OT Cell Phones CAUSE Social Dysfunction!

[John Kuthe]

DUMP THEM NOW!!

John Kuthe, Climate Anarchist and Anti Cell Phone Mamby

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Saturday, June 8, 2019 at 10:33:41 PM UTC-4, John Kuthe wrote:
> DUMP THEM NOW!!
>
> John Kuthe, Climate Anarchist and Anti Cell Phone Mamby

I don't think so. I have no land line, and I only make or receive
a call on my cell at most once a week.

Cindy Hamilton

[lucreti...@fl.it]

I can't see how my cell phone causes more social dysfunction than your
landline - I assume you do have a 'phone and dumping mine would be
environmentally unfriendly since there is nothing wrong with it!

[Gary]

Hopefully, you got a good deal on that. Like maybe $1 per month.

[Cindy Hamilton]

I use the phone for other things. Alarm clock. Two-factor authentication
when logging in at work or at one of my banking websites. Solitaire
while standing in line. Reminder texts from my dentist. I got a text
from one of my credit cards when my number was breached.

Emergency alerts (although infrequent) from the county. I got one of
those in the middle of the night once, and got up to view a terrific
thunderstorm accompanied by a light show from a tree branch banging up
against a transformer on a pole in the neighbor's yard.

Cindy Hamilton

[lucreti...@fl.it]

We get those emergency alerts, I think they are great but some people
complain, seems unless it directly affects them it's no good. It came
up under an Amber Alert (missing child) I agreed with the province
that they felt a child could be moved a great distance quickly,
therefore they decided wider coverage was a good thing. It was a
parental thing and the child was found, unharmed thankfully.

[Dave Smith]

On 2019-06-09 9:42 a.m., lucreti...@fl.it wrote:

> We get those emergency alerts, I think they are great but some people
> complain, seems unless it directly affects them it's no good. It came
> up under an Amber Alert (missing child) I agreed with the province
> that they felt a child could be moved a great distance quickly,
> therefore they decided wider coverage was a good thing. It was a
> parental thing and the child was found, unharmed thankfully.
>

It has become a bit controversial here over the last couple months when
we had three Amber alerts. One was around 4 pm, so that wasn't too bad.
A mother reported that her ex husband had taken the girl from school
without permission. It turned out to be a crock and no charges were laid
against him for his actions or her for the public mischief. Then we had
one about 11:45 at night and another at about 5 am.

A number of people were pissed off and called 911 to complain. Then
there was the rants and public shaming about them abusing 911, and
worse, about how rotten them must be to complain about something that
could save a child's life. Those to Alerts woke up millions of people,
many of whom live hundreds of miles away. No one in their right mind
would expect them to get dressed and go out looking. The information
could have been sent in a text.

Some suggested that the complainers were idiots and that they could turn
their phones off at night. Screw that. Some peoples are on call. Some
use their phones as alarm clocks. The alert system is also for natural
disasters. I would like to know if there tornado heading my way or there
has been a nuclear accident and fallout is heading my way. I can do
something to save myself. I should not have to turn off my phone in
order not to get tangled up in some family dispute 500 miles away.

[Cindy Hamilton]

I think I don't get amber alerts. It would be pointless for me
to receive one. I don't look at children. They're just not
interesting.

Cindy Hamilton

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 6/9/2019 9:59 AM, Dave Smith wrote:

> Some suggested that the complainers were idiots and that they could turn
> their phones off at night. Screw that. Some peoples are on call. Some
> use their phones as alarm clocks. The alert system is also for natural
> disasters. I would like to know if there tornado heading my way or there
> has been a nuclear accident and fallout is heading my way. I can do
> something to save myself. I should not have to turn off my phone in
> order not to get tangled up in some family dispute 500 miles away.

How often does it happen? I get two or three a year and they have
always been during waking hours. If I got one in my life during the
night I'd not complain. I bet you would feel different if it was your
grandchild that was abducted too.

My Ring doorbell alerted at 12:33 AM when lightning flashes set it off.
I got to enjoy the storm.

[penm...@aol.com]

We have a land line, and it's practically free as part of the Verizon
package with the smart phone and computer. My wife prefers her smart
phone as it's portable, I like the land line because i son'r nwws to
chat while I'm off somewhere and the sound is superior with a land
line and it doesn't fade out... I detest when someone calls me from
their cell phone and it keeps breaking up due to lack of signal
especially when they are driving so I just hang up. If it's
important they will call back later. Most calls I get are from a
business that's using a land line; doctor's office, pharmacy, brick
and mortar stores, etc. I don't make a lot of calls nor do I receive
a lot of calls, some weeks I don't use the phone at all. What really
pisses me off is someone sending me lenghty emails several times in a
day, my typing is not nearly good enough to converse via email.... and
most often people's emails are not very specific so I'm not going to
waste my time and energy typing several emails for clarification.

[Dave Smith]

On 2019-06-09 9:59 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> I think I don't get amber alerts. It would be pointless for me
> to receive one. I don't look at children. They're just not
> interesting.
>

How'd you like to get one of those blaring alerts at 11:30 pm or 5:30am?
It's annoying. It's not like you are going to get up and go out looking
for the kid who is missing from some place a few hundred miles away.

[Dave Smith]

On 2019-06-09 10:12 a.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 6/9/2019 9:59 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> Some suggested that the complainers were idiots and that they could
>> turn their phones off at night. Screw that. Some peoples are on call.
>> Some use their phones as alarm clocks. The alert system is also for
>> natural disasters. I would like to know if there tornado heading my
>> way or there has been a nuclear accident and fallout is heading my
>> way. I can do something to save myself. I should not have to turn off
>> my phone in order not to get tangled up in some family dispute 500
>> miles away.
>
> How often does it happen?  I get two or three a year and they have
> always been during waking hours.  If I got one in my life during the
> night I'd not complain.

We had three in about a month. One was around 11:30pm and another at
5:30am. The early morning one was a mother who failed to return her
child to the grandmother who had custody. The late night one ended
tragically. They tried to say that the found the abductor because of the
Orange Alert. That's not exactly what happened. He was found in his car
suffering from self inflicted gunshot wounds and died. The daughter's
body was found back at the house. If they had done a proper search at
the beginning the alert would not have been needed.

>I bet you would feel different if it was your
> grandchild that was abducted too.

I don't think so. I don't object to the day time alerts. I would not
expect millions of people to be disturbed in the middle of the night. As
I pointed out, they aren't going to go out and look. They could have
sent texts without that loud blaring alert tone.>

> My Ring doorbell alerted at 12:33 AM when lightning flashes set it off.
> I got to enjoy the storm.

I have a dog. I usually get a personal notification on thunder and lighting.

[Ro...@home.now]

It's simple Dave.
Just order all the notification alert agencies that they are not to
bother you via your cell phone unless the alert specifically concerns
some danger to yourself.
Yes to tornado or nuclear fallout info but, do not bother you with
info on the little abducted kid that was last seen being driven down
the QEW towards St. Kitts.

[Roy]

On Saturday, June 8, 2019 at 8:33:41 PM UTC-6, John Kuthe wrote:
> DUMP THEM NOW!!
>
> John Kuthe, Climate Anarchist and Anti Cell Phone Mamby

IDIOT...go back to smoke signals.

[Cindy Hamilton]

5:30 would be fine. I wake up every day at 4.

But I take your point.

Cindy Hamilton

[Dave Smith]

If only it were that simple. We can't even select which types of alerts
we want to get. I think I preferred the old phone that was not
compatible with the alerts. And, FWIW... if an alert comes out in the
middle of the night that says that kid is headed in this direction, I am
still not going to go out looking for it.

[Nancy Young]

On 6/9/2019 11:49 AM, Dave Smith wrote:

> How'd you like to get one of those blaring alerts at 11:30 pm or 5:30am?
> It's annoying. It's not like you are going to get up and go out looking
> for the kid who is missing from some place a few hundred miles away.

My phone's Android, I turn it over to enable the shush feature so
the phone doesn't wake me up with random notifications.

nancy

[ZZyXX]

On 6/8/19 7:33 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
> DUMP THEM NOW!!
>
> John Kuthe, Climate Anarchist and Anti Cell Phone Mamby
>

so you're blaming your social dysfunction on a cell phone? you mother
would be proud of you

[dsi1]

Well, here's one alert that you definitely do not want to be receiving.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cb/2018_Hawaii_missile_alert.jpg

[Ophelia]

"Nancy Young" wrote in message news:KObLE.386105$g16.1...@fx26.fr7...

==
+1 :)

[lucreti...@fl.it]

On Sun, 9 Jun 2019 06:59:20 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton

I find it strange you wouldn't be interested in helping a child!

[lucreti...@fl.it]

On Sun, 9 Jun 2019 09:59:32 -0400, Dave Smith
<adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

Not surprised lol

[Cindy Hamilton]

What could I possibly do? Half the children I see in the grocery
store look like they're being abducted, simply because they're
badly raised and won't do what their parents tell them.

Cindy Hamilton

[graham]

We occasionally are warned that they will test the system on a certain
day and at a certain time. It didn't work for most the first time and I
haven't received any warnings on my smart phone in subsequent tests.

[Bruce]

Cindy only uses one half of her brain.

[Bruce]

On Sun, 9 Jun 2019 09:48:26 -0700 (PDT), Roy <wil...@outlook.com>
wrote:

Roy wakes up once every 2 weeks, posts something directed against John
Kuthe and goes back to sleep.

[lucreti...@fl.it]

I received those tests and some other alerts, I only have a common or
garden Samsung, nothing fancy.

[jmcquown]

Uh oh, Cindy, now you're asking for it! You don't pay attention to
children when you're out? You aren't on the lookout for a kid whose
face was on a milk carton? I see Amber Alerts on the crawler on TV from
time to time. (The resolution usually is a parental thing.) I would
never recognize a child because of an Amber alert. Like you, I don't
pay much attention to children.

Weather alerts are handy. I don't have a phone that sends them to me
but I see the weather alert crawlers on the TV screen. I don't mind
those even if they coverage is a bit wide and out of my area.

Jill

[jmcquown]

She likes to twist things. I know you didn't mean you don't care what
happens to abducted or missing children. But indeed, what could you do?
Are you supposed to peer at the face of every child you see when
you're out and compare it to what is on your phone? Just in case...
that's ludicrous.

Jill

[lucreti...@fl.it]

On Sun, 9 Jun 2019 20:51:09 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

So when you are out you never notice other people/children, your eyes
are blind to them? How very self-centred!

[Bruce]

lol

[Gary]

jmcquown wrote:
>
> You aren't on the lookout for a kid whose
> face was on a milk carton? I see Amber Alerts on the crawler on TV from
> time to time. (The resolution usually is a parental thing.) I would
> never recognize a child because of an Amber alert. Like you, I don't
> pay much attention to children.

A 10 year old boy was reported missing right in my neighborhood
probably 20 years ago. I didn't know about it but as I walked
outside I saw several police and many neighbors outside. I asked
a cop what was going on. He told me, missing boy.

Well, right on one side of our neighborhood was about 2-3 acres
of wooded area. There was a carpenter's shop back in there too. I
knew the carpenter and had worked there many times. I knew that
neighborhood kids always played in those woods and even swiped
scrap wood from the woodpile to build tree forts.

I said that to the cop and he asked me to show him where I was
talking about so I walked with him over there (only about 2
blocks away). Sure enough, there was the missing kid with a few
friends just playing in the woods. Problem solved. These days, I
would be named in the news as a hero. lol

I've also saved about 6 lives in the ocean. Never a "hero" those
times either. In all cases, I just happened to be the guy on the
scene. I never put my life at risk. Three fishermen, 2 little
girls, and a teenage boy caught in a rip current on a big wave
day.

Heroes, imo, are ones that actually put their own lives at risk
to save someone else. In all my cases, my life was never at
risk. I just happened to be there at the right time.

[lucreti...@fl.it]

Good on you! I don't feel it is any difficulty for me to pay
attention to an Amber Alert, register what the child looks like, the
memory will be triggered if you happened to see them.

[Cindy Hamilton]

Children all look pretty much the same to me. Since I never
had any, the fine distinctions between one little, round,
big-eyed face and another elude me.

Adults are much more distinctive, since the mileage of living
shows on their faces.

Cindy Hamilton

[Dave Smith]

On 2019-06-10 6:58 a.m., lucreti...@fl.it wrote:
> On Sun, 9 Jun 2019 20:51:09 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>

>> She likes to twist things. I know you didn't mean you don't care what
>> happens to abducted or missing children. But indeed, what could you do?
>> Are you supposed to peer at the face of every child you see when
>> you're out and compare it to what is on your phone? Just in case...
>> that's ludicrous.
>>
>> Jill
>
> So when you are out you never notice other people/children, your eyes
> are blind to them? How very self-centred!
>

Try not to be such an idiot.

[Dave Smith]

On 2019-06-10 8:03 a.m., Gary wrote:

> jmcquown wrote:

> A 10 year old boy was reported missing right in my neighborhood
> probably 20 years ago. I didn't know about it but as I walked
> outside I saw several police and many neighbors outside. I asked
> a cop what was going on. He told me, missing boy.
>
> Well, right on one side of our neighborhood was about 2-3 acres
> of wooded area. There was a carpenter's shop back in there too. I
> knew the carpenter and had worked there many times. I knew that
> neighborhood kids always played in those woods and even swiped
> scrap wood from the woodpile to build tree forts.
>
> I said that to the cop and he asked me to show him where I was
> talking about so I walked with him over there (only about 2
> blocks away). Sure enough, there was the missing kid with a few
> friends just playing in the woods. Problem solved. These days, I
> would be named in the news as a hero. lol

Lucky for you that the kid was okay. A lot of people have the good sense
to avoid getting involved. A unfortunate aspect to finding a body is
that you are likely to end up as a person of interest. They want to know
how you knew the body was there, how much time you spend watching those
kids......

[Dave Smith]

> Children all look pretty much the same to me. Since I never
> had any, the fine distinctions between one little, round,
> big-eyed face and another elude me.

I don't pay much attention to kids, certainly not enough that I am
likely to remember having seen a particular kid. I had to laugh on year
when my wife volunteered me to chaperone a class trip for one of the
teachers in her school. She was teaching in a farm community and they
were going to the Winter Fair.

My charge consisted of close to 30 kids, all white and most fair haired,
all wearing blue jeans and most in blue parkas. We got to the fair and
there are about 1,000 other kids, mostly in blue jeans and similar
jackets. Lucky for my one of the kids was a hyperactive kiss-up, so I
used him to run around keeping tabs on the others.

[Jinx the Minx]

Dave Smith <adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> On 2019-06-09 9:59 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>

>> I think I don't get amber alerts. It would be pointless for me
>> to receive one. I don't look at children. They're just not
>> interesting.
>>
>
>

> How'd you like to get one of those blaring alerts at 11:30 pm or 5:30am?
> It's annoying. It's not like you are going to get up and go out looking
> for the kid who is missing from some place a few hundred miles away.
>
>

I don’t think the point is to get you to go out looking for the kid, but
rather, to alert you if you see something strange going on, or see a
kid/kidnapper/car that matches that description. Pretty sure most
people/estranged parents that take kids take them out of the area. At a
“few hundred miles away”, that may put them in your area as you leave for
work in the morning, or run errands, etc. Maybe you’ll see that car while
fueling up at the gas station that morning, or at the stoplight next to
you. It doesn’t do the stolen child much good to alert the public only
during waking business hours. For as few times as it happens each year, is
it really that much of a nuisance? Have some compassion, man, it is
someone’s child, or grandchild. Maybe someday a relative of yours.

Furthermore, any dolt with half a brain cell should be able to figure out
that you can shut off Amber alerts on any cell phone so they are never seen
or heard at all. GIYF.

[Michael OConnor]

I won't ever have one of those smart phones that has internet and everything on it; those are every bit as addictive as crack and heroin. I have what I refer to as a dumb phone, one of those cheap flip phones that I buy a 30 dollar card for that pays for two months of service. In an average month I might make 2-3 calls, and I receive 2-3 calls, usually from doctors or from CVS telling me to pick up my prescriptions. We still have a land line, and the only reason we have that is because of the bundling of cable and internet that it is somehow cheaper to also get phone than not to get it, and the only calls we get is from telemarketers, which we ignore, and I guess it is handy to have for an emergency.

Everybody I know who has one of those smart phones, they cannot go more than two minutes without picking them up. This was most annoying when I was in the business sector, and I would walk past people's cubes, and half of them would be on their phones. Checking Facebook or Twitter, texting somebody, reading a text, looking at pictures, sending emails; at a guess, I would estimate people with smart phones spend about at least one hour of their work day on their cell phones.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Monday, June 10, 2019 at 10:46:09 AM UTC-5, Michael OConnor wrote:
>
> I won't ever have one of those smart phones that has internet and everything on it; those are every bit as addictive as crack and heroin. I have what I refer to as a dumb phone, one of those cheap flip phones that I buy a 30 dollar card for that pays for two months of service.
>

Get one of the one year service cards and be done with it until next year.

>
> Everybody I know who has one of those smart phones, they cannot go more than two minutes without picking them up.
>

I have a smart phone and it's turned on once or twice a month. But I agree,
it is annoying and I would venture to say that 50% of the fender benders
around here are due to the driver has his/her nose stuck on their screen
and not paying attention.

I see you sitting next to me with your head bowed and looking down while we
are waiting at a red light. No, you are not praying or meditating; you're playing on your phone. You jerk back to reality when the car behind you
toots their horn so you will go when the light turns green and has been
green for several seconds.

[penm...@aol.com]

Um, noticing and examining are two very different things. I notice
people but I don't compare them to mugshots. And often the picture of
a six year old was taken at least a year prior... kid doesn't look
like that anymore. And if someone went about staring at little kids
on the street it's likely someone would call the cops.
When I'm out and about I don't look at little kids but I'll definitely
check out their mommies.
I don't think it's any of my business to look for lost kids unless
it's a kid I know and see often like a neighbor's kid. I'm not going
to concern myself with a lost kid from many miles away. Actually
living here I rarely see any kids, it's very rural here and mostly
older and retired people live on this road and their kids are grown
and live elsewhere. The only time I see any kids is when I go into
town to shop and I see very young hids in a car seat strapped into the
shopping cart being pushed by who I'll assume is their mommy... and I
know why the hot young chick is a mommy. Nowadays mommies don't shop
with their toddlers, those are mostly in day care and mommy has a JOB.
I very rarely see young women grocery shopping, it's mostly seniors
shopping, the only young women in the store are a few operating a
check out register. Most of the checkers here are middle aged guys.
Much of the population here is operating a family farm, from the time
their kids can walk they have chores... chores before school and after
school chores... it's not uncommon here to see 5-6 year olds driving
tractors, plowing fields. baling hay etc. At 2 years old they can work
in the vegetable garden pulling weeds and picking crops. At 3 years
old they're tending livestock.

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Monday, June 10, 2019 at 11:46:09 AM UTC-4, Michael OConnor wrote:
> I won't ever have one of those smart phones that has internet and everything on it; those are every bit as addictive as crack and heroin.

Only if you allow yourself to become addicted. I have all that
stuff available on my phone, but I never use it.

Cindy Hamilton

[U.S. Janet B.]

Two things come to mind:
1. You are obviously a very weak-willed person
2. You should pick a better class of friends

[lucreti...@fl.it]

Once again, well done Gary!

[lucreti...@fl.it]

On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 14:39:25 -0000 (UTC), Jinx the Minx
<jinx...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Dave Smith <adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>> On 2019-06-09 9:59 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>>> I think I don't get amber alerts. It would be pointless for me
>>> to receive one. I don't look at children. They're just not
>>> interesting.
>>>
>>
>>
>> How'd you like to get one of those blaring alerts at 11:30 pm or 5:30am?
>> It's annoying. It's not like you are going to get up and go out looking
>> for the kid who is missing from some place a few hundred miles away.
>>
>>
>
>I don’t think the point is to get you to go out looking for the kid, but
>rather, to alert you if you see something strange going on, or see a
>kid/kidnapper/car that matches that description. Pretty sure most
>people/estranged parents that take kids take them out of the area. At a
>“few hundred miles away”, that may put them in your area as you leave for
>work in the morning, or run errands, etc. Maybe you’ll see that car while
>fueling up at the gas station that morning, or at the stoplight next to
>you. It doesn’t do the stolen child much good to alert the public only
>during waking business hours. For as few times as it happens each year, is
>it really that much of a nuisance? Have some compassion, man, it is
>someone’s child, or grandchild. Maybe someday a relative of yours.

You're wasting your typing time - he is totally egocentric :)

[lucreti...@fl.it]

On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 08:46:05 -0700 (PDT), Michael OConnor
<mpoco...@aol.com> wrote:

I have a smart phone since they came out, it is a PHONE that is all, I
am not glued to it.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

APPLAUSE!

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Monday, June 10, 2019 at 2:00:02 PM UTC-5, lucreti...@fl.it wrote:
>
> I have a smart phone since they came out, it is a PHONE that is all, I
> am not glued to it.
>

Again, APPLAUSE!

[jmcquown]

I think lucretia is being purposefully obtuse.

Jill

[lucreti...@fl.it]

On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 16:08:37 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

I hope thinking isn't hurting you! I still don't understand how if
you saw an Amber Alert and then happened to see that child, you
wouldn't notice that. See picture, see child, put two and two
together!

[Bruce]

On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 06:02:54 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton

You don't have to have children to see the differences.

[Cindy Hamilton]

Thanks for deleting the rest of my post:

> >Adults are much more distinctive, since the mileage of living
> >shows on their faces.

Kids really all do look about the same to me. If you lined
up 10 brown-haired Caucasian five-year-olds and told me their
names, I doubt I'd remember a single name/face match.

Cindy Hamilton

[Bruce]

On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 13:48:33 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton

I believe you when you say you wouldn't remember their names, but you
would be very able to tell them apart, if the weren't Asian (duck).

[Dave Smith]

On 2019-06-10 10:39 a.m., Jinx the Minx wrote:
> Dave Smith <adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>> How'd you like to get one of those blaring alerts at 11:30 pm or 5:30am?
>> It's annoying. It's not like you are going to get up and go out looking
>> for the kid who is missing from some place a few hundred miles away.
>>
>>
>
> I don’t think the point is to get you to go out looking for the kid, but
> rather, to alert you if you see something strange going on, or see a
> kid/kidnapper/car that matches that description.

I don't see the point of waking people up to do that. Information like
that can be sent by text with the normal notification tone.

> you. It doesn’t do the stolen child much good to alert the public only
> during waking business hours.

You lost me there. It doesn't do the child much good to wake up millions
of people who aren't going to do anything more than grumble about it or
to bad themselves on the back for being a kind and caring person and
then do nothing about it.

>For as few times as it happens each year, is
> it really that much of a nuisance? Have some compassion, man, it is
> someone’s child, or grandchild. Maybe someday a relative of yours.

The reason it became an issue here is that there were three of them in
about a month, one at 5:30 am and another at 11:30 pm, times when most
people would be in bed, and times when children would be rudely awaken
by an alarm tone that overrides normal volume controls.

>
> Furthermore, any dolt with half a brain cell should be able to figure out
> that you can shut off Amber alerts on any cell phone so they are never seen
> or heard at all. GIYF.

How about the dolts that don't realize they cannot be?

[Hank Rogers]

And at 12 years old, they are screwing their aunts ... at 20 years
old, they hump their mother-in-law. Right Popeye?

[GM]

Children are best *not* seen and *not* heard IMNSHO, Luzcrezia...

--
Best
Greg

[GM]

Kidz these daze mature AWFULLY early, Hank...frex one of the required books on the Chicago Public School's fifth - grade reading list is entitled "My First Orgazm"...and now at "show and tell" the goils will show 'n tell that they're preggers and a well - endowed lad might just pull out his gigantic boner for the class to gawp at...

--
Best
Greg

[Dave Smith]

She never even bothers to provide a reasoned argument. If you disagree
with her point of view she simply insults. In this case she has failed
to post anything that would justify waking up 10 million people in the
middle of the night. Apparently this these alerts provide essential
information for those who are rudely awakened. They can either ignore
the blaring tone or they can go and check the details of the alert and
then go back to sleep and forget about them.Then they wake up with a
sore arm from patting themselves on the back for being so kind and
caring, even though they did absolutely nothing to help.

[jmcquown]

The only time I ever did look different from any other kid in a crowd
was when we lived in Bangkok. The Thai people weren't used to seeing a
tow-headed girl. I remember walking down the street to a movie theater
to see Franco Zefferelli's 'Romeo & Juliet' with my parents and my
brothers. I was looking forward to it. I suspect my brothers hated to
be dragged along.

It was interesting to note the reaction of the Asian people to my
natural very light blonde hair. It felt odd to be noticed but I
understood why. Looking around, no one else had my hair colour, either.

Now let's put me in that same time in a US city. Walking to the movies
with my family. I'd have blended in with any other child. I doubt I'd
have been particularly noticeable.

Jill

[dsi1]

On Monday, June 10, 2019 at 5:46:09 AM UTC-10, Michael OConnor wrote:
> I won't ever have one of those smart phones that has internet and everything on it; those are every bit as addictive as crack and heroin. I have what I refer to as a dumb phone, one of those cheap flip phones that I buy a 30 dollar card for that pays for two months of service. In an average month I might make 2-3 calls, and I receive 2-3 calls, usually from doctors or from CVS telling me to pick up my prescriptions. We still have a land line, and the only reason we have that is because of the bundling of cable and internet that it is somehow cheaper to also get phone than not to get it, and the only calls we get is from telemarketers, which we ignore, and I guess it is handy to have for an emergency.
>
> Everybody I know who has one of those smart phones, they cannot go more than two minutes without picking them up. This was most annoying when I was in the business sector, and I would walk past people's cubes, and half of them would be on their phones. Checking Facebook or Twitter, texting somebody, reading a text, looking at pictures, sending emails; at a guess, I would estimate people with smart phones spend about at least one hour of their work day on their cell phones.

Unfortunately, Steve Jobs is already dead so we can't shackle him and make him pay for his crimes against humanity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnrJzXM7a6o

[dsi1]

On Monday, June 10, 2019 at 3:30:33 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> Lucky for you that the kid was okay. A lot of people have the good sense
> to avoid getting involved. A unfortunate aspect to finding a body is
> that you are likely to end up as a person of interest. They want to know
> how you knew the body was there, how much time you spend watching those
> kids......

That self-interests sure do get in the way of doing the right thing, don't it?

[dsi1]

On Saturday, June 8, 2019 at 4:33:41 PM UTC-10, John Kuthe wrote:
> DUMP THEM NOW!!
>
> John Kuthe, Climate Anarchist and Anti Cell Phone Mamby

My sister-in-law used to work at Sony and United Airlines - at the same time! The cell phone made it possible for her to do her job anywhere in the world. Well, that and her Sony VIAO and wireless data connection. These days she's retired so she uses her phones to yak and text to my wife. :)

[dsi1]

The rest of the post is there. Just click on the "show quoted text" line.

[lucreti...@fl.it]

Reasoned argument? Like you do that always!

I still say, I do not mind being disturbed by these alerts, I am
thankful it is not my child for whom they are searching. If there is
a picture, yes, I am so sorry for the parents I will try to spot the
child if I am anywhere near the area. I fail to see what you find
wrong with that, but I do understand from all your posts you are
totally wrapped up in yourself and NO! of course they shouldn't
disturb YOU because some kid is missing or in danger!!!

[U.S. Janet B.]

On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 17:04:10 -0400, Dave Smith snip

>
>You lost me there. It doesn't do the child much good to wake up millions
>of people who aren't going to do anything more than grumble about it or
>to bad themselves on the back for being a kind and caring person and
>then do nothing about it.
>

snip
that same warning system will alert you to an armed and dangerous
person, tornados, hurricanes, flash flood warning, range or forest
fire etc., Maybe none of those things will be right in your
neighborhood but that warning system is an efficient way to get the
alert out to everyone that may potentially be impacted.
You don't have to know the child or remember what the child looked
like. Maybe you just see something a little hinky that makes you
slightly uncomfortable. You take note and maybe you think you should
call someone. That's all that is wanted. Just a little heightened
awareness.
Janet US

[lucreti...@fl.it]

On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 17:15:21 -0600, U.S. Janet B. <J...@nospam.com>
wrote:

It seems so simple to us Janet :(

[Dave Smith]

On 2019-06-10 7:07 p.m., lucreti...@fl.it wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 18:02:12 -0400, Dave Smith
> <adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>>> I think lucretia is being purposefully obtuse.
>>
>> She never even bothers to provide a reasoned argument. If you disagree
>> with her point of view she simply insults. In this case she has failed
>> to post anything that would justify waking up 10 million people in the
>> middle of the night. Apparently this these alerts provide essential
>> information for those who are rudely awakened. They can either ignore
>> the blaring tone or they can go and check the details of the alert and
>> then go back to sleep and forget about them.Then they wake up with a
>> sore arm from patting themselves on the back for being so kind and
>> caring, even though they did absolutely nothing to help.
>
> Reasoned argument? Like you do that always!
>
> I still say, I do not mind being disturbed by these alerts, I am
> thankful it is not my child for whom they are searching. If there is
> a picture, yes, I am so sorry for the parents I will try to spot the
> child if I am anywhere near the area.

But.... you still aren't going to get up and get dressed and go out
looking for the missing child. You'll pat yourself on the back for
having had a moment of sympathy and then you will go back to sleep with
a good conscience.

> I fail to see what you find
> wrong with that, but I do understand from all your posts you are
> totally wrapped up in yourself and NO! of course they shouldn't
> disturb YOU because some kid is missing or in danger!!!
>

The thing is that what I had initially objected it to was the public
shaming of the people who complained to 911. While I agreed that calling
911 to complain was inappropriate I was annoyed at the self righteous
indignation expressed by the people who condemned the complainers for a
lack of compassion but you, like you, did nothing to help look for the
child.

[Dave Smith]

On 2019-06-10 7:15 p.m., U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 17:04:10 -0400, Dave Smith snip
>>
>> You lost me there. It doesn't do the child much good to wake up millions
>> of people who aren't going to do anything more than grumble about it or
>> to bad themselves on the back for being a kind and caring person and
>> then do nothing about it.
>>
> snip
> that same warning system will alert you to an armed and dangerous
> person, tornados, hurricanes, flash flood warning, range or forest
> fire etc., Maybe none of those things will be right in your
> neighborhood but that warning system is an efficient way to get the
> alert out to everyone that may potentially be impacted.

Yes, I would like to get some of those alerts. A warning about tornado,
flash floods, nuclear accident, forest fires that may impact me would be
a great idea. That is why I objected to the suggestion that people
should turn their phones off if they don't want to get the Amber Alerts.

> You don't have to know the child or remember what the child looked
> like. Maybe you just see something a little hinky that makes you
> slightly uncomfortable. You take note and maybe you think you should
> call someone. That's all that is wanted. Just a little heightened
> awareness.

The last time we reported something hinky involving a child we got the
license number and description of the adults and called the police. The
cops acted on it and got back to us in less than an hour. They had
located the parties. It was just a really badly behaved kid throwing a
tantrum.

[U.S. Janet B.]

but it could have been something else. Oh, it doesn't have to be
something hinky with a child. There's a lot of human trafficking and
abduction. thank you for taking the time to report

[Jinx the Minx]

Educate me — tell me what phone you have that you can’t turn off Amber
alerts.

[Dave Smith]

https://forums.fido.ca/t5/Fido-Community-Blog/Alert-Ready-Emergency-Message-Service/ba-p/129587

[Jinx the Minx]

Well I guess in this case it sucks to be Canadian. Maybe the USA isn’t so
bad after all.

[Bruce]

On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 05:17:34 -0000 (UTC), Jinx the Minx
<jinx...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Dave Smith <adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>> On 2019-06-10 10:59 p.m., Jinx the Minx wrote:
>>> Dave Smith <adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>>> Furthermore, any dolt with half a brain cell should be able to figure out
>>>>> that you can shut off Amber alerts on any cell phone so they are never seen
>>>>> or heard at all. GIYF.
>>>>
>>>> How about the dolts that don't realize they cannot be?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Educate me — tell me what phone you have that you can’t turn off Amber
>>> alerts.
>>>
>>
>> https://forums.fido.ca/t5/Fido-Community-Blog/Alert-Ready-Emergency-Message-Service/ba-p/129587
>>
>
>Well I guess in this case it sucks to be Canadian. Maybe the USA isn’t so
>bad after all.

Is there a difference apart from oot?

[lucreti...@fl.it]

On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 21:37:30 -0400, Dave Smith

Trying to twist everything as usual - no, I didn't go out to look for
a child in Ontario but I also didn't resent that my phone buzzed. I
am not suggesting it makes people go out and look but that it gives
you pause for thought if you do see the child, it also more
importantly, makes it much more difficult for the kidnapper.

[Cindy Hamilton]

No, I probably wouldn't. Kids are pretty much all formless blobs to
me.

Cindy Hamilton

[Bruce]

On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 03:16:17 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton

I don't believe you're THAT autistic. You're exaggerating.

[Gary]

Cindy Hamilton wrote:

>
> Bruce wrote:
> > I believe you when you say you wouldn't remember their names, but you

> > would be very able to tell them apart, if they weren't Asian (duck).

>
> No, I probably wouldn't. Kids are pretty much all formless blobs to
> me.

Same thing with possums. Damn things all look the same.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-7TiTMzouidI/UWJnnvNW9TI/AAAAAAAACvA/82fNAUb7fUk/s1600/Wild-Opossum.jpg

;-D

[Janet]

In article <b6e4d433-71de-4a3e...@googlegroups.com>,
angelica...@yahoo.com says...

I feel just the same way about cars, bikes, phones and sports
footwear.

Janet UK

[Cindy Hamilton]

There's only one way to test it, but I doubt I'll get a lot
of cooperation from the parents.

Of course, the kids would have to be dressed similarly, or
I'd be able to go "the one in the red shirt, the one in the
pink sneakers", etc.

Cindy H amilton

[Gary]

Dave Smith wrote:
>
> Gary wrote:
> > I said that to the cop and he asked me to show him where I was
> > talking about so I walked with him over there (only about 2
> > blocks away). Sure enough, there was the missing kid with a few
> > friends just playing in the woods. Problem solved. These days, I
> > would be named in the news as a hero. lol

>
> Lucky for you that the kid was okay. A lot of people have the good sense
> to avoid getting involved.

Good sense? With a missing child? What's wrong with you, Dave?
I knew about neighborhood kids playing in those woods.
I ended the search right away and he was fine.

If that kid would have been abducted or killed, everyone in my
neighborhood would have been suspect.

[Gary]

Dave Smith wrote:
>
> On 2019-06-10 4:08 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
> > On 6/10/2019 9:22 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> >> On 2019-06-10 6:58 a.m., lucreti...@fl.it wrote:
> >>> On Sun, 9 Jun 2019 20:51:09 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
> >>

> >>>> She likes to twist things. I know you didn't mean you don't care what
> >>>> happens to abducted or missing children. But indeed, what could you
> >>>> do?
> >>>> Â Are you supposed to peer at the face of every child you see when
> >>>> you're out and compare it to what is on your phone? Just in case...

> >>>> that's ludicrous.
> >>>>
> >>>> Jill
> >>>
> >>> So when you are out you never notice other people/children, your eyes

> >>> are blind to them? How very self-centred!

> >>>
> >>
> >> Try not to be such an idiot.
> >
> > I think lucretia is being purposefully obtuse.
>
> She never even bothers to provide a reasoned argument. If you disagree
> with her point of view she simply insults. In this case she has failed
> to post anything that would justify waking up 10 million people in the
> middle of the night. Apparently this these alerts provide essential
> information for those who are rudely awakened. They can either ignore
> the blaring tone or they can go and check the details of the alert and
> then go back to sleep and forget about them.Then they wake up with a
> sore arm from patting themselves on the back for being so kind and
> caring, even though they did absolutely nothing to help.

Selfish idiot. Waking up 10 million people (that leave their
phones on at night) is worth all the trouble. The other people
still awake might see these people and know to call in an alert.
When some child goes missing, best chance to find them is very
quickly, not hours later.

So sorry to disturb your sleep. Just turn your phone off while
sleeping. Meanwhile people still awake might actually spot those
people before they disappear.

[Gary]

Well said, JanetUS.

[Dave Smith]

Given the current administration is it something we will live with.
However, it was annoying to have fellow Canadians casting similar
aspersions on people they claimed could simply turn off the alert, or
that they should simply turn off their phones. Well, that doesn't work
for people who are on call or who use their phones for alarm clocks,or
for those who would want to be alerted about a tornado or other disaster
that is headed their way.

[Dave Smith]

Yes, that one did. The kid was okay. If the kid had been found dead or
abused, you would be a person of interest. That is why so many people
refuse to get involved.
>

[Dave Smith]

On 2019-06-11 9:53 a.m., Gary wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
>>

>> She never even bothers to provide a reasoned argument. If you disagree
>> with her point of view she simply insults. In this case she has failed
>> to post anything that would justify waking up 10 million people in the
>> middle of the night. Apparently this these alerts provide essential
>> information for those who are rudely awakened. They can either ignore
>> the blaring tone or they can go and check the details of the alert and
>> then go back to sleep and forget about them.Then they wake up with a
>> sore arm from patting themselves on the back for being so kind and
>> caring, even though they did absolutely nothing to help.
>
> Selfish idiot. Waking up 10 million people (that leave their
> phones on at night) is worth all the trouble.

Bullshit. The selfishness is in the people who think that their
situation justifies disrupting the sleep of 10 million other people who
have nothing to do with the situation, many of whom are hundreds of
miles away.

>The other people
> still awake might see these people and know to call in an alert.
> When some child goes missing, best chance to find them is very
> quickly, not hours later.
>

If they are still awake a text message with the standard notification
tone would get them the information.

> So sorry to disturb your sleep. Just turn your phone off while
> sleeping. Meanwhile people still awake might actually spot those
> people before they disappear.

That idiotic suggestion ranks up there with people having to unplug
their phones or not answer calls because it might be a sales pitch.

[jmcquown]

What it all *really* goes back to is people having smartphones that have
all these alert features. Don't you have to subscribe to/activate these
apps or do they come automatically with the phone and the provider?
Surely there's a way to select different types of alerts. Weather
alerts only, for example.

Fortunately my life isn't that complicated. :)

Jill

[Jinx the Minx]

If you’re lucky, maybe they’ll stratify their warning system to
differentiate between amber alerts and weather alerts, and give citizens
the option of opting out since the technology is built into the phones
themselves. Here we can turn off notifications for Amber or weather, just
not “presidential” alerts, whatever the hell those are. Since that
notification feature is built into modern cell phones now, I’d be curious
to know if any Canadians have changed their default settings to turn the
notifications off, and if they still get alerted. Or if Americans traveling
over the border also get alerted, since they’re in your territory.

[Jinx the Minx]

In the US, yes, but apparently the Canadian government took that right to
opt out away from its citizens.

[dsi1]

Mother knows best. :)

[lucreti...@fl.it]

I could turn them off, but don't. Like Dave, I am retired, if
occasionally an Amber Alert comes through I think of the parents and
their desperation and understand.

[Bruce]

Dave doesn't care. Dave's in love with Dave. Nobody else is important.
They're not Dave.

[Jinx the Minx]

As the parent of an elementary school aged child, I appreciate that!

[lucreti...@fl.it]

On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 21:26:35 -0000 (UTC), Jinx the Minx

<jinx...@yahoo.com> wrote:

><lucreti...@fl.it> wrote:
>> On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 16:01:07 -0000 (UTC), Jinx the Minx
>> <jinx...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Dave Smith <adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>>> On 2019-06-11 1:17 a.m., Jinx the Minx wrote:
>>>>> Dave Smith <adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2019-06-10 10:59 p.m., Jinx the Minx wrote:
>>>>

>>>>>>> Educate me ? tell me what phone you have that you can?t turn off Amber
>>>>>>> alerts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://forums.fido.ca/t5/Fido-Community-Blog/Alert-Ready-Emergency-Message-Service/ba-p/129587
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Well I guess in this case it sucks to be Canadian. Maybe the USA isn?t so

>>>>> bad after all.
>>>>
>>>> Given the current administration is it something we will live with.
>>>> However, it was annoying to have fellow Canadians casting similar
>>>> aspersions on people they claimed could simply turn off the alert, or
>>>> that they should simply turn off their phones. Well, that doesn't work
>>>> for people who are on call or who use their phones for alarm clocks,or
>>>> for those who would want to be alerted about a tornado or other disaster
>>>> that is headed their way.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>

>>> If you?re lucky, maybe they?ll stratify their warning system to

>>> differentiate between amber alerts and weather alerts, and give citizens
>>> the option of opting out since the technology is built into the phones
>>> themselves. Here we can turn off notifications for Amber or weather, just

>>> not ?presidential? alerts, whatever the hell those are. Since that
>>> notification feature is built into modern cell phones now, I?d be curious

>>> to know if any Canadians have changed their default settings to turn the
>>> notifications off, and if they still get alerted. Or if Americans traveling

>>> over the border also get alerted, since they?re in your territory.

>>
>> I could turn them off, but don't. Like Dave, I am retired, if
>> occasionally an Amber Alert comes through I think of the parents and
>> their desperation and understand.
>>
>
>As the parent of an elementary school aged child, I appreciate that!

lol - as a greatgrandmother of one starting university in the fall, it
isn't difficult. I think your name is familiar from the needlework
group??

[Bruce]

If that one keeps up the family tradition, you'll be a
greatgreatgrandmother next year.

[Michael OConnor]

> >I won't ever have one of those smart phones that has internet and everything on it; those are every bit as addictive as crack and heroin. I have what I refer to as a dumb phone, one of those cheap flip phones that I buy a 30 dollar card for that pays for two months of service. In an average month I might make 2-3 calls, and I receive 2-3 calls, usually from doctors or from CVS telling me to pick up my prescriptions. We still have a land line, and the only reason we have that is because of the bundling of cable and internet that it is somehow cheaper to also get phone than not to get it, and the only calls we get is from telemarketers, which we ignore, and I guess it is handy to have for an emergency.
> >
> >Everybody I know who has one of those smart phones, they cannot go more than two minutes without picking them up. This was most annoying when I was in the business sector, and I would walk past people's cubes, and half of them would be on their phones. Checking Facebook or Twitter, texting somebody, reading a text, looking at pictures, sending emails; at a guess, I would estimate people with smart phones spend about at least one hour of their work day on their cell phones.
>
> Two things come to mind:
> 1. You are obviously a very weak-willed person
> 2. You should pick a better class of friends

1 - I have a life, I don't have to live it chained to a damn smart phone.
2 - I got your message - I need to find another forum to hang out in from now on.

[Jinx the Minx]

Yes, that’s me! :-)

[dsi1]

Many old folks develop a sort of stasis of their brain. The brain just locks up and won't change or adapt to new conditions. Hopefully, we'll develop a drug that opens up the clogged neural-pathways so mankind will no longer have to listen to old guys complain about today's world/the kids today/pop music. :)

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 6/11/2019 10:43 PM, dsi1 wrote:

> Many old folks develop a sort of stasis of their brain. The brain just locks up and won't change or adapt to new conditions. Hopefully, we'll develop a drug that opens up the clogged neural-pathways so mankind will no longer have to listen to old guys complain about today's world/the kids today/pop music. :)
>

I can easily adapt to many new things so I don't need the drug for that.

As for today's pop music, I don't complain about it but I certainly
don't find anything worth listening to. Despise rap, dislike most all
heavy metal. My neural pathways cannot handle it.

I listen to music a couple of hours most nights and vary classical,
blues, jazz, big bands, but none of the above.

[Dave Smith]

But.... you don't lift a finger to find the missing child.

[Bruce]

Your music taste has frozen in time. But not to worry. It could be a
lot worse. Sheldon's entire outlook on everything has frozen in time.