OT: Thunderbird

[Gary]

Had to uninstall corrupt version the other day.
Then installed the newest version but I see it's really messing up.

My headers are messed up and today...Many posts are all combined in one,
just my responses. WTH?

I'll deal with this later

[jmcquown]

This is why I don't let Thunderbird automatically update anything. Good
luck! (not being snarky)

Jill

[Dave Smith]

I have been having problems with it too. I occasionally post something
and it never shows up. Sometimes it will appear in my Sent folder,
sometimes in the Drafts folder, and sometimes it just disappears.
Curiously, most of the time when I check immediately it appears in the
group. It's enough to make me a little paranoid.

[bruce bowser]

Jill, you mean Thunderbird the American classic fortified wine?

[GM]

Lol, bb...

B-)

--
GM

[Ed P]

I've had post not get sent. Sometimes I can just hit Ctrl E to bring it
up and send again, other times it just won't go. I thought it may have
been Blocknews but I guess not.

[Bryan Simmons]

Can you suggest an easier way for her to get a man?
>
> --
> GM

--Bryan

[GM]

That's like asking, "Can Studebaker be revived?", lol...

--
GM

[dsi1]

You should install Google Groups on your computer. Come over to the Dark Side, Garry and together we can bring order to the Usenet-verse and rule together as father and son. Of course, I'm Darth Vader - you're just going to have to be Luke.

[jmcquown]

On 4/30/2023 3:19 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 2:03:15 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
>> Had to uninstall corrupt version the other day.
>> Then installed the newest version but I see it's really messing up.
>>
>> My headers are messed up and today...Many posts are all combined in one,
>> just my responses. WTH?
>>
>> I'll deal with this later
>
> You should install Google Groups on your computer.

Google Groups does not require "installation". Google Groups sucks. No
filters, no spam retardants. In fact, all the retarded SPAM that shows
up (both here and in anyone's email inbox) comes from Google Groupers
and people with gmail addresses.

Jill

[Bruce]

Good plan. I think Gary's a Star Wars guy *Ronald Reagan wink*

[dsi1]

If you're implying that the posters of rfc using Google Groups are spamers, you're misinformed - as usual. I have no idea where you got that nutty idea from. That's like saying that people with driver's licenses are long haul truckers. The posters using Google Groups are posters. The spamers using Google Groups are spamers. What's so hard to understand about that?

[bruce bowser]

You know, sometimes I think that most RFC posters are all actually one poster posting from a jail cell.

[Bruce]

Maybe just that Greg, in all his manifestations, uses a Google account
(and a Gmail address). Other than that I don't see it either.

[Bruce]

Could be, if it's a padded jail cell.

[Bruce]

On Sun, 30 Apr 2023 20:30:20 -0000 (UTC), heyjoe <add...@is.invalid>
wrote:

>jmcquown wrote :

>
>> Google Groups does not require "installation". Google Groups sucks. No
>> filters, no spam retardants. In fact, all the retarded SPAM that shows
>> up (both here and in anyone's email inbox) comes from Google Groupers
>> and people with gmail addresses.
>

>Here's the big FAIL for Gary - goggle groups assumes you're online and
>constantly connected to the internet to read news one article at a
>time. Gary works in offline mode - connect to the internet, download
>a bunch of the current unread news, disconnect from the internet -
>read news/write followups at his leisure, with no internet connection.
>That's the way we all did it, back in the days of dialup (slow,
>intermittant internet connections). Not a lot of people run TB that
>way, but it still works quite well, given a dodgy. free internet
>connection.

And your point is?

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

The spam I see here are drug sellers, 'dating' sites, and the occasional online
manuals being peddled. I get no spam from any of these sites or any other
sites on this address.

[dsi1]

A psych hospital would be my guess - they actually have no life at all.

[dsi1]

GM is a special case. The reality is that Google Groups will not turn a poster into a spamming maniac. Only the poster can do that. Of course, a lot of rfc'ers are afraid of life, technology, and the future. They will cling tightly to their old newsreaders until it crumbles and turns to dust.

[Hank Rogers]

Don't forget aioe your majesty.

[Cindy Hamilton]

On 2023-04-30, dsi1 <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
> On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 2:03:15 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
>> Had to uninstall corrupt version the other day.
>> Then installed the newest version but I see it's really messing up.
>>
>> My headers are messed up and today...Many posts are all combined in one,
>> just my responses. WTH?
>>
>> I'll deal with this later
>
> You should install Google Groups on your computer.

You mean, a web browser?


--
Cindy Hamilton

[Bruce]

On Sun, 30 Apr 2023 14:08:50 -0700 (PDT), dsi1

<dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:

>On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 10:36:30 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>> On Sun, 30 Apr 2023 13:18:33 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
>> <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
>>
>> >On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 9:32:40 AM UTC-10, jmcquown wrote:
>> >> On 4/30/2023 3:19 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>> >> > On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 2:03:15 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
>> >> >> Had to uninstall corrupt version the other day.
>> >> >> Then installed the newest version but I see it's really messing up.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> My headers are messed up and today...Many posts are all combined in one,
>> >> >> just my responses. WTH?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I'll deal with this later
>> >> >
>> >> > You should install Google Groups on your computer.
>> >> Google Groups does not require "installation". Google Groups sucks. No
>> >> filters, no spam retardants. In fact, all the retarded SPAM that shows
>> >> up (both here and in anyone's email inbox) comes from Google Groupers
>> >> and people with gmail addresses.
>> >>
>> >> Jill
>> >
>> >If you're implying that the posters of rfc using Google Groups are spamers, you're misinformed - as usual. I have no idea where you got that nutty idea from. That's like saying that people with driver's licenses are long haul truckers. The posters using Google Groups are posters. The spamers using Google Groups are spamers. What's so hard to understand about that?
>> Maybe just that Greg, in all his manifestations, uses a Google account
>> (and a Gmail address). Other than that I don't see it either.
>
>GM is a special case. The reality is that Google Groups will not turn a poster into a spamming maniac. Only the poster can do that.

Maybe people like GM are too stupid to get a real newsreader to work.

>Of course, a lot of rfc'ers are afraid of life, technology, and the future.
>They will cling tightly to their old newsreaders until it crumbles and
>turns to dust.
>

Yeah yeah, your old fanboi tune. You're still using the worst Usenet
interface there is. But your preference for crappy products has been
well documented here. By you :)
>

[Cindy Hamilton]

On 2023-04-30, dsi1 <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
> On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 9:32:40 AM UTC-10, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 4/30/2023 3:19 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>> > On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 2:03:15 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
>> >> Had to uninstall corrupt version the other day.
>> >> Then installed the newest version but I see it's really messing up.
>> >>
>> >> My headers are messed up and today...Many posts are all combined in one,
>> >> just my responses. WTH?
>> >>
>> >> I'll deal with this later
>> >
>> > You should install Google Groups on your computer.
>> Google Groups does not require "installation". Google Groups sucks. No
>> filters, no spam retardants. In fact, all the retarded SPAM that shows
>> up (both here and in anyone's email inbox) comes from Google Groupers
>> and people with gmail addresses.
>>
>> Jill
>
> If you're implying that the posters of rfc using Google Groups are spamers,

No. She's saying that 99% of the spam that arrives in rfc has come
through Google Groups, with a gmail.com return address. It's why I've
blacklisted gmail.com addresses (and whitelisted the two or three
that are legit rfc members).

Let's see what has washed up recently.
Buy automobile parts online
How to avoid the Most Common Time Wasters
A lot of crap about love spells
WE OFFER MONEY MAGIC WALLET

I avoid the Most Common time Wasters by not seeing any posts from
unknown people with gmail addresses.

--
Cindy Hamilton

[dsi1]

No. You're wrong.
My guess is that most of the spam is being put out by law enforcement agencies.

[Mike Duffy]

On 2023-04-30, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:

> The spam I see here are drug sellers, 'dating' sites, [...]

> online manuals being peddled. I get no spam from any of these
> sites or any other sites on this address.

My experience is the same. I never get spam on the working
email address. I do not think a core of a few dozen NNTP
users is enough to entice a real spammer.

On the other hand, web traffic to my web-site, which is linked
in my NNTP 'organization' header, shows that we are being
'followed' by certain entities & agencies by our NNTP headers.

[GM]

dsi1 wrote:

> On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 10:36:30 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> > On Sun, 30 Apr 2023 13:18:33 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> > <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
> >
> > >On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 9:32:40 AM UTC-10, jmcquown wrote:
> > >> On 4/30/2023 3:19 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> > >> > On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 2:03:15 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> > >> >> Had to uninstall corrupt version the other day.
> > >> >> Then installed the newest version but I see it's really messing up.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> My headers are messed up and today...Many posts are all combined in one,
> > >> >> just my responses. WTH?
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I'll deal with this later
> > >> >
> > >> > You should install Google Groups on your computer.
> > >> Google Groups does not require "installation". Google Groups sucks. No
> > >> filters, no spam retardants. In fact, all the retarded SPAM that shows
> > >> up (both here and in anyone's email inbox) comes from Google Groupers
> > >> and people with gmail addresses.
> > >>
> > >> Jill
> > >
> > >If you're implying that the posters of rfc using Google Groups are spamers, you're misinformed - as usual. I have no idea where you got that nutty idea from. That's like saying that people with driver's licenses are long haul truckers. The posters using Google Groups are posters. The spamers using Google Groups are spamers. What's so hard to understand about that?
> > Maybe just that Greg, in all his manifestations, uses a Google account
> > (and a Gmail address). Other than that I don't see it either.
> GM is a special case. The reality is that Google Groups will not turn a poster into a spamming maniac. Only the poster can do that. Of course, a lot of rfc'ers are afraid of life, technology, and the future. They will cling tightly to their old newsreaders until it crumbles and turns to dust.

Pwincess Jill is just a self - absorbed, childish, and greedy DUMB FUCKING CUNT who
thinks EVERYTHING IN THE WORLD - even this group - should revolve around her...

She'd sooner suck a gangbanger's dirty uncircumsised cock than give up her pwecious "killfile"...

LOL...!!!

--
GM

[Mike Duffy]

On 2023-04-30, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> WE OFFER MONEY MAGIC WALLET
>
> I avoid the Most Common time Wasters

But Cindy! I have one of those magic wallets.

It starts out empty, but slowly fills up with
little reminders of money I owe someone.

[Dave Smith]

It's hard to say where all the spam is coming from because some servers
block a lot of it. I had a hotmail account for a while but ditched it
because of the overwhelming amount of spam. I could download mail and
get 40 or more new emails and all but one or two were spam. I imagine
that they dealt with that but I can't say for sure. I just gave up on them.

[jmcquown]

That's exactly what I'm saying. Thanks, Cindy!

Jill

[jmcquown]

He doesn't friggin know the differnece. Everything Google is alright.

Jill

[jmcquown]

On 4/30/2023 5:02 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 10:22:33 AM UTC-10, bruce bowser wrote:
>> On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 4:18:37 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
>>> On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 9:32:40 AM UTC-10, jmcquown wrote:
>>>> On 4/30/2023 3:19 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>> On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 2:03:15 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
>>>>>> Had to uninstall corrupt version the other day.
>>>>>> Then installed the newest version but I see it's really messing up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My headers are messed up and today...Many posts are all combined in one,
>>>>>> just my responses. WTH?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'll deal with this later
>>>>>
>>>>> You should install Google Groups on your computer.
>>>> Google Groups does not require "installation". Google Groups sucks. No
>>>> filters, no spam retardants. In fact, all the retarded SPAM that shows
>>>> up (both here and in anyone's email inbox) comes from Google Groupers
>>>> and people with gmail addresses.
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>> If you're implying that the posters of rfc using Google Groups are spamers, you're
>>> misinformed - as usual.

Please explain why I keep seeing stupid sexual crap from Google Groups
and gmail users. Explain why my filters effectively get rid of the
cross-posted crap that originates from Google and gmail. You can't
explain it because you espouse it.

Jill

[Bruce]

On Sun, 30 Apr 2023 18:12:29 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

Some people don't seem to realise that you're not obliged to open
every RFC post. If you already know the post is from a spammer or from
another quantité négligeable, just don't open it and don't read it.
There's no need for all this killfile pride, bunch of snowflake
sissies.

[Bruce]

On Sun, 30 Apr 2023 18:15:08 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

I think he's more computer savvy than you, Mother Superior.

[dsi1]

As it goes the spammers are completely unrelated to me or any number of Google Group posters - you just imply that it does. Well does it or don't it? You can't say because it doesn't fit in with your misrepresentation of Google Groups or Gmail.

[jmcquown]

Did I say they were related to you? No, I did not. Give it up. You
refuse to recognize where the SPAM and cross-posters and forgers are
coming from. Starts with a *g*.

Jill

[dsi1]

I know where the spam is coming from. Just don't associate my posts with spamers just because I'm using Google Groups. I shall assume that to be the case from now on.

[GM]

Princess Jill should "take a care on her head", as Unca Tojo might go " chop chop " to her silly head with his Samurai sword...!!!


https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/leonard-siffleet-sword-1943/

Leonard Siffleet about to be beheaded with a sword by a Japanese soldier, 1943

"Leonard Siffleet was an Australian Special Forces radio operator, sent on a mission to Papua New Guinea to establish a coast watching station.

In September 1943, his patrol was sent to Japanese-held New Guinea, to recon the Japanese forces stationed there. Siffleet and two other Australian soldiers were captured by local natives friendly to the Japanese and turned over to the Japanese.

All three men were interrogated, tortured, and confined for approximately two weeks before being taken down to Aitape Beach on the afternoon of 24 October 1943.

Bound and blindfolded, surrounded by Japanese and native onlookers, they were forced to the ground and executed by beheading, on the orders of Vice-Admiral Michiaki Kamada of the Imperial Japanese Navy. The officer who executed Siffleet, Yasuno Chikao, detailed a private to photograph him in the act..."


😎

--
GM

[Bruce]

On Sun, 30 Apr 2023 19:22:12 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

Georgia?

[Hank Rogers]

Now, or in da future, Tojo?

[Cindy Hamilton]

Do you have any evidence or did you just pull that out of your ass?

--
Cindy Hamilton

[Gary]

On 4/30/2023 11:15 AM, bruce bowser wrote:
> On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 8:45:09 AM UTC-4, jmcquown wrote:

>> On 4/30/2023 8:03 AM, Gary wrote:
>>> Had to uninstall corrupt version the other day.
>>> Then installed the newest version but I see it's really messing up.
>>>
>>> My headers are messed up and today...Many posts are all combined in one,
>>> just my responses. WTH?
>>>
>>> I'll deal with this later

>> This is why I don't let Thunderbird automatically update anything. Good
>> luck! (not being snarky)
>
> Jill, you mean Thunderbird the American classic fortified wine?

Isn't that the cheap stuff that winos buy?
I've always wanted to try a bottle just to see how it tastes.
I remember drinking Boone's Farm wine 100 years ago.

[Cindy Hamilton]

Why stop there?

http://www.bumwine.com/

> I remember drinking Boone's Farm wine 100 years ago.

Who the hell didn't?

I don't think I ever tried Thunderbird, but I know I've had MD 20/20
and Wild Irish Rose.

--
Cindy Hamilton

[Dave Smith]

My guess is that it is just another of his baseless guesses.

[Dave Smith]

It's a wonder the thought police have not attacked that label and being
racist of culturally insensitive. That thought occurred to be about 25
years ago when I went out to the west coast to visit some friends.
There was an opinion piece in the newspaper about a fortified wine named
Skana Red and the label contained an image of a totem pole. The author
was apparently trying to shame the makers of that wine and obviously
marketing it to native people. He figured that they were playing on the
native proclivity for consuming alcohol. I can't say that I disagree
with his opinion that they were aiming for the native market. I viewed
it from the perspective of the more liberal eastern Canada where a
public figure would not want to be got suggesting that the native people
have an alcohol problem.

[bruce bowser]

Are you also GM/Dave/Hank Rogers?

[Bruce]

On Mon, 1 May 2023 09:46:25 -0400, Dave Smith
<adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>On 2023-05-01 8:26 a.m., Gary wrote:
>> On 4/30/2023 11:15 AM, bruce bowser wrote:
>>
>>>>> I'll deal with this later
>>>> This is why I don't let Thunderbird automatically update anything. Good
>>>> luck! (not being snarky)
>>>
>>> Jill, you mean Thunderbird the American classic fortified wine?
>>
>> Isn't that the cheap stuff that winos buy?
>> I've always wanted to try a bottle just to see how it tastes.
>> I remember drinking Boone's Farm wine 100 years ago.
>>
>
>It's a wonder the thought police have not attacked that label and being
>racist of culturally insensitive. That thought occurred to be about 25
>years ago when I went out to the west coast to visit some friends.

Stop.

[Bruce]

No, I'm Bruce.

[Governor Swill]

On Sun, 30 Apr 2023 13:18:33 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
<dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:

>On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 9:32:40?AM UTC-10, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 4/30/2023 3:19 PM, dsi1 wrote:

>> > On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 2:03:15?AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
>> >> Had to uninstall corrupt version the other day.
>> >> Then installed the newest version but I see it's really messing up.
>> >>
>> >> My headers are messed up and today...Many posts are all combined in one,
>> >> just my responses. WTH?
>> >>
>> >> I'll deal with this later
>> >
>> > You should install Google Groups on your computer.
>> Google Groups does not require "installation". Google Groups sucks. No
>> filters, no spam retardants. In fact, all the retarded SPAM that shows
>> up (both here and in anyone's email inbox) comes from Google Groupers
>> and people with gmail addresses.
>>
>> Jill
>
>If you're implying that the posters of rfc using Google Groups are spamers, you're misinformed - as usual. I have no idea where you got that nutty idea from. That's like saying that people with driver's licenses are long haul truckers. The posters using Google Groups are posters. The spamers using Google Groups are spamers. What's so hard to understand about that?

The worst trolls use eternal-september to post and comcast for their
email. More killfiles are set for that than any other.

[jmcquown]

On 4/30/2023 5:32 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On 2023-04-30, dsi1 <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:

>> On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 9:32:40 AM UTC-10, jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 4/30/2023 3:19 PM, dsi1 wrote:

>>>> On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 2:03:15 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
>>>>> Had to uninstall corrupt version the other day.
>>>>> Then installed the newest version but I see it's really messing up.
>>>>>
>>>>> My headers are messed up and today...Many posts are all combined in one,
>>>>> just my responses. WTH?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll deal with this later
>>>>
>>>> You should install Google Groups on your computer.
>>> Google Groups does not require "installation". Google Groups sucks. No
>>> filters, no spam retardants. In fact, all the retarded SPAM that shows
>>> up (both here and in anyone's email inbox) comes from Google Groupers
>>> and people with gmail addresses.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> If you're implying that the posters of rfc using Google Groups are spamers,
>

I didn't imply that; he inferred it.

> No. She's saying that 99% of the spam that arrives in rfc has come
> through Google Groups, with a gmail.com return address. It's why I've
> blacklisted gmail.com addresses (and whitelisted the two or three
> that are legit rfc members).
>
> Let's see what has washed up recently.
> Buy automobile parts online
> How to avoid the Most Common Time Wasters
> A lot of crap about love spells
> WE OFFER MONEY MAGIC WALLET
>

> I avoid the Most Common time Wasters by not seeing any posts from
> unknown people with gmail addresses.
>

Exactly, Cindy. Even if that wasn't the case, Google is a crappy interface.

Jill

[Bruce]

On Mon, 1 May 2023 16:59:52 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

Princesses unite!

[GM]

You may bring bakery items and certain cheeses into the United States. The APHIS Web site features a Travelers Tips section and Game and Hunting Trophies section that offers extensive information about bringing food and other products into the U.S. Many prepared foods are admissible.

However, bush meat made from African wildlife and almost anything containing meat products, such as bouillon, soup mixes, etc., is not admissible.

As a general rule, condiments, vinegars, oils, packaged spices, honey, coffee and tea are admissible.

Because rice can often harbor insects, it is best to avoid bringing it into the United States. Some imported foods are also subject to requirements of the U.S. Food and Drug Administration.

--
GM

[Leonard Blaisdell]

On 2023-05-01, Cindy Hamilton <hami...@invalid.com> wrote:

> I don't think I ever tried Thunderbird, but I know I've had MD 20/20
> and Wild Irish Rose.

"You can't make a splash without a 'Ripple'". Best slogan ever! Then,
poof, it was gone.

[Sqwertz]

On Sun, 30 Apr 2023 08:44:58 -0400, jmcquown wrote:

> On 4/30/2023 8:03 AM, Gary wrote:
>> Had to uninstall corrupt version the other day.
>> Then installed the newest version but I see it's really messing up.
>>
>> My headers are messed up and today...Many posts are all combined in one,
>> just my responses.  WTH?
>>
>> I'll deal with this later
>

> This is why I don't let Thunderbird automatically update anything. Good
> luck! (not being snarky)

Its very hard to prevent Thunderbird from updating itself. You
must be getting nag screens twice a day, it wanting to install an
upgrade which it already downloaded...

I hate this trend of forced updates. Worse, they then go to great
lengths to make sure you can't thwart that process under the guise
of "It's better for you this way". Yeah, fuck you, too.

-sw

[Gary]

This is very true.
With Window 10 (vs Windows 7)
1) Microsoft forces you to update
2) Thunderbird constantly asks (several times a day)
3) Same thing with Firefox - constantly asks several times a day

There seems to be no way to "just say NO" once and be rid of the nagging.

[lucr...@florence.it]

As regards Windows updates, I had such a mess after an update once (me
and reportedly about 40,000 others) that my guru has set my machine so
that it only does the updates after they have been issued some 40
days. That satisfies MS plus if there is anything bad in it, it has
been solved by then. This is working far better then allowing the
updates when MS chooses.

[Mike Duffy]

On 2023-05-03, Gary wrote:

> This is very true.
> With Window 10 (vs Windows 7)
> 1) Microsoft forces you to update
> 2) Thunderbird constantly asks (several times a day)
> 3) Same thing with Firefox - constantly asks several times a day
>
> There seems to be no way to "just say NO"
> once and be rid of the nagging.

Linux has a way to put any particular update
into permanent abeyance.

[Cindy Hamilton]

It seems to me that the greatest trouble comes from waiting until
several updates have gone by and then updating.

Just get the updates as they're released and it's quite likely you won't
have any trouble at all.

--
Cindy Hamilton

[Bruce]

On Wed, 3 May 2023 08:07:47 -0400, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:

I accept all updates happily, thinking they'll fix something. I only
don't like the ones that add bloatware.

[Gary]

I might just give that a try soon.
I've never had trouble with the required MS10 updates.
I could just let TB and Firefox update automatically and
never have the constant asking again. See how it works out.

My only issue has been "If it ain't broken, don't fix it."


>

[Cindy Hamilton]

If they're fixing it, then it was broken--maybe in some way you
couldn't tell. Updates vanishingly rarely are just feature
enhancements.

--
Cindy Hamilton

[jmcquown]

I just got a Thunderbird Update request. I clicked to get more info
about it. One of the things they "fixed" is:

"Calendar events with timezone America/Mexico_City incorrectly applied
Daylight Savings Time". It's a fix, but it isn't necessary for everyone
who uses Thunderbird. I had no idea Mexico City was on Daylight Savings
time. LOL

Jill

[Cindy Hamilton]

One of the things. Did you look at the list of security fixes?

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/security/advisories/mfsa2023-15/

Some of those don't apply to you, of course, but here's a good one:

"Memory safety bugs fixed in Thunderbird 102.10."

"Some of these bugs showed evidence of memory corruption and we presume
that with enough effort some of these could have been exploited to run
arbitrary code."

"Arbitrary code" is geek-speak for viruses or other malware.

--
Cindy Hamilton

[Michael Trew]

On 5/3/2023 3:34 AM, Sqwertz wrote:

> On Sun, 30 Apr 2023 08:44:58 -0400, jmcquown wrote:
>
>> On 4/30/2023 8:03 AM, Gary wrote:
>>> Had to uninstall corrupt version the other day.
>>> Then installed the newest version but I see it's really messing up.
>>>
>>> My headers are messed up and today...Many posts are all combined in one,
>>> just my responses. WTH?
>>>
>>> I'll deal with this later
>>
>> This is why I don't let Thunderbird automatically update anything. Good
>> luck! (not being snarky)
>
> Its very hard to prevent Thunderbird from updating itself. You
> must be getting nag screens twice a day, it wanting to install an
> upgrade which it already downloaded...

I've never seen it do that before. Perhaps that was released in a newer
version. I unchecked the updates whatever setting years ago, and it has
been running smoothly for over a decade. Version 3.1.20

[Cindy Hamilton]

I'm running the latest Thunderbird: 102.10.0 (64-bit).

You're missing a whale of a lot of security updates. But if you want to
walk around the Internet with your pants down, go right ahead.

It's time for me to upgrade to a new version of Fedora. The one I'm
running will be end-of-lifed in 11 days.

Windows patches itself endlessly, and ends up being more patch than
anything else. No wonder it's unstable and buggy.

--
Cindy Hamilton

[bruce bowser]

They have so much off-the-books financing here in the US that it figures.

[Bruce]

Why do you all have so many computer problems? My Windows is very
stable and not buggy at all.

[Hank Rogers]

The safest thing on the planet is Lynx. I bet that's what you use?

[Cindy Hamilton]

Nope.

$ uname -a
Linux fedora 6.2.14-100.fc36.x86_64 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Mon May 1 00:54:35 UTC 2023 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux

I almost don't care what's under the hood, since I interact with the
desktop manager and bash.

--
Cindy Hamilton

[jmcquown]

Yep, it's geek-speak but I have Malware software and AV software, too.
Seems like every time Thunderbird installs an update it fubars some of
my file folder names in email. Not a big deal but I prefer to choose
when to install the updates rather than do automatic updates.

Jill

[Cindy Hamilton]

Sure. It requires you to keep up on your anti-malware software, too.
Michael didn't say, but a 10-year-old database in your anti-malware
software is nearly useless.

--
Cindy Hamilton

[jmcquown]

I do occasional Thunderbird updates but I don't find the need to click
on Update every time I'm prompted. I do read the release notes and make
the decision. I am surprised version 3.whatever still works.

Jill

[Bruce]

If all you do is play solitaire and post in RFC, you could do that on
dsi1's computer.

[Bruce]

On Sat, 6 May 2023 08:52:08 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

You have malware software? That's not good!

[Bruce]

On Sat, 6 May 2023 10:36:20 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

Lol. As if.

[bruce bowser]

Let the techie on the phone decide that, OK?

[Bruce]

When is malware software ever good?

[songbird]

Bruce wrote:
...

> When is malware software ever good?

i'm pretty sure some Ukrainians would consider it
good if the Ruskies all got infected with some rootkits.
i for one would probably also agree.


songbird

[dsi1]

You anti-malware programs are only as good as the latest updates. I used to be on that never ending merry-go-round. I got off that ride years ago. Oh, what a relief it is.

[jmcquown]

So your answer is Google. LOLOL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v553XndeczI

Jill

[Michael Trew]

On 5/5/2023 11:41, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On 2023-05-05, Michael Trew<michae...@att.net> wrote:
>>
>> I've never seen it do that before. Perhaps that was released in a newer
>> version. I unchecked the updates whatever setting years ago, and it has
>> been running smoothly for over a decade. Version 3.1.20
>
> I'm running the latest Thunderbird: 102.10.0 (64-bit).
>
> You're missing a whale of a lot of security updates. But if you want to
> walk around the Internet with your pants down, go right ahead.

LOL... I don't do anything sensitive like banking on the computer. I
use Thunderbird for personal E-mail and Usenet. They change the
interface on the new versions too much.

[Michael Trew]

Works like a charm... well, some E-mail messages glitch with an error
message depending on the content; the graphic ones from companies.
That's not enough reason for me to change up everything and deal with
more issues, though. I highly doubt I could just install an update to
version 100-something; I'd probably have to uninstall the whole thing
and mess up all of my E-mail and Usenet stuff.

[Cindy Hamilton]

On 2023-05-07, Michael Trew <michae...@att.net> wrote:
> On 5/5/2023 11:41, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On 2023-05-05, Michael Trew<michae...@att.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> I've never seen it do that before. Perhaps that was released in a newer
>>> version. I unchecked the updates whatever setting years ago, and it has
>>> been running smoothly for over a decade. Version 3.1.20
>>
>> I'm running the latest Thunderbird: 102.10.0 (64-bit).
>>
>> You're missing a whale of a lot of security updates. But if you want to
>> walk around the Internet with your pants down, go right ahead.
>
> LOL... I don't do anything sensitive like banking on the computer.

That's not the only risk from malware. Time to educate yourself.

> I
> use Thunderbird for personal E-mail and Usenet. They change the
> interface on the new versions too much.

The only constant is change. You'd better get used to it; you're
going to experience a lot of it in the decades to come.

--
Cindy Hamilton

[Ed P]

Can't imagine not doing it. Maybe once a year I write a paper check.
Maybe once a year I have to actually walk into the bank. I do use the
drive-up ATM.

I don't get many checks but when I do, the deposit is made with my phone.

[jmcquown]

I went to the bank last week. I got a check for the washing machine
repair from the home warranty company and went to deposit it. (I don't
have a phone with an app to deposit checks.) I do write checks to pay
the man who does the yard work.

Jill

[Graham]

I write cheques for my quarterly tax instalments and for my property tax.
I then take them to the bank. That way I have multiple paper trails in
case the authorities make any errors - which they have.

[Bruce]

Sounds very fuddy-duddy.

[Leonard Blaisdell]

On 2023-05-06, Bruce <Br...@invalid.invalid> wrote:


> When is malware software ever good?

When it weakens our enemies. Are you really that dense?

[Ed Pawlowski]

But we are someone's enemy

[Leonard Blaisdell]

It's the definition of a conundrum. I root for "us".

[Bruce]

On 8 May 2023 03:57:32 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell

I dunno. You snipped too much.

[Leonard Blaisdell]

Live with it. It's nice to see you're up. I'm about ready to cash in.

[Bruce]

On 8 May 2023 06:33:41 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell

<leobla...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 2023-05-08, Bruce <Br...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 8 May 2023 03:57:32 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
>><leobla...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On 2023-05-06, Bruce <Br...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> When is malware software ever good?
>>>
>>>
>>>When it weakens our enemies. Are you really that dense?
>>
>> I dunno. You snipped too much.
>
>
>Live with it. It's nice to see you're up. I'm about ready to cash in.
>

Goodnight.

[Michael Trew]

I go to the bank a minimum of twice per month, and write at least 8
checks per month. I don't like waiting in the drive up lane, because
they are usually slow, and it's fuel being wasted. The phone is for
phone calls only ;)

[Bruce]

On Sun, 7 May 2023 23:59:19 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.xxx> wrote:

>On 5/7/2023 11:57 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

>But we are someone's enemy

Who are you kidding? You're every country's enemy.

[Bruce]

On Tue, 09 May 2023 04:05:33 +1000, Bruce <Br...@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

That was fake Bruce.

[bruce bowser]

That's impossible. [Dat is onmogelijk].

[GM]

dsi1 wrote:

> On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 2:03:15 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> > Had to uninstall corrupt version the other day.
> > Then installed the newest version but I see it's really messing up.
> >
> > My headers are messed up and today...Many posts are all combined in one,
> > just my responses. WTH?
> >
> > I'll deal with this later

> You should install Google Groups on your computer. Come over to the Dark Side, Garry and together we can bring order to the Usenet-verse and rule together as father and son. Of course, I'm Darth Vader - you're just going to have to be Luke.


By best estimates, about $20 billion worth of oil was stolen from Nigeria in 2022 alone, a staggering sum on
its own, especially considering the Nigerian government only took in $22 billion in tax revenue that year.

The Nigerian government’s oil revenues dropped from 47% of the budget in 2017 to an annualized 7.4% in the
first half of 2022.

Mostly due to theft, oil as a total percentage of the economy fell from 13% in 2010 to under 6% in 2023.

So, despite having an enormous amount of oil, the Nigerian people see little benefit. Oil profits are basically
split between criminal gangs and corrupt politicians (but I repeat myself) who waste the oil money through
corrupt patronage networks.

But wait! Nigeria’s oil situation gets worse.

Nigeria imports nearly all of its fuel (ie. refined oil) today. Back in 2012, it imported 70%. This seems like a
terrible idea for a country that produces an enormous amount of oil. Crude oil is valuable, but refined oil is
more valuable (about 46% more valuable at the time of writing this).

Nigeria used to profitably refine most of its oil, but since at least the early 2010s, the Nigerian government’s
four massive oil refineries have almost completely been out of commission, not due to terrorism or natural
disasters, ***but due to lack of maintenance***.

Recall – Nigeria has at least 220 million people. Even with a huge proportion of them being dirt poor,
Nigerians still use a lot of fuel.

Hence, Nigeria’s lack of fuel self-sufficiency is an enormous unnecessary drain on the economy.

Nigeria exports pretty much all of its oil and then buys it right back as fuel because state-run companies were
too incompetent to maintain their own refineries.

--
GM

[bruce bowser]

On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 10:45:38 AM UTC-4, Michael Trew wrote:
> On 5/7/2023 12:54, Ed P wrote:
> > On 5/7/2023 10:30 AM, Michael Trew wrote:
> >> On 5/5/2023 11:41, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >>>
> >>> You're missing a whale of a lot of security updates. But if you want to
> >>> walk around the Internet with your pants down, go right ahead.
> >>
> >> LOL... I don't do anything sensitive like banking on the computer. I
> >> use Thunderbird for personal E-mail and Usenet. They change the
> >> interface on the new versions too much.
> >
> > Can't imagine not doing it. Maybe once a year I write a paper check.
> > Maybe once a year I have to actually walk into the bank. I do use the
> > drive-up ATM.
> >
> > I don't get many checks but when I do, the deposit is made with my phone.
>
> I go to the bank a minimum of twice per month,

I've been scripping and scrapping no where near enough to do something like that.