, not her original job.
>
vacations pedaling our butts around on bicycle hikes. We had about a 10
mile radius. When I was 14 my good friend moved about 40 miles north
and then I moved about 60 miles south and I hitch hiked back and forth
to visit him. My nephew's kids were not allowed to go to the park on
their own. The park was directly across the street.
I raised our son to be as independent as I was. When he was 19 he went
to Africa to work for a year. Now that he is working and has money and
time to travel he goes on interesting vacations on his own, travelling
to places like Russia, Peru, Bolivia and Ecuador. I don't think kids
with helicopter parents would even dream of things like that.
A Moose in Love
Mar 15, 2019, 6:48:56 PM3/15/19
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On Friday, March 15, 2019 at 3:54:32 PM UTC-4, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Friday, March 15, 2019 at 3:51:19 PM UTC-4, A Moose in Love wrote:
> > On Friday, March 15, 2019 at 3:33:21 PM UTC-4, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
> > > On Friday, March 15, 2019 at 2:14:17 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hmm... I remember more than one red cabbage drama. I was gagging and
> > > > "near death" while I ate it.
> > > >
> > > Red cabbage was not a dish served in our house when I was a kid, regular
> > > cabbage sure. Even after trying it and you didn't like it they still made
> > > you eat it??
> >
> > i hated green bean soup when i was a youngster. so one day i sabotaged it. i squirted a whole bunch of vinegar into it while it was cooking. lol. my folks thought it was funny.
>
> Green bean soup?
>
yes. i also didn't like sour cherry soup, although i liked the home made dumplings in there.
> On Friday, March 15, 2019 at 3:51:19 PM UTC-4, A Moose in Love wrote:
> > On Friday, March 15, 2019 at 3:33:21 PM UTC-4, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
> > > On Friday, March 15, 2019 at 2:14:17 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hmm... I remember more than one red cabbage drama. I was gagging and
> > > > "near death" while I ate it.
> > > >
> > > Red cabbage was not a dish served in our house when I was a kid, regular
> > > cabbage sure. Even after trying it and you didn't like it they still made
> > > you eat it??
> >
> > i hated green bean soup when i was a youngster. so one day i sabotaged it. i squirted a whole bunch of vinegar into it while it was cooking. lol. my folks thought it was funny.
>
> Green bean soup?
>
itsjoan...@webtv.net
Mar 15, 2019, 7:18:36 PM3/15/19
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On Friday, March 15, 2019 at 5:06:38 PM UTC-5, Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl wrote:
>
> read the topic. see if you can relate...
>
I've read the topic and contributed then you drunkenly stumble in and ramble
>
> read the topic. see if you can relate...
>
something about breast milk. We're not talking about crawlers and barely
walking children.
Bruce
Mar 15, 2019, 7:24:11 PM3/15/19
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expected it more from Sheldon.
itsjoan...@webtv.net
Mar 15, 2019, 7:54:19 PM3/15/19
to
his comment.
Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl
Mar 15, 2019, 9:20:34 PM3/15/19
to
that of how it is not. Nothing ever changes. Let me spell this out for
you.... Have you ever heard of people drinking warm milk to help then
get to sleep?
What was it the topic mentions? something about early bedtime
therapy, and I was just so sure that the line I typed "It is a
perfect 98.6 f temp and then there is that other part which is pretty
damn good also..." would have just given away everything.... but you
seem more concerned with deleting the previous posts and replies.
Snipping is NEVER a good thing. I have seen histories that were long
enough to be considered novels.
Read more, complain less. Stop worshiping fairies. Use your brain and
actually try to figure things out. Especially something as simple as
the ... lets call it a pun...
and that I was talking about sucking tits before bed.. I mean cmon....
Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl
Mar 15, 2019, 9:21:30 PM3/15/19
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On Sat, 16 Mar 2019 10:24:05 +1100, Bruce <br...@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
Oh I am so far past Sheldon, weather Sheldon here or the Sheldon of
fiction
wrote:
fiction
lucreti...@fl.it
Mar 15, 2019, 9:22:48 PM3/15/19
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Halifax where we raised our kids. I couldn't think what seemed wrong,
given it is still a desirable area for young families. Finally I
realised what it was - no kids milling around, no cluster of bikes
thrown down in one yard because all the kids were there, no group of
kids walking along with a couple of dogs at their heels, no kids
swimming in the lake - it was like no kids lived there. Guess they
were all inside with their 'phones.
Bruce
Mar 15, 2019, 10:02:26 PM3/15/19
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On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 20:20:26 -0500,
Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl wrote:
>On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 16:18:33 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
><itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>
>>On Friday, March 15, 2019 at 5:06:38 PM UTC-5, Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl wrote:
>>>
>>> read the topic. see if you can relate...
>>>
>>I've read the topic and contributed then you drunkenly stumble in and ramble
>>something about breast milk. We're not talking about crawlers and barely
>>walking children.
>
>
>Wow it would seem that the education of your generation was as bad as
>that of how it is not. Nothing ever changes. Let me spell this out for
>you.... Have you ever heard of people drinking warm milk to help then
>get to sleep?
So when you can't sleep you go look for a pregnant woman?
Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl wrote:
>On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 16:18:33 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
><itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>
>>On Friday, March 15, 2019 at 5:06:38 PM UTC-5, Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl wrote:
>>>
>>> read the topic. see if you can relate...
>>>
>>I've read the topic and contributed then you drunkenly stumble in and ramble
>>something about breast milk. We're not talking about crawlers and barely
>>walking children.
>
>
>Wow it would seem that the education of your generation was as bad as
>that of how it is not. Nothing ever changes. Let me spell this out for
>you.... Have you ever heard of people drinking warm milk to help then
>get to sleep?
Hank Rogers
Mar 15, 2019, 10:37:32 PM3/15/19
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Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl
Mar 15, 2019, 10:43:17 PM3/15/19
to
On Sat, 16 Mar 2019 13:02:20 +1100, Bruce <br...@invalid.invalid>
bruce... you do know what a pun is right?
Hank Rogers
Mar 15, 2019, 10:45:09 PM3/15/19
to
sailor never realized that he wasn't sucking a teat.
All he knew was thick white stuff came out, and he swallowed it.
dsi1
Mar 15, 2019, 11:09:39 PM3/15/19
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On Friday, March 15, 2019 at 4:43:17 PM UTC-10,
>
>
> bruce... you do know what a pun is right?
>
> --
>
> ____/~~~sine qua non~~~\____
I was going to make a pun by saying "writhing" instead of "writing" but decided against it. That would be just asking for trouble. I'm getting old so more and more, I'm looking for the path of least resistance. :)
>
> bruce... you do know what a pun is right?
>
> --
>
> ____/~~~sine qua non~~~\____
Bruce
Mar 15, 2019, 11:20:20 PM3/15/19
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Cindy Hamilton
Mar 16, 2019, 6:01:02 AM3/16/19
to
On Friday, March 15, 2019 at 4:38:09 PM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
I now like a hell of a lot more foods than I did when I was a kid, but
not any kind of overcooked (including canned) vegetables. I'm better
about being able to eat things I don't like for the sake of courtesy,
but I still dislike them.
Cindy Hamilton
> On 2019-03-15 3:52 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Friday, March 15, 2019 at 3:33:21 PM UTC-4, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
>
> > On Friday, March 15, 2019 at 3:33:21 PM UTC-4, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
>
> >> Red cabbage was not a dish served in our house when I was a kid, regular
> >> cabbage sure. Even after trying it and you didn't like it they still made
> >> you eat it??
> >
> >> cabbage sure. Even after trying it and you didn't like it they still made
> >> you eat it??
> >
> > My family repeatedly tried to get me to eat peas until I barfed them
> > up on the dining table one night. IIRC I was between 5 and 8 years
> > old at the time, so it's not as if they tried once or twice and allowed
> > me to refrain from eating them.
>
> > up on the dining table one night. IIRC I was between 5 and 8 years
> > old at the time, so it's not as if they tried once or twice and allowed
> > me to refrain from eating them.
>
> You and my brother. He is still complaining about the time he could not
> go out to trick or treat on Halloween because he refused to eat his
> peas. I was not terribly sympathetic. There are some vegetables that
> are pretty strong tasting and unpleasant, but I can't see peas as being
> one of those. I like them. I love fresh peas, snow peas, sugar snap
> peas, frozen peas and even like canned peas.
Fine. Have a nice glass of milk, which I love.
> go out to trick or treat on Halloween because he refused to eat his
> peas. I was not terribly sympathetic. There are some vegetables that
> are pretty strong tasting and unpleasant, but I can't see peas as being
> one of those. I like them. I love fresh peas, snow peas, sugar snap
> peas, frozen peas and even like canned peas.
I now like a hell of a lot more foods than I did when I was a kid, but
not any kind of overcooked (including canned) vegetables. I'm better
about being able to eat things I don't like for the sake of courtesy,
but I still dislike them.
Cindy Hamilton
Cindy Hamilton
Mar 16, 2019, 6:04:18 AM3/16/19
to
On Friday, March 15, 2019 at 6:48:56 PM UTC-4, A Moose in Love wrote:
> On Friday, March 15, 2019 at 3:54:32 PM UTC-4, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Friday, March 15, 2019 at 3:51:19 PM UTC-4, A Moose in Love wrote:
> > > On Friday, March 15, 2019 at 3:33:21 PM UTC-4, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
> > > > On Friday, March 15, 2019 at 2:14:17 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hmm... I remember more than one red cabbage drama. I was gagging and
> > > > > "near death" while I ate it.
> > > > >
> > > > Red cabbage was not a dish served in our house when I was a kid, regular
> > > > cabbage sure. Even after trying it and you didn't like it they still made
> > > > you eat it??
> > >
> > > i hated green bean soup when i was a youngster. so one day i sabotaged it. i squirted a whole bunch of vinegar into it while it was cooking. lol. my folks thought it was funny.
> >
> > Green bean soup?
> >
>
> yes. i also didn't like sour cherry soup, although i liked the home made dumplings in there.
I was hoping for a recipe or description of green bean soup. Many variants
> On Friday, March 15, 2019 at 3:54:32 PM UTC-4, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Friday, March 15, 2019 at 3:51:19 PM UTC-4, A Moose in Love wrote:
> > > On Friday, March 15, 2019 at 3:33:21 PM UTC-4, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
> > > > On Friday, March 15, 2019 at 2:14:17 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hmm... I remember more than one red cabbage drama. I was gagging and
> > > > > "near death" while I ate it.
> > > > >
> > > > Red cabbage was not a dish served in our house when I was a kid, regular
> > > > cabbage sure. Even after trying it and you didn't like it they still made
> > > > you eat it??
> > >
> > > i hated green bean soup when i was a youngster. so one day i sabotaged it. i squirted a whole bunch of vinegar into it while it was cooking. lol. my folks thought it was funny.
> >
> > Green bean soup?
> >
>
> yes. i also didn't like sour cherry soup, although i liked the home made dumplings in there.
turn up when I google "green bean soup recipe", but I'd like to know what
yours was like.
Cindy Hamilton
Ophelia
Mar 16, 2019, 6:49:59 AM3/16/19
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"Bruce" wrote in message news:bb6o8ed8e02oe0hi7...@4ax.com...
Chicory here.
Bruce
Mar 16, 2019, 7:13:03 AM3/16/19
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On Sat, 16 Mar 2019 10:49:11 -0000, "Ophelia" <OphEl...@gmail.com>
wrote:
I've learnt to like it if it's prepared with something to offset the
bitterness, such as cheese/cheese sauce. It's called witlof here (and
in NL too).
wrote:
bitterness, such as cheese/cheese sauce. It's called witlof here (and
in NL too).
Ophelia
Mar 16, 2019, 7:49:52 AM3/16/19
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"Bruce" wrote in message news:8emp8epp61m0gnhl8...@4ax.com...
I never fancied it because I had heard it was bitter.
Gary
Mar 16, 2019, 9:24:53 AM3/16/19
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dsi1 wrote:
>
> Drinking human breast milk seems to be trending.
I agree. Babies worldwide seem to be doing this lately.
>
> Drinking human breast milk seems to be trending.
Don't quit your day job. :)
Speaking of your day job. heheh Do you remember years ago
when I guessed at what you did for a living?
I guessed wrong but did you realize at the time that
I only missed by a couple of inches? ;)
I *almost* won, darnit!
Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl
Mar 16, 2019, 11:59:20 AM3/16/19
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On Sat, 16 Mar 2019 14:20:14 +1100, Bruce <br...@invalid.invalid>
No not exactly....
It is a play on words.
IE. that woman is phat
It is a play on words.
IE. that woman is phat
Bruce
Mar 16, 2019, 2:49:55 PM3/16/19
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On Sat, 16 Mar 2019 10:59:14 -0500,
Close enough.
leno...@yahoo.com
Mar 16, 2019, 3:54:01 PM3/16/19
to
On Friday, March 15, 2019 at 5:31:15 PM UTC-4, Jill McQuown wrote:
> On 3/15/2019 11:50 AM, Gary wrote:
> > lenona wrote:
> >>
> >> Q: "My 5-year-old has had eating issues since he was an infant. When I introduced solid food at six months, he began rejecting most vegetables. His feeding problems have worsened since then to the point, today, where he will eat only breaded chicken strips, Tater Tots, and vanilla ice cream (but only a certain brand).
> >
> > Shame on you for feeding him that.
>
> Note: Leona was quoting from the article she posted. She's not the one
> who fed that to her kid. I don't even know if she *has* a kid. LOL
>
> Jill
Thanks for pointing that out to that lazy reader. (I THOUGHT I'd made it clear, from MY first sentence, that I was quoting, lower down. Obviously, the parent in the column didn't think there was anything ridiculous about the "feeding therapist's" approach.)
No, I don't have a kid. But I enjoy reading Rosemond anyway, because he dares to go against the grain. Also, I don't want to be surrounded by 10-year-old hoodlums when I'm 80.
I recommend giving out his books because even when a parent reads one and thinks "well, duh, this is all just common sense - why do I need it" the answer is "because chances are you're going to be surrounded by parents who DON'T have common sense, so you'll need reminders so as not to become brainwashed."
But I do wish he'd focus more often on individual parents/situations, like this, even if his response is typically the same each time. (Half the time or more, he makes general statements and doesn't talk about individual cases.) He DOES acknowledge that preschoolers, grade-school kids, and teens are all different from each other and must be treated accordingly. As in, you can't micromanage a teen - and kids under three often don't understand a penalty that gets imposed hours later, just as dogs don't, since their memories are so short. But with kids older than that, he says, it's fine to delay a punishment if necessary.
Anyway, he's also said:
"The modern woman wouldn't dream of making her husband a sandwich on command, but she'll jump up and draw a glass of water for an able-bodied 4-year-old."
So, he went on to say, until mothers start demanding that kids work for them and not the other way around, women will never shake their image as a gender that LIKES being enslaved by one age group or another. "What's that I hear? Screaming and gnashing of teeth? Well ladies, all ya gotta do is prove me wrong."
And:
"I don't think parents should be involved with their children. They should be interested and ready to get involved, but involvement should be the exception, not the rule. A HUSBAND AND WIFE SHOULD BE INVOLVED WITH EACH OTHER. And yes, I'm yelling, because all too many of today's parents need to be strapped to chairs and made to listen to a tape loop of the previous sentence blaring over a loudspeaker until they get it."
And:
"Children cannot understand the adult point of view. Furthermore, they aren't really interested. If they were, they wouldn't keep interrupting when we tried to explain our rules to them."
And here's another column, from 2005, on getting kids to eat what they're served (note that the person arguing with him doesn't seem to realize that there's more than one type of respect - namely, just because kids should defer to adults does NOT mean adults should defer to kids):
https://andersonheraldbulletin.newspaperarchive.com/anderson-herald-bulletin/2005-02-28/page-18/
That one has the proper paragraph breaks when you click on "Free to View."
This one, somehow, does not - but it might be easier to access.
http://www.journalreview.com/opinion/article_10e179b0-47f2-5f7d-9813-c0913b382061.html
Note that he's smart enough to make the food portions TINY, so there can be no silly argument about the "dangers" of making kids clean their plates.
And finally:
https://www.courant.com/hc-xpm-2010-06-02-hc-parents-0602-20100602-story.html
"...Leadership is simply the calm, confident conveyance of authority. It is acting like you know what you are doing, the nature of your purpose and what you want. It is not having a consultation with a 4-year-old concerning what foods will grace his plate for dinner. Leadership is not concerned that the child is averse to vegetables. It is concerned with producing a citizen who loves his neighbor enough to accept, graciously, any food the neighbor serves him.
"I recently asked an older friend how his parents caused him to be obedient to their wishes. 'What methods did they use?' I asked. He thought about that for a while and then said, 'They didn't use any methods at all. They simply expected, and their expectations were clear.'
"Note that my friend's parents didn't plead, bargain, bribe, cajole, reason, explain or threaten. They simply expected. With the one hand, they loved; with the other, they led. And each of the two hands knew what the other was doing."
(end of column)
Lenona.
> On 3/15/2019 11:50 AM, Gary wrote:
> > lenona wrote:
> >>
> >> Q: "My 5-year-old has had eating issues since he was an infant. When I introduced solid food at six months, he began rejecting most vegetables. His feeding problems have worsened since then to the point, today, where he will eat only breaded chicken strips, Tater Tots, and vanilla ice cream (but only a certain brand).
> >
> > Shame on you for feeding him that.
>
> Note: Leona was quoting from the article she posted. She's not the one
> who fed that to her kid. I don't even know if she *has* a kid. LOL
>
> Jill
Thanks for pointing that out to that lazy reader. (I THOUGHT I'd made it clear, from MY first sentence, that I was quoting, lower down. Obviously, the parent in the column didn't think there was anything ridiculous about the "feeding therapist's" approach.)
No, I don't have a kid. But I enjoy reading Rosemond anyway, because he dares to go against the grain. Also, I don't want to be surrounded by 10-year-old hoodlums when I'm 80.
I recommend giving out his books because even when a parent reads one and thinks "well, duh, this is all just common sense - why do I need it" the answer is "because chances are you're going to be surrounded by parents who DON'T have common sense, so you'll need reminders so as not to become brainwashed."
But I do wish he'd focus more often on individual parents/situations, like this, even if his response is typically the same each time. (Half the time or more, he makes general statements and doesn't talk about individual cases.) He DOES acknowledge that preschoolers, grade-school kids, and teens are all different from each other and must be treated accordingly. As in, you can't micromanage a teen - and kids under three often don't understand a penalty that gets imposed hours later, just as dogs don't, since their memories are so short. But with kids older than that, he says, it's fine to delay a punishment if necessary.
Anyway, he's also said:
"The modern woman wouldn't dream of making her husband a sandwich on command, but she'll jump up and draw a glass of water for an able-bodied 4-year-old."
So, he went on to say, until mothers start demanding that kids work for them and not the other way around, women will never shake their image as a gender that LIKES being enslaved by one age group or another. "What's that I hear? Screaming and gnashing of teeth? Well ladies, all ya gotta do is prove me wrong."
And:
"I don't think parents should be involved with their children. They should be interested and ready to get involved, but involvement should be the exception, not the rule. A HUSBAND AND WIFE SHOULD BE INVOLVED WITH EACH OTHER. And yes, I'm yelling, because all too many of today's parents need to be strapped to chairs and made to listen to a tape loop of the previous sentence blaring over a loudspeaker until they get it."
And:
"Children cannot understand the adult point of view. Furthermore, they aren't really interested. If they were, they wouldn't keep interrupting when we tried to explain our rules to them."
And here's another column, from 2005, on getting kids to eat what they're served (note that the person arguing with him doesn't seem to realize that there's more than one type of respect - namely, just because kids should defer to adults does NOT mean adults should defer to kids):
https://andersonheraldbulletin.newspaperarchive.com/anderson-herald-bulletin/2005-02-28/page-18/
That one has the proper paragraph breaks when you click on "Free to View."
This one, somehow, does not - but it might be easier to access.
http://www.journalreview.com/opinion/article_10e179b0-47f2-5f7d-9813-c0913b382061.html
Note that he's smart enough to make the food portions TINY, so there can be no silly argument about the "dangers" of making kids clean their plates.
And finally:
https://www.courant.com/hc-xpm-2010-06-02-hc-parents-0602-20100602-story.html
"...Leadership is simply the calm, confident conveyance of authority. It is acting like you know what you are doing, the nature of your purpose and what you want. It is not having a consultation with a 4-year-old concerning what foods will grace his plate for dinner. Leadership is not concerned that the child is averse to vegetables. It is concerned with producing a citizen who loves his neighbor enough to accept, graciously, any food the neighbor serves him.
"I recently asked an older friend how his parents caused him to be obedient to their wishes. 'What methods did they use?' I asked. He thought about that for a while and then said, 'They didn't use any methods at all. They simply expected, and their expectations were clear.'
"Note that my friend's parents didn't plead, bargain, bribe, cajole, reason, explain or threaten. They simply expected. With the one hand, they loved; with the other, they led. And each of the two hands knew what the other was doing."
(end of column)
Lenona.
lucreti...@fl.it
Mar 17, 2019, 3:09:51 PM3/17/19
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On Sun, 17 Mar 2019 19:00:32 GMT, Pamela <pamela...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>Many of today's kids are great but they have lost so much initiative.
>They have become risk averse, live at home longer, mature later, are weak
>students, and feel entitled to an easy life.
>
>One of my relatives is learning to drive. Our stick shifts may be harder
>than automatics but he's had 50 lessons and thinks he still needs more
>before he takes his first driving test.
>
>I know there's lots of dubious stories about people who learned to drive
>in 3 lessons, so I won't go into how many lessons we would need, but 50
>plus for a normal 19 year old is ridiculous. He could have probably
>managed it easily in far less than half.
My father taught me, I was 12 and he taught me so I could drive my
mother around Tokyo as she was not a confident driver. Being a British
citizen the MP's (who were then Occupational Forces) could not touch
me :)
wrote:
>They have become risk averse, live at home longer, mature later, are weak
>students, and feel entitled to an easy life.
>
>One of my relatives is learning to drive. Our stick shifts may be harder
>than automatics but he's had 50 lessons and thinks he still needs more
>before he takes his first driving test.
>
>I know there's lots of dubious stories about people who learned to drive
>in 3 lessons, so I won't go into how many lessons we would need, but 50
>plus for a normal 19 year old is ridiculous. He could have probably
>managed it easily in far less than half.
My father taught me, I was 12 and he taught me so I could drive my
mother around Tokyo as she was not a confident driver. Being a British
citizen the MP's (who were then Occupational Forces) could not touch
me :)
Ed Pawlowski
Mar 17, 2019, 3:55:19 PM3/17/19
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On 3/17/2019 3:00 PM, Pamela wrote:
> One of my relatives is learning to drive. Our stick shifts may be harder
> than automatics but he's had 50 lessons and thinks he still needs more
> before he takes his first driving test.
>
> I know there's lots of dubious stories about people who learned to drive
> in 3 lessons, so I won't go into how many lessons we would need, but 50
> plus for a normal 19 year old is ridiculous. He could have probably
> managed it easily in far less than half.
>
When we were about driving age (16) we had experience in parking lots
> One of my relatives is learning to drive. Our stick shifts may be harder
> than automatics but he's had 50 lessons and thinks he still needs more
> before he takes his first driving test.
>
> I know there's lots of dubious stories about people who learned to drive
> in 3 lessons, so I won't go into how many lessons we would need, but 50
> plus for a normal 19 year old is ridiculous. He could have probably
> managed it easily in far less than half.
>
and maybe even streets. Driving was a big deal for us. Within a couple
of weeks of our birthday we had our license. Never had formal lessons
from a school, it was parents, older brothers, etc.
Kids today seem to have much less desire to drive and would rather have
a new phone than a car. You are right about doing things later. When I
was 20, I was on my second car, bought a house, got married.
itsjoan...@webtv.net
Mar 17, 2019, 4:21:27 PM3/17/19
to
On Sunday, March 17, 2019 at 2:09:51 PM UTC-5, lucreti...@fl.it wrote:
>
> >One of my relatives is learning to drive. Our stick shifts may be harder
> >than automatics but he's had 50 lessons and thinks he still needs more
> >before he takes his first driving test.
> >
FIFTY LESSONS?!?!?! If he's had that many lessons and still hasn't mastered
>
> >One of my relatives is learning to drive. Our stick shifts may be harder
> >than automatics but he's had 50 lessons and thinks he still needs more
> >before he takes his first driving test.
> >
driving, stick shift or automatic, then he has no business behind the wheel.
Does he have a learning or mental disability??
Dave Smith
Mar 17, 2019, 4:29:34 PM3/17/19
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On 2019-03-17 3:09 p.m., lucreti...@fl.it wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Mar 2019 19:00:32 GMT, Pamela <pamela...@gmail.com>
> On Sun, 17 Mar 2019 19:00:32 GMT, Pamela <pamela...@gmail.com>
>> I know there's lots of dubious stories about people who learned to drive
>> in 3 lessons, so I won't go into how many lessons we would need, but 50
>> plus for a normal 19 year old is ridiculous. He could have probably
>> managed it easily in far less than half.
>
> My father taught me, I was 12 and he taught me so I could drive my
> mother around Tokyo as she was not a confident driver. Being a British
> citizen the MP's (who were then Occupational Forces) could not touch
> me :)
>
Lessons??? I had a friend who lived on a farm and we drove vehicles
>> in 3 lessons, so I won't go into how many lessons we would need, but 50
>> plus for a normal 19 year old is ridiculous. He could have probably
>> managed it easily in far less than half.
>
> My father taught me, I was 12 and he taught me so I could drive my
> mother around Tokyo as she was not a confident driver. Being a British
> citizen the MP's (who were then Occupational Forces) could not touch
> me :)
>
around the farm. I was not allowed to get my license right away when I
turned 16. That was the punishment for having been caught driving my
brother's car underage and without a license. I signed up for the
reserves when I was 16 and we had driver training of sorts. We teamed up
with other guys and drove around in the training area. One of the roads
was paved and the others were dirt, and we did a lot of cross country.
Those military vehicles could take a pounding. When my parents let me
get my license I went down, wrote the test, got my beginners permit and
booked a test for the next week and passed.
Dave Smith
Mar 17, 2019, 4:36:39 PM3/17/19
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understood why, since we live in a rural area. I pushed him to get it
because the government was introducing their graduated licensing system
and it would have been a much more involved and more expensive process.
One nephew did not get his license until he was over 30. He has his
license now but rarely drives. He would rather be a passenger than the
driver.
graham
Mar 17, 2019, 4:39:16 PM3/17/19
to
On 2019-03-17 1:04 p.m., Pamela wrote:
> On 20:21 15 Mar 2019, "Julie Bove" <juli...@frontier.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Gary" <g.ma...@att.net> wrote in message
>> news:5C8BC9A8...@att.net...
>>> cream.
>>> Vary what you cook and offer him - but don't offer cheap
>>> alternatives.
>>> No ice cream unless he eats good food first. That can be a reward
>>> for
>>> eating the other good stuff.
>>>
>>> Your little boy is playing you and if you don't stop that now,
>>> heaven help you when he turns into an annoying teenager. So many
>>> parents these days have forgotten good child rearing. Being a
>>> good parent doesn't mean always making them happy. A good parent
>>> also has to be "the rat" at times. Many times, actually.
>>>
>>> No little kid has ever starved to death just because they don't
>>> get what they want.
>>> You feed them just what the rest of the family eats and they can
>>> skip it if they want to (and go hungry until the next meal.) That
>>> won't last long.
>>>
>>> I've raised 2 girls from scratch. ;)
>>> My one rule for a new food was:
>>> Just take one bite. If you still don't like it,
>>> I won't serve it to you again.
>>>
>>> More than half the time, they liked that one bite that they
>>> previously refused to eat.
>>>
>>> Don't ever cater to your kids with food. Everyone in the family
>>> should get the same meals. Don't take orders from each like Julie
>>> did. You are NOT running a restaurant.
>>
>> This is something that I always say to a parent of a picky eater who
>> only eats junk food. Why did you give them the junk to begin with? It's
>> a common scenario. Such parents often seem to freak out when the kid
>> won't eat and just keep offering them anything and everything until they
>> find something the kid will eat. It's as though they think the kid will
>> starve if they don't eat something right then and there, the kid will
>> starve to death, immediately.
>>
>> One example is a boy I will refer to as J. His parents had a potluck. I
>> brought a huge pan of lasagna. I put lots of vegetables in the sauce,
>> taking time to make it smooth with my immersion blender. Reason being,
>> my one friend has two boys and they would not eat vegetables.Past
>> experience taught me that her boys would eat the vegetables if they
>> could not see obvious chunks of them.
>>
>> We were all happily eating when J's dad saw a chunk of onion on his own
>> plate. A chunk that my immersion blender missed. Dad screamed loudly.
>> OMG! Is that an onion? J doesn't eat onions! J looked terrified, dropped
>> his fork and refused to eat anything.
>>
>> All eyes were on J now. J's mom ran to comfort him. She herself was in a
>> panic, telling the others that J didn't eat enough. She then tried to
>> turn the eating into a game, telling him that he could get up and play
>> if he would eat 5 bites of food. Did not matter what that food was. Just
>> 5 bites. J bolted in fear. Time and time again, he was brought back to
>> his chair to be given a spanking for not eating. Others joined in,
>> trying to encourage him to eat.
>>
>> This went on for at least an hour with most of the adults acting like it
>> was a life and death situation if J didn't take those 5 bites. All the
>> while, J was attempting to soothe himself with juice box after juice
>> box. I think he likely filled up on juice and was too full to eat!
>>
>> They also gave J unlimited access to cans of regular Sprite, bought him
>> ice cream when the ice cream truck rolled around, and gave him candy and
>> cookies throughout the day. No wonder he didn't want to eat dinner!
>>
>> When we lived in NY, it was always somebody's birthday or there was some
>> other reason to celebrate at school or dance. Out came the juice boxes,
>> donut holes, cupcakes, cookies, candy, you name it. And they tried to
>> force the kids to eat a crappy, junk breakfast even if they'd already
>> eaten at home.
>>
>> People would tell me that I was being mean to Angela because I didn't
>> allow her to have juice, regular soda or most sweets. And yet? She was
>> much less picky about food than her friends. As a child, she would not
>> eat fries or chicken strips but she would eat salad, chili or a pork
>> chop.
>
> Interesting account. Nice narrative style.
>
Cue for Dave to post: "But she is a writer!"
> On 20:21 15 Mar 2019, "Julie Bove" <juli...@frontier.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Gary" <g.ma...@att.net> wrote in message
>> news:5C8BC9A8...@att.net...
>>> leno...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Q: "My 5-year-old has had eating issues since he was an infant. When I
>>>> introduced solid food at six months, he began rejecting most
>>>> vegetables. His feeding problems have worsened since then to the
>>>> point, today, where he will eat only breaded chicken strips, Tater
>>>> Tots, and vanilla ice cream (but only a certain brand).
>>>
>>> Shame on you for feeding him that.
>>> Offer him real cooked chicken, real cooked potatoes and no ice
>>>>
>>>> Q: "My 5-year-old has had eating issues since he was an infant. When I
>>>> introduced solid food at six months, he began rejecting most
>>>> vegetables. His feeding problems have worsened since then to the
>>>> point, today, where he will eat only breaded chicken strips, Tater
>>>> Tots, and vanilla ice cream (but only a certain brand).
>>>
>>> Shame on you for feeding him that.
>>> cream.
>>> Vary what you cook and offer him - but don't offer cheap
>>> alternatives.
>>> No ice cream unless he eats good food first. That can be a reward
>>> for
>>> eating the other good stuff.
>>>
>>> Your little boy is playing you and if you don't stop that now,
>>> heaven help you when he turns into an annoying teenager. So many
>>> parents these days have forgotten good child rearing. Being a
>>> good parent doesn't mean always making them happy. A good parent
>>> also has to be "the rat" at times. Many times, actually.
>>>
>>> No little kid has ever starved to death just because they don't
>>> get what they want.
>>> You feed them just what the rest of the family eats and they can
>>> skip it if they want to (and go hungry until the next meal.) That
>>> won't last long.
>>>
>>> I've raised 2 girls from scratch. ;)
>>> My one rule for a new food was:
>>> Just take one bite. If you still don't like it,
>>> I won't serve it to you again.
>>>
>>> More than half the time, they liked that one bite that they
>>> previously refused to eat.
>>>
>>> Don't ever cater to your kids with food. Everyone in the family
>>> should get the same meals. Don't take orders from each like Julie
>>> did. You are NOT running a restaurant.
>>
>> This is something that I always say to a parent of a picky eater who
>> only eats junk food. Why did you give them the junk to begin with? It's
>> a common scenario. Such parents often seem to freak out when the kid
>> won't eat and just keep offering them anything and everything until they
>> find something the kid will eat. It's as though they think the kid will
>> starve if they don't eat something right then and there, the kid will
>> starve to death, immediately.
>>
>> One example is a boy I will refer to as J. His parents had a potluck. I
>> brought a huge pan of lasagna. I put lots of vegetables in the sauce,
>> taking time to make it smooth with my immersion blender. Reason being,
>> my one friend has two boys and they would not eat vegetables.Past
>> experience taught me that her boys would eat the vegetables if they
>> could not see obvious chunks of them.
>>
>> We were all happily eating when J's dad saw a chunk of onion on his own
>> plate. A chunk that my immersion blender missed. Dad screamed loudly.
>> OMG! Is that an onion? J doesn't eat onions! J looked terrified, dropped
>> his fork and refused to eat anything.
>>
>> All eyes were on J now. J's mom ran to comfort him. She herself was in a
>> panic, telling the others that J didn't eat enough. She then tried to
>> turn the eating into a game, telling him that he could get up and play
>> if he would eat 5 bites of food. Did not matter what that food was. Just
>> 5 bites. J bolted in fear. Time and time again, he was brought back to
>> his chair to be given a spanking for not eating. Others joined in,
>> trying to encourage him to eat.
>>
>> This went on for at least an hour with most of the adults acting like it
>> was a life and death situation if J didn't take those 5 bites. All the
>> while, J was attempting to soothe himself with juice box after juice
>> box. I think he likely filled up on juice and was too full to eat!
>>
>> They also gave J unlimited access to cans of regular Sprite, bought him
>> ice cream when the ice cream truck rolled around, and gave him candy and
>> cookies throughout the day. No wonder he didn't want to eat dinner!
>>
>> When we lived in NY, it was always somebody's birthday or there was some
>> other reason to celebrate at school or dance. Out came the juice boxes,
>> donut holes, cupcakes, cookies, candy, you name it. And they tried to
>> force the kids to eat a crappy, junk breakfast even if they'd already
>> eaten at home.
>>
>> People would tell me that I was being mean to Angela because I didn't
>> allow her to have juice, regular soda or most sweets. And yet? She was
>> much less picky about food than her friends. As a child, she would not
>> eat fries or chicken strips but she would eat salad, chili or a pork
>> chop.
>
> Interesting account. Nice narrative style.
>
Cue for Dave to post: "But she is a writer!"
Dave Smith
Mar 17, 2019, 4:45:18 PM3/17/19
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for someone else to do my dirty work.
Bruce
Mar 17, 2019, 4:55:54 PM3/17/19
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adding one line.
Ophelia
Mar 17, 2019, 5:04:31 PM3/17/19
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"Bruce" wrote in message news:n1dt8el096o4i8hu7...@4ax.com...
;)
lucreti...@fl.it
Mar 17, 2019, 5:24:04 PM3/17/19
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lucreti...@fl.it
Mar 17, 2019, 5:24:09 PM3/17/19
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playing outside and roughing it because of 'strangers in vans' does
not give kids the learning experience we had, right down to being told
to 'deal with it yourself' if you complained about a bully. Those
so-called rough childhoods were the learning experience, practice, for
grown up life.
graham
Mar 17, 2019, 5:24:52 PM3/17/19
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Dave Smith
Mar 17, 2019, 6:17:20 PM3/17/19
to
On 2019-03-17 5:11 p.m., Pamela wrote
> That's the annoying thing because he's perfectly capable in all respects. I
> think this marathon learning process must be some sort of new norm learned
> from his peers.
>
> He's probably also a bit worried he might fail and that would show him in a
> bad light but he needs to balance that pride against the ridiculous cost he's
> incurring.
I wonder about the effect of modern grading. Everyone passes in school.
They get participation awards for showing up. Imagine the stress they
have to face in a driving test where they might actually fail.
> That's the annoying thing because he's perfectly capable in all respects. I
> think this marathon learning process must be some sort of new norm learned
> from his peers.
>
> He's probably also a bit worried he might fail and that would show him in a
> bad light but he needs to balance that pride against the ridiculous cost he's
> incurring.
I wonder about the effect of modern grading. Everyone passes in school.
They get participation awards for showing up. Imagine the stress they
have to face in a driving test where they might actually fail.
itsjoan...@webtv.net
Mar 17, 2019, 8:53:52 PM3/17/19
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lessons to learn to drive a stick shift and still was comfortable with
their skills.
(Joan, who learned to drive a stick shift on the column car.)
Dave Smith
Mar 17, 2019, 9:21:58 PM3/17/19
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On 2019-03-17 8:53 p.m., itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
> Ok, sorry about that. I guess I was so stunned that anyone would need 50
> lessons to learn to drive a stick shift and still was comfortable with
> their skills.
>
> (Joan, who learned to drive a stick shift on the column car.)
>
Three on the tree.
> Ok, sorry about that. I guess I was so stunned that anyone would need 50
> lessons to learn to drive a stick shift and still was comfortable with
> their skills.
>
> (Joan, who learned to drive a stick shift on the column car.)
>
JBurns
Mar 17, 2019, 10:41:31 PM3/17/19
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On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 03:10:10 -0700, "Julie Bove"
<juli...@frontier.com> wrote:
>
><leno...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:2d973fc9-65af-4d5a...@googlegroups.com...
>Does the following situation sound ridiculous? It should. If it doesn't,
>chances are you'll be a bit shocked by the psychologist/columnist's
>response.
>
>Hint: A lot of people hate him, in part because no one can prove that his
>advice over the last 43 years (he's 71) has done any HARM to any young
>person, but mainly because he keeps helping parents to solve relatively
>simple problems with solutions that don't cost any money - like seeing
>therapists when it isn't really necessary.
>
>
>https://www.herald-dispatch.com/features_entertainment/john-rosemond-early-bedtime-therapy-for-feeding-issues/article_eea17eb5-4142-533f-bd79-76cf90ce0e5a.html
>but made no appreciable progress. She said he has a form of sensory
>integration disorder, which she explained as his brain is wired such that
>foods don't taste to him the way they taste to most people. So, even certain
>sweet foods taste bitter to him, for example, and he will gag and even throw
>up at the mere sight of them. In addition, he reacts negatively to certain
>textures. My mom says I was a picky eater, so he apparently inherited a
>tendency in this direction from me. I'm grasping at straws here, but do you
>have any suggestions?"
>---
>
>Highly doubt that would work. I have been in picky eating groups for adults.
>They generally don't consider me one of them as I eat far more foods and
>different foods than they do.
>
>Almost all people in the group eat chicken strips or nuggets but often only
>one brand or from one restaurant. Almost all will eat at least one form of
>potato with fries being most common. Some will eat pasta but it's usually
>limited to mac and cheese, Alfredo or just plain pasta. Most will not eat
>rice. Most will eat ice cream but again usually one flavor and sometimes one
>brand. Most will eat pizza. Usually plain cheese with little to no sauce.
>Most will eat rolls/bread, but almost always white. Most will eat at least
>some form of sweets in addition to the ice cream. Most will not eat fruit
>and hardly anyone will eat vegetables. Oddly enough if they do eat one, it's
>almost always broccoli.
>
>These people work a variety of shifts. Going to bed early isn't going to
>help.
You have missed the point completely. This is about retraining a child
whose picky eating has been reinforced by his parents only giving him
what he wants.
Most children who are extreme picky eaters do not have medical
disorders. It is a preference that becomes a bad habit.
His (the doctor) solution is along the lines of being sent to bed
without dinner. Children soon learn to stop behaviours that gain them
nothing.
JB
<juli...@frontier.com> wrote:
>
><leno...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:2d973fc9-65af-4d5a...@googlegroups.com...
>Does the following situation sound ridiculous? It should. If it doesn't,
>chances are you'll be a bit shocked by the psychologist/columnist's
>response.
>
>Hint: A lot of people hate him, in part because no one can prove that his
>advice over the last 43 years (he's 71) has done any HARM to any young
>person, but mainly because he keeps helping parents to solve relatively
>simple problems with solutions that don't cost any money - like seeing
>therapists when it isn't really necessary.
>
>
>https://www.herald-dispatch.com/features_entertainment/john-rosemond-early-bedtime-therapy-for-feeding-issues/article_eea17eb5-4142-533f-bd79-76cf90ce0e5a.html
>
>Q: "My 5-year-old has had eating issues since he was an infant. When I
>introduced solid food at six months, he began rejecting most vegetables. His
>feeding problems have worsened since then to the point, today, where he will
>eat only breaded chicken strips, Tater Tots, and vanilla ice cream (but only
>a certain brand). We worked with a feeding therapist for about six months
>Q: "My 5-year-old has had eating issues since he was an infant. When I
>introduced solid food at six months, he began rejecting most vegetables. His
>feeding problems have worsened since then to the point, today, where he will
>eat only breaded chicken strips, Tater Tots, and vanilla ice cream (but only
>but made no appreciable progress. She said he has a form of sensory
>integration disorder, which she explained as his brain is wired such that
>foods don't taste to him the way they taste to most people. So, even certain
>sweet foods taste bitter to him, for example, and he will gag and even throw
>up at the mere sight of them. In addition, he reacts negatively to certain
>textures. My mom says I was a picky eater, so he apparently inherited a
>tendency in this direction from me. I'm grasping at straws here, but do you
>have any suggestions?"
>---
>
>Highly doubt that would work. I have been in picky eating groups for adults.
>They generally don't consider me one of them as I eat far more foods and
>different foods than they do.
>
>Almost all people in the group eat chicken strips or nuggets but often only
>one brand or from one restaurant. Almost all will eat at least one form of
>potato with fries being most common. Some will eat pasta but it's usually
>limited to mac and cheese, Alfredo or just plain pasta. Most will not eat
>rice. Most will eat ice cream but again usually one flavor and sometimes one
>brand. Most will eat pizza. Usually plain cheese with little to no sauce.
>Most will eat rolls/bread, but almost always white. Most will eat at least
>some form of sweets in addition to the ice cream. Most will not eat fruit
>and hardly anyone will eat vegetables. Oddly enough if they do eat one, it's
>almost always broccoli.
>
>These people work a variety of shifts. Going to bed early isn't going to
>help.
You have missed the point completely. This is about retraining a child
whose picky eating has been reinforced by his parents only giving him
what he wants.
Most children who are extreme picky eaters do not have medical
disorders. It is a preference that becomes a bad habit.
His (the doctor) solution is along the lines of being sent to bed
without dinner. Children soon learn to stop behaviours that gain them
nothing.
JB
JBurns
Mar 17, 2019, 10:44:47 PM3/17/19
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On Sat, 16 Mar 2019 06:14:11 +1100, Bruce <br...@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
>On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 11:57:37 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
><itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>
>>On Friday, March 15, 2019 at 1:40:08 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>>> years I do a test to see if I still don't like bourbon. You never
>>> know.
>>>
>>That was the rule in our house when I was a kid. No whining and pouting and
>>declaring you didn't like something just for the sake of getting your way.
>>O-n-e taste only and if you truly didn't like it, no more was served to you.
now, but you can take those brussel sprouts and... well you know.
JB
wrote:
>On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 11:57:37 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
><itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>
>>On Friday, March 15, 2019 at 1:40:08 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>>>
>>> On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 10:50:01 -0500, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> >I've raised 2 girls from scratch. ;)
>>> >My one rule for a new food was:
>>> >Just take one bite. If you still don't like it,
>>> >I won't serve it to you again.
>>>
>>> And try again in a few years time. Tastes change. Once every couple of
>>> On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 10:50:01 -0500, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> >I've raised 2 girls from scratch. ;)
>>> >My one rule for a new food was:
>>> >Just take one bite. If you still don't like it,
>>> >I won't serve it to you again.
>>>
>>> years I do a test to see if I still don't like bourbon. You never
>>> know.
>>>
>>That was the rule in our house when I was a kid. No whining and pouting and
>>declaring you didn't like something just for the sake of getting your way.
>>O-n-e taste only and if you truly didn't like it, no more was served to you.
>
>Hmm... I remember more than one red cabbage drama. I was gagging and
>"near death" while I ate it.
Brussel sprouts and cauliflower here. Cauli made me gag. I love it
>Hmm... I remember more than one red cabbage drama. I was gagging and
>"near death" while I ate it.
now, but you can take those brussel sprouts and... well you know.
JB
Bruce
Mar 17, 2019, 10:48:42 PM3/17/19
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On Mon, 18 Mar 2019 10:41:26 +0800, JBurns <jpb...@westnet.com.au>
wrote:
This message was brought to you by Mother Superior from Stalag 14.
wrote:
Bruce
Mar 17, 2019, 11:01:54 PM3/17/19
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On Mon, 18 Mar 2019 10:44:46 +0800, JBurns <jpb...@westnet.com.au>
wrote:
I like them when they're not undercooked and accompanied by something
that offsets them, like bacon, I mean onion, garlic, chestnuts.
wrote:
that offsets them, like bacon, I mean onion, garlic, chestnuts.
Ophelia
Mar 18, 2019, 4:54:54 AM3/18/19
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"JBurns" wrote in message
news:ke1u8elike305oht1...@4ax.com...
I am with you on the Brussels Sprouts ... Bleaghhh :)
Julie Bove
Mar 18, 2019, 7:05:27 AM3/18/19
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"JBurns" <jpb...@westnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:dt0u8edvtgs6c1ri3...@4ax.com...
don't like.
A Moose in Love
Mar 18, 2019, 8:38:31 AM3/18/19
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Gary
Mar 18, 2019, 9:12:22 AM3/18/19
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Julie Bove wrote:
enough. You are a self-admitted 'princess' and always spoiled.
Try going 20 days without food and you'll eat your gardener's
puppies raw. ;)
>
> "JBurns" wrote:
> > His (the doctor) solution is along the lines of being sent to bed
> > without dinner. Children soon learn to stop behaviours that gain them
> > nothing.
>
> That would never work for me. I'll go hungry before I'll eat something I
> don't like.
Julie, it would work for anyone. You've just never been hungry
> "JBurns" wrote:
> > His (the doctor) solution is along the lines of being sent to bed
> > without dinner. Children soon learn to stop behaviours that gain them
> > nothing.
>
> That would never work for me. I'll go hungry before I'll eat something I
> don't like.
enough. You are a self-admitted 'princess' and always spoiled.
Try going 20 days without food and you'll eat your gardener's
puppies raw. ;)
A Moose in Love
Mar 18, 2019, 9:16:23 AM3/18/19
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Julie Bove
Mar 18, 2019, 9:32:11 AM3/18/19
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"Gary" <g.ma...@att.net> wrote in message news:5C8FA736...@att.net...
I actually went for about three weeks without eating. Came close to death.
Wasn't fun. Had severe stomach issues at the time.
Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl
Mar 18, 2019, 9:32:32 AM3/18/19
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On Mon, 18 Mar 2019 13:48:35 +1100, Bruce <br...@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
what none of these people realize is that a child's pickiness is
brought on by the stupidity of the parents. When they eat something
and make a face or say yuck or pretty much anything they are teaching
that child to be prejudice against certain foods. Also a child's taste
buds are going to be way way different than an adults.
--
____/~~~sine qua non~~~\____
wrote:
brought on by the stupidity of the parents. When they eat something
and make a face or say yuck or pretty much anything they are teaching
that child to be prejudice against certain foods. Also a child's taste
buds are going to be way way different than an adults.
--
____/~~~sine qua non~~~\____
Gary
Mar 18, 2019, 11:53:46 AM3/18/19
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Julie Bove wrote:
>
> I actually went for about three weeks without eating. Came close to death.
No doubt but why didn't you eat for 3 weeks?
>
> I actually went for about three weeks without eating. Came close to death.
Gary
Mar 18, 2019, 1:40:32 PM3/18/19
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A Moose in Love wrote:
Wasn't it you that suggested 2 books years ago about life in
Germany and nearby countries AFTER the war had ended? I got both
from the library and read them.
Horrible, evil conditions. The winners did NOT treat the German
people nice at all. Especially the Russians but the US was also
mean as hell. Anyway, good informative books to read (I don't
remember titles now). History classes in the USA conveniently
skip over all those times. They only talk about how evil the
Nazi's were but don't mention how evil the "allies" were in the
aftermath.
Everyone should always get to learn full stories of every event.
All history should be told, not killfile certain things just to
suit your needs. Hi there, O! :)
>
> Gary wrote:
> > Try going 20 days without food and you'll eat your gardener's
> > puppies raw. ;)
>
> hunger drives people mad. my grandfather was a pow in hungary. the guards would make the inmates go hungry for quite some time. then they threw live dogs into the camp. the pow's would tear them apart live and eat them. i've heard similar stories concerning post ww2 in budapest. people hacking off horsemeat when the animal wasn't even dead yet. i don't think i could do those things?
One would think...do a quick kill of the animal first.
> Gary wrote:
> > Try going 20 days without food and you'll eat your gardener's
> > puppies raw. ;)
>
> hunger drives people mad. my grandfather was a pow in hungary. the guards would make the inmates go hungry for quite some time. then they threw live dogs into the camp. the pow's would tear them apart live and eat them. i've heard similar stories concerning post ww2 in budapest. people hacking off horsemeat when the animal wasn't even dead yet. i don't think i could do those things?
Wasn't it you that suggested 2 books years ago about life in
Germany and nearby countries AFTER the war had ended? I got both
from the library and read them.
Horrible, evil conditions. The winners did NOT treat the German
people nice at all. Especially the Russians but the US was also
mean as hell. Anyway, good informative books to read (I don't
remember titles now). History classes in the USA conveniently
skip over all those times. They only talk about how evil the
Nazi's were but don't mention how evil the "allies" were in the
aftermath.
Everyone should always get to learn full stories of every event.
All history should be told, not killfile certain things just to
suit your needs. Hi there, O! :)
A Moose in Love
Mar 18, 2019, 2:13:33 PM3/18/19
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After the Reich: The Brutal History Of the Allied Occupation Paperback – Feb 23 2009
by Giles MacDonogh (Author)
i may have suggested 'other losses' although that book has been discredited.
maybe james bacque the author inflated the number of german pow's murdered. maybe not. but one fact i know is that an uncle of mine suffered in the american camps big time.
i had an aunt who being an ethnic german girl was dragged by stalin's forces into the ukraine to work the coal mines. she was put into the 'death room' because she was dying. she survived. she passed about 10 years ago. many other ethnic german girls shared her fate under the stalinist regime.
GM
Mar 18, 2019, 2:15:16 PM3/18/19
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Gary wrote:
> A Moose in Love wrote:
> >
> > Gary wrote:
> > > Try going 20 days without food and you'll eat your gardener's
> > > puppies raw. ;)
> >
> > hunger drives people mad. my grandfather was a pow in hungary. the guards would make the inmates go hungry for quite some time. then they threw live dogs into the camp. the pow's would tear them apart live and eat them. i've heard similar stories concerning post ww2 in budapest. people hacking off horsemeat when the animal wasn't even dead yet. i don't think i could do those things?
>
> One would think...do a quick kill of the animal first.
> Wasn't it you that suggested 2 books years ago about life in
> Germany and nearby countries AFTER the war had ended? I got both
> from the library and read them.
>
> Horrible, evil conditions. The winners did NOT treat the German
> people nice at all. Especially the Russians but the US was also
> mean as hell. Anyway, good informative books to read (I don't
> remember titles now). History classes in the USA conveniently
> skip over all those times. They only talk about how evil the
> Nazi's were but don't mention how evil the "allies" were in the
> aftermath.
Here ya go:
> A Moose in Love wrote:
> >
> > Gary wrote:
> > > Try going 20 days without food and you'll eat your gardener's
> > > puppies raw. ;)
> >
> > hunger drives people mad. my grandfather was a pow in hungary. the guards would make the inmates go hungry for quite some time. then they threw live dogs into the camp. the pow's would tear them apart live and eat them. i've heard similar stories concerning post ww2 in budapest. people hacking off horsemeat when the animal wasn't even dead yet. i don't think i could do those things?
>
> One would think...do a quick kill of the animal first.
> Wasn't it you that suggested 2 books years ago about life in
> Germany and nearby countries AFTER the war had ended? I got both
> from the library and read them.
>
> Horrible, evil conditions. The winners did NOT treat the German
> people nice at all. Especially the Russians but the US was also
> mean as hell. Anyway, good informative books to read (I don't
> remember titles now). History classes in the USA conveniently
> skip over all those times. They only talk about how evil the
> Nazi's were but don't mention how evil the "allies" were in the
> aftermath.
https://archive.org/details/AfterTheReichTheBrutalHistoryOfTheAlliedOccupation
After The Reich – The Brutal History Of The Allied Occupation
by Giles MacDonogh
Publication date 2009
Topics World War II, Genocide, Allied War Crimes, War Crimes, genealogy
Collection opensource
Language English
"When Hitler’s government collapsed in 1945, Germany was immediately divided up under the control of the Allied Powers and the Soviets. A nation in tatters, in many places literally flattened by bombs, was suddenly subjected to brutal occupation by vengeful victors. According to recent estimates, as many as two million German women were raped by Soviet occupiers. General Eisenhower denied the Germans access to any foreign aid, meaning that German civilians were forced to subsist on about 1,200 calories a day. (American officials privately acknowledged at the time that the death rate amongst adults had risen to four times the pre-war levels; child mortality had increased tenfold). With the authorization of President Franklin Delano Roosevelt, over four million Germans were impressed into forced labor. General George S. Patton was so disgusted by American policy in post-war Germany that he commented in his diary, “It is amusing to recall that we fought the revolution in defense of the rights of man and the civil war to abolish slavery and have now gone back on both principles."
Although an astonishing 2.5 million ordinary Germans were killed in the post-Reich era, few know of this traumatic history. There has been an unspoken understanding amongst historians that the Germans effectively got what they deserved as perpetrators of the Holocaust. First ashamed of their national humiliation at the hands of the Allies and Soviets, and later ashamed of the horrors of the Holocaust, Germans too have remained largely silent – a silence W.G. Sebald movingly described in his controversial book On the Natural History of Destruction.
In After the Reich,Giles MacDonogh has written a comprehensive history of Germany and Austria in the postwar period, drawing on a vast array of contemporary first-person accounts of the period. In doing so, he has finally given a voice the millions of who, lucky to survive the war, found themselves struggling to survive a hellish “peace.”
A startling account of a massive and brutal military occupation, After the Reich is a major work of history of history with obvious relevance today..."
A Moose in Love
Mar 18, 2019, 2:32:03 PM3/18/19
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when being taken by train to the soviet union, my dad noted that the soviet troops used to have fun by feeding the pow's salt fish. then they refused to give them water. pappy said that many were reduced to crying and begging for water. a guy, when my father was first caught, he did not react quickly enough when told to give up his watch. he was shot. my dad when he gave over his leather boots had the heel smashed into his head. he always had a dint there. etc. it's rough all around. i don't wish to minimize crimes committed by the germans. i don't wish to be an anti american. i'm glad they are our friends. however, truth is truth, and many many innocents were tortured and killed.
itsjoan...@webtv.net
Mar 18, 2019, 3:02:09 PM3/18/19
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penm...@aol.com
Mar 18, 2019, 6:02:40 PM3/18/19
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Dave Smith
Mar 18, 2019, 6:23:47 PM3/18/19
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story. When someone digs into the archives for it she will say she
doesn't remember posting it.
Julie Bove
Mar 18, 2019, 7:18:57 PM3/18/19
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<penm...@aol.com> wrote in message
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either came back up or rapidly went the other way, sometimes at the same
time. I was tired of being in pain and realized that if I didn't take in
anything solid, there was no pain. Juice even made me throw up. I only took
in water, black coffee or Tab. No Diet Coke in those days. I was also young
enough that I didn't realize that I was starving to death. Yes, after I felt
better, I wanted food but was too frightened to try eating it.
My mom finally sent me back to school where I registered no pulse and 10/0
on the blood pressure cuff. I called my teacher over because I didn't think
this could be right. This was biology class and we were taking vital signs.
I passed out right after that. Teacher called my mom and told her to take me
to the hospital. It was across the street.
She didn't. Took me to the Dr. instead. Mind you, I had seen him many times
for this illness. This was in the days where your family Dr.handled most
everything and didn't send you to a specialist. At least that's how mine
worked.
He prescribed what he said was a vitamin. I suspect it was something else.
Guess I'll never know. Whatever it was, it caused me to eat and eat. I still
wouldn't have eaten things I don't like though.
Julie Bove
Mar 18, 2019, 7:19:41 PM3/18/19
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Ed Pawlowski
Mar 18, 2019, 7:47:03 PM3/18/19
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On 3/18/2019 2:40 PM, Gary wrote:
>
> One would think...do a quick kill of the animal first.
> Wasn't it you that suggested 2 books years ago about life in
> Germany and nearby countries AFTER the war had ended? I got both
> from the library and read them.
>
> Horrible, evil conditions. The winners did NOT treat the German
> people nice at all. Especially the Russians but the US was also
> mean as hell. Anyway, good informative books to read (I don't
> remember titles now). History classes in the USA conveniently
> skip over all those times. They only talk about how evil the
> Nazi's were but don't mention how evil the "allies" were in the
> aftermath.
>
> Everyone should always get to learn full stories of every event.
> All history should be told, not killfile certain things just to
> suit your needs. Hi there, O! :)
>
Much true history is not taught in school. Facts are often whitewashed.
>
> One would think...do a quick kill of the animal first.
> Wasn't it you that suggested 2 books years ago about life in
> Germany and nearby countries AFTER the war had ended? I got both
> from the library and read them.
>
> Horrible, evil conditions. The winners did NOT treat the German
> people nice at all. Especially the Russians but the US was also
> mean as hell. Anyway, good informative books to read (I don't
> remember titles now). History classes in the USA conveniently
> skip over all those times. They only talk about how evil the
> Nazi's were but don't mention how evil the "allies" were in the
> aftermath.
>
> Everyone should always get to learn full stories of every event.
> All history should be told, not killfile certain things just to
> suit your needs. Hi there, O! :)
>
I do know that after WWII many people did not like anyone German or
Japanese. The fact that they had nothing to do with the war had nothing
to do with their dislike. Even today, there are many prejudices against
people unlike us for no good reason. Rather sad, really.
Bruce
Mar 18, 2019, 7:57:01 PM3/18/19
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Reasonable. Not to mention 6 million who never came out.
JBurns
Mar 18, 2019, 8:27:00 PM3/18/19
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On Mon, 18 Mar 2019 04:05:17 -0700, "Julie Bove"
It is not about YOU (or any other adult). It is about a small child.
JB
JB
Dave Smith
Mar 18, 2019, 9:39:11 PM3/18/19
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On 2019-03-18 7:18 p.m., Julie Bove wrote:
>
> <penm...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:va509elv9pi0oaqrj...@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 18 Mar 2019 11:53:31 -0500, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I actually went for about three weeks without eating. Came close to
>>>> death.
>>>
>>> No doubt but why didn't you eat for 3 weeks?
>>
>> Lying.
>
> No. I have mentioned this before. I was sick to my stomach and
> everything either came back up or rapidly went the other way, sometimes
> at the same time. I was tired of being in pain and realized that if I
> didn't take in anything solid, there was no pain. Juice even made me
> throw up. I only took in water, black coffee or Tab. No Diet Coke in
> those days. I was also young enough that I didn't realize that I was
> starving to death. Yes, after I felt better, I wanted food but was too
> frightened to try eating it.
>
> My mom finally sent me back to school where I registered no pulse and
> 10/0 on the blood pressure cuff. I called my teacher over because I
> didn't think this could be right.
No pulse and BP 10/0 and you phone your mother????
>
> <penm...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:va509elv9pi0oaqrj...@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 18 Mar 2019 11:53:31 -0500, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I actually went for about three weeks without eating. Came close to
>>>> death.
>>>
>>> No doubt but why didn't you eat for 3 weeks?
>>
>> Lying.
>
> No. I have mentioned this before. I was sick to my stomach and
> everything either came back up or rapidly went the other way, sometimes
> at the same time. I was tired of being in pain and realized that if I
> didn't take in anything solid, there was no pain. Juice even made me
> throw up. I only took in water, black coffee or Tab. No Diet Coke in
> those days. I was also young enough that I didn't realize that I was
> starving to death. Yes, after I felt better, I wanted food but was too
> frightened to try eating it.
>
> My mom finally sent me back to school where I registered no pulse and
> 10/0 on the blood pressure cuff. I called my teacher over because I
> didn't think this could be right.
Pull the other one.
Dave Smith
Mar 18, 2019, 9:40:02 PM3/18/19
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and capitalize on that imagination.
Buster Fonteijn
Mar 18, 2019, 9:41:42 PM3/18/19
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people should killfile her too. Well? Well???
Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl
Mar 18, 2019, 9:41:55 PM3/18/19
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On Tue, 19 Mar 2019 10:56:56 +1100, Bruce <br...@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
I think you are a little light on that 6 million... I think it is
closer to 50
wrote:
closer to 50
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