Just a test

[jazee...@gmail.com]

Sorry, just using your group as a test to see if my posts are getting through with google. Thanks.

[Thomas]

Good to go

[Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl]

On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 15:37:52 -0700 (PDT), jazee...@gmail.com wrote:

>Sorry, just using your group as a test to see if my posts are getting through with google. Thanks.

dude
alt.binary.test.test

--

____/~~~sine qua non~~~\____

[Thomas]

How could he possibly know. I sure don't and have been posting since the beginning.

[Sqwertz]

On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 12:21:11 -0500,
Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl wrote:

> On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 15:37:52 -0700 (PDT), jazee...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>Sorry, just using your group as a test to see if my posts are getting through with google. Thanks.
>
> dude
> alt.binary.test.test

dude

Why would he post to a binary test group? Google doesn't even carry
that group anyway.

-sw

-sw

[jay]

On 7/17/20 11:24 AM, Thomas wrote:
> How could he possibly know. I sure don't and have been posting since the beginning.
>

True and his post is way more interesting than 80% of the posts here. lol

[Bruce]

On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 10:24:35 -0700 (PDT), Thomas <cano...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>How could he possibly know. I sure don't and have been posting since the beginning.

Know what?

[jazee...@gmail.com]

jay wrote:

> True and his post is way more interesting than 80% of the posts here. lol

It's true, I did use your group to test google because my posts were not going through on my regular group. But I have posted here in the past - and furthermore, this is MY thread and I don't like seeing people use it as a forum for their petty disputes under the banner of my good name.

It is funny - and interesting. There are many in this group, and other groups I have seen, who claim to be against arguing or going off topic, but the truth is known to all who are loyal to it. I know the truth. The truth is most people like conflict of some kind. My innocent test post only proves it. I expected a response or two but got more. I'm happy about that. I enjoy the conflict, especially knowing I did not start it directly. Also, of all the posts my initial post 'inspired' I like yours the best. Very profound and very true. I was going to argue the 80% you gave me, that it was not high enough. But that would not have been true. There are some here whose posts, especially related to food, are more interesting than mine - and you hit it right on the head, about 20%. Nice work, Jay.

[Hank Rogers]

You sniffed two asses?

[Lucretia Borgia]

Aside from all of that, did you not know that alt.test.bogus was set
up years ago for testing?

[Bruce]

What about alt.test?

[jay]

Thanks for the contribution and you actually gave the snivellers
something to do. This used to be a really active group and all about
good food along with a nice mix of bickering. The food part has mostly
gone away. Next time just add 'icle' to the end of post.

[Lucretia Borgia]

Probably same thing.

[Ed Pawlowski]

Easy enough to avoid controversy here. Just post something like "I
ripped 20 minutes this morning" and if you get a response you know it
worked. Oh, you can be sure it will generate a response.

[jmcquown]

On 7/17/2020 3:45 PM, jay wrote:
> On 7/17/20 11:24 AM, Thomas wrote:
>> How could he possibly know. I sure don't and have been posting since
>> the beginning.
>>

(snippage)

Been posting since the beginning of what? Time?

Jill

[Bruce]

Yes, for days.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Saturday, July 18, 2020 at 10:04:56 AM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> Easy enough to avoid controversy here. Just post something like "I
> ripped 20 minutes this morning" and if you get a response you know it
> worked. Oh, you can be sure it will generate a response.
>

*SNIGGER*

[jazee...@gmail.com]

On Saturday, July 18, 2020 at 7:35:59 AM UTC-4, Lucretia Borgia wrote:

> Aside from all of that, did you not know that alt.test.bogus was set
> up years ago for testing?

"Aside from all that" - LOL. No I did not know. Not sure I'd use it anyway. I think my way was better because it supplied two answers - one that google groups was working because I accessed your group through google, meaning things were probably just delayed on my group. And that was the case as my posts did show up an hour or so later.

By the way I am not in a rush. I don't care about the hour. When I first started using google for the groups the average wait time for a post to show was 9 hours. I did not mind it a bit. But when your posts usually show up right away and then suddenly they don't it makes you wonder if maybe whatever you type next could be lost to the ether. So I decided to use your group - my group too, just not as steadily - as a test. I mean, "aside from all that", this has been a test. Repeat: THIS HAS BEEN A TEST.

Thanks. From now on I'm going to call you TFAT (pronounced Tee-Fat and standing for "Thanks For All That."

[jazee...@gmail.com]

On Saturday, July 18, 2020 at 7:43:37 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:

> What about alt.test?


I am very impatient and distrustful of internet instructions on anything. Very little in between, very technical. Maybe it's just me but I don't like it.

Now to get my point across using a real life example I will use the Sudoko puzzle out of the newspaper. I do them now and then. Right next to the puzzle is a message saying "For help with tips on how to solve Sudoko please visit......www.dot.whateversudoko. I have two reasons I never visited that site. First I'd rather learn (or not) on my own how to make the puzzle easier. Of course if the puzzles become too easy you're going to have trouble finding challenging puzzles and will have to pay extra money for extra tough puzzles.

Reason number two I don't click into their suggested learning tips is I'm afraid the tips may be harder to understand than the puzzles themselves.

So whenever possible I will use a more direct Paul Anka style "my way" method of my playing detective. But I appreciate all the suggestions. I just wanted to see if my post took here. It did. My Q and A was over at that moment. But of course - aside from all that - I also enjoy posting here now and then.

[jazee...@gmail.com]

On Saturday, July 18, 2020 at 8:27:23 AM UTC-4, jay wrote:

> Thanks for the contribution and you actually gave the snivellers
> something to do. This used to be a really active group and all about
> good food along with a nice mix of bickering. The food part has mostly
> gone away. Next time just add 'icle' to the end of post.

I'm in the middle on this one. I was in a very active standup comedy group that was at it's peak but was splitting into factions around the time I first went there. I enjoyed posting there. But the ones who were there first thought the group should be only about getting gigs and so forth - the business end of it. Jokes were frowned upon (unless they came from the main cliche). There were trolls. Bad ones too. But sometimes even they were funny and were easy to ignore. Also, the title of 'troll' was passed around too much. Anyone new to the group was viewed as a troll unless they kissed the right asses.

Anyway, the original guys finally managed to start a moderated group. I could get into the group but could not post. I did not care. Not a bit. But I did keep an eye on their progress. Within a few months the group died away. The original group, where I remained with a few others lasted longer but with members dropping out over time. This was an experience. The group was at it's peak when I arrived. A bit of conflict made it possible, I think. I'm not suggested conflict as a remedy for anything, like doing it on purpose - like, 'Hey man, this place could use a little conflict."

I understand how you feel, sort of like looking for regular ice-cream and all you can find is sugarless and fat free crap. The real stuff is there but it's buried away. Bad example maybe. Anyway, I suppose it's all relative and for you this is really bad right now - but from what I saw in the few groups I've been to this place is pretty well run. Also, as I'm sure you know, some of those who complain loudest about conflict posts or off topic posts are usually the first to respond into them. I am not putting the verdict on you or anyone exclusively, just supposing even those who love talking about food enjoy a good diversion now and then. I like the way threads turn into other stuff. Now if someone goes down top to bottom purposely and takes over the whole board just to be a pig, of course that is a different story. But natural diversions within posts is great. If I have a question about food, or a suggestion of my own, this is the place I come to.

[jazee...@gmail.com]

On Saturday, July 18, 2020 at 11:04:56 AM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> Easy enough to avoid controversy here. Just post something like "I
> ripped 20 minutes this morning" and if you get a response you know it
> worked. Oh, you can be sure it will generate a response.

At first I read it as 'flip' not 'rip' and thought you were taking about pancakes or fritters or something. Then I noticed rip and thought, "Now this guy is talking my language." Yes, I can talk about farts all day long, the many different styles of sound and most importantly smell. There is indeed a connection to food. Do farts cook in the traditional oven or stovetop method? Not exactly. But rest assured on their way out their are boiling in all sorts of ways, if not on sheer desire to be released at last -urgent, hot, bubbling - like prisoners scaling the wall in unison or slaves freed at last from their chains. I agree with your comment - so far in this group - I see it as a decently run place and yes it is easy enough to avoid controversy.

[jazee...@gmail.com]

You put my name above your response. I am not the one who said he has been posting here from the beginning.............. I don't care, just setting the record straight.

[Bruce]

On Sat, 18 Jul 2020 15:27:54 -0700 (PDT), jazee...@gmail.com wrote:

>On Saturday, July 18, 2020 at 7:43:37 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>
>> What about alt.test?
>
>I am very impatient and distrustful of internet instructions on anything. Very little in between, very technical. Maybe it's just me but I don't like it.

I don't mind that you test here. Test away. But if others are going to
recommend a dedicated test group, alt.test seems the most obvious one.

>Now to get my point across using a real life example I will use the Sudoko puzzle out of the newspaper. I do them now and then. Right next to the puzzle is a message saying "For help with tips on how to solve Sudoko please visit......www.dot.whateversudoko. I have two reasons I never visited that site. First I'd rather learn (or not) on my own how to make the puzzle easier. Of course if the puzzles become too easy you're going to have trouble finding challenging puzzles and will have to pay extra money for extra tough puzzles.
>
>Reason number two I don't click into their suggested learning tips is I'm afraid the tips may be harder to understand than the puzzles themselves.

And boring.

>So whenever possible I will use a more direct Paul Anka style "my way" method of my playing detective.

Yes. I only read manuals if all else fails and the house is
practically on fire.

[jay]

I like this free one ok

http://www.enjoysudoku.com

You can pick your level. Check it out and see if it underwhelms your
ability.

[jay]

You attributed this comment to me? I didn't make it.

[jmcquown]

Don't you know how to read attribtutions? I attributed it to Thomas.

Jill

[Bruce]

On Sat, 18 Jul 2020 19:01:22 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

You snipped everything jay said, but left his attribution line, which
is a bit confusing.

Maybe Thomas is another privileged member of your killfile, so you had
to piggyback.

[dsi1]

People here love people testing posts. They can then dust off the old "test post" shtick and give it yet another rerun. Mostly, people here are just rerunning their shticks and routines.

[jay]

Yes.. and the old spammer spanking routine loves to come out too along
with "I'm not clicking on that link." If you don't want to click just
don't ..but it must be fun to make a formal announcement about what you
are not about to do.

OB:food
May microwave leftovers if there are any.

[jay]

I'll try harder but this was your post.

What do you think?

[Bruce]

They like to show us all how clued in they are. They're the same
people who flaunt their killfile.

[dsi1]

She has a tough gig. Putting up the pretense that she's not reading posts from some folks forces her to do some creative editing to give the appearance that she's not responding to the person she's actually trying to send out a message to. This results in the attributions being messed up. This is what happens when people try to be deceitful but aren't smart enough to pull it off.

[jazee...@gmail.com]

On Saturday, July 18, 2020 at 6:56:18 PM UTC-4, jay wrote:

> I like this free one ok
>
> http://www.enjoysudoku.com
>
> You can pick your level. Check it out and see if it underwhelms your
> ability.

It's a habit thing with me. I prefer it out of the paper. I don't care for the mags. It's like coffee with me. I don't like coffee as much as the ritual of it. Same with the newspaper - I don't care about the news, I'm just looking for stuff I find interesting or amusing. They have a free weekly here called City Beat that has the absolute toughest ones I've seen yet. I usually snag 3 of them from the box because I know I'm going to mess up on the first one.

There is another interesting site called sudoku.solve (or something like that). If you're having trouble with a puzzle and want to move on from it you can go to that site and it will show you a sudoko grid and ask you to pump the original numbers from your puzzle into it. When you do that and hit the send button the other spaces fill with numbers and the correct result is seen. I like doing them in bed or in some relaxed moment. I can also get out of it for weeks at a clip. I appreciate your suggestion though.

I'm all for change - after it's over.

[Thomas]

On Saturday, July 18, 2020 at 12:20:17 PM UTC-4, jmcquown wrote:

Since newsgroups arrived on my green analog pc.

[Mike Duffy]

On Sat, 18 Jul 2020 17:03:14 -0700, dsi1 wrote:

> She has a tough gig. [...] This results in the attributions

> being messed up. This is what happens when people try
> to be deceitful but aren't smart enough to pull it off.

When I arrived here, I was using a new newsreader, and for an
embarassingly long time I had you confused with Sheldon.

(Sober Sheldon, & not drunk Sheldon if that makes any difference.)

[Leo]

On 2020 Jul 18, , Bruce wrote
(in article<r2o5hf5dnosd6oneb...@4ax.com>):

> What about alt.test?

I’ve used alt.test since my day one. I even subscribe so I don’t have
to fool around with the full group list when I post something that I want
to check such as a new X-Face or newsreader format.
Lately, alt.test is full of hex code headers. Somebody is trying to do
something. Don’t open those, open only yours.

[Gary]

Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> Aside from all of that, did you not know that alt.test.bogus was set
> up years ago for testing?

There are many usenet groups that no one post to anymore. Any
one of them would be good for a test post.

[jay]

Yes like RFC.

This testing thing is so overrated. Posting to a news group is not super
duper laboratory science. Write a normal post pointed to where you want
it to go. If it doesn't show up check your settings and post it again.
No rocket is going to launch regardless of how many TESTING 123, TESTING
123's folks do. LOL

[jay]

Same here on habit, but I am just the opposite and don't do much paper
other than TP and paper towels. Yes there is no news worth looking at
since most of it is make believe. Most of the magazine puzzles I have
seen are extremely easy. I have an iPad so can take it anywhere.

http://www.enjoysudoku.com puzzles can be unsolvable for me. I don't
use the hints. If I can figure it out I move on.

[jay]

I failed to mention the top posting police. If you want some replies
just top post and you will soon be arrested. It is rightfully a crime
since you may have to scroll down and then back up to get the drift of
the post.

[jazee...@gmail.com]

True, but first you will need to go to alt.groups.living.or.dead to find out which group to post to. You don't want to accidentally post into a living group and ruin everyone's day.

[jazee...@gmail.com]

On Sunday, July 19, 2020 at 8:37:38 AM UTC-4, jay wrote:

> This testing thing is so overrated. Posting to a news group is not super
> duper laboratory science. Write a normal post pointed to where you want
> it to go. If it doesn't show up check your settings and post it again.
> No rocket is going to launch regardless of how many TESTING 123, TESTING
> 123's folks do. LOL

I do not feel bad about using this group for my test. I was posting into my regular group on about post #5 when I noticed they weren't going through. I did not care about the time factor. I just didn't want to type more posts and have them lost to the ether.

Sometimes I'll get the over the limit message from google. If there are only a few posts left I'll copy and paste them into my email and respond into the email as well, then paste it back into the group the following day. I am going to be doing that now with some posts from yesterday that I wrote after getting the over the limit message. Back and forth from email to groups copying and pasting. A chore but a luxury at the same time.

[jazee...@gmail.com]

On Sunday, July 19, 2020 at 8:44:28 AM UTC-4, jay wrote:

> Same here on habit, but I am just the opposite and don't do much paper
> other than TP and paper towels. Yes there is no news worth looking at
> since most of it is make believe. Most of the magazine puzzles I have
> seen are extremely easy. I have an iPad so can take it anywhere.
>
> http://www.enjoysudoku.com puzzles can be unsolvable for me. I don't
> use the hints. If I can figure it out I move on.

I won't lie, I finish most of the tough ones on sheer persistence. I'll have an idea of how I'm doing it but can't even explain it to myself. I finished a real toughie yesterday. Sometimes I go months without doing them. They seem tougher on return. It's like smoking 3 packs of cigarets a day or gaining an extra 100 pounds to make your exercises a little tougher so you'll get even more healthy and fit.

[jazee...@gmail.com]

On Sunday, July 19, 2020 at 12:39:09 PM UTC-4, jay wrote:
=

> I failed to mention the top posting police. If you want some replies
> just top post and you will soon be arrested. It is rightfully a crime
> since you may have to scroll down and then back up to get the drift of
> the post.

I was aware of them in the old comedy group. I am very good about cleaning up what I'm about to send. I don't mean editing what I've written - I don't do that and maybe I should - I'm talking about the stuff above mine. I will edit out all the long stuff but leave something there along with the person's name to whom I'm replying. One bad thing I can't change, and I've tried, is the width of my posts. I make the window as thin as possible and this is as narrow as I can get it. I've heard people bitch about that, and I guess I don't blame them with that one. I look up at your post and see it's about 2/3 the width of mine. I can't get mine any smaller. But it used to be worse before I started dragging the window as tight as it'll go.

[jazee...@gmail.com]

On Saturday, July 18, 2020 at 8:03:18 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:

> She has a tough gig. Putting up the pretense that she's not reading posts from some folks forces her to do some creative editing to give the appearance that she's not responding to the person she's actually trying to send out a message to. This results in the attributions being messed up. This is what happens when people try to be deceitful but aren't smart enough to pull it off.

Actually, I think I was wrong in saying she attributed the comments to me. My first name is Thomas and that's what I saw above her post, so I concluded she was responding to or quoting me. I was wrong. And I admit it. Because that's the kind of guy I am. I always admit my mistakes. This makes people trust me even more so I can lie to them again in the future.

[jazee...@gmail.com]

On Saturday, July 18, 2020 at 7:54:20 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:

> They like to show us all how clued in they are. They're the same
> people who flaunt their killfile.

I know. I enjoy it. It makes me feel superior. I guess in that way I am like them. Sort of. Well not quite but sort of almost - like on the verge but not quite there. I am better than they are. In time you and others will know that. But for now let's live in peace and harmony, two things to which I am strongly devoted forever. How about you? Do you feel the same? Well do ya punk?

[jazee...@gmail.com]

On Saturday, July 18, 2020 at 7:49:02 PM UTC-4, jay wrote:

> Yes.. and the old spammer spanking routine loves to come out too along
> with "I'm not clicking on that link." If you don't want to click just
> don't ..but it must be fun to make a formal announcement about what you
> are not about to do.

I am guilty of similar stuff like watching TV shows and bitching about how horrible they are. What a luxury that is, to sit around all day watching stuff you claim to hate. "A formal announcement about what you are not about to do", LOL.

[jazee...@gmail.com]

On Saturday, July 18, 2020 at 7:09:13 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:

> People here love people testing posts. They can then dust off the old "test post" shtick and give it yet another rerun. Mostly, people here are just rerunning their shticks and routines.

Funny and true. I enjoy it. The bickering can be fun. When it ceases to be fun I can always bolt. Yes, I believe there is snobbery in all groups. Even the snobs have their place. Same as bullies. They must have a place too, otherwise the victims of bullies would have no platform for their selfish crybabyism.

I enjoy even the seemingly hateful posts sometimes, like where someone posts a recipe and another person says, "How can you eat trash like that?" See, I can enjoy that, especially if I believe the person actually believes what they are saying. But if they are doing it just to create chaos then it is not as good although that too can have it's own form of entertainment. It is funny how words can be used.

Like asking a question. Like when someone uses a word some don't understand. Now they can ask one way, "What does that word mean?", or they can put a more snide attitude behind it, like, "What does that word even mean?", or then mentioning the word in a derisive way followed by, "What the heck does that even mean?" I enjoy the various techniques, the way comments are placed into question form to make them seem less threatening, to engulf the reader, because it's a question and it means they will have an opportunity to respond - it appeals to their ego. But sometimes the questions are really not questions at all, just comments, usually snide and final - and sometimes funny. It's just a bunch of words. I am capable of enjoying it.

[jazee...@gmail.com]

Bruce wrote:

> Yes. I only read manuals if all else fails and the house is
> practically on fire.


How about a manifesto? How long does it have to be? Do you have to be a mass murderer to qualify?

How about boardgame instructions? Or how to set a wrist watch. Some of them are really poorly written. Or maybe it's impossible to write them otherwise.

Manuals are funny. I used to drive cab and had a personal who'd have me drive her around in her own car. She let me take it home some nights. But I was on a leash, of course. Anyway, one night I parked outside her place waiting for her to come out, going to the hospital. It was cold out. I wanted to keep the car running for heat but also wanted to turn off the exterior lights so they wouldn't shine into people's windows. But it wouldn't let me do it. I tried all kinds of stuff and could not keep the lights off without keeping the car turned off. I thought I tried everything.

She had a manual in the glove compartment. I looked under lights. Finally I got to the part where it said if you want to keep the lights off and the car running you will need to turn off the car and then restart it with your foot on the brake. Something really simple that never entered my mind. So that was a case where the manual came in handy. But it was a good manual. Mostly I prefer to avoid them, or to open them up and study them in a relaxed environment when time is not an issue. Patience is required, no doubt about it. It says so in the manual.

[jazee...@gmail.com]

> I like this free one ok
>
> http://www.enjoysudoku.com
>
> You can pick your level. Check it out and see if it underwhelms your
> ability.

I like the ritual of the puzzle more than the puzzle itself. I used to do them while having hot coffee downtown, drinking it through a straw and taking about an hour. I like puzzles out of the paper. I try to do the easier ones fast. The hard ones take some time. There is a weekly mag here with the toughest Sudoko I've ever seen. Every week it is tough. And funny thing about it is there are lots of numbers on the grid, the high 20s usually. It gives you a head start and everything seems like it's falling into place before suddenly the challenge begins and my brain is challenged in such a way that sometimes bugs me. I usually get 3 or so of the mag out of the box because I know the first attempt probably won't work. And I use a pen and usually don't put in numbers unless I'm sure. That's how tough it is. I don't like them in magazines. I have tried them. I don't like having the answers available to me.

Although, in case you are interesting - it is interesting actually - there is a site called sudoko something or other, can't recall what exactly, but just sudoko alone can take you to it - that will take you to a blank sudoko grid asking you to pump the bold original letters from your puzzle into the appropriate spots. And when you do that and hit 'continue' the whole grid fills in showing you the results. I used it only once on a puzzle I had given up on. It was interesting. Imagine making up a puzzle. I could never do it. Even though I myself am a puzzle of sorts like most.

[Bruce]

On Sun, 19 Jul 2020 16:31:45 -0700 (PDT), jazee...@gmail.com wrote:

>Bruce wrote:
>
>> Yes. I only read manuals if all else fails and the house is
>> practically on fire.
>
>
>How about a manifesto? How long does it have to be?

I could handle one page in big letters.

>Do you have to be a mass murderer to qualify?

Uhm... I don't think that matters in this particular case.

>How about boardgame instructions? Or how to set a wrist watch.

I have a wrist watch that came with a tiny book. I ended up buying
another wrist watch that came without a book.

>Some of them are really poorly written. Or maybe it's impossible to write them otherwise.

It was also very small print. Reading that felt like work. Also, not
many pictures.

>Manuals are funny. I used to drive cab and had a personal who'd have me drive her around in her own car. She let me take it home some nights. But I was on a leash, of course. Anyway, one night I parked outside her place waiting for her to come out, going to the hospital. It was cold out. I wanted to keep the car running for heat but also wanted to turn off the exterior lights so they wouldn't shine into people's windows. But it wouldn't let me do it. I tried all kinds of stuff and could not keep the lights off without keeping the car turned off. I thought I tried everything.
>
>She had a manual in the glove compartment. I looked under lights. Finally I got to the part where it said if you want to keep the lights off and the car running you will need to turn off the car and then restart it with your foot on the brake. Something really simple that never entered my mind. So that was a case where the manual came in handy. But it was a good manual. Mostly I prefer to avoid them, or to open them up and study them in a relaxed environment when time is not an issue. Patience is required, no doubt about it. It says so in the manual.

Yes, you really need the manual if what you have to do isn't
intuitive. Hopefully, you don't have to read half the manual before
you find what you need. Long live the index.

[Bruce]

Well, I do like to annoy people who take themselves too seriously. Of
course, they're also the ones who'll killfile me. I'd call that a
catch 22, but I forgot what that is.

[jazee...@gmail.com]

Bruce wrote:

> Well, I do like to annoy people who take themselves too seriously. Of
> course, they're also the ones who'll killfile me. I'd call that a catch 22, but I forgot what that is.

I don't set out to annoy people. But sometimes as I'm speaking I am mindful that what I'm saying could irritate some people. I say it anyway. So it's not purposeful, but it is on purpose. As I'm writing what to me is the truth I am capable of seeing how others might take it, and if I think some might find it shocking or abhorrent for some reason, then yes I can delight in it. Like the time in the comedy group when everyone was talking about watching the WTC towers coming down on TV. I told them it was entertainment. I was serious but knew as I wrote those words that they would inspire a lot of friction. Fine with me, as long as it's the truth. And it was. And it is. People who watch stuff over and over again, sucked into it - and I'm not saying I blame them - at some point it ceases to be information or in any way helpful to anybody so that anyone watching it over and over again has to admit if they're honest that they're doing it to be entertained in some way. Oh man, I couldn't find one person to agree with me on it. I enjoyed the friction, especially since I didn't out to start out, it just came out that way as the truth often does. I enjoyed it.

[Ophelia]

wrote in message
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Thank you for that:) I am being educated and I am appreciating it:) I
never understood those differences until now! I don't read many people
because of so much nastiness and I have kill filed a couple of people
because of the way they constantly attack me. The rest I simply don't read.
I come here to enjoy recipes and other funny stuff. This education is very
well received, so thank you again :)

Ophelia
Scotland


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Education? Wow, I never expected that. I have always wondered, "What am I?", and now I know - I am an educator. Thanks for the compliment. Education is great - the ABCs, the real lessons of life - but before receiving and accepting your compliment I have to admit I have always viewed official educators and most authorities in a negative light. Now I too am being educated as I find myself beginning to soften my stance since I too am now a member of the educator community. Thanks.

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> Bruce wrote:


> How about a manifesto? How long does it have to be?
>
> I could handle one page in big letters.
>
> Do you have to be a mass murderer to qualify?
>
> Uhm... I don't think that matters in this particular case.
>
> How about boardgame instructions? Or how to set a wrist watch.
>
> I have a wrist watch that came with a tiny book. I ended up buying
> another wrist watch that came without a book.
>
> Some of them are really poorly written. Or maybe it's impossible to write them otherwise.
>
> It was also very small print. Reading that felt like work. Also, not
> many pictures.

> Yes, you really need the manual if what you have to do isn't
> intuitive. Hopefully, you don't have to read half the manual before
> you find what you need. Long live the index.

We must wear the same watch. Got mine for $10 at Walmart, been buying the same one for years. They are all a bit different each time. So they have to be played with. My instructions were the same as yours - absolutely unreadable. I have been using reading glasses for years and am up to using .5 magnification at home. The highest they go in the stores is 3.25. Those are good enough. But even wearing the 5s I can't read the print on the instructions for the watch. I try to imagine people with perfect eyesight reading it and have trouble imagining it. Insane. Yes, chuck the instructions and take a little time to mess with the thing on your own and you'll get it. That's what I found.

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On Thursday, July 23, 2020 at 2:47:21 AM UTC-5, jazee...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> We must wear the same watch. Got mine for $10 at Walmart, been buying the same one for years. They are all a bit different each time. So they have to be played with. My instructions were the same as yours - absolutely unreadable. I have been using reading glasses for years and am up to using .5 magnification at home. The highest they go in the stores is 3.25. Those are good enough. But even wearing the 5s I can't read the print on the instructions for the watch. I try to imagine people with perfect eyesight reading it and have trouble imagining it. Insane. Yes, chuck the instructions and take a little time to mess with the thing on your own and you'll get it. That's what I found.
>

I'm late coming to this thread, but opt for a magnifying glass to read those
specks on the paper that are supposed to instructions.

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On Thursday, July 23, 2020 at 3:27:02 PM UTC-4, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:


> I'm late coming to this thread, but opt for a magnifying glass to read those
> specks on the paper that are supposed to instructions.

I tried the magnifying glass. It worked, one word at a time. The instructions would have been a chore even if readable. I couldn't handle it. I kept the instructions just to show people for laughs but never went beyond that except for the magnifying glass method. I have decent eyes but they're getting old. Been on the reading glasses, building my way up for 30 plus years. But I remember what it was like to read without them. I really have trouble believing a person with perfect sight would be able to read the instructions that came with the watch. But I figured it out.

It is funny how the eyes go. I was driving cab in L.A. in my early 40s when I first noticed it but didn't know what it was. First I blamed the guy I leased the cab from. I thought the top light was too dim. Then I began blaming the map makers. If I got a call to hit the Hollywood Hills - lots of really small streets, hard to see on a map - I'd have to get out of the cab and put the map in front of a headlight in order to read it. I never thought it was my eyes. It happens slowly. I like when things happen slowly. Even dying. Most people say they want to go fast. Not me. As long as there is no pain or outright torment I'll take the long method any day. I want to wither away to death. So slowly and imperceptibly with just a tiny percent of of withermentation each day that you don't even know it's happening. And man it feels so good. Withering away is a great feeling. The downside is, in order to enjoy it you have to be alive. So every so often I'll get into exercising just to stay in decent enough shape to wither away again. This last time, ending today - 12 days in bed just for lack of wanting to get up for anything - I went out today and walked to the market and never felt so out of shape in my life. As I walked along I told myself sincerely, "If I don't have a heart attack today I will never have one."

The eyes have it....................