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Gary
Sep 12, 2017, 12:24:05 PM9/12/17
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l not -l wrote:
>
> That's not very helpful when one is buying spinach sold by the
> pound. Anyone know how many ounces/pounds of spinach are in 2
> quarts?
That's not a very good recipe call. 2 quarts of fresh spinach
weighs very little. Different if they are thinking about frozen
and drained.
>
> That's not very helpful when one is buying spinach sold by the
> pound. Anyone know how many ounces/pounds of spinach are in 2
> quarts?
That's not a very good recipe call. 2 quarts of fresh spinach
weighs very little. Different if they are thinking about frozen
and drained.
Taxed and Spent
Sep 12, 2017, 12:24:54 PM9/12/17
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On 9/12/2017 8:50 AM, l not -l wrote:
> That's not very helpful when one is buying spinach sold by the
> pound. Anyone know how many ounces/pounds of spinach are in 2
> quarts?
>
2.76 pounds for frozen, unprepared
> That's not very helpful when one is buying spinach sold by the
> pound. Anyone know how many ounces/pounds of spinach are in 2
> quarts?
>
3.36 pounds for frozen, cooked, drained
Wayne Boatwright
Sep 12, 2017, 12:32:44 PM9/12/17
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On Tue 12 Sep 2017 08:50:25a, l not -l told us...
> That's not very helpful when one is buying spinach sold by the
> pound. Anyone know how many ounces/pounds of spinach are in 2
> quarts?
>
8.5 ounces = 2.1 quarts
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Wayne Boatwright
> That's not very helpful when one is buying spinach sold by the
> pound. Anyone know how many ounces/pounds of spinach are in 2
> quarts?
>
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~~ If there's a nit to pick, some nitwit will pick it. ~~
~~ A mind is a terrible thing to lose. ~~
**********************************************************
Wayne Boatwright
Dave Smith
Sep 12, 2017, 12:43:03 PM9/12/17
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On 2017-09-12 11:50 AM, l not -l wrote:
> That's not very helpful when one is buying spinach sold by the
> pound. Anyone know how many ounces/pounds of spinach are in 2
> quarts?
>
That's way too much spinach unless it is going to feed two dozen people,
> That's not very helpful when one is buying spinach sold by the
> pound. Anyone know how many ounces/pounds of spinach are in 2
> quarts?
>
but that may be because I am not crazy about spinach. Spinach is sold in
a number of different ways around here. There is the frozen stuff that
is sold frozen and compressed in 10 oz <?> containers and in one lb bags
and it is sold fresh, either in bulk, pre-packed, or in bundles. It is
hard to say how precise the amount has to be for your recipe, but I am
betting that it would be for loose spinach, so you would likely be able
to eyeball it. A google search suggested 10 cups of spinach in a pound.
penm...@aol.com
Sep 12, 2017, 2:19:25 PM9/12/17
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"l not -l" wrote:
>
>That's not very helpful when one is buying spinach sold by the
>pound. Anyone know how many ounces/pounds of spinach are in 2
>quarts?
You're not very helpful either. . .
>
>That's not very helpful when one is buying spinach sold by the
>pound. Anyone know how many ounces/pounds of spinach are in 2
>quarts?
Could mean packed into a quart container... however it would help
immensely knowing what the recipe is for... typically spinach is not
measured with any precision other than when for sale, and then spinach
is measured by weight, not volume.
I'd say a quart of spinach is 3 handfuls, my hands.
Wayne Boatwright
Sep 12, 2017, 2:26:53 PM9/12/17
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On Tue 12 Sep 2017 10:39:08a, l not -l told us...
>
> On 12-Sep-2017, Wayne Boatwright <waynebo...@xgmail.com>
>
> I'll be wilting spinach as a side for dinner.
>
You're weocme. I like wilted spinach. Enjoy!
>
> On 12-Sep-2017, Wayne Boatwright <waynebo...@xgmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Tue 12 Sep 2017 08:50:25a, l not -l told us...
>>
>> > That's not very helpful when one is buying spinach sold by the
>> > pound. Anyone know how many ounces/pounds of spinach are in 2
>> > quarts?
>> >
>>
>> 8.5 ounces = 2.1 quarts
> Thanks.
>
>> On Tue 12 Sep 2017 08:50:25a, l not -l told us...
>>
>> > That's not very helpful when one is buying spinach sold by the
>> > pound. Anyone know how many ounces/pounds of spinach are in 2
>> > quarts?
>> >
>>
>> 8.5 ounces = 2.1 quarts
>
> I'll be wilting spinach as a side for dinner.
>
You're weocme. I like wilted spinach. Enjoy!
Taxed and Spent
Sep 12, 2017, 6:02:15 PM9/12/17
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On 9/12/2017 2:35 PM, l not -l wrote:
> On 12-Sep-2017, Sqwertz <swe...@cluemail.compost> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 12 Sep 2017 19:06:58 GMT, l not -l wrote:
>>
>>> On 12-Sep-2017, Sqwertz <swe...@cluemail.compost> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>
>> You have to be a Douglass Adams fan to get the reference.
>>
>> Here spinach is always sold by the bunch - maybe 4-5 ounces
>> each and
>> taking up the volume of about a 1-quart jar. I can't see
>> normal
>> recipe calling for more than 2 bunches of spinach. Specifying
>> a
>> measurement in quarts would make me question this unknown
>> recipe.
>>
>> -sw
> I have 3 or 4 recipes for wilted spinach that all measure in
> quarts. These were from my mother's recipe box and most probably
> came from friends and/or church cookbooks. Their origin would
> have been from a rural community, probably in the mid-to-late
> 50s, where everyone had a garden and probably thought in terms of
> bushel/peck/gallon/quart/etc.
>
> Like the man with one clock, who always knows what time it is,
> vs. the many with several clocks who never is quite sure what
> time it is, I'm not sure how many ounces of spinach is in two
> quarts. I received multiple, different numbers and found another
> at http://www.howmuchisin.com/produce_converters/spinach (,8
> pounds).
>
> So, for the wilted spinach I'm making tonight, 2 quarts of
> spinach is 10 ounces - somewhere between all the answers I
> received - and, just happens to be the size of the pre-washed
> bagged spinach at the international grocer I shopped today.
>
So, what the heck was your question in the first place? And if you are
using 2 quarts of raw spinach, why do you need to know its cooked
weight? I don't get it.
> On 12-Sep-2017, Sqwertz <swe...@cluemail.compost> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 12 Sep 2017 19:06:58 GMT, l not -l wrote:
>>
>>> On 12-Sep-2017, Sqwertz <swe...@cluemail.compost> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 12 Sep 2017 15:50:25 GMT, l not -l wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That's not very helpful when one is buying spinach sold by
>>>>> the
>>>>> pound. Anyone know how many ounces/pounds of spinach are
>>>>> in
>>>>> 2
>>>>> quarts?
>>>>
>>>> 42
>>>> On Tue, 12 Sep 2017 15:50:25 GMT, l not -l wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That's not very helpful when one is buying spinach sold by
>>>>> the
>>>>> pound. Anyone know how many ounces/pounds of spinach are
>>>>> in
>>>>> 2
>>>>> quarts?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>
>> You have to be a Douglass Adams fan to get the reference.
>>
>> Here spinach is always sold by the bunch - maybe 4-5 ounces
>> each and
>> taking up the volume of about a 1-quart jar. I can't see
>> normal
>> recipe calling for more than 2 bunches of spinach. Specifying
>> a
>> measurement in quarts would make me question this unknown
>> recipe.
>>
>> -sw
> I have 3 or 4 recipes for wilted spinach that all measure in
> quarts. These were from my mother's recipe box and most probably
> came from friends and/or church cookbooks. Their origin would
> have been from a rural community, probably in the mid-to-late
> 50s, where everyone had a garden and probably thought in terms of
> bushel/peck/gallon/quart/etc.
>
> Like the man with one clock, who always knows what time it is,
> vs. the many with several clocks who never is quite sure what
> time it is, I'm not sure how many ounces of spinach is in two
> quarts. I received multiple, different numbers and found another
> at http://www.howmuchisin.com/produce_converters/spinach (,8
> pounds).
>
> So, for the wilted spinach I'm making tonight, 2 quarts of
> spinach is 10 ounces - somewhere between all the answers I
> received - and, just happens to be the size of the pre-washed
> bagged spinach at the international grocer I shopped today.
>
So, what the heck was your question in the first place? And if you are
using 2 quarts of raw spinach, why do you need to know its cooked
weight? I don't get it.
Taxed and Spent
Sep 12, 2017, 6:23:00 PM9/12/17
to
estimate its volume? And that you are concerned that you will have too
much if your estimate is a bit off, knowing how much spinach cooks down?
It this what you are saying????
Taxed and Spent
Sep 12, 2017, 8:12:09 PM9/12/17
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On 9/12/2017 4:50 PM, l not -l wrote:
> On 12-Sep-2017, Taxed and Spent <nospam...@nonospam.com>
> No. I did not have spinach to "estimate" until long after the
> question was ask and answered.
>
> you seem dazed and confused rather than taxed and spent.
>
So what WAS your question? How much does 2 quarts of raw spinach weigh?
> On 12-Sep-2017, Taxed and Spent <nospam...@nonospam.com>
> question was ask and answered.
>
> you seem dazed and confused rather than taxed and spent.
>
So what WAS your question? How much does 2 quarts of raw spinach weigh?
Taxed and Spent
Sep 12, 2017, 9:27:43 PM9/12/17
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On 9/12/2017 6:12 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
>> explaining it to you.
>
> It's a rough crowd here today. Who here hasn't regretted starting a
> thread?
>
> -sw
>
I have regretted replying to this one. Who can't eyeball some spinach?
Ridiculous.
> On Tue, 12 Sep 2017 23:47:19 GMT, l not -l wrote:
>
>> On 12-Sep-2017, Taxed and Spent <nospam...@nonospam.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>
>> On 12-Sep-2017, Taxed and Spent <nospam...@nonospam.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> So, what the heck was your question in the first place? And if
>>> you are
>>> using 2 quarts of raw spinach, why do you need to know its
>>> cooked
>>> weight? I don't get it.
>> Apparently you don't and I don't have the patience, interest in
>>> you are
>>> using 2 quarts of raw spinach, why do you need to know its
>>> cooked
>>> weight? I don't get it.
>> explaining it to you.
>
> It's a rough crowd here today. Who here hasn't regretted starting a
> thread?
>
> -sw
>
I have regretted replying to this one. Who can't eyeball some spinach?
Ridiculous.
Wayne Boatwright
Sep 12, 2017, 11:45:40 PM9/12/17
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On Tue 12 Sep 2017 06:27:40p, Taxed and Spent told us...
There could be several reasons involved. Some folks hve a problem
visualizing something that isn't right in front of them. (He hadn't
bought the spinach before asking the question.) There is a recipe
involved and, as most people know who cook spinch, when it's been
wilted therer's considerable less of it by volume than when raw. It
would be good to know just how many servings the recipe makes based
on the volume of spinach.
I don't like guessing when it comes to measuring ingredients. Taken
in reverse, I always weigh various flours rather than depending on
cup measure. Volume measurements for many things are not necessarily
accurate compared to weight.
I probably don't buy and cook raw spinach more than once or twice a
year. I could make a WAG at the store looking at the package, but I
would still measure it in my 2-quart batter bowl to confirm the
volume.
It's not rediculous to many, only to those who prefer to criticize.
visualizing something that isn't right in front of them. (He hadn't
bought the spinach before asking the question.) There is a recipe
involved and, as most people know who cook spinch, when it's been
wilted therer's considerable less of it by volume than when raw. It
would be good to know just how many servings the recipe makes based
on the volume of spinach.
I don't like guessing when it comes to measuring ingredients. Taken
in reverse, I always weigh various flours rather than depending on
cup measure. Volume measurements for many things are not necessarily
accurate compared to weight.
I probably don't buy and cook raw spinach more than once or twice a
year. I could make a WAG at the store looking at the package, but I
would still measure it in my 2-quart batter bowl to confirm the
volume.
It's not rediculous to many, only to those who prefer to criticize.
Taxed and Spent
Sep 13, 2017, 7:50:55 AM9/13/17
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On 9/12/2017 9:15 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> difference between fluffed spinach (50 leaves) and tightly packed
> spinach (500 leaves) could be almost a pound.
>
> -sw
>
I think the main concern is that this guy will need detailed
instructions on how to turn on the stove, and how to wilt the spinach. LOL.
> On Tue, 12 Sep 2017 18:27:40 -0700, Taxed and Spent wrote:
>
>> I have regretted replying to this one. Who can't eyeball some spinach?
>> Ridiculous.
>
> The main concern is, how tightly packed is this spinach? The
>
>> I have regretted replying to this one. Who can't eyeball some spinach?
>> Ridiculous.
>
> difference between fluffed spinach (50 leaves) and tightly packed
> spinach (500 leaves) could be almost a pound.
>
> -sw
>
I think the main concern is that this guy will need detailed
instructions on how to turn on the stove, and how to wilt the spinach. LOL.
penm...@aol.com
Sep 13, 2017, 10:03:46 AM9/13/17
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the poster mentioned what dish he was preparing the question could
have easily been resolved.... it's rare that spinach is actually
measured, in most cases it's really an eyeballed ingredient, same as
how much lettuce to add to a tossed salad. Most times with fresh
spinach whatever amount was purchased one uses it all, spinach doesn't
store well... the measuring was done in the market when purchased
Two days ago I prepared an 8 quart pot of minestrone soup... I added
half a bunch of fresh spinach rough chopped. The other half bunch was
eaten that night in a tossed salad, fresh spinach doesn't save well.
I've never in my life measured raw veggies other than eyeballing... I
prepare soup, stews, and salads all the time and never measure any
ingredient... when the pot/bowl is full that's the correct amount. And
I never cut into a vegetable and then save part... instead I choose
the correct size and use it all... don't yoose ladies choose men the
same? ;)
Wayne Boatwright
Sep 13, 2017, 11:12:12 AM9/13/17
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On Wed 13 Sep 2017 04:50:49a, Taxed and Spent told us...
You naysayers are just being petty. He is a more than competent cook
as evidenced by many post over the years. I'mm surprised at you, T&S,
but you haven't really offered anything but criticism this time
around..
sw has a point. Most recipes would stipulate wheter a container of
something like spinach or brown sugar should be tightly or firmly
pcaked. If it isn't stated, then it's anybody's guess.
as evidenced by many post over the years. I'mm surprised at you, T&S,
but you haven't really offered anything but criticism this time
around..
sw has a point. Most recipes would stipulate wheter a container of
something like spinach or brown sugar should be tightly or firmly
pcaked. If it isn't stated, then it's anybody's guess.
U.S. Janet B.
Sep 13, 2017, 11:41:54 AM9/13/17
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On Tue, 12 Sep 2017 17:36:27 GMT, "l not -l" <lal...@cujo.com> wrote:
>It calls for fresh spinach and, given the giant bags of spinach
>in the produce aisle weighs very little, I was having trouble
>making the mental leap from quarts to pounds.
>
>Interestingly, several recipes I looked at called for spinach
>measured in quarts.
>
>I did subsequently discover the howmuchisin.com website which
>calculated .8 pounds as the equivalent of 2 quarts of raw spinach
>leaves.
What a good site. Thank you for sharing.
Janet US
>in the produce aisle weighs very little, I was having trouble
>making the mental leap from quarts to pounds.
>
>Interestingly, several recipes I looked at called for spinach
>measured in quarts.
>
>I did subsequently discover the howmuchisin.com website which
>calculated .8 pounds as the equivalent of 2 quarts of raw spinach
>leaves.
What a good site. Thank you for sharing.
Janet US
Cheri
Sep 13, 2017, 2:20:22 PM9/13/17
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Cheri
news:XnsA7EF536DDC0B0wa...@69.16.179.45...
> On Wed 13 Sep 2017 04:50:49a, Taxed and Spent told us...
>> I think the main concern is that this guy will need detailed
>> instructions on how to turn on the stove, and how to wilt the
>> spinach. LOL.
>>
>
> You naysayers are just being petty. He is a more than competent cook
> as evidenced by many post over the years. I'mm surprised at you, T&S,
> but you haven't really offered anything but criticism this time
> around..
Seems to be something in the air with all the snarky posts going on. ;-)
>> instructions on how to turn on the stove, and how to wilt the
>> spinach. LOL.
>>
>
> You naysayers are just being petty. He is a more than competent cook
> as evidenced by many post over the years. I'mm surprised at you, T&S,
> but you haven't really offered anything but criticism this time
> around..
Cheri
Bruce
Sep 13, 2017, 2:51:30 PM9/13/17
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On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 11:19:16 -0700, "Cheri" <che...@newsguy.com>
wrote:
Yes, that wasn't very nice of Wayne.
wrote:
Casa de Masa
Sep 13, 2017, 3:21:55 PM9/13/17
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Wayne Boatwright
Sep 13, 2017, 4:38:24 PM9/13/17
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On Wed 13 Sep 2017 12:21:49p, Casa de Masa told us...
Bullshit and whatever! A lot of people have been petty about the
OP's post. I have not.
OP's post. I have not.
Bruce
Sep 13, 2017, 6:18:55 PM9/13/17
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On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 21:53:02 GMT, "l not -l" <lal...@cujo.com> wrote:
>I must confess that I have been, I hope uncharacteristically,
>grumpy of late. Since my original question seemed so simple, I
>was surprised by its nasty turn. I rarely throw out current
>personal details, finding them irrelevant and, as Kuthe has shown
>repeatedly, unwise. I do reminisce about food and cooking from
>the past; but, not current personal details. We (RFC) are
>acquaintances, not friends, except perhaps in the Facebook friend
>sense. Some are respected, well-known acquaintances, others
>nodding acquaintances, a number are just tolerated nuisances and
>a very few are just toxic vermin.
We're not acquaintances and you're clearly not toxic vermin. That
leaves tolerated nuisance.
>grumpy of late. Since my original question seemed so simple, I
>was surprised by its nasty turn. I rarely throw out current
>personal details, finding them irrelevant and, as Kuthe has shown
>repeatedly, unwise. I do reminisce about food and cooking from
>the past; but, not current personal details. We (RFC) are
>acquaintances, not friends, except perhaps in the Facebook friend
>sense. Some are respected, well-known acquaintances, others
>nodding acquaintances, a number are just tolerated nuisances and
>a very few are just toxic vermin.
We're not acquaintances and you're clearly not toxic vermin. That
leaves tolerated nuisance.
Wayne Boatwright
Sep 13, 2017, 6:53:31 PM9/13/17
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On Wed 13 Sep 2017 02:56:11p, l not -l told us...
>
> On 13-Sep-2017, Wayne Boatwright <waynebo...@xgmail.com>
> answered the question and for that, I am grateful.
>
Thank you, I'm glad it was of some health. Had I known it was
related to a potassium issue, I could included that in the
calculation. No one likes to feel ill, especially when there is a
known solution. I wish you well.
>
> On 13-Sep-2017, Wayne Boatwright <waynebo...@xgmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Wed 13 Sep 2017 12:21:49p, Casa de Masa told us...
>>
>> > On 9/13/2017 2:51 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 11:19:16 -0700, "Cheri"
>> >> <che...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>> >>> "Wayne Boatwright" <waynebo...@xgmail.com> wrote in
>> >>> message
>> >>> news:XnsA7EF536DDC0B0wa...@69.16.179.45...
>> >>>> On Wed 13 Sep 2017 04:50:49a, Taxed and Spent told us...
>> >>>
>> >>>>> I think the main concern is that this guy will need
>> >>>>> detailed instructions on how to turn on the stove, and how
>> >>>>> to wilt the spinach. LOL.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> You naysayers are just being petty. He is a more than
>> >>>> competent cook as evidenced by many post over the years.
>> >>>> I'mm
>> >>>> surprised at you, T&S, but you haven't really offered
>> >>>> anything but criticism this time around..
>> >>>
>> >>> Seems to be something in the air with all the snarky posts
>> >>> going on. ;-)
>> >>
>> >> Yes, that wasn't very nice of Wayne.
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > He's on his period.
>> >
>>
>> Bullshit and whatever! A lot of people have been petty about the
>> OP's post. I have not.
>>
>> --
> Of the numerous posts, yours was one of the few that actually
>
>> On Wed 13 Sep 2017 12:21:49p, Casa de Masa told us...
>>
>> > On 9/13/2017 2:51 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 11:19:16 -0700, "Cheri"
>> >> <che...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>> >>> "Wayne Boatwright" <waynebo...@xgmail.com> wrote in
>> >>> message
>> >>> news:XnsA7EF536DDC0B0wa...@69.16.179.45...
>> >>>> On Wed 13 Sep 2017 04:50:49a, Taxed and Spent told us...
>> >>>
>> >>>>> I think the main concern is that this guy will need
>> >>>>> detailed instructions on how to turn on the stove, and how
>> >>>>> to wilt the spinach. LOL.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> You naysayers are just being petty. He is a more than
>> >>>> competent cook as evidenced by many post over the years.
>> >>>> I'mm
>> >>>> surprised at you, T&S, but you haven't really offered
>> >>>> anything but criticism this time around..
>> >>>
>> >>> Seems to be something in the air with all the snarky posts
>> >>> going on. ;-)
>> >>
>> >> Yes, that wasn't very nice of Wayne.
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > He's on his period.
>> >
>>
>> Bullshit and whatever! A lot of people have been petty about the
>> OP's post. I have not.
>>
>> --
> answered the question and for that, I am grateful.
>
Thank you, I'm glad it was of some health. Had I known it was
related to a potassium issue, I could included that in the
calculation. No one likes to feel ill, especially when there is a
known solution. I wish you well.
Taxed and Spent
Sep 13, 2017, 7:10:30 PM9/13/17
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On 9/13/2017 2:56 PM, l not -l wrote:
> On 13-Sep-2017, Wayne Boatwright <waynebo...@xgmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> On 13-Sep-2017, Wayne Boatwright <waynebo...@xgmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Of the numerous posts, yours was one of the few that actually
> answered the question and for that, I am grateful.
>
My initial post answered your question, although I think I misunderstood
> answered the question and for that, I am grateful.
>
it. In fact, I still am not sure what you were asking.
Indian summer here. Bad sleep may add to the usual level of grumpiness.
Cheri
Sep 14, 2017, 1:58:28 AM9/14/17
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"l not -l" <lal...@cujo.com> wrote in message
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> Four ounces of left-over rib eye and a twice baked potato for
> dinner. Sliced banana with crunchy peanut butter and stawberry
> sauce for dessert.
I hope you're feeling better and get it all sorted out. I really don't know
much about low potassium, but I know how it feels when my numbers are high
or low with the diabetes, it definitely changes a personality, not for the
better, while it's going on.
Cheri
news:opc9br$7mp$1...@dont-email.me...
> Four ounces of left-over rib eye and a twice baked potato for
> dinner. Sliced banana with crunchy peanut butter and stawberry
> sauce for dessert.
I hope you're feeling better and get it all sorted out. I really don't know
much about low potassium, but I know how it feels when my numbers are high
or low with the diabetes, it definitely changes a personality, not for the
better, while it's going on.
Cheri
Ophelia
Sep 14, 2017, 2:58:26 AM9/14/17
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"l not -l" wrote in message news:opc9br$7mp$1...@dont-email.me...
I asked the question I did, rather than just wing it as I often
do. I do this not for sympathy; but, in the hope of creating
understanding of the limited view many of us have of the reasons
questions are brought here. For many years, I have kept track of
the nutrition content of the food I cook, mostly carbs and that
means working with weights. Due to a recent medication change, I
have a potassium short-fall and must increase the potassium in my
diet; therefore, it is important to me to know how much a
potassium containing food weighs so I can calculate my intake.
Spinach is one of those foods.
I could have just grabbed a bunch of spinach and made the recipe
I had on hand; but, that would not have met the need in
calculating that day's potassium intake. In planning my meal, I
wanted to know if I also needed to add other potassium containing
foods. Before making a trip to the store, I wanted to figure out
what else I might need to buy. It is true, I could have just
said, I need x amount of potassium and calculated how much
spinach I needed to eat to meet that need. But, except for
Popeye, a fellow can only eat so much spinach at a meal before
tiring of it. So, given the recipe(s) I had, I thought to ask
for help with the conversion. Thanks to those who did help.
Based upon what I did learn, I bought 10 ounces of spinach for
the recipe (and ate half the recipe with dinner). I also bought
a banana (medium, 7 inches long) for dessert to give me the the
level of potassium I needed for the day.
Those who may have experienced low potassium levels will know how
that makes you feel and how that might make you grumpy as hell.
My apologies for my grumpiness.
Taxed and Spent; perhaps you could just assume you don't know
everything and that if a question baffles you, it may because you
just don't know enough, rather than the questioner being an
incompetent. If you don't understand, just go back to watching
Matlock and F-Troop for entertainment, rather than act an ass. I
did a quick review of your posts over the past 30 days and found
little but criticism, bile and venom, rarely about food and even
less about cooking. You come off more as Tedious and Snobbish.
So, significant amounts of potatoes, bananas and spinach over the
past couple of days have already had a beneficial impact of how I
feel. I am less grumpy, but not can still be easily irritated by
self-absorbed fools in search of entertainment through demeaning
criticism.
Sheldon's antics are mostly amusing, as I have seen his pompous
exposition of limited, often irrelevant "knowledge" for nearly 40
years. I get a kick out of Steve Wertz knocking Sheldon on his
ass and kicking him in his shriveled little gonads when Sheldon
is at his worst. It reminds me of years ago, on the old AOL
Fountain Pen Forum. Sheldon was just as he is today, a pompous,
limited knowledge dumb-ass pontificating regularly. Then, he was
knocked on his ass regularly by the man, Frank Dubiel, who
literally wrote the book on fountain pens long ago.
Four ounces of left-over rib eye and a twice baked potato for
dinner. Sliced banana with crunchy peanut butter and stawberry
sauce for dessert.
==
I am sorry you have been having a horrid time. I agree things have been
very nasty around here lately. Sometimes I simply don't read for a day or
two and my KF is very useful.
I assumed it was often caused by problems like the storms etc. If course
some people are like that all the time:(
What you said was touching and I hope it makes people think. It has
certainly made me think:)
Your new diet sounds rather tasty, potassium or not:)
Good luck
O
--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk
I must confess that I have been, I hope uncharacteristically,
grumpy of late. Since my original question seemed so simple, I
was surprised by its nasty turn. I rarely throw out current
personal details, finding them irrelevant and, as Kuthe has shown
repeatedly, unwise. I do reminisce about food and cooking from
the past; but, not current personal details. We (RFC) are
acquaintances, not friends, except perhaps in the Facebook friend
sense. Some are respected, well-known acquaintances, others
nodding acquaintances, a number are just tolerated nuisances and
a very few are just toxic vermin.
But, today, I'm going to put forth a little information about why
grumpy of late. Since my original question seemed so simple, I
was surprised by its nasty turn. I rarely throw out current
personal details, finding them irrelevant and, as Kuthe has shown
repeatedly, unwise. I do reminisce about food and cooking from
the past; but, not current personal details. We (RFC) are
acquaintances, not friends, except perhaps in the Facebook friend
sense. Some are respected, well-known acquaintances, others
nodding acquaintances, a number are just tolerated nuisances and
a very few are just toxic vermin.
I asked the question I did, rather than just wing it as I often
do. I do this not for sympathy; but, in the hope of creating
understanding of the limited view many of us have of the reasons
questions are brought here. For many years, I have kept track of
the nutrition content of the food I cook, mostly carbs and that
means working with weights. Due to a recent medication change, I
have a potassium short-fall and must increase the potassium in my
diet; therefore, it is important to me to know how much a
potassium containing food weighs so I can calculate my intake.
Spinach is one of those foods.
I could have just grabbed a bunch of spinach and made the recipe
I had on hand; but, that would not have met the need in
calculating that day's potassium intake. In planning my meal, I
wanted to know if I also needed to add other potassium containing
foods. Before making a trip to the store, I wanted to figure out
what else I might need to buy. It is true, I could have just
said, I need x amount of potassium and calculated how much
spinach I needed to eat to meet that need. But, except for
Popeye, a fellow can only eat so much spinach at a meal before
tiring of it. So, given the recipe(s) I had, I thought to ask
for help with the conversion. Thanks to those who did help.
Based upon what I did learn, I bought 10 ounces of spinach for
the recipe (and ate half the recipe with dinner). I also bought
a banana (medium, 7 inches long) for dessert to give me the the
level of potassium I needed for the day.
Those who may have experienced low potassium levels will know how
that makes you feel and how that might make you grumpy as hell.
My apologies for my grumpiness.
Taxed and Spent; perhaps you could just assume you don't know
everything and that if a question baffles you, it may because you
just don't know enough, rather than the questioner being an
incompetent. If you don't understand, just go back to watching
Matlock and F-Troop for entertainment, rather than act an ass. I
did a quick review of your posts over the past 30 days and found
little but criticism, bile and venom, rarely about food and even
less about cooking. You come off more as Tedious and Snobbish.
So, significant amounts of potatoes, bananas and spinach over the
past couple of days have already had a beneficial impact of how I
feel. I am less grumpy, but not can still be easily irritated by
self-absorbed fools in search of entertainment through demeaning
criticism.
Sheldon's antics are mostly amusing, as I have seen his pompous
exposition of limited, often irrelevant "knowledge" for nearly 40
years. I get a kick out of Steve Wertz knocking Sheldon on his
ass and kicking him in his shriveled little gonads when Sheldon
is at his worst. It reminds me of years ago, on the old AOL
Fountain Pen Forum. Sheldon was just as he is today, a pompous,
limited knowledge dumb-ass pontificating regularly. Then, he was
knocked on his ass regularly by the man, Frank Dubiel, who
literally wrote the book on fountain pens long ago.
Four ounces of left-over rib eye and a twice baked potato for
dinner. Sliced banana with crunchy peanut butter and stawberry
sauce for dessert.
I am sorry you have been having a horrid time. I agree things have been
very nasty around here lately. Sometimes I simply don't read for a day or
two and my KF is very useful.
I assumed it was often caused by problems like the storms etc. If course
some people are like that all the time:(
What you said was touching and I hope it makes people think. It has
certainly made me think:)
Your new diet sounds rather tasty, potassium or not:)
Good luck
O
--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk
Wayne Boatwright
Sep 14, 2017, 9:31:12 AM9/14/17
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On Thu 14 Sep 2017 05:59:57a, l not -l told us...
> Thanks.
> This will be a balancing act, many high potassium foods are carbs
> (potatoes, bananas) and will play hell with my glucose if I'm not
> very careful.
>
Curious. Did your doctor ever recommend or prescribe a potassium
supplement medication? If it's appropriate, it can make potassium
insufficiency much easier to control.
> This will be a balancing act, many high potassium foods are carbs
> (potatoes, bananas) and will play hell with my glucose if I'm not
> very careful.
>
Curious. Did your doctor ever recommend or prescribe a potassium
supplement medication? If it's appropriate, it can make potassium
insufficiency much easier to control.
Gary
Sep 14, 2017, 10:10:55 AM9/14/17
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l not -l wrote:
>
> I'll be wilting spinach as a side for dinner.
I don't do that often but I do love it when I do.
>
> I'll be wilting spinach as a side for dinner.
A little evoo and one minced garlic clove in a
10" frying pan....after a few sauteeing moments
pile the fresh spinach to mounding. That amount
reduces to 1-2 servings. Alone here, I'll eat it all.
Gary
Sep 14, 2017, 10:11:29 AM9/14/17
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l not -l wrote:
>
> Four ounces of left-over rib eye and a twice baked potato for
> dinner.
Oh hell yeah! :-D
>
> Four ounces of left-over rib eye and a twice baked potato for
> dinner.
< Sliced banana with crunchy peanut butter and stawberry
> sauce for dessert.
Gary
Sep 14, 2017, 10:18:09 AM9/14/17
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a good addition?
Wayne Boatwright
Sep 14, 2017, 12:08:26 PM9/14/17
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On Thu 14 Sep 2017 07:48:16a, l not -l told us...
>
> On 14-Sep-2017, Wayne Boatwright <waynebo...@xgmail.com>
> years. A recent medication change has rendered that supplement
> insufficient. A new level of supplement will surely be
> forthcoming after an upcoming Dr. visit and lab work results. In
> the mean time, "eat lots of high potassium foods" is the
> solution. Now I know why so many Tea Party and Libertarian
> politicians hate Affordable Care Act; all the "little people" who
> didn't have health care before are sucking up all the
> appointments making health care less readily available to the
> "deserving". (sarcasm alert)
>
I'm sorry to hear that you're having probleims with medications. It
can be a tedious balance, and even then, medications aren't always
adequate. David and I both take numerous medications and getting
everything to work together an be a challenge. I hope there is a new
level of supplement that will make it easier for you to manage.
So far we've been quite lucky with appointments with the various
doctors we routinely see. Hopefully that will continue.
Again, best of luck!!!
>
> On 14-Sep-2017, Wayne Boatwright <waynebo...@xgmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Thu 14 Sep 2017 05:59:57a, l not -l told us...
>>
>> >
>> > On 14-Sep-2017, "Cheri" <che...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> "l not -l" <lal...@cujo.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:opc9br$7mp$1...@dont-email.me...
>> >>
>> >> > Four ounces of left-over rib eye and a twice baked potato
>> >> > for dinner. Sliced banana with crunchy peanut butter and
>> >> > stawberry sauce for dessert.
>> >>
>> >> I hope you're feeling better and get it all sorted out. I
>> >> really don't know
>> >> much about low potassium, but I know how it feels when my
>> >> numbers are high
>> >> or low with the diabetes, it definitely changes a personality,
>> >> not for the better, while it's going on.
>> >>
>> >> Cheri
>> > Thanks.
>> > This will be a balancing act, many high potassium foods are
>> > carbs (potatoes, bananas) and will play hell with my glucose if
>> > I'm not very careful.
>> >
>>
>> Curious. Did your doctor ever recommend or prescribe a
>> potassium supplement medication? If it's appropriate, it can
>> make potassium insufficiency much easier to control.
>>
>> --
> Yes; I have been taking a prescription potassium supplement for
>
>> On Thu 14 Sep 2017 05:59:57a, l not -l told us...
>>
>> >
>> > On 14-Sep-2017, "Cheri" <che...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> "l not -l" <lal...@cujo.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:opc9br$7mp$1...@dont-email.me...
>> >>
>> >> > Four ounces of left-over rib eye and a twice baked potato
>> >> > for dinner. Sliced banana with crunchy peanut butter and
>> >> > stawberry sauce for dessert.
>> >>
>> >> I hope you're feeling better and get it all sorted out. I
>> >> really don't know
>> >> much about low potassium, but I know how it feels when my
>> >> numbers are high
>> >> or low with the diabetes, it definitely changes a personality,
>> >> not for the better, while it's going on.
>> >>
>> >> Cheri
>> > Thanks.
>> > This will be a balancing act, many high potassium foods are
>> > carbs (potatoes, bananas) and will play hell with my glucose if
>> > I'm not very careful.
>> >
>>
>> Curious. Did your doctor ever recommend or prescribe a
>> potassium supplement medication? If it's appropriate, it can
>> make potassium insufficiency much easier to control.
>>
>> --
> years. A recent medication change has rendered that supplement
> insufficient. A new level of supplement will surely be
> forthcoming after an upcoming Dr. visit and lab work results. In
> the mean time, "eat lots of high potassium foods" is the
> solution. Now I know why so many Tea Party and Libertarian
> politicians hate Affordable Care Act; all the "little people" who
> didn't have health care before are sucking up all the
> appointments making health care less readily available to the
> "deserving". (sarcasm alert)
>
I'm sorry to hear that you're having probleims with medications. It
can be a tedious balance, and even then, medications aren't always
adequate. David and I both take numerous medications and getting
everything to work together an be a challenge. I hope there is a new
level of supplement that will make it easier for you to manage.
So far we've been quite lucky with appointments with the various
doctors we routinely see. Hopefully that will continue.
Again, best of luck!!!
Wayne Boatwright
Sep 14, 2017, 12:11:32 PM9/14/17
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On Thu 14 Sep 2017 07:50:24a, l not -l told us...
> Yes; that was what I really wanted. But, I could not afford the
> additional carbs, even with Breyers No Sugar Added Vanilla. So,
> I went 2/3s there.
>
I can be a real pain. Both of us are type 2 diabetics and take oral
medication to manage it. However, we still have to be careful in
watching our carbs. Last night my blood sugar was a bit on the low
side, and I was able to have two scoops of strawberry ice cream.
> additional carbs, even with Breyers No Sugar Added Vanilla. So,
> I went 2/3s there.
>
I can be a real pain. Both of us are type 2 diabetics and take oral
medication to manage it. However, we still have to be careful in
watching our carbs. Last night my blood sugar was a bit on the low
side, and I was able to have two scoops of strawberry ice cream.
jmcquown
Sep 14, 2017, 9:11:52 PM9/14/17
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On 9/12/2017 7:47 PM, l not -l wrote:
> On 12-Sep-2017, Taxed and Spent <nospam...@nonospam.com>
understood the question, I simply didn't have the answer. I've never
used a recipe calling for a quart of fresh spinach.
Jill
> On 12-Sep-2017, Taxed and Spent <nospam...@nonospam.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> So, what the heck was your question in the first place? And if
>> you are
>> using 2 quarts of raw spinach, why do you need to know its
>> cooked
>> weight? I don't get it.
>
>>
>> So, what the heck was your question in the first place? And if
>> you are
>> using 2 quarts of raw spinach, why do you need to know its
>> cooked
>> weight? I don't get it.
> Apparently you don't and I don't have the patience, interest in
> explaining it to you.
>
Since when has Taxed and Spent known what anyone was talking about? I
> explaining it to you.
>
understood the question, I simply didn't have the answer. I've never
used a recipe calling for a quart of fresh spinach.
Jill
Wayne Boatwright
Sep 14, 2017, 9:18:49 PM9/14/17
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On Thu 14 Sep 2017 06:11:40p, jmcquown told us...
> On 9/12/2017 7:47 PM, l not -l wrote:
>> On 12-Sep-2017, Taxed and Spent <nospam...@nonospam.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> So, what the heck was your question in the first place? And if
>>> you are
>>> using 2 quarts of raw spinach, why do you need to know its
>>> cooked weight? I don't get it.
>> Apparently you don't and I don't have the patience, interest in
>> explaining it to you.
>>
> Since when has Taxed and Spent known what anyone was talking
> about?
Boy, that's the truth for sure!
I understood the question, I simply didn't have the
> answer. I've never used a recipe calling for a quart of fresh
> spinach.
>
> Jill
>
> On 9/12/2017 7:47 PM, l not -l wrote:
>> On 12-Sep-2017, Taxed and Spent <nospam...@nonospam.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> So, what the heck was your question in the first place? And if
>>> you are
>>> using 2 quarts of raw spinach, why do you need to know its
>>> cooked weight? I don't get it.
>> Apparently you don't and I don't have the patience, interest in
>> explaining it to you.
>>
> Since when has Taxed and Spent known what anyone was talking
> about?
I understood the question, I simply didn't have the
> answer. I've never used a recipe calling for a quart of fresh
> spinach.
>
> Jill
>
jmcquown
Sep 14, 2017, 10:03:14 PM9/14/17
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On 9/13/2017 5:53 PM, l not -l wrote:
> sauce for dessert.
>
What a great explanatory and rather retaliatory post! LOL
I'd sure take a small med-rare pan fried petite filet (winds up about 4
oz) and a twiced baked potato for dinner if I had the ingredients on
hand. I might have to go buy a couple of steaks and baking potatoes
tomorrow. :)
Jill
> Four ounces of left-over rib eye and a twice baked potato for
> dinner. Sliced banana with crunchy peanut butter and stawberry
> sauce for dessert.
>
What a great explanatory and rather retaliatory post! LOL
I'd sure take a small med-rare pan fried petite filet (winds up about 4
oz) and a twiced baked potato for dinner if I had the ingredients on
hand. I might have to go buy a couple of steaks and baking potatoes
tomorrow. :)
Jill
Sqwerts
Sep 15, 2017, 10:12:48 AM9/15/17
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On 9/12/2017 10:15 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> how tightly packed is this spinach?
Steve Wertz - unrepentant woman stalker and total head case begging poor
> how tightly packed is this spinach?
Omelet to shoot him with a sniper rifle in austin.food:
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readnews.com - News for Geeks and ISPs
fa35d278.newsreader.readnews.com
Sorry I don't fit either of your Ideal Psycho Pal Profiles.
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I'd prefer you use a sniper rifle on me from a few hundred yards away.
There you go - a reason for you to buy yet another gun and ammo.
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Sqwerts
Sep 15, 2017, 10:13:29 AM9/15/17
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On 9/12/2017 7:12 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> Who here hasn't regretted starting a
> thread?
>
> -sw
> Who here hasn't regretted starting a
> thread?
>
> -sw
Sqwerts
Sep 15, 2017, 10:13:46 AM9/15/17
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On 9/12/2017 1:35 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> make me question this unknown recipe.
> make me question this unknown recipe.
Ding - Dong Daddy
Sep 15, 2017, 10:27:28 AM9/15/17
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Ophelia wrote:
> I am sorry you have been having a horrid time. I agree things have been
> very nasty around here lately. Sometimes I simply don't read for a day or
> two and my KF is very useful.
Wise advice, Ms. O....there is at times a plethora of "guttersnipes" lurking about here...
> I am sorry you have been having a horrid time. I agree things have been
> very nasty around here lately. Sometimes I simply don't read for a day or
> two and my KF is very useful.
--
Best
Greg
Gary
Sep 15, 2017, 3:51:16 PM9/15/17
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me of "Revenge of the Nerds." lol
Ophelia
Sep 15, 2017, 4:05:53 PM9/15/17
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"Ding - Dong Daddy" wrote in message
news:b876407b-a1ce-4e97...@googlegroups.com...
Best
Greg
==
Aye well, perhaps they are having a bad time too and need to be able to take
it out on somebody eh Greg? I guess we just don't know.
Of course we do know those who are never kind, no matter what. They are
best binned.
I just wish it would stop:(
--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk
news:b876407b-a1ce-4e97...@googlegroups.com...
Greg
==
Aye well, perhaps they are having a bad time too and need to be able to take
it out on somebody eh Greg? I guess we just don't know.
Of course we do know those who are never kind, no matter what. They are
best binned.
I just wish it would stop:(
--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk
Wayne Boatwright
Sep 15, 2017, 8:58:02 PM9/15/17
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On Fri 15 Sep 2017 01:05:40p, Ophelia told us...
As do I. I get tired of being hit on, insulted, and cariticized.
Sometimes I just have to hit back. You know the type.
Sometimes I just have to hit back. You know the type.
Sqwerts
Sep 16, 2017, 11:39:09 AM9/16/17
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On 9/12/2017 11:25 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
> 42
> 42
Melba's Jammin'
Sep 18, 2017, 8:28:29 AM9/18/17
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On 2017-09-13 03:45:33 +0000, Wayne Boatwright said:
>
>
> I probably don't buy and cook raw spinach more than once or twice a
> year. I could make a WAG at the store looking at the package, but I
> would still measure it in my 2-quart batter bowl to confirm the
> volume.
>
Packed or loose?
--
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Barb
www.barbschaller.com, last update April 2013
>
>
> I probably don't buy and cook raw spinach more than once or twice a
> year. I could make a WAG at the store looking at the package, but I
> would still measure it in my 2-quart batter bowl to confirm the
> volume.
>
Packed or loose?
--
--
Barb
www.barbschaller.com, last update April 2013
Gary
Sep 18, 2017, 9:45:48 AM9/18/17
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Melba's Jammin' wrote:
>
> On 2017-09-13 03:45:33 +0000, Wayne Boatwright said:
> >
> >
> > I probably don't buy and cook raw spinach more than once or twice a
> > year. I could make a WAG at the store looking at the package, but I
> > would still measure it in my 2-quart batter bowl to confirm the
> > volume.
> >
>
> Packed or loose?
IMO, anyone that knows cooking and has cooked fresh spinach
>
> On 2017-09-13 03:45:33 +0000, Wayne Boatwright said:
> >
> >
> > I probably don't buy and cook raw spinach more than once or twice a
> > year. I could make a WAG at the store looking at the package, but I
> > would still measure it in my 2-quart batter bowl to confirm the
> > volume.
> >
>
> Packed or loose?
doesn't need to measure it. Packed or loose, you know what it
cooks down to. silly arguments on this subject.
trpma...@gmail.com
Jul 31, 2020, 3:36:30 AM7/31/20
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After all this could someone conflict please- what is ONE quart of Spinach in pounds, please? Thanks - Terry
Julie Bove
Aug 1, 2020, 6:58:51 AM8/1/20
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<trpma...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:052d073a-18af-4371...@googlegroups.com...
> After all this could someone conflict please- what is ONE quart of Spinach
> in pounds, please? Thanks - Terry
Too many variables. Is it wet? chopped? Packed down? Cooked?
> in pounds, please? Thanks - Terry
What are you making with it? Sometimes the actual amount doesn't matter so
much.
Bryan Simmons
Aug 1, 2020, 7:57:04 AM8/1/20
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On Wednesday, September 13, 2017 at 6:50:55 AM UTC-5, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> On 9/12/2017 9:15 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> > On Tue, 12 Sep 2017 18:27:40 -0700, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> >
> >> I have regretted replying to this one. Who can't eyeball some spinach?
> >> Ridiculous.
> >
> > The main concern is, how tightly packed is this spinach? The
> > difference between fluffed spinach (50 leaves) and tightly packed
> > spinach (500 leaves) could be almost a pound.
> >
> > -sw
--Bryan
> On 9/12/2017 9:15 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> > On Tue, 12 Sep 2017 18:27:40 -0700, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> >
> >> I have regretted replying to this one. Who can't eyeball some spinach?
> >> Ridiculous.
> >
> > The main concern is, how tightly packed is this spinach? The
> > difference between fluffed spinach (50 leaves) and tightly packed
> > spinach (500 leaves) could be almost a pound.
> >
> > -sw
> >
>
>
> I think the main concern is that this guy will need detailed
> instructions on how to turn on the stove, and how to wilt the spinach. LOL.
So, if the spinach starts wilting it needs to be fluffed?
>
>
> I think the main concern is that this guy will need detailed
> instructions on how to turn on the stove, and how to wilt the spinach. LOL.
--Bryan
Taxed and Spent
Aug 1, 2020, 9:51:59 AM8/1/20
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Dave Smith
Aug 1, 2020, 9:55:14 AM8/1/20
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On 2020-07-31 3:36 a.m., trpma...@gmail.com wrote:
> After all this could someone conflict please- what is ONE quart of
> Spinach in pounds, please? Thanks - Terry
>
I love it when the gmailers drag out three year old posts.
> After all this could someone conflict please- what is ONE quart of
> Spinach in pounds, please? Thanks - Terry
>
Hank Rogers
Aug 1, 2020, 12:33:21 PM8/1/20
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itsjoan...@webtv.net
Aug 1, 2020, 1:31:52 PM8/1/20
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Bruce
Aug 1, 2020, 3:34:39 PM8/1/20
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interesting than any post by Dave Smith.
itsjoan...@webtv.net
Aug 1, 2020, 4:13:15 PM8/1/20
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Sqwertz
Aug 2, 2020, 3:44:40 AM8/2/20
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