OT Before I die, 3068 Bellerive will be 100% electric!!

[John Kuthe]

And I made a BIG MISTAKE buying an 80gal electric water heater!!

I'm gonna say FUCK this 1930's hot water home heating system!! I have to GET RID of the hot water radiators and replace them with 100% electric heaters!

John Kuther, Climate Anarchist and SERIOUS ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE!

[lucreti...@fl.it]

Once again, your electricity is generated by burning coal, that's not
friendly, and even if you do replace it with electric heaters you
better be really sure your house is superinsulated or costs run up sky
high! We had an all electric house in the 80s and the power company
was suspicious because our bills were tiny, they came and checked and
put a band on the meter, what they didn't know was our builder had
super insulated the place. So good, even noises from outside did not
get in. That was a newly built, for the purpose, house, I doubt you
could super insulate and old house.

[Ed Pawlowski]

Why not use a fuel that pollutes less than electric? Here are some
comparisons
https://energykinetics.com/savingsheatingfuelcomparisons/

This system on natural gas makes the air quality much better than the
crap electric generation is spewing . Think of the children. I had
this system in my last house.

[Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl]

On Sun, 26 May 2019 05:36:14 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
<johnk...@gmail.com> wrote:

John you do know that heating with gas is a much much more efficient
way of heating......

John if you were Climate Anarchist and SERIOUS ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE
you would live in a log cabin with a possible loft that has a few
solar panels and a wood stove that was completely off the grid. So you
are in fact what can be called an armchair Climate Anarchist and
SERIOUS ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE only to the effect that when you are in
your chair and can bitch about it you will. But you do not really do
anything to change. You are moving from one in efficient method of
heating to another. You are in no way helping the environment by
putting more strain on the electrical grid.

--

____/~~~sine qua non~~~\____

[John Kuthe]

Electric baseboard heaters are quick, easy, safe, controllable at the point of use (bedrooms especially and 3068 Bellerive has 5 bedrooms!) and available NOW!! I just have to have an electrical contractor (and I know a great one if he has the time) to run more dedicated electrical lines to points of high use and also get the radiators out of each room, all of them! A nd each bedroom already

Then get a 100% electric water heater and kitchen stove! Then 3068 Bellerive can tell Spire Gas in STL to DISCONNECT 3068 Bellerive, and we use NO FOSSIL FUELS!! I'm gonna DO this in 2019!

John Kuthe...

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Sunday, May 26, 2019 at 9:02:22 AM UTC-5, John Kuthe wrote:
>
> Electric baseboard heaters are quick, easy, safe, controllable at the point of use (bedrooms especially and 3068 Bellerive has 5 bedrooms!) and available NOW!! I just have to have an electrical contractor (and I know a great one if he has the time) to run more dedicated electrical lines to points of high use and also get the radiators out of each room, all of them! A nd each bedroom already
>

But are more expensive to operate than a gas furnace. AND you're burning coal
to generate that electricity and also to charge your putt-putt.

>
> Then get a 100% electric water heater and kitchen stove! Then 3068 Bellerive can tell Spire Gas in STL to DISCONNECT 3068 Bellerive, and we use NO FOSSIL FUELS!! I'm gonna DO this in 2019!
>
> John Kuthe...
>

No instant control of the heat with an electric stove and the recovery time to
heat water with an electric water heater is m-u-c-h longer than a gas model.
H-o-u-r-s longer; you'll have to figure out a chart for your boarders when they can take a bath so no one runs of hot water.

But I think your dumbass is just blowing smoke out your butt for attention yet
again. If you were 1/2 as smart as you claim you'd be investing in solar panels
and getting a government credit for doing so.

[John Kuthe]

More expensive than a gas furnace? What if there WAS NO GAS?

I wanna do a 100% electric conversion that I can do RIGHT NOW!! 100% Electric Rheem 40gal water heater with small electric tankless heater for the kitchen sink and 100% electric stove (easy) ands the baseboard heaters later this year!

John Kuthe...

[GM]

Joan, trying to "debate" with k00tchie k00 - k00 is about as productive as teaching a fish to ride a bicycle...

And yeah, if you wanna waste energy do as he says re: electric heating, etc....

--
Best
Greg

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Sunday, May 26, 2019 at 10:40:48 AM UTC-4, John Kuthe wrote:
> On Sunday, May 26, 2019 at 9:28:09 AM UTC-5, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 26, 2019 at 9:02:22 AM UTC-5, John Kuthe wrote:
> > >
> > > Electric baseboard heaters are quick, easy, safe, controllable at the point of use (bedrooms especially and 3068 Bellerive has 5 bedrooms!) and available NOW!! I just have to have an electrical contractor (and I know a great one if he has the time) to run more dedicated electrical lines to points of high use and also get the radiators out of each room, all of them! A nd each bedroom already
> > >
> > But are more expensive to operate than a gas furnace. AND you're burning coal
> > to generate that electricity and also to charge your putt-putt.
> > >
> > > Then get a 100% electric water heater and kitchen stove! Then 3068 Bellerive can tell Spire Gas in STL to DISCONNECT 3068 Bellerive, and we use NO FOSSIL FUELS!! I'm gonna DO this in 2019!
> > >
> > > John Kuthe...
> > >
> > No instant control of the heat with an electric stove and the recovery time to
> > heat water with an electric water heater is m-u-c-h longer than a gas model.
> > H-o-u-r-s longer; you'll have to figure out a chart for your boarders when they can take a bath so no one runs of hot water.
> >
> > But I think your dumbass is just blowing smoke out your butt for attention yet
> > again. If you were 1/2 as smart as you claim you'd be investing in solar panels
> > and getting a government credit for doing so.
>
> More expensive than a gas furnace? What if there WAS NO GAS?

What if the moon were made of green cheese?

Do you have any evidence to suggest that we will run out of gas
during the lifetime of the appliances that you buy? Let's say,
the next 20 years (much less for the water heater).

Cindy Hamilton

[Jinx the Minx]

What if there were no more COAL?

[Janet]

> > On 5/26/2019 8:36 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
> > > And I made a BIG MISTAKE buying an 80gal electric water heater!!

oh dear, only a week ago. What went wrong?

Janet UK

(all-electric house).

[John Kuthe]

I found a better NONMETALLIC Rheem water heater and just bought it online!! Delivered to same Home Depot!

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Rheem-Marathon-40-Gal-Tall-4500-4500-Watt-Elements-Non-Metallic-Lifetime-Electric-Tank-Water-Heater-MR40245/205931673?cm_mmc=hd_email-_-Confirmation_STH_BOSS-_-20190526_PP_ET_Merch_Confirmation_STH_BOSS_3363623-_-product_desc__WD69768059

:-)

Then an Electric Stove, then Baseboard Electric Heaters for each bedroom! We can run 1500W electric heaters too! Little portable ones! Each bedroom already has one! :-)

This is GONNA HAPPEN!!

John Kuthe...

[penm...@aol.com]

On Sun, 26 May 2019 John Kuthe wrote:
>
>And I made a BIG MISTAKE buying an 80gal electric water heater!!

You're paying a fortune maintaining all that hot water. You have an
80 gallon water heater so all your tenants will have hot water, and
waste all they want... however it would have been a lot smarter to
have bought an on-demand tankless water heater

>I'm gonna say FUCK this 1930's hot water home heating system!!
>I have to GET RID of the hot water radiators and replace
>them with 100% electric heaters!

For home heating those old fashioned cast iron radiators are very
efficient, far more so than electric heaters.

[penm...@aol.com]

On Sun, 26 May 2019 08:43:53 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
<johnk...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, May 26, 2019 at 10:13:40 AM UTC-5, Janet wrote:
>> > > On 5/26/2019 8:36 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
>> > > > And I made a BIG MISTAKE buying an 80gal electric water heater!!
>>
>> oh dear, only a week ago. What went wrong?
>>
>> Janet UK
>>
>> (all-electric house).
>
>I found a better NONMETALLIC Rheem water heater and just bought it online!! Delivered to same Home Depot!
>
>https://www.homedepot.com/p/Rheem-Marathon-40-Gal-Tall-4500-4500-Watt-Elements-Non-Metallic-Lifetime-Electric-Tank-Water-Heater-MR40245/205931673?cm_mmc=hd_email-_-Confirmation_STH_BOSS-_-20190526_PP_ET_Merch_Confirmation_STH_BOSS_3363623-_-product_desc__WD69768059

What a dummy, $1,100 for that POS electric waster... MUCH BETTER!
https://www.rinnai.us/tankless-water-heater

[GM]

Sheldon wrote:

> On Sun, 26 May 2019 08:43:53 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
> <johnk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, May 26, 2019 at 10:13:40 AM UTC-5, Janet wrote:
> >> > > On 5/26/2019 8:36 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
> >> > > > And I made a BIG MISTAKE buying an 80gal electric water heater!!
> >>
> >> oh dear, only a week ago. What went wrong?
> >>
> >> Janet UK
> >>
> >> (all-electric house).
> >
> >I found a better NONMETALLIC Rheem water heater and just bought it online!! Delivered to same Home Depot!
> >
> >https://www.homedepot.com/p/Rheem-Marathon-40-Gal-Tall-4500-4500-Watt-Elements-Non-Metallic-Lifetime-Electric-Tank-Water-Heater-MR40245/205931673?cm_mmc=hd_email-_-Confirmation_STH_BOSS-_-20190526_PP_ET_Merch_Confirmation_STH_BOSS_3363623-_-product_desc__WD69768059
>
> What a dummy, $1,100 for that POS electric waster... MUCH BETTER!
> https://www.rinnai.us/tankless-water-heater

What can ya say, it's not like k00 - k00's "brain" is "UL - listed", lol...

--
Best
Greg

[Dave Smith]

On 2019-05-26 12:03 p.m., penm...@aol.com wrote:
> On Sun, 26 May 2019 John Kuthe wrote:
>>
>> And I made a BIG MISTAKE buying an 80gal electric water heater!!
>
> You're paying a fortune maintaining all that hot water. You have an
> 80 gallon water heater so all your tenants will have hot water, and
> waste all they want... however it would have been a lot smarter to
> have bought an on-demand tankless water heater

That 80 gallon tank will use a hell of a lot more energy than the 40
gallon tank that would have been sufficient. Since his shared housing
fantasy is actually a commercial venture he could probably install
on-demand tankless and write it off.

>

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 5/26/2019 10:40 AM, John Kuthe wrote:

>
> I wanna do a 100% electric conversion that I can do RIGHT NOW!! 100% Electric Rheem 40gal water heater with small electric tankless heater for the kitchen sink and 100% electric stove (easy) ands the baseboard heaters later this year!
>
> John Kuthe...
>

Electric is often 2X or 3X the cost of gas to operate. If you change
over to all electric you will have to upgrade your power coming in also.

Not to mention, electric pollutes more than gas.

[Ed Pawlowski]

40 gallon gas is very adequate but with electric, I'd not want to be
last in the shower. Tankless would require a lot of updating of wiring.
Most need a 100A circuit. If he converts the house to all electric he
willl need a minimum of 200, maybe 300A service.

[Dave Smith]

When we first moved here, 42 years ago, electricity was cheap. Ontario
Hydro tried to sell me a plenum heater. Apparently it would be connected
to my furnace ducts and used electricity to heat the circulated air cool
days, saving the oil function for when it got really cold. I declined
because I had been hearing about how electricity prices would be
increasing. Sure enough, electricity rates have soared. Now I heat
with natural gas and my annual heating bill is a fraction of what it had
been with oil.

[John Kuthe]

On Sunday, May 26, 2019 at 11:03:08 AM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
...

>
> For home heating those old fashioned cast iron radiators are very
> efficient, far more so than electric heaters.

BULLSHIT!! Electric heaters are 100% efficient!

https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=vdHqXP3yL9C7tgXKvrfYDg&q=efficiency+of+electric+heaters&oq=efficiency+of+electric+heaters&gs_l=psy-ab.12..0j0i22i30l9.1258.22053..26330...0.0..0.138.3064.23j10......0....1..gws-wiz.....0..35i39j0i131j0i10j0i10i70i249j0i70i249j0i22i10i30.r-Zu3edDY20

So THERE ShelDUM!!!

John Kuthe, Climate Anarchist and Electrical Engineer!

[John Kuthe]

On Sunday, May 26, 2019 at 11:03:08 AM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:

> On Sun, 26 May 2019 John Kuthe wrote:
> >
> >And I made a BIG MISTAKE buying an 80gal electric water heater!!
>
> You're paying a fortune maintaining all that hot water. You have an
> 80 gallon water heater so all your tenants will have hot water, and
> waste all they want... however it would have been a lot smarter to
> have bought an on-demand tankless water heater

But in this, you were correct!

I'm gonna get a 40gal NONmetallic Rheem water heater, same as as we have now, but ELECTRIC!!!

And a Tankless water heater for under the kitchen sink, as in the existing hot water system the hot water takes 'FOREVER' to get to our Kitchen Sink!

John Kuthe, Climate Anarchist, etc...

[dsi1]

My parents have a gas water heater. They save tons of money on that compared to an electric one. OTOH, our electricity is a lot more expensive than your electricity. When we moved into the place in the early 60's they made a big deal about the kitchen, clothes drying, and water heating being all-gas. It seems pretty funny these days.

[Ed Pawlowski]

In CT I was paying 21 cents KWH, in FL I'm paying half that. St. Louis
is also about 10 cents.

While John keeps saying electric heat is 100% efficient, the loss and
pollution is in the generation end. Until generated by renewable
resources, natural gas is a much better choice. Clean and economical.

In this area, there can be extended power outages too, but gas will give
me hot water and cooking ability. I'm considering a generator before
any hurricanes pop up.

[John Kuthe]

Oh WHAAA!!! Yeah, NOW everyone wants ALL ELECTRIC!! Cars, heat for homes, etc.

Try running your MOUTH on GAS! Or is that just for FARTING? In fact, IT IS FARTING!!!

;-)

Asshole farts! Flatulence! EXHAUST FARTS!!!

John Kuthe, Climate Anarchist, etc.

[Cindy Hamilton]

Electricity generation and transmission are not 100% efficient.

Shouldn't a big-time EE like you know that?

Cindy Hamilton

[John Kuthe]

As efficient as we can get! Sure there are line and hysteresis losses, but that's physics! The Universe is NOT MATHEMATICALLY PRECISE! Just approximated by mathematics! Planck's Constant notwithstanding! :-)

John Kuthe...

[John Kuthe]

I've done a LOT of camping! I can make do in power outages! When I lived in The Big House (4621 Westminster) and we had an electrical power outage in STL just at the end of a very hot Summer my housemate Sara correctly pointed out that there were beers in the refrigerator that were in danger of getting warm, so we had to rescue a couple! :-)

John Kuthe...

[Dave Smith]

On 2019-05-26 2:30 p.m., dsi1 wrote:

> My parents have a gas water heater. They save tons of money on that
> compared to an electric one. OTOH, our electricity is a lot more
> expensive than your electricity. When we moved into the place in the
> early 60's they made a big deal about the kitchen, clothes drying,
> and water heating being all-gas. It seems pretty funny these days.
>

I used to have an electric hot water heater. When I switched over to
high efficiency natural gas I got a gas hot water heater too. It heats
up water much faster than the electric heater did. At the time I
switched, my oil bill equal billing was $300 a month for 10 months of
the year. I don't bother with equal billing now because heating costs
are a fraction of what the oil bill was. My highest gas bill was just
under $160, and that includes the hot water.

My brother has a gas clothes dryer. He says that clothes dry faster and
there is less lint, which translates to less wear and tear on the fabric
in the dryer.

[Dave Smith]

Well, John, aside from having mental health issues, is a bit of a
misinformed idiot. He can't see the pollution from his coal fired
generators so he thinks it is completely clean. FWIW, most of my
electricity is clean. I am about 15 miles from Niagara Falls, a major
source of clean electrical generation. A couple miles in the opposite
direction is a major wind power farm.

>
> In this area, there can be extended power outages too, but gas will give
> me hot water and cooking ability.  I'm considering a generator before
> any hurricanes pop up.

I can get by without lights and television for a while. My big problem
with the power is out is loss of water. I am on a well and cistern. When
the power is out the water pressure system is kaput.

[penm...@aol.com]

fOn Sun, 26 May 2019 13:00:08 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.xxx>
wrote:

Tankless on-demand uses gas, the only electric is for the LED
temperature indicator, milliwatts.
We love the tankless on-demand hot water, there's no water tank to
maintian and hold at temperature... takes 30 seconds for hot water. We
can regulate the water temperature up to 120ºF but we keep it set at
115ºF which is more than enough for bathing, still need to add some
cold.
It's impossible to maintain utility bills with tenants, which is why
I always had full house rentals, tenants were totally responsible for
their own utilities. The Kootchie situation is the dumbest of all
possibilities, he has no way whatsoever to enforce their utility
payments, he doesn't even get to take out any shortfall in trade...
mainly because he's too old and ugli... none of those 20 year old
Indian maidens would want to to be seen with Kootchie, that ugli
filthy diseased POS pot head..

[Hank Rogers]

I bet all them gals would flock to yoose Popeye!

Yoose would be the strongest man they ever saw.

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 5/26/2019 6:50 PM, penm...@aol.com wrote:

>
>> 40 gallon gas is very adequate but with electric, I'd not want to be
>> last in the shower. Tankless would require a lot of updating of wiring.
>> Most need a 100A circuit. If he converts the house to all electric he
>> willl need a minimum of 200, maybe 300A service.
>
> Tankless on-demand uses gas, the only electric is for the LED
> temperature indicator, milliwatts.
> We love the tankless on-demand hot water, there's no water tank to
> maintian and hold at temperature... takes 30 seconds for hot water.

Yes, for yours. He wants to put in an electric one. Lots of power
needed. 100A for hot water plus all the other heaters he want to put in.

Rheem Professional Classic Series RTEX-24 Rheem Indoor Electric Tankless
Water Heater -Free Shipping and In Stock at $582.5900 Rheem Electric
with 100AMPS Rheem UPC020352685397

[dsi1]

I'm sold. My parents have saved tens of thousands of bucks with their all gas kitchen. OTOH, I remember their kitchen as being hellishly hot when I was a kid. A gas kitchen in the tropics ain't much fun.

[dsi1]

Electric cars are the future. OTOH, one would have to be crazy to opt for electric heating if gas was available. My guess is that you're heating your water with electric because gas is not available. You're so insanely happy about being forced to buy an electric water heater? That's real cute. :)

[Dave Smith]

I can imagine. I live in a moderate climate. I don't mind cold weather,
though I do get fed up with extended periods of cold weather. OTOH, my
countrymen and I tend to melt when the temperature rises over 80 F.

[dsi1]

Yes, moderate climate. The first morning in our Washington state apartment was a bit chilly. I had never experienced a rug being icy cold. It was a real eye-opener. My complaints to my wife fell to the ground like shattered icicles. She did remind me that this was a moderate climate region. Ha ha, that was funny.

[Dave Smith]

It could be worse... like a cold climate. It sometimes gets down to 0 F,
or maybe little colder in winter. Many years ago I went out to Winnipeg
to look for work. I got off the plane and walked out into -40. Holy
shit. That was cold. I didn't look very hard for work because I didn't
want to live there. That was just too damned cold for me.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Sunday, May 26, 2019 at 9:46:41 AM UTC-5, GM wrote:
>
> Joan, trying to "debate" with k00tchie k00 - k00 is about as productive as teaching a fish to ride a bicycle...
>
Ain't it the truth. I bet if I told him he could get all this FREE he'd still
piss and moan about the cost and how much better XYZ is better than ABC. It's
like trying to have a sane conversation with Ju-Ju.

I've noticed we're not getting any updates about his nursing license being
reinstated. They've probably figured out the nearest they want him to a
patient is for him to be the patient in the nuthouse.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Sunday, May 26, 2019 at 10:13:40 AM UTC-5, Janet wrote:
>

> > > On 5/26/2019 8:36 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
> > > > And I made a BIG MISTAKE buying an 80gal electric water heater!!
>

> oh dear, only a week ago. What went wrong?
>
> Janet UK
>
> (all-electric house).
>

He found out that "lifetime warranty" does not mean HIS lifetime.

[Bruce]

"Give it a rest" (itsjoannotjoann)

[Bruce]

On Sun, 26 May 2019 07:46:36 -0700 (PDT), GM
<gregorymorr...@gmail.com> wrote:

>joan...@webtv.net wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, May 26, 2019 at 9:02:22 AM UTC-5, John Kuthe wrote:
>> >
>> > Electric baseboard heaters are quick, easy, safe, controllable at the point of use (bedrooms especially and 3068 Bellerive has 5 bedrooms!) and available NOW!! I just have to have an electrical contractor (and I know a great one if he has the time) to run more dedicated electrical lines to points of high use and also get the radiators out of each room, all of them! A nd each bedroom already
>> >
>> But are more expensive to operate than a gas furnace. AND you're burning coal
>> to generate that electricity and also to charge your putt-putt.
>> >
>> > Then get a 100% electric water heater and kitchen stove! Then 3068 Bellerive can tell Spire Gas in STL to DISCONNECT 3068 Bellerive, and we use NO FOSSIL FUELS!! I'm gonna DO this in 2019!
>> >
>> > John Kuthe...
>> >
>> No instant control of the heat with an electric stove and the recovery time to
>> heat water with an electric water heater is m-u-c-h longer than a gas model.
>> H-o-u-r-s longer; you'll have to figure out a chart for your boarders when they can take a bath so no one runs of hot water.
>>
>> But I think your dumbass is just blowing smoke out your butt for attention yet
>> again. If you were 1/2 as smart as you claim you'd be investing in solar panels
>> and getting a government credit for doing so.

>
>
>Joan, trying to "debate" with k00tchie k00 - k00 is about as productive as teaching a fish to ride a bicycle...

Then why does everybody keep trying?

[Cindy Hamilton]

That's the funny thing. People in moderate climates often have inadequate
heating infrastructure, so they end up being colder than those of us
in cold climates.

Cindy Hamilton

[Bruce]

I'm from a moderate climate and the heating was excellent :)

[dsi1]

On Monday, May 27, 2019 at 12:10:35 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> That's the funny thing. People in moderate climates often have inadequate
> heating infrastructure, so they end up being colder than those of us
> in cold climates.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

My step mom's house in Sweden was heated with a radiant system i.e., hot water was pumped through the floors. The amazing thing was that the water was heated by the city in a central heater and pumped to her place.

[Cindy Hamilton]

Anecdotal data duly noted. Plus, I said "often", not "always".

Cindy Hamilton

[Cindy Hamilton]

Paid for by her taxes, perhaps. Stuff has to be paid for one way or
another.

Cindy Hamilton

[Bruce]

On Mon, 27 May 2019 04:09:58 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton

Not anecdotal because it's true for several entire countries.

[Bruce]

Why do you introduce the concept of "money" when your original
statement only was "People in moderate climates often have inadequate

heating infrastructure, so they end up being colder than those of us

in cold climates"?

Do you hate being wrong?

[Gary]

dsi1 wrote:
>
> My step mom's house in Sweden was heated with a radiant system i.e., hot water was pumped through the floors. The amazing thing was that the water was heated by the city in a central heater and pumped to her place.

Floor heat works fine as long as you don't have carpet or large
rugs.

[Gary]

Cindy Hamilton wrote:

>
> dsi1 wrote:
> > Yes, moderate climate. The first morning in our Washington state apartment was a bit chilly. I had never experienced a rug being icy cold. It was a real eye-opener. My complaints to my wife fell to the ground like shattered icicles. She did remind me that this was a moderate climate region. Ha ha, that was funny.
>
> That's the funny thing. People in moderate climates often have inadequate
> heating infrastructure, so they end up being colder than those of us
> in cold climates.

Not so much infrastructure I suspect. It's just leaving the house
to go out anywhere. In northern areas, it often stays cold
day-to-day once it gets cold. You learn to dress for it and you
get used to it. No big deal when I lived in New England.

In moderate areas, Virginia Beach here for example, we often have
very cold weather one week then almost summer-like weather the
following week. Back and forth all winter. You can't get used to
a steady temperature so the occasional colder weather just seems
horrible.

[Cindy Hamilton]

Yet not universally true in the U.S.

Cindy Hamilton

[Cindy Hamilton]

Because dsi1 thought that central hot water heat in Sweden is some
kind of marvel. I pointed out that it's probably paid for through
taxation.

> Do you hate being wrong?

Of course. But I'm not wrong here.

Cindy Hamilton

[Jinx the Minx]

John Kuthe <johnk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sunday, May 26, 2019 at 2:17:48 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 5/26/2019 1:19 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

>>> On 2019-05-26 1:00 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>> On 5/26/2019 12:33 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>
>>>>> That 80 gallon tank will use a hell of a lot more energy than the 40
>>>>> gallon tank that would have been sufficient.  Since his shared
>>>>> housing fantasy is actually a commercial venture he could probably
>>>>> install on-demand tankless and write it off.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>

>>>> 40 gallon gas is very adequate but with electric, I'd  not want to be
>>>> last in the shower.  Tankless would require a lot of updating of wiring.
>>>> Most need a 100A circuit.  If he converts the house to all electric he
>>>> willl need a minimum of 200, maybe 300A service.
>>>

>>> When we first moved here, 42 years ago, electricity was cheap. Ontario
>>> Hydro tried to sell me a plenum heater. Apparently it would be connected
>>> to my furnace ducts and used electricity to heat the circulated air cool
>>> days, saving the oil function for when it got really cold. I declined
>>> because I had been hearing about how electricity prices would be
>>> increasing.  Sure enough, electricity rates have soared.  Now I heat
>>> with natural gas and my annual heating bill is a fraction of what it had
>>> been with oil.
>>>
>>
>> In CT I was paying 21 cents KWH, in FL I'm paying half that. St. Louis
>> is also about 10 cents.
>>
>> While John keeps saying electric heat is 100% efficient, the loss and
>> pollution is in the generation end. Until generated by renewable
>> resources, natural gas is a much better choice. Clean and economical.
>>

>> In this area, there can be extended power outages too, but gas will give
>> me hot water and cooking ability. I'm considering a generator before
>> any hurricanes pop up.
>

> I've done a LOT of camping! I can make do in power outages! When I lived
> in The Big House (4621 Westminster) and we had an electrical power outage
> in STL just at the end of a very hot Summer my housemate Sara correctly
> pointed out that there were beers in the refrigerator that were in danger
> of getting warm, so we had to rescue a couple! :-)
>
> John Kuthe...
>

It’s always a smart idea to open the fridge door in a power outage.

[Jinx the Minx]

We have radiant heating in the house we bought last fall (minus the city),
and it’s fabulous on so many levels. I may never willingly pay for a forced
air heat system again.

[Cindy Hamilton]

Perhaps the beers were the only thing in the fridge.

Cindy Hamilton

[Cindy Hamilton]

I've never had radiant heat. What do you like about it? I've got forced
air heating and air-conditioning. I love the way the air is always
moving around.

Cindy Hamilton

[penm...@aol.com]

Radiant heating is really only feaseable for a house on a cement slab
and I don't consider that a house, it's a garage. With a basement the
heating system heats the basement and with a warm basement the house
stays warmer.

[John Kuthe]

3068 Bellerive is a BRICK HOUSE built on a steel supported STEEL FRAME! 1930's
steel! Made in USA!

Who built YOUR cracker box?

John Kuthe...

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 5/27/2019 10:20 AM, penm...@aol.com wrote:

>>>
>>> My step mom's house in Sweden was heated with a radiant system i.e., hot
>>> water was pumped through the floors. The amazing thing was that the water
>>> was heated by the city in a central heater and pumped to her place.
>>>
>>
>> We have radiant heating in the house we bought last fall (minus the city),
>> and it’s fabulous on so many levels. I may never willingly pay for a forced
>> air heat system again.
>
> Radiant heating is really only feaseable for a house on a cement slab
> and I don't consider that a house, it's a garage. With a basement the
> heating system heats the basement and with a warm basement the house
> stays warmer.
>

Radiant heat is easily done with multistory houses; insulated panels and
pex tubing make the job easy.. You can do either hydronic or electric
https://www.houseneeds.com/heating/radiant-heat-pex-tubing

Living in a garage on a slab here we don't need much heat and have a
heat pump for it. Electric bill for January was $61 for heat and
electric use. Our garage here also has running water and flush toilets,
almost like a real house would have, built over a hole in the ground.

[Jinx the Minx]

Valid point!

[Jinx the Minx]

The temp in the house is even—no hot and cold spots--or one room colder
than another, so we can keep the thermostat set lower and feel just as
warm. No noise from the blower, no dust!, no remembering to change furnace
filters, and energy efficient. I was initially skeptical how it would be in
a Minnesota winter, but we had the coldest winter I’ve ever experienced in
my lifetime this past winter, and the house was always warm, even during
the three day stretch we had with daytime highs not above -20F, which was
absolutely brutal.

[Jinx the Minx]

Our home isn’t on a cement slab, and the “man cave” underneath the house is
surprisingly not as cold as one would expect.

[dsi1]

The central hot water heat in Sweden is some kind of marvel as is the educational and health systems. That it's probably paid for through taxation doesn't change that.

[penm...@aol.com]

Why are you ranting, you don't even own a garage.

This house was built by a Norwegian who was an old school master
carpenter who turned trees off this land into building lumber, every
stick of it, no plywood or partical board, all 1" X 6" tongue and
groove sheathing applied at 30º over full size studs, all 2" X 6"s are
full 2" X 6"s... as are all joists full size too. I have photos of
this house being built (supplied by the original owner) but I still
need to scan them. This house was built by the last owner's wife's
uncle, he built nearly every house on this road including many other
buildings nearby.

Oh, I paid all cash too, with money I earned myself... I held a
responsible job all my life, you never had a job and you still don't
have a job, because you possess no marketable skills and are totally
irresponsible... Kootche will be burried a homeless pauper.

[Cindy Hamilton]

Oh, that sounds very nice.

My house was built by a stonemason for his family to live in. Some
of the carpentry is a little sketchy, but the pointing on the fieldstone
is gorgeous.

Cindy Hamilton

[Bruce]

On Mon, 27 May 2019 05:13:57 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton

You're changing the topic again. If you can't handle being wrong,
don't make silly statements.

[Bruce]

On Mon, 27 May 2019 05:15:58 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton

You are and you can't handle it. Work on that.

[Bruce]

More importantly, ferrets love it.

[Bruce]

On Mon, 27 May 2019 14:43:17 -0400, penm...@aol.com wrote:

>Why are you ranting, you don't even own a garage.
>
>This house was built by a Norwegian who was an old school master
>carpenter who turned trees off this land into building lumber, every
>stick of it, no plywood or partical board, all 1" X 6" tongue and
>groove sheathing applied at 30º over full size studs, all 2" X 6"s are
>full 2" X 6"s... as are all joists full size too. I have photos of
>this house being built (supplied by the original owner) but I still
>need to scan them. This house was built by the last owner's wife's
>uncle, he built nearly every house on this road including many other
>buildings nearby.
>
>Oh, I paid all cash too, with money I earned myself... I held a
>responsible job all my life, you never had a job and you still don't
>have a job, because you possess no marketable skills and are totally
>irresponsible... Kootche will be burried a homeless pauper.

No matter what house we all live in, one thing is for sure: Popeye
here lives in the best house of them all! It speaks for itself. Why
would Popeye live there if it wasn't the best house of them all? Think
about it.

[Cindy Hamilton]

You're the one who changed the topic. dsi1 talked about Washington
State. I talked about other moderate climate areas of the U.S. You're
the one who changed the subject and brought in "several entire countries".

Cindy Hamilton

[Bruce]

On Mon, 27 May 2019 12:58:05 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton

[penm...@aol.com]

On Mon, 27 May 2019 17:01:46 -0000 (UTC), Jinx the Minx

<jinx...@yahoo.com> wrote:

><penm...@aol.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 27 May 2019 13:57:37 -0000 (UTC), Jinx the Minx
>> <jinx...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> dsi1 <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
>>>> On Monday, May 27, 2019 at 12:10:35 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> That's the funny thing. People in moderate climates often have inadequate
>>>>> heating infrastructure, so they end up being colder than those of us
>>>>> in cold climates.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>
>>>> My step mom's house in Sweden was heated with a radiant system i.e., hot
>>>> water was pumped through the floors. The amazing thing was that the water
>>>> was heated by the city in a central heater and pumped to her place.
>>>>
>>>
>>> We have radiant heating in the house we bought last fall (minus the city),

>>> and it?s fabulous on so many levels. I may never willingly pay for a forced

>>> air heat system again.
>>
>> Radiant heating is really only feaseable for a house on a cement slab
>> and I don't consider that a house, it's a garage. With a basement the
>> heating system heats the basement and with a warm basement the house
>> stays warmer.
>
>Our home isn’t on a cement slab, and the “man cave” underneath the house is
>surprisingly not as cold as one would expect.

Then you must have radiant heat in your basement floor, or some heat
source in your basement .... otherwise since heat rises your basement
would be stone cold.
Our house is heated with hot water baseboard from a propane fired
boiler in the basement, which also heats the basement. Of course that
works so long as there's no electrical outage, so I installed a
ventless propane heater in the basement, needs no elecric and needs no
chimney. The unit is good insurance in case of a power outage, it
heats the entire house... only downside is over time it will produce
water vapor that condenses on the windows, but that's better than
frozen pipes. The ventless propane heater operates at 99% efficiency
so during heating season I have it set at a low temperature and it
takes a good load off the furnace and cuts our propane bill by about
20%, and so long as the funace is on there is no condensation.
Everyone who lives in a cold climate and has power outages needs a
ventlees gas heater (they operate on natural gas or propane), and they
cost very little, around a hundred bucks for a plain jane unit, more
ornate units that look like antique cook stoves can cost several
hundred dollars. Mine is about the size of an attache case and is
mounted on my basement wall. An excellent investment, I no longer
concern myself with power outages during winter. Some years ago we
had a power outage in winter when it was well below Zero. The shouse
temperture ket cropping and finally at about 40ºF thne power came
back... that's when I decided on the ventless gas heater... a whle lot
less expensive than a generater and needssd no maintenence. Our
propane company installed it for free. we only paid for the unit,
about $100. I strongly suggest having it professionally installed.
Actually we have two, a 35,000 BTU unit in our basement and a 15,000
BTU unit in our gardening shed/workshop. I had it installed in the
gardening shed/work shop because as a side job I sharpen tools of all
sorts and I have a fancy wet grinder there but to date I've not done
any sharpening during winter. Every tradesman around here knows I
sharpen twist drils, chisels, plane blades, whatever. and I can
sharpen anything better freehand than anyone can with a jig... as a
master toolmaker I've been sharpening tools freehand all my life.
I sharpen lawnmower blades too but I show people how to do it with a
machinists file... I don't like to futz with filthy lawnmower blades
and a file does a much better job as it doesn't heat the blade and
remove its temper.
Anyone who gives their kitchen cutlery out for sharpening make sure
they use a wet ginder, otherwise what you'll get back is detempered
useless crap. I sometimes touch up yard sale kitchen knives by draw
filing with a 2nd cut bastard file. I have kitchen knives for over 50
years that have never needed sharpening, only steeling. My best
cutlery is carbon steel, stainless can never be given a sharp edge. I
often pick up excellent cutlery at yard sales, old but excellent hand
forged carbon steel, Usually I replace the deteroorated bolsters with
new and reconfigure the abused blades. Often I'll pick up an abused
piece of cutlery for under $1 that when I'm done with it would be
better than anything you can buy for $100 or more. Most of today's
expensive kitchen cutlery isn't forged, it sintered... sintered is a
kind of welding that connects the SS tang to the SS blade... Garbage.
The maqjor kitchen cutlery companies try to pass off sintered as hand
forged, NOT! It's no kind of forged... in fact the tang and blade are
stamped but sintered together. Those are counterfit cutlery.

[Bruce]

On Mon, 27 May 2019 16:40:28 -0400, penm...@aol.com wrote:

>Then you must have radiant heat in your basement floor, or some heat
>source in your basement .... otherwise since heat rises your basement
>would be stone cold.
>Our house is heated with hot water baseboard from a propane fired
>boiler in the basement, which also heats the basement. Of course that
>works so long as there's no electrical outage, so I installed a
>ventless propane heater in the basement, needs no elecric and needs no
>chimney. The unit is good insurance in case of a power outage, it
>heats the entire house... only downside is over time it will produce
>water vapor that condenses on the windows, but that's better than
>frozen pipes. The ventless propane heater operates at 99% efficiency
>so during heating season I have it set at a low temperature and it
>takes a good load off the furnace and cuts our propane bill by about
>20%, and so long as the funace is on there is no condensation.
>Everyone who lives in a cold climate and has power outages needs a
>ventlees gas heater (they operate on natural gas or propane), and they
>cost very little, around a hundred bucks for a plain jane unit, more
>ornate units that look like antique cook stoves can cost several
>hundred dollars. Mine is about the size of an attache case and is
>mounted on my basement wall. An excellent investment, I no longer
>concern myself with power outages during winter. Some years ago we
>had a power outage in winter when it was well below Zero. The shouse

>temperture ket cropping and finally at about 40şF thne power came

We don't have to read this wall of text. All we need to know is that
Popeye does everything the best way possible. When Popeye does
push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. If we do as Popeye does, we'll be
alright!

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Monday, May 27, 2019 at 3:40:40 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
> On Mon, 27 May 2019 17:01:46 -0000 (UTC), Jinx the Minx
> <jinx...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >Our home isn’t on a cement slab, and the “man cave” underneath the house is
> >surprisingly not as cold as one would expect.
>
> Then you must have radiant heat in your basement floor, or some heat
> source in your basement .... otherwise since heat rises your basement
> would be stone cold.
>

I've got a dugout (daylight) basement and it's not stone cold. Why? Because
it's underground (duh) and no wind whistles through it to make it cold.
>
I'm not even going to try to address the rest of that diarrhea you posted as
it's just one run together tiring to the eyes, conglomerate. Supposedly you
are a high school graduate, then dammit, learn to use paragraphs. Hit that
damn enter key on your keyboard twice for a new paragraph and quit trying to
wear out your readers with that mishmash of garbage!!!!!!!!!!!!

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Monday, May 27, 2019 at 3:47:08 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>
> We don't have to read this wall of text. All we need to know is that
> Popeye does everything the best way possible.
>

AMEN!

[Bruce]

Lol, maybe he had retired to his Crystal Palace when he wrote it.

[Hank Rogers]

Even *GOD* can't do anything as well as Popeye. much less us poor
mortals.

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Monday, May 27, 2019 at 4:40:40 PM UTC-4, Sheldon wrote:

> Everyone who lives in a cold climate and has power outages needs a
> ventlees gas heater (they operate on natural gas or propane),

No, I don't. I have a natural-gas powered automatic standby generator.
It's big enough to run the air-conditioning in the summer and has no
trouble with the small amount of electricity used by the furnace blower.

Cindy Hamilton

[penm...@aol.com]

I considered a whole house generator but decided a hundred bucks for a
ventless gas heater was a much better investment than several
thousand$ for a generator that may see use very occasionally and
briefly. Plus I run the ventless gas heater on a low setting all
winter to take a load off the propane furnace gas consumption.... it
saves about 20% because it's 20% more efficient. The ventless gas
heater has a thermostat that's marked 1-10, I usually set it at 2-3,
that heats the basement at 70º which also warms the house. There's a
small floor register in the hallway by the bedrooms and during winter
I leave the basement door open which adds heat to the other end of the
house. The last people heated with a wood stove in the basement, they
installed the floor register. I get a benefit from my ventless heater
all winter, your generator just sits there, a lot of money for
something that virtually does nothing except to advertize that fearful
folks live here. It's actually rare that we have power outages and
they are usually very brief, could be two hours but typically ten
minutes or less. We can live without electric for a few hours or even
a few days, we have LED lanterns and we buy batterys in bulk anyway..
it's amazing how many devises use batteries. We have a radio that
plays for 20 minutes by cranking it a few times. Our gas stove's top
burners can be lit with a match, and we bought a very nice SS
percolator for coffee... it makes better coffee than any ADC, we'd use
it all the time only it's a PIA to clean.

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Tuesday, May 28, 2019 at 9:57:16 AM UTC-4, Sheldon wrote:
> On Tue, 28 May 2019 03:24:32 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> <angelica...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >On Monday, May 27, 2019 at 4:40:40 PM UTC-4, Sheldon wrote:
> >
> >> Everyone who lives in a cold climate and has power outages needs a
> >> ventlees gas heater (they operate on natural gas or propane),
> >
> >No, I don't. I have a natural-gas powered automatic standby generator.
> >It's big enough to run the air-conditioning in the summer and has no
> >trouble with the small amount of electricity used by the furnace blower.
> >
> >Cindy Hamilton
>
> I considered a whole house generator but decided a hundred bucks for a
> ventless gas heater was a much better investment than several
> thousand$ for a generator that may see use very occasionally and
> briefly.

Everybody's needs are different. We also take comfort in the
fact that my husband's CPAP is covered by the generator.

Cindy Hamilton

[penm...@aol.com]

On 28 May 2019 Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>On May 28, 2019 Sheldon wrote:
>>On 28 May 2019 Cindy Hamilton wrote:

>>May 27, 2019 Sheldon wrote:
>> >
>> >> Everyone who lives in a cold climate and has power outages needs a
>> >> ventlees gas heater (they operate on natural gas or propane),
>> >
>> >No, I don't. I have a natural-gas powered automatic standby generator.
>> >It's big enough to run the air-conditioning in the summer and has no
>> >trouble with the small amount of electricity used by the furnace blower.
>> >
>> >Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> I considered a whole house generator but decided a hundred bucks for a
>> ventless gas heater was a much better investment than several
>> thousand$ for a generator that may see use very occasionally and
>> briefly.
>
>Everybody's needs are different. We also take comfort in the
>fact that my husband's CPAP is covered by the generator.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

Nowadays most medical devices are portable and are run on batteries...
I'm sure you've seen the ads on TV for battery operated O2
generators.
https://www.cpap.com/cpap-battery-power/cpap-battery

How often do you have power outages and for how long that you need a
generator? Our PCs and TVs are on battery back up, but only so they
don't slam off abruptly when there's a brief outage, a blip on the
grid can damage electronics. I have a battery operated nebulizer for
my COPD, will also run plugged in to my vehicle's cigarette lighter. I
can see food markets having a generator for their refrigeration, they
can have half a million dollar$ in perishables. As I said yoose are
fearful folks. Lots of people around here have spent several thousand
dollar$ for whole house generators and really don't use them for more
than a few minutes at most once a year, all very fearful folks.... and
most are easily frightened seniors who really can't afford 3-4 Grand
on the units, have it installed, and pay for service and maintainence.
There are many people who operate generator businesses just to bilk
the fearful folks. Your decision has not a whit to do with CPAP,
yoose just can't live without TV for an hour. We've never lost a
nickle's worth of food from power outages, simply don't open the
fridge, it'll maintain cold for 2-3 days. plenty of time to get a $5
block of dry ice... every hick town has an ice house nearby that sells
blocks of dry ice, look in the yellow pages and place their phone
number and address on your fridge. Any place there's a hospital
there's dry ice within a ten minute drive. Yoose really need to
kick your desperation life style... I promise that yoose can live
without TV for an hour or two... read a book, do crossword puzzles,
learn to knit, power outages are the best times to enjoy sex, generate
your own electricity. LOL

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 5/28/2019 8:06 PM, penm...@aol.com wrote:
> On 28 May 2019 Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On May 28, 2019 Sheldon wrote:
>>> On 28 May 2019 Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> May 27, 2019 Sheldon wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Everyone who lives in a cold climate and has power outages needs a
>>>>> ventlees gas heater (they operate on natural gas or propane),
>>>>
>>>> No, I don't. I have a natural-gas powered automatic standby generator.
>>>> It's big enough to run the air-conditioning in the summer and has no
>>>> trouble with the small amount of electricity used by the furnace blower.
>>>>
>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>>> I considered a whole house generator but decided a hundred bucks for a
>>> ventless gas heater was a much better investment than several
>>> thousand$ for a generator that may see use very occasionally and
>>> briefly.
>>
>> Everybody's needs are different. We also take comfort in the
>> fact that my husband's CPAP is covered by the generator.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
> Nowadays most medical devices are portable and are run on batteries...
> I'm sure you've seen the ads on TV for battery operated O2
> generators.
> https://www.cpap.com/cpap-battery-power/cpap-battery
>

The battery operated are good for about 10 hours. With no power you
cannot recharge the battery then you are SOL. Same with oxygen
machines. We have a battery one but the same potential problem. I also
have portable tanks and can get 24 hours total out of the three of them
but in an extended outage, you still need power to fill them to 3000
psi, about a 2 hour process. At $300 a tank I'm not inclined to buy more
tanks when I can get a generator for $500 to do it all.

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 5/28/2019 8:06 PM, penm...@aol.com wrote:

> yoose just can't live without TV for an hour. We've never lost a
> nickle's worth of food from power outages, simply don't open the
> fridge, it'll maintain cold for 2-3 days. plenty of time to get a $5
> block of dry ice... every hick town has an ice house nearby that sells
> blocks of dry ice, look in the yellow pages and place their phone
> number and address on your fridge.

I just did that and yes, there is one about 30 miles from me. Since
they serve an area of about 600,000 people I imagine they will save a
block for me.

[penm...@aol.com]

A $500 gemerator is a very noisy toy. It's much easier and cheaper to
recharge with a vehical's cigarette lighter. And O2 generators
operate on battery packs that are easily recharged the same as battery
operated tools. It costs a lot less to buy an extra battery pack. Of
course it you are out of power for days you are screwed but that very
rarely occurs, just keep your vehical's fuel tank topped up... the
usual power outage in the US lasts for minutes, some for a couple of
hours. If there's a drastic weather incident like a tornado there is
nothing a generator can do... buy a bulk pack of batteries. I keep
bulk packs of batteries on hand at all times, Amazon sells their own
brand and they are excellent, and cost a lot less than copper tops.
Batteries cost a whole lot less than generators that often fail to
operate. I trust my battery operated nebulizer a lot more than any
generator... a couple of inexpensive AA cells will keep it running for
2-3 days. Truth is I wouldn't want a generator if someone gave me one
for free... batteries are far less trouble and cost less than buying
fuel. And batteries are a whole lot easier/safer to store than fuel.
It's very rare that anyone in the US has no power for more than a
couple three hours, usually minutes. I can't think of any reason why
I'd benefit from a $4,000 whole house generator that mostly sits idle,
when I can buy AA cell batteries for pennies. But then fearful folk
can't live wihout TV for an hour... and obviously they are unable to
read books and gave up getting laid 30 years ago.

[Ophelia]

"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message news:kWkHE.24541$m64...@fx12.iad...

===

My nebuliser works off both, but I can't remember having to use it on
just battery very often.

[Cindy Hamilton]

We had a portable generator. One winter while he was out of town we
had an ice storm. I had to get the neighbor over to start the genny.
Next year we put in the automatic.

Cindy Hamilton

[Gary]

Ophelia wrote:
> My nebuliser works off both, but I can't remember having to use it on
> just battery very often.

I've only used a nebuliser once 10.5 years ago when my inhaler
stopped working for me. That's the night I told about before
where I was trapped sitting on toilet most of the night and
figured I was dead wood.

DOT! Stands for dead on toilet. heheh

And if you remember the story: after I finally gave up on my life
and accepted death, I spent the rest of the night worrying about
the 2 ferrets in the closed cage. Poor little ones would have
starved to death before I was missed and discovered. I really
think it was concern about them that kept me alive. My concern
really was about them.

I find it interesting about a nebuliser though. Same drug
(albuterol) as an inhaler but the first thing the doctor did was
put me on one. Took about 15-20 minutes to breathe it all and it
fixed the problem just like that. Same drug administered in a
different manner. WTH?

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Tuesday, May 28, 2019 at 8:06:34 PM UTC-4, Sheldon wrote:
> On 28 May 2019 Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >On May 28, 2019 Sheldon wrote:
> >>On 28 May 2019 Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >>May 27, 2019 Sheldon wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Everyone who lives in a cold climate and has power outages needs a
> >> >> ventlees gas heater (they operate on natural gas or propane),
> >> >
> >> >No, I don't. I have a natural-gas powered automatic standby generator.
> >> >It's big enough to run the air-conditioning in the summer and has no
> >> >trouble with the small amount of electricity used by the furnace blower.
> >> >
> >> >Cindy Hamilton
> >>
> >> I considered a whole house generator but decided a hundred bucks for a
> >> ventless gas heater was a much better investment than several
> >> thousand$ for a generator that may see use very occasionally and
> >> briefly.
> >
> >Everybody's needs are different. We also take comfort in the
> >fact that my husband's CPAP is covered by the generator.
> >
> >Cindy Hamilton
>
> Nowadays most medical devices are portable and are run on batteries...
> I'm sure you've seen the ads on TV for battery operated O2
> generators.
> https://www.cpap.com/cpap-battery-power/cpap-battery

Yeah, you got me. We installed the generator because we didn't have
any better use for the money and it was fun to do the installation.

Cindy Hamilton

[Bruce]

On Wed, 29 May 2019 06:24:43 -0400, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:

>Ophelia wrote:
>> My nebuliser works off both, but I can't remember having to use it on
>> just battery very often.
>
>I've only used a nebuliser once 10.5 years ago when my inhaler
>stopped working for me. That's the night I told about before
>where I was trapped sitting on toilet most of the night and
>figured I was dead wood.

Bad cheeseburgers?

[John Kuthe]

On Wednesday, May 29, 2019 at 5:32:55 AM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
...

>
> Yeah, you got me. We installed the generator because we didn't have
> any better use for the money and it was fun to do the installation.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

ROFL!! You INSTALLED a Petroleum USER?

You DUMBSHIT!! :-( Petroleum is GOING AWAY! Petroleum is an Elite Limited Energy Source!

Does your EGO a lot of good though! :-(

John Kuthe, Climate Anarchist and Seerer Of The Future!

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Wednesday, May 29, 2019 at 9:09:07 AM UTC-4, John Kuthe wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 29, 2019 at 5:32:55 AM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> ...
> >
> > Yeah, you got me. We installed the generator because we didn't have
> > any better use for the money and it was fun to do the installation.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
>
> ROFL!! You INSTALLED a Petroleum USER?
>
> You DUMBSHIT!! :-( Petroleum is GOING AWAY! Petroleum is an Elite Limited Energy Source!

I don't imagine natural gas will go away before I do. It
looks like we have at least 50 years of it left. I've
probably got 20-25.

Cindy Hamilton

[Ophelia]

"Gary" wrote in message news:5CEE5DEB...@att.net...

Ophelia wrote:
> My nebuliser works off both, but I can't remember having to use it on
> just battery very often.

I've only used a nebuliser once 10.5 years ago when my inhaler
stopped working for me. That's the night I told about before
where I was trapped sitting on toilet most of the night and
figured I was dead wood.

Yes:( I remember:(

DOT! Stands for dead on toilet. heheh

Thank Goodness you were not!!!

And if you remember the story: after I finally gave up on my life
and accepted death, I spent the rest of the night worrying about
the 2 ferrets in the closed cage. Poor little ones would have
starved to death before I was missed and discovered. I really
think it was concern about them that kept me alive. My concern
really was about them.

Yes:(

I find it interesting about a nebuliser though. Same drug
(albuterol) as an inhaler but the first thing the doctor did was
put me on one. Took about 15-20 minutes to breathe it all and it
fixed the problem just like that. Same drug administered in a
different manner. WTH?

I have a salbutamol inhaler as well as salbutamol nebules for the
nebuliser

I have 2 puffs at night along with other inhalers as a preventative,
and the nebuliser when I am really bad.

[Gary]

Don't forget "Court Jester" in your sig.

[graham]

To which I'd add: "Raving Loonie"