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[m...@privacy.net]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-biz-kroger-home-chef-merger-20180523-story.html

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Wednesday, May 23, 2018 at 4:49:29 PM UTC-5, m...@privacy.net wrote:
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> http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-biz-kroger-home-chef-merger-20180523-story.html
>
>
I've never heard of this meal kit company. But there sure seem to be
enough of them around.

[jmcquown]

The latest ones I've seen ads for don't even expect you to use fresh
supplied ingredients to prep and cook the food. It comes in plastic
trays, sort of like buying a Stouffer's frozen entree. Heat in the
microwave for 3 minutes and it's done. Allegedly "healthy". Sorry, I
didn't pay any attention to the name of this new (even more lazy) home
delivery meal company. No mention in the ads of price.

Jill

[Ed Pawlowski]

BJ's is now selling kits of some sort. As for price, the article did
mention this:
Most of Home Chef’s dinner meals are $9.95 per serving, and the company
offers lunch options and additional offerings such as smoothies and
fruit baskets.

[jmcquown]

I cannot recall the name of the delivery brand I've recently seen. I'm
really not interested in having home delivered meal kits but this caught
my attention. Struck me as having frozen dinners (*like Stouffer's or
Banquet) microwaveable dinners delivered to your home. LOL I can't
think of reason to order frozen dinners onlie.

I wish I could remember the name of this new company. Not that I'm
likely to order, just curious about the prices. Oh, and it's supposed
to be so "healthy"!

Jill

[U.S. Janet B.]

On Wed, 23 May 2018 21:24:52 -0500, Sqwertz <swe...@cluemail.compost>
wrote:

>On Wed, 23 May 2018 14:49:22 -0700, m...@privacy.net wrote:
>
>> http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-biz-kroger-home-chef-merger-20180523-story.html
>
>My grocery store has already started the same kinda thing. They cut
>the meat at their meat packing plant, vegetables from their coolers,
>and package everything up in a nice display box for sale in the meat
>department. Half the price of those meal delivery services.
>
>All thjsoe meal delivery companies are hurting last I heard. I
>can't believe there's one that that's successful. It must be
>because of their Chicago-centric demographics. Just as ones
>concentrating on New York would probably be successful.
>
>-sw
My Albertsons has been doing that for years. It's right on the edge
of downtown. Singles or others can stop at their complete salad bar
right next to the deli, next to the fried chicken, next to the bakery
rolls next to the meat counters with various trays of seasoned meats
with veggies alongside. Then you only need to stop for the beer and
your dinner is complete. Many laborers stop and fix their lunch and
stop again and pick up dinner. Nice.
Janet US

[Wayne Boatwright]

On Wed 23 May 2018 07:33:28p, U.S. Janet B. told us...

Most of the supermarkets in Phoenix are similarly equipped,
particuarly in all of the suburbs where making a stop like that is
convenient on the way home from work. However, making the stop in
the first place and then having to select myriad options to assemble
a complete meal to take home is the last thing I would want to do
after a day at work.

Having said that, I am not an advocate for any of these boxed meal
kits delivered to the home. They may not always contain what I would
want at the moment or be in the mood to prepare the meal. Though I
don't know the costs involved, I'm quite sure that one is paying
quite a bit for covenience, and food at the supermarket is expensive
enough these days.

We typically shop every two weeks and perishables either end up in
the refrigerator or the freezer. I've been planning meals for over
50 years, so I know that I can put together a couple of weeks worth
of meals on any given day.

We go out for dinner if we don't feel like cooking.



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**********************************************************

Wayne Boatwright

[dsi1]

On Wednesday, May 23, 2018 at 4:12:12 PM UTC-10, Jill McQuown wrote:
>
> I cannot recall the name of the delivery brand I've recently seen. I'm
> really not interested in having home delivered meal kits but this caught
> my attention. Struck me as having frozen dinners (*like Stouffer's or
> Banquet) microwaveable dinners delivered to your home. LOL I can't
> think of reason to order frozen dinners onlie.
>
> I wish I could remember the name of this new company. Not that I'm
> likely to order, just curious about the prices. Oh, and it's supposed
> to be so "healthy"!
>
> Jill

The company in the article does not mail out frozen dinners - you have to prepare the meals yourself. Young folks like this approach because it frees them from having to decide what to make for dinner. Young folks have a tough time deciding on things and they're not into meal planning. They also love having things sent to them and unboxing stuff. It's a simple, brilliant, concept that fits well into today's lifestyles. Evidently, it's quite profitable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Clb4apqV6Gw

[Julie Bove]

"Sqwertz" <swe...@cluemail.compost> wrote in message
news:141co0k4...@sqwertz.com...

> On Wed, 23 May 2018 14:49:22 -0700, m...@privacy.net wrote:
>
>> http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-biz-kroger-home-chef-merger-20180523-story.html
>
> My grocery store has already started the same kinda thing. They cut
> the meat at their meat packing plant, vegetables from their coolers,
> and package everything up in a nice display box for sale in the meat
> department. Half the price of those meal delivery services.
>
> All thjsoe meal delivery companies are hurting last I heard. I
> can't believe there's one that that's successful. It must be
> because of their Chicago-centric demographics. Just as ones
> concentrating on New York would probably be successful.

Might work in NY but then pretty much all of the restaurants deliver there.
When I lived there, most of my neighbors never or rarely cooked. The one
that ran a daycare did buy frozen chicken nuggets that she heated up. But
mostly people went to the grocery store for soda pop, bagels, fruit and
maybe snack foods. They alternated between pizza and Chinese delivery and
those places sent so much food, there would be enough for 2-3 days.

[Julie Bove]

"U.S. Janet B." <J...@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:oq8cgd1bn21jbmtiu...@4ax.com...

Ours don't have salad bars. They do have chicken bars. The chicken all seems
to be breaded and fried, with or without bones and various sauces and
seasonings.

[jmcquown]

On 5/23/2018 10:24 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Wed, 23 May 2018 14:49:22 -0700, m...@privacy.net wrote:
>
>> http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-biz-kroger-home-chef-merger-20180523-story.html
>
> My grocery store has already started the same kinda thing. They cut
> the meat at their meat packing plant, vegetables from their coolers,
> and package everything up in a nice display box for sale in the meat
> department. Half the price of those meal delivery services.
>

I'm pretty sure Publix offers the same sort of thing. Ah yes, but this
is seafood:

http://www.publix.com/products-services/seafood/fresh-seafood-cook-in-bag-dinners

First, choose your fish... :)

> All thjsoe meal delivery companies are hurting last I heard. I
> can't believe there's one that that's successful. It must be
> because of their Chicago-centric demographics. Just as ones
> concentrating on New York would probably be successful.
>
> -sw
>

I would think they'd have to be in heavily populated cities to make it
worth their while. These kits are for people who are (allegedly) rushed
for time.

Jill

[Gary]

I think those kits are silly and overpriced. If I was in a rush
for time, I would just stock up with frozen dinners and there are
many good ones available now.

[jmcquown]

Or make your own "freezer meals" when you have the time and stash them
in the freezer. I've been doing that for years, even before I had a
separate freezer.

$9.95 per person is the price breakdown in a lot of ads. That's (I
guess) after you get the $30 savings if you use a coupon code. Without
the coupon it figures out to be about $70 for a box of food for four
people. For one meal. YIKES!

I can cook an entire and delicious meal for four for much less than
(let's round it up) $10 per person. With quality ingredients.

Someone else, I think it was Wayne, mentioned what if you don't feel
like eating what they send? If you subscribe they're going to pick out
what they *think* you want to eat. I don't know about you, but I can
wake up in the morning thinking I might like to have a steak and baked
potato for dinner, then totally change my mind later in the day.

Jill

[penm...@aol.com]

On Thu, 24 May 2018 09:23:50 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

And don't know how to cook... those kits are as much about cooking as
paint by numbers is about art. And those meal kits are a whole lot
more expensive than grocery shopping by about double... a lot of young
folks don't know how to grocery shop either.

[penm...@aol.com]

Frozen dinners are very popular with those who don't know how to
cook... if they knew how to cook they would prepare their own frozen
dinners when they had time and fill their freezer. That's why I cook
many things in large amounts, I make my own frozen meals. I've tried
several of those commercially prepared frozen dinners, no thank you,
it's all mystery food, Read the ingredients list on those things,
lots of chems.

[penm...@aol.com]

On Thu, 24 May 2018 10:09:52 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

For $70 I can feed 10 people a delicious beef stew, all they can eat.

>I can cook an entire and delicious meal for four for much less than
>(let's round it up) $10 per person. With quality ingredients.
>
>Someone else, I think it was Wayne, mentioned what if you don't feel
>like eating what they send? If you subscribe they're going to pick out
>what they *think* you want to eat. I don't know about you, but I can
>wake up in the morning thinking I might like to have a steak and baked
>potato for dinner, then totally change my mind later in the day.
>
>Jill

Two days ago I made a marinated roast beef but after working outside
all day yesterday neither of us felt like a big meal so I quickly put
together a tossed salad, we'll eat that roast tonight... and there
will still be enough for cold roastbeef sandwiches the following day.
I make largish (5 lb) roasts often, costs a lot less than cold cuts
and a lot more healthful. And roast beef/pork freezes well for
another meal. I don't light my oven for a 2 lb roast.

It costs a lot less to shop for your own groceries plus I don't want
anyone picking out my meats and produce.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Thursday, May 24, 2018 at 8:24:02 AM UTC-5, Jill McQuown wrote:
>
> On 5/23/2018 10:24 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 23 May 2018 14:49:22 -0700, m...@privacy.net wrote:
> >
> >> http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-biz-kroger-home-chef-merger-20180523-story.html
> >
> > My grocery store has already started the same kinda thing. They cut
> > the meat at their meat packing plant, vegetables from their coolers,
> > and package everything up in a nice display box for sale in the meat
> > department. Half the price of those meal delivery services.
> >
> I'm pretty sure Publix offers the same sort of thing. Ah yes, but this
> is seafood:
>

> Jill
>
>
I don't think it's the same thing but my Kroger has offered a small
beef roast with potatoes, carrots, and onions, packaged in a tray.
All you have to do when you get home is cook it. I guess that saves
time not having to stop in the vegetables section and buying those
things but it couldn't save much time. I've noticed they also have
packages of chicken breasts with some sort of seasoning on them but
once again you have to actually cook those once you get home.

[U.S. Janet B.]

On Thu, 24 May 2018 10:09:52 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

some people are so time committed that they don't have time to plan
what you are talking about. I know several couples, they travel
almost constantly with work, have 2-3 kids, a dog, a nanny a
housekeeper and lawn care person. They moved here from the big city
to live a more relaxed life style. I can't imagine what their life
was like before. They claim they are living a slower pace now.
Janet US

[jmcquown]

On 5/24/2018 11:19 AM, penm...@aol.com wrote:
>> $9.95 per person is the price breakdown in a lot of ads. That's (I
>> guess) after you get the $30 savings if you use a coupon code. Without
>> the coupon it figures out to be about $70 for a box of food for four
>> people. For one meal. YIKES!
>
> For $70 I can feed 10 people a delicious beef stew, all they can eat.
>

Served with nice crusty bread. :) I don't know about all they can eat. Heh.

>> I can cook an entire and delicious meal for four for much less than
>> (let's round it up) $10 per person. With quality ingredients.
>>
>> Someone else, I think it was Wayne, mentioned what if you don't feel
>> like eating what they send? If you subscribe they're going to pick out
>> what they *think* you want to eat. I don't know about you, but I can
>> wake up in the morning thinking I might like to have a steak and baked
>> potato for dinner, then totally change my mind later in the day.
>>
>> Jill
>
> Two days ago I made a marinated roast beef but after working outside
> all day yesterday neither of us felt like a big meal so I quickly put
> together a tossed salad, we'll eat that roast tonight...

I guess that is your way of saying sometimes you change your mind. :)

> another meal. I don't light my oven for a 2 lb roast.
>

I don't have to "light" my oven.

> It costs a lot less to shop for your own groceries plus I don't want
> anyone picking out my meats and produce.
>

These people don't want to be bothered. I don't enjoy shopping but I
definitely want to select my own groceries. I like to be able to touch,
smell and get the feel of it. I can tell when a vegetable is ripe. I
can tell if the meat is fresh. Don't send me something with a recipe
card and pre-measured ingredients that you assume will feed four. I'm
not interested.

Jill

[jmcquown]

Doesn't sound like a slower pace to me. I can see why they don't have
time to cook. If they can afford these delivered meal kits, more power
to them! I'm not sure I buy into the "more time together" ads when you
see the box show up and everyone in the family is there participating in
the cooking.

Jill

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Thursday, May 24, 2018 at 10:37:32 AM UTC-5, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>
> some people are so time committed that they don't have time to plan
> what you are talking about. I know several couples, they travel
> almost constantly with work, have 2-3 kids, a dog, a nanny a
> housekeeper and lawn care person. They moved here from the big city
> to live a more relaxed life style. I can't imagine what their life
> was like before. They claim they are living a slower pace now.
> Janet US
>
>

They have a housekeeper, a nanny, and a lawn care person and still
can't put a meal on the table????

[jmcquown]

They don't *want* to learn how to cook. Give them a box of ingredients
and a recipe card and they can pretend they came up with a great dinner
idea! No need to go to the grocery store or learn what the name of that
vegetable.

Most of these delivered meal kits are advertised as bringing families
together. Yeah, right. As if all children want to see their parents
unpack a box of stuff and then help them cook it.

Jill

[jmcquown]

Yes, the "stuff" (harking back to the subject) I've seen advertised at
Publix does have to be cooked once you get it home. They're sold in
"oven bags". The time saver, I suppose, is not having to chop veggies
and figure out the side dish. These oven bagged seafood things I've
seen advertised usually include rice or barley or some sort of grain
and vegetables. Pop them in the oven for 30 minutes. I've never
thought about buying one.

I couldn't tell you the price because the Publix web site actually wants
me to fill out an order form before it tells me what it will cost.
Sorry, not going to do that. Apparently these things are made to order.
I suppose that's good. Still not something I'd buy.

Jill

[U.S. Janet B.]

they put meals on the table. They also attend soccer, swimming, PTA
and the kid things. But when one person is leaving or coming back
from the airport and the other is on the way out, it becomes difficult
to manage the shopping. To be fair, I never said they did all their
meals delivered. People our age can't really judge. These are not
employees with traditional 9 to 5 jobs that I am talking about, I'm
talking about running their own business or being director of a bunch
of people all across the US. The nanny takes the children to school,
picks them up and stays with them until the parents arrive home.
I believe you are thinking of the households in the old black and
white movies where these people live in. P.S. Most everyone of that
age in my area has those people to help them. Don't you have Merry
Maids and lawn care services where you live?
Janet US

[jmcquown]

Why didn't they hire a cook?!

Jill

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Thursday, May 24, 2018 at 11:25:25 AM UTC-5, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> On Thu, 24 May 2018 09:04:33 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
> <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>
> >On Thursday, May 24, 2018 at 10:37:32 AM UTC-5, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> >>
> >> some people are so time committed that they don't have time to plan
> >> what you are talking about. I know several couples, they travel
> >> almost constantly with work, have 2-3 kids, a dog, a nanny a
> >> housekeeper and lawn care person. They moved here from the big city
> >> to live a more relaxed life style. I can't imagine what their life
> >> was like before. They claim they are living a slower pace now.
> >> Janet US
> >>
> >>
> >They have a housekeeper, a nanny, and a lawn care person and still
> >can't put a meal on the table????
>
> they put meals on the table. They also attend soccer, swimming, PTA
> and the kid things. But when one person is leaving or coming back
> from the airport and the other is on the way out, it becomes difficult
> to manage the shopping. To be fair, I never said they did all their
> meals delivered. People our age can't really judge. These are not
> employees with traditional 9 to 5 jobs that I am talking about, I'm
> talking about running their own business or being director of a bunch
> of people all across the US.
>

They have chosen this life style so if they whine they have no free time
they get no sympathy from me. Nothing wrong with their choices but it is
their choice.

>
> The nanny takes the children to school,
> picks them up and stays with them until the parents arrive home.
> I believe you are thinking of the households in the old black and
> white movies where these people live in. P.S. Most everyone of that
> age in my area has those people to help them. Don't you have Merry
> Maids and lawn care services where you live?
> Janet US
>

Yep, maid service and lawn services but once again their lifestyle choice.

[Wayne Boatwright]

On Thu 24 May 2018 09:25:16a, U.S. Janet B. told us...

If they have nannies and housekeepers, then why dond't they hire
cooks? My mother had a hoousekeeper and a cook who did the shopping
an most of the cooking.

[jmcquown]

On 5/24/2018 12:25 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> On Thu, 24 May 2018 09:04:33 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
> <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, May 24, 2018 at 10:37:32 AM UTC-5, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>>
>>> some people are so time committed that they don't have time to plan
>>> what you are talking about. I know several couples, they travel
>>> almost constantly with work, have 2-3 kids, a dog, a nanny a
>>> housekeeper and lawn care person. They moved here from the big city
>>> to live a more relaxed life style. I can't imagine what their life
>>> was like before. They claim they are living a slower pace now.
>>> Janet US
>>>
>>>
>> They have a housekeeper, a nanny, and a lawn care person and still
>> can't put a meal on the table????
>
> they put meals on the table. They also attend soccer, swimming, PTA
> and the kid things.

When I was a kid, parents weren't nearly so busy. Neither was I. Heh.

> from the airport and the other is on the way out, it becomes difficult
> to manage the shopping.

Sorry, I'm not familiar with that scenario, Janet.

I do pay someone to take care of my yard. I'm not a fan of yard work or
gardening. I do not pay someone to clean my house or prep and deliver
my meals.

Jill

[U.S. Janet B.]

On Thu, 24 May 2018 09:37:40 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"

I don't believe that I said anywhere that they whine.Your
interpretation of a life style you don't understand?/
Janet US

[U.S. Janet B.]

On Thu, 24 May 2018 12:32:51 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

Perhaps they wanted to do as much as they could. I don't understand
the negative reaction to people like this. I simply explained why
some people would use a meal service from time to time. I live in a
community full of busy people like this who want to retain as much
family time as they can without the intrusion of live in help.
Janet US

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

I didn't say you said they whine but I've yet to see any couple/family
that gallop from place to place that don't whine over their lifestyle.
Usually it's fake whining for attention though.

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 5/24/2018 12:25 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:

Not my job to be judgemental but I will be. If you have a lifestyle
that requires your kids to be raised by the hired help, you should not
have them. Do the have to have that kinds of a lifestyle? No, it is
their choice. They are putting material things ahead of family.

[jmcquown]

They wanted to do as much as they could by hiring a housekeeper and a
nanny? Hands on. Sure. It sounds to me like s very posh lifestyle and
not like the parents want to be much involved with their children.

Ordering a meal kit won't make the family be any closer. It's a
marketing image.

Jill

[jmcquown]

That's kind of the way I look at it, Ed. Then again I don't have
children so I'm not allowed to have an opinion. Heh.

Jill

[Cheri]

"jmcquown" <j_mc...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:IaDNC.175083$g%2.4...@fx17.iad...

> On 5/24/2018 1:53 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 5/24/2018 12:25 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>> On Thu, 24 May 2018 09:04:33 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
>>> <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thursday, May 24, 2018 at 10:37:32 AM UTC-5, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> some people are so time committed that they don't have time to plan

>>>>> what you are talking about. I know several couples, they travel

>>>>> almost constantly with work, have 2-3 kids, a dog, a nanny a

>>>>> housekeeper and lawn care person. They moved here from the big city
>>>>> to live a more relaxed life style. I can't imagine what their life
>>>>> was like before. They claim they are living a slower pace now.

>>>>> Janet US
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> They have a housekeeper, a nanny, and a lawn care person and still
>>>> can't put a meal on the table????
>>>

>>> they put meals on the table. They also attend soccer, swimming, PTA
>>> and the kid things. But when one person is leaving or coming back

>>> from the airport and the other is on the way out, it becomes difficult

>>> to manage the shopping. To be fair, I never said they did all their
>>> meals delivered. People our age can't really judge. These are not
>>> employees with traditional 9 to 5 jobs that I am talking about, I'm

>>> talking about running their own business or being director of a bunch

>>> of people all across the US. The nanny takes the children to school,

>>> picks them up and stays with them until the parents arrive home.
>>> I believe you are thinking of the households in the old black and
>>> white movies where these people live in.
>>

>> Not my job to be judgemental but I will be. If you have a lifestyle that

>> requires your kids to be raised by the hired help, you should not have

>> them. Do the have to have that kinds of a lifestyle? No, it is their
>> choice. They are putting material things ahead of family.

>>
> That's kind of the way I look at it, Ed. Then again I don't have children
> so I'm not allowed to have an opinion. Heh.
>
> Jill

You're allowed to have it, it's just that people with children won't pay
much attention to it. :)

Cheri

[Dave Smith]

On 2018-05-24 1:53 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> Not my job to be judgemental but I will be.  If you have a lifestyle
> that requires your kids to be raised by the hired help, you should not
> have them.  Do the have to have that kinds of a lifestyle?  No, it is
> their choice.  They are putting material things ahead of family.
>

That is the way a lot of wealthy families have been for years. The
father had a high caliber job that involved a lot of long days and
entertainment. The mother was busy with social clubs, activities,
accompanying the father to dinners with business partners or clients.
The kids were left in the care of a nanny.

[U.S. Janet B.]

The children are not being raised by others. Don't know where you got
that from. These people have figured out to have an income and not
live in their parent's basement. They are keeping their children safe
and occupied. They aren't latch key kids.
The days of a mother staying home to be with the kids is no longer
possible. I guess they could do food stamps and seasonal employment.
Janet US

[Janet]

In article <8u1egdhu2fdb4b6ol...@4ax.com>, J...@nospam.com
says...

> I guess they could do food stamps and seasonal employment.
> Janet US
>
>

But wouldn't that make them niggers?

Janet UK

[U.S. Janet B.]

On Thu, 24 May 2018 13:58:01 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>

Weekly housecleaning help (I know there are women here who have that)
and weekly lawn service (I know there are people here who have that)
and someone to take and pick up the kids from school (that is a common
thing these days, maybe grandma?). If I had used different words than
nanny and housekeeper you would have been able to look around and find
many couples around you (all of RFC) who do the same thing. The
words nanny, housekeeper, lawn care are the words used in my community
but apparently are trigger words for some folks here. Posh lifestyle?
Not hardly.
Janet US

[lucreti...@fl.it]

On Thu, 24 May 2018 12:49:30 -0600, U.S. Janet B. <J...@nospam.com>

Then of course they would be ingrates who should be sterilised. I
think there are many who would like to be home with the kids,
sometimes the father, sometimes the mother, but one parent needs much
more income than they are likely to get in order to achieve that.

[lucreti...@fl.it]

On Thu, 24 May 2018 13:00:05 -0600, U.S. Janet B. <J...@nospam.com>

Very hard work, we had three small kids when we elected to stay in
Canada and with all the uncertainty that involved my working was part
of the security. We had routines, like kids rotating duties, in order
to get it all done but it sure as hell wasn't easy. When my kids look
back, they laugh about some things but I have never once heard one of
them suggest they were unhappy or felt hard done by. I reckoned that
all said and done, I had Sunday afternoons off per week.

I recall one one occasion my son revolted about emptying the
dishwasher, he stupidly claimed it was 'womans work' - baaad idea :)
Actually at work I saw a lovely cartoon, Lucy and Peanuts in the water
and he says 'You don't have one of these' and she lifted her dress and
said 'No, but with one of these I can have all of those I want' - so
that was pinned on the 'fridge :)

[dsi1]

On Thursday, May 24, 2018 at 7:53:32 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> Not my job to be judgemental but I will be. If you have a lifestyle
> that requires your kids to be raised by the hired help, you should not
> have them. Do the have to have that kinds of a lifestyle? No, it is
> their choice. They are putting material things ahead of family.

It is a tradition that old folks waggle their finger at the young folks disapprovingly. Luckily, I like to do the opposite of what most folks do. Personally, I believe the children are our future. Teach them well and let them lead the way.

Our generation should pay the young folks a little more respect. The boomers are under the illusion that they're still in charge. Tan't so. The reality is that we're at their mercy and kind graces. The large numbers in our generation means it'll be a heavy load our kids and their kids will be carrying. Sooner or later, they're going to go berserk and start exterminating any oldster that isn't producing products or services. They'll waggle their fingers in our faces and yell "leach!" That's the breaks.

[Cheri]

"U.S. Janet B." <J...@nospam.com> wrote in message

> Weekly housecleaning help (I know there are women here who have that)
> and weekly lawn service (I know there are people here who have that)
> and someone to take and pick up the kids from school (that is a common
> thing these days, maybe grandma?). If I had used different words than
> nanny and housekeeper you would have been able to look around and find
> many couples around you (all of RFC) who do the same thing. The
> words nanny, housekeeper, lawn care are the words used in my community
> but apparently are trigger words for some folks here. Posh lifestyle?
> Not hardly.
> Janet US

I don't have any of those now, but had lawn service for a few years before
dh retired when I could no longer do it. Believe me, if I could have
afforded that stuff when my kids were small, I would have had it.

Cheri

[jmcquown]

Please don't go there.

Jill

[Hank Rogers]

penm...@aol.com wrote:

> On Thu, 24 May 2018 09:23:50 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>> On 5/23/2018 10:24 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
>>> On Wed, 23 May 2018 14:49:22 -0700, m...@privacy.net wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-biz-kroger-home-chef-merger-20180523-story.html
>>>
>>> My grocery store has already started the same kinda thing. They cut
>>> the meat at their meat packing plant, vegetables from their coolers,
>>> and package everything up in a nice display box for sale in the meat
>>> department. Half the price of those meal delivery services.
>>>
>> I'm pretty sure Publix offers the same sort of thing. Ah yes, but this
>> is seafood:
>>

>> http://www.publix.com/products-services/seafood/fresh-seafood-cook-in-bag-dinners
>>
>> First, choose your fish... :)
>>
>>> All thjsoe meal delivery companies are hurting last I heard. I
>>> can't believe there's one that that's successful. It must be
>>> because of their Chicago-centric demographics. Just as ones
>>> concentrating on New York would probably be successful.
>>>
>>> -sw
>>>
>> I would think they'd have to be in heavily populated cities to make it
>> worth their while. These kits are for people who are (allegedly) rushed
>> for time.
>>
>> Jill
>
> And don't know how to cook... those kits are as much about cooking as
> paint by numbers is about art. And those meal kits are a whole lot
> more expensive than grocery shopping by about double... a lot of young
> folks don't know how to grocery shop either.
>

Popeye, everyone knows yoose is da onliest one here that "cooks".

Yoose should put something like that in your sig. It would allow yoose
to type about 30% less, giving yoose much mo' time to cook yoose giant
meals, or to tell everyone yoose fantastic sex stories, or to hunt down
gays.

[jmcquown]

On 5/24/2018 3:37 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Thu, 24 May 2018 10:09:52 -0400, jmcquown wrote:
>
>> $9.95 per person is the price breakdown in a lot of ads. That's (I
>> guess) after you get the $30 savings if you use a coupon code. Without
>> the coupon it figures out to be about $70 for a box of food for four
>> people. For one meal. YIKES!
>
> And that's for really small portions that barely follow "USDA
> guidelines". 3-4 ounces of meat, 4oz of vegetables, 3oz of cooked
> pasta, etc... For some people that works for them. But for many it
> doesn't. Restaurants could never survive servings portions like
> that for $9.95. Not in my area, at least. Restaurnats are much
> more expensive in San Francisco and New York due to rent.
>
> -sw
>
I never have understood portions on food labels. Broken down into
ounces. Might as well say each person gets X number of bites. Not
everyone has the same appetite.

Jill

[jmcquown]

On 5/24/2018 3:28 PM, Sqwertz wrote:

> On Thu, 24 May 2018 09:23:50 -0400, jmcquown wrote:
>
>> On 5/23/2018 10:24 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
>>> On Wed, 23 May 2018 14:49:22 -0700, m...@privacy.net wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-biz-kroger-home-chef-merger-20180523-story.html
>>>
>>> My grocery store has already started the same kinda thing. They cut
>>> the meat at their meat packing plant, vegetables from their coolers,
>>> and package everything up in a nice display box for sale in the meat
>>> department. Half the price of those meal delivery services.
>>>
>> I'm pretty sure Publix offers the same sort of thing. Ah yes, but this
>> is seafood:
>>
>> http://www.publix.com/products-services/seafood/fresh-seafood-cook-in-bag-dinners
>>
>

> Let me clarify... These come exactly like you'd get from a "Home
> Chef" service. A meat, a veggie, a starch,a couple cloves of
> garlic, a dram bottle of EVOO, 6 mushrooms, as plastic fish of soy
> sauce, 2 green onions, etc... All raw and ready to be prepared and
> cooked. All the "shopping" has been done and the ingredients you
> need have been put into a box.
>
> -sw
>
Okay, so we're not talking about a take it home and just put in the oven
meal kit?

Jill

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 5/24/2018 1:58 PM, jmcquown wrote:

>
> Ordering a meal kit won't make the family be any closer.  It's a
> marketing image.
>
> Jill

Yes, it is. It does save shopping time and it does typically take about
30 minutes from box to table and you can feel like a great homemaker.
Going for takeout or to a restaurant will take at least that time and
cost more.

We tried it. The food is ok but not something I'd do on a weekly basis.

[jmcquown]

On 5/24/2018 3:53 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Thu, 24 May 2018 11:50:01 -0400, jmcquown wrote:
>
>> On 5/24/2018 11:19 AM, penm...@aol.com wrote:
>
>>> another meal. I don't light my oven for a 2 lb roast.
>>>
>> I don't have to "light" my oven.
>
> Sheldon is showing is Jewishness. There are many customs regarding
> lighting the oven, anybody just can't "turn it on" any time they
> want <gasp>.
>
> He can change his last name from Katz to Martin, but he's still 99%
> Jewish.
>
> -sw
>
I don't actually care about any of that. I simply said I don't have to
light my electric oven.

Jill

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 5/24/2018 2:49 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:

>> Not my job to be judgemental but I will be. If you have a lifestyle
>> that requires your kids to be raised by the hired help, you should not
>> have them. Do the have to have that kinds of a lifestyle? No, it is
>> their choice. They are putting material things ahead of family.
>
> The children are not being raised by others. Don't know where you got
> that from. These people have figured out to have an income and not
> live in their parent's basement. They are keeping their children safe
> and occupied. They aren't latch key kids.
> The days of a mother staying home to be with the kids is no longer
> possible. I guess they could do food stamps and seasonal employment.
> Janet US
>

I'm not talking about the food stamp crowd. I'm talking about the BMW
crowd where the wife has to work so they can have a Lincoln Navigator
SUV too. I'm talking the ones that have the huge house with a big
mortgage and they both work so they can take a cruise every winter.

The food stamp crowd does not have nanny's. They may use grandmom.

Today some things are different. We lived with only one TV, no cell
phones or iPads.

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 5/24/2018 3:03 PM, lucreti...@fl.it wrote:

>
> Then of course they would be ingrates who should be sterilised. I
> think there are many who would like to be home with the kids,
> sometimes the father, sometimes the mother, but one parent needs much
> more income than they are likely to get in order to achieve that.
>

Sure, but they are not the ones with nannys and other hired help.
Different situation.

[penm...@aol.com]

On Thu, 24 May 2018 09:04:33 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
<itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:

>On Thursday, May 24, 2018 at 10:37:32 AM UTC-5, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>
>> some people are so time committed that they don't have time to plan
>> what you are talking about. I know several couples, they travel
>> almost constantly with work, have 2-3 kids, a dog, a nanny a
>> housekeeper and lawn care person. They moved here from the big city
>> to live a more relaxed life style. I can't imagine what their life
>> was like before. They claim they are living a slower pace now.
>> Janet US
>>
>>
>They have a housekeeper, a nanny, and a lawn care person and still
>can't put a meal on the table????

TIAD meals always take much longer from start to finish.
People who know how to cook don't need to spend much time on food
prep.

[penm...@aol.com]

On Thu, 24 May 2018 13:53:28 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.net> wrote:

Here in farm country if you ask how they can tend to so many chores
they answer why do you think we have all those kids.

[penm...@aol.com]

Here as soon as kids can walk they are feeding the livestock between
pulling weeds, and at five years old they are driving the tractor. By
6-7 they are baling hay. My neighbor's kids are 5- 6 years old and
are milking goats... makes me jealous. LOL

[Bruce]

I think Crystal Palace makes you underestimate by ten years how old
these children are. It also make you way too interested in goats.

[Hank Rogers]

Sqwertz wrote:

> On Thu, 24 May 2018 16:52:05 -0400, jmcquown wrote:
>
>> On 5/24/2018 3:53 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
>>> On Thu, 24 May 2018 11:50:01 -0400, jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/24/2018 11:19 AM, penm...@aol.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>> another meal. I don't light my oven for a 2 lb roast.
>>>>>
>>>> I don't have to "light" my oven.
>>>
>>> Sheldon is showing is Jewishness. There are many customs regarding
>>> lighting the oven, anybody just can't "turn it on" any time they
>>> want <gasp>.
>>>
>>> He can change his last name from Katz to Martin, but he's still 99%
>>> Jewish.
>>>

>> I don't actually care about any of that. I simply said I don't have to
>> light my electric oven.
>

> I don't actually care what kind of oven you have. I simply said
> it's a common phrase among Jews - regardless of the type of oven.
> Practically nobody these days actually "lights the oven". They
> "turn it on".
>
> I can play this game, too :-P
>
> -sw
>

Exactly what are the jewish customs and rituals related to lighting the
oven?

Any particular attire requited (big hats, beannie caps)? Kosher matches?
Special types of gas (fart gas maybe)? Religious stuff can be as
interesting as it is bizarre :)

[Hank Rogers]

Sqwertz wrote:
> On Thu, 24 May 2018 17:40:22 -0400, penm...@aol.com wrote:
>

>> My neighbor's kids are 5- 6 years old and
>> are milking goats... makes me jealous. LOL
>

> Why don't you just sneak over there after midnight, strip off all
> clothes, and milk those naughty goats while slapping yourself on the
> ass?
>
> -sw
>

I would really worry if old Popeye is anywhere near 5-6 year old children.

Good thing he is just lying again (no pic means it didn't happen).

[Julie Bove]

"Gary" <g.ma...@att.net> wrote in message news:5B06BDC5...@att.net...

> jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> On 5/23/2018 10:24 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
>> > On Wed, 23 May 2018 14:49:22 -0700, m...@privacy.net wrote:
>> >
>> >> http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-biz-kroger-home-chef-merger-20180523-story.html
>> >
>> > My grocery store has already started the same kinda thing. They cut
>> > the meat at their meat packing plant, vegetables from their coolers,
>> > and package everything up in a nice display box for sale in the meat
>> > department. Half the price of those meal delivery services.
>> >
>> I'm pretty sure Publix offers the same sort of thing. Ah yes, but this
>> is seafood:
>>
>> http://www.publix.com/products-services/seafood/fresh-seafood-cook-in-bag-dinners
>>

>> First, choose your fish... :)
>>
>> > All thjsoe meal delivery companies are hurting last I heard. I
>> > can't believe there's one that that's successful. It must be
>> > because of their Chicago-centric demographics. Just as ones
>> > concentrating on New York would probably be successful.
>> >
>> > -sw
>> >
>> I would think they'd have to be in heavily populated cities to make it
>> worth their while. These kits are for people who are (allegedly) rushed
>> for time.
>>
>> Jill
>

> I think those kits are silly and overpriced. If I was in a rush
> for time, I would just stock up with frozen dinners and there are
> many good ones available now.

Not me. Beans on a tortilla is much quicker and tastes better.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Thursday, May 24, 2018 at 8:54:39 PM UTC-5, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> > I think those kits are silly and overpriced. If I was in a rush
> > for time, I would just stock up with frozen dinners and there are
> > many good ones available now.
>
> Not me. Beans on a tortilla is much quicker and tastes better.
>
>

*Poooooot* You go Julie. (Far away.)

[U.S. Janet B.]

The woman across the street uses the service occasionally when her
husband is not in this country. He is a doctor with the National
Guard and has been deployed three times. They drive a pickup truck
and some sort of van. They live in a newer ranch-style house on a
nice sized lot. The wife has her own computer based business out of
the home. She has weekly house cleaning service and lawn care. They
are not rolling in dough. Fortunately she has a mother-in-law who can
watch the 3 kids As soon as the kids start going to school I am sure
she will have to use a nanny for some of the things she can't do while
maintaining her business. I'm told that in my area a large portion of
the people do not 'go' to work each day. They are working from home.
Being employed these days, staying employed requires different
adjustments and skills than back in the old days.
Janet US

[Jinx the Minx]

> Not my job to be judgemental but I will be. If you have a lifestyle
> that requires your kids to be raised by the hired help, you should not
> have them. Do the have to have that kinds of a lifestyle? No, it is
> their choice. They are putting material things ahead of family.
>
>

If you substituted the word “daycare” or “babysitter” for nanny would it
skew your opinion differently? Most parents nowadays have some form of
childcare, especially during those short before and after school hours
while parents work 8-5. I think the word nanny conjures up an image of
live-in help while mommy gets her nails done and shops the mall, but that
isn’t what having a nanny is all about these days. It’s just a fancy word
for scheduled babysitter. The days of two parent/single breadwinner
households are long over. It has little to do with materialism.

[Jinx the Minx]

U.S. Janet B. <J...@nospam.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 24 May 2018 12:32:51 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
> wrote:

>
>> On 5/24/2018 12:04 PM, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
>>> On Thursday, May 24, 2018 at 10:37:32 AM UTC-5, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>>>
>>>> some people are so time committed that they don't have time to plan
>>>> what you are talking about. I know several couples, they travel
>>>> almost constantly with work, have 2-3 kids, a dog, a nanny a
>>>> housekeeper and lawn care person. They moved here from the big city
>>>> to live a more relaxed life style. I can't imagine what their life
>>>> was like before. They claim they are living a slower pace now.
>>>> Janet US
>>>>
>>>>
>>> They have a housekeeper, a nanny, and a lawn care person and still
>>> can't put a meal on the table????
>>>

>> Why didn't they hire a cook?!
>>
>> Jill
> Perhaps they wanted to do as much as they could. I don't understand
> the negative reaction to people like this. I simply explained why
> some people would use a meal service from time to time. I live in a
> community full of busy people like this who want to retain as much
> family time as they can without the intrusion of live in help.
> Janet US
>

My stepdaughters use these meal kit delivery services often. First and
foremost, they are too busy studying (one in college, one in med school) to
put a lot of time and thought into shopping and meal planning. Secondly,
these services introduce them to different foods and menus they may not
have thought to try on their own—they like to experiment. Third, when time
is of the essence, it’s a whole lot healthier than other quick food
delivery options.

I know other parent friends that also use them. Single moms working
multiple jobs, with kids in various after school activities—it alleviates
the burden once in awhile. More power to them for juggling it all.

[Cindy Hamilton]

"A portion is the amount of food that you choose to eat for a meal or snack. It can be big or small, you decide.

A serving is a measured amount of food or drink, such as one slice of bread or one cup (eight ounces) of milk."

<https://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/educational/wecan/eat-right/distortion.htm>

Papa Bear eats three servings for his portion
Mama Bear eats two servings for her portion
Baby Bear eats one serving for his portion

Cindy Hamilton

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Thursday, May 24, 2018 at 8:01:11 PM UTC-4, Hank Rogers wrote:
> Sqwertz wrote:
> > On Thu, 24 May 2018 16:52:05 -0400, jmcquown wrote:
> >
> >> On 5/24/2018 3:53 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> >>> On Thu, 24 May 2018 11:50:01 -0400, jmcquown wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 5/24/2018 11:19 AM, penm...@aol.com wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>> another meal. I don't light my oven for a 2 lb roast.
> >>>>>
> >>>> I don't have to "light" my oven.
> >>>
> >>> Sheldon is showing is Jewishness. There are many customs regarding
> >>> lighting the oven, anybody just can't "turn it on" any time they
> >>> want <gasp>.
> >>>
> >>> He can change his last name from Katz to Martin, but he's still 99%
> >>> Jewish.
> >>>
> >> I don't actually care about any of that. I simply said I don't have to
> >> light my electric oven.
> >
> > I don't actually care what kind of oven you have. I simply said
> > it's a common phrase among Jews - regardless of the type of oven.
> > Practically nobody these days actually "lights the oven". They
> > "turn it on".
> >
> > I can play this game, too :-P
> >
> > -sw
> >
>
> Exactly what are the jewish customs and rituals related to lighting the
> oven?

Can't start a fire on the Sabbath. By extension, can't flip an electric
switch in case it makes a spark.

They make moveable covers for light switches so you can't accidentally
break the rules. I've got a couple so I don't, for example, accidentally
turn on the overhead light in the bedroom in the middle of the night
when I'm trying to turn the ceiling fan on. Both the light and the
fan have a decora switch, and it's easy to accidentally brush one when
aiming for the other, in the dark.

Cindy Hamilton

[Gary]

Cindy Hamilton wrote:

>
> Hank Rogers wrote:
> > Exactly what are the jewish customs and rituals related to lighting the
> > oven?
>
> Can't start a fire on the Sabbath. By extension, can't flip an electric
> switch in case it makes a spark.
>
> They make moveable covers for light switches so you can't accidentally
> break the rules. I've got a couple so I don't, for example, accidentally
> turn on the overhead light in the bedroom in the middle of the night
> when I'm trying to turn the ceiling fan on. Both the light and the
> fan have a decora switch, and it's easy to accidentally brush one when
> aiming for the other, in the dark.

Don't you modern jewish ppl see the silliness in all this?

I do believe in a God but not all this nonsense spouted by
various religions.

The Muslim dawn-to-dusk fasting during the month of Ramadan
really cracks me up. Heck, I do that all year long and they think
they are making some sacrifice? LOL!

[Gary]

> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >
> > Hank Rogers wrote:
> > > Exactly what are the jewish customs and rituals related to lighting the
> > > oven?
> >
> > Can't start a fire on the Sabbath. By extension, can't flip an electric
> > switch in case it makes a spark.

Do you also keep off your computer, unplug your fridge, use no
lights on the Sabbath? Heaven forbid you create a spark. WTH???
Why can you turn on your ceiling fan but not the light
accidently?

[Jinx the Minx]

The food stamp crowd doesn’t use grandmom—they get childcare subsidies to
enroll their kids at the best daycares in town. And even in a state as
welfare friendly as MN is, the minute you start working and earning money,
they reduce your food stamp benefits to almost nothing.

Even so, it’s splitting hairs to draw a distinction between parents that
use external daycare vs. daycare that comes to their home. It’s exactly
the same. And in many cases, that college “nanny” (in the olden days known
as a babysitter) that comes over after school is cheaper!!

[Jinx the Minx]

Those are exactly the ones with nannies and hired help now! I’m not sure
what the big deal is having someone mow the lawn for you once a week or
having a maid help out washing windows and mopping one day a week. Janet
isn’t speaking of homes with live-in or full time hired help. As a working
mother of a school aged child, I can tell you I’d much rather hire someone
for $20 an hour to do these tasks for me than to do them myself on my
measly two days off. I don’t hire people to do these tasks for me, but I
do pay for childcare. I don’t work because I am materialistic, but because
it’s pretty damn cold living outside without a roof over your head in
winter here. Work is a necessity. So is childcare. Please don’t confuse
the families Janet is speaking of with families of a bygone era or of
excessive wealth as depicted in movies and on TV.

[Jinx the Minx]

U.S. Janet B. <J...@nospam.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 24 May 2018 13:58:01 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
> wrote:

>
>> On 5/24/2018 1:10 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>> On Thu, 24 May 2018 12:32:51 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/24/2018 12:04 PM, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday, May 24, 2018 at 10:37:32 AM UTC-5, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> some people are so time committed that they don't have time to plan
>>>>>> what you are talking about. I know several couples, they travel
>>>>>> almost constantly with work, have 2-3 kids, a dog, a nanny a
>>>>>> housekeeper and lawn care person. They moved here from the big city
>>>>>> to live a more relaxed life style. I can't imagine what their life
>>>>>> was like before. They claim they are living a slower pace now.
>>>>>> Janet US
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> They have a housekeeper, a nanny, and a lawn care person and still
>>>>> can't put a meal on the table????
>>>>>
>>>> Why didn't they hire a cook?!
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>> Perhaps they wanted to do as much as they could. I don't understand
>>> the negative reaction to people like this. I simply explained why
>>> some people would use a meal service from time to time. I live in a
>>> community full of busy people like this who want to retain as much
>>> family time as they can without the intrusion of live in help.
>>> Janet US
>>>

>> They wanted to do as much as they could by hiring a housekeeper and a
>> nanny? Hands on. Sure. It sounds to me like s very posh lifestyle and
>> not like the parents want to be much involved with their children.

>>
>> Ordering a meal kit won't make the family be any closer. It's a
>> marketing image.
>>
>> Jill
>

> Weekly housecleaning help (I know there are women here who have that)
> and weekly lawn service (I know there are people here who have that)
> and someone to take and pick up the kids from school (that is a common
> thing these days, maybe grandma?). If I had used different words than
> nanny and housekeeper you would have been able to look around and find
> many couples around you (all of RFC) who do the same thing. The
> words nanny, housekeeper, lawn care are the words used in my community
> but apparently are trigger words for some folks here. Posh lifestyle?
> Not hardly.
> Janet US
>

I should have finished reading the thread before jumping in! What you said
here is exactly so!

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 5/25/2018 12:58 AM, Jinx the Minx wrote:

>>
>> Not my job to be judgemental but I will be. If you have a lifestyle
>> that requires your kids to be raised by the hired help, you should not
>> have them. Do the have to have that kinds of a lifestyle? No, it is
>> their choice. They are putting material things ahead of family.
>>
>>
>
> If you substituted the word “daycare” or “babysitter” for nanny would it
> skew your opinion differently? Most parents nowadays have some form of
> childcare, especially during those short before and after school hours
> while parents work 8-5. I think the word nanny conjures up an image of
> live-in help while mommy gets her nails done and shops the mall, but that
> isn’t what having a nanny is all about these days. It’s just a fancy word
> for scheduled babysitter. The days of two parent/single breadwinner
> households are long over. It has little to do with materialism.
>

Every situation is different and yes, changing the word (and definition)
would change my opinion is SOME cases. Nanny is thought of as different
from babysitter.

There are plenty of people with low to modest income that need two jobs
to survive. They often have a baby sitter, like grandmom, to help out.

My beef is the two high income families that put a fancy house and cars
on the top of the list at the expense of children. If you don't want to
take the time to raise them, you should not have them.

Look at two scenarios. One parent is a well paid person making 100K a
year. They have a modest house (1500 sq ft) 2 kids, a fairly new Ford
and maybe the 5 year old van. They eat well and the other parent is
home to take care of them, meet them at the door after school.

The other has one parent with the same income but the spouse is also
adding another 75k to the income. They have a 3,500 sq. ft home, a new
BMW and a 1 year old SUV. Since they both work, the kids go to daycare
to be warehoused to 5:30.

In the case of the second family, they are putting material things ahead
of the children. They want the bigger house and nicer cars so they both
work, but the reality is, they can survive with no problems on one
decent income.

[Ed Pawlowski]

As a kid, I never understood that is is taboo to eat a leftover hot dog
on Friday, but I could have the shrimp and lobster special. I was never
good at following organized religion rules.

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 5/25/2018 8:11 AM, Gary wrote:
>

> Why can you turn on your ceiling fan but not the light
> accidently?
>

It would certainly piss off my wife if she was sleeping.

[Gary]

LOL! Seriously, if I ever get married again, wife would probably
have to agree to separate bedrooms. Every night, my light stays
on so I can read on and off, my tv stays on (volume low and CC
on), bedroom fan stays on.

Best to have separate bedrooms and be mates during the daytime
hours.

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 5/25/2018 8:23 AM, Jinx the Minx wrote:

>
> Those are exactly the ones with nannies and hired help now! I’m not sure
> what the big deal is having someone mow the lawn for you once a week or
> having a maid help out washing windows and mopping one day a week. Janet
> isn’t speaking of homes with live-in or full time hired help. As a working
> mother of a school aged child, I can tell you I’d much rather hire someone
> for $20 an hour to do these tasks for me than to do them myself on my
> measly two days off. I don’t hire people to do these tasks for me, but I
> do pay for childcare. I don’t work because I am materialistic, but because
> it’s pretty damn cold living outside without a roof over your head in
> winter here. Work is a necessity. So is childcare. Please don’t confuse
> the families Janet is speaking of with families of a bygone era or of
> excessive wealth as depicted in movies and on TV.
>

I don't care if you have help with lawn care or cleaning if you can
afford it. See my other post with two different scenarios. I see many
situations where a family can do well with one modest, middle class
income but choose to have two so they can take nicer vacations, have a
boat, etc.

When we had kids, my wife stayed home. Others in our circle of friends
with similar incomes made the choice of working. They had better cars,
they took nice vacations, they had their children raised by strangers.
Our vacation was going to the beach for the day while they went
snorkeling in the Bahamas. It was a choice and for many, it is today.

That does not include single parents, low income families that really
have to work. Some do, but many don't.

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 5/25/2018 8:23 AM, Jinx the Minx wrote:

>

> The food stamp crowd doesn’t use grandmom—they get childcare subsidies to
> enroll their kids at the best daycares in town.

That's a shame. Grandmom is usually better than the best daycare.

> Even so, it’s splitting hairs to draw a distinction between parents that
> use external daycare vs. daycare that comes to their home. It’s exactly
> the same. And in many cases, that college “nanny” (in the olden days known
> as a babysitter) that comes over after school is cheaper!!
>

Son be it. My beef is when it is not needed. Every household is
different.

[Gary]

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> On 5/25/2018 8:23 AM, Jinx the Minx wrote:
>
> >
> > The food stamp crowd doesn’t use grandmom—they get childcare subsidies to
> > enroll their kids at the best daycares in town.
>
> That's a shame. Grandmom is usually better than the best daycare.

The year my daughter was age 12-13 she thought she could stay
alone while I worked but I didn't agree. I didn't want to leave
her alone at that age. Luckily, my mom and dad moved here for a
year and gramma took care of my daughter while I had to work.
Going to gramma's that summer while I worked didn't seem like a
babysitter to my daughter. It was perfect timing. Saved me lot's
of money too.

[Nancy Young]

On 5/25/2018 6:30 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Thursday, May 24, 2018 at 8:01:11 PM UTC-4, Hank Rogers wrote:

>> Exactly what are the jewish customs and rituals related to lighting the
>> oven?
>
> Can't start a fire on the Sabbath. By extension, can't flip an electric
> switch in case it makes a spark.

Hence the Sabbath setting you see on appliances.

In a town near me, the cops would go around turning on the lights
etc to get around the rules.

nancy

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Friday, May 25, 2018 at 8:02:48 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >
> > Hank Rogers wrote:
> > > Exactly what are the jewish customs and rituals related to lighting the
> > > oven?
> >
> > Can't start a fire on the Sabbath. By extension, can't flip an electric
> > switch in case it makes a spark.
> >
> > They make moveable covers for light switches so you can't accidentally
> > break the rules. I've got a couple so I don't, for example, accidentally
> > turn on the overhead light in the bedroom in the middle of the night
> > when I'm trying to turn the ceiling fan on. Both the light and the
> > fan have a decora switch, and it's easy to accidentally brush one when
> > aiming for the other, in the dark.
>
> Don't you modern jewish ppl see the silliness in all this?

I'm not Jewish. Never was.

> I do believe in a God but not all this nonsense spouted by
> various religions.
>
> The Muslim dawn-to-dusk fasting during the month of Ramadan
> really cracks me up. Heck, I do that all year long and they think
> they are making some sacrifice? LOL!

Do you drink water during the day? They don't.

Cindy Hamilton

[penm...@aol.com]

A ceiling fan in a bedroom would piss me off too... actually a fan in
any room blowing on me would piss me off. The only way a ceiling fan
wouldn't annoy me is if it operated in reverse rotation.
In our first house we didn't have A/C but we installed a large attic
fan in the hallway, it operated on exhaust mode only, cooled off the
entire house in the evening quickly but created no draft blowing on
us. Before we had the attic fan we had two window fans that also
operated on exhaust, no draft. Now with central air the only fans we
have is the exhaust fan over the stove and an oscilating pedestil fan
in the basement. We don't air condition the basement so in warm
weather it becomes humid so we have a dehumidifier, On very humid
days we turn on that fan to help the dehumidifier operate more
efficiently.
Often when people buy central air they allow the installer to talk
them into an over sized unit, a big mistake. The installer makes more
money because the larger unit costs more but then it doesn't run long
enough to remove the humidity... the house cools down quickly, then
the house is cool but dank. The more important job of any air
conditioner, even a window unit, is humidity removal, next is air
filtration, last is cooling rate.

[Cindy Hamilton]

It would piss me off if I did it to myself. I probably
wouldn't get back to sleep for an hour. That why I have
this:

<https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002WQ2UBM>

I also have one in the living room so my house cleaner can't fiddle
with the ceiling fan.

Cindy Hamilton

[Wayne Boatwright]

On Fri 25 May 2018 07:22:37a, Nancy Young told us...

The first electric range I bought had a a Sabbath setting. Until I
read the owner's maual I had no idea what it as for. AFAIC, it's
nothing more than a carryover from ancient times and serves
absolutely no practical prpose in modern times. There are rules in
almost every religion that make absolutely no sense today.

--

~~ If there's a nit to pick, some nitwit will pick it. ~~

~~ A mind is a terrible thing to lose. ~~

**********************************************************

Wayne Boatwright

[U.S. Janet B.]

On Fri, 25 May 2018 10:26:23 -0400, penm...@aol.com wrote:

>On Fri, 25 May 2018 09:05:22 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.net> wrote:
>
>>On 5/25/2018 8:11 AM, Gary wrote:
>>>
>>
>>> Why can you turn on your ceiling fan but not the light
>>> accidently?
>>
>>It would certainly piss off my wife if she was sleeping.
>
>A ceiling fan in a bedroom would piss me off too... actually a fan in
>any room blowing on me would piss me off. The only way a ceiling fan
>wouldn't annoy me is if it operated in reverse rotation.

They do operate in reverse rotation. That's what you do in the winter
to bring the heat down off the ceiling to the living area. We have a
fan directly over our bed. It isn't noticeable unless you rev it up
and then that is wonderful in the summer months.
Janet US

[Dave Smith]

On 2018-05-25 8:03 AM, Gary wrote:

> I do believe in a God but not all this nonsense spouted by
> various religions.
>
> The Muslim dawn-to-dusk fasting during the month of Ramadan
> really cracks me up. Heck, I do that all year long and they think
> they are making some sacrifice? LOL!

It's enough of a challenge for the many Muslims who live in the middle
east. It can be a real ordeal for those who have settled in northern
Canada and Alaska. I was in Sweden for Midsommer a few years ago. We
were directly west of Stockholm and if you follow their latitude west it
cuts through Canada north of the northern boundaries of the prairie
provinces and then to Anchorage. The sun ducked beneath the horizon a
little after midnight and was back up a few minutes later. Imagine what
it is like to spend a month of not being able to eat for 20 or more
hours per day.

[penm...@aol.com]

I'm pretty sure they are permitted water during fasting times for
medical reasons... they don't give up Rx meds, and no rule says you
can't take your pills with a pint of water. Once a year when I go for
blood work it's a fasting test, nothing from midnight... I try to get
an early morning appointment but not always possible, I hate having to
wait until noon without my morning coffee.

[U.S. Janet B.]

On Fri, 25 May 2018 14:37:53 -0000 (UTC), Wayne Boatwright
<waynebo...@xgmail.com> wrote:

>On Fri 25 May 2018 07:22:37a, Nancy Young told us...
>
>> On 5/25/2018 6:30 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On Thursday, May 24, 2018 at 8:01:11 PM UTC-4, Hank Rogers wrote:
>>
>>>> Exactly what are the jewish customs and rituals related to
>>>> lighting the oven?
>>>
>>> Can't start a fire on the Sabbath. By extension, can't flip an
>>> electric switch in case it makes a spark.
>>
>> Hence the Sabbath setting you see on appliances.
>>
>> In a town near me, the cops would go around turning on the lights
>> etc to get around the rules.
>>
>> nancy
>>
>
>The first electric range I bought had a a Sabbath setting. Until I
>read the owner's maual I had no idea what it as for. AFAIC, it's
>nothing more than a carryover from ancient times and serves
>absolutely no practical prpose in modern times. There are rules in
>almost every religion that make absolutely no sense today.

why do we have Veteran's Day, birthdays, etc? Why do some people get
tattoos with dates or names on them? Why do people put flowers on a
grave? All these things are acknowledgements or remembrance of
something that is important to the person/group. At least, that is
the way I look at it.
Janet US

[Cheri]

"Ed Pawlowski" <e...@snet.net> wrote in message
news:RpUNC.113583$np1....@fx06.iad...

> On 5/25/2018 8:23 AM, Jinx the Minx wrote:
>
>>

>> The food stamp crowd doesn’t use grandmom—they get childcare

>> subsidies to
>> enroll their kids at the best daycares in town.
>
> That's a shame. Grandmom is usually better than the best daycare.

Yeah, grandma raised her own kids without a lot of the modern conveniences
so she should take care of the grandchildren, usually for free in her later
years. A pox on that! I do know some grandmothers that are doing it, a
couple of them are happy about it, more than that are not happy about it but
feel that they have no choice.

Cheri

[Cheri]

"Cindy Hamilton" <angelica...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:f46d52b3-6360-4de0...@googlegroups.com...

And who is to say that someone elses religion is "nonsense." Pretty arrogant
statement.

Cheri

[U.S. Janet B.]

On Fri, 25 May 2018 09:10:15 -0700, "Cheri" <che...@newsguy.com>
wrote:

>"Ed Pawlowski" <e...@snet.net> wrote in message
>news:RpUNC.113583$np1....@fx06.iad...
>> On 5/25/2018 8:23 AM, Jinx the Minx wrote:
>>
>>>

>>> The food stamp crowd doesn’t use grandmom—they get childcare

>>> subsidies to
>>> enroll their kids at the best daycares in town.
>>
>> That's a shame. Grandmom is usually better than the best daycare.
>
>
>
>Yeah, grandma raised her own kids without a lot of the modern conveniences
>so she should take care of the grandchildren, usually for free in her later
>years. A pox on that! I do know some grandmothers that are doing it, a
>couple of them are happy about it, more than that are not happy about it but
>feel that they have no choice.
>
>Cheri

she should be paid somewhere between $15 and $20 per hour and 30 cents
per mile. That's the going rate for a nanny (i.e. babysitter) around
here. Then she could go for a mani and pedi after running around
after the grandkids.
Janet US

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Friday, May 25, 2018 at 10:37:57 AM UTC-4, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Fri 25 May 2018 07:22:37a, Nancy Young told us...
>
> > On 5/25/2018 6:30 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >> On Thursday, May 24, 2018 at 8:01:11 PM UTC-4, Hank Rogers wrote:
> >
> >>> Exactly what are the jewish customs and rituals related to
> >>> lighting the oven?
> >>
> >> Can't start a fire on the Sabbath. By extension, can't flip an
> >> electric switch in case it makes a spark.
> >
> > Hence the Sabbath setting you see on appliances.
> >
> > In a town near me, the cops would go around turning on the lights
> > etc to get around the rules.
> >
> > nancy
> >
>
> The first electric range I bought had a a Sabbath setting. Until I
> read the owner's maual I had no idea what it as for. AFAIC, it's
> nothing more than a carryover from ancient times and serves
> absolutely no practical prpose in modern times. There are rules in
> almost every religion that make absolutely no sense today.

My husband told me that a Muslim at his job said that if
you "tithe" extra during Ramadan, you don't have to observe
the entire fast. DH said, "Well, that's how you know it's
religion."

No idea whether the co-worker is correct.

Cindy Hamilton

[Cindy Hamilton]

Yes, there are exceptions for ill health and certain other
conditions.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fasting_during_Ramadan#Exceptions>

Cindy Hamilton

[Cheri]

"U.S. Janet B." <J...@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:qveggd5nd31p8kt9f...@4ax.com...

> On Fri, 25 May 2018 09:10:15 -0700, "Cheri" <che...@newsguy.com>
> wrote:
>
>>"Ed Pawlowski" <e...@snet.net> wrote in message
>>news:RpUNC.113583$np1....@fx06.iad...
>>> On 5/25/2018 8:23 AM, Jinx the Minx wrote:
>>>
>>>>

>>>> The food stamp crowd doesn’t use grandmom—they get childcare

>>>> subsidies to
>>>> enroll their kids at the best daycares in town.
>>>
>>> That's a shame. Grandmom is usually better than the best daycare.
>>
>>
>>
>>Yeah, grandma raised her own kids without a lot of the modern conveniences
>>so she should take care of the grandchildren, usually for free in her
>>later
>>years. A pox on that! I do know some grandmothers that are doing it, a
>>couple of them are happy about it, more than that are not happy about it
>>but
>>feel that they have no choice.
>>
>>Cheri
>
> she should be paid somewhere between $15 and $20 per hour and 30 cents
> per mile. That's the going rate for a nanny (i.e. babysitter) around
> here. Then she could go for a mani and pedi after running around
> after the grandkids.
> Janet US

LOL, that would be nice if it ever happened, but some of the grandmas I know
(my age) are onto their great grandchildren, it always makes me wonder when
one of them can't attend this or that luncheon or some other function
because of the childcare what their kids could be thinking. Just because
grandma doesn't have the the heart to say no in some cases, advantage is
taken, and BTW I don't know any of them that get paid.I was always, and
still am happy to take them for a weekend to give the parents a break, even
a week, but no way am I going to be a full time babysitter for the
grandchildren.

Cheri

[Wayne Boatwright]

On Fri 25 May 2018 08:24:05a, U.S. Janet B. told us...

And some are simply mandated by church "law", whether the people want
to do it or not. If it's seen merely as an obligation, then I don't
see that they're observing or celebrating anything.

I remember in particular from years ago I had an affluent Jewish
couple as clients who had two exactly the same two kitchens back to
back. The wife told me that the previous owners were very strict,
but they themselves only used both kitchens when they were
entertaining a group that happened include a few very strict friends.

[Wayne Boatwright]

On Fri 25 May 2018 08:16:13a, U.S. Janet B. told us...

Agreed.

[Wayne Boatwright]

On Fri 25 May 2018 08:18:51a, Dave Smith told us...

Utterly stupid, as with many religious mandates.

[Wayne Boatwright]

On Fri 25 May 2018 09:44:36a, U.S. Janet B. told us...

But how many do you think get even a penny?

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 5/25/2018 2:29 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:

>>>>
>>>> That's a shame. Grandmom is usually better than the best
>>>> daycare.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah, grandma raised her own kids without a lot of the modern
>>> conveniences so she should take care of the grandchildren, usually
>>> for free in her later years. A pox on that! I do know some
>>> grandmothers that are doing it, a couple of them are happy about
>>> it, more than that are not happy about it but feel that they have
>>> no choice.
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>
>> she should be paid somewhere between $15 and $20 per hour and 30
>> cents per mile. That's the going rate for a nanny (i.e.
>> babysitter) around here. Then she could go for a mani and pedi
>> after running around after the grandkids.
>> Janet US
>>
>
> But how many do you think get even a penny?
>

Probably less than the ones that do it because they want to. For some
it is a chore, for others it is a joy.

My wife did it at different times for different (6) grand kids. Now,
youngest 21, are all on their own but she still reaps the benefits of
time spent with them.

[Bruce]

On Fri, 25 May 2018 08:03:39 -0400, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:

>Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>> Hank Rogers wrote:
>> > Exactly what are the jewish customs and rituals related to lighting the
>> > oven?
>>
>> Can't start a fire on the Sabbath. By extension, can't flip an electric
>> switch in case it makes a spark.
>>

>> They make moveable covers for light switches so you can't accidentally
>> break the rules. I've got a couple so I don't, for example, accidentally
>> turn on the overhead light in the bedroom in the middle of the night
>> when I'm trying to turn the ceiling fan on. Both the light and the
>> fan have a decora switch, and it's easy to accidentally brush one when
>> aiming for the other, in the dark.
>
>Don't you modern jewish ppl see the silliness in all this?
>

>I do believe in a God but not all this nonsense spouted by
>various religions.
>
>The Muslim dawn-to-dusk fasting during the month of Ramadan
>really cracks me up. Heck, I do that all year long and they think
>they are making some sacrifice? LOL!

Muslim culture is around 300 years behind western culture, so you have
to give them some time.

[Bruce]

On Fri, 25 May 2018 09:14:04 -0700, "Cheri" <che...@newsguy.com>
wrote:

Are you saying that "To each their own" also applies to religion?
Can't we have an opinion about anything at all? That's hard!

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Friday, May 25, 2018 at 10:23:57 AM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>
> Once a year when I go for
> blood work it's a fasting test, nothing from midnight... I try to get
> an early morning appointment but not always possible, I hate having to
> wait until noon without my morning coffee.
>
>

I always ask for a morning appointment whether it's the doctor, dentist,
or optometrist. I want to get that over with and then the day is mine.
But, when I go for bloodwork coffee is not forbidden as long as I don't
use sugar.

[lucreti...@fl.it]

Don't know about that but my eldest grandson with whom I spent a lot
of time is very close, definite bond.