OT Chicago lakefront bike trail COVID experiment

[jgro...@hotmail.com]

It is strange that the Chicago beaches are closed yet the adjoining bike and walkways are open. You can sit on the park benches next to the bike lanes.

I sat on a bench for one hour last Saturday while dozens of bikers past within 5 feet of me. If the COVID Super Spreader rate is 3 percent, then at least 3 asymptomatic bikers rode past me. I have no issues after 7 days, other than back spasms from lifting a water bucket, which I took ibuprofen for.

[Thomas]

Did you or the bikers wear a mask?

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 2:27:36 PM UTC-5, Thomas wrote:
>
> Did you or the bikers wear a mask?
>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7dVJkyyYMQ

[jgro...@hotmail.com]

I took off my mask to eat lunch. I didn't check every biker. In fact I'm back on the park bench now. Maybe 25 percent of bikers and walkers are mask covered.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 4:52:22 PM UTC-5, jgro...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> I took off my mask to eat lunch. I didn't check every biker. In fact I'm back on the park bench now. Maybe 25 percent of bikers and walkers are mask covered.
>

You're outdoors with a mask on? If you're not talking with anyone or anyone
is sitting close to you you don't have to wear that muzzle.

Yesterday morning I made an attempt to stop at the bank. While putting on
my muzzle I see a guy walking his dog with a mask on and rubber gloves. N.O.
O.N.E. was out on the street but him. It's a shame these masks don't impart
a bit of common sense.

[Bruce]

On Sat, 1 Aug 2020 15:08:04 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
<itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:

>On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 4:52:22 PM UTC-5, jgro...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>
>> I took off my mask to eat lunch. I didn't check every biker. In fact I'm back on the park bench now. Maybe 25 percent of bikers and walkers are mask covered.
>>
>You're outdoors with a mask on? If you're not talking with anyone or anyone
>is sitting close to you you don't have to wear that muzzle.

You don't have to wear a mask at all. First amendment! And second
amendment! And all the other amendments! Nobody takes away our
liberties! Hide in the hills! Vote Republican! Long live Donald!

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 5:10:39 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>
> Vote Republican! Long live Donald!
>

I agree!!

https://i.postimg.cc/65NYH6tp/Joe-Biden-Sign.jpg

[Bruce]

I bet you're not reading the niece's book. Facts would get in the way
:)

Have you resigned to the fact that Trump's going to lose?

[Mike Duffy]

On Sat, 01 Aug 2020 15:08:04 -0700, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:

> [...] I see a guy walking his dog with a mask on and rubber gloves.

In winter I put little booties on my dog.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 6:10:35 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>
> On Sat, 1 Aug 2020 15:29:21 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
> <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>
> I bet you're not reading the niece's book. Facts would get in the way
> :)
>

Now, why would I want to read her book? She makes claims she couldn't
have possibly been a witness to. As with all authors of exposés, she
has an ax to grind.

>
> Have you resigned to the fact that Trump's going to lose?
>

It's not over until the fat lady sings.

[Bruce]

On Sat, 1 Aug 2020 15:08:04 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
<itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:

>On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 4:52:22 PM UTC-5, jgro...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>
>> I took off my mask to eat lunch. I didn't check every biker. In fact I'm back on the park bench now. Maybe 25 percent of bikers and walkers are mask covered.
>>
>You're outdoors with a mask on? If you're not talking with anyone or anyone
>is sitting close to you you don't have to wear that muzzle.
>
>Yesterday morning I made an attempt to stop at the bank. While putting on
>my muzzle I see a guy walking his dog with a mask on and rubber gloves.

And was the guy wearing any protection?

[Bruce]

On Sat, 1 Aug 2020 17:24:27 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"

<itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:

>On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 6:10:35 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, 1 Aug 2020 15:29:21 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
>> <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>>
>> I bet you're not reading the niece's book. Facts would get in the way
>> :)
>>
>Now, why would I want to read her book? She makes claims she couldn't
>have possibly been a witness to. As with all authors of exposés, she
>has an ax to grind.

I haven't read any such claims yet and I'm past the halfway point.
Amazing how you know this without reading the book. Not that I thought
you'd read it. Facts about your hero... brrr :)

>> Have you resigned to the fact that Trump's going to lose?
>>
>It's not over until the fat lady sings.

True. He might start a war Bush Jr Style.

[Bruce]

I'll add that as a chronic bed - wetter I always use rubber sheets.

[Taxed and Spent]

What does Oprah have to do with it?

[Bruce]

She sings?

[Hank Rogers]

Try wearing it underneath your nose to get more common sense :)

[Hank Rogers]

<*SNIFF*>

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

Will your pooch be wearing a Covid-19 mask this winter?

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

*SNIGGER*

[Cindy Hamilton]

Perhaps he had just come from some indoor public location.

If you suspect your mask might have become contaminated, it's better
to leave it on than to continually remove and replace it.

Cindy Hamilton

[Gary]

Taxed and Spent wrote:
>
> joan wrote:

> > Bruce wrote:
> >> Have you resigned to the fact that Trump's going to lose?
> >>
> > It's not over until the fat lady sings.
> >
>
> What does Oprah have to do with it?

Good one. ;)

[Gary]

A couple of months ago, I was out in the neighborhood and
a woman was walking her little dog. The dog had a mask hung
around it's neck.

I had to ask. She told me she tried a mask on at home and
the dog seemed very interested so she asked, "Would you
like a mask too?"

So she puts one on the dog. LOL

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Sunday, August 2, 2020 at 5:35:04 AM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> If you suspect your mask might have become contaminated, it's better
> to leave it on than to continually remove and replace it.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>

My mask comes off every time I leave a store. Sometimes while I'm in a
store I will find a corner and lift it from the bottom to get a breath
of air as I often feel like I'm smothering.

[Bruce]

I'm not sure if it's wise to horse around too much with the thing. But
then I've never worn one yet.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

Lucky you. The feeling of not getting enough air is stressful, to say
the least. Then there's the feeling your face is so nasty after wearing
a mask for a while. And that's a mask with the ventilator hole, too.

https://i.postimg.cc/cHSWkPm3/Ventilator-Mask.jpg

[Bruce]

On Sun, 2 Aug 2020 13:28:42 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"

<itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:

>On Sunday, August 2, 2020 at 3:17:51 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, 2 Aug 2020 12:48:21 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
>> <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>>
>> >My mask comes off every time I leave a store. Sometimes while I'm in a
>> >store I will find a corner and lift it from the bottom to get a breath
>> >of air as I often feel like I'm smothering.
>>
>> I'm not sure if it's wise to horse around too much with the thing. But
>> then I've never worn one yet.
>>
>Lucky you. The feeling of not getting enough air is stressful, to say
>the least. Then there's the feeling your face is so nasty after wearing
>a mask for a while. And that's a mask with the ventilator hole, too.
>
>https://i.postimg.cc/cHSWkPm3/Ventilator-Mask.jpg

We don't have anything that fancy. Is it compulsory in your state?

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

Wellllllll, yes and no in the city. But it's awfully hard to enforce it.
The downtown bars seem to be the hardest to get people to comply.

[Ed Pawlowski]

Bars are suspected to be a big source of the present surge of
infections. Still a lot of non believers that think it is only other
people that will get sick.

[Bruce]

On Sun, 2 Aug 2020 14:15:17 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"

<itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:

>On Sunday, August 2, 2020 at 3:32:46 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, 2 Aug 2020 13:28:42 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
>> <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>>
>> >https://i.postimg.cc/cHSWkPm3/Ventilator-Mask.jpg
>>
>> We don't have anything that fancy. Is it compulsory in your state?
>>
>Wellllllll, yes and no in the city. But it's awfully hard to enforce it.
>The downtown bars seem to be the hardest to get people to comply.

We've not been going to bars or restaurants since early March. Only
the necessary grocery shopping.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Sunday, August 2, 2020 at 4:49:05 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> Bars are suspected to be a big source of the present surge of
> infections. Still a lot of non believers that think it is only other
> people that will get sick.
>

You should see the pictures of the downtown crowds and maybe 1 in 100
with a mask on.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Sunday, August 2, 2020 at 4:57:07 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>
> We've not been going to bars or restaurants since early March. Only
> the necessary grocery shopping.
>

I've only been to one sit down restaurant and 2 or 3 carry out places.

[graham]

Then get a different mask! You shouldn't be experiencing any such problems!

[Hank Rogers]

You *can't* wear them ... Interferes with your hobby.

[Hank Rogers]

Bars, churches and restaurants should be closed, except for take out.

[Hank Rogers]

Not to mention the idiotic "covid parties".

[Hank Rogers]

Bruce wrote:
> On Sun, 2 Aug 2020 14:15:17 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
> <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, August 2, 2020 at 3:32:46 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sun, 2 Aug 2020 13:28:42 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
>>> <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> https://i.postimg.cc/cHSWkPm3/Ventilator-Mask.jpg
>>>
>>> We don't have anything that fancy. Is it compulsory in your state?
>>>
>> Wellllllll, yes and no in the city. But it's awfully hard to enforce it.
>> The downtown bars seem to be the hardest to get people to comply.
>
> We've not been going to bars or restaurants since early March. Only
> the necessary grocery shopping.
>

A wise choice. I wish more of the deplorable americans would do the
same.

[Bruce]

Mainly young people, I guess. They know it won't hit them too hard,
most likely. But in the meantime, they spread it.

[Bruce]

Well I rigged up a very used jockstrap to use as a mask.

[Bruce]

Que?

[Bruce]

We've been very careful and still caught a light cold 2 weeks ago.
That could also have been covid then.

[Dave Smith]

Heck. I saw the pictures of all the people on the Raleigh NC beach.There
had to be 100,000 people. Then it occurred to me that I do have some
knowledge of geography, so I went to Google Maps and confirmed that the
closest beach to Raleigh is 130 miles away from the city. Dang. It was
on the Internet and it wasn't true.

[Dave Smith]

I have tried several different masks and I have trouble breathing with
all of them. I find the cheap, disposable masks the least troublesome.

[Hank Rogers]

And they offer the least protection.

[Mike Duffy]

On Sun, 02 Aug 2020 17:24:27 -0500, Hank Rogers wrote:

> Bars, churches and restaurants should be closed, except for take out.

I'm 100% with you on bars allowing people to take out their drinks.

I'm just not clear on what can be taken out at a church.


I have heard though that 'falling under the spirit' is Pentecostal for
some sort of a holy fucking compulsion. That, or some sort of 'get out of
hell free' card for later back-sliding. (Or front-sliding too I suppose.)

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

I'm on my third mask and all of them give me a feeling of smothering after
wearing them for about 15 or 20 minutes.

[Bruce]

Maybe it's psychological and it makes you feel slightly
claustrophobic.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

I dunno but lifting it up from the chin and several deep breaths help for
a few minutes.

[Bruce]

On Sun, 2 Aug 2020 19:18:30 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"

<itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:

>On Sunday, August 2, 2020 at 9:15:35 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, 2 Aug 2020 19:10:58 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
>> <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>>
>> >I'm on my third mask and all of them give me a feeling of smothering after
>> >wearing them for about 15 or 20 minutes.
>>
>> Maybe it's psychological and it makes you feel slightly
>> claustrophobic.
>>
>I dunno but lifting it up from the chin and several deep breaths help for
>a few minutes.

That doesn't seem too dangerous. Or else try to hold out until you're
outside.

[graham]

The only time I've had any trouble is when cycling up a slope wearing
one of those disposable blue masks and therefore breathing more heavily
than usual. No problem with a cloth one under the same circumstances.
Otherwise no problems with 3 different double cloth ones and the
disposable kind. I'm 6'3" and 183lbs.

[Leo]

On 2020 Aug 2, , Bruce wrote
(in article<02geifl3sq8fuc8b8...@4ax.com>):

> We've been very careful and still caught a light cold 2 weeks ago.
> That could also have been covid then.

Yeah. My wife and I are hyper vigilant. So far, so good.

[Bruce]

On Mon, 03 Aug 2020 00:23:47 -0700, Leo <leobla...@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:

That's what we thought. But if you can catch an innocent cold virus...

[Gary]

The thicker better masks just don't let in much fresh air.
You're breathing half fresh and half stale air so less
oxygen. I occasionally will pull mine up off my nose for a
breath or 2 when no one is nearby. Big difference.

Again, here's the good one I use:
https://www.hostpic.org/images/2006031558400088.jpg

You can buy thinner masks but they're not as effective.

[Gary]

Bruce wrote:
>
> Leo wrote:

>
> > Bruce wrote:
> >
> >> We've been very careful and still caught a light cold 2 weeks ago.
> >> That could also have been covid then.
> >
> >Yeah. My wife and I are hyper vigilant. So far, so good.
>
> That's what we thought. But if you can catch an innocent cold virus...

Let your innocent cold virus be a friendly warning to you.
You just said that you haven't worn a mask yet.
That virus is in your country. Just saw a news thing this
morning about Melbourne lockdown and you might be far from
there but people do travel and the virus with them.

Just wear a mask when in a store or anytime around people
other than yourselves. And wash hands after. Those aren't
completely failsafe but it's the best we can do for now.

Only thing I've done since March is a grocery store trip
once ever week or two. I won't even trust takeout food as
you never know who's inside making that food. I've known
of many "poor" people that will go to work when feeling
sick just because they don't get sick pay and can't
afford the pay loss.

[Ophelia]

"Gary" wrote in message news:5F27DCFD...@att.net...

==

I have a mask with a filter that can be changed!





--
This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
https://www.avg.com

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Sunday, August 2, 2020 at 4:28:45 PM UTC-4, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
> On Sunday, August 2, 2020 at 3:17:51 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:

> >
> > On Sun, 2 Aug 2020 12:48:21 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
> > <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
> >
> > >My mask comes off every time I leave a store. Sometimes while I'm in a
> > >store I will find a corner and lift it from the bottom to get a breath
> > >of air as I often feel like I'm smothering.
> >

> > I'm not sure if it's wise to horse around too much with the thing. But
> > then I've never worn one yet.
> >

> Lucky you. The feeling of not getting enough air is stressful, to say
> the least. Then there's the feeling your face is so nasty after wearing
> a mask for a while. And that's a mask with the ventilator hole, too.
>
> https://i.postimg.cc/cHSWkPm3/Ventilator-Mask.jpg

The ventilator hole defeats the purpose of keeping your germs inside
and protecting other people from your possible asymptomatic case of
COVID-19.

Cindy Hamilton

[Leo]

On 2020 Aug 3, , Bruce wrote
(in article<0vifif98fus5ci21r...@4ax.com>):

> That's what we thought. But if you can catch an innocent cold virus...

Since this coronavirus is in the common cold family, it will be regarded as a
common ailment in 2030, or we will all be sickly or dead. So far, it hasn’t
been shown to be seasonal. The good news is that diseases that kill are not
very successful in the long run. They adapt to us, so they can live as well.
I googled “common cold” when covid first arrived. You will find
supposition as google's answer. Nobody knows nothin’, but supposition is
rampant. The common cold easily could have decimated humanity once upon a
time.
2 cents

leo

[Bruce]

On Mon, 03 Aug 2020 05:47:55 -0400, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:

>Bruce wrote:
>>
>> That's what we thought. But if you can catch an innocent cold virus...
>
>Let your innocent cold virus be a friendly warning to you.

That's how I see it.

>You just said that you haven't worn a mask yet.
>That virus is in your country. Just saw a news thing this
>morning about Melbourne lockdown and you might be far from
>there but people do travel and the virus with them.
>
>Just wear a mask when in a store or anytime around people
>other than yourselves. And wash hands after. Those aren't
>completely failsafe but it's the best we can do for now.
>
>Only thing I've done since March is a grocery store trip
>once ever week or two. I won't even trust takeout food as
>you never know who's inside making that food. I've known
>of many "poor" people that will go to work when feeling
>sick just because they don't get sick pay and can't
>afford the pay loss.

What you say is true, although, having read stuff, I think that
getting covid from food is very unlikely. Same with handling
"contaminated" mail packages, for instance. Theoretically possible,
maybe, but very unlikely. When they do "contact tracing", they trace
people the infected person has been around, not people the infected
person has sent mail to.

If things get worse in our state, masks will definitely become a good
idea.

This is the first time I think it would have been nice to still live
in Tasmania :) If it wasn't for the weather...

[Gary]

Those are known as respirators here. I have one but
don't use it for stores. Mine has a changeable filter
on each side. Each filter has a charcoal packet and a thin
cotton-like dust filter. The mask itself is rubber.

They will seriously filter your breath intake but the little
button nose is used for exhaling and doesn't filter at all.
A little rubber gasket only opens when you exhale.

Keeps YOU safe from breathing in but doesn't provide any
protection to anyone around you if you are sick.

This is similar to mine:
http://images.beatsons.co.uk/images/products/zoom/1350491994-86206700.jpg

[Bruce]

I can't believe those warnings :) Soon you'll see the following
warning when you enter an American shop: "While inside these premises,
don't hold your breath for too long or you may die."

[Gary]

Very true. That little button blows out unfiltered breath from
you.

[Bruce]

On Mon, 03 Aug 2020 03:18:27 -0700, Leo <leobla...@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:

Are you saying the covid virus is going to evolve into something less
lethal to keep its hosts alive?

[Cindy Hamilton]

Not deliberately. But viruses that are highly contagious and
extremely lethal are comparatively rare. They tend to kill their
host before they can propagate. Viruses will more successfully reproduce
if their host lives longer. Successful reproduction is the entire
point of evolution.

Cindy Hamilton

[Gary]

Leo wrote:
>
> The common cold easily could have decimated humanity
> once upon a time.

And still to this day with organ transplant patients.
Once you get a transplanted organ, you have to take
immune-suppressing drugs for the rest of your life.
That prevents your body from rejecting your transplant.

That also opens you up to dying from any virus that
comes along...even the common cold.
Same deal with AIDS virus.

I had a good friend that got a kidney transplant and
she ending up dying a few years later because of that
situation. She was only 38 years old. Not fair at all.

Good one, God. >;o

[Bruce]

On Mon, 3 Aug 2020 03:48:41 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
<angelica...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Monday, August 3, 2020 at 6:34:07 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>> On Mon, 03 Aug 2020 03:18:27 -0700, Leo <leobla...@sbcglobal.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On 2020 Aug 3, , Bruce wrote
>> >(in article<0vifif98fus5ci21r...@4ax.com>):
>> >
>> >> That's what we thought. But if you can catch an innocent cold virus...
>> >
>> >Since this coronavirus is in the common cold family, it will be regarded as a
>> >common ailment in 2030, or we will all be sickly or dead. So far, it hasn’t
>> >been shown to be seasonal. The good news is that diseases that kill are not
>> >very successful in the long run. They adapt to us, so they can live as well.
>> >I googled “common cold” when covid first arrived. You will find
>> >supposition as google's answer. Nobody knows nothin’, but supposition is
>> >rampant. The common cold easily could have decimated humanity once upon a
>> >time.
>> >2 cents
>>
>> Are you saying the covid virus is going to evolve into something less
>> lethal to keep its hosts alive?
>
>Not deliberately. But viruses that are highly contagious and
>extremely lethal are comparatively rare.

Right, covid is highly contagious, but not extremely lethal.

>They tend to kill their host before they can propagate.

Covid doesn't do that.

>Viruses will more successfully reproduce if their host lives longer.

Covid is successfully reproducing because its hosts live longer.

>Successful reproduction is the entire point of evolution.

There is no point behind evolution.

[Ophelia]

"Gary" wrote in message news:5F27E5CD...@att.net...

=====

I have a face mask which has a Scottish Black Watch pattern on the front and
a filter which inserts in to it. I don't have anything that has any filter.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

E V E R Y S I N G L E D A Y there is a news conference, bulletin,
warning, advice, admonishment of what to do, where to go, what not
to do, what type of mask to wear or not to wear. I'm beginning to
think none of the 'experts' know jack shit about this virus or what
anyone should do. Like everybody else, they're just guessing and
hoping one of their guesses is the right one.

I have no symptoms of Covid-19, I know of no one who has shown
symptoms. I know of no one who has had it either. You would think
with the numbers of cases they claim are active you'd see people
falling out in the streets and dying. We're not even going to discuss
the number of people who have died of heart attacks and cancers but
they list the cause of death as Covid-19. Nor do I wish to discuss
the number of reported false/positive readings. The health department
says "OOPS."

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Monday, August 3, 2020 at 5:17:23 AM UTC-5, Leo wrote:
>
> Since this coronavirus is in the common cold family, it will be regarded as a
> common ailment in 2030, or we will all be sickly or dead. So far, it hasn’t
> been shown to be seasonal. The good news is that diseases that kill are not
> very successful in the long run. They adapt to us, so they can live as well.
> I googled “common cold” when covid first arrived. You will find
> supposition as google's answer. Nobody knows nothin’, but supposition is
> rampant. The common cold easily could have decimated humanity once upon a
> time.
> 2 cents
>
> leo
>

Thank you.

[Taxed and Spent]

Yes, and let's not forget the people who died in knife fights,
shootings, suicides with a bullet to the head: all listed as Covid deaths.

And the testing sites that had 98% positives, only to be shamed into
admitting there were only 10% positives.

And the NYC nursing home deaths which were not counted as nursing home
deaths because they were so sick they had to be removed to a hospital,
so were counted as hospital covid deaths, not nursing home covid deaths.

It all stinks, really.

[Dave Smith]

I hope you are not in denial about this virus. Two of our town council
members had it and one of them died. He was in is 40s and very fit. My
wife is involved with an association for retired teachers and there were
several of their members living in homes who died of it. It's real.
Some people get it and don't even know they are sick. Some people test
positive for it but have no symptoms. Some get it and are mildly
affected while others are extremely ill and sometimes for weeks or
months, and some die of it. It is quite real.

[Bruce]

On Mon, 3 Aug 2020 09:23:36 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
<itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:

>On Monday, August 3, 2020 at 5:11:05 AM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>> The ventilator hole defeats the purpose of keeping your germs inside
>> and protecting other people from your possible asymptomatic case of
>> COVID-19.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
>E V E R Y S I N G L E D A Y there is a news conference, bulletin,
>warning, advice, admonishment of what to do, where to go, what not
>to do, what type of mask to wear or not to wear. I'm beginning to
>think none of the 'experts' know jack shit about this virus or what
>anyone should do. Like everybody else, they're just guessing and
>hoping one of their guesses is the right one.

They're learning. It's a new one.

>I have no symptoms of Covid-19, I know of no one who has shown
>symptoms. I know of no one who has had it either. You would think
>with the numbers of cases they claim are active you'd see people
>falling out in the streets and dying.

Because the US has 480 dead per 1 million people. Or approx. 5 dead
per 10,000 people. Chances are you don't know any of those people, but
it's still a lot. Almost 160,000 people in your country alone. And
counting.

I know one person who died of corona. He was in his 80s.

>We're not even going to discuss
>the number of people who have died of heart attacks and cancers but
>they list the cause of death as Covid-19.

Why would they do that? A conspiracy by big pharma? The Chinese are
behind it? They're trying to take away your Amendments? Nancy Pelosi?

>Nor do I wish to discuss the number of reported false/positive readings. The health department
>says "OOPS."

So there's no need to wear a mask and keep distance?

[Taxed and Spent]

$$$$$$.

DUH

[Bruce]

Most rich and powerful people are losing a lot of money to this
crisis.

But yeah, maybe it's a conspiracy of the face mask mafia.

[Taxed and Spent]

The CARES Act pays hospitals more if the patient is a Covid patient.
It's the law.

[dsi1]

For a lot of people, covid-19 will remain abstract and unknowable or a liberal/Chinese hoax until an event happens that makes it real to them. Then things will get really real in a real hurry.

[Bruce]

On Mon, 3 Aug 2020 13:14:37 -0700, Taxed and Spent

In the US maybe, but when Australian or European authorities deal with
the pandemic, the American CARES Act is irrelevant, if they've even
heard of it.

[Bruce]

On Mon, 3 Aug 2020 13:16:09 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net>

It's amazing how people start to believe in conspiracies when
something like this happens. And not just Chinese conspiracies, but
from their own authorities. They look at the political spectrum, pick
their least favourite politicians and go "They're behind it!"

People are too dumb to poop.

[Taxed and Spent]

Are other countries bunkoing up their covid hospital numbers like here
in the US?

[Bruce]

On Mon, 3 Aug 2020 13:33:03 -0700, Taxed and Spent

I've never heard of it. I don't believe in all these conspiracies.

[Taxed and Spent]

OK. Denial is your friend, I suppose.

[Bruce]

On Mon, 3 Aug 2020 14:19:43 -0700, Taxed and Spent

Sometimes shit just happens. Not everything's a conspiracy.

[Taxed and Spent]

I don't think I ever said there was a conspiracy.

[Bruce]

On Mon, 3 Aug 2020 14:35:00 -0700, Taxed and Spent

I'm sure anybody who can make money of it, will do so, if that's what
you mean.

[Bruce]

I wrote:

> On Mon, 3 Aug 2020 13:33:03 -0700, Taxed and Spent
> <nospam...@nonospam.com> wrote:
>
> >On 8/3/2020 1:27 PM, Bruce wrote:
> >> On Mon, 3 Aug 2020 13:14:37 -0700, Taxed and Spent
> >> <nospam...@nonospam.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 8/3/2020 12:57 PM, Bruce wrote:
>
> >>>> Most rich and powerful people are losing a lot of money to this
> >>>> crisis.
> >>>>
> >>>> But yeah, maybe it's a conspiracy of the face mask mafia.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> The CARES Act pays hospitals more if the patient is a Covid patient.
> >>> It's the law.
> >>
> >> In the US maybe, but when Australian or European authorities deal with
> >> the pandemic, the American CARES Act is irrelevant, if they've even
> >> heard of it.
> >>
> >Are other countries bunkoing up their covid hospital numbers like here
> >in the US?
>
> I've never heard of it. I don't believe in all these conspiracies.

"A good bra is like a sheepdog...

It rounds them up and points them in the right direction"

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Monday, August 3, 2020 at 1:15:30 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> I hope you are not in denial about this virus.
>

I am not in denial about it but it's hard to take any of the 'experts,' our
stupid mayor and others seriously. They flip flop daily on what to do, what
not to do, etc.

There was a private party at a home here yesterday where supposedly 200 people
were in attendance. The mayor is bent out of shape, heads will roll, he will
get to the bottom of this, blah-blah-blah. This is the same fucktard that right
in the middle of the first wave of Covid-19 that says "come join me in a
peaceful march." That march that resulted in lots of vandalism was for a
stupid dead felon named George Floyd.

How am I or anyone else supposed to take this dumbass seriously when he
issues 'directives'????

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Monday, August 3, 2020 at 1:56:46 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>
> On Mon, 3 Aug 2020 09:23:36 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
> <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>
> >E V E R Y S I N G L E D A Y there is a news conference, bulletin,
> >warning, advice, admonishment of what to do, where to go, what not
> >to do, what type of mask to wear or not to wear. I'm beginning to
> >think none of the 'experts' know jack shit about this virus or what
> >anyone should do. Like everybody else, they're just guessing and
> >hoping one of their guesses is the right one.
>
> They're learning. It's a new one.
>

They're not learning anything, they're guessing.

>
> Because the US has 480 dead per 1 million people. Or approx. 5 dead
> per 10,000 people. Chances are you don't know any of those people, but
> it's still a lot. Almost 160,000 people in your country alone. And
> counting.
>
> I know one person who died of corona. He was in his 80s.
>

The first of June I went to my G. P. and figured he'd seen a LOT of Covid-19
patients and had many more in the hospital. He said they had seen one (1)
patient only with the virus.

>
> >We're not even going to discuss
> >the number of people who have died of heart attacks and cancers but
> >they list the cause of death as Covid-19.
>
> Why would they do that? A conspiracy by big pharma? The Chinese are
> behind it? They're trying to take away your Amendments? Nancy Pelosi?
>

I kid you not, death certificates have been issued for deaths from cancer,
heart disease, shootings, knifings, etc. and the cause of death has been
listed as Covid-19.

>
> >Nor do I wish to discuss the number of reported false/positive readings. The health department
> >says "OOPS."
>
> So there's no need to wear a mask and keep distance?
>

Did I say that? Did I imply that? I'll answer both questions with a NO.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

Thank you.

[graham]

On 2020-08-03 4:38 p.m., itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:

>>
> I kid you not, death certificates have been issued for deaths from cancer,
> heart disease, shootings, knifings, etc. and the cause of death has been
> listed as Covid-19.
>>

Are Breitbart or Fuxnews your sources?

[Bruce]

On Mon, 3 Aug 2020 15:38:58 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
<itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:

>On Monday, August 3, 2020 at 1:56:46 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>>
>> They're learning. It's a new one.
>>
>They're not learning anything, they're guessing.

They're learning. That thing about aerosols, for instance. Or the
reason why some young people die from it. Or the change in position
about face masks. There's a lot of research going on. Whether local
authorities get everything right is another matter.

>> I know one person who died of corona. He was in his 80s.
>>
>The first of June I went to my G. P. and figured he'd seen a LOT of Covid-19
>patients and had many more in the hospital. He said they had seen one (1)
>patient only with the virus.

I don't know how well spread covid was in your area on the 1st of
June. But are you saying that because your doctor hadn't seen many
cases, everything's being exaggerated?

>> Why would they do that? A conspiracy by big pharma? The Chinese are
>> behind it? They're trying to take away your Amendments? Nancy Pelosi?
>>
>I kid you not, death certificates have been issued for deaths from cancer,
>heart disease, shootings, knifings, etc. and the cause of death has been
>listed as Covid-19.

And the other way around, especially in the beginning: people dying
from corona, but being listed as dead from another health problem that
they had. People sometimes get things wrong. Is that new?

>> >Nor do I wish to discuss the number of reported false/positive readings. The health department
>> >says "OOPS."
>>
>> So there's no need to wear a mask and keep distance?
>>
>Did I say that? Did I imply that? I'll answer both questions with a NO.

So they're exaggerating and there aren't that many cases. Yet you'll
put on a face mask when you go to the supermarket.

[Bruce]

I don't understand these conspiracy fans, especially when they wear
face masks. As if a government wants the economy to go to shit from
lockdown measures. It probably kills their chances of re-election.

[Taxed and Spent]

Face masks definitely work. Wearing one prevents fist fights.

[cshenk]

Gary wrote:

> Leo wrote:
> >
> > The common cold easily could have decimated humanity
> > once upon a time.
>

> And still to this day with organ transplant patients.
> Once you get a transplanted organ, you have to take
> immune-suppressing drugs for the rest of your life.
> That prevents your body from rejecting your transplant.
>
> That also opens you up to dying from any virus that
> comes along...even the common cold.
> Same deal with AIDS virus.
>
> I had a good friend that got a kidney transplant and
> she ending up dying a few years later because of that
> situation. She was only 38 years old. Not fair at all.
>
> Good one, God. >;o

True. Once a decent vaccine is out, I bet it will be an annual. I'm
pretty sure I read that they are already tracking several varients of
Covid-19.

[cshenk]

Gary wrote:

> Ophelia wrote:
> >
> > "Gary" wrote in message news:5F27DCFD...@att.net...
> >
> > "itsjoan...@webtv.net" wrote:
> > >
> > > On Sunday, August 2, 2020 at 9:15:35 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, 2 Aug 2020 19:10:58 -0700 (PDT),
> > > > "itsjoan...@webtv.net" <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I'm on my third mask and all of them give me a feeling of
> > > > > smothering after
> > > > > wearing them for about 15 or 20 minutes.
> > > >
> > > > Maybe it's psychological and it makes you feel slightly
> > > > claustrophobic.
> > > >
> > > I dunno but lifting it up from the chin and several deep breaths
> > > help for a few minutes.
> >
> > The thicker better masks just don't let in much fresh air.
> > You're breathing half fresh and half stale air so less
> > oxygen. I occasionally will pull mine up off my nose for a
> > breath or 2 when no one is nearby. Big difference.
> >
> > Again, here's the good one I use:
> > https://www.hostpic.org/images/2006031558400088.jpg
> >
> > You can buy thinner masks but they're not as effective.
> >
> > ==
> >
> > I have a mask with a filter that can be changed!
>
> Those are known as respirators here. I have one but
> don't use it for stores. Mine has a changeable filter
> on each side. Each filter has a charcoal packet and a thin
> cotton-like dust filter. The mask itself is rubber.
>
> They will seriously filter your breath intake but the little
> button nose is used for exhaling and doesn't filter at all.
> A little rubber gasket only opens when you exhale.
>
> Keeps YOU safe from breathing in but doesn't provide any
> protection to anyone around you if you are sick.
>
> This is similar to mine:
>
http://images.beatsons.co.uk/images/products/zoom/1350491994-86206700.jpg

Yes, been trying to warn folks that types with the little air baffle do
NOT protect others as the device was intended.

[cshenk]

Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> On Sunday, August 2, 2020 at 4:28:45 PM UTC-4, itsjoan...@webtv.net
> wrote:
> > On Sunday, August 2, 2020 at 3:17:51 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> > >
> > > On Sun, 2 Aug 2020 12:48:21 -0700 (PDT),
> > > "itsjoan...@webtv.net" <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > > My mask comes off every time I leave a store. Sometimes while
> > > > I'm in a store I will find a corner and lift it from the bottom
> > > > to get a breath of air as I often feel like I'm smothering.
> > >
> > > I'm not sure if it's wise to horse around too much with the
> > > thing. But then I've never worn one yet.
> > >
> > Lucky you. The feeling of not getting enough air is stressful, to
> > say the least. Then there's the feeling your face is so nasty
> > after wearing a mask for a while. And that's a mask with the
> > ventilator hole, too.
> >
> > https://i.postimg.cc/cHSWkPm3/Ventilator-Mask.jpg

>
> The ventilator hole defeats the purpose of keeping your germs inside
> and protecting other people from your possible asymptomatic case of
> COVID-19.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

Exactly. Military are strictly not allowed to use those because they
actually spread the disease *more effectively*. When you breathe out,
it is not only unfiltered, but it comes out faster with a farther
spread.

What the studies given to the military show is that you are safer next
to an idiot not wearing a mask, than you are with the worse idiot
wearing one like that.

[cshenk]

itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:

> On Monday, August 3, 2020 at 5:11:05 AM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >
> > On Sunday, August 2, 2020 at 4:28:45 PM UTC-4, itsjoan...@webtv.net
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > https://i.postimg.cc/cHSWkPm3/Ventilator-Mask.jpg
> >
> > The ventilator hole defeats the purpose of keeping your germs inside
> > and protecting other people from your possible asymptomatic case of
> > COVID-19.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
> >

> E V E R Y S I N G L E D A Y there is a news conference, bulletin,
> warning, advice, admonishment of what to do, where to go, what not
> to do, what type of mask to wear or not to wear. I'm beginning to
> think none of the 'experts' know jack shit about this virus or what
> anyone should do. Like everybody else, they're just guessing and
> hoping one of their guesses is the right one.
>

> I have no symptoms of Covid-19, I know of no one who has shown
> symptoms. I know of no one who has had it either. You would think
> with the numbers of cases they claim are active you'd see people

> falling out in the streets and dying. We're not even going to discuss

> the number of people who have died of heart attacks and cancers but

> they list the cause of death as Covid-19. Nor do I wish to discuss

> the number of reported false/positive readings. The health department
> says "OOPS."

If you accept it vicariously, then yes you do. Thats how sadly, I came
to adopt my Great Dane. Josh died. He was a heathy mid-30's marathon
runner with no known prior existing conditions.

[cshenk]

Every area is a bit different on how the word has gotten out. Gary and
I live in Virginia and I for one like our Governor. At this time, he's
been pretty solid (not suprising, he's a Doctor).

The young people are chafed over it all and often ignoring the
directions but once the word went out to 'mask up, people' he was solid
from what I saw.

Hampton Roads is again in semi lock-down but since about 1/4 of all
Virginia residents live here (check that, might be off a little but I
think that was it), we'd be expected to have issues magnified.

Here's something interesting. The Military are running a significantly
lower COVID-19 infection level than the civilian populace. Yes, the
aircraft carrier Theodore Roosevelt issue was huge but largely they
have held it at bay.

What is the difference? They mask-up and have been for months and they
DON'T use the unsafe ones with breathe out vents. They know they can
be charged via UCMJ for the offense (Includes off duty) of not wearing
a mask. Every building I know of had a guard doing a temperature
check. Many bases are doing that at the gate.

[Ed Pawlowski]

> Gary wrote:
>
>> Leo wrote:
>>>
>>> The common cold easily could have decimated humanity
>>> once upon a time.
>>
>> And still to this day with organ transplant patients.
>> Once you get a transplanted organ, you have to take
>> immune-suppressing drugs for the rest of your life.
>> That prevents your body from rejecting your transplant.
>>
>> That also opens you up to dying from any virus that
>> comes along...even the common cold.
>> Same deal with AIDS virus.

A co-worker recently celebrated his kidney's 105th birthday. He's had
it for 45+ years.
He does take medication and gets tests.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

No, the local liberal news stations.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Monday, August 3, 2020 at 5:53:45 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>
> On Mon, 3 Aug 2020 15:38:58 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
> <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>
> >I kid you not, death certificates have been issued for deaths from cancer,
> >heart disease, shootings, knifings, etc. and the cause of death has been
> >listed as Covid-19.
>
> And the other way around, especially in the beginning: people dying
> from corona, but being listed as dead from another health problem that
> they had. People sometimes get things wrong. Is that new?
>

I'm talking about people dying of cancer, heart attacks, and strokes, etc.
being listed as dying of Covid-19. I'm sorry, I didn't realize I was
stuttering when I wrote that.

>
> >> >Nor do I wish to discuss the number of reported false/positive readings. The health department
> >> >says "OOPS."
> >>
> >> So there's no need to wear a mask and keep distance?
> >>
> >Did I say that? Did I imply that? I'll answer both questions with a NO.
>
> So they're exaggerating and there aren't that many cases. Yet you'll
> put on a face mask when you go to the supermarket.
>

Damn, you are dense. When someone dies of a heart attack and they list
as Covid-19 they are exaggerating the number of cases. I put on a face
mask if I want to enter the grocery store, not because I think I'll
become infected.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

If I accept it vicariously, then yes I do what?

[graham]

I find that difficult to believe. After all, it's the sort of crap that
ImPotus would spout.