OT: Canada.

[Jeßus]

Any interest in a discussion here on Trudeau declaring martial law?

[GM]

On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 3:37:57 PM UTC-6, Jeßus wrote:
> Any interest in a discussion here on Trudeau declaring martial law?

YES.... it's shocking...

Not surprising, since his daddy supported Stalin, Castro, and also supported martial law when the Polish commies declared it in 1981 in response to Solidarity's rise...

What a clueless fucking foppish git Boi Justin is...

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GM

[Lucretia Borgia]

On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 08:37:38 +1100, Jeßus <j...@j.net> wrote:

>Any interest in a discussion here on Trudeau declaring martial law?

Since several premiers were doing such a piss poor job, he did it
because like many of us, our hearts go out to the people in Ottawa who
have to listen to those air horns all night. A 21 year old woman got
a court order to stop them, but they just ignored it.

Imagine if you had that going outside your windows all night??? Also
their freedom must not impinge anyone elses freedom, there are
limitations. You are not free to yell fire in a crowded cinema.

[Bryan Simmons]

And Jebus and Greg would have no problem if it were
some right-winger because then it would be for the
public good.

--Bryan

[Roughscale Snake]

On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 08:37:38 +1100, Jeßus <j...@j.net> wrote:

>Any interest in a discussion here on Trudeau declaring martial law?

Yeah, teach those redneck truckers a lesson in social behaviour.

[Roughscale Snake]

Yep :)

[GM]

https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/593983-free-speech-becomes-roadkill-in-the-crackdown-on-canadian-truckers

"...In the meantime, the government has demonized the convoy. Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau,
who praised truckers just two years ago as heroes, has denounced them as "trying to blockade our
economy, our democracy."

This is the same Trudeau who praised BLM protesters and stressed that "I have attended protests
and rallies in the past when I agreed with the goals, when I supported the people expressing their
concerns and their issues, Black Lives Matter is an excellent example of that."

Protesters are routinely arrested for blocking roads, of course, and Canada certainly can enforce its
public safety laws. But government responses, in the U.S. and now in Canada, seem heavily
dependent on protesters’ viewpoints — just as much of the media coverage of Canada’s trucker
movement could not contrast more strikingly with how protests across the U.S. in 2020 were
often reported. Back then, many of these same journalists praised the civil disobedience legacy
of the late congressman and civil rights icon John Lewis, who charged the next generation to
go out and make "good trouble."

What is most concerning now is the unwillingness to consider Canadian truckers as anything
other than knuckle-dragging, racist insurrectionists. Like so much in our age of rage, our political
opponents cannot be anything but caricatures or cutouts, because reason no longer has a
place in our national discourse. Yet it is precisely the isolation of dissenting voices and
groups that leads to such acts of disruption and disobedience.

Canada’s truckers obviously feel marginalized and dismissed by their government. That
feeling was magnified when Trudeau fled to a secure location and refused to meet with
them. Officials then threatened anyone giving aid or gas to the truckers.

The freezing of funds supporting the truckers laid bare the anti-free speech trend sweeping
across the world, including in the U.S. There is no principled basis for cutting off the ability
of citizens to support other citizens in a campaign of civil disobedience. Although ignored
by most in the media, the same claim used by the Trudeau government today could have
been used to freeze support for the civil rights era’s freedom marchers or for BLM
protesters in 2020..."

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[Hank Rogers]

Made me think back when the my pillow guy tried to get trump to
declare martial law. LOL

[GM]

Jeßus wrote:

> Any interest in a discussion here on Trudeau declaring martial law?

Great article here, some excerpts:

https://taibbi.substack.com/p/the-great-international-convoy-fiasco?r=6lo48

The Great International Convoy Fiasco

As America puts the Canadian Prime Minister's unmentionables in a vise over a truck protest, it's
clearer than ever: the world's leaders have forgotten how to govern

Matt Taibbi Feb 12 2022

"...Now that the “Freedom Convoy” is inspiring similar protests not just in the United States but in
France, Belgium, Australia, New Zealand, and other places, it’s clear every Western leader from
Biden to Emmanuel Macron on down wants Trudeau, rather than any of them, to take the political
hit that would ensue from any use-of-force resolution to this crisis. All of these leaders seem
equally to be laboring under the delusion that a decisive enough ass-kicking in the Great White
North will make this all go away. Until then, there seems to be no plan in any country that
doesn’t involve tear gas, truncheons, or getting Facebook to blame troll farms in Bangladesh
for stirring up the “discord”:..

As for talking to protesters, that’s out of the question. As Politico recently put it, the “conspiratorial
mindset” of the demonstrators means “sitting down with them could legitimize their concerns.” Since
we can’t under any circumstances have that, the only option left is the military “eventuality.” Or, as
former Obama Deputy Homeland Security Secretary and CNN analyst Juliette Kayyem (the same
person who went nanny-bonkers over the Southwest Air “Let’s Go Brandon” incident) put it, “Slash
the tires, empty gas tanks, arrest the drivers, and move the trucks.”

Any sane person should be able to see where any of these ideas would lead. The problem is, we’re
heading into our third decade of Western leaders embracing not thinking ahead as a core national
security concept. It’s like these people went to anti-governing school...

What’s happening in Canada and other countries seems less about specific demands than about
the general principle of being listened to. Leaders like Trudeau could likely make this thing go away
if they’d make even a slight gesture toward the idea that legitimate differences of opinion exist on
questions like mandates, vaccine passports, surveillance tracking, lockdowns, the vaccination of
children, and other matters. You don’t have to agree with people, just find a way to look at them
without betraying your profound regret they were ever born. The longer this convoy phenomenon
goes on, the clearer it becomes that none of the leaders involved knows how to do this. They’re
not choosing to govern without listening. They just don’t know any other way..."

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[Dave Smith]

On 2022-02-15 4:37 p.m., Je�us wrote:
> Any interest in a discussion here on Trudeau declaring martial law?

Probably not. It's not actually martial law. One thing it would allow is
something that I thought would be a good idea to get rid of the shit
disturbers who have blockaded the border. It seems that the operators
of the big wreckers don't want to get involved in towing away the
vehicles. I figure they don't need tow trucks. All they need is a
couple big fork lifts or front end loaders. To hell with toying them
away. The big trucks can be pushed over on their sides and shoved off
the road. The cars and pickups can be picked up by the fork lifts and
similarly dumped, possibly on their sides or upside down somewhere off
the side of the road.

They would not have to do it to many vehicles. Once people saw it
happening they would be quick to move.


I saw one of the protestors yapping about how he was there to protect
out constitutional rights. He had a bunch of religious stuff on his
signs so I am guessing he wasn't ever out there protesting for
constitutional rights for gay and trans people. One at the border
whined that they were doing it because people were losing their jobs.
There were more people losing their jobs as a result of the blockade
than from the pandemic mandates.

[Dave Smith]

On 2022-02-15 4:50 p.m., Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 08:37:38 +1100, Jeßus <j...@j.net> wrote:
>
>> Any interest in a discussion here on Trudeau declaring martial law?
>
> Since several premiers were doing such a piss poor job, he did it
> because like many of us, our hearts go out to the people in Ottawa who
> have to listen to those air horns all night. A 21 year old woman got
> a court order to stop them, but they just ignored it.
>

It's too bad that the citizens of Ottawa don't know who easy it is to
disable an air horn. Get yourself a nice big hammer and whack the horn
hard enough to break it. You can also do it without climbing on the
truck. They have air tanks that are attached to the frame and sit on
either the left or right side of the truck. At the bottom of the tank,
either on the end or underneath, there is a petcock to drain the air. A
good hard whack with a hammer will snap that off. The air will drain in
seconds and the truck won't be going anywhere until it is replaced.

> Imagine if you had that going outside your windows all night??? Also
> their freedom must not impinge anyone elses freedom, there are
> limitations. You are not free to yell fire in a crowded cinema.

I have seen coverage from Ottawa that had interviews with the owner of a
trucking company that is not too far from me. I have considered driving
down to his house some night and sitting on the road blasting my horn.
I won't have to stay long. I can take off when they come out to check
out the noise... and return about an hour later.

[bruce bowser]

Trudeau is in control. Trudeau knows what he's doing. He doesn't need your help or Matt Taibbi's.

[GM]

Maybe he should "confer" with Nancy Lugosi, bb...???

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GM

[Lucretia Borgia]

At the beginning when he refused to meet with them, he did them a
favour, he had been diagnosed with Covid. That's the problem with you
hard right people, had he met with them and some were infected, you
now would be yelling about a plot to kill as many as possible with
Covid!

I was a protestor in my youth, mainly Ban the Bomb and Anti-Apartheid,
but we always aimed not to make trouble, such as the truckers are
doing for local residents, nor did we ransack stores etc. That way
our opinions were heard and the police were kind, but firm, with us
and we did not hassle them either.

Somehow people sitting around in hot tubs on the street and dragging
their kids along with them don't strike me as people I want to hear
from. I admire truckers, the ones doing their jobs trucking
everything and still at it, but look closely and you will see most of
the Ottawa ones are pickup trucks. Even the truckers union has come
out and acknowledged that they have been sucked in and the ones in
Ottawa do not represent the majority.

[Lucretia Borgia]

Go for it! I can't imagine what it must be like for the poor devils
in Ottawa, I believe that constant noise could have very serious
effects on ones brain.

[Dave Smith]

>
> At the beginning when he refused to meet with them, he did them a
> favour, he had been diagnosed with Covid.

How convenient that he supposedly tested positive for Covid a couple
days before the expected protest. It gave him an excuse not to have to
meet with a group of people who despise him. He just pointed out there
were some Confederate flags and swatikas and portrayed the entire group
as racists.

>That's the problem with you
> hard right people, had he met with them and some were infected, you
> now would be yelling about a plot to kill as many as possible with
> Covid!

"Your hard right people?" Really?? I guess that sets you right down
there at his level, dismissing my concerns with that absurd label.

I sympathize with them only as far appreciating their sense of
frustration over the PM dismissing them as extreme right wing and racist
and dismissing their concerns.

I am more upset about his refusal to confront them and to sanction the
use of more force. He has been more of a follower than a leader
throughout this. It wasn't that long ago that he tried to shame Ontario
Premier Ford for not imposing a vaccine passport like a couple other
provinces had when he himself had refused to mandate a vaccine passport.
He had said that it would be too divisive. Yes, it was divisive, but it
was hypocritical of him to try to shame Ford for being reluctant to do
something that he had refused to do himself.

The cops have been faulted for not upholding the law and using more
force to break this up. You only have to look at the way cops have been
thrown under the bus for doing the government's bidding and things go
south, like Ipperwash, Oka and the G20 summit in Toronto. Look at the
land dispute in Caledonia. The police took a long time before the
raided the native stronghold to serve papers. The finally did one day in
the early hours and by the time the 7am news came on the radio our
(Liberal) premier was already being quoted as saying he had nothing to
do with ordering the raid.

>
> Somehow people sitting around in hot tubs on the street and dragging
> their kids along with them don't strike me as people I want to hear
> from. I admire truckers, the ones doing their jobs trucking
> everything and still at it, but look closely and you will see most of
> the Ottawa ones are pickup trucks. Even the truckers union has come
> out and acknowledged that they have been sucked in and the ones in
> Ottawa do not represent the majority.

I will admit that I think that it is really low for Islamist terror
groups to hide in schools and mosques and to hide behind women and
children so that the people battling them are made to look bad when
innocent civilians are killed. That is the same thing these thugs are
acting. A little tear gas would go a long way to clearing our the
encampment, but the shit will hit the fan if children suffer.

[Michael Trew]

I hadn't heard about that. How crazy! I'm glad that I don't live
there, because I wouldn't stand that insanity. I'd probably get in
trouble for vandalizing the trucks blaring the horns.

https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/hearing-into-lawsuit-to-stop-convoy-horns-in-ottawa-adjourned-to-monday-1.5769527

[GM]

You have to realize, Michael, that you are citing Canadian leftist "state propaganda", the Canadian MSM gets hundreds of millions in funding every year *from* the lie - beral Canadian " powers - that - be"...

So read "judiciously" - as one would with the old Soviet 'Pravda' or East German 'Neues Deutschland' - or the present - day 'NY Times', 'Washington Post', etc...

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GM

[Gary]

Brave Dave Smith wrote:
> It's too bad that the citizens of Ottawa don't know who easy it is to
> disable an air horn.  Get yourself a nice big hammer and whack the horn
> hard enough to break it.  You can also do it without climbing on the
> truck. They have air tanks that are attached to the frame and sit on
> either the left or right side of the truck. At the bottom of the tank,
> either on the end or underneath, there is a petcock to drain the air. A
> good hard whack with a hammer will snap that off. The air will drain in
> seconds and the truck won't be going anywhere until it is replaced.

And then the trucker will climb out of his cab and beat the hell out of
you with your own hammer? Good plan, Dave.

[Lucretia Borgia]

It would help if you understood the divisions between Federal and
Provincial. I can imagine what would happen if Trudeau ordered the
RCMP to clear some demonstrators in PQ!

[Lucretia Borgia]

There were some, right at the beginning,who were annoyed by residents
yelling at them who started a fire in the lobby of an apartment
building. Fortunately it was quickly spotted and extinguishers were
used as the fire truck couldn't get through.

I don't seriously think all this is done by the truckers, they are
being used.

[Lucretia Borgia]

You should be careful, I rarely watch CTV, it's a totally conservative
minded outlet, something like Fox.

[GM]

Oh dear, can't have anything that deviates even a bit from "the party line"...

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GM

[Lucretia Borgia]

On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 04:38:16 -0800 (PST), GM

Clearly you don't understand that some channels are hard right or hard
left because of who owns them usually.

I used to love David Frum's mother Barbara on CBC radio years ago. In
the midst of the abortion issue she remained so level I couldn't tell
which way she herself leaned. Only learned after her death when her
treacherous son wrote a book about her which claimed she was anti
abortion. I wish all reporters could remember not to infuse their
broadcasts with personal opinions.

[GM]

Here is the CBC's definition of "freedom" - and no, this is not a "jape" :-)

"Freedom is a slippery concept..."

Change some wording and terms and this could have come from *any* totalitarian
regime... Orwell would have a field day with this... also Bull Connor or King George III
or any number of atrocious creeps...

I greatly admire Canada, the world owes Canada a great debt for their bravery and sacrifices in
two world wars. Canada is a peaceful and prosperous state, amongst the very first rank of "Good
Citizens" of nations, but ***this*** ...!!!

PS: and who are these "experts" - and whose *payroll* are they on...???

Excerpts here, click the link for the full article:

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/checkup/what-s-your-reaction-to-the-ottawa-standoff-and-the-border-blockades-1.6349636/why-the-word-freedom-is-such-a-useful-rallying-cry-for-protesters-1.6349865

Why the word 'freedom' is such a useful rallying cry for protesters

The word has become common among far-right groups, experts say
CBC Radio · Posted: Feb 13, 2022

As demonstrations against COVID-19 restrictions continue across Canada, the word freedom i
s on the lips and placards of many protesters.

Often associated with protests and rallies in the United States, the term has taken hold among
protesters who are part of the Freedom Convoy, which rolled into Ottawa in late January and
has become entrenched in the city's downtown.

For many, freedom is a malleable term — one that's open to interpretation.

That flexibility, in part, has fuelled its growth among certain groups, said Barbara Perry, director
of the Centre on Hate, Bias and Extremism at the Oshawa-based Ontario Tech University.

"It is a term that has resonated…. You can define it and understand it and sort of manipulate it
in a way that makes sense to you and is useful to you, depending on your perspective," she told
Cross Country Checkup.

It's also a term that has thrived among far-right groups, said Perry, one of a number of experts
who say the presence of far-right groups in Canada is growing.

...

Convoy protesters are calling for an end to all vaccine mandates, as well as other pandemic-related
restrictions. Canada Unity — one of the main organizing groups behind the protests — says on
its website that it's committed to "upholding freedom of choice" for Canadians.

Evan Balgord, executive director of the Canadian Anti-Hate Network, says the way many
protesters frame their calls for freedom renders the word meaningless — and what they're
really asking for is a shift in government policy that could potentially have a negative
impact on others.

"When they're yelling they care so much about their freedom, they're taking freedoms away
from other people who don't have the same kind of agency and choice that they do," he said.

...

Concept of freedom can be used to reject equality

To see the word freedom bandied about as part of these protests points to a broader circulation
of what Elisabeth Anker calls "violent" forms of freedom.

"Freedom is a slippery concept," said Anker, an associate professor of political science at
George Washington University and author of Ugly Freedoms, which examines the history
of how freedom, as a concept, has been used in American society.

"On the far right, [individual freedom] is often translated into somebody who refuses to
be bound by norms of equality, treating all people equally or norms to remedy inequality,
whether that's trying to remedy racial discrimination or gender discrimination."

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[Lucretia Borgia]

On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 06:13:13 -0800 (PST), GM

<gregorymorr...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 04:38:16 -0800 (PST), GM
>> <gregorymorr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>

Snippage for brevity

I was not against the convoys - UNTIL they started imposing on other
peoples freedoms. Freedom to get a nights sleep, freedom to travel
to work in the a.m. safely, freedoms that we can normally just take
for granted. Many 'real' truckers lost a lot of money when they
couldn't transport stuff between our countries because the 'freedom'
group were blocking borders.

Like many Canadians I have lived in countries that were far from
'free' and feel these idiots don't realise what they have and that in
order to keep it, it has to be protected from them!

[Mike Duffy]

On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 07:56:50 -0400, Lucretia Borgia wrote:

> It would help if you understood the divisions between Federal and
> Provincial. I can imagine what would happen if Trudeau ordered the
> RCMP to clear some demonstrators in PQ!

Dave, you need to do some serious work on pragmatic dramatization. For
example, your hypothetical example should include the Queen being in town
for a visit to model the new headgear for female provincial court
officers which looks like a cross between Sister Bertrille's hat and a
hijab.

[Mike Duffy]

On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 08:01:25 -0400, Lucretia Borgia wrote:

> I don't seriously think all this is done by the truckers, they are being
> used.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/feb/15/canadian-police-seize-
weapons-arrest-13-border-cro/

In Alberta, they dismantled their blockade and went home after realizing
that extremists were using them as cover for planned violence & mayhem.

[Graham]

Bollocks!!! It was the threat of having their licences and insurances
revoked and their bank accounts frozen!

[Mike Duffy]

On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 08:16:20 -0700, Graham wrote:

> Bollocks!!! It was the threat of having their licences and insurances
> revoked and their bank accounts frozen!

I believe it is in Ontario where the authorities plan that. In any case
the legislation is not yet in place to make such threats presently viable.

Also, I saw interviews with a few of them. Plus I saw photos of all the
guns & ammo and armour vests. Probably some were just scared to be in
proximity with others who have such inclinations.

Think of the children!

[Dave Smith]

It might help if you understood that is a ridiculous response to what I
wrote. It's okay. I understand. You always seem to have trouble
expressing cogent arguments so you resort to a cheap ad hominem. You
don't like me pointing out what a hypocritical nitwit our prime minister
is so you label me an extreme right winger and say I don't understand
jurisdiction, a word that would have been more relevant if you knew what
it meant.

He was a weasel about the vaxxine passport. He would not introduce a
document that could set standards and be used across the country.
Provinces could have mandated that document ... or not. He did not have
to mandate the requirement, just establish the standard. He could have
led from the top. He left it to the provinces to do on their own, each
one developing their own system. He then chided Ford publicly for not
having done it despite his own refusal to lead the way. He waited for
Ford to do it and only then, after all the provinces had their own
system did he mandate it use federally.

This is a guy who shut down the land borders to non essential travel but
allowed international flights back and forth from Covid hotpots like India.

[Dave Smith]

On 2022-02-16 8:33 a.m., Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 04:38:16 -0800 (PST), GM

>> Oh dear, can't have anything that deviates even a bit from "the party line"...
>
> Clearly you don't understand that some channels are hard right or hard
> left because of who owns them usually.
>
> I used to love David Frum's mother Barbara on CBC radio years ago. In
> the midst of the abortion issue she remained so level I couldn't tell
> which way she herself leaned. Only learned after her death when her
> treacherous son wrote a book about her which claimed she was anti
> abortion. I wish all reporters could remember not to infuse their
> broadcasts with personal opinions.

She was had a lot of credibility. The CBC was a great broadcaster back
then. It has since lost all journalistic integrity and lost all
credibility. It pushes a very limited and very left leaning agenda. It
has become the propaganda wing of the Liberal Party of Canada, thanks to
Trudeau's promises to restore funding. Trudeau has also bought the
support of the major newspapers with hundreds of millions of dollars in
subsidies to help the print media adjust to their dinosaurs being
replaced by digital news sources.

[Dave Smith]

What sorts of idiots take children to protests, especially those where
they threaten to fight off the police. They are hiding behind women and
children. In one news clip saw a protestor in a mobility scooter. I can
imagine the shit hitting the fan if things got violent and he got hurt.
They would be running to the CBC or the Star to organize a public pity
party for some vulnerable guy who got injured in a police action. If
they are vulnerable they should not be there.

[bruce bowser]

Trudeau and the CBC's task is to reduce exposure to Covid. Not to enrich truckers while exposing everyone else to more and more Covid.

[Lucretia Borgia]

On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 10:48:30 -0500, Dave Smith

You're accusing me of ad hominen?? Wow!!! What a projection!

[Lucretia Borgia]

An off topic aside - love it when you say Bollocks - reminds me of
David, big navy saying :-Ş

[Dave Smith]

Okay... there's another word that you don't understand. Yes, he is a
hypocritical nitwit, but I explained why and gave examples. Like him,
you choose to dismiss valid complaints with unfounded accusations of
political affiliation.

[Lump Charcoal]

On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 4:37:57 PM UTC-5, Jeßus wrote:
> Any interest in a discussion here on Trudeau declaring martial law?

There is no martial law here. Trudeau invoked the Emergency Measures Act in response to the bullying tactics used by the occupying thugs. These so called protests are anything but. They are not about freedom at all. These shit disturbers are interested only in themselves, and do not care about the freedoms of the citizens/people whose lives they are seriously disrupting.

[Bryan Simmons]

Years ago, there was an anti-abortion demonstration,
and the religios had their kids out there. If they want
to bring their kids out onto the front lines of the
culture war, OK.

I told their kids that sex is fun. It is the funnest thing
in the world--better than candy or ice cream. I told
the kids that their parents were jealous because sex
is so much better when you are a teenager than when
you get old. I said stuff like: *Your parents see your
friends, and they want to have sex with them.* and
*Every day you wait to have sex is a wasted day of
your life.* and *Your parents are lying to you about
God, just like they lied to you about Santa Claus.*

Those counter demonstrations against the "Life
Chain" events led to the *Coat Hanger Days*
lyrics. Here's something I posted to alt.punk
almost 23 years ago:

________________________
The next time I see one of you anti-abortion protesters out there with
your children, I'm going to stop and go over to you and explain to you
MY plan for reducing abortions. That is to HAVE MORE ORAL SEX! I will
explain very thoroughly that the reason people have sex is because it is
more fun than anything in the world. Anybody who hasn't tried it just
doesn't know what they're missing! But regular sex can make the woman
get pregnant, and people should only have the kind of sex that causes
babies to be made if they REALLY want a baby. Otherwise, they can still
have a lot of fun by having oral sex, which doesn't get you pregnant.
I'll explain that oral sex is when the woman puts the man's penis in her
mouth, and that it feels really good and that guys really like girls who
do that to them. Boys usually break up with girls who don't have oral
sex with them, just ask people. They'll tell you. Even the President
of the United States likes oral sex. That Monica girl put his penis in
her mouth and made him very happy. Also, there's the oral sex where the
boy kisses the girl's vagina. Girls like that more than anything in the
world because it feels so good. If everybody would just have lots of
oral sex, then there would be less unwanted pregnancies, so there would
be less abortions.
If you don't want your kids to hear my point of view. GET THEM THE HELL
OFF THE FRONT LINES OF THE CULTURE WAR. I have just as much right to
offer my opinion in public as you do. This is going to be fun. Maybe
I'll even bring some nice illustrations, carefully censored to conform
with YOUR laws about obscenity.

This isn't primarily about abortion. It's the Culture War and I am your
worst enemy.
--Bryan, from a post to alt.punk, Apr 25, 1999
________________________

My idea for my next sign:

Side A:
JESUS HAD THE
YUMMIEST PENIS

Side B:
WHEN YOU DO IT WITH
YOUR BOYFRIEND,
IMAGINE THAT YOU'RE
DOING IT WITH JESUS

--Bryan

[Crowned Snake]

Are you seriously warning Greg about conservative media? If they
didn't exist, Greg would invent them.

[Crowned Snake]

On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 08:01:25 -0400, Lucretia Borgia

Any kind of demonstration, these days, attracts almost-professional
rioters who don't care about the cause, but just want to have some
"fun".

[Crowned Snake]

We Dutch have a saying about froggers like yoos, which is KILL YOURSELF
you loser. no friends no real job no money no sex and no hope for the
future. Loser. Ghe Ghe Ghe.

[Crowned Snake]

[Crowned Snake]

Uhm Yes. Ghe Ghe Ghe :)))))))))))

[Crowned Snake]

[Crowned Snake]

Dave Smith wrote:
>
>>
>> At the beginning when he refused to meet with them, he did them a
>> favour, he had been diagnosed with Covid.
>
> How convenient that he supposedly tested positive for Covid a couple
> days before the expected protest. It gave him an excuse not to have to
> meet with a group of people who despise him. He just pointed out there
> were some Confederate flags and swatikas and portrayed the entire group
> as racists.
>
> >That's the problem with you
>> hard right people, had he met with them and some were infected, you
>> now would be yelling about a plot to kill as many as possible with
>> Covid!
>
> "Your hard right people?"  Really??  I guess that sets you right down
> there at his level, dismissing my concerns with that absurd label.
>
> I sympathize with them only as far appreciating their sense of
> frustration over the PM dismissing them as extreme right wing and racist
> and dismissing their concerns.
>
> I am more upset about his refusal to confront them and to sanction the
> use of more force.  He has been more of a follower than a leader
> throughout this.  It wasn't that long ago that he tried to shame Ontario
> Premier Ford for not imposing a vaccine passport like a couple other
> provinces had when he himself had refused to mandate a vaccine passport.
> He had said that it would be too divisive.  Yes, it was divisive, but it
> was hypocritical of him to try to shame Ford for being reluctant to do
> something that he had refused to do himself.
>
> The cops have been faulted for not upholding the law and using more
> force to break this up. You only have to look at the way cops have been
> thrown under the bus for doing the government's  bidding and things go
> south, like Ipperwash,  Oka and the G20 summit in Toronto. Look at the
> land dispute in Caledonia.  The police took a long time before the
> raided the native stronghold to serve papers. The finally did one day in
> the early hours and by the time the 7am news came on the radio our
> (Liberal) premier was already being quoted as saying he had nothing to
> do with ordering the raid.
>
>
>
>>
>> Somehow people sitting around in hot tubs on the street and dragging

>> their kids along with them don't strike me as people I want to hear
>> from.  I admire truckers, the ones doing their jobs trucking
>> everything and still at it, but look closely and you will see most of
>> the Ottawa ones are pickup trucks.   Even the truckers union has come
>> out and acknowledged that they have been sucked in and the ones in
>> Ottawa do not represent the majority.
>
>
> I will admit that I think that it is really low for Islamist terror
> groups to hide in schools and mosques and to hide behind women and
> children so that the people battling them are made to look bad when
> innocent civilians are killed. That is the same thing these thugs are
> acting. A little tear gas would go a long way to clearing our the
> encampment, but the shit will hit the fan if children suffer.
>

[Lump Charcoal]

Correction: This act is known as the 'Emergencies Act'.

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Ghe? Uhm, can you go into more detail? I don't get it

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GM wrote:
> Lucretia Borgia wrote:

>
>> On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 04:38:16 -0800 (PST), GM
>> <gregorymorr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>>

>>>> On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 22:29:59 -0800 (PST), GM
>>>> <gregorymorr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 11:51:46 PM UTC-6, Michael Trew wrote:

>>>>>> On 2/15/2022 16:50, Lucretia Borgia wrote:

>>>>>>> On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 08:37:38 +1100, Jeßus<j...@j.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Any interest in a discussion here on Trudeau declaring martial law?
>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Since several premiers were doing such a piss poor job, he did it
>>>>>>> because like many of us, our hearts go out to the people in Ottawa who
>>>>>>> have to listen to those air horns all night. A 21 year old woman got
>>>>>>> a court order to stop them, but they just ignored it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Imagine if you had that going outside your windows all night??? Also
>>>>>>> their freedom must not impinge anyone elses freedom, there are
>>>>>>> limitations. You are not free to yell fire in a crowded cinema.

>>>>>> I hadn't heard about that. How crazy! I'm glad that I don't live
>>>>>> there, because I wouldn't stand that insanity. I'd probably get in
>>>>>> trouble for vandalizing the trucks blaring the horns.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/hearing-into-lawsuit-to-stop-convoy-horns-in-ottawa-adjourned-to-monday-1.5769527
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You have to realize, Michael, that you are citing Canadian leftist "state propaganda", the Canadian MSM gets hundreds of millions in funding every year *from* the lie - beral Canadian " powers - that - be"...
>>>>>
>>>>> So read "judiciously" - as one would with the old Soviet 'Pravda' or East German 'Neues Deutschland' - or the present - day 'NY Times', 'Washington Post', etc...
>>>> You should be careful, I rarely watch CTV, it's a totally conservative
>>>> minded outlet, something like Fox.
>>>
>>>

>>> Oh dear, can't have anything that deviates even a bit from "the party line"...
>> Clearly you don't understand that some channels are hard right or hard
>> left because of who owns them usually.
>>
>> I used to love David Frum's mother Barbara on CBC radio years ago. In
>> the midst of the abortion issue she remained so level I couldn't tell
>> which way she herself leaned. Only learned after her death when her
>> treacherous son wrote a book about her which claimed she was anti
>> abortion. I wish all reporters could remember not to infuse their
>> broadcasts with personal opinions.
>
>

> Here is the CBC's definition of "freedom" - and no, this is not a "jape" :-)
>
> "Freedom is a slippery concept..."
>
> Change some wording and terms and this could have come from *any* totalitarian
> regime... Orwell would have a field day with this... also Bull Connor or King George III
> or any number of atrocious creeps...
>
> I greatly admire Canada, the world owes Canada a great debt for their bravery and sacrifices in
> two world wars. Canada is a peaceful and prosperous state, amongst the very first rank of "Good
> Citizens" of nations, but ***this*** ...!!!
>
> PS: and who are these "experts" - and whose *payroll* are they on...???
>
> Excerpts here, click the link for the full article:
>
> https://www.cbc.ca/radio/checkup/what-s-your-reaction-to-the-ottawa-standoff-and-the-border-blockades-1.6349636/why-the-word-freedom-is-such-a-useful-rallying-cry-for-protesters-1.6349865
>
> Why the word 'freedom' is such a useful rallying cry for protesters
>
> The word has become common among far-right groups, experts say
> CBC Radio · Posted: Feb 13, 2022
>
> As demonstrations against COVID-19 restrictions continue across Canada, the word freedom i
> s on the lips and placards of many protesters.
>
> Often associated with protests and rallies in the United States, the term has taken hold among
> protesters who are part of the Freedom Convoy, which rolled into Ottawa in late January and
> has become entrenched in the city's downtown.
>
> For many, freedom is a malleable term — one that's open to interpretation.
>
> That flexibility, in part, has fuelled its growth among certain groups, said Barbara Perry, director
> of the Centre on Hate, Bias and Extremism at the Oshawa-based Ontario Tech University.
>
> "It is a term that has resonated…. You can define it and understand it and sort of manipulate it
> in a way that makes sense to you and is useful to you, depending on your perspective," she told
> Cross Country Checkup.
>
> It's also a term that has thrived among far-right groups, said Perry, one of a number of experts
> who say the presence of far-right groups in Canada is growing.
>
> ...
>
> Convoy protesters are calling for an end to all vaccine mandates, as well as other pandemic-related
> restrictions. Canada Unity — one of the main organizing groups behind the protests — says on
> its website that it's committed to "upholding freedom of choice" for Canadians.
>
> Evan Balgord, executive director of the Canadian Anti-Hate Network, says the way many
> protesters frame their calls for freedom renders the word meaningless — and what they're
> really asking for is a shift in government policy that could potentially have a negative
> impact on others.
>
> "When they're yelling they care so much about their freedom, they're taking freedoms away
> from other people who don't have the same kind of agency and choice that they do," he said.
>
> ...
>
> Concept of freedom can be used to reject equality
>
> To see the word freedom bandied about as part of these protests points to a broader circulation
> of what Elisabeth Anker calls "violent" forms of freedom.
>
> "Freedom is a slippery concept," said Anker, an associate professor of political science at
> George Washington University and author of Ugly Freedoms, which examines the history
> of how freedom, as a concept, has been used in American society.
>
> "On the far right, [individual freedom] is often translated into somebody who refuses to
> be bound by norms of equality, treating all people equally or norms to remedy inequality,
> whether that's trying to remedy racial discrimination or gender discrimination."
>
> </>

[Jeßus]

On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 06:37:26 -0500, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:

>Brave Dave Smith wrote:
>> It's too bad that the citizens of Ottawa don't know who easy it is to
>> disable an air horn.  Get yourself a nice big hammer and whack the horn
>> hard enough to break it.  You can also do it without climbing on the
>> truck. They have air tanks that are attached to the frame and sit on
>> either the left or right side of the truck. At the bottom of the tank,
>> either on the end or underneath, there is a petcock to drain the air. A
>> good hard whack with a hammer will snap that off. The air will drain in
>> seconds and the truck won't be going anywhere until it is replaced.
>
>And then the trucker will climb out of his cab and beat the hell out of
>you with your own hammer? Good plan, Dave.

Yes, a bit short-sighted. Doing that would only guarantee violence.
They tried taking away their fuel, but members of the public just
brought them more anyway. I certainly do not condone it, but freezing
bank accounts is likely the most effective strategy, which is no what
they're doing, Welcome to the social credit system in Canada. it has
arrived.

Ironic how the working class has organized and is protesting against
tyranny, but this time it doesn't suit Trudeau.

[Jeßus]

On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 17:39:47 -0500, Dave Smith
<adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>On 2022-02-15 4:37 p.m., Je?us wrote:
>> Any interest in a discussion here on Trudeau declaring martial law?
>

>Probably not. It's not actually martial law.

It is in fact martial law, only Canada refers to it as 'PART IIPublic
Order Emergency'.

>One thing it would allow is
>something that I thought would be a good idea to get rid of the shit
>disturbers who have blockaded the border. It seems that the operators
>of the big wreckers don't want to get involved in towing away the
>vehicles. I figure they don't need tow trucks. All they need is a
>couple big fork lifts or front end loaders. To hell with toying them
>away. The big trucks can be pushed over on their sides and shoved off
>the road. The cars and pickups can be picked up by the fork lifts and
>similarly dumped, possibly on their sides or upside down somewhere off
>the side of the road.

That would be a very stupid thing to do, very short sighted. Unless
you want violence of course. And the Trudeau government would love
that to happen.

>They would not have to do it to many vehicles. Once people saw it
>happening they would be quick to move.

I think you'd find the exact opposite by the majority of them.

>I saw one of the protestors yapping about how he was there to protect
>out constitutional rights. He had a bunch of religious stuff on his
>signs so I am guessing he wasn't ever out there protesting for
>constitutional rights for gay and trans people. One at the border
>whined that they were doing it because people were losing their jobs.
>There were more people losing their jobs as a result of the blockade
>than from the pandemic mandates.

You seem to focus on the ones that particularly irritate you.

And if your source is TV, then you're only going to get one side of
the story. Same in Australia, last weekend we had a madate protest in
Canberra. The media claimed they were all conspiracy theorists and
antivaxxers, and that there were only 10000 to 30000 protesters.
Canberra police counted 1.4 million cars enter Canberra that day, an
extraordinary number of people. Our population is 26 million and 1.5-3
million Australians travelled across the country to Canberra on that
day. But look at the mainstream media and you would never know.
There is drone footage out there that clearly shows millions
protesting on the day.

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On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 07:03:05 +1100, Jeßus <j...@j.net> wrote:

>And if your source is TV, then you're only going to get one side of
>the story. Same in Australia, last weekend we had a madate protest in
>Canberra. The media claimed they were all conspiracy theorists and
>antivaxxers, and that there were only 10000 to 30000 protesters.
>Canberra police counted 1.4 million cars enter Canberra that day, an
>extraordinary number of people. Our population is 26 million and 1.5-3
>million Australians travelled across the country to Canberra on that
>day. But look at the mainstream media and you would never know.
>There is drone footage out there that clearly shows millions
>protesting on the day.

LOL, get real. Millions... lol.

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Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 10:48:30 -0500, Dave Smith
> <adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-02-16 6:56 a.m., Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>> On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 23:00:59 -0500, Dave Smith
>>> <adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>> mehow people sitting around in hot tubs on the street and dragging
>>>>> their kids along with them don't strike me as people I want to hear
>>>>> from. I admire truckers, the ones doing their jobs trucking
>>>>> everything and still at it, but look closely and you will see most of
>>>>> the Ottawa ones are pickup trucks. Even the truckers union has come
>>>>> out and acknowledged that they have been sucked in and the ones in
>>>>> Ottawa do not represent the majority.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I will admit that I think that it is really low for Islamist terror
>>>> groups to hide in schools and mosques and to hide behind women and
>>>> children so that the people battling them are made to look bad when
>>>> innocent civilians are killed. That is the same thing these thugs are
>>>> acting. A little tear gas would go a long way to clearing our the
>>>> encampment, but the shit will hit the fan if children suffer.
>>>
>>> It would help if you understood the divisions between Federal and
>>> Provincial. I can imagine what would happen if Trudeau ordered the
>>> RCMP to clear some demonstrators in PQ!
>>
>> It might help if you understood that is a ridiculous response to what I

>> wrote. It's okay. IUhm Yes. Ghe Ghe Ghe :))))))))))) understand. You always seem to have trouble

>> expressing cogent arguments so you resort to a cheap ad hominem. You
>> don't like me pointing out what a hypocritical nitwit our prime minister
>> is so you label me an extreme right winger and say I don't understand
>> jurisdiction, a word that would have been more relevant if you knew what
>> it meant.
>>
>> He was a weasel about the vaxxine passport. He would not introduce a
>> document that could set standards and be used across the country.
>> Provinces could have mandated that document ... or not. He did not have
>> to mandate the requirement, just establish the standard. He could have
>> led from the top. He left it to the provinces to do on their own, each
>> one developing their own system. He then chided Ford publicly for not
>> having done it despite his own refusal to lead the way. He waited for
>> Ford to do it and only then, after all the provinces had their own
>> system did he mandate it use federally.
>>
>> This is a guy who shut down the land borders to non essential travel but
>> allowed international flights back and forth from Covid hotpots like India.
>
> You're accusing me of ad hominen?? Wow!!! What a projection!
>

[Olive Sea Snake]

On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 07:03:05 +1100, Jeßus <j...@j.net> wrote:

>And if your source is TV, then you're only going to get one side of
>the story. Same in Australia, last weekend we had a madate protest in
>Canberra. The media claimed they were all conspiracy theorists and
>antivaxxers, and that there were only 10000 to 30000 protesters.
>Canberra police counted 1.4 million cars enter Canberra that day, an
>extraordinary number of people. Our population is 26 million and 1.5-3
>million Australians travelled across the country to Canberra on that
>day. But look at the mainstream media and you would never know.
>There is drone footage out there that clearly shows millions
>protesting on the day.

LOL, get real... Millions... lol.

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Lump Charcoal wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 1:01:24 PM UTC-5, Lump Charcoal wrote:
>> On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 4:37:57 PM UTC-5, Jeßus wrote:
>>> Any interest in a discussion here on Trudeau declaring martial law?

>> There is no martial law here. Trudeau invoked the Emergency MeGhe? Uhm, can you go into more detail? I don't get itasures Act in response to the bullying tactics used by the occupying thugs. These so called protests are anything but. They are not about freedom at all. These shit disturbers are interested only in themselves, and do not care about the freedoms of the citizens/people whose lives they are seriously disrupting.

> Correction: This act is known as the 'Emergencies Act'.
>

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Lump Charcoal wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 4:37:57 PM UTC-5, Jeßus wrote:

>> Any interest in a discuGhe? Uhm, can you go into more detail? I don't get itssion here on Trudeau declaring martial law?
> There is no martial law here. Trudeau invoked the Emergency Measures Act in response to the bullying tactics used by the occupying thugs. These so called protests are anything but. They are not about freedom at all. These shit disturbers are interested only in themselves, and do not care about the freedoms of the citizens/people whose lives they are seriously disrupting.

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Lump Charcoal wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 4:37:57 PM UTC-5, Jeßus wrote:

>> Any interest in a discussion here on Trudeau declaring martial law?

> There is no martial law here. Trudeau invoked the Emergency Measures Act in response to the bullying tactics used by the occupying thugs. These so called protests are anything but. They are not about freedom at all. These shit disturbers are interested only in themselves, and do not care about the freedoms of the citizens/people whose lives they are seriously disrupting.
>

Uhm, Ghe Ghe Ghe. This is my not frogger. Yes. Ghe Ghe Ghe :)))))))))))

[Banded Sea Snake]

Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2022-02-16 11:45 a.m., Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>> On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 10:48:30 -0500, Dave Smith
>> <adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2022-02-16 6:56 a.m., Lucretia Borgia wrote:

>>>> On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 23:00:59 -0500, Dave Smith
>>>> <adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>> mehow people sitting around in hot tubs on the street and dragging
>>>>>> their kids along with them don't strike me as people I want to hear
>>>>>> from.  I admire truckers, the ones doing their jobs trucking
>>>>>> everything and still at it, but look closely and you will see most of
>>>>>> the Ottawa ones are pickup trucks.   Even the truckers union has come
>>>>>> out and acknowledged that they have been sucked in and the ones in
>>>>>> Ottawa do not represent the majority.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I will admit that I think that it is really low for Islamist terror
>>>>> groups to hide in schools and mosques and to hide behind women and
>>>>> children so that the people battling them are made to look bad when
>>>>> innocent civilians are killed. That is the same thing these thugs are
>>>>> acting. A little tear gas would go a long way to clearing our the
>>>>> encampment, but the shit will hit the fan if children suffer.
>>>>
>>>> It would help if you understood the divisions between Federal and
>>>> Provincial.   I can imagine what would happen if Trudeau ordered the
>>>> RCMP to clear some demonstrators in PQ!
>>>
>>> It might help if you understood that is a ridiculous response to what I

>>> wrote.  It's okay. I understand. You always seem to have trouble

>>> expressing cogent arguments so you resort to a cheap ad hominem. You
>>> don't like me pointing out what a hypocritical nitwit our prime minister
>>> is so you label me an extreme right winger and say I don't understand
>>> jurisdiction, a word that would have been more relevant if you knew what
>>> it meant.
>>>
>>> He was a weasel about the vaxxine passport. He would not introduce a
>>> document that could set standards and be used across the country.
>>> Provinces could have mandated that document ... or not.  He did not have
>>> to mandate the requirement, just establish the standard. He could have
>>> led from the top. He left it to the provinces to do on their own, each
>>> one developing their own system. He then chided Ford publicly for not
>>> having done it despite his own refusal to lead the way. He waited for
>>> Ford to do it and only then, after all the provinces had their own
>>> system did he mandate it use federally.
>>>
>>> This is a guy who shut down the land borders to non essential travel but
>>> allowed international flights back and forth from Covid hotpots like
>>> India.
>>
>> You're accusing me of ad hominen??  Wow!!!  What a projection!
>

> Okay... there's another word that you don't understand. Yes, he is a
> hypocritical nitwit, but I explained why and gave examples.  Like him,
> you choose to dismiss valid complaints with unfounded accusations of
> political affiliation.

[Jeßus]

On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 13:45:46 -0800 (PST), GM
<gregorymorr...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 3:37:57 PM UTC-6, Jeßus wrote:
>> Any interest in a discussion here on Trudeau declaring martial law?
>
>

>YES.... it's shocking...
>
>Not surprising, since his daddy supported Stalin, Castro, and also supported martial law when the Polish commies declared it in 1981 in response to Solidarity's rise...
>
>What a clueless fucking foppish git Boi Justin is...

I didn't pay close attention to him for years, up until the 'pandemic'
at least. Now knowing much more about him, I'm astonished he made it
to PM. He's weak intellectually and morally.

Recently he just walked out of the house. He just walked out... didnt
want to answer uncomfortable questions...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13hHz_s4P3I

Anyone he doesnt like is a 'racist'. This is the sort of complete crap
he says, without even blinking an eye:

"“Today in the House, Members of Parliament unanimously condemned the
antisemitism, Islamophobia, anti-Black racism, homophobia, and
transphobia that we’ve seen on display in Ottawa over the past number
of days. Together, let’s keep working to make Canada more inclusive.”

^an orgy of divisive woke bullshit^


Here's Truedeu speaking at his father's eulogy:

"“Because simple tolerance, mere tolerance, is not enough. We need
genuine and deep respect for each and every human being,
notwithstanding their thoughts, their values, their beliefs, their
origins. That’s what my father demanded of his sons, and that’s what
he demanded of his country.”"

... And then here he is this year:

“They are extremists who don’t believe in science, they’re often
misogynists, also often racists. It’s a small group that muscles in,
and we have to make a choice in terms of leaders, in terms of the
country. Do we tolerate these people?”

DO WE TOLERATE THESE PEOPLE? He asks. Anyone with a brain can see
where this cunt is taking Canada...

[Jeßus]

On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 17:50:39 -0400, Lucretia Borgia
<lucreti...@fl.it> wrote:

>On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 08:37:38 +1100, Jeßus <j...@j.net> wrote:
>
>>Any interest in a discussion here on Trudeau declaring martial law?
>

>Since several premiers were doing such a piss poor job, he did it
>because like many of us, our hearts go out to the people in Ottawa who
>have to listen to those air horns all night. A 21 year old woman got
>a court order to stop them, but they just ignored it.

Of course, why would a court order be respected during civil
disobedience? Or is it just the wrong kind of civil disobedience
politically for you?

Here's Truedeu speaking at his father's eulogy:

"“Because simple tolerance, mere tolerance, is not enough. We need
genuine and deep respect for each and every human being,
notwithstanding their thoughts, their values, their beliefs, their
origins. That’s what my father demanded of his sons, and that’s what
he demanded of his country.”"

What happened since then?

>Imagine if you had that going outside your windows all night??? Also
>their freedom must not impinge anyone elses freedom, there are
>limitations. You are not free to yell fire in a crowded cinema.

Your country is on the verge of totalitarianism and about a third of
your countrymen understand this. And many are trying to save Canada.
You may not see it that way, but that's precisely how it is.

[Jeßus]

On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 14:26:51 -0800 (PST), GM
<gregorymorr...@gmail.com> wrote:


>The freezing of funds supporting the truckers laid bare the anti-free speech trend sweeping
>across the world, including in the U.S. There is no principled basis for cutting off the ability
>of citizens to support other citizens in a campaign of civil disobedience. Although ignored
>by most in the media, the same claim used by the Trudeau government today could have
> been used to freeze support for the civil rights era’s freedom marchers or for BLM
>protesters in 2020..."

The precedent this sets should alarm everyone, but too many are
blinded by political allegiances they've formed years ago.

Many people are set in their ways and are intellectually weak with
themselves, and won't change their allegiance even when those they
support have completely changed, as has happed in Canada and
elsewhere.

[Jeßus]

On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 20:14:01 -0400, Lucretia Borgia
<lucreti...@fl.it> wrote:

>On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 17:50:42 -0500, Dave Smith
><adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>
>>On 2022-02-15 4:50 p.m., Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>> On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 08:37:38 +1100, Jeßus <j...@j.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Any interest in a discussion here on Trudeau declaring martial law?
>>>
>>> Since several premiers were doing such a piss poor job, he did it
>>> because like many of us, our hearts go out to the people in Ottawa who
>>> have to listen to those air horns all night. A 21 year old woman got
>>> a court order to stop them, but they just ignored it.
>>>
>>

>>It's too bad that the citizens of Ottawa don't know who easy it is to
>>disable an air horn. Get yourself a nice big hammer and whack the horn
>>hard enough to break it. You can also do it without climbing on the
>>truck. They have air tanks that are attached to the frame and sit on
>>either the left or right side of the truck. At the bottom of the tank,
>>either on the end or underneath, there is a petcock to drain the air. A
>>good hard whack with a hammer will snap that off. The air will drain in
>>seconds and the truck won't be going anywhere until it is replaced.
>>
>>

>>> Imagine if you had that going outside your windows all night??? Also
>>> their freedom must not impinge anyone elses freedom, there are
>>> limitations. You are not free to yell fire in a crowded cinema.
>>
>>

>>I have seen coverage from Ottawa that had interviews with the owner of a
>>trucking company that is not too far from me. I have considered driving
>>down to his house some night and sitting on the road blasting my horn.
>> I won't have to stay long. I can take off when they come out to check
>>out the noise... and return about an hour later.
>>
>Go for it!

Absolute, pure hypocrisy. Love it. LOL.

[Jeßus]

On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 10:44:18 -0400, Lucretia Borgia
<lucreti...@fl.it> wrote:

>Like many Canadians I have lived in countries that were far from
>'free' and feel these idiots don't realise what they have and that in
>order to keep it, it has to be protected from them!


They're doing precisely what they're doing because they DO know 'what
they have', or rather, what they HAD. And they're trying to restore
that. One day you may come to appreciate their sacrifices for people
like you, who can't see what is happening in your country.

[Trurtle-Headed Sea Snake]

On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 05:29:31 +1100, Jeßus <j...@j.net> wrote:

>I didn't pay close attention to him for years, up until the 'pandemic'
>at least. Now knowing much more about him, I'm astonished he made it
>to PM. He's weak intellectually and morally.

Priceless :)

(...)

>... And then here he is this year:
>
>“They are extremists who don’t believe in science, they’re often
>misogynists, also often racists. It’s a small group that muscles in,
>and we have to make a choice in terms of leaders, in terms of the
>country. Do we tolerate these people?”
>
>DO WE TOLERATE THESE PEOPLE? He asks. Anyone with a brain can see
>where this cunt is taking Canada...

Communism? Government control over the peoples? Wait, both!? :)

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On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 05:35:21 +1100, Jeßus <j...@j.net> wrote:

>On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 17:50:39 -0400, Lucretia Borgia
><lucreti...@fl.it> wrote:
>
>>Imagine if you had that going outside your windows all night??? Also
>>their freedom must not impinge anyone elses freedom, there are
>>limitations. You are not free to yell fire in a crowded cinema.
>
>Your country is on the verge of totalitarianism

Lol, you crack me up, Jebus. More! More!

[Trurtle-Headed Sea Snake]

Signed: Jebus, Prophet of Doom and Gloom

[Jeßus]

On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 08:01:25 -0400, Lucretia Borgia
<lucreti...@fl.it> wrote:

>On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 00:51:40 -0500, Michael Trew
><michae...@att.net> wrote:
>
>>On 2/15/2022 16:50, Lucretia Borgia wrote:

>>> On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 08:37:38 +1100, Jeßus<j...@j.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Any interest in a discussion here on Trudeau declaring martial law?
>>>
>>> Since several premiers were doing such a piss poor job, he did it
>>> because like many of us, our hearts go out to the people in Ottawa who
>>> have to listen to those air horns all night. A 21 year old woman got
>>> a court order to stop them, but they just ignored it.
>>>

>>> Imagine if you had that going outside your windows all night??? Also
>>> their freedom must not impinge anyone elses freedom, there are
>>> limitations. You are not free to yell fire in a crowded cinema.
>>

>>I hadn't heard about that. How crazy!

How on EARTH does anyone not know about the protests across the globe?
Holy shit. Now that's ignorance about the world you live in.

[Jeßus]

On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 20:10:27 -0400, Lucretia Borgia
<lucreti...@fl.it> wrote:


>That's the problem with you
>hard right people,

I'll have to make a note of this for future reference. In other words,
not respond to you regarding anything political.

Anyone not in line with your politics is 'hard right'. That mentality
right there invalidates anything you say.

[GM]

Well, there is the occasional glimmer of hope:

https://www.nationalreview.com/2022/02/the-trouncing-of-the-san-francisco-school-board/

The Trouncing of the San Francisco School Board

By THE EDITORS February 17, 2022

"Writing about politics in Great Britain in his day, Edmund Burke compared the radicals to
“half a dozen grasshoppers” and cautioned his readers, “Pray do not imagine, that those
who make the noise are the only inhabitants of the field.”

This week in San Francisco, the voters demonstrated that the grasshoppers are far from
the only inhabitants of the field.

Voters in the City by the Bay, the mecca of modern American progressivism, threw out
three members of the San Francisco school board in recall elections on Tuesday. And
the results weren’t close: 75 percent voted to recall board president Gabriela López, 73
percent voted to recall vice president Faauuga Moliga, and 79 percent voted to recall
board member Alison Collins.

Their reason for doing so: Progressivism run amok. Ryan Mills reported on the two parents
who led the recall effort, Siva Raj and Autumn Looijen, last March. Raj was frustrated his
children’s schools were not opened, so he attended a school-board meeting. There he found
members arguing about identity politics instead of working to reopen schools. Reopening
was at the bottom of the agenda, and discussion of it didn’t begin until almost midnight.

The school board seemed to be more interested in renaming schools than reopening them.
While they were still closed, it pursued plans to rename 44 schools in the name of social
justice. The supposedly offending names included Abraham Lincoln, George Washington,
and Paul Revere.

Collins became particularly unpopular for a series of tweets from 2016 in which she likened
Asian Americans to “house n*****s” and said that they use “white supremacist thinking” to
“get ahead.” Between those comments and the board’s efforts to end merit-based admission
to magnet schools, “many Asian American residents were motivated to vote for the first
time in a municipal election,” according to CBS News.

Eventually, both the San Francisco Examiner and the San Francisco Chronicle endorsed
removing the school-board members, and Democratic mayor London Breed supported the
effort as well. The pro-recall side raised $1.9 million, compared with only $86,000 by
opponents of the recall. Raj and Looijen’s movement welcomed all comers who thought
school boards should be about education first, not hyper-progressive identity politics.

Of course, it’s still San Francisco, and the replacements won’t be conservatives. One of
the reasons Breed supported the recall is probably that she gets to appoint interim board
members to serve until the next general elections are held in November. We have little
confidence in her judgment in selecting new members, and Democrats will still run the city.

That doesn’t mean this defeat for progressives isn’t significant, however. The entire card-carrying
membership of the Republican Party of San Francisco could probably fit in one of the city’s
trolleys. Neither Raj nor Looijen is on the right ideologically. Yet Tuesday’s result proves
Burke’s point: Ordinary people aren’t interested in radicalism. In fact, when they see its results,
they are repelled by it.

“America is fundamentally a Conservative nation,” wrote Barry Goldwater in The Conscience of
a Conservative. “The preponderant judgment of the American people . . . is that the radical, or
Liberal, approach has not worked and is not working.” Filtered through a biased media, woke
corporations, and a progressive-run university system, that truth can often be hard to see.

But even Americans in overwhelmingly Democratic cities are concluding that far-left progressivism
has not worked and is not working. The radical approach to policing was resoundingly rejected
by the voters of Minneapolis in November. Now, the radical approach to education has been
resoundingly rejected by the voters of San Francisco. If progressives can’t win there, they
certainly can’t win nationwide.

Police departments should be for law enforcement, and school boards should be for
education. If voters see those as conservative positions now, Democrats’ electoral
troubles are only beginning..."

</>

[Turtle-Headed Sea Snake]

But you ARE hard right. You just don't like to hear that because you
once didn't like hard right people. But you've become one. Come out of
the closet!

[Jeßus]

On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 07:56:50 -0400, Lucretia Borgia
<lucreti...@fl.it> wrote:

>On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 23:00:59 -0500, Dave Smith
><adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>>
>>>
>>> At the beginning when he refused to meet with them, he did them a
>>> favour, he had been diagnosed with Covid.
>>
>>How convenient that he supposedly tested positive for Covid a couple
>>days before the expected protest. It gave him an excuse not to have to
>>meet with a group of people who despise him. He just pointed out there
>>were some Confederate flags and swatikas and portrayed the entire group
>>as racists.

>>
>> >That's the problem with you

>>> hard right people, had he met with them and some were infected, you
>>> now would be yelling about a plot to kill as many as possible with
>>> Covid!
>>
>>"Your hard right people?" Really?? I guess that sets you right down
>>there at his level, dismissing my concerns with that absurd label.
>>
>>I sympathize with them only as far appreciating their sense of
>>frustration over the PM dismissing them as extreme right wing and racist
>>and dismissing their concerns.
>>
>>I am more upset about his refusal to confront them and to sanction the
>>use of more force. He has been more of a follower than a leader
>>throughout this. It wasn't that long ago that he tried to shame Ontario
>>Premier Ford for not imposing a vaccine passport like a couple other
>>provinces had when he himself had refused to mandate a vaccine passport.
>>He had said that it would be too divisive. Yes, it was divisive, but it
>>was hypocritical of him to try to shame Ford for being reluctant to do
>>something that he had refused to do himself.
>>
>>The cops have been faulted for not upholding the law and using more
>>force to break this up. You only have to look at the way cops have been
>>thrown under the bus for doing the government's bidding and things go
>>south, like Ipperwash, Oka and the G20 summit in Toronto. Look at the
>>land dispute in Caledonia. The police took a long time before the
>>raided the native stronghold to serve papers. The finally did one day in
>>the early hours and by the time the 7am news came on the radio our
>>(Liberal) premier was already being quoted as saying he had nothing to
>>do with ordering the raid.
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Somehow people sitting around in hot tubs on the street and dragging

>>> their kids along with them don't strike me as people I want to hear
>>> from. I admire truckers, the ones doing their jobs trucking
>>> everything and still at it, but look closely and you will see most of
>>> the Ottawa ones are pickup trucks. Even the truckers union has come
>>> out and acknowledged that they have been sucked in and the ones in
>>> Ottawa do not represent the majority.
>>
>>
>>I will admit that I think that it is really low for Islamist terror
>>groups to hide in schools and mosques and to hide behind women and
>>children so that the people battling them are made to look bad when
>>innocent civilians are killed. That is the same thing these thugs are
>>acting. A little tear gas would go a long way to clearing our the
>>encampment, but the shit will hit the fan if children suffer.
>
>It would help if you understood the divisions between Federal and
>Provincial. I can imagine what would happen if Trudeau ordered the
>RCMP to clear some demonstrators in PQ!

LOL, they obviously are outnumbered. Or do you suggest they start
opening fire on protesters?

[Trurtle-Headed Sea Snake]

On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 3:37:57 PM UTC-6, Jeßus wrote:
> Any interest in a discussion here on Trudeau declaring martial law?

do not have a Bessemer Aluminum purification machine in my house!

But I have a $859.03 BILL TO PAY!

:-(

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[GM]

That's what I eventually did with Cindy, has saved me much time...

In discussing politics, one may vehemently disagree with one's "opponent", but at
the very *least* attempt to understand *why* they've come to the conclusions that
they have. Instead, Lucretia, Cindy, and Justin Trudeau paint their opponents as "racist",
"far right", "homophobic", "Trumpsters", "fascist", etcetera - they are not the least bit interested in
any nuanced debate - and in fact show themselves incapable of it.

--
GM

[Dave Smith]

She is like our prime minister who thinks that if you can't present
valid, informed, fact based argument you can just call your opponents
racist or right wing and you are magically correct.

[Turtle-Headed Sea Snake]

On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 14:12:50 -0500, Dave Smith
<adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

You two are becoming those 2 old guys from the Muppet show :)

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[Jeßus]

On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 11:09:19 -0800 (PST), GM
<gregorymorr...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Jeßus wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 20:10:27 -0400, Lucretia Borgia
>> <lucreti...@fl.it> wrote:
>>
>>
>> >That's the problem with you
>> >hard right people,
>>
>> I'll have to make a note of this for future reference. In other words,
>> not respond to you regarding anything political.
>>
>> Anyone not in line with your politics is 'hard right'. That mentality
>> right there invalidates anything you say.
>
>
>That's what I eventually did with Cindy, has saved me much time...

She disappoints me a little when it comes to politics, she's an
intelligent woman, as does anyone fully partisan on either 'side'...
then again, I can see three 'sides' being the default at this point -
2 partisan and 1 not partisan.

>In discussing politics, one may vehemently disagree with one's "opponent", but at
>the very *least* attempt to understand *why* they've come to the conclusions that
>they have. Instead, Lucretia, Cindy, and Justin Trudeau paint their opponents as "racist",
>"far right", "homophobic", "Trumpsters", "fascist", etcetera - they are not the least bit interested in
>any nuanced debate - and in fact show themselves incapable of it.

Yes, that's the part that is very disappointing. I don't necessarily
support republican at all - depending on the candidates or those
already in place. I grew to like and support Trump but that's entirely
in spite of the republican party. I regard any neo-con as the enemy,
and both parties are still full of them.

[Jeßus]

On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 14:12:50 -0500, Dave Smith
<adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

Exactly right. And yet many people seem to be blind to the sheer lack
of reason it entails? No debate permitted - just shut them down by
calling them racist/white supremacist/hard right.

Oh and here's your PM gushing about China:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJNtFG9GSPU

[Jeßus]

On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 10:48:39 -0800 (PST), GM

<gregorymorr...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Jeßus wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 14:26:51 -0800 (PST), GM
>> <gregorymorr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> >The freezing of funds supporting the truckers laid bare the anti-free speech trend sweeping
>> >across the world, including in the U.S. There is no principled basis for cutting off the ability
>> >of citizens to support other citizens in a campaign of civil disobedience. Although ignored
>> >by most in the media, the same claim used by the Trudeau government today could have
>> > been used to freeze support for the civil rights era’s freedom marchers or for BLM
>> >protesters in 2020..."
>>
>> The precedent this sets should alarm everyone, but too many are
>> blinded by political allegiances they've formed years ago.
>>
>> Many people are set in their ways and are intellectually weak with
>> themselves, and won't change their allegiance even when those they
>> support have completely changed, as has happed in Canada and
>> elsewhere.
>
>
>Well, there is the occasional glimmer of hope:
>
>https://www.nationalreview.com/2022/02/the-trouncing-of-the-san-francisco-school-board/
>
>The Trouncing of the San Francisco School Board
>

<snip>. Excellent. yes, there IS a glimmer of hope, even in Australia
where the population is even more on board with the agenda. There is a
lot of kickback finally starting to happening, including from many
elements of the left.

At this point the resistance needs to be stepped up, any kind of
resistance ranging from individuals disobeying mandates through to
outright mass protests in line with the truckers. These despots are
not going to give up until it's made clear to them that the mass
formation psychosis campaign has failed.

Can't resist adding this clip of Trudeau praising China and it's
government: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJNtFG9GSPU

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Uhm, Ghe Ghe Ghe. This is my not frogger. Yes. Ghe Ghe Ghe :)))))))

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On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 06:58:07 +1100, Jeßus <j...@j.net> wrote:

><snip>. Excellent. yes, there IS a glimmer of hope, even in Australia
>where the population is even more on board with the agenda. There is a
>lot of kickback finally starting to happening, including from many
>elements of the left.
>
>At this point the resistance needs to be stepped up, any kind of
>resistance ranging from individuals disobeying mandates through to
>outright mass protests in line with the truckers. These despots are
>not going to give up until it's made clear to them that the mass
>formation psychosis campaign has failed.

Classic stuff! Thanks, Jebus! I just wonder about one thing. Now that
all the covid measures are slowly being lifted worldwide, what are the
paranoid rednecks going to do when it's over? They'll be all riled up
and suspicious, spit on the chin, up in arms, but against what?
They'll be all dressed up with nowhere to go. The price of petrol/gas
maybe?

Oh, and Jebus: Smoking pot makes you paranoid. Kick the habit. It's
affecting your mental health.