OT I just RIPPED 60mins (20+20+20) on Da Track!

[John Kuthe]

And the hardened machine screw and bolt are STILL TIGHT! :-)


John Kuthe...

[Hank Rogers]

John Kuthe wrote:
> And the hardened machine screw and bolt are STILL TIGHT! :-)
>
>
> John Kuthe...
>

Keep an eye on those bolts! Here is a ripping checklist:

1. Take sudafed
2. Shit
3. Check and record bolt torques.
4. RIP one full hour!
5. Make report and crow about ripping session on RFC.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Wednesday, December 23, 2020 at 2:55:41 PM UTC-6, johnk...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> And the hardened machine screw and bolt are STILL TIGHT! :-)
>
>
> John Kuthe...
>

I made my bed, washed dishes, and went to the grocery store.
I also picked up an empty plastic water bottle in the alley and
threw it in the recycling bin.

[John Kuthe]

NOT EXERCISE! Simple ADLs. :-(

John Kuthe...

[Bryan Simmons]

On Wednesday, December 23, 2020 at 3:54:33 PM UTC-6, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:

I got my kitchen faucet replaced. It was fucked up before our Covid infection, so we
haven't had a working kitchen sink for almost a month. The husband & wife team
who did the work are going to be our new home improvement folks, and we have
lots of little projects that need doing that are outside my skillset.

--Bryan

[Hank Rogers]

I hope that work team didn't get infected! Maybe you should have
waited?

[Bryan Simmons]

The consensus among the plumbers I spoke to is that Moen are the most
dependable faucets. Most high quality faucets come with guarantees. Our
Pfister faucet did. They sent us free replacement cartidges three times, but I
had to take the thing apart and put the new one in. It was simple enough for
me to do the work myself, but it was a hassle. The new one also looks better
with our black marble counter.
https://www.menards.com/main/kitchen/kitchen-faucets/moen-reg-bayhill-one-handle-kitchen-faucet-with-side-spray/87301brb/p-1444440564764.htm
>
> --Bryan

--Bryan

[Dave Smith]

With all due respect, your skill set must be quite limited if you cannot
replace a kitchen faucet. That generally requires little more than
turning a few bolts to disconnect the old one and reversing the
procedure to install the new one.

[Bryan Simmons]

We have been declared non-infectious by the county health department. I would
not have put the health of workers at risk. They wore surgical masks, and I wore
an FFP-2 respirator for an hour before they arrived, and the whole time they were
here.

--Bryan

[Dave Smith]

On 2020-12-23 6:24 p.m., Bryan Simmons wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 23, 2020 at 4:53:34 PM UTC-6, Bryan Simmons wrote:
tic water bottle in the alley and
>>> threw it in the recycling bin.
>> I got my kitchen faucet replaced. It was fucked up before our Covid infection, so we
>> haven't had a working kitchen sink for almost a month. The husband & wife team
>> who did the work are going to be our new home improvement folks, and we have
>> lots of little projects that need doing that are outside my skillset.
>
> The consensus among the plumbers I spoke to is that Moen are the most
> dependable faucets. Most high quality faucets come with guarantees.

Moen does have a good name and good guarantee. I had a drip in my
shower. I went to Home Hardware to get a replacement cartridge. I had to
ask for help because I could not find them on display. That turned out
to be because the Moen cartridges are free.

[Bryan Simmons]

I'm going to replace the bathroom faucet myself, but we have deep sink bowls, and it
required the guy to be on his back, reaching up behind the sink bowls. It wasn't that
I couldn't figure out how to do it, but I was physically unable to do it. The bathroom
sink will be easy. I replaced the innards of the basement toilet a few weeks ago.
Plus, I'm still a bit wiped out from the Covid. The fatigue can last many months, even
after a fairly minor case, and I need my energy for my job, which provides inexpensive
health insurance. I don't live in Canada.

--Bryan

[Leo]

On 2020 Dec 23, , Dave Smith wrote
(in article <erQEH.101161$182....@fx45.iad>):

> With all due respect, your skill set must be quite limited if you cannot
> replace a kitchen faucet. That generally requires little more than
> turning a few bolts to disconnect the old one and reversing the
> procedure to install the new one.

Rule #1: Turn off the water to the faucet first.

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 12/23/2020 6:24 PM, Bryan Simmons wrote:

> The consensus among the plumbers I spoke to is that Moen are the most
> dependable faucets. Most high quality faucets come with guarantees. Our
> Pfister faucet did. They sent us free replacement cartidges three times, but I
> had to take the thing apart and put the new one in. It was simple enough for
> me to do the work myself, but it was a hassle. The new one also looks better
> with our black marble counter.
> https://www.menards.com/main/kitchen/kitchen-faucets/moen-reg-bayhill-one-handle-kitchen-faucet-with-side-spray/87301brb/p-1444440564764.htm
> --Bryan

I've had good luck with Moen in the last house and after many years in
the kitchen had to replace the cartridge and that was still working at
least 10 years later. This house also has Moen but only two years so far.

Our kitchen faucet is similar style to yours but has the pull down spray
instead of the side. You're going to like the quality of it.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Wednesday, December 23, 2020 at 4:53:34 PM UTC-6, bryang...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I got my kitchen faucet replaced. It was fucked up before our Covid infection, so we
> haven't had a working kitchen sink for almost a month. The husband & wife team
> who did the work are going to be our new home improvement folks, and we have
> lots of little projects that need doing that are outside my skillset.
>
> --Bryan
>

I need my kitchen faucet worked on as well. It works but leaks a lot. I worked
on it last time but I think this time I'll fork over the gold dust and let a plumber
do the honors.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Wednesday, December 23, 2020 at 5:24:49 PM UTC-6, bryang...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> The consensus among the plumbers I spoke to is that Moen are the most
> dependable faucets. Most high quality faucets come with guarantees. Our
> Pfister faucet did. They sent us free replacement cartidges three times, but I
> had to take the thing apart and put the new one in. It was simple enough for
> me to do the work myself, but it was a hassle. The new one also looks better
> with our black marble counter.
>
> https://www.menards.com/main/kitchen/kitchen-faucets/moen-reg-bayhill-one-handle-kitchen-faucet-with-side-spray/87301brb/p-1444440564764.htm
> >
> > --Bryan
>

The plumbing fixtures in the second bathroom are the oil rubbed bronze finish.
But I can't seem to fall in love with the side handle on yours and many of the
new model kitchen faucets.

[John Kuthe]

On Wednesday, December 23, 2020 at 6:00:10 PM UTC-6, bryang...@gmail.com wrote:
...

> Plus, I'm still a bit wiped out from the Covid. The fatigue can last many months, even
> after a fairly minor case, and I need my energy for my job, which provides inexpensive
> health insurance. I don't live in Canada.

Or any of the other developed nations who have "free" health care.


John Kuthe...

[Ed Pawlowski]

I find it very handy. Much better than the old single handle on the
top. Another feature for my use, I often sit at the counter to eat and
can easily turn it on from that side if needed.

[dsi1]

Our bathroom sink needs to be replaced and I need to install a glass door for the shower. I have no stinkin' idea how to do the jobs but I'll do it myself. I'm a terrible cheap guy - you might think I'm a pake but I'm not. I am, however, pake.

[Dave Smith]

On 2020-12-23 10:49 p.m., dsi1 wrote:

> Our bathroom sink needs to be replaced and I need to install a glass
> door for the shower. I have no stinkin' idea how to do the jobs but
> I'll do it myself. I'm a terrible cheap guy - you might think I'm a
> pake but I'm not. I am, however, pake.
>

Check online. There is likely a video to show you how.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

For some reason my brain or my hand and eye coordination cannot accept
that side handle and which direction to pull/push that handle. Probably if
I had one my brain would finally catch up.

[dsi1]

Good choice. I have a side handle, high arc, kitchen faucet. The design lends itself towards beautiful design. We have the pull out sprayer rather then a separate hose. The replacement unit will have one of those spring thingies.

[dsi1]

I will indeed. I'll watch several. By the time I do the job, I'll have already done the job in my mind. That's always a good thing to do.

[Ophelia]

"dsi1" wrote in message
news:a57e81ea-7493-4c7c...@googlegroups.com...

===

"He no like buy, because it is not on sale, he so pake, yah?"

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Wednesday, December 23, 2020 at 3:55:41 PM UTC-5, johnk...@gmail.com wrote:
> And the hardened machine screw and bolt are STILL TIGHT! :-)

I retrieved the mail from the mailbox and put it in the recycling bin.

Cindy Hamilton

[Gary]

On 12/23/2020 3:55 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
> And the hardened machine screw and bolt are STILL TIGHT! :-)

John...yoose could always get a job in a local gym as a personal trainer
for NordicTrack. :)

[cshenk]

Thats what happens to me. Physical limits.

[Sheldon Martin]

On Wed, 23 Dec 2020 21:05:45 -0500, Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.xxx> wrote:

>On 12/23/2020 6:24 PM, Bryan Simmons wrote:
>
>> The consensus among the plumbers I spoke to is that Moen are the most
>> dependable faucets. Most high quality faucets come with guarantees. Our
>> Pfister faucet did. They sent us free replacement cartidges three times, but I
>> had to take the thing apart and put the new one in. It was simple enough for
>> me to do the work myself, but it was a hassle. The new one also looks better
>> with our black marble counter.
>> https://www.menards.com/main/kitchen/kitchen-faucets/moen-reg-bayhill-one-handle-kitchen-faucet-with-side-spray/87301brb/p-1444440564764.htm
>> --Bryan

The Kohler kitchen faucet I bought has the spray incorperated into the
nozzle, simply pull the hose up from the faucet, there's a button that
gives a spray or a solid stream.

>I've had good luck with Moen in the last house and after many years in
>the kitchen had to replace the cartridge and that was still working at
>least 10 years later. This house also has Moen but only two years so far.
>
>Our kitchen faucet is similar style to yours but has the pull down spray
>instead of the side. You're going to like the quality of it.

I think Kohler is far better quality than Moen... I installed Kohler
faucets in the two bathroom sinks and the kitchen sink, nearly twenty
years ago and haven't had to replace anything. And everyone thinks
they look very nice.
However it's not always easy to replace a faucet, you need to be slim
and supple enough to fit into the cabinet under the sink, I struggled
with the bathroom sinks as there's a piece of wood in the center of
the cabinet with latches for the two doors. Of course it helps if you
have the right tools. The kitchen sink was easy as I bought a new
over sized sink to replace that horrid tiny double sink, was very easy
to attach the faucet when the sink is not installed... just drop the
sink in, attach the flexable supply hoses and snug up all those little
clamps around the sink perimeter... a socket on a flex extention and
ratchet made that easy.

[Sheldon Martin]

On Thu, 24 Dec 2020 09:43:21 -0000, "Ophelia" <oph...@elsinore.me.uk>
wrote:

Very ofen it costs a lot less, money and anxiety, to have a pro do the
job. These days a lot of things aren't made to be repaired, most
everything is a throw away. Years ago I used to be able to maintain
my vehical myself, now I don't even lift the hood except to add washer
fluid and to check the oil. And I sometimes need to add washer fluid
but I never need to add oil... I let Toyota do all that maintenance,
they check everything on their computers.

[jmcquown]

Yes, they are! I had a faucet that was dripping and it's a Moen. I
called the plumbing company I use for things like that. They said it
likely needs a new cartridge and their installation visit would cost
less if I already had the Moen cartridge. I explained I'd "inherited"
the faucet and they grandfathered it in and sent me a free cartridge.
Can't beat that! :)

Jill

[Master Bruce]

Somebody please explain to Cindy what the purpose of mail is.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

Since that mail went to the recycling bin I'm going to make a wild
guess that it was junk mail.

[Master Bruce]

That is a possible explanation.

[Dave Smith]

Yep. Tuesday is out garbage and recycling day. The usual process for me
is to go across the street to the mailbox, get what has been put there
and then drop it into the recycling bin on the way back to the house. I
figure that about 90% of the mail is junk.

[Graham]

I get very little junk (except leaflets full of lies from my MP) since I
put a sign on my mailbox.

[Alex]

I have three Canadian friends who have all told me how bad their "free"
healthcare is.  Long wait times is the biggest complaint. They have
fewer than 400 MRI machines in the entire country - we have more than
that in Florida and about 13000 in the US.  The saddest story was one
lady I know is convinced her father died because his heart wasn't in bad
enough shape for a routine catheterization.  The autopsy proved
otherwise but it was too late.

Free isn't always free and free isn't always better.

Namaste

[Alex]

When we remodeled the kitchen I bought one the Delta faucets that is
touch activated.  That thing is great.  If you are handling raw meat,
for example, you can turn it on with your forearm or elbow. We are so
used to it we turn it on that way all of the time now.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Thursday, December 24, 2020 at 7:15:19 PM UTC-6, Alex wrote:
>
> When we remodeled the kitchen I bought one the Delta faucets that is
> touch activated. That thing is great. If you are handling raw meat,
> for example, you can turn it on with your forearm or elbow. We are so
> used to it we turn it on that way all of the time now.
>

Is that thing battery-operated?? And if so, how often do you have to replace
that battery??

[Alex]

Sinks are tricky because the sizes change over time.  You might have to
enlarge the opening in the top.

Shower doors are a breeze if you don't have to drill through tile. That
requires a special bit and a steady hand.  Use clear, high-quality,
silicone caulk on the edge of the frame and the inside frame/wall joint
- not on the outside frame/wall joint.  It's a cleaner look.

I just installed one of these:

https://www.sterlingplumbing.com/product-detail/5425-59?skuid=5425-59S-G05

[Dave Smith]

On 2020-12-24 8:03 p.m., Alex wrote:

> John Kuthe wrote:

>> Or any of the other developed nations who have  "free" health care.
>>
>>
>> John Kuthe...
>
> I have three Canadian friends who have all told me how bad their "free"
> healthcare is.  Long wait times is the biggest complaint. They have
> fewer than 400 MRI machines in the entire country - we have more than
> that in Florida and about 13000 in the US.  The saddest story was one
> lady I know is convinced her father died because his heart wasn't in bad
> enough shape for a routine catheterization.  The autopsy proved
> otherwise but it was too late.
>
> Free isn't always free and free isn't always better.
>

There aren't many people here who think it's free. We know that we pay
for it with taxes, though we pay less per capita than the US government
pays for health care, but everyone is covered. Your friend may have
convinced herself of something, but when I needed an angiogram it
happened very quickly. When I went to the ER with what turned out to be
a gall bladder attack I had surgery the next day.


My late sister in law whined to her daughters American in-laws about
having to wait for a knee replacement. The thing is that she could have
had it sooner but she was afraid of the surgery and kept rejecting it.

Most people up here are very happy with the health care system and do
not want it privatized.

[Alex]

Master Bruce wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Dec 2020 12:04:55 -0800 (PST), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
> <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, December 24, 2020 at 1:41:13 PM UTC-6, Master Bruce wrote:
>>> On Thu, 24 Dec 2020 04:11:37 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>>> <angelica...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I retrieved the mail from the mailbox and put it in the recycling bin.
>>> Somebody please explain to Cindy what the purpose of mail is.
>>>
>> Since that mail went to the recycling bin I'm going to make a wild
>> guess that it was junk mail.
> That is a possible explanation.

Ya think?  It was obvious to me and I'm on my 2nd cocktail.

[Graham]

Now read an American's viewpoint!

By Diane Francis
I am an American who has lived in Canada for more than 35 years. I can
vouch that the system is more than adequate and is not run by civil
servants but by doctors who are able to treat everyone, rich or poor.

Mr. Scott, and other conservatives (code for rich) are against universal
health care without any justification whatsoever. Their criticisms are in
accurate and should not be broadcast.
Where are the ethics in network broadcasting? I saw one of Scott’s ads on
CNN recently and wondered why the same curation of content was not imposed
on CNN advertising messages as is upheld editorially. If CNN is unwilling
to vet content, then where is the FCC?
Here are the facts as to why Canada’s medical system, far from perfect, is
dramatically better than America’s:

1. Canadian and European systems are on average 10% of GDP while in 2007
the U.S. cost was 16.2% even though tens of millions were not covered.
These escalating costs represent America’s biggest competitive disadvantage
going forward.

2. Canada’s health care system which fully looks after 32 million people
costs roughly what the private-sector health insurance companies make in
profits in the United States looking after less than half the population
for excessive premiums.

3. America’s health care system is even more uncompetitive if litigation
costs and awards for medical bills are added. One estimate is that this
adds another 3% to the 16.2% GDP costs of the American-style health care.
In Canada and Europe, medical costs are borne by taxpayers as a whole so
there are no court costs and awards necessary.

4. Canada’s and Europe’s health care systems enhances economic
productivity. Workers diagnosed with illnesses can still change employers
and be employable because they are not rejected by employers with health
benefits due to pre-conditions.

5. Infant mortality is much lower in Canada and Europe than in the U.S.

6. Outcomes with major illnesses, such as cancer and heart disease, are
better than in the United States.

7. Longevity is better in Canada and Europe than in the U.S.

8. No emergency is neglected in Canada.

9. Some elective procedures may take longer if compared to blue-ribbon U.S.
health care but that’s no comparing apples with apples. More appropriately,
the overall population’s care should be compared and there are tens of
millions of Americans who are uninsured or uninsurable.

10. No one in Canada goes broke because of medical bills whereas ARP
estimates half of personal bankruptcies are due to unpaid, high medical
bills. More Americans go bust or lose their homes due to medical costs than
the sub-prime problem.

11. Canadians are able to choose their own physicians and to seek multiple
opinions.

12. Canadian doctors and nurses are better trained than American
counterparts and U.S. physicians must study for at least a year in order to
qualify to practice in Canada.

13. Drugs made and invented in the United States are cheaper in Canada,
Europe and Japan because our communal health care means volume discounts
and savings passed along to society. Americans are overpaying.

14. Americans are being cheated by a patchwork quilt system where the
highest risk people — veterans, the indigent and elderly — are insured by
governments but the “gravy” or young, healthy people are handed over to
private insurance companies.

Is Canada’s system perfect? Or Europe’s? No and nobody said it was.
Networks should stop allowing propagandists to tell lies and any arguments
about other countries’ practices should be ignored as totally irrelevant.

The United States is a rich and talented nation and it’s very upsetting to
me, as an American, that it does not have the world’s best medical care for
its citizens instead of one of the worst.
Americans deserve better.

[GM]

I'm afraid you are simply promulgating leftist claptrap propaganda here, Graham...!!!

--
Best
Greg

[Graham]

Diane Francis is a Right-Wing journalist who writes for right-wing
newspapers. She's also American!

[GM]

On these points I will not succumb to your "cagey" ideological blandishments, Graham...!!!

OTOH in my most generous spirit, I wish you and yours a lovely Holiday Season, Graham...and do let us know if you are doing any baking, we enjoy seeing your results...

;-)

--
Best
Greg

[Alex]

It is.  I knew it took AA or C cells but I had to look it up:

"Battery operated 6 AA (included) with a battery life of approximately 1
year or 6 C (not included) with a battery life of approximately 3 years"

We've had it about 3 years now and haven't changed the batteries so I'm
going to guess it was installed with the C's.  The battery box is under
the sink and easy to access.

This is something new.  I have no interest in it myself but for a lot
more money you can get this:

* VoiceIQ Technology links proven platforms – Amazon^® Alexa^® or
Google^® Assistant-enabled devices and Delta Touch_2 O Technology
faucets – into a next-generation solution
* Voice Activation can turn the water on and off, pour specific
amounts, and even warm up using your voice enabled device

[Alex]

The simple difference is that the politicians, regardless of the side of
the aisle they are on, somehow find ways for everything to be more
expensive.  We can't trust our government with healthcare. Social
Security and Medicare are at risk.

How are medications that are made in the US so much cheaper in Canada
than the US?  If the government can't fix that, imagine how they will
screw up healthcare.

Private insurance at least creates competition.  The company we offer to
our employees as part of our group plan is non-profit and far better
than anything in the "Obamacare" program.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

I've seen that one advertised on TV.

[John Kuthe]

That's Surveillance Capitalism for ya! How does it feel to be among the USED?

John Kuthe...

[Dave Smith]

On 2020-12-24 9:54 p.m., Alex wrote:
> Graham wrote: Americans deserve better.

>
> The simple difference is that the politicians, regardless of the side of
> the aisle they are on, somehow find ways for everything to be more
> expensive.  We can't trust our government with healthcare. Social
> Security and Medicare are at risk.
>
> How are medications that are made in the US so much cheaper in Canada
> than the US?  If the government can't fix that, imagine how they will
> screw up healthcare.

The problem is not with government running programs like that. That is
more of a problem with the way the American government runs things. They
run the military too and we have all heard horror stories about the cost
of military equipment and replacement parts. The military is also seen
as a major employment opportunity. There is intense lobbying to maintain
old military bases because closing them would mean lose of business and
lost jobs for the locals.

The people in the American for profit health care and insurance
businesses have lobbying hard to keep the government out of their
business. They have been lying about costs, the taxes paid to finance it
and about wait times.


>

[Alex]

Go get a job.

[Alex]

 I was referring to our government.  That is the problem and that is
why I don't trust their universal healthcare proposals - Democrat or
Republican.

[Ed Pawlowski]

Yeah, when the wi-fi is down you just don't use water. I imagine there
is manual control too.

I like technology but it is not hard to hit the handle with the back of
my hand or wrist.

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 12/24/2020 8:42 PM, Graham wrote:

> Now read an American's viewpoint!
>
> By Diane Francis

> Is Canada’s system perfect? Or Europe’s? No and nobody said it was.
> Networks should stop allowing propagandists to tell lies and any arguments
> about other countries’ practices should be ignored as totally irrelevant.
>
> The United States is a rich and talented nation and it’s very upsetting to
> me, as an American, that it does not have the world’s best medical care for
> its citizens instead of one of the worst.
> Americans deserve better.
>

Yes, but that leaves out part of the story. We have insurance companies
and the CEOs make a lot of money. Pretty sure you need CEOs that make
ton of money to run the system. The lobbyists in Washington will keep
that going.

How much money does the CEO of Blue Cross Blue Shield make?
The Blues disclosed Monday that total all-cash compensation for CEO
Daniel Loepp, 62, fell to $12.1 million from $19.2 million in 2018,
which had been a record amount and higher than Ford and Fiat Chrysler CEOs

[Alex]

It looks like it has both.

On mine, the handle is open all of the time and we only move it for
water temperature changes.  If the battery dies I can still get water
with the handle the regular way.  Mine also has some sort of timer to
shut it off in case a kid, or cat, decides to touch it.

[Dave Smith]

In other words, it is not the idea of government run health care. It is
a problem with the US government. Quite seriously, the solution should
involve improving the way your government works instead of rejecting a
system that works for the rest of western society.

[Alex]

At least there is competition.  If we give it all to the government who
knows how bad they will screw it up.  Look at Medicare.  My father had
to pay for Plan X, Y , and Z to not lose his house while he died of
cancer.  Fortunately, he retired at 58 because he died at 68.  If he
kept working until he was 65 his retirement would have been very short. 
He still paid far more into Medicare in his working years than they paid
not including those supplemental plans.  The only upside is he had the
best medical care he could get in his area for a very bad type of cancer
(esophageal).  He outlived the five year survival estimate by three
years and lived a very normal life until his last ten days.

[Alex]

Correct.  I'm 100% for universal healthcare (as they call it here). I'm
already paying for the homeless, unemployed, and people who chose to not
pay for a group insurance plan through my taxes.  I just don't trust our
government to implement a program that doesn't cost more with poor access.

Based only on what my Canadian friend's have told me, I'm not sold on
their/your plan either.

Is any of this true?

https://www.sfgate.com/opinion/openforum/article/Why-Canadian-premier-seeks-health-care-in-U-S-3198150.php

[dsi1]

I have a package of hollow diamond bits especially for drilling through our hard porcelain tile. I also have an awesome impact drill but won't use that on the tile. The sink will have an integrated top and bowl and the cabinet will be replaced too. That seems like an easy enough job.

[Dave Smith]

Yes, Premier Williams opted for surgery in Miami for a faulty heart
valve. He could have had it at home but he called a doctor friend in the
US who recommended a doctor in Miami who would use a less invasive
procedure and he went ahead without checking out his options at home.

The article makes a claim about Canadian doctors being paid 42% of what
American doctors are paid. The site below paints a completely different
picture. It says that American an average of $237,000 after taxes and
expenses and medical specialists earned around $341,000, and that
Canadian doctorsaveraged $281,000 and medical specialists earned
$360,000.Knock off 20% for operational costs and $225,000 and $288,000,
so a much smaller difference that your article claimed.

https://www.dr-bill.ca/blog/practice-management/doctor-salary-us-vs-canada/

Your article talks about Canada being 14th on the list of 25 countries
for access to MRIs, yet American wait times for MRIs are about the same.
It also said that Canadian women are one quarter less likely to get
mammograms than American women, but when I checked that out I read that
of women aged 50-69 who reported having had a mammogram in the last two
years was 72% in Canada and 72.5%.


So yes, Danny Williams opted to go to Miami to get a surgery, but he
could have got it at home, and the rest is mostly bullshit.... probably
part of the campaign to keep for profit health care and health insurance
profitable.

[dsi1]

On Wednesday, December 23, 2020 at 11:43:31 PM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1" wrote in message
> news:a57e81ea-7493-4c7c...@googlegroups.com...

> ===
>
> "He no like buy, because it is not on sale, he so pake, yah?"
One does not have to be a pake to be pake, but it probably helps.
Interestingly enough, there are no derogatory words for other races in the Hawaiian language. Well, there might be but I'm not aware of any.

[Gary]

Alex wrote:
> This is something new. I have no interest in it myself but for a lot
> more money you can get this:
>
> * VoiceIQ Technology links proven platforms – Amazon^® Alexa^® or
> Google^® Assistant-enabled devices and Delta Touch_2 O Technology
> faucets – into a next-generation solution
> * Voice Activation can turn the water on and off, pour specific
> amounts, and even warm up using your voice enabled device

Good grief! Technology has run rampant these days. That's as dumb as the
smart refridgerator that you can call up from a grocery store to find
out what's inside.

>

[Gary]

On 12/24/2020 3:04 PM, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
> On Thursday, December 24, 2020 at 1:41:13 PM UTC-6, Master Bruce wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 24 Dec 2020 04:11:37 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>> <angelica...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I retrieved the mail from the mailbox and put it in the recycling bin.
>>
>> Somebody please explain to Cindy what the purpose of mail is.
>>
> Since that mail went to the recycling bin I'm going to make a wild
> guess that it was junk mail.

Here's a true story about junk mail that happened to me once:

I got several letters in snail mail one day. I stood in the kitchen
glancing at them and put junk mail unopened into the trash can.

Then one was from DelMonte (makes canned vegetables). An odd one. It was
halfway to the trash can then I decided to open and look at it first.

It contained a "congratulations" letter and a check for $100 for any
groceries from my store. I still figured it was some spam thing and I
looked for "the fine print." There was none that I could see.

So I took it to my grocery store and showed it to the store manager. He
verified it as true. Said, "Each store got 2 winners and I was happy to
see that you were one of them."

What I never thought about was that my young daughter would love to fill
out those raffle things in the store occasionally. I let her do it and
this one actually won.

So... I got $100 of free groceries and to think I came so close to
tossing that envelope in the trash can unopened.

I open all junk mail these days.

[Dave Smith]

I had a similar incident involving a phone call. I as skeptical. It
turned out to be from my internet provider and they were offering me two
free tickets to see Pygmalion at the Shaw Festival. I was looking for
the catch, but there was none. They had a block of tickets and were
offering them to their customers. It was a matinee performance on a
beautiful summer day.

[Cindy Hamilton]

Medicare is not a health savings account. It's a means of spreading
risk all across the elderly population. That's what insurance does.

Cindy Hamilton

[jmcquown]

I agree. Ditto being able to turn on your "smart" washing machine via
phone when you're not home. Get back to me when the technology can take
the laundry out of the hamper, sort it and put it *in* the machine. It
would also need to be able to take the finished load out of the washer
and put it in the dryer. ;)

Jill

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Friday, December 25, 2020 at 8:34:09 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
> Alex wrote:
> > This is something new. I have no interest in it myself but for a lot
> > more money you can get this:
> >
> > * VoiceIQ Technology links proven platforms – Amazon^® Alexa^® or
> > Google^® Assistant-enabled devices and Delta Touch_2 O Technology
> > faucets – into a next-generation solution
> > * Voice Activation can turn the water on and off, pour specific
> > amounts, and even warm up using your voice enabled device
> Good grief! Technology has run rampant these days.

Suppose you had some disability that made it difficult to reach across
the sink to turn on the faucet.

Although I suppose that market is really too small to support the
amount of voice-assisted tech there is.

Cindy Hamilton

[Bryan Simmons]

More electronic shit to break.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

--Bryan

[Taxed and Spent]

Don't bother me until we can say "Replicator, make me a grilled Reuben
with a bowl of Mulligatawny on the side."

[Cindy Hamilton]

No argument there from me. If I couldn't reach the handles to
turn on the water, I'd get a foot pedal.

Cindy Hamilton

[jmcquown]

On 12/25/2020 1:19 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Friday, December 25, 2020 at 8:34:09 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
>> Alex wrote:
>>> This is something new. I have no interest in it myself but for a lot
>>> more money you can get this:
>>>
>>> * VoiceIQ Technology links proven platforms – Amazon^® Alexa^® or
>>> Google^® Assistant-enabled devices and Delta Touch_2 O Technology
>>> faucets – into a next-generation solution
>>> * Voice Activation can turn the water on and off, pour specific
>>> amounts, and even warm up using your voice enabled device
>> Good grief! Technology has run rampant these days.
>
> Suppose you had some disability that made it difficult to reach across
> the sink to turn on the faucet.
>

The problem with that supposition is how did they get the vessel under
the faucet in the first place? If they're so disabled they can't turn
on the faucet, who held the measuring cup under the faucet and said "2
cups"? The smart device can't place the vessel in the sink or hold it
under a faucet.

> Although I suppose that market is really too small to support the
> amount of voice-assisted tech there is.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>

From what I can tell, it's geared toward millenials who want the latest
and greatest wifi remote techology. I don't actually care. They might
start to care when it comes to those components failing and trying to
sort out whether it's the appliance or the Alexa device that caused
whatever to stop working. Who do you call? Is Amazon going to back it
or throw it back to Delta smart brand faucet? Sounds like it could turn
into a ping-pong tournament if something went wrong.

I'll stick with non-smart faucets and appliances, thank you.

Jill

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Friday, December 25, 2020 at 3:03:00 PM UTC-5, j_mc...@comcast.net wrote:
> On 12/25/2020 1:19 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Friday, December 25, 2020 at 8:34:09 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
> >> Alex wrote:
> >>> This is something new. I have no interest in it myself but for a lot
> >>> more money you can get this:
> >>>
> >>> * VoiceIQ Technology links proven platforms – Amazon^® Alexa^® or
> >>> Google^® Assistant-enabled devices and Delta Touch_2 O Technology
> >>> faucets – into a next-generation solution
> >>> * Voice Activation can turn the water on and off, pour specific
> >>> amounts, and even warm up using your voice enabled device
> >> Good grief! Technology has run rampant these days.
> >
> > Suppose you had some disability that made it difficult to reach across
> > the sink to turn on the faucet.
> >
> The problem with that supposition is how did they get the vessel under
> the faucet in the first place? If they're so disabled they can't turn
> on the faucet, who held the measuring cup under the faucet and said "2
> cups"? The smart device can't place the vessel in the sink or hold it
> under a faucet.

My high-rise faucet can direct the water nearly to the front edge of the
sink. If I couldn't reach all the way to the back (suppose I was in
a wheelchair), I still might be able to put something into the sink
near the front.

> > Although I suppose that market is really too small to support the
> > amount of voice-assisted tech there is.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
> >
> From what I can tell, it's geared toward millenials who want the latest
> and greatest wifi remote techology. I don't actually care. They might
> start to care when it comes to those components failing and trying to
> sort out whether it's the appliance or the Alexa device that caused
> whatever to stop working. Who do you call? Is Amazon going to back it
> or throw it back to Delta smart brand faucet? Sounds like it could turn
> into a ping-pong tournament if something went wrong.
>
> I'll stick with non-smart faucets and appliances, thank you.

Me, too.

Cindy Hamilton

[Sheldon Martin]

I open all mail if only to remove my name and address. I occasionally
get mail from Walgreens drug store with a small check, about a dollar,
for something they over charged my Visa, as the price dropped the next
day. Anyway junk mail goes in our shredder. I hate when junk mail
prints our name and address on the envelope and on every page, front
and back, plus they print those small designs that can be scanned with
a smart phone to see your ID. Thats why we bought a cross cut micro
shredder.

[cshenk]

jmcquown wrote:

> On 12/25/2020 1:19 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Friday, December 25, 2020 at 8:34:09 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
> > > Alex wrote:
> > > > This is something new. I have no interest in it myself but for
> > > > a lot more money you can get this:
> > > >
> > > > * VoiceIQ Technology links proven platforms – Amazon^® Alexa^®
> > > > or Google^® Assistant-enabled devices and Delta Touch_2 O
> > > > Technology faucets – into a next-generation solution
> > > > * Voice Activation can turn the water on and off, pour specific
> > > > amounts, and even warm up using your voice enabled device
> > > Good grief! Technology has run rampant these days.
> >
> > Suppose you had some disability that made it difficult to reach
> > across the sink to turn on the faucet.
> >
> The problem with that supposition is how did they get the vessel
> under the faucet in the first place? If they're so disabled they
> can't turn on the faucet, who held the measuring cup under the faucet
> and said "2 cups"? The smart device can't place the vessel in the
> sink or hold it under a faucet.

Blind people. Hard to meaure 2 cups of water etc.

[Master Bruce]

On Fri, 25 Dec 2020 15:39:52 -0500, Sheldon Martin <penm...@aol.com>
wrote:

>On Fri, 25 Dec 2020 08:35:08 -0500, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:
>
>>Here's a true story about junk mail that happened to me once:
>>
>>I got several letters in snail mail one day. I stood in the kitchen
>>glancing at them and put junk mail unopened into the trash can.
>>
>>Then one was from DelMonte (makes canned vegetables). An odd one. It was
>>halfway to the trash can then I decided to open and look at it first.
>>
>>It contained a "congratulations" letter and a check for $100 for any
>>groceries from my store. I still figured it was some spam thing and I
>>looked for "the fine print." There was none that I could see.
>>
>>So I took it to my grocery store and showed it to the store manager. He
>>verified it as true. Said, "Each store got 2 winners and I was happy to
>>see that you were one of them."
>>
>>What I never thought about was that my young daughter would love to fill
>>out those raffle things in the store occasionally. I let her do it and
>>this one actually won.
>>
>>So... I got $100 of free groceries and to think I came so close to
>>tossing that envelope in the trash can unopened.
>>
>>I open all junk mail these days.
>
>I open all mail if only to remove my name and address. I occasionally
>get mail from Walgreens drug store with a small check, about a dollar,
>for something they over charged my Visa

How inefficient, quaint and old fashioned.

[jmcquown]

You discount the abilities of blind people.

Jill

[jmcquown]

On 12/25/2020 3:45 PM, cshenk wrote:

> Blind people. Hard to meaure 2 cups of water etc.
>

You're such a A Not-See.

[cshenk]

No, I am posting facts. THey 'can' but this is easier.

[Alex]

The hollow diamond bits works well.  I bought two Drilax bits on Amazon
and needed only one.  You are correct - an impact driver/drill is not
the right tool for this.  Start slowly at a 45 degree angle until you
cut enough to drill it straight without moving.  Keep the drill slow and
drip a few drops of water along the way if the tile is more than 3/8" thick.

The single hole faucets are the thing now and look really good. Whatever
you decide, just make sure they drill it correctly and choose your
faucet based on the setback from the hole to where you want the water to
fall.  I have an undermount sink on a quartz top and had to go with a
faucet with a bit of a longer reach or we would be washing our hands
against the back of the sink.

[Alex]

We have one of those but didn't buy it for that feature.  You can only
see the items in front so it's useless for shopping.  My wife can watch
her Hallmark/Lifetime channel crap on it but it does have some nice
features that are useful.

[John Kuthe]

On Friday, December 25, 2020 at 9:37:12 PM UTC-6, Alex wrote:
...

> > I have a package of hollow diamond bits especially for drilling through our hard porcelain tile. I also have an awesome impact drill but won't use that on the tile. The sink will have an integrated top and bowl and the cabinet will be replaced too. That seems like an easy enough job.
> The hollow diamond bits works well. I bought two Drilax bits on Amazon
> and needed only one. You are correct - an impact driver/drill is not
> the right tool for this. Start slowly at a 45 degree angle until you
> cut enough to drill it straight without moving. Keep the drill slow and
> drip a few drops of water along the way if the tile is more than 3/8" thick.
>
> The single hole faucets are the thing now and look really good. Whatever
> you decide, just make sure they drill it correctly and choose your
> faucet based on the setback from the hole to where you want the water to
> fall. I have an undermount sink on a quartz top and had to go with a
> faucet with a bit of a longer reach or we would be washing our hands
> against the back of the sink.

You should like a man who really knows your tools, eh Alex? ;-)

Not sure how to take that? Yeah, me either! ;-)


John Kuthe...

[Alex]

WTF are you trying to say?  Go take a nap in your yard, bozo.

[Ophelia]

"dsi1" wrote in message
news:bb0d3e65-e3b4-4dfd...@googlegroups.com...

====

LOL nooo. I didn't really understand so I looked it up and that is what I
found:))

I still am not sure:) Does it mean we are careful with spending? If so,
I am pake too:))

I didn't realise it was a derogatory term, sorry!

[Gary]

On 12/25/2020 3:45 PM, cshenk wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:

>> The problem with that supposition is how did they get the vessel
>> under the faucet in the first place? If they're so disabled they
>> can't turn on the faucet, who held the measuring cup under the faucet
>> and said "2 cups"? The smart device can't place the vessel in the
>> sink or hold it under a faucet.
>
> Blind people. Hard to meaure 2 cups of water etc.

Hmmm...a blind person cooking dinner then washing dishes afterwards.
Sounds like a good Saturday Night Live skit.

Blind person grocery shopping would be good too.

[Gary]

Alex wrote:

> Gary wrote:
>> Good grief! Technology has run rampant these days. That's as dumb as
>> the smart refridgerator that you can call up from a grocery store to
>> find out what's inside.

> We have one of those but didn't buy it for that feature. You can only
> see the items in front so it's useless for shopping. My wife can watch
> her Hallmark/Lifetime channel crap on it but it does have some nice
> features that are useful.

Your wife watches tv on the fridge?

[Cindy Hamilton]

1. Do you think all blind people live with someone?

2. Do you think it's fun to laugh at handicapped people?

Cindy Hamilton

[Graham]

Only if you're Trump!

[Gary]

I laugh at life in general. Including myself, Trump and Graham's
questions above.

[GM]

Flagrant

Flagrant
disregard for winter:
the Canada geese stay.
Like my heart,
itself a former
vagrant...

--
Best
Greg

[Dave Smith]

Blind people are not always 100% blind.

[jmcquown]

My mom's youngest sister, my Aunt Jean, was legally blind. Not totally
blind but it was very severe. She lost her sight in her late 20's due
to diabetic complications. It was juvenile onset diabetes and at that
time (1930's) no one really knew much about this disease. Insulin was
not yet readily available. She lost most of her sight early. Yet she
could cook up a storm and didn't need anyone to tell her when the 2 cup
measure was filled to 2 cups of water. By crooking her finger over the
glass measuring cup while it was under the faucet, she could tell. Same
thing with measuring flour or dry ingredients. She had specific
measuring cups and knew their sizes by touch. She made wonderful German
Chocolate cake with Coconut Pecan Frosting!

The only thing she asked was that no one try to help her in the kitchen.
She knew where everything was. People trying to "help" tended to move
things around.

She was also very good at ceramics. She took a ceramics class and so
she had access to molds and glazes and a kiln. She made a serving bowl
shaped like a large cabbage leaf. I use that to serve corned beef &
cabbage. :) When I was a little girl she made me a little upside down
kitten; it was a chewing gum holder (the gum was supposed to be like a
ball of yarn the kitten was playing with). It was cute.

She did all these things without digital assistance. Yes, she was
married; Uncle Howard died about four years before she did. She didn't
want him futzing around in her kitchen, either. ;)

Jill

[jmcquown]

I just posted about my Aunt who was, for most of her life, legally
blind. Somehow she managed to cook and bake and wash dishes and do all
the things sighted people can do. And then some.

There are likely blind people who live in this digital age who think
telling the faucet how much to dispense via voice is a great idea.
Sounds to me like it's making them more dependent on technology. What
happens when the batteries go out or wifi goes down? No water? You
already know where the sink is. You should be able to measure 2 cups of
water. Especially if you're blind and *cooking*.

Jill

[Sheldon Martin]

On Sat, 26 Dec 2020 10:31:08 -0500, Dave Smith
<adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>On 2020-12-26 8:25 a.m., Gary wrote:
>> On 12/25/2020 3:45 PM, cshenk wrote:
>
>>> Blind people.  Hard to meaure 2 cups of water etc.
>>
>> Hmmm...a blind person cooking dinner then washing dishes afterwards.
>> Sounds like a good Saturday Night Live skit.
>>
>> Blind person grocery shopping would be good too.

Today blind people can shop by phone and stores deliver, they'd do
better than Julie.

>Blind people are not always 100% blind.

This is a company that supplies aids for the handicapped, even the
blind, there has been much technical advances made for the
handicapped. One needn't be able to see if the weekly supermarket
flyer is interactive, can be scanned, can converse with you, and take
your order.
https://www.maxiaids.com/

[Sheldon Martin]

On Sat, 26 Dec 2020 13:22:54 -0500, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

A lot of cooks and bakers use measures that you just fill to the
top... used like measuring spoons. I'm sure there must be measures
marked with braille. I can see especially well now after my cateract
eye surgery but I rarely measure. I've been pouring my sprite and
vodka for more years than I want to know and I've no need to
measure... any good bar tender doesn't measure. I bet I can tell your
bra size without seeing, I prefer the braille method... you wouldn't
mind if it takes me an hour for an accurate measurement. ;)

[Mike Duffy]

On Sat, 26 Dec 2020 13:22:54 -0500, jmcquown wrote:

> You should be able to measure 2 cups of water.

*Every* morning, I count 4 seconds of kitchen 'hot' already running (&
heated up) into my kettle, then on the stove with 'turbo boil' setting.

The water is a bit over the volume of my coffee mug, with a bit of
spillage allowance in case I'm still wobbly from not having my coffee yet.

I have 90 seconds to get a cup, put the plastic filter-holder on, put in
the filter, get the coffee, and spoon some into the filter.

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 12/25/2020 1:19 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> On Friday, December 25, 2020 at 8:34:09 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
>> Alex wrote:
>>> This is something new. I have no interest in it myself but for a lot
>>> more money you can get this:
>>>
>>> * VoiceIQ Technology links proven platforms – Amazon^® Alexa^® or
>>> Google^® Assistant-enabled devices and Delta Touch_2 O Technology
>>> faucets – into a next-generation solution
>>> * Voice Activation can turn the water on and off, pour specific
>>> amounts, and even warm up using your voice enabled device

>> Good grief! Technology has run rampant these days.
>

> Suppose you had some disability that made it difficult to reach across
> the sink to turn on the faucet.
>

> Although I suppose that market is really too small to support the
> amount of voice-assisted tech there is.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>

Some things make sense. I can turn a couple of lights on/off by voice
and it is handy when your hands are full or otherwise cannot easily
access the switch. Standing at the sink, I don't see the need to use a
verbal command.

We all take the TV remote for granted these days though.

[cshenk]

You do realize they cook and wash dishes and all normal things. They
bake bread too.

[Leo]

On 2020 Dec 26, , Gary wrote
(in article <rs7do6$1o2$2...@dont-email.me>):

> Your wife watches tv on the fridge?

Fridge-a-vision is the next big thing. Catch up!

[cshenk]

And even those who are, adjust in time to do most things. Measuring
basic items isn't a problem. It's apt to be a little 'easier' with a
faucet that does it for you if it's reasonably accurate.

Cans are handled at home by putting them in specific rows or labels
that have raised markings. Canned cheap tuna sloshes in the can,
canned chicken doesn't. It's not rocket science...

Carol

[cshenk]

> cups of water. Especially if you're blind and cooking.
>
> Jill

They can, it's just a little easier is all.

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 12/26/2020 8:46 PM, cshenk wrote:

>>>
>>> Blind person grocery shopping would be good too.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Blind people are not always 100% blind.
>
> And even those who are, adjust in time to do most things. Measuring
> basic items isn't a problem. It's apt to be a little 'easier' with a
> faucet that does it for you if it's reasonably accurate.
>
> Cans are handled at home by putting them in specific rows or labels
> that have raised markings. Canned cheap tuna sloshes in the can,
> canned chicken doesn't. It's not rocket science...
>
> Carol
>

Back in high school I delivered groceries to a blind couple. I would
put away the canned veggies in particular places. Corn here, beans
there, etc. They paid in cash and the bills in the wallet were in a
particular order too. I don't know if they had other help but the house
was always in order.