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Julie Bove

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Dec 25, 2020, 8:50:29 PM12/25/20
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Yes, I will research this online. Long story short, my new guy made the
mistake of going to Inchin Bamboo for dinner last night. It's a chain place.
Indian/Asian fusion type food, based out of TX I think. There wasn't much
open when he got there. Restaurants are either closed for good or closed
early due to Covid, and add in the holiday. He wanted a long time to try to
place an order, but they closed before he could order. They apologized, but
gave him some food for free. We couldn't tell what it was. Some kind of
chicken and noodles and way too much white rice. He had intended to eat it
in the car and then go home.

Instead, he called and asked if he could come over and heat it in my
microwave as it was cold when they gave it to him. I had made turkey and
stuffing, but I thought that wouldn't appeal to him given that he is from
Tanzania. I am not familiar with their cuisine. He does cook. He even has a
rice pot that he loves. Said he made chicken soup in it. The soup had
potatoes, carrots, other vegetables and was seasoned with and ginger and
cilantro. So I know those two things.

But... Whatever this crap was that they gave him, couldn't be helped even
with the tiny container of red sauce that they gave him. So he began looking
in my kitchen for something with heat to it. All I could think of was
Mexican type salsas and such or red pepper flakes. I did have Sirracha. But
it's gone now. So... What sort of things should I buy if a similar situation
arises? As in prepared sauces or spices? Oh and, although he didn't eat much
of the food, it gave him stomach pains.

And... I you eat this kind of food, what are some dishes I could make that
don't involve perishable items that I might not have. I will research it but
want a dish or two that I can make on the fly if I need to. He mentioned
something with coconut and bananas and also Chapatti (sp?) or Roti that his
aunt makes. He said he was eating that daily but it raised his cholesterol
so had to give it up. He now tries to eat a lower fat diet. I can make
really good pita bread so he might like that.

Thanks!

Hank Rogers

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Dec 25, 2020, 9:06:05 PM12/25/20
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What's the new gardener's name?


GM

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Dec 25, 2020, 9:27:38 PM12/25/20
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Is he "colored"..???

--
Best
Greg

Julie Bove

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Dec 26, 2020, 12:36:05 AM12/26/20
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"Hank Rogers" <Nos...@invalid.com> wrote in message
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There's no new gardener. The old one is still here and working just fine.

Julie Bove

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Dec 26, 2020, 12:37:04 AM12/26/20
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"GM" <gregorymorr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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OMG. He is not a gardener and yes, he's black.

Sqwertz

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Dec 26, 2020, 2:12:21 AM12/26/20
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Sounds like word went out on the Mooch Wire about you. You
immediately switch into catering/bowing mode rather than simply
asking him, "I have some turkey and stuffing I just made. Try
some". Instead he just invites himself over and ransacks the
kitchen frore Intel (under the guise of 'need spicy')

You need to lay off the Tinder, lady. You're looking for love in all
the wrong places. Is he at least well-hung? At least bigger than
the tiny Cannoli? I think you want more inner-African for that.
The outer Africans are original and infamous scam artists - I've
gotten email from every King in Africa who's on the run trying to
stash his billions in loot into my bank account.

-sw

Sqwertz

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Dec 26, 2020, 2:13:50 AM12/26/20
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On Fri, 25 Dec 2020 21:36:52 -0800, Julie Bove wrote:

> OMG. He is not a gardener and yes, he's black.

That's really all you came here to tell us. It took your four
paragraphs, though.

-sw

Pamela

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Dec 26, 2020, 4:02:48 AM12/26/20
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Squirt why don't you get a girlfriend? It might release some of that
pent-up tetchiness you keep displaying here. Good sex can have that
effect. Try it.

Master Bruce

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Dec 26, 2020, 4:41:28 AM12/26/20
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On Sat, 26 Dec 2020 09:02:23 GMT, Pamela <pamela...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Didn't he once describe here how he'd been snogging with Greg Sorrow?

cshenk

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Dec 26, 2020, 7:00:13 AM12/26/20
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I googled it too as I know nothing of them.

Here's one that would be all shelf stable things: Wali wa Nazi, is a
stove top rice dish. No cholesterol of note.

Looks like a lot of coconut milk is used. Can get it canned or
powdered. Sadly bananas aren't shelf stable and I don't think you can
use 'dried' there for the same effects. Cornmeal is common and is made
to a mush. Pita bread is close to their flatbread so probably works.

It says in several pages they tend to milder indian spices. Looks a
bit like 'less is more' with the spice amounts and I noted sesame,
cumin seeds, and cilantro were common.

Gary

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Dec 26, 2020, 8:28:29 AM12/26/20
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Sqwertz wrote:
> The outer Africans are original and infamous scam artists - I've
> gotten email from every King in Africa who's on the run trying to
> stash his billions in loot into my bank account.

--------------------------------------------------------------
Reuters:
"Nigerian man dies and authorities find 27 billion dollars stacked in
his apartment. He had been trying to give it away for 15 years but no
one would return his emails."
---------------------------------------------------------------




jmcquown

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Dec 26, 2020, 11:02:12 AM12/26/20
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On 12/26/2020 2:12 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Dec 2020 17:50:15 -0800, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> Yes, I will research this online. Long story short, my new guy made the
>> mistake of going to Inchin Bamboo for dinner last night. It's a chain place.
>> Indian/Asian fusion type food, based out of TX I think. There wasn't much
>> open when he got there. Restaurants are either closed for good or closed
>> early due to Covid, and add in the holiday. He wanted a long time to try to
>> place an order, but they closed before he could order. They apologized, but
>> gave him some food for free. We couldn't tell what it was. Some kind of
>> chicken and noodles and way too much white rice. He had intended to eat it
>> in the car and then go home.
>>
>> Instead, he called and asked if he could come over and heat it in my
>> microwave as it was cold when they gave it to him. I had made turkey and
>> stuffing, but I thought that wouldn't appeal to him given that he is from
>> Tanzania.
(snip)
> Sounds like word went out on the Mooch Wire about you. You
> immediately switch into catering/bowing mode rather than simply
> asking him, "I have some turkey and stuffing I just made. Try
> some". Instead he just invites himself over and ransacks the
> kitchen frore Intel (under the guise of 'need spicy')
>
Hey, he did call first! But you're right, why assume turkey and
stuffing wouldn't appeal to him? Maybe that's what he really wanted, an
invitation to Christmas dinner.

Another thought is the guy [alledgedly] cooks and owns a rice pot yet he
had to go to her house to use *her* microwave. There are plenty of
other ways to reheat food, up to and including that rice pot.

What about the pandemic lockdown? What's this guy doing out and about
when everyone is supposed to stay at home? He waits until Christmas day
to try a restaurant but they're closing so they give him free food.
Yeah, because that's what restaurants in dire need of money to stay
afloat during a pandemic do.

If she wants to know what this guy likes to eat she should be asking
him. Even if there were a dozen Tanzanians on this ng doesn't mean they
all like the same food. According to Wikipedia "The United Nations
estimated Tanzania's 2018 population at 56.31 million." Lots of room for
variation.

> You need to lay off the Tinder, lady. You're looking for love in all
> the wrong places. Is he at least well-hung? At least bigger than
> the tiny Cannoli? I think you want more inner-African for that.
> The outer Africans are original and infamous scam artists - I've
> gotten email from every King in Africa who's on the run trying to
> stash his billions in loot into my bank account.
>
> -sw
>
He was a Nigerian Prince and I got all of his money! ;)

Jill

Julie Bove

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Dec 26, 2020, 11:16:52 PM12/26/20
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"Sqwertz" <sqwe...@gmail.invalid> wrote in message
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No. I asked about the cuisine. Ugali is the most widely eaten dish. It is
served with some kind of cooked greens or a salad that's very similar to
Pico De Gallo. I have ordered the corn flour for the Ugali.

Beyond that, I am still looking into it. Seems that beans and rice are
common, but I need the correct seasonings. I am on a website now that
mentions eggs and potatoes.

If you have anything Germaine to this cuisine, I'd appreciate it.

Julie Bove

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Dec 26, 2020, 11:22:46 PM12/26/20
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"Sqwertz" <sqwe...@gmail.invalid> wrote in message
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No. He already had food. And since he asked about adding heat, I knew not to
offer my bland meal.
>
> You need to lay off the Tinder, lady. You're looking for love in all
> the wrong places. Is he at least well-hung? At least bigger than
> the tiny Cannoli? I think you want more inner-African for that.
> The outer Africans are original and infamous scam artists - I've
> gotten email from every King in Africa who's on the run trying to
> stash his billions in loot into my bank account.

I've never been on Tinder. I know nothing about it. Nigerians are famous for
scamming. He has lived here for 20 years and works three jobs. As for the
rest.... You nasty!

Julie Bove

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Dec 26, 2020, 11:23:29 PM12/26/20
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"Pamela" <pamela...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Do you really think he could?

Julie Bove

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Dec 26, 2020, 11:27:24 PM12/26/20
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"cshenk" <csh...@cox.net> wrote in message
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Thanks! I just got a can of coconut milk. Most of the sauce and seasoning
that arrived today are of the Asian or Indian type.From my research, Indian
cuisine is common there. I found an egg and potato dish that is common there
but I need to find the seasonings. No clue what dhania leaves are.

Janet

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Dec 27, 2020, 10:08:23 AM12/27/20
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In article <rs91rf$a2p$1...@dont-email.me>, juli...@frontier.com says...
>
> "Sqwertz" <sqwe...@gmail.invalid> wrote in message
> news:wyucrool2j1z$.dlg@sqwertz.com...
> > On Fri, 25 Dec 2020 21:36:52 -0800, Julie Bove wrote:
> >
> >> OMG. He is not a gardener and yes, he's black.
> >
> > That's really all you came here to tell us. It took your four
> > paragraphs, though.
>
> No. I asked about the cuisine.



But you didn't ask him, the real-life face-to-face source of all the
answers and information you require abouy his preferred food. Why is
that?

There is no (single) Tanzanian cuisine.

FYI the continent of Africa is far more ethnically diverse than USA
(and correspondingly more diverse in cultures, languages, religions,
cuisines).

Every country within Africa has its own long history of migration,
wars, invasion, foreign colonialisation, and occupation. Including
Tanzania, which has at least a thousand years of sea trade with the
Middle East, Far East: India and Arabia, Pakistan, Iran etc.

Janet UK





cshenk

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Dec 27, 2020, 11:28:05 AM12/27/20
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Cilantro, otherwise known as coriander leaves. Dried is easy to find.
You see it in my above.

I think the main note I gathered is they use a light hand with spices
(herbs count) and actual 'hot' isn't much hot. Peppers for example
seemed to stay the Anaheim level.

So what spices did you get?

Also while looking at Cod recipes, I came across a seafood stew that
seemed like a reasonable fit. It had a combination milk/flour/butter
base with added coconut milk. It used whole crushed Cardamom, Dried
Cilantro, and Black pepper.

I fortunately copied the gist down as hunting for a link didn't work
well (kept getting Thai with hot peppers and lemon grass).

2 tblspn butter
2 tblspn flour

mix to a roux, may toast the flour a little at the start for a brown
one. Add crushed cardamom, about 2 tsp and let rest as you whisk a bit
more, like 1/2 minute. Some add a minced 2tblspns of a mild chile such
as Ahaheim at this stage.

Turn off and slowly add 1 cup milk, whisking to prevent lumps.

Add 1/2 - 3/3 cup cut up boneless fish, white types vastly preferred.
Cod, Snapper, Tilapia would be easy to get where you are.

Turn heat on and warm until you see tiny bubbles to the edges, then add
1/2c coconut milk, and 1/2cup frozen vegetables (spinach if fresh tops
the list, peas are common), finish with 1/4tsp black pepper then heat
to bare simmer and serve.

If you put all the stuff out before you start, this takes about 20
minutes from start to finish. Plate and if you have fresh cilantro,
top with that. If not, Dried is acceptable.

BTW, in a pinch, can use canned chicken for the fish but it's a
different dish then.

In a pinch, canned chunk chicken will work. Mustard greens can be used
for the vegetable. Tumeric often used to make it a lively color. The
fish can be leftover cooked if it wasn't fried or breaded.

Did I track that you get fish at times? I jotted this one down as have
leftover Cod from XMAS dinner.

Sqwertz

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Dec 27, 2020, 12:49:15 PM12/27/20
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On Sat, 26 Dec 2020 20:16:40 -0800, Julie Bove wrote:

> some kind of cooked greens or a salad that's very similar to
> Pico De Gallo.

Say WHAT!?!?

You have the worst Google on earth.

-sw

Sqwertz

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Dec 27, 2020, 12:58:14 PM12/27/20
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But he hadn't tasted it yet. He said the only heat he needed was a
microwave.... Hello! Julie! Knock Knock on Cranium!

> He has lived here for 20 years and works three jobs...

I really doubt that.

What about the hung part? You know you want to... And you don't
have any girlfriends to discuss it with.

-sw

cshenk

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Dec 27, 2020, 2:12:35 PM12/27/20
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No, actually I saw that too. Both are served with Ugali, which I
referenced as the cornmeal sort of mush made to a ball.

Did you even try looking up foods from there or are you just assuming?

cshenk

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Dec 27, 2020, 2:39:18 PM12/27/20
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Get lost Steve. LOTS of people have to piecemeal more than 1 job today.


His 3rd is apt to be some sort of on demand seasonal sort that fits in
on the edges of the 2.

Sqwertz

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Dec 27, 2020, 4:46:01 PM12/27/20
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> Get lost Steve. LOTS of people have to piecemeal more than 1 job today.
>
> His 3rd is apt to be some sort of on demand seasonal sort that fits in
> on the edges of the 2.

Are you sure about that or just guessing like me? (rhetorical
question)

-sw

Sqwertz

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Dec 27, 2020, 4:49:16 PM12/27/20
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Cooked greens or a salad that similar to pico de gallo? I didn't
need to.

Get lost Carol!

-sw

Bryan Simmons

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Dec 27, 2020, 4:50:30 PM12/27/20
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The gardener is horny as a goat, and the Tanzarian is hung like a
giraffe.
> >
> > And you don't have any girlfriends to discuss it with.
> >
And you're offering to stand in for the girlfriends. That's so sweet.
> >
> > -sw
>
> Get lost Steve. LOTS of people have to piecemeal more than 1 job today.
>
Julie could trade her bland meal for his hot piece. You know what
they say about divorcees.
>
--Bryan

Bryan Simmons

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Dec 27, 2020, 5:00:02 PM12/27/20
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It's seasonal. When Julie is *in season*, he's "on demand."
>
> -sw

--Bryan

silver...@charter.net

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Dec 27, 2020, 5:13:56 PM12/27/20
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On Friday, December 25, 2020 at 8:50:29 PM UTC-5, juli...@frontier.com wrote:
> Yes, I will research this online.

Etc.

And I thought, "Cool! I know quite a bit about Tanzanian cuisine, including home-cooking, street/fast, and restaurant food. Personal experiences. I'll be happy to share what I know and I look forward to a discussion about it!"

But of course, this being RFC in 2020, the thread immediately took a dive into the sewer and stayed there.

Jesus F'ing Christ, people.

--
Silvar Beitel

Master Bruce

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Dec 27, 2020, 5:41:00 PM12/27/20
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The times they are a-changing. But why not say your piece and ignore
the noise?

cshenk

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Dec 27, 2020, 6:27:43 PM12/27/20
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https://www.pinterest.com/pin/397301998354782370/

Here's just one. Plenty of others. They don't cal it that but it's
close enough to be a similar item. LOADS of cooked greens too.

cshenk

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Dec 27, 2020, 6:29:48 PM12/27/20
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Lots of people don't live in a hole in the ground and know how things
are for the younger generations. You might find it interesting to wake
up and look around.

cshenk

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Dec 27, 2020, 6:38:37 PM12/27/20
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How about talk to the normal folks here, just curious to learn more? I
just googled it a bit. Interesting.

It sounds like they have a lot of interesting and different street
foods. Like many, they blend food cultures. I did find references to
more spicy-hot things, but it seems more of a side?

Julie Bove

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Dec 27, 2020, 11:59:18 PM12/27/20
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"Janet" <nob...@home.org> wrote in message
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> In article <rs91rf$a2p$1...@dont-email.me>, juli...@frontier.com says...
>>
>> "Sqwertz" <sqwe...@gmail.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:wyucrool2j1z$.dlg@sqwertz.com...
>> > On Fri, 25 Dec 2020 21:36:52 -0800, Julie Bove wrote:
>> >
>> >> OMG. He is not a gardener and yes, he's black.
>> >
>> > That's really all you came here to tell us. It took your four
>> > paragraphs, though.
>>
>> No. I asked about the cuisine.
>
>
>
> But you didn't ask him, the real-life face-to-face source of all the
> answers and information you require abouy his preferred food. Why is
> that?

We can discuss it. I showed him the seasonings and sauces that I bought so
far.He merely nodded and said nothing. But he was on his way to work. Some
Amazon boxes arrived as he was leaving. We looked in there. No spices.
Should come in a day or three.
>
> There is no (single) Tanzanian cuisine.
>
> FYI the continent of Africa is far more ethnically diverse than USA
> (and correspondingly more diverse in cultures, languages, religions,
> cuisines).

Right. The African restaurants here all seem to be Ethiopian. That cuisine
is far different than that of Tanzania, from what I have read. They have a
lot of Indian food in Tanzania. So I know now, I can make two dishes. I
ordered the corn flour for one and will need to make sure I have eggs for
the other. I know he eats eggs.
>
> Every country within Africa has its own long history of migration,
> wars, invasion, foreign colonialisation, and occupation. Including
> Tanzania, which has at least a thousand years of sea trade with the
> Middle East, Far East: India and Arabia, Pakistan, Iran etc.

Right.

Julie Bove

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Dec 28, 2020, 12:15:26 AM12/28/20
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"cshenk" <csh...@cox.net> wrote in message
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I have dried cilantro. Personally I don't think it can hold a candle to
fresh, but fresh doesn't keep for long and it seems there's always too much
when I buy it. When I looked up the name, it said Coriander. So I ordered
that. The powder. But now I think maybe that might be the powdererd seeds.
No matter, Coriander is commonly used in that cuisine from what I have read.
>
> I think the main note I gathered is they use a light hand with spices
> (herbs count) and actual 'hot' isn't much hot. Peppers for example
> seemed to stay the Anaheim level.

Wow! That's not hot at all.
>
> So what spices did you get?

Jolof rice seasoning, Coriander, Harissa paste, various curry paste/sauce,
chile garlic sauce, various Thai and Asian sauces. Still waiting for Piri
Piri sauce and Peri Peri seasoning. I think I am leaving some things out.
Also American type hot sauces like Tabasco and Jalapeno sauce. I love
Jalapeno sauce but haven't had any in some time. I will get some fresh
giunger the next time I go to a brick and mortar store, if they have it. The
dried ginger has gone way up in price. I got 8 oz. last year for around $8.
Now, the smallest container is around $4. I didn't buy cloves. If I see a
deal on them, I will. Right now, most of my spices are from the Dollar store
because the other person who lives here has a very heavy hand with such
things and no sense of flavor profile. Such as using an entire bottle
(small) of sesame oil to cook ground beef. That had to have tasted as awful
as it smelled.
>
> Also while looking at Cod recipes, I came across a seafood stew that
> seemed like a reasonable fit. It had a combination milk/flour/butter
> base with added coconut milk. It used whole crushed Cardamom, Dried
> Cilantro, and Black pepper.
>
> I fortunately copied the gist down as hunting for a link didn't work
> well (kept getting Thai with hot peppers and lemon grass).
>
> 2 tblspn butter
> 2 tblspn flour
>
> mix to a roux, may toast the flour a little at the start for a brown
> one. Add crushed cardamom, about 2 tsp and let rest as you whisk a bit
> more, like 1/2 minute. Some add a minced 2tblspns of a mild chile such
> as Ahaheim at this stage.
>
> Turn off and slowly add 1 cup milk, whisking to prevent lumps.
>
> Add 1/2 - 3/3 cup cut up boneless fish, white types vastly preferred.
> Cod, Snapper, Tilapia would be easy to get where you are.

Yeah. I just never buy fish as I can't the taste or the smell of it cooking.
I did get some frozen fish from Winco once but it wasn't labeled as to what
it was. I wound up giving it to a friend and she couldn't figure it out
either.
>
> Turn heat on and warm until you see tiny bubbles to the edges, then add
> 1/2c coconut milk, and 1/2cup frozen vegetables (spinach if fresh tops
> the list, peas are common), finish with 1/4tsp black pepper then heat
> to bare simmer and serve.
>
> If you put all the stuff out before you start, this takes about 20
> minutes from start to finish. Plate and if you have fresh cilantro,
> top with that. If not, Dried is acceptable.

Thanks.
>
> BTW, in a pinch, can use canned chicken for the fish but it's a
> different dish then.
>
> In a pinch, canned chunk chicken will work. Mustard greens can be used
> for the vegetable. Tumeric often used to make it a lively color. The
> fish can be leftover cooked if it wasn't fried or breaded.

Oh yes! I did get turmeric. I always have canned chicken.
>
> Did I track that you get fish at times? I jotted this one down as have
> leftover Cod from XMAS dinner.

I only bought the fish once, when Justin was big into cooking his own food.
And then he left for a time so I gave the fish to a friend. Normally the
only fish I buy is tuna in a pouch, but every few years, I might buy fish
sticks. Thanks!

Julie Bove

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Dec 28, 2020, 12:18:10 AM12/28/20
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"Sqwertz" <sqwe...@gmail.invalid> wrote in message
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I don't use Google. Let me see if I can find the link. Yep.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kachumbari

Julie Bove

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Dec 28, 2020, 12:22:38 AM12/28/20
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"cshenk" <csh...@cox.net> wrote in message
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> Sqwertz wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 26 Dec 2020 20:16:40 -0800, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> > some kind of cooked greens or a salad that's very similar to
>> > Pico De Gallo.
>>
>> Say WHAT!?!?
>>
>> You have the worst Google on earth.
>>
>> -sw
>
> No, actually I saw that too. Both are served with Ugali, which I
> referenced as the cornmeal sort of mush made to a ball.

Yes. I did order the flour for the Ugali. The greens are usually Kale or
Collard but sometimes Spinach.
>
> Did you even try looking up foods from there or are you just assuming?

He must be assuming.

I didn't find a lot of stuff online for this. But I was mainly trying to
figure out what source of heat he might want when he said he wanted to add
heat to the dish. I didn't even realize that I had the chile/garlic sauce
when he asked. I don't remember buying it. I do have asst. Mexican type
salsas but the food he had came from an Asian/Indian fusion type place some
I don't think that would have worked.

Julie Bove

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Dec 28, 2020, 12:24:35 AM12/28/20
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"Sqwertz" <sqwe...@gmail.invalid> wrote in message
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Here's the link again Steve: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kachumbari

And this one with the pretty pic. You can see the Ugali sitting on top of
the greens and the salad!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ugali

Swagbucks for the win!

Julie Bove

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Dec 28, 2020, 12:28:18 AM12/28/20
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"Sqwertz" <sqwe...@gmail.invalid> wrote in message
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He not only tasted it *after* he took it from the microwave but also added
the tiny container of red sauce they gave him. They did not tell him what
the dish was except for chicken. I saw as he picked through it. Precious
little chicken but lots of noodles in a brown sauce.
>
>> He has lived here for 20 years and works three jobs...
>
> I really doubt that.

Do you think I care?
>
> What about the hung part? You know you want to... And you don't
> have any girlfriends to discuss it with.

I have plenty of friends, most of them guys. *They* might want to hear such
things. My female friends do not.

I have no complaints. I'll just leave it at that.

Julie Bove

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"cshenk" <csh...@cox.net> wrote in message
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He has a full time job and works for two delivery companies on weekends, but
one doesn't pay very much so he only does that one when there is no
available work with the better paying one. And only if he's already in that
area. Thing is, a lot of his deliveries are in this area, so he can take a
break and come see me. He can chose which jobs he wants to do. As in choose
to work or not to work.

Julie Bove

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"cshenk" <csh...@cox.net> wrote in message
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My BF is not that much younger than me. Jobs are hard to find here these
days because so much is closed. But we have been asked to stay home. So
deliveries from stores and restaurants are at an all time high. I was
shocked at the amount of people who get food deliveries daily in this city.
Sometimes spending $100 and up per meal for a family style meal. Many
restaurants are offering that now. Heck, I don't even spend that much in a
week for food unless I'm really low on stuff and need a big stock up.

Julie Bove

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"silver...@charter.net" <silver...@charter.net> wrote in message
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I would appreciate the discussion. I know there used to be an African poster
here. Carol? I think. Haven't seen a post from her in a while.

Gary

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Julie Bove wrote:

>>> > > Long story short, my new guy
>>> > > made the mistake of going to Inchin Bamboo for dinner last night.
>>> > > It's a chain place. Indian/Asian fusion type food, based out of
>>> > > TX I think. There wasn't much open when he got there.
>>> > > Restaurants are either closed for good or closed early due to
>>> > > Covid, and add in the holiday. He wanted a long time to try to
>>> > > place an order, but they closed before he could order. They
>>> > > apologized, but gave him some food for free. We couldn't tell
>>> > > what it was. Some kind of chicken and noodles and way too much
>>> > > white rice. He had intended to eat it in the car and then go home.
>>> > >
>>> > > Instead, he called and asked if he could come over and heat it in
>>> > > my microwave as it was cold when they gave it to him. I had made
>>> > > turkey and stuffing, but I thought that wouldn't appeal to him
>>> > > given that he is from Tanzania. I am not familiar with their
>>> > > cuisine. He does cook. He even has a rice pot that he loves.
>>> > > Said he made chicken soup in it. The soup had potatoes, carrots,
>>> > > other vegetables and was seasoned with and ginger and cilantro.
>>> > > So I know those two things.
>>> > >
>>> > > But... Whatever this crap was that they gave him, couldn't be
>>> > > helped even with the tiny container of red sauce that they gave
>>> > > him.

IMO, one shouldn't complain about free food.
Also...now you have a *new* guy? And now you're looking for ingredients
to cook Tanzanian food for him too?

If you're so worried about Covid virus that you won't even leave the
house to shop for food, why do you invite a 2nd guy into your house that
comes and goes and could also bring the virus home to you?

And, no, not even Bothell forbids grocery shopping.

You're NOT self isolating at all. Either one of those men could bring
you the virus. You're not being very safe.






Dave Smith

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On 2020-12-28 12:17 a.m., Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "Sqwertz" <sqwe...@gmail.invalid> wrote in message
> news:fd02feho...@sqwertz.com...
>> On Sat, 26 Dec 2020 20:16:40 -0800, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>>> some kind of cooked greens or a salad that's very similar to
>>> Pico De Gallo.
>>
>> Say WHAT!?!?
>>
>> You have the worst Google on earth.
>
> I don't use Google. Let me see if I can find the link. Yep.



Is that how you can remain willfully ignorant?

Graham

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But do you take into account the amount of food you profess to throw out?

Sheldon Martin

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And honest.

Hank Rogers

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Doesn't look like yoose will get any squirting pussy Popeye.


Sqwertz

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On Sun, 27 Dec 2020 20:59:05 -0800, Julie Bove wrote:

> We can discuss it. I showed him the seasonings and sauces that I bought so
> far.He merely nodded and said nothing. But he was on his way to work. Some
> Amazon boxes arrived as he was leaving. We looked in there. No spices.
> Should come in a day or three.

What else have you bought him so far?

-sw\

Sqwertz

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On Sun, 27 Dec 2020 21:22:26 -0800, Julie Bove wrote:

> "cshenk" <csh...@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:Ffydnf_PL7EFQXXC...@giganews.com...
>> Sqwertz wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 26 Dec 2020 20:16:40 -0800, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>> > some kind of cooked greens or a salad that's very similar to
>>> > Pico De Gallo.
>>>
>>> Say WHAT!?!?
>>>
>>> You have the worst Google on earth.
>>>
>>> -sw
>>
>> No, actually I saw that too. Both are served with Ugali, which I
>> referenced as the cornmeal sort of mush made to a ball.
>
> Yes. I did order the flour for the Ugali. The greens are usually Kale or
> Collard but sometimes Spinach.

Aren't you on a severely limited budget, but now supporting two
mooches?

News Flash: You're not his only victim.

-0sw

Sqwertz

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On Sun, 27 Dec 2020 21:24:22 -0800, Julie Bove wrote:

> "Sqwertz" <sqwe...@gmail.invalid> wrote in message
> news:fmgun9xn4qjz$.dlg@sqwertz.com...
>> On Sun, 27 Dec 2020 13:12:24 -0600, cshenk wrote:
>>
>>> Sqwertz wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 26 Dec 2020 20:16:40 -0800, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> some kind of cooked greens or a salad that's very similar to
>>>>> Pico De Gallo.
>>>>
>>>> Say WHAT!?!?
>>>>
>>>> You have the worst Google on earth.
>>>>
>>>> -sw
>>>
>>> No, actually I saw that too. Both are served with Ugali, which I
>>> referenced as the cornmeal sort of mush made to a ball.
>>>
>>> Did you even try looking up foods from there or are you just assuming?
>>
>> Cooked greens or a salad that similar to pico de gallo? I didn't
>> need to.
>>
>> Get lost Carol!
>
> Here's the link again Steve: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kachumbari

I looked it up before I posted the first time. That's nothing like
pico de gallo which is a dip/condiment, not a salad.

Your foray into African cooking with be expensive and short-lived.
It won't be long before he's allergic to cats, too.

-sw

Taxed and Spent

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Sqwertz

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There we go - gig jobs, log in and work when you want to otherwise
fuck it off. In that case, I have friends that work *12* jobs.

-sw

Master Bruce

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Yes, if pico de gallo means 'beak of rooster', I don't know what pico
de lettuce means.

Hank Rogers

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Probably a djembe.


Bryan Simmons

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It means peck of the rooster, not beak.

--Bryan

Bryan Simmons

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I like the NY Times. We pay for a subscription, but their food stuff is crappy.

--Bryan

Master Bruce

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Master Bruce

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That's a strong endorsement, coming from you.

Julie Bove

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"Gary" <g.ma...@att.net> wrote in message
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As I have said reportedly... I do not shop in Bothell. Yes, I have a new
man. That's a choice I made. I will also be going to Winco with Angela but
not sure when. Cases of Covid are down in this area. I am taking my life
back. Lockdown is supposed to end on Jan 4th. That doesn't mean it won't be
extended. I will still continue to get grocery deliveries. It's far easier
for me to do that.

Julie Bove

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"Sheldon Martin" <penm...@aol.com> wrote in message
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I never said I was self isolating. I said we were supposed to shelter in
place and we were not supposed to have visitors. I got sick of living like
that so I chose to do otherwise. My guy has been here every day but today
but the day is still young. So... He might as well be living here. I did see
Angela. I will see her again. most of the people I know here are violating
the mandate. Cases of Covid are down here. They've been feeding us false
numbers to scare us.

Julie Bove

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"Dave Smith" <adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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Shouldn't you be making some asparagus?

Julie Bove

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"Sqwertz" <sqwe...@gmail.invalid> wrote in message
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I don't know where you got that from.
>
> News Flash: You're not his only victim.

In what way have I been a victim? Buying a few spices and seasonings is no
big deal. Even if I never make food for him, I'm sure Justin will eat them.
He's not picky.

Julie Bove

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"Sqwertz" <sqwe...@gmail.invalid> wrote in message
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Not expensive. I've only bought a few things. He has two cats. Not allergic.

Julie Bove

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"Graham" <g.st...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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I throw out very little food. It's mostly vegetable trimmings.

Julie Bove

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"Sqwertz" <sqwe...@gmail.invalid> wrote in message
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Nothing.

Master Bruce

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On Mon, 28 Dec 2020 16:56:32 -0800, "Julie Bove"
<juli...@frontier.com> wrote:

>I never said I was self isolating. I said we were supposed to shelter in
>place and we were not supposed to have visitors. I got sick of living like
>that so I chose to do otherwise. My guy has been here every day but today
>but the day is still young. So... He might as well be living here. I did see
>Angela. I will see her again. most of the people I know here are violating
>the mandate. Cases of Covid are down here. They've been feeding us false
>numbers to scare us.

:)

Dave Smith

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I wish. I love asparagus. You probably don't. You only like beans, but
apparently there is some sort of conspiracy to deny you quality beans.

Dave Smith

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You should get a picnic table. They can support families of four.


cshenk

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Dec 28, 2020, 8:24:17 PM12/28/20
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Steve, give it up. She's right this time. I also sent pictures of a
version simplar, used that time to dress a fish.

https://www.allrecipes.com/recipe/203800/pico-de-gallo/

Her's wasn't identical because it's a local adaption and you know that.
She said similar and it is indeed close enough to be a relative.

Hank Rogers

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Just curious ... which tribe in Tanzania does he come from?


Graham

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On Mon, 28 Dec 2020 16:56:32 -0800, Julie Bove wrote:
Cases of Covid are down here. They've been feeding us false
> numbers to scare us.

IDIOT!

cshenk

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Julie Bove wrote:

>
> "cshenk" <csh...@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:Ffydnf_PL7EFQXXC...@giganews.com...
> > Sqwertz wrote:
> >
> > > On Sat, 26 Dec 2020 20:16:40 -0800, Julie Bove wrote:
> > >
> >>> some kind of cooked greens or a salad that's very similar to
> >>> Pico De Gallo.
> > >
> > > Say WHAT!?!?
> > >
> > > You have the worst Google on earth.
> > >
> > > -sw
> >
> > No, actually I saw that too. Both are served with Ugali, which I
> > referenced as the cornmeal sort of mush made to a ball.
>
> Yes. I did order the flour for the Ugali. The greens are usually Kale
> or Collard but sometimes Spinach.

I saw. If you were here, I could have pointed you to 3 places that
have the right flour at a good price. We have a big hispanic element
and no, few are actually from Mexico (but some are).

<referring to Steve below>
> > Did you even try looking up foods from there or are you just
> > assuming?
>
> He must be assuming.

I'd say so. I think he's not used to you googling as it's not
mentioned often but obviously you do like everone else.


> I didn't find a lot of stuff online for this. But I was mainly trying
> to figure out what source of heat he might want when he said he
> wanted to add heat to the dish. I didn't even realize that I had the
> chile/garlic sauce when he asked. I don't remember buying it. I do
> have asst. Mexican type salsas but the food he had came from an
> Asian/Indian fusion type place some I don't think that would have
> worked.

It is a different 'heat' yes. Most of my peeks didn't lead to 'bland'
when you combined to a meal. It seemed there was always something that
was fairly 'hot' in the mix.

Did you catch much on lentils in your looks? I saw a few so that might
be wortch looking into since often handy at your place. They cook
quick.

Want me to pass some possibles there? I'm looking up recipes close to
that anyways for me so it's just saving a link of any that might be of
interest.

cshenk

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Steve, if you scratch cook, a few extra shelf stable items that fit
close to her own uses, is not very expensive. Her budget isn't that
limited.

Scratch cooks feed families at 1/3 to 1/2 the cost of folks who can't
(or don't) actually cook. Example: I make bread at 47cents per 1lb
loaf. It's not only better than store crap, I can vary it for a few
more cents more but even my most expensive ones are way cheaper than
store versions.

I don't do it for cost, but because I like to cook. I of course notice
the cost is less because it's hard to not notice when others mention it
costs them 100$ a week to feed 1 adult... That's insane.

cshenk

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Julie Bove wrote:

>
> "cshenk" <csh...@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:xuOdnUEvFvlGf3XC...@giganews.com...
Ok!> >
> > Get lost Steve. LOTS of people have to piecemeal more than 1 job
> > today.
> >
> >
> > His 3rd is apt to be some sort of on demand seasonal sort that fits
> > in on the edges of the 2.
>
> He has a full time job and works for two delivery companies on
> weekends, but one doesn't pay very much so he only does that one when
> there is no available work with the better paying one. And only if
> he's already in that area. Thing is, a lot of his deliveries are in
> this area, so he can take a break and come see me. He can chose which
> jobs he wants to do. As in choose to work or not to work.


Ok! Pretty good and better than most! Times have been very hard since
COVID hit. Delivery drivers don't make a lot, but it's steady and
probably has some benefits like heathcare at reduced prices. He might
get some sick time so take a day or so of that when he wants one (some
jobs now combine that with vacation so it's all one thing).

Julie Bove

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"Dave Smith" <adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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I have a patio table.

Julie Bove

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"Hank Rogers" <Nos...@invalid.com> wrote in message
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I know nothing of tribes. He just said he is from there. He has been here
for 20 years and has family here.

Julie Bove

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"cshenk" <csh...@cox.net> wrote in message
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He has a full time job (not delivery) during the week. He makes extra money
to try to help out some of his elderly relatives.

Julie Bove

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"Dave Smith" <adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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I like most vegetables except for broccoli, asparagus, canned spinach, and
Brussel sprouts. Granted I have not tried them roasted. Raw cauliflower is
fine and a little bit cooked in something is fine. Same for cabbage. Don't
like a side or cauliflower or cabbage when cooked. Sweet potatoes are not a
favorite. I'll eat them when served, provided they're not glopped up with
marshmallows or some such thing.

The lasagna I just made has a layer of caramelized zucchini and also cooked
spinach mixed with the ricotta. I did put the powdered parmesan and perhaps
didn't mix it quite as well as I should have because out of one square, I
had two bites that seemed a little salty. I also added some red pepper
flakes to the cheese. I was trying to give it a little heat. It actually
didn't add heat but gave it a wonderful flavor.

Julie Bove

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"cshenk" <csh...@cox.net> wrote in message
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I saw bweans but not lentils. I would assume the Dal type of lentils might
be eaten. I have only done maybe an hour of research. I will look more
later.
>
> Want me to pass some possibles there? I'm looking up recipes close to
> that anyways for me so it's just saving a link of any that might be of
> interest.

Thanks! My flour arrived today. My friend in Canada said it is Maize flour
and not corn. I always assumed that maize and corn were the same. He said
they are not. He's my biggest cooking expert but he's not familiar with this
type of food.

Julie Bove

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"cshenk" <csh...@cox.net> wrote in message
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My food tastes tend towards cheap to begin with. Beans, rice, vegetables in
season. I put carrots, onions and celery in most things and bell peppers too
if they are cheap. They're not cheap now. I just got a big can of dried red
and green mixed from Augston (sp?) Farms. I prefer to buy the red and green
separately but my long time source stopped making them and these were
inexpensive. I also have a bag of frozen, mixed strips.I got some dried on
clearance at Walmart online that have an orange color. I seem to have to use
twice as much as they don't have a lot of flavor. It's a small bag and
mostly gone now.

When Angela and I were here alone, I spent $130 a week at Winco, but that
included paper and cleaning supplies, magazines and books, school supplies,
seeds and plants, cat stuff, vitamins, batteries and what not.

I rarely get any coupons these days. She still shops the way I taught her.
Look for the coupon item first, then compare the price to the others. If not
cheaper then get something else unless you really want that particular
brand. Next, look for sale and marked down signs. Again, compare the price
to others. Don't assume it is cheaper. If it's way cheaper and you know you
like it, stock up. Always keep extra things you like.

There are some things each of us are picky about. I won't drink Pepsi no
matter the price.She only likes red bell peppers. She only eats whole grain
bread.

cshenk

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Julie Bove wrote:

>
> "cshenk" <csh...@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:WdednS9clLyUK3XC...@giganews.com...
> > Julie Bove wrote:
> >
> > >
> >>"cshenk" <csh...@cox.net> wrote in message
> > > news:etSdnRJdXrNfuHrC...@giganews.com...
> >>> Julie Bove wrote:
> > > >
> >>> > Yes, I will research this online. Long story short, my new guy
> >>> > made the mistake of going to Inchin Bamboo for dinner last
> night. >>> > It's a chain place. Indian/Asian fusion type food,
> based out of >>> > TX I think. There wasn't much open when he got
> there. >>> > Restaurants are either closed for good or closed early
> due to >>> > Covid, and add in the holiday. He wanted a long time to
> try to >>> > place an order, but they closed before he could order.
> They >>> > apologized, but gave him some food for free. We couldn't
> tell >>> > what it was. Some kind of chicken and noodles and way too
> much >>> > white rice. He had intended to eat it in the car and then
> go home. >>> >
> >>> > Instead, he called and asked if he could come over and heat it
> in >>> > my microwave as it was cold when they gave it to him. I had
> made >>> > turkey and stuffing, but I thought that wouldn't appeal to
> him >>> > given that he is from Tanzania. I am not familiar with their
> >>> > cuisine. He does cook. He even has a rice pot that he loves.
> >>> > Said he made chicken soup in it. The soup had potatoes, carrots,
> >>> > other vegetables and was seasoned with and ginger and cilantro.
> >>> > So I know those two things.
> >>> >
> >>> > But... Whatever this crap was that they gave him, couldn't be
> >>> > helped even with the tiny container of red sauce that they gave
> >>> > him. So he began looking in my kitchen for something with heat
> to >>> > it. All I could think of was Mexican type salsas and such or
> red >>> > pepper flakes. I did have Sirracha. But it's gone now.
> So... >>> > What sort of things should I buy if a similar situation
> arises? >>> > As in prepared sauces or spices? Oh and, although he
> didn't eat >>> > much of the food, it gave him stomach pains.
> >>> >
> >>> > And... I you eat this kind of food, what are some dishes I could
> >>> > make that don't involve perishable items that I might not have.
> I >>> > will research it but want a dish or two that I can make on the
> >>> > fly if I need to. He mentioned something with coconut and
> bananas >>> > and also Chapatti (sp?) or Roti that his aunt makes. He
> said he >>> > was eating that daily but it raised his cholesterol so
> had to >>> > give it up. He now tries to eat a lower fat diet. I can
> make >>> > really good pita bread so he might like that.
> >>> >
> >>> > Thanks!
> > > >
> >>> I googled it too as I know nothing of them.
> > > >
> >>> Here's one that would be all shelf stable things: Wali wa Nazi,
> is a >>> stove top rice dish. No cholesterol of note.
> > > >
> >>> Looks like a lot of coconut milk is used. Can get it canned or
> >>> powdered. Sadly bananas aren't shelf stable and I don't think you
> >>> can use 'dried' there for the same effects. Cornmeal is common
> and >>> is made to a mush. Pita bread is close to their flatbread so
> >>> probably works.
> > > >
> >>> It says in several pages they tend to milder indian spices.
> Looks a >>> bit like 'less is more' with the spice amounts and I
> noted sesame, >>> cumin seeds, and cilantro were common.
> > >
> > > Thanks! I just got a can of coconut milk. Most of the sauce and
> > > seasoning that arrived today are of the Asian or Indian type.From
> > > my research, Indian cuisine is common there. I found an egg and
> > > potato dish that is common there but I need to find the
> > > seasonings. No clue what dhania leaves are.
> >
> > Cilantro, otherwise known as coriander leaves. Dried is easy to
> > find. You see it in my above.
>
> I have dried cilantro. Personally I don't think it can hold a candle
> to fresh, but fresh doesn't keep for long and it seems there's always
> too much when I buy it. When I looked up the name, it said Coriander.
> So I ordered that. The powder. But now I think maybe that might be
> the powdererd seeds. No matter, Coriander is commonly used in that
> cuisine from what I have read.

It isn't as good as fresh (or so I have been told. Cilantro tastes
like soap to me). Yes on coriander. On my googles, it was almost hard
to find a recipe that didn't seem to use it. Powdered seeds most
likely. I have whole seed here and crush as needed. Works nicely in
lentils.

> > I think the main note I gathered is they use a light hand with
> > spices (herbs count) and actual 'hot' isn't much hot. Peppers for
> > example seemed to stay the Anaheim level.
>
> Wow! That's not hot at all.

Nope but later I saw hotter ones so I could be all wrong there. Lets
ask Silver?

> > So what spices did you get?
>
> Jolof rice seasoning, Coriander, Harissa paste, various curry
> paste/sauce, chile garlic sauce, various Thai and Asian sauces. Still
> waiting for Piri Piri sauce and Peri Peri seasoning. I think I am
> leaving some things out. Also American type hot sauces like Tabasco
> and Jalapeno sauce. I love Jalapeno sauce but haven't had any in some
> time. I will get some fresh giunger the next time I go to a brick and
> mortar store, if they have it. The dried ginger has gone way up in
> price. I got 8 oz. last year for around $8. Now, the smallest
> container is around $4. I didn't buy cloves. If I see a deal on them,
> I will. Right now, most of my spices are from the Dollar store
> because the other person who lives here has a very heavy hand with
> such things and no sense of flavor profile. Such as using an entire
> bottle (small) of sesame oil to cook ground beef. That had to have
> tasted as awful as it smelled.

Sounds like a good mix there! A lot can be worked with it. BTW,
seriously IGNORE expiration dates on spices. They just lose some of the
punch so you have to use more. Stores like to mark them as 1 year
because they hope to sell more and it's like 'salt expiration dates'
for that one.

> > Also while looking at Cod recipes, I came across a seafood stew that
> > seemed like a reasonable fit. It had a combination
> > milk/flour/butter base with added coconut milk. It used whole
> > crushed Cardamom, Dried Cilantro, and Black pepper.
> >
> > I fortunately copied the gist down as hunting for a link didn't work
> > well (kept getting Thai with hot peppers and lemon grass).
> >
> > 2 tblspn butter
> > 2 tblspn flour
> >
> > mix to a roux, may toast the flour a little at the start for a brown
> > one. Add crushed cardamom, about 2 tsp and let rest as you whisk a
> > bit more, like 1/2 minute. Some add a minced 2tblspns of a mild
> > chile such as Ahaheim at this stage.
> >
> > Turn off and slowly add 1 cup milk, whisking to prevent lumps.
> >
> > Add 1/2 - 3/3 cup cut up boneless fish, white types vastly
> > preferred. Cod, Snapper, Tilapia would be easy to get where you
> > are.
>
> Yeah. I just never buy fish as I can't the taste or the smell of it
> cooking. I did get some frozen fish from Winco once but it wasn't
> labeled as to what it was. I wound up giving it to a friend and she
> couldn't figure it out either.

No problem. I'd look only for things you too would eat then as it
makes no sense to stock items you don't like.

(snips but you can make the chicken version)


> Oh yes! I did get turmeric. I always have canned chicken.
> >
> > Did I track that you get fish at times? I jotted this one down as
> > have leftover Cod from XMAS dinner.
>
> I only bought the fish once, when Justin was big into cooking his own
> food. And then he left for a time so I gave the fish to a friend.
> Normally the only fish I buy is tuna in a pouch, but every few years,
> I might buy fish sticks. Thanks!

No problem!

Did you also see a lot of chicken or vegetable stock used? That might
be a twist of mine due to my own cooking leading to it seeming more
common than it is.

Silver?

cshenk

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Dave Smith wrote:

> On 2020-12-28 12:17 a.m., Julie Bove wrote:
> >
> >"Sqwertz" <sqwe...@gmail.invalid> wrote in message
> news:fd02feho...@sqwertz.com...
> > > On Sat, 26 Dec 2020 20:16:40 -0800, Julie Bove wrote:
> > >
> > > > some kind of cooked greens or a salad that's very similar to
> > > > Pico De Gallo.
> > >
> > > Say WHAT!?!?
> > >
> > > You have the worst Google on earth.
> >
> > I don't use Google. Let me see if I can find the link. Yep.
>
>
>
> Is that how you can remain willfully ignorant?

There are other search engines. We 'call it google' but he might be
using any of several other search engines.

Don't be silly Steve, she's posting links.

Julie Bove

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Dec 28, 2020, 11:52:30 PM12/28/20
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"cshenk" <csh...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:IeSdnevJTdYAAHfC...@giganews.com...
I normally use either Swagbucks or DuckDuckGo.

Janet

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Dec 29, 2020, 5:52:48 AM12/29/20
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In article <rse4pt$6j3$1...@dont-email.me>, juli...@frontier.com says...
> Subject: Re: Cuisine of Tanzania?
> From: Julie Bove <juli...@frontier.com>
> Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking
>
>
> "Hank Rogers" <Nos...@invalid.com> wrote in message
> news:rse0h1$qds$1...@gioia.aioe.org...
> > [quoted text muted]
> >>
> >> Not expensive. I've only bought a few things. He has two cats. Not
> >> allergic.
> >
> > Just curious ... which tribe in Tanzania does he come from?
>
> I know nothing of tribes. He just said he is from there. He has been here
> for 20 years and has family here.
>

More to the point, has he left a wife and children back there?

Janet UK


Janet

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Dec 29, 2020, 6:06:20 AM12/29/20
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In article <rsdus8$70h$1...@dont-email.me>, juli...@frontier.com says...
> I never said I was self isolating. I said we were supposed to shelter in
> place and we were not supposed to have visitors. I got sick of living like
> that so I chose to do otherwise. My guy has been here every day but today
> but the day is still young. So... He might as well be living here. I did see
> Angela. I will see her again. most of the people I know here are violating
> the mandate. Cases of Covid are down here. They've been feeding us false
> numbers to scare us.
>

OMG, Julie, how can you be so stupid.

Your area has 700 new cases of covid since Christmas.

https://www.snohd.org/546/Local-Case-Counts

Bear in mind that record keeping is probably reduced during the
holidsys

Janet UK


Julie Bove

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"Janet" <nob...@home.org> wrote in message
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He's divorced. Two children in college.

Master Bruce

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Dec 29, 2020, 7:40:02 AM12/29/20
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That's none of your business, crazy old coot :)

Gary

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Dec 29, 2020, 8:56:38 AM12/29/20
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Bryan Simmons wrote:
> Master Bruce wrote:
>> Yes, if pico de gallo means 'beak of rooster', I don't know what pico
>> de lettuce means.
>
> It means peck of the rooster, not beak.

Nothing like a good bowl of rooster pecker stew. (with a slice of bread
and butter)




Gary

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Dec 29, 2020, 8:58:34 AM12/29/20
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Master Bruce wrote:

> "Julie Bove" wrote:
>> I never said I was self isolating. I said we were supposed to shelter in
>> place and we were not supposed to have visitors. I got sick of living like
>> that so I chose to do otherwise. My guy has been here every day but today
>> but the day is still young. So... He might as well be living here. I did see
>> Angela. I will see her again. most of the people I know here are violating
>> the mandate. Cases of Covid are down here. They've been feeding us false
>> numbers to scare us.

> :)

No wonder you laugh at stupid Americans. So many of us are.

This is why I always defended Trump for not warning everyone to wear
masks and stay home every chance you get. Not fair to blame him for the
many deaths in this country. Even if he had done that...still so many
idiots would have ignored the warnings just like they do now.

In a fair world, it's the idiots that ignore the warnings that should be
the ones that die, not the "collateral damage" that they cause by
spreading the virus.











jmcquown

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On 12/27/2020 6:29 PM, cshenk wrote:
> Sqwertz wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 27 Dec 2020 13:39:07 -0600, cshenk wrote:
>>
>>> Sqwertz wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Get lost Steve. LOTS of people have to piecemeal more than 1 job
>>> today.
>>>
>>> His 3rd is apt to be some sort of on demand seasonal sort that fits
>>> in on the edges of the 2.
>>
>> Are you sure about that or just guessing like me? (rhetorical
>> question)
>>
>> -sw
>
> Lots of people don't live in a hole in the ground and know how things
> are for the younger generations. You might find it interesting to wake
> up and look around.
>
Younger generations? Julie is 61. You appear to be assuming Julie's
"new guy" is a lot younger than she is.

Jill

Sqwertz

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Dec 29, 2020, 10:50:59 AM12/29/20
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On Mon, 28 Dec 2020 16:59:19 -0800, Julie Bove wrote:

> "Sqwertz" <sqwe...@gmail.invalid> wrote in message
> news:9tfqycl5w8dq$.dlg@sqwertz.com...
>> On Sun, 27 Dec 2020 21:22:26 -0800, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>>> "cshenk" <csh...@cox.net> wrote in message
>>> news:Ffydnf_PL7EFQXXC...@giganews.com...
>>>> Sqwertz wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 26 Dec 2020 20:16:40 -0800, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > some kind of cooked greens or a salad that's very similar to
>>>>> > Pico De Gallo.
>>>>>
>>>>> Say WHAT!?!?
>>>>>
>>>>> You have the worst Google on earth.
>>>>>
>>>>> -sw
>>>>
>>>> No, actually I saw that too. Both are served with Ugali, which I
>>>> referenced as the cornmeal sort of mush made to a ball.
>>>
>>> Yes. I did order the flour for the Ugali. The greens are usually Kale or
>>> Collard but sometimes Spinach.
>>
>> Aren't you on a severely limited budget, but now supporting two
>> mooches?
>
> I don't know where you got that from.

You told us that a dozen times now.

-sw

Dave Smith

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Dec 29, 2020, 11:03:56 AM12/29/20
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It's somewhat amusing the way she says things repeatedly and later tries
to deny it.

jmcquown

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Dec 29, 2020, 11:45:46 AM12/29/20
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Carol, are you nuts or totally niaeve? Part time delivery drivers who
only work when they feel like it (might want to visit Julie instead!)
aren't being offered offered healthcare benefits, sick time or vacation
days so they can drop in and heat up crappy food in Julie's microwave.
During a pandemic lockdown. Even though he has his own place to live
and at least (as far as we know) a rice pot.

Her last boyfriend was allegedly allergic to cats and also couldn't come
over because of the lockdown. Now this new guy can come in and use the
microwave and hey, he's not allergic to cats. You can't see this for
what it is?

Jill

jmcquown

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Dec 29, 2020, 12:27:52 PM12/29/20
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On 12/27/2020 5:13 PM, silver...@charter.net wrote:
> On Friday, December 25, 2020 at 8:50:29 PM UTC-5, juli...@frontier.com wrote:
>> Yes, I will research this online.
>
> Etc.
>
> And I thought, "Cool! I know quite a bit about Tanzanian cuisine, including home-cooking, street/fast, and restaurant food. Personal experiences. I'll be happy to share what I know and I look forward to a discussion about it!"
>
> But of course, this being RFC in 2020, the thread immediately took a dive into the sewer and stayed there.
>
> Jesus F'ing Christ, people.
>
Please do tell her about it, Silvar.

I would love to see some of those Tanzania recipes. The only African
food I've had was some really nice homemade Ethoipian Injera bread with
a nicely spiced lamb and vegetable stew. Delicious!

Julie is trying to impress someonw she barely knows. Her last
"boyfriend" was allergic to cats. This is a new guy. Gotta wonder
where she's finding them during a pandemic lockdown.

Jill

jmcquown

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Dec 29, 2020, 12:41:16 PM12/29/20
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On 12/28/2020 12:44 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "silver...@charter.net" <silver...@charter.net> wrote in message
> news:31205dd1-0f9f-4b21...@googlegroups.com...
>> On Friday, December 25, 2020 at 8:50:29 PM UTC-5, juli...@frontier.com
>> wrote:
>>> Yes, I will research this online.
>>
>> Etc.
>>
>> And I thought, "Cool!  I know quite a bit about Tanzanian cuisine,
>> including home-cooking, street/fast, and restaurant food.  Personal
>> experiences.  I'll be happy to share what I know and I look forward to
>> a discussion about it!"
>>
>> But of course, this being RFC in 2020, the thread immediately took a
>> dive into the sewer and stayed there.
>>
>> Jesus F'ing Christ, people.
>>
>> --
>> Silvar Beitel
>
> I would appreciate the discussion. I know there used to be an African
> poster here. Carol? I think. Haven't seen a post from her in a while.

Are you thinking of Chatty Cathy? The woman who participated in chat
and used to post fun RFC survey questions here? She wasn't "African".

Jill

Gary

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Dec 29, 2020, 12:55:13 PM12/29/20
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jmcquown wrote:
> The only African
> food I've had was some really nice homemade Ethoipian Injera bread with
> a nicely spiced lamb and vegetable stew. Delicious!

I've had Ethiopian lunch here a few times. Generally known as "fasting"
here in Virginia.


Dave Smith

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Dec 29, 2020, 1:12:28 PM12/29/20
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Ethiopian food is great. I had it in Montreal whenever we went to
visit my son there and I had it in Ottawa earlier this year. If there
were an Ethiopian restaurant around here I would be a regular.

Hank Rogers

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Dec 29, 2020, 2:10:23 PM12/29/20
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<*SNIFF*>


Hank Rogers

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Dec 29, 2020, 2:14:36 PM12/29/20
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Craigslist?


Cindy Hamilton

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Dec 29, 2020, 2:21:43 PM12/29/20
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Don't be a dick.

Ethiopian cooking is reckoned to be the most highly developed cuisine
in sub-Saharan Africa.

We used to have two Ethiopian restaurants in town. Unfortunately,
now we're down to one.

<http://www.bluenilemi.com/>

And a little closer to where you live:

<https://www.mesobcafe.com/>

Cindy Hamilton

Master Bruce

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Dec 29, 2020, 2:33:24 PM12/29/20
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On Tue, 29 Dec 2020 10:06:55 -0500, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:
There's that old green monster again!

Master Bruce

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Dec 29, 2020, 2:35:33 PM12/29/20
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Trump's one of the idiots. Especially if you have a high percentage of
idiots in your population (73 million), you want a president who sets
the right example, instead of adding to the stupidity.
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