Guess the Sie Dish du Jour

[Sqwertz]

And for the next 30 days.

https://postimg.cc/KKDRt9NC

This a tough one... Y'll gonna have's to put on your thinking caps
for this one (if you haven't lost them).

The Milo's has already been decanted into 4 1-liter mineral water
bottles with 1/16 ts of champagne yeast each and capped tightly.
It will be bubbly lemon soda with an ABV of about .4% by tomorrow
night (and after refrigeration which is necessary to dissolve the
yeast farts into the liquid).

-sw

[Sqwertz]

On Thu, 23 Mar 2023 21:12:29 -0500, Sqwertz wrote:

> And for the next 30 days.
>
> https://postimg.cc/KKDRt9NC
>
> This a tough one... Y'll gonna have's to put on your thinking caps
> for this one (if you haven't lost them).

This is like that episode of Jeopardy! where nobody writes
anything for Final Jeopardy!. Not even "What is....". Nor do
they shake their heads or shrug when called upon. And Alex is up
there just babbling like an idiot as if the contestants don't even
know it's the Final Jeopardy! round - just standing there looking
around blankly and staring up at the stage lights.

And then announcer comes on, "This episode of Jeopardy! was
brought to you by A.H. Robbins, makers of Luminal and Quaalude
...."

-sw

[jmcquown]

Lemoncello?

Jill

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 8:48:02 AM UTC-5, Sqwertz wrote:
>
> > And for the next 30 days.
> >
> > https://postimg.cc/KKDRt9NC
> >
> > This a tough one... Y'll gonna have's to put on your thinking caps
> > for this one (if you haven't lost them).
>

> -sw
>
I'm clueless as I don't brew anything, nor do I get my cauldron out to mix
potions or cook bats and rats.

[jmcquown]

I guessed Limoncello (I misspelled it in another post). Only because I
know somone who attempted to do something similar with lemons, sugar and
fermenting. Not something I'd bother with.

Jill

[Sqwertz]

A few misunderstood. The lemonade soda is not part of the side
dish.

-sw

[Dave Smith]

I didn't know you had to brew and ferment limoncello. The recipes I have
seen for it are similar to my raspberry hooch. It's just a matter of
infusing the lemon flavour into alcohol or vodka and a fair amount of
sugar. When I make raspberry hooch I just pour the alcohol and sugar
into a jug, shake it up to dissolve the sugar and add raspberries. Tip
it upside down once a day for week or two and then let it sit for a
couple months. The alcohol sucks all the colour and flavour out of the
berries. Pour off the liquor through a fine screen strainer and you've
got a nice sipping cordial. And.... it will taste a lot better than its
lemon cousin.

[%]

Sqwertz wrote:
> A few misunderstood. The lemonade soda is not part of the side
> dish.
>
> -sw
>
>

Save some for your curbside lemonade stand, dwarf.

[Thomas]

At 4 am I was going to type pork fly lice. I was hoping to see some fun guesses.

[Sqwertz]

On Fri, 24 Mar 2023 15:48:17 -0700 (PDT), Thomas wrote:

> At 4 am I was going to type pork fly lice. I was hoping to see some fun guesses.

Basamti rice makes a shitty pork flied lice. You gotta use jasmine
for that.

-sw

[TiddlyWinks]

On Thu, 23 Mar 2023 21:12:29 -0500, Sqwertz wrote:

> And for the next 30 days.
>
> https://postimg.cc/KKDRt9NC
>
> This a tough one... Y'll gonna have's to put on your thinking caps
> for this one (if you haven't lost them).

Lemon rice?

[Thomas]

Bullshit. I just looked at my half empty bag. It is basamti. Not sticky at all and is perfect for pf lice.

[Bruce]

On Fri, 24 Mar 2023 18:57:55 -0700 (PDT), Thomas <cano...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Ok, from now on Americans call it 'basamti'. There's no turning back.

[Thomas]

Basmati. My bad. Thanks for spell checking.

[Bruce]

On Fri, 24 Mar 2023 19:05:49 -0700 (PDT), Thomas <cano...@gmail.com>

wrote:

>On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 9:59:01 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>> On Fri, 24 Mar 2023 18:57:55 -0700 (PDT), Thomas <cano...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 9:17:08 PM UTC-4, Sqwertz wrote:
>> >> On Fri, 24 Mar 2023 15:48:17 -0700 (PDT), Thomas wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > At 4 am I was going to type pork fly lice. I was hoping to see some fun guesses.
>> >> Basamti rice makes a shitty pork flied lice. You gotta use jasmine
>> >> for that.
>> >>
>> >> -sw
>> >Bullshit. I just looked at my half empty bag. It is basamti. Not sticky at all and is perfect for pf lice.
>> >
>> Ok, from now on Americans call it 'basamti'. There's no turning back.
>Basmati. My bad. Thanks for spell checking.
>

I thought you copied Sqwertz.

[Cindy Hamilton]

Standard long-grain rice, just like the Chinese use.

--
Cindy Hamilton

[Thomas]

Good call.

[dsi1]

Chinese restaurants will make fried rice from long grain rice but most people in Hawaii will make fried rice using medium/short grain rice. It's harder to make clump-free fried rice with a short grain rice but that's the kind of rice most people cook at home so there's nothing that can be done about that. My guess is that people in Korea and Japan don't make fried rice out long grain rice either. These days, the Hawaiians love kim chee fried rice. We can order it in restaurants but I make a better fried rice because I use a lot more kim chee.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/ECYbaLu8N76EBVv48
https://photos.app.goo.gl/DAbNXTnawGf2yib16

[dsi1]

This is my bible:

https://www.amazon.com/Yesterdays-Tomorrows-Visions-American-Future/dp/0801853990

Yesterday's Tomorrows: Past Visions of the American Future

Enormous skyscrapers will house residents and workers who happily go "for weeks" without setting foot on the ground. Streamlined, "hurricane-proof" houses will pivot on their foundations like weather vanes. The family car will turn into an airplane so easily that "a woman can do it in five minutes." Our wars will be fought by robots. And our living room furniture―waterproof, of course―will clean up with a squirt from the garden hose.

In Yesterday's Tomorrows Joseph J. Corn and Brian Horrigan explore the future as Americans earlier in the last century expected it to happen. Filled with vivid color images and lively text, the book is eloquent testimony to the confidence―and, at times, the naive faith―Americans have had in science and technology. The future that emerges here, the authors conclude, is one in which technology changes, but society and politics usually do not.

The authors draw on a wide variety of sources―popular-science magazines, science fiction, world fair exhibits, films, advertisements, and plans for things only dreamed of. From Jules Verne to the Jetsons, from a 500-passenger flying wing to an anti-aircraft flying buzz-saw, the vision of the future as seen through the eyes of the past demonstrates the play of the American imagination on the canvas of the future.

[Thomas]

In my future we find out what the rice was for.

[Bruce]

On Sat, 25 Mar 2023 08:01:24 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
<dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:

>On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 3:57:58 PM UTC-10, Thomas wrote:
>> On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 9:17:08 PM UTC-4, Sqwertz wrote:
>> > On Fri, 24 Mar 2023 15:48:17 -0700 (PDT), Thomas wrote:
>> >
>> > > At 4 am I was going to type pork fly lice. I was hoping to see some fun guesses.
>> > Basamti rice makes a shitty pork flied lice. You gotta use jasmine
>> > for that.
>> >
>> > -sw
>> Bullshit. I just looked at my half empty bag. It is basamti. Not sticky at all and is perfect for pf lice.
>
>Chinese restaurants will make fried rice from long grain rice but most people in Hawaii

Hey, no blanket statement!

> will make fried rice using medium/short grain rice. It's harder to
> make clump-free fried rice with a short grain rice but that's the
> kind of rice most people cook at home so there's nothing that can be
> done about that. My guess is that people in Korea and Japan don't
> make fried rice out long grain rice either. These days, the Hawaiians

Ah, a blanket statement after all.

[dsi1]

I feel perfectly comfortable speaking for the Hawaiians since I'm an expert on the subject. You, on the other hand, are not. You can't even talk intelligently about the Americans. That's the breaks.

[Bruce]

On Sat, 25 Mar 2023 16:18:23 -0700 (PDT), dsi1

Your Google Groups makes a complete mess of the quoted text, but
anyway.

I'm sure that your beloved Hawaiians are individual people, not some
like-minded herd animals, as you seem to think.

[Hank Rogers]

I believe yoose uncle. Yoose the smartest asian on da planet, and
yoose knows evertyting.

Yoose even knows all about the future.

[GM]

Yes indeedy, our Unca is "A seer without peer"...

Nostradamus has nothing on 'Hawaii Dave'...

He is the Jeane Dixon of Waikiki...

--
GM

[dsi1]

You guys should see how your posts appear on a modern computer. It looks kind of retarded. Carriage returns have no place in 21st century. The memo doesn't seem to have filtered down to the boomers.
Speaking of backwards and retarded:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDw6ttESJKE

[Bruce]

On Sun, 26 Mar 2023 00:49:43 -0700 (PDT), dsi1

We're communicating via ancient Usenet. If you want modern, go to
Facebook, Twitter, web forums or even newer stuff.

[dsi1]

I'm communicating on a web app. You're communicating via ancient Usenet. Mostly, you guys are afraid of changing and moving on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zXajYDnprQ

[Bruce]

On Sun, 26 Mar 2023 01:55:08 -0700 (PDT), dsi1

<dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:

>On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 10:26:52 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>> On Sun, 26 Mar 2023 00:49:43 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
>> <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
>>
>> >On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 1:26:57 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 25 Mar 2023 16:18:23 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
>> >> <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >I feel perfectly comfortable speaking for the Hawaiians since I'm an expert on the subject. You, on the other hand, are not. You can't even talk intelligently about the Americans. That's the breaks.
>> >> >
>> >> Your Google Groups makes a complete mess of the quoted text, but
>> >> anyway.
>> >>
>> >> I'm sure that your beloved Hawaiians are individual people, not some
>> >> like-minded herd animals, as you seem to think.
>> >
>> >You guys should see how your posts appear on a modern computer. It looks kind of retarded. Carriage returns have no place in 21st century. The memo doesn't seem to have filtered down to the boomers.
>> >
>> We're communicating via ancient Usenet. If you want modern, go to
>> Facebook, Twitter, web forums or even newer stuff.
>
>I'm communicating on a web app. You're communicating via ancient Usenet. Mostly, you guys are afraid of changing and moving on.
>

Yeah yeah, we've all heard it a thousand times before, Mr Poverty
Porn.

[Michael Trew]

On 3/26/2023 4:55, dsi1 wrote:
> On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 10:26:52 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>> On Sun, 26 Mar 2023 00:49:43 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
>> <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> You guys should see how your posts appear on a modern computer.
>>> It looks kind of retarded. Carriage returns have no place in 21st
>>> century. The memo doesn't seem to have filtered down to the
>>> boomers.

You could share a screen shot.

>> We're communicating via ancient Usenet. If you want modern, go to
>> Facebook, Twitter, web forums or even newer stuff.
>
> I'm communicating on a web app. You're communicating via ancient
> Usenet. Mostly, you guys are afraid of changing and moving on.

You are using a "web app" which connects you to Usenet. AFAIK, you've
been here since before Google. NNTP is the back bone, and you're the
one "hacked into" the system... BTW, that means that you are
communication with "ancient Usenet" also, despite the GUI that Google
disguises it with.

[GM]

Michael Trew wrote:

> On 3/26/2023 4:55, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 10:26:52 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> >> On Sun, 26 Mar 2023 00:49:43 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> >> <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> You guys should see how your posts appear on a modern computer.
> >>> It looks kind of retarded. Carriage returns have no place in 21st
> >>> century. The memo doesn't seem to have filtered down to the
> >>> boomers.
> You could share a screen shot.

Here ya go:

https://postimg.cc/DJS9y4Fc

> >> We're communicating via ancient Usenet. If you want modern, go to
> >> Facebook, Twitter, web forums or even newer stuff.
> >
> > I'm communicating on a web app. You're communicating via ancient
> > Usenet. Mostly, you guys are afraid of changing and moving on.
> You are using a "web app" which connects you to Usenet. AFAIK, you've
> been here since before Google. NNTP is the back bone, and you're the
> one "hacked into" the system... BTW, that means that you are
> communication with "ancient Usenet" also, despite the GUI that Google
> disguises it with.

Without access to NNTP, there would be no "Google Groups" - correct?

David is too involved in THE FYOOTURE to be concerned with present - day mundane things...

--
GM

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 2:49:47 AM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
>
> You guys should see how your posts appear on a modern computer. It looks kind of retarded. Carriage returns have no place in 21st century. The memo doesn't seem to have filtered down to the boomers.
>

I'm viewing your run to the side of the screen posts on a 6-week-old computer
and you're right. Your posts look retarded; we're in agreement for once.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 11:21:10 AM UTC-5, GM wrote:
>
> Michael Trew wrote:
>
> > On 3/26/2023 4:55, dsi1 wrote:
> > >
> > >>> You guys should see how your posts appear on a modern computer.
> > >>> It looks kind of retarded. Carriage returns have no place in 21st
> > >>> century. The memo doesn't seem to have filtered down to the
> > >>> boomers.
> > >>>
> > You could share a screen shot.
>
> Here ya go:
>
> https://postimg.cc/DJS9y4Fc
>

> GM
>
Actually, his posts look like this. They run all the way to the edge of
the screen.

https://i.postimg.cc/L6SrFTNP/dsi1-post.jpg

[GM]

David needs to learn some "netiquette", lol...

--
GM

[Thomas]

GM's screenshot is exactly what I see. Zero difference anywhere.

[Bruce]

I think he knows. It just doesn't help his case -if there is one- to
admit it.

[Bruce]

On Sun, 26 Mar 2023 10:02:01 -0700 (PDT), Thomas <cano...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Google Groups posts look good in... Google Groups.

[Thomas]

Kitchen aid mixer bowls work good on my kitchen aid mixer.
Why wouldn't a google group post not look good in google? We are talking 2 diff languages.
What type of post looks good to you? Is rfc different?

[Bruce]

On Sun, 26 Mar 2023 11:26:13 -0700 (PDT), Thomas <cano...@gmail.com>

Most people don't use Google Groups, but a real Usenet client. Google
Groups posts often look really bad in Usenet clients. Using Google
Groups for Usenet is like riding a donkey on a highway.

[Thomas]

Is it something easy for me to switch to? Right now? I really am clueless on thus and have asked here in the past.

[dsi1]

I know what NNTP is. I have used NNTP client applications. They're okay, I guess. If I had a Window's computer, I'd still use Google Groups. It's just a better, faster, method of accessing Usenet. As far as GG being a hacked version of NNTP, that makes as much sense as saying a Geo Metro is a hacked version of the Model T. Here's the screen shot you requested.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/xfiyzbKC7bJFCGRr5

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 12:02:04 PM UTC-5, Thomas wrote:
>
> GM's screenshot is exactly what I see. Zero difference anywhere.
>

You're using a newsreader? But yes, there definitely is a difference.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 1:01:01 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>
> Google Groups posts look good in... Google Groups.
>

No, they don't. I see exactly what everyone is griping about. Posts running

[Bruce]

On Sun, 26 Mar 2023 12:02:50 -0700 (PDT), Thomas <cano...@gmail.com>

You could. Usenet clients are free. You could use Thunderbird. Or
another one if you already use Thunderbird for email. You don't want
to send your emails to a newsgroup by mistake.
>
And you'd need an account with a Usenet server. I believe Eternal
September is free. Others cost $5 or $10, for instance, for many years
of newsgrouping. Someone here can recommend.
>

[Bruce]

Really, Google Groups posts look bad in Google Groups? I don't
understand why a serious company could have made something this bad.

[Thomas]

Here is our conversation. The thing is, every post from everyone looks just like this.
https://postimg.cc/wykW69Ws

[Bruce]

On Sun, 26 Mar 2023 12:30:44 -0700 (PDT), Thomas <cano...@gmail.com>

wrote:

>On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 3:22:32 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>> On Sun, 26 Mar 2023 12:18:53 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
>> <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>>
>> >On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 1:01:01 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Google Groups posts look good in... Google Groups.
>> >>
>> >No, they don't. I see exactly what everyone is griping about. Posts running
>> >all the way to the edge of the screen.
>> >
>> Really, Google Groups posts look bad in Google Groups? I don't
>> understand why a serious company could have made something this bad.
>Here is our conversation. The thing is, every post from everyone looks just like this.
>https://postimg.cc/wykW69Ws
>

But how do the posts by dsi1 look? He's the worst Google Grouper.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 2:30:47 PM UTC-5, Thomas wrote:
>
> Here is our conversation. The thing is, every post from everyone looks just like this.
> https://postimg.cc/wykW69Ws
>

Yeah, ours looks like that but not dsi1's. His run all the way to the edge of the
screen. See the difference in what you write and what the image you posted
compared to how his appear?

https://i.postimg.cc/0Nt7p3G7/dsi1-post.jpg

If I decide to post like him and never press the enter key my posts just go all the way to the edge of the screen and annoyingly look like this. See what happens when I wait for Google Groups to automatically start a new line of text for me when I just chatter away, pound the keyboard over and over and over????

(Sorry folks, I was just trying to demonstrate to Thomas what a mess dsi1's
post look like. 😣 )

[Thomas]

Everyone is the same.
DS:
https://postimg.cc/NKgCz9pv

[Thomas]

I guess if I had a 60 inch monitor my neck would tire. I am staring at a 10.5 samsung galaxy tablet.
I don't notice end to end. It's like reading a book.

[Ed Pawlowski]

I see the post just fine using Thunderbird.

Some time back on another computer I had Agent and I think there was a
setting to fix them.

[dsi1]

That was GM attempting to disrupt rfc, not me.

[Thomas]

Whoever posted was just fine for my viewing. No complaints. I do wish i had options such as blocking posters. Some groups are relentless.

[dsi1]

I like how Google Groups cleans up the clutter.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/wRwkdaZF4m4jo7oT8

[GM]

Nope, that was most likely "Hank Rogers"...

--
GM

[GM]

Question for you, Oh Mystic Swami:

Are we in the future yet...???

🤖

--
GM

[Thomas]

I want to toss my future question answer.
We are not yet in the future until we find out what the OP rice was for.

[GM]

"Hawaii Dave", in an effort to draw "attention" to himself, is simply engaging in obviously "fishy" disinformation tactics here...

--
GM

[heyjoe]

Thomas wrote :

> Is it something easy for me to switch to? Right now?

Yes. The hardest thing to decide - which newsreader to use?

In order of popularity based on 6000+ RFC posts in Feb. and Mar.
G2/1.0 (gogglegroups)
Thunderbird
Forte Agent
slrn
40tude_Dialog
MicroPlanet-Gravity
MacSOUP
Gnus
Pan
XanaNews

Based on usage in RFC, Thunderbird is probably a good choice to learn
on.

> I really am clueless on thus and have asked here in the past.

You'll need to download and install Thunderbird.
Then setup Thunderbird to work with a usenet provider.
You can get a free account at www.eternal-september.org (a userID
and password must be obtained to read and post from E-S)
Subscribe to rec.food.cooking
Start downloading and reading articles.

It's not harder than using googlegroups, but it is different.
No doubt there will be growing pains and frustrations. But there are
a myriad of advantages. Filters, different sorting and views of
messages, threading oif messages, filters, flexibilty, fun, fun, fun.


--
OLD will always be older than me.

[Bruce]

On Sun, 26 Mar 2023 12:43:48 -0700 (PDT), Thomas <cano...@gmail.com>

Endlessly long lines, unlike the previous GG post that you posted.

[Bruce]

If you press O in Agent, the post doesn't run off the screen anymore.
But the sentences are still extremely long. And when you reply to the
post, you have to clean up the mess. It's all good though. It allows
dsi1 to feel like a rebel. He must have skipped puberty back in the
day and is making up for that. All one can say is Enjoy!

[Dave Smith]

I don't have a problem with dsi1's posts. The lines are a little longer
than those from other people but the line fit within my window. If I
shrink or expand the size of the window the line wrap adapts.

My only problem with his posts are that when I reply to them the text
quoted from him only has a quotation arrow indicator on the first
line. I can easily remedy that by clicking on Edit and then Rewrap.
It's really not a problem. Some people keep whining about his format
when the problem is their newsreader and their setting.

[dsi1]

In your case, you seek to be one of the gang, to be accepted. How's the working out for you?
In the end, you'll all be using Google Groups - it's inevitable.

[Bruce]

On Sun, 26 Mar 2023 14:35:33 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
<dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:

>> If you press O in Agent, the post doesn't run off the screen anymore.
>> But the sentences are still extremely long. And when you reply to the
>> post, you have to clean up the mess. It's all good though. It allows
>> dsi1 to feel like a rebel. He must have skipped puberty back in the
>> day and is making up for that. All one can say is Enjoy!
>
>In your case, you seek to be one of the gang, to be accepted. How's the working out for you?
>

If I had wanted to be accepted, I'd only have said middle-of-the-road
things here or I'd have joined the John Kuthe bashing. I wouldn't have
ended up in many killfiles :)

>
>In the end, you'll all be using Google Groups - it's inevitable.
>

I could like a web based, device independent Usenet interface, but it
would have to be better than the Google Groups drama.

[dsi1]

You don't use Google Groups. You don't know a thing about it - just like you don't know a thing about Americans or Hawaiians.

[Gary]

I don't see any problem with full screen lines of text. That what the
right side of a screen is for.

The old annoying thing was when you had to scroll right to read the
lines. I no longer see that mess.

[Bruce]

You're a pick-me man.

[Gary]

Crop incoming messages to screen size. (something similar)

[Michael Trew]

On 3/26/2023 12:43, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
> On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 11:21:10 AM UTC-5, GM wrote:
>> Michael Trew wrote:
>>
>>> You could share a screen shot.
>>
>> Here ya go:
>>
>> https://postimg.cc/DJS9y4Fc

That looks normal, but probably because it's my post, and I word-wrap
many GG posts with "CTRL+R" before I respond, so they stay within the
margins which David so despises (sorry David, it's nothing personal).

> Actually, his posts look like this. They run all the way to the edge of
> the screen.
>
> https://i.postimg.cc/L6SrFTNP/dsi1-post.jpg

That is a lot of left-to-right scanning just to read. I prefer margins
and line breaks, myself, regardless of the interface.

[Michael Trew]

On 3/26/2023 14:49, Bruce wrote:
> On Sun, 26 Mar 2023 11:26:13 -0700 (PDT), Thomas<cano...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Kitchen aid mixer bowls work good on my kitchen aid mixer.
>> Why wouldn't a google group post not look good in google? We are talking 2 diff languages.
>> What type of post looks good to you? Is rfc different?
>>
> Most people don't use Google Groups, but a real Usenet client. Google
> Groups posts often look really bad in Usenet clients. Using Google
> Groups for Usenet is like riding a donkey on a highway.

Lou Monte

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRMjEYlK4PU

[Michael Trew]

On 3/26/2023 15:12, dsi1 wrote:
> On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 6:10:45 AM UTC-10, Michael Trew wrote:
>>
>> You are using a "web app" which connects you to Usenet. AFAIK,
>> you've been here since before Google. NNTP is the back bone, and
>> you're the one "hacked into" the system... BTW, that means that you
>> are communication with "ancient Usenet" also, despite the GUI that
>> Google disguises it with.
>
> I know what NNTP is. I have used NNTP client applications. They're
> okay, I guess. If I had a Window's computer, I'd still use Google
> Groups. It's just a better, faster, method of accessing Usenet. As
> far as GG being a hacked version of NNTP, that makes as much sense as
> saying a Geo Metro is a hacked version of the Model T.

Not a good comparison... both vehicles run on gasoline and fit within
the lane of the road as intended. A better comparison would be if the
modern car didn't properly fit on existing roads. Actually, GG on
Usenet is almost like driving a Tesla out in the country (or desert),
with few charging stations to be found. That must be nerve-wracking.

> Here's the screen shot you requested.
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/xfiyzbKC7bJFCGRr5

Thanks. My diagnosis is that when our newsreaders word-wrap the posts,
the same number of characters in line don't fit on your small tablet
screen, and it looks pretty screwy with like breaks and > everywhere.
That is unfortunate.

To boot, when your non-wrapped posts are viewed on a larger monitor,
even in GG like with Joan, they look too long on the large monitor, even
though they look appropriate on your small tablet screen.

I suspect that the newsreader posts would be a lot more legible on a
larger screen; for instance, if you used any kind of desktop or laptop
monitor. Basically, there's no way to make everyone happy.

[Leonard Blaisdell]

On 2023-03-26, dsi1 <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:

> I know what NNTP is. I have used NNTP client applications. They're okay, I guess. If I had a Window's computer, I'd still use Google Groups. It's just a better, faster, method of accessing Usenet. As far as GG being a hacked version of NNTP, that makes as much sense as saying a Geo Metro is a hacked version of the Model T. Here's the screen shot you requested.
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/xfiyzbKC7bJFCGRr5


And here's what I see on slrn. I don't prefer slrn. I loved Newswatcher
and it's children, but they went away long ago as Mac OSX marched
forward and Usenet faded into what it is today.
I don't just click on a URL. I copy and paste. If the URL spans two
lines, I go find the two spaces to delete, whether " " or "%20%20"
Love you guys!

<https://postimg.cc/Cd4v6Vcc>

[Bruce]

On 28 Mar 2023 05:10:00 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell

But if the URL is placed between < and >, does it stay intact and
clickable then? Is this link clickable for you?
<https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/613Fkc6NVNL._UL1500_.jpg>
(just an example)

[Leonard Blaisdell]

On 2023-03-28, Bruce <Br...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> But if the URL is placed between < and >, does it stay intact and
> clickable then? Is this link clickable for you?
><https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/613Fkc6NVNL._UL1500_.jpg>
> (just an example)

Nope. That particular URL is on one line, and by the way, thanks for
that. Perhaps it's me, but my terminal window isn't clickable. I can
copy and paste.
I'll try to remember to post a longer link, that I have to edit, and see
if you can find out why it won't post properly. I could expand the
terminal to full screen, I suppose, but I don't want to.
What I do is not a problem. I'm used to it.
Other slrn folks here might educate me further, if I'm doing something
wrong. I'm just thrilled that I can copy and paste outside of the
terminal.

[dsi1]

What's happening is that your program inserts a carriage return whenever your line exceeds 72 or 80 characters in length to fit your screen. That makes sense with a monospaced font. That would prove to be unworkable if using a font that can be scaled to fit any block of text. My text window allows the text to be sized to fit the window. I can also specify the size of the characters to pretty much be any size I want. Being able to do this affords the guy setting up the page an enormous amount of flexibility. I used to be the guy that used to work with blocks of text that had to fit into a fixed area. Those were horrible, dark, days.

[dsi1]

My assumption is that Google converts my text to a monospace font before sending it out the the Usenet servers. Your newsreader is able to word-wrap the text. Evidently, some readers don't do that and rely on carriage returns for formatting text. Your reader also highlights links in a different color. That's a fairly modern thing to do. Evidently, some readers see link as just another line of text. Since my reader is just another web page, I can just click on the link without copying and pasting the link on another browser window's address box.

[Bruce]

I always bring some food before I read a line of your text. I also
tell my wife to come and get me if I never come back.

[dsi1]

If this is your major problem in life - consider yourself a very lucky Dutchman. We should all get off that easy.

[Cindy Hamilton]

On 2023-03-28, Leonard Blaisdell <leobla...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> On 2023-03-28, Bruce <Br...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> But if the URL is placed between < and >, does it stay intact and
>> clickable then? Is this link clickable for you?
>><https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/613Fkc6NVNL._UL1500_.jpg>
>> (just an example)
>
>
> Nope. That particular URL is on one line, and by the way, thanks for
> that. Perhaps it's me, but my terminal window isn't clickable. I can
> copy and paste.

slrn doesn't like the angle brackets. It renders the link unclickable.
That's why I stopped using them.

For some reason that I don't care to investigate, I can't copy a link
from slrn to my browser. I have to be pretty strongly motivated to
follow a long link. It's probably for the best.

--
Cindy Hamilton

[Cindy Hamilton]

On 2023-03-28, dsi1 <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
> On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 7:10:07 PM UTC-10, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
>> On 2023-03-26, dsi1 <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
>>
>> > I know what NNTP is. I have used NNTP client applications. They're okay, I guess. If I had a Window's computer, I'd still use Google Groups. It's just a better, faster, method of accessing Usenet. As far as GG being a hacked version of NNTP, that makes as much sense as saying a Geo Metro is a hacked version of the Model T. Here's the screen shot you requested.
>> >
>> > https://photos.app.goo.gl/xfiyzbKC7bJFCGRr5
>>
>>
>> And here's what I see on slrn. I don't prefer slrn. I loved Newswatcher
>> and it's children, but they went away long ago as Mac OSX marched
>> forward and Usenet faded into what it is today.
>> I don't just click on a URL. I copy and paste. If the URL spans two
>> lines, I go find the two spaces to delete, whether " " or "%20%20"
>> Love you guys!
>>
>> <https://postimg.cc/Cd4v6Vcc>
>
> My assumption is that Google converts my text to a monospace font before
> sending it out the the Usenet servers.

Your assumption is entirely wrong. Fonts are the province of the
client, not the server. If I wanted to, I could use Zapf Dingbats to
read every Usenet post. (Actually, that might make a few of them
_more_ intelligible.)

> Your newsreader is able to word-wrap the text. Evidently, some readers
> don't do that and rely on carriage returns for formatting text.

I've got slrn configured to wrap posts when I read them. It bitches up
a storm when I reply to your posts because long lines are considered
discourteous.

> Your reader also highlights links in a different color. That's a
> fairly modern thing to do.

Fairly modern, like 1990s?

> Evidently, some readers see link as just another line of text.

"Evidently"? What evidence do you have?

> Since my reader is just another web page, I can just click on the link
> without copying and pasting the link on another browser window's
> address box.

Lots of people can do that. I can do that in slrn. A web page is not
required to follow links.

--
Cindy Hamilton

[Cindy Hamilton]

On 2023-03-28, dsi1 <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
>

> What's happening is that your program inserts a carriage return whenever
> your line exceeds 72 or 80 characters in length to fit your screen. That
> makes sense with a monospaced font. That would prove to be unworkable if
> using a font that can be scaled to fit any block of text. My text window
> allows the text to be sized to fit the window. I can also specify the
> size of the characters to pretty much be any size I want.

So can I, with my 1990s technology. I can resize my window and lines
wrap or unwrap as needed. I can specify a font (monospace or
variable-width), size, etc.

> Being able to > do this affords the guy setting up the page an enormous
> amount of flexibility. I used to be the guy that used to work with
> blocks of text that had to fit into a fixed area. Those were horrible,
> dark, days.

I don't give a crap what the guy setting up the page wants. What
matters is what I want.

--
Cindy Hamilton

[dsi1]

Evidently, some readers require you to insert brackets at the beginning and end of links. That's just what I read in rfc.
My point was not that readers can't click directly on links. It was that some readers cannot.
It sounds like you're in some kind of manic phase. Do you always get so excited by posts? As always, my posts are not directed at you. I never write my posts about you. Haven't I explained this to you enough times? Evidently not.

[Bruce]

On Tue, 28 Mar 2023 01:44:45 -0700 (PDT), dsi1

:)

[Bruce]

lol

[dsi1]

Your problem is that you haven't gone on a walkabout. This makes you believe that a long string of words is some kind of problem.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyLdycAw94Y

[Cindy Hamilton]

If you insert angle brackets before and after URLs, _most_ newsreaders
will treat it as an unbroken line. slrn treats it as some sort of weird
text. It highlights it like a link, but clicking on it does nothing.

> My point was not that readers can't click directly on links. It was that some readers cannot.
> It sounds like you're in some kind of manic phase. Do you always get so excited by posts? As always, my posts are not directed at you. I never write my posts about you. Haven't I explained this to you enough times? Evidently not.

I don't give a fuck whether your posts are directed at me. If you want
private communication, use e-mail.

--
Cindy Hamilton

[cshenk]

David, seriously, we have just a small number of us with malformed
readers that can't handle google posts. It's them who need to update
and if they won't, they need to recognize it is their OWN fault.

[cshenk]

Yup. Fit my screen fine. Note when I quote it, because yu DID NOT
DIDDLE WITH IT, my reader (xananews, freeware and easier than
Tghunderbird) has no problem reformatting it.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 3:15:42 AM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Mar 2023 01:02:14 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
> >
> >My assumption is that Google converts my text to a monospace font before sending it out the the Usenet servers.
> >

*SNIP*

>
> I always bring some food before I read a line of your text. I also
> tell my wife to come and get me if I never come back.
>

**GUFFAW**

[Michael Trew]

Fight nicely, children.

> I don't give a fuck whether your posts are directed at me. If you
> want private communication, use e-mail.

Ironically, both you and David refuse to post with a real e-mail address
-- perhaps out of some level of paranoia?

[Bruce]

On Tue, 28 Mar 2023 03:29:39 -0700 (PDT), dsi1

<dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:

>On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 11:51:21 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>> On Tue, 28 Mar 2023 01:44:45 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
>> <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
>>
>> >On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 10:15:42 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>> >> On Tue, 28 Mar 2023 01:02:14 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
>> >> <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >My assumption is that Google converts my text to a monospace font before sending it out the the Usenet servers. Your newsreader is able to word-wrap the text. Evidently, some readers don't do that and rely on carriage returns for formatting text. Your reader also highlights links in a different color. That's a fairly modern thing to do. Evidently, some readers see link as just another line of text. Since my reader is just another web page, I can just click on the link without copying and pasting the link on another browser window's address box.
>> >
>> >> I always bring some food before I read a line of your text. I also
>> >> tell my wife to come and get me if I never come back.
>> >
>> >If this is your major problem in life - consider yourself a very lucky Dutchman. We should all get off that easy.
>
>> :)
>
>Your problem is that you haven't gone on a walkabout. This makes you believe that a long string of words is some kind of problem.
>

It's not a big problem. It's just ugly and a bit of a pain to read and
reply to. But if it makes you fell like a rebel, do it! Have fun!

[Bruce]

Lol, you should be talking about paranoia, Mr Only Pay Cash.

[dsi1]

Well, mostly I ain't stupid. I used to have a trashy email account that I gave out freely. These days I still got that address but I never check it. I also had a business address that I advertised and gave our freely. That business is gone as is my old domain name. The address I use these days I only give out to people or organizations I trust. My guess is that the address that you so freely give out is also your business address. I find it interesting that a person that's computer savvy as you are doesn't have different levels of email addresses. Your claim of paranoia on my part is pretty naive - I mean, this ain't 1999.

[Bruce]

I wish I'd always been careful with my email address.
The first thing I do after I've turned on my computer in the morning,
is delete 10 spam emails. I get like one per hour.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 3:05:10 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>
> I wish I'd always been careful with my email address.
> The first thing I do after I've turned on my computer in the morning,
> is delete 10 spam emails. I get like one per hour.
>

When I retired and signed up for a supplemental medical plan for my Medicare
it was through AARP (American Association for Retired Persons). It's a HUGE
organization that lobbies for seniors; you can buy health insurance, car insurance,
homeowners insurance, discounted travel, etc.

Within days of buying this plan my primary address was inundated with offers
for walking canes, wheelchairs, eyeglasses, leg, arm, ankle, neck braces, motorized
scooters, hearing aids, potty chairs. My goodness, the list was endless and joy oh
joy it was all from good old Gmail. A quick call to the insurance carrier got my name
removed from 90% of this junk but the damage had already been done and I still get
garbage e-mail. And it's still 90% from Gmail. Before this I would perhaps get one
junk e-mail per month at my primary username.

[Cindy Hamilton]

Experience. The last time I posted with a real address, I started
receiving mass quantities of spam.

I don't want people e-mailing me. I don't want people phoning me.
I don't want people knocking on my door if I haven't invited them.

Those darned kids should just stay off my lawn. ;)

--
Cindy Hamilton

[Ed Pawlowski]

Has not been a problem for me. You can figure fine if you really want
to contact me but the bots do not. In all the years here, I've only had
a few email and did not mind at all.

I do have a Gmail account and get junk there.

[S Viemeister]

When my mother required nursing care in a rehab facility, the hospital
she was in had people who helped families find suitable places. I spoke
to one, gave him my email address, and he said he'd get back to me. He
never did, but the next day I started getting spam emails for all sorts
of 'old sick people' stuff. I'm still getting it, and my mother died in
2010. My son runs our server, and much of it is blocked, but it's
amazing how much sneaks through, as the spammers keep changing addresses.

[GM]

"dsi1" is teaching me how to levitate... we may just "levitate" to your Florida
pad for a relaxing day on yer lanai...

"Hawaii Dave" will cook us up some of his exotic tropical Island vittles...

;-D

--
GM

[Thomas]

My gmail has 3 kept emails. I get quite a few amazon notices but that's it.
My outlook account gets so many I would never find a real email.