It is 6F in Da Lou!

[John Kuthe]

BRRRRR! :-)

John Kuthe, RN, BSN...

[Ophelia]

On Wednesday, January 26, 2022 at 7:02:50 AM UTC-6, jwk...@bjc.org wrote:
> BRRRRR! :-)
>
> John Kuthe, RN, BSN...

John, luv, are you keeping your balls warm?

;)

[John Kuthe]

Always! Cup them gently! Hand Warmer too! :-)

Fleece pants are great for that!

John Kuthe, RN, BSN...

[Ophelia]

Lovely, you are a good boy :)

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

Hi Greg.

[Gary]

On 1/26/2022 8:02 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
> BRRRRR! :-)
>
> John Kuthe, RN, BSN...

I wouldn't even open my door at that temp. Screw that! ;)

[Cindy Hamilton]

Well, Princess, some of us don't think 6 F is all that cold.

It was 10 here when I left for work this morning. I didn't even bother
with my heaviest coat.

Cindy Hamilton

[Gary]

I would dress "for BEAR" in that temp...all the layers I could find in
my closet.

But you probably went from warm house to warm car to warm work.

If you didn't wear your heaviest coat in 6F weather, you wasted your
money on a heaviest coat.

[Gary]

[Dave Smith]

I think 6f is pretty cold. It is currently 12F here, and that is chilly.

It was about that cold when we headed out last night. I had a clothing
malfunction. I must not have had the zipper properly lined up when I
zipped it up and when I sat down in the car it unzipped itself from the
bottom up. I tried to forced it back down, but that's hard to do when
seated. I waited until we got back home and out of the car. I didn't
bother zipping it up again because I was just keep an eye on the dog for
a couple minutes.

[Dave Smith]

On 2022-01-26 9:40 a.m., Gary wrote:
> On 1/26/2022 9:32 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Wednesday, January 26, 2022 at 9:20:50 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
>>> On 1/26/2022 8:02 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
>>>> BRRRRR! :-)
>>>>
>>>> John Kuthe, RN, BSN...
>>> I wouldn't even open my door at that temp. Screw that! ;)
>>
>> Well, Princess, some of us don't think 6 F is all that cold.
>>
>> It was 10 here when I left for work this morning.  I didn't even bother
>> with my heaviest coat.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
> I would dress "for BEAR" in that temp...all the layers I could find in
> my closet.

My standard garb for winter is jeans, knit socks, a Tshirt and a fleecie
sweaters. When go out I put on my parka and a toque and wrap a scarf
around my neck. If it is below 20 I put on gloves.

>
> But you probably went from warm house to warm car to warm work.
>
> If you didn't wear your heaviest coat in 6F weather, you wasted your
> money on a heaviest coat.

I may not need my parka all the time, but on the really cold days it is
worth it. If it is below freezing it is comfortable. I have a lighter
hooded jacket that is handy down to about freezing. If it gets way below
0F I will put on some long underwear, but I have not resorted to that in
years.

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 1/26/2022 10:22 AM, Dave Smith wrote:

>>
>> But you probably went from warm house to warm car to warm work.
>>
>> If you didn't wear your heaviest coat in 6F weather, you wasted your
>> money on a heaviest coat.
>
> I may not need my parka all the time, but on the really cold days it is
> worth it. If it is below freezing it is comfortable.  I have a lighter
> hooded jacket that is handy down to about freezing. If it gets way below
> 0F I will put on some long underwear, but I have not resorted to that in
> years.
>

Depends on the particular mission. Yes, house to car to work or store
is not a big deal. Spending an hour walking to the store in the cold
you need that heaviest coat.

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Wednesday, January 26, 2022 at 9:39:43 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
> On 1/26/2022 9:32 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Wednesday, January 26, 2022 at 9:20:50 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
> >> On 1/26/2022 8:02 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
> >>> BRRRRR! :-)
> >>>
> >>> John Kuthe, RN, BSN...
> >> I wouldn't even open my door at that temp. Screw that! ;)
> >
> > Well, Princess, some of us don't think 6 F is all that cold.
> >
> > It was 10 here when I left for work this morning. I didn't even bother
> > with my heaviest coat.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
> I would dress "for BEAR" in that temp...all the layers I could find in
> my closet.
>
> But you probably went from warm house to warm car to warm work.

Not a warm car. It wasn't warm until I was halfway to work.

> If you didn't wear your heaviest coat in 6F weather, you wasted your
> money on a heaviest coat.

It was 10 F here. I only wear my heaviest coat when it's single digits
(either positive or negative numbers). For today, a sweater under
my trench coat was sufficient.

Cindy Hamilton

[Dave Smith]

True. We go to the dog park every day and also nice long walks in the
woods behind out house. I dress up and zip up. I used to be in the
habit of rating cold in terms of whether or not I had to zip up my coat
going back and forth to the car. As I get older I find myself opting for
the warmth.

[jmcquown]

It's important in the frigid temps you encounter to keep your core body
temp warm so yes! to zipping that coat. :)

Jill

[Dave Smith]

All things are relative. The frigid temperatures I encounter here are
nothing compared to what I have encountered elsewhere in the country. I
am in Canada's banana belt. About 45 years ago I went out to Winnipeg
to look for a shop and it was 40 F or C, it's the same. No way would I
want to leave there. That is a whole new dimension to cold. Graham can
tell you more about it because he is a lot further north than I am.

That's why so many Canadians go down your way in the winter and why we
love spring and summer.

[jmcquown]

I was merely commenting on the reason people should zip up (or button
up) their coat if they're going to be out walking around in very cold
temps for any length of time. Keeping your core temp warm (it's where
most of our really important internal organs are) is a good idea. Not
doing so could put some extra strain on your heart and lungs since
you're breathing in really cold air. So zip the coat and be warm, even
just going back and forth to the car (grocery unloading, I presume). :)

Jill

[Bryan Simmons]

My wife's sheepskin coat ripped, so I gave her mine. I have
a puffy coat somewhere, but I've just been wearing a
polyester fleece zip up Cardinals jacket. I'm pretty cold
tolerant, but I don't like the cold, and hopefully there will be
very few winters that I'll spend where it gets cold. The way
it looks, I can cut my hours down to enough to qualify for
renewing my company subsidized health insurance, and
not a lot more. If I have an average of 30 hours/week at
the end of this year, I can renew it for a whole year of going
very part time, so I could semi-retire in a year, and just work
20 hours or so during 2023, through March of 2024, while
keeping the health care. Then I'd be eligible for COBRA,
which won't be cheap, but is great coverage, for 18 months,
with only 2 months of Affordable Care Act insurance before
Medicare, as I turn 65 in Nov. of 2025.

They bend over backwards to keep me happy within the
constraints of not being able to give me a decent hourly
wage increase, and allowing me to shave off hours is part
of that. It's a very unusual situation. They're having others
help with the less skilled aspects, leaving me free to work
essentially unsupervised. Management pretty much told
me that they trust me 100%. I am given every possible
opportunity to excel, and work whatever hours I want,
within the context of running my department like a finely
tuned machine, all in lieu of a few thousand $$ more in
gross pay, which in the grand scheme of things is
essentially chump change.

At this point, I'm feeling super motivated to be the best I
can be, and my loyalty to the management is
commensurate with their making the last couple of years
of my working life truly enjoyable. 48 more weeks of
semi-full time, and 64 weeks of part time, all with total
devotion to being my best, running like a fucking
racehorse on the homestretch every minute I'm on the
time clock, and that's it.

Dinner this evening was sirloin steak, pan seared in
trimmed beef fat, hers rare, mine blue rare, with baked
potatoes started in the pressure cooker and finished
in a 350F oven.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

--Bryan

[Bryan Simmons]

You are the only person here who lives somewhere where the
temperature is fairly nice most days of the year. I could imagine
ending up in Savannah.
>
> Jill

--Bryan

[Gary]

I doubt you would like it during the summer months. Very hot and humid.
Without a good breeze, very stifling.

I've always suspected that Vegas might be a better choice. Hot but dry.

[Gary]

Read again what you wrote above. You appear to me as a total slacker,
planning to retire too early (What about your full retirement age?) and
only want to get by with minimum hours until age 65 and Medicare.

>
> Dinner this evening was sirloin steak, pan seared in
> trimmed beef fat,

I always pan sear with a dry skillet - with no fat. You can get a better
(hotter) sear that way. The first side will stick a bit but easily
pulled up with a fork. The second side won't stick at all.

[GM]

Destination Moon

“So away we steal in a space-mobile
A supersonic honeymoon
Leave your cares below, pull the switch, let’s go!
Destination moon...”

--
GM

[Cindy Hamilton]

Did he say he was taking Social Security at age 65? I'm retiring just
short of 65, but don't plan to take Social Security until full retirement age.
If I'm getting along ok on my investments, I might defer it until I'm 70.

At this stage of the game, if he wants a work/life balance that leans
more toward life than work, who are you to criticize him? He feels
he has plenty saved for retirement. As for millions of Americans,
the problematic issue is health insurance. You've complained about
that cost yourself.

Cindy Hamilton

[Bryan Simmons]

On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 6:31:47 AM UTC-6,

There's no such thing as "full retirement age," old man. Any
time from 62 to 70 is time to start taking SS, and any time
one can afford to is OK to retire, and I *can* afford to. If I
had to live your existence, I'd probably keep working, but I
know how to have fun.

--Bryan

[Tony]

I always thought that the less one worked the better. Do you suffer
from a WASPy work ethic?

[Mike Duffy]

On Thu, 27 Jan 2022 04:40:11 -0800, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> I'm retiring just short of 65,

Did you write up your 'exit' email for the work crew? You know, the one
where you say who don't wash their hands after taking a dump, &c.

[Dave Smith]

I retired short of 65.... 12 years short of it. I was eligible for CPP
at age 60 and understood the breakeven point to be 77. I never figured I
would make it that far and it looks like I probably won't. I liked my
job. I never got up in the morning dreading having to go in, but I never
missed it after I left. I found lots to do.

> At this stage of the game, if he wants a work/life balance that leans
> more toward life than work, who are you to criticize him? He feels
> he has plenty saved for retirement. As for millions of Americans,
> the problematic issue is health insurance. You've complained about
> that cost yourself.

Maybe one of these days you guys will smarten up and get a system like
ours. It is a hell of a lot cheaper and there is no concern about
preexisting conditions.

[Cindy Hamilton]

Not yet. It's not going to be quite like that.

But the subject line will be "Alpha Mike Foxtrot"

Cindy Hamilton

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 1:20:14 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2022-01-27 7:40 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 7:31:47 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
>
> > Did he say he was taking Social Security at age 65? I'm retiring just
> > short of 65, but don't plan to take Social Security until full retirement age.
> > If I'm getting along ok on my investments, I might defer it until I'm 70.
> I retired short of 65.... 12 years short of it. I was eligible for CPP
> at age 60 and understood the breakeven point to be 77. I never figured I
> would make it that far and it looks like I probably won't. I liked my
> job. I never got up in the morning dreading having to go in, but I never
> missed it after I left. I found lots to do.

Did you have a defined-benefit pension through your workplace? Those
are becoming as scarce as hen's teeth down here.

> > At this stage of the game, if he wants a work/life balance that leans
> > more toward life than work, who are you to criticize him? He feels
> > he has plenty saved for retirement. As for millions of Americans,
> > the problematic issue is health insurance. You've complained about
> > that cost yourself.
> Maybe one of these days you guys will smarten up and get a system like
> ours. It is a hell of a lot cheaper and there is no concern about
> preexisting conditions.

It would be nice to think so. Yet Americans are oddly reluctant to make
their lives better if it means they might occasionally pay for someone
else's benefit.

The fact that this is how private medical insurance works never seems to
occur to them.

Cindy Hamilton

[Graham]

and car, house and life insurance!

[GM]

Graham, is it true that you go to Cuba for some of your medical needs that are difficult to
access in Canada...???

;-P

--
GM

[Tony]

Will it have to be very geeky to appeal to your colleagues?

[Sheldon Martin]

On Thu, 27 Jan 2022 Bryan Simmons wrote:

>On Thursday, January 27, 2022 Gary, "The Useless Dangler" wrote:
>> On 1/26/2022 Bryan Simmons wrote:
>> > On Wednesday, January 26, 2022 Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> >> On Wednesday, January 26, 2022 Gary wrote:
>> >>> On 1/26/2022 Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> >>>> On Wednesday, January 26, 2022 Gary wrote:

>> >>>>> On 1/26/2022 John Kuthe wrote:
>> >>>>>> BRRRRR! :-)
>> >>>>>> John Kuthe

>> >>>>> I wouldn't even open my door at that temp. Screw that! ;)
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Well, Princess, some of us don't think 6 F is all that cold.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> It was 10 here when I left for work this morning. I didn't even bother
>> >>>> with my heaviest coat.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Cindy Hamilton
>> >>> I would dress "for BEAR" in that temp...all the layers I could find in
>> >>> my closet.
>> >>>
>> >>> But you probably went from warm house to warm car to warm work.
>> >> Not a warm car. It wasn't warm until I was halfway to work.
>> >>> If you didn't wear your heaviest coat in 6F weather, you wasted your
>> >>> money on a heaviest coat.
>> >> It was 10 F here. I only wear my heaviest coat when it's single digits
>> >> (either positive or negative numbers). For today, a sweater under
>> >> my trench coat was sufficient.

What's with this heaviest coats?
Heavy coats are not very warm.
As the temperature plummets I
want my lightest high loft goose
down ski jacket. The best insulator
from the cold is trapped air.

[Dave Smith]

On 2022-01-27 1:42 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 1:20:14 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2022-01-27 7:40 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 7:31:47 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
>>
>>> Did he say he was taking Social Security at age 65? I'm retiring just
>>> short of 65, but don't plan to take Social Security until full retirement age.
>>> If I'm getting along ok on my investments, I might defer it until I'm 70.
>> I retired short of 65.... 12 years short of it. I was eligible for CPP
>> at age 60 and understood the breakeven point to be 77. I never figured I
>> would make it that far and it looks like I probably won't. I liked my
>> job. I never got up in the morning dreading having to go in, but I never
>> missed it after I left. I found lots to do.
>
> Did you have a defined-benefit pension through your workplace? Those
> are becoming as scarce as hen's teeth down here.
>

Yes. I get extended medical to cover prescription meds, physiothereapy,
and dental. I do not need regular medical because we have a government
run plan.

>> Maybe one of these days you guys will smarten up and get a system like
>> ours. It is a hell of a lot cheaper and there is no concern about
>> preexisting conditions.
>
> It would be nice to think so. Yet Americans are oddly reluctant to make
> their lives better if it means they might occasionally pay for someone
> else's benefit.

Apparently it would be communist to have a government run system that
provides universal health care, one where the people who sell medicare
care for huge profits cannot make a fortune doing it. The for proft
health care people spend a bundle lobbying the government and lying to
people about wait times and the lack of procedures.

[Michael Trew]

On 1/26/2022 9:32, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 26, 2022 at 9:20:50 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:

>> On 1/26/2022 8:02 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
>>> BRRRRR! :-)
>>>

>>> John Kuthe, RN, BSN...

>> I wouldn't even open my door at that temp. Screw that! ;)
>
> Well, Princess, some of us don't think 6 F is all that cold.
>
> It was 10 here when I left for work this morning. I didn't even bother
> with my heaviest coat.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

Depends on your climate, and what you're used to. It was colder than 6
degrees last night, and that was just miserable.

[Michael Trew]

On 1/26/2022 10:22, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2022-01-26 9:40 a.m., Gary wrote:
>> On 1/26/2022 9:32 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, January 26, 2022 at 9:20:50 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
>>>> On 1/26/2022 8:02 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
>>>>> BRRRRR! :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> John Kuthe, RN, BSN...
>>>> I wouldn't even open my door at that temp. Screw that! ;)
>>>
>>> Well, Princess, some of us don't think 6 F is all that cold.
>>>
>>> It was 10 here when I left for work this morning. I didn't even bother
>>> with my heaviest coat.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> I would dress "for BEAR" in that temp...all the layers I could find in
>> my closet.
>
> My standard garb for winter is jeans, knit socks, a Tshirt and a fleecie
> sweaters. When go out I put on my parka and a toque and wrap a scarf
> around my neck. If it is below 20 I put on gloves.

You polar bear people are crazy. I put 2-3 layers if I'm out for more
than 10 minutes, thick coat/gloves/scarf if it's near freezing.

[Tony]

Ghe? Uhm, can you go into more detail? I don't get it

[Cindy Hamilton]

"Heaviest" = "warmest" in this context.

No feathers in this house. Husband is allergic.

Cindy Hamilton

[Cindy Hamilton]

The only time I'm out for more than 10 minutes is for snow removal.
Then it's usually sweat pants, turtleneck, insulated (fiberfill) bib overalls,
a sweatshirt, and a windbreaker. Hat, scarf, gloves. Once in a great
while I wear a long-john top as well. Briskly walking up and down the
driveway keeps me warm, sometimes too warm.

If I'm just going to get in the car and go somewhere, I wear a coat over
my indoor clothes and gloves. A hat if it's below 20.

Cindy Hamilton

[Dave Smith]

I am not much closer to polar bears than you are. If I am going out for
just a few minutes I likely don't bother with a jacket. My typical
winter garb is a T shirt and a fleecie or microfiber sweater. Type of
jacket depends on hour cold it is. Always a hat, but I sport a solar
panel so I need to protect it from sun in the summer and cold in the winter.

[Tony]

Uhm, Ghe Ghe Ghe. This is my not frogger. Yes. Ghe Ghe Ghe
:)))))))))))

[GM]

Your Castro - ite girly man Justin doesn't have any real connection or understanding of the working class:

https://amgreatness.com/2022/01/27/polls-show-popular-support-for-trucker-convoy-in-canada-despite-trudeaus-claim-it-represents-fringe-minority/

Polls Show Popular Support for Trucker Convoy in Canada Despite Trudeau’s Claim it Represents ‘Fringe Minority’

"Multiple polls show that the massive convoy of Canadian truckers that is heading toward Ottawa, the nation’s Capital, enjoys popular support among Canadians, despite the prime minister’s claim that the protesters represent a “fringe minority” with “unacceptable views.”

https://www.sudbury.com/polls/do-you-support-the-so-called-freedom-convoy-of-truckers-and-others-who-are-currently-bound-for-ottawa-24212

Do you support the so-called "Freedom Convoy" of truckers and others who are currently bound for Ottawa?
Yes 933 votes 51.29 %
No 834 votes 45.85 %
Not sure 52 votes 2.86 %


Up to 50,000 “freedom truckers” are descending on Ottawa this weekend to protest vaccine passports.

After ignoring the massive protest for days, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau finally commented on the
convoy on Wednesday, calling the truckers a “fringe minority” with “unacceptable views” who do not
represent the way most Canadians feel.

“The small fringe minority of people who are on their way to Ottawa who are holding unacceptable
views that they are expressing do not represent the views of Canadians who have been there for
each other, who know of that following the science and stepping up to protect each other is the
best way to continue to ensure our freedoms, our rights, our values, as a country,” Trudeau said.

However, multiple polls throughout Canada completely refute the prime minister’s claim that
the truckers represent a “fringe minority.”

In his remarks, Wednesday, Trudeau also vowed that the government will continue to impose
federal vaccine mandates on truckers, and Canadian travelers, insisting that mass vaccination
is “the way through” the pandemic.

Unfortunately, data from around the world, including Quebec, Canada, now clearly show that
mass vaccination only exacerbates the problem.

https://twitter.com/ianmSC/status/1486502981059026945?cxt=HHwWgoCp-bulj6EpAAAA

Quebec is banning unvaccinated people from buying groceries, which makes perfect sense
because the existing vaccine passport system did such an amazing job of preventing cases from rising

I mean, how can you not expand a divisive and discriminatory policy with no clear benefits?


https://twitter.com/ianmSC/status/1486785051828228096?cxt=HHwWgMCo-ZLIj6IpAAAA

Singapore has set a new record with ~85% of the country fully vaccinated, despite Fauci and
Peter Hotez telling us vaccination rates that high would prevent surges & end the pandemic

How much longer do we have to pretend The Experts™ have any idea what they’re talking about?..."

[Tony]

[Graham]

On 2022-01-27 12:54 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:

>> from the cold is trapped air.
>
> "Heaviest" = "warmest" in this context.
>
> No feathers in this house. Husband is allergic.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

As was my wife. When we split, I bought a down-filled duvet:-)

[Hank Rogers]

Is the solar panel mounted to your hat, or your head?

[Tony]

On Thu, 27 Jan 2022 16:41:10 -0600, Hank Rogers <Ha...@nospam.invalid>
wrote:

[jmcquown]

On 1/27/2022 5:52 AM, Gary wrote:
> On 1/26/2022 8:09 PM, Bryan Simmons wrote:
>> On Wednesday, January 26, 2022 at 5:27:21 PM UTC-6,
>> j_mc...@comcast.net wrote:
>>> On 1/26/2022 5:52 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> On 2022-01-26 5:27 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> True.  We go to the dog park every day and also nice long walks in
>>>>>> the woods behind out house.  I dress up and zip up. I used to be in
>>>>>> the habit of rating cold in terms of whether or not I had to zip up
>>>>>> my coat going back and forth to the car. As I get older I find myself
>>>>>> opting for the warmth.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's important in the frigid temps you encounter to keep your core
>>>>> body temp warm so yes! to zipping that coat. :)
>>>>

>>> I was merely commenting on the reason people should zip up (or button
>>> up) their coat if they're going to be out walking around in very cold
>>> temps for any length of time. Keeping your core temp warm (it's where
>>> most of our really important internal organs are) is a good idea. Not
>>> doing so could put some extra strain on your heart and lungs since
>>> you're breathing in really cold air. So zip the coat and be warm, even
>>> just going back and forth to the car (grocery unloading, I presume). :)
>>>
>> You are the only person here who lives somewhere where the
>> temperature is fairly nice most days of the year.  I could imagine
>> ending up in Savannah.
>

It's pretty nice year round, yes. Although the temps in the last week
or so have been hitting the freezing mark overnight and the high
temperature during the day is might reach 50F. For where I live, that's
chilly. I get to wear sweaters! :)

> I doubt you would like it during the summer months. Very hot and humid.
> Without a good breeze, very stifling.
>

That's why people have air conditioners. LOL

> I've always suspected that Vegas might be a better choice. Hot but dry.
>
>

We'll have to ask Leo: Is dry, hot heat better? Oh, and do you have an
air conditioner for when it hits 110F in the summer or is simply not
having humidity enough to make 100+F feel comfortable?

Jill

[Tony]

On Thu, 27 Jan 2022 18:14:07 -0500, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

[Ophelia]

On Wednesday, January 26, 2022 at 7:02:50 AM UTC-6, jwk...@bjc.org wrote:
> BRRRRR! :-)
>
> John Kuthe, RN, BSN...

lol

[jmcquown]

Michael probably wears layers like that while in the house, too. He has
stated how much he hates turning on the heat. I don't understand being
purposefully uncomfortable if it is very cold or very hot when you have
the means to be comfortable.

Jill

[Tony]

On Thu, 27 Jan 2022 19:09:45 -0500, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

[Tony]

[Leonard Blaisdell]

On 2022-01-27, Graham <g.st...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> On 2022-01-27 12:54 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:

>> No feathers in this house. Husband is allergic.

> As was my wife. When we split, I bought a down-filled duvet:-)

I used to go on weekend hunting trips in January and slept on a
fold-out, aluminum framed canvas cot with a thin but efficient mattress
under the stars.
Occasionally, it would drop below 10F, but I never got cold. I have a decent
sleeping bag, heavy socks and down long johns.
To get below zero, I maybe would have needed a balaclava. Ah, those were
the days! I must have been nuts.

[Leonard Blaisdell]

On 2022-01-27, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net> wrote:

> We'll have to ask Leo: Is dry, hot heat better?

"They" say it is. I've never been in humid heat. I've never seen Spanish
moss. I've never been to the summit of Mount Everest. There are so many
things I've never experienced, and I'm running out of time!
But, and this is important, a energy efficient swamp cooler works real well
with dry heat ;-)

leo

[jmcquown]

Goofy fact: Spanish Moss is distantly related to pineapple. ;) Swamp
coolers don't work well with humid so I guess you are doing okay. :)

Jill

[Dave Smith]

It's usually pretty humid here sitting between two of the Great Lakes.
Cold is colder and hot is hotter. We start melting by the time it hits
80F. When I went to California it was generally in the low 90s and was
quite comfortable. When we were up by Soledad it was 113. It was hot but
not really uncomfortable. Hiking around in a redwood forest at 105 was
comfortably hot.

Our winters generally hover in the 15-39 range. You need to bundle up.
Further north the temperatures are much lower, but it doesn't feel as
cold. When it gets really cold you need to bundle up and keep covered to
protect from frostbite, but usually much more comfortable.

I worked outside and I found that the worst month was November. The cold
damp weather was raw and chilled to the bone.

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 1/27/2022 8:47 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

I've been to LV in August a couple of times. When you hit 100 it is not
no matter where you are but not as bad a Florida in August. Swamp
coolers don't work here.

Never been to Mt. Everest either, but have been to Death Valley. Easier
to get to.

[Tony]

On 28 Jan 2022 01:30:51 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell

Uhm, Ghe Ghe Ghe. This is my not frogger. Yes. Ghe Ghe Ghe
:)))))))))))

[Tony]

On Thu, 27 Jan 2022 21:20:07 -0500, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

[Tonio]

[dsi1]

My in-laws in Oroville, CA use a swamp cooler. It's quite effective. They live in a freakin tinderbox - at least it was when I was there. It looked like the entire place could explode in a ball of flame at any moment.
My sons are in Las Vegas attending a gaming competition. One of them is going to see Penn & Teller this evening. What a fun place!

[Michael Trew]

Typically, a couple of layers, and if I'm settled in for the evening, at
minimum pajamas, thick slipper/boots, and a thick fuzzy robe. Doesn't
matter if I crank the heat up to 70, it just wastes gas, because I can
feel the drafts coming through -- those are what make it miserable. I
still regret the ceramic tile floor in the kitchen. I might put
linoleum over it in the spring. It helped putting one of those cloth
draft stoppers under the front door.

These old homes were designed to breathe, and they were also designed
for cheap plentiful coal heat. I've been in a home with a gravity
furnace powered by coal. WOW, what nice hot soothing heat. Extra work
be darned, if I found a house with a coal furnace, I'd keep it if anyone
still delivers coal.

[Michael Trew]

On 1/27/2022 17:41, Hank Rogers wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2022-01-27 2:30 p.m., Michael Trew wrote:
>>> On 1/26/2022 10:22, Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>>>> My standard garb for winter is jeans, knit socks, a Tshirt and a
>>>> fleecie
>>>> sweaters. When go out I put on my parka and a toque and wrap a scarf
>>>> around my neck. If it is below 20 I put on gloves.
>>>

>>> You polar bear people are crazy. I put 2-3 layers if I'm out for

>>> more than 10 minutes, thick coat/gloves/scarf if it's near freezing.
>>
>> I am not much closer to polar bears than you are. If I am going out
>> for just a few minutes I likely don't bother with a jacket. My
>> typical winter garb is a T shirt and a fleecie or microfiber sweater.
>> Type of jacket depends on hour cold it is. Always a hat, but I sport a
>> solar panel so I need to protect it from sun in the summer and cold in
>> the winter.

I read your first comment incorrectly, I thought it read "20 degrees
below" you put your gloves on. Brr!! I now realized you meant below 20
above. Wait; are we talking Fahrenheit or Centigrade?

Canada might as well be Eskimo land to me. Just a few states north of
me, I can't even tolerate the temperatures in August evenings for
camping (50-some degree F lows)... I have to haul a few comforters with
me.

> Is the solar panel mounted to your hat, or your head?

LOL!! I didn't catch that the first time.

[Michael Trew]

Isn't that some kind of Russian or Turkish dessert?

[Ronny]

Russian, Turkish, same thing.

[Leonard Blaisdell]

That's a baklava. Close though.

[Leonard Blaisdell]

On 2022-01-28, dsi1 <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:

> My in-laws in Oroville, CA use a swamp cooler. It's quite effective. They live in a freakin tinderbox - at least it was when I was there. It looked like the entire place could explode in a ball of flame at any moment.

Yes, it could. I houseboated on Lake Oroville once. The dam blew a few
years ago. I suppose it's fixed.

> My sons are in Las Vegas attending a gaming competition. One of them is going to see Penn & Teller this evening. What a fun place!

If I went out to shows anymore, Penn & Teller would be near the top of
my list.

[dsi1]

The Oroville dam held - thank god. A part of the spillway failed though. The fun part was that the broken parts washed gold downstream. Some big chunks were worth hundreds of thousands of bucks. You probably didn't hear about that - the folks down in Oroville ain't dumb! For the help of our non-Spanish speaking friends, "oro" means gold.

[Ronny]

[Gary]

Graham wrote:

> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> No feathers in this house.  Husband is allergic.

> As was my wife. When we split, I bought a down-filled duvet:-)

Did you send it to her as a parting gift? lol

My wife was always annoyed with those chia pet commercials.
"What a stupid gift."
After we split, I was tempted for a few years to send her one as a
birthday or Christmas gift.

She would have laughed and appreciated the joke.

[Ronny]

That's the first time, that I know of, that someone in RFC says
something positive about their ex. Everybody else always acts as if
they'd married and divorced the devil. Which makes them look really
stupid, of course. I mean, why marry the devil?

[Gary]

On 1/27/2022 4:15 PM, Graham wrote:
> On 2022-01-27 12:54 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>

>>> from the cold is trapped air.
>>
>> "Heaviest" = "warmest" in this context.

>>
>> No feathers in this house.  Husband is allergic.
>>

>> Cindy Hamilton

> As was my wife. When we split, I bought a down-filled duvet:-)

My wife bought me an expensive down-filled large pillow once for a gift.
Sounded really nice but is a fail for a pillow.

I tried it that night. Laid my head on it and it immediately sunk down
to nothing. So I folded it in half with the same result. I kept folding
it and folding it until it ended up being about the size of a 1" thick
washcloth. arrghh!

Down filling works great for coat insulation or top quilts but not
something to lay on and compress.

[Gary]

On 1/27/2022 5:41 PM, Hank Rogers wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2022-01-27 2:30 p.m., Michael Trew wrote:
>>> On 1/26/2022 10:22, Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>>>> My standard garb for winter is jeans, knit socks, a Tshirt and a
>>>> fleecie
>>>> sweaters. When go out I put on my parka and a toque and wrap a scarf
>>>> around my neck. If it is below 20 I put on gloves.
>>>
>>> You polar bear people are crazy.  I put 2-3 layers if I'm out for
>>> more than 10 minutes, thick coat/gloves/scarf if it's near freezing.
>>
>> I am not much closer to polar bears than you are. If I am going out
>> for just a few minutes I likely don't bother with a jacket.  My
>> typical winter garb is a T shirt and a fleecie or microfiber sweater.
>> Type of jacket depends on hour cold it is. Always a hat, but I sport a
>> solar panel so I need to protect it from sun in the summer and cold in
>> the winter.
>>
>

> Is the solar panel mounted to your hat, or your head?

I was wondering about that comment too. Why would you want to protect a
solar panel from the sun?

[Cindy Hamilton]

He's bald, for Christ's sake.

Cindy Hamilton

[Gary]

On 1/27/2022 6:14 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 1/27/2022 5:52 AM, Gary wrote (about Savannah):

>> I doubt you would like it during the summer months. Very hot and
>> humid. Without a good breeze, very stifling.
>>
> That's why people have air conditioners. LOL
>
>> I've always suspected that Vegas might be a better choice. Hot but dry.
>>
>>
> We'll have to ask Leo:  Is dry, hot heat better?  Oh, and do you have an
> air conditioner for when it hits 110F in the summer or is simply not
> having humidity enough to make 100+F feel comfortable?

Leo might not be able to compare dry vs humid. For me, I've only heard
that the dry heat isn't as bad.

Hot, humid and no wind just kills me the last few years. Don't compare
yourself to me as I've often had to work out in it all day long.

Many times I've come home from work and clothes are soaking wet from
sweat. Also many times, I've left the house in the morning and as soon
as I go outside, it feels like walking into a hot steamy bathroom after
someone just took a long hot shower.

With my problem with heat and high humidity though, I'm still fine as
long as there is some wind. Sadly, it's usually dead calm most mornings.

The moral of this story is two fold:

TGFAC (Thank God For Air Conditioning)
and
TGIDPA (Thank God I Don't Paint Anymore)

:)

[Ronny]

And the reflection from his head could damage the solar panel?

[Gary]

On 1/27/2022 7:09 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 1/27/2022 2:59 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

>> On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 2:30:06 PM UTC-5, Michael Trew wrote:
>>> On 1/26/2022 10:22, Dave Smith wrote:

>>>> On 2022-01-26 9:40 a.m., Gary wrote:
>>>>> On 1/26/2022 9:32 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>> On Wednesday, January 26, 2022 at 9:20:50 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
>>>>>>> On 1/26/2022 8:02 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
>>>>>>>> BRRRRR! :-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> John Kuthe, RN, BSN...
>>>>>>> I wouldn't even open my door at that temp. Screw that! ;)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, Princess, some of us don't think 6 F is all that cold.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It was 10 here when I left for work this morning. I didn't even
>>>>>> bother
>>>>>> with my heaviest coat.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>>
>>>>> I would dress "for BEAR" in that temp...all the layers I could find in
>>>>> my closet.
>>>>

>>>> My standard garb for winter is jeans, knit socks, a Tshirt and a
>>>> fleecie
>>>> sweaters. When go out I put on my parka and a toque and wrap a scarf
>>>> around my neck. If it is below 20 I put on gloves.
> >>

>>> You polar bear people are crazy. I put 2-3 layers if I'm out for more

>>> than 10 minutes, thick coat/gloves/scarf if it's near freezing.
>>

>> The only time I'm out for more than 10 minutes is for snow removal.
>> Then it's usually sweat pants, turtleneck, insulated (fiberfill) bib
>> overalls,
>> a sweatshirt, and a windbreaker.  Hat, scarf, gloves.  Once in a great
>> while I wear a long-john top as well.  Briskly walking up and down the
>> driveway keeps me warm, sometimes too warm.
>>
>> If I'm just going to get in the car and go somewhere, I wear a coat over
>> my indoor clothes and gloves.  A hat if it's below 20.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
> Michael probably wears layers like that while in the house, too.  He has
> stated how much he hates turning on the heat.  I don't understand being
> purposefully uncomfortable if it is very cold or very hot when you have
> the means to be comfortable.
>
> Jill

If you wear layers in the house, it's not uncomfortable.

I worked for a guy once and his wife liked AC set at 65F during the
summer. Even on a hot 90F day, he had to wear a sweater in the evening
to sit in the living room watching TV. Silly, imo.

I turn my heat off at night during most winter days. Don't need much as
I sleep under a pile of blankets. I'll turn it on once I get up in the
morning.

During summer, my inside temp stays about 80F and a fan does a good job.

[Ronny]

[Ophelia]

Baclava:)))

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baklava!

Balaclava is a hood/mask thing:))

[Gary]

Michael is not a spoiled Princess. ;)

[jmcquown]

80F inside is way too uncomfortable for me, even with fans. My mother
kept the temp set around 80F year round *and* wore layers. She was
always cold. I was sweltering. :(

Jill

[Gary]

On 1/27/2022 9:45 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> I worked outside and I found that the worst month was November. The cold
> damp weather was raw and chilled to the bone.

I've also worked outside much, Dave, and I agree with you.
Days in the 30-40F are chilly and damp and miserable.
Get out when it's 25F and dry and much more comfortable.

[jmcquown]

On 1/27/2022 2:17 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> Apparently it would be communist to have a government run system that
> provides universal health care, one where the people who sell medicare
> care for huge profits cannot make a fortune doing it. The for proft
> health care people spend a bundle lobbying the government and lying to
> people about wait times and the lack of procedures.


I had a discussion about this with the man I work for. What you said
about perceived wait times and lack of procedures is exactly what he was
saying about the universal health care system. I hope you don't mind
but I used you as an example, Dave. I told him you went in for what
they thought would be simple (heh) angioplasty to clear a blockage and
you wound up needing more extensive heart surgery. He said, "But how
long did he have to wait?" I said, "Wait for what? They didn't send
him home and put him on a waiting list." This is a common misconception.

Jill

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 1/28/2022 1:35 AM, Michael Trew wrote:

>
> Typically, a couple of layers, and if I'm settled in for the evening, at
> minimum pajamas, thick slipper/boots, and a thick fuzzy robe.  Doesn't
> matter if I crank the heat up to 70, it just wastes gas, because I can
> feel the drafts coming through -- those are what make it miserable.  I
> still regret the ceramic tile floor in the kitchen.  I might put
> linoleum over it in the spring.  It helped putting one of those cloth
> draft stoppers under the front door.

Don't. Won't be much better. Smooth surfaces feel colder because they
give better skin contact to draw your body heat. You'd be better off
just using a throw rug or mat where you stand for a time while prepping
and cooking.

[Janet]

In article <j5h0a8...@mid.individual.net>,
leobla...@sbcglobal.net says...

>
> On 2022-01-27, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net> wrote:
>

> > We'll have to ask Leo: Is dry, hot heat better?
>
>

> "They" say it is. I've never been in humid heat. I've never seen Spanish
> moss. I've never been to the summit of Mount Everest. There are so many
> things I've never experienced, and I'm running out of time!
> But, and this is important, a energy efficient swamp cooler works real well
> with dry heat ;-)
>
> leo

To those of us who have been in dry hot heat (deserts and hot dry
mountains in the Middle East, Africa. Central Australia. The "dry
season" in NT Australia).

Versus the wet/monsoon season in tropics of NT Australia, India,
Indonesia.

I'd take dry hot heat over hot wet tropics any day.

Janet UK

[Dave Smith]

I guess that was a big whoosh.

[Gary]

I have a question for bald guys.
Do any of you actually polish you head???

I saw one the other night on TV and his head was a VERY SHINY
High-Gloss. I've never seen skin shine like that. No darn way was that
a natural shine.

WTH?

[jmcquown]

Sounds like he needs to splurge on some insulation to block the drafts.

Jill

[jmcquown]

Your *favorite* "Princess" was always complaining about her house being
too hot or too cold. Hmmmmm.

Jill

[Dave Smith]

I had no long waits at all in that incident. My doctor had been away on
vacation but once he was back I was in to see him within a week. He
referred me to a cardiologist who I saw within two weeks. He sent me for
an angiogram that was within two weeks. When there were problems I was
wheeled out, prepped and sent upstairs for surgery. I was heavily
sedated so it seemed like minutes. All I know for sure was that I had
the angiogram about 11 and I woke up in the ICU that evening.

[Gary]

On 1/28/2022 10:10 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 1/28/2022 9:18 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: Smooth surfaces feel colder because

>> they give better skin contact to draw your body heat.  You'd be better
>> off just using a throw rug or mat where you stand for a time while
>> prepping and cooking.
>
> Sounds like he needs to splurge on some insulation to block the drafts.

Insulation won't help his cold kitchen floor problem. A throw rug will
solve the problem. I just wear socks all winter.

[Gary]

She left the building. YOU are the new favorite Princess here now and
often complain about all the same things. lol

[S Viemeister]

A few years ago, I suspected I might have a blood clot in my leg (I had
done a long-haul flight a week or so earlier). I called the local
medical centre, and saw the doctor within an hour. She examined me, drew
blood, and I went home. The next morning she phoned with the results,
drove to my house, delivered anticoagulants, and arranged for an
ultrasound exam at the nearest hospital. Her office arranged for
transportation, too, at no charge to me.

This was on the Scottish National Health Service.

[jmcquown]

On 1/28/2022 10:43 AM, Gary wrote:
> She left the building. YOU are the new favorite Princess here now and
> often complain about all the same things. lol

Your comparisons are not apt. I have no problem running my HVAC year
round and maintaining a comfortable temperature in the house. I shut it
off if the temps are nice and open the windows. I don't bitch about my

house being too hot or too cold.

Jill

[Dave Smith]

Socks work for me. The ceramic tile is nice and cool in the summer.

[jmcquown]

Thank you for posting this. This is the sort of thing I was trying to
explain to the man I work for. Commom misconception about National or
"universal" health care systems. He's completely snowed by the pundits
in the US who claim such a system cannot possibly work well and
efficiently. I find it odd, because he's a very intelligent man.

Jill

[S Viemeister]

To be fair, though, people see news reports on long waiting times, and
don't understand that although people with _non-urgent_ conditions do
often have to wait for treatment, this is due to the fact that truly
_urgent_ problems are given precedence over non-urgent.
And IMHO this is how it should be.

[Graham]

Just as the dry cold we experience on the Prairies is much more
comfortable than the humid cold that you have.

[jmcquown]

No, but added insulation will help with the drafty house. He says he
wears slippers. I never walk around the house barefooted, regardless of
temperature or time of year.

Jill

[jmcquown]

Agreed. Some people insist on seeing a doctor post haste for the
sniffles (pre-Covid and demanding antibiotics which won't help for the
common cold). Non-urgent matters. I'm sure if someone broke their arm
they wouldn't be told to come back next week to be fitted for a cast.

Jill