Grits n'at

[Michael Trew]

I've never had grits before, so I picked up a tub of Quaker old
fashioned grits at the grocer for a couple of dollars. I followed the
directions which included a heavy pinch of salt. I took Gary's standard
advice and tried a bite before altering it.

Boy, those little buggers sure are bland. I added a dollop of butter
in, and that helped. For the grit eaters here, how do you doctor them
up? Cheese, onions, etc.? I'm not going to waste the tub that I
bought, so I'm determined to do something with it.

I don't know what supper tonight will be, but I have a can of black
beans and a can of Rotel diced tomatoes and green chilies here. I'm not
good with Mexican food, but I can probably make that up into something.

[GM]

Use grits to thicken soups or stews...

Yeah, they are bland...

--
GM

[dsi1]

Add some sugar as well as salt. If you are ascared of sugar, drizzle some honey on top. You are right that grits are bland. You're suppose to be eating it alongside something salty or spicy.

[Bruce]

On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 11:51:34 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
<dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:

>On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 8:41:21 AM UTC-10, Michael Trew wrote:
>> I've never had grits before, so I picked up a tub of Quaker old
>> fashioned grits at the grocer for a couple of dollars. I followed the
>> directions which included a heavy pinch of salt. I took Gary's standard
>> advice and tried a bite before altering it.
>>
>> Boy, those little buggers sure are bland. I added a dollop of butter
>> in, and that helped. For the grit eaters here, how do you doctor them
>> up? Cheese, onions, etc.? I'm not going to waste the tub that I
>> bought, so I'm determined to do something with it.
>>
>> I don't know what supper tonight will be, but I have a can of black
>> beans and a can of Rotel diced tomatoes and green chilies here. I'm not
>> good with Mexican food, but I can probably make that up into something.
>
>Add some sugar as well as salt. If you are ascared of sugar, drizzle some honey on top.

That's also sugar :)

[Dave Smith]

One thing I have learned about grits from cooking shows is that they are
not usually eaten on their own. The host and guest chefs usually load
them up with richness, adding cream to them while cooking and often add
cheese near the end. Then they are served with a dish loaded with zippy
flavours. I was under the impression that they were usually served for
breakfast along with bacon, ham or sausage and eggs.


One thing that I really want to try some time is shrimp and grits. Grits
just aren't served in restaurants around here, not even in the
American based breakfast places like IHOP and Denny's. There are only a
few places that sell grits, and only the fast cooking stuff.

[dsi1]

Eating grits by itself is a rookie mistake.

[jmcquown]

On 4/18/2023 2:41 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
> I've never had grits before, so I picked up a tub of Quaker old
> fashioned grits at the grocer for a couple of dollars.  I followed the
> directions which included a heavy pinch of salt.  I took Gary's standard
> advice and tried a bite before altering it.
>

I wouldn't know about Quaker brand for grits. Yes, definitely a heavy
pinch of salt. Cook and stir and then stir in at least 2 Tbs. butter
while the grits are still hot. The grits I buy are yellow grits so they
taste more like corn than white grits.

> Boy, those little buggers sure are bland.  I added a dollop of butter
> in, and that helped.  For the grit eaters here, how do you doctor them
> up?  Cheese, onions, etc.?  I'm not going to waste the tub that I
> bought, so I'm determined to do something with it.
>

Grits are very bland until you add the butter. Of course you can add
shredded cheese, etc. Turn it into a casserole with cooked crumbled
sausage & cheese, baked in the oven. Or, you could chill and slice it
and treat it like polenta, pan fry it and top with tomato sauce, etc.

> I don't know what supper tonight will be, but I have a can of black
> beans and a can of Rotel diced tomatoes and green chilies here.  I'm not
> good with Mexican food, but I can probably make that up into something.

I would not know what to do with only a can of black beans and Rotel and
canned chopped green chillies. Sounds like you need to go to the
grocery store.

Jill

[jmcquown]

On 4/18/2023 4:40 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2023-04-18 2:41 p.m., Michael Trew wrote:
>> I've never had grits before, so I picked up a tub of Quaker old
>> fashioned grits at the grocer for a couple of dollars.  I followed the
>> directions which included a heavy pinch of salt.  I took Gary's
>> standard advice and tried a bite before altering it.
>>
>> Boy, those little buggers sure are bland.  I added a dollop of butter
>> in, and that helped.  For the grit eaters here, how do you doctor them
>> up?  Cheese, onions, etc.?  I'm not going to waste the tub that I
>> bought, so I'm determined to do something with it.
>>
>> I don't know what supper tonight will be, but I have a can of black
>> beans and a can of Rotel diced tomatoes and green chilies here.  I'm
>> not good with Mexican food, but I can probably make that up into
>> something.
>
>

(snippage)

> One thing that I really want to try some time is shrimp and grits.

I've never been impressed by shrimp & grits. I've tried them in a
couple of different restaurants and they're just so-so.

Jill

[Dave Smith]

Well, darn it. You just shattered my dreams.

[dsi1]

Your best bet would be to substitute Hawaiian garlic shrimp for the shrimp and rice for the grits. The Hawaiians would never serve long grain rice with shrimp - serve it with short to medium grain rice. Use an ice cream scoop to dish out the rice. Serve with Hawaiian mac salad. OTOH, that might be going too far.

https://evseats.com/hawaiian-garlic-shrimp/

[Bruce]

The shrimp looks very good, but mac salad's very lame. Maybe it would
have worked when I was in my 20s and would wake up with a huge
hangover.

[songbird]

Michael Trew wrote:
...

> I don't know what supper tonight will be, but I have a can of black
> beans and a can of Rotel diced tomatoes and green chilies here. I'm not
> good with Mexican food, but I can probably make that up into something.

i was using some hot cocoa mix that i made up to
turn the grits into coco grits.

now that i'm done with the grits i have to get back
to oatmeal.


songbird

[Cindy Hamilton]

On 2023-04-18, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On 4/18/2023 2:41 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
>> I've never had grits before, so I picked up a tub of Quaker old
>> fashioned grits at the grocer for a couple of dollars.  I followed the
>> directions which included a heavy pinch of salt.  I took Gary's standard
>> advice and tried a bite before altering it.
>>
> I wouldn't know about Quaker brand for grits. Yes, definitely a heavy
> pinch of salt. Cook and stir and then stir in at least 2 Tbs. butter
> while the grits are still hot. The grits I buy are yellow grits so they
> taste more like corn than white grits.
>
>> Boy, those little buggers sure are bland.  I added a dollop of butter
>> in, and that helped.  For the grit eaters here, how do you doctor them
>> up?  Cheese, onions, etc.?  I'm not going to waste the tub that I
>> bought, so I'm determined to do something with it.
>>
> Grits are very bland until you add the butter. Of course you can add
> shredded cheese, etc. Turn it into a casserole with cooked crumbled
> sausage & cheese, baked in the oven. Or, you could chill and slice it
> and treat it like polenta, pan fry it and top with tomato sauce, etc.

You don't need to fry it to treat it like polenta.

https://www.seriouseats.com/smooth-creamy-polenta-recipe

--
Cindy Hamilton

[cshenk]

Agree that alone isn't right. At minimum, needs rice. Black beans on
rice topped with 1/4 can rotel.

[Bryan Simmons]

There are two kinds of grits, boring-ass grits, and real
hominy grits.

--Bryan

[jmcquown]

Hey, you might like it! There are a million recipes for it; here's
Bobby Flay's version:

https://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/bobby-flay/shrimp-and-grits-recipe-1911862

Jill

[jmcquown]

You're absolutely right, of course. Not all polenta is fried.

Jill

[Hank Rogers]

I got a question jill. Is grits the same as polenta, just cooked up
by low class folks? I've heard they are both coarsely ground corn.

If I went to the club on dataw and ordered a $25 bowl of polenta,
would it be any better than a bowl of grits cooked up by the poor
woman living on the same island who scrubs the toilets at the club?

[Sqwertz]

For the record, I did not know Mickey posted about out grits
before I posted my fictional-breakfast this morning. I jsut ran
iout of other peoepl's breakfasts to make fun of so I to concoct a
couple from thin air.

Watch: Next post is somebody eating an egg white and spinach
omelette... I claim innocent on that one too.

-sw

[Sqwertz]

On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 19:33:46 -0400, jmcquown wrote:

> I've never been impressed by shrimp & grits. I've tried them in a
> couple of different restaurants and they're just so-so.

Grits are a culinary black hole. They suck the flavor out of
everything you add to them. I pretty sure some flavorless alien
planet invented them, and that's probably what's at the other end
of that black hole.

-sw

[Gary]

That sounds like a bare bones meal just to "fill your gut." Not
something to bother making and not a meal to look forward to eating.

[songbird]

Hank Rogers wrote:
...

> If I went to the club on dataw and ordered a $25 bowl of polenta,
> would it be any better than a bowl of grits cooked up by the poor
> woman living on the same island who scrubs the toilets at the club?

you hope they wash their hands at either place,
butt what do you know for sure? not much...


songbird

[songbird]

Sqwertz wrote:
...

> Grits are a culinary black hole. They suck the flavor out of
> everything you add to them. I pretty sure some flavorless alien
> planet invented them, and that's probably what's at the other end
> of that black hole.

ground up bits of corn.

i don't like GMO corn. i don't trust the technology as
it was developed and the consequences for life on this
planet has been poor. that's all the answer i need to see
about any food to decide to eat other things instead as
much as possible.


songbird

[Cindy Hamilton]

If I had a can of Rotel and a can of black beans, I'd marinate them
with whatever available acid (I usually have a lime in the fridge and
_always_ have an assortment of vinegars on the shelf) and olive oil,
and maybe some cumin. I'd eat them over a green salad, or perhaps
with some tortilla chips (which I usually have on hand).

The cupboard is never truly bare here, but sometimes I find myself
wishing I'd defrosted some salmon or something.

--
Cindy Hamilton

[Cindy Hamilton]

Organic cornmeal/grits are available. You have to pay extra, of
course.

Most starches are a culinary black hole. That's why the Italians
invented so many pasta sauces.

I don't eat DNA, so I don't worry about GMO as such. Roundup-ready
is worrisome, though.

--
Cindy Hamilton

[Dave Smith]

When I tried them in Virginia I liked them. Saying that, I should add
that I also like Cream of Wheat, which is also on the bland side of
flavour. Maybe we should call it a subtle flavour. Lots of people think
oatmeal is bland, but I think it has a great flavour.

[Ed P]

I was raised to take a bath every Saturday night and hands get washed
then. Do you think they have to do more?

[Gary]

People tend to be afraid of GMO anything.
Were you afraid of the Covid vaccines? You should have been.

[Bryan Simmons]

On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 1:41:21 PM UTC-5, Michael Trew wrote:
> I've never had grits before, so I picked up a tub of Quaker old
> fashioned grits at the grocer for a couple of dollars. I followed the
> directions which included a heavy pinch of salt. I took Gary's standard
> advice and tried a bite before altering it.
>

> Boy, those little buggers sure are bland. I added a dollop of butter
> in, and that helped. For the grit eaters here, how do you doctor them
> up? Cheese, onions, etc.? I'm not going to waste the tub that I
> bought, so I'm determined to do something with it.
>

> I don't know what supper tonight will be, but I have a can of black
> beans and a can of Rotel diced tomatoes and green chilies here. I'm not
> good with Mexican food, but I can probably make that up into something.
>

Real, nixtamalized grits might be good with Mexican food.

--Bryan

[Dave Smith]

Yeah sure. That and the vaccines for measles, smallpox, TB, pneumonia
etc. When I started school in 1950 there were kids in some of the
senior classes who had to wear metal braces because of partial paralysis
resulting from having been infected with polio. My classmates and I got
the polio vaccine in Gr.1. None of my cohort got polio. By the time I
got to high school those older kids who had had polio were already
through high school and I never again saw class mates with polio. Thanks
vaccine.

[Graham]

Oh poor little Gary. Is you afwaid of the needle?

[Gary]

On 4/20/2023 11:43 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2023-04-20 11:22 a.m., Gary wrote:
>> People tend to be afraid of GMO anything.
>> Were you afraid of the Covid vaccines? You should have been.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Yeah sure. That and the vaccines for measles, smallpox, TB, pneumonia
> etc.

Don't change the subject then argue about your change.
I specifically named the Covid vaccine...not fully tested and "emergency
approved." It caused many problems and even deaths that have only
recently been admitted.

[Bruce]

On Thu, 20 Apr 2023 08:35:41 -0400, songbird <song...@anthive.com>
wrote:

Careful. RFC frowns on people who use their brain. Don't think, just
chew.

[dsi1]

It's the MSG that makes Hawaiian mac salad so delectable. I don't care for salad without MSG. There's a giant missing part in the taste without it.

[Bruce]

If only they were, but unfortunately most of them just chew.

[Bruce]

Gary lives like a hermit, so he can risk not getting vaccinated.

[Bruce]

On Thu, 20 Apr 2023 11:05:46 -0700 (PDT), dsi1

Want MSG? Have a tomato. Italians are the masters of MSG.

[songbird]

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
...

> I don't eat DNA,

uh, i'm pretty sure you do...

> so I don't worry about GMO as such. Roundup-ready
> is worrisome, though.

i don't encourage sillyness in agriculture if i can
help it. as much as i can grow, i will. corn isn't
something we eat a lot of here so it hasn't been a big
deal to me that we can't grow it (too many raccoons along
with the problem of being surrounded by farm fields to
the point where i'd always have to source new seeds for
replanting because anything i grow would likely be
contaminated by pollen brought in on the wind).

nah, no big loss to me, if i ever get to a different
place with fewer problems i may try to grow some corn
for meal. i don't know if that will ever happen.


songbird

[songbird]

Dave Smith wrote:
...

> When I tried them in Virginia I liked them. Saying that, I should add
> that I also like Cream of Wheat, which is also on the bland side of
> flavour. Maybe we should call it a subtle flavour. Lots of people think
> oatmeal is bland, but I think it has a great flavour.

i've eaten grits, instant oatmeal (plain and various flavors),
cream of wheat (both instant and plain), regular oatmeal (thicker
rolled than instant), instant grits (tasted pretty much like the
regular grits). and by far my preference would be oatmeal over
them all because they do have more flavor but also i like more
texture. which is also why i don't like the instant oatmeals
nearly as much as the regular ones i normally would eat. now
that we've cleaned out the cupboard of all these odd foods (people
keep giving us stuff or they bring stuff when they visit and they
don't want to take it back with them) i'll be happy to have some
oatmeal again at last - we needed the cupboard space back.


songbird

[songbird]

Gary wrote:
...

> People tend to be afraid of GMO anything.

i do have a very good understanding of science,
genetics, etc.

> Were you afraid of the Covid vaccines? You should have been.

not at all and they did me no harm to me that i
could ever tell and saved the lives of millions. i
had a total of three shots - i don't plan on getting
any more but we'll see what happens.

sadly i saw a lot of fearful and ignorant people
darwinned themselves or their families (several people
i knew personally died from covid or have suffered from
related complications because of the misinformation
they were led to believe).

if you're a follower of the buffoon still after all
this time and his many ignorant actions i don't think
you have much of a functioning brain above your
shoulder blades.


songbird

[Dave Smith]

On 2023-04-20 2:20 p.m., songbird wrote:
> Gary wrote:
> ...
>> People tend to be afraid of GMO anything.
>
> i do have a very good understanding of science,
> genetics, etc.
>
>
>> Were you afraid of the Covid vaccines? You should have been.
>
> not at all and they did me no harm to me that i
> could ever tell and saved the lives of millions. i
> had a total of three shots - i don't plan on getting
> any more but we'll see what happens.
>

I have had 5 and if they come out with another booster I will likely get
that too. Neither my wife or I have caught Covid.

> sadly i saw a lot of fearful and ignorant people
> darwinned themselves or their families (several people
> i knew personally died from covid or have suffered from
> related complications because of the misinformation
> they were led to believe).
>

I know a couple who are rabidly anti vaccine. I was talking about
getting the new Shingrix vaccine for shingles. The guy scoffed at the
idea and told me how dangerous vaccines are. I knew too many people who
had had shingles and how painful it had been for them. It turned out
that he knew how bad it was because both he and his wife had had it.
Silly goose. The shot would likely have prevented it.

> if you're a follower of the buffoon still after all
> this time and his many ignorant actions i don't think
> you have much of a functioning brain above your
> shoulder blades.
>

I can't say that I agree with everything they did during the pandemic
and the "science" that kept evolving since a lot of it was more a matter
of anecdotal situations than real research. I have to give them credit
for acting quickly and effectively against some major unknowns. Yes,
Covid is still among us. There are still people getting sick with it and
dying from it, but the numbers are lower and most of us are back to out
normal lives and socializing.

[Graham]

Bollocks!

[Graham]

On 2023-04-20 12:36 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2023-04-20 2:20 p.m., songbird wrote:
>> Gary wrote:
>> ...
>>> People tend to be afraid of GMO anything.
>>
>>    i do have a very good understanding of science,
>> genetics, etc.
>>
>>
>>> Were you afraid of the Covid vaccines? You should have been.
>>
>>    not at all and they did me no harm to me that i
>> could ever tell and saved the lives of millions.  i
>> had a total of three shots - i don't plan on getting
>> any more but we'll see what happens.
>>
>
> I have had 5 and if they come out with another booster I will likely get

> that too.  Neither my wife Nor I have caught Covid.
>
The 6th was approved at the beginning of April, ie a second bivalent.
I got it. I haven't had covid although I know many friends and family
members who have.

[Bruce]

On Thu, 20 Apr 2023 14:20:18 -0400, songbird <song...@anthive.com>
wrote:

If you ask me, Gary has a brain, but he thinks it's cool not to use
it. Makes him one of the boys *Ronald Reagan wink*

[S Viemeister]

I just had my second bivalent one.
I've had six inoculations in all -
two AstraZeneca
two Moderna original
two Moderna bivalent.

I had Covid at the beginning of the pandemic, in early March of 2020,
before there were test kits and vaccines. It was an extremely unpleasant
experience, and I'm still experiencing ill effects - long covid is most
unpleasant.

Yes, some people have had bad reactions to the vaccines - but many more
people have had life-altering (or life-ending) responses to the disease.

[Cindy Hamilton]

On 2023-04-20, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:

Not nearly as many problems or deaths as getting the disease, though.

I think we can consider it fully tested now. 13.37 billion doses
have been administered globally.

--
Cindy Hamilton

[Cindy Hamilton]

On 2023-04-20, songbird <song...@anthive.com> wrote:

> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> ...
>> I don't eat DNA,
>
> uh, i'm pretty sure you do...

You're right. DNA and RNA are broken down by pancreatic enzymes.
Broken down. Into nucleic acids. Those enzymes don't care if
the DNA and RNA are natural, GMO, or from the planet Vulcan.

>> so I don't worry about GMO as such. Roundup-ready
>> is worrisome, though.
>
> i don't encourage sillyness in agriculture if i can
> help it. as much as i can grow, i will.

That's too much like work. I went to college so I wouldn't have to do
any honest labor.

--
Cindy Hamilton

[jmcquown]

You'd be specifically incorrect. But hey, we were talking about grits
and GMO so don't change the f'ing subject.

Jill

[jmcquown]

"Instant" (as in, a packet and just add water and pop it in the
microwave) is rarely good as regular quick cooking grits/oatmeal, etc.

Jill

[lucr...@florence.it]

The worst effect Covid had on me was totally altering my taste buds.
Things I loved, I can choke on now and things I would never have
thought to get, taste good. According to my doc, it is a known
effect.

[Bruce]

On Thu, 20 Apr 2023 20:46:17 +0100, S Viemeister
<firs...@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:

Gary pay attention, please. The voice of reason.

[Bruce]

On Thu, 20 Apr 2023 19:21:18 -0300, lucr...@florence.it wrote:

>The worst effect Covid had on me was totally altering my taste buds.
>Things I loved, I can choke on now and things I would never have
>thought to get, taste good. According to my doc, it is a known
>effect.

But are you still a fan of King Cheating Charlie, at least?

[songbird]

Bruce wrote:
...

> Careful. RFC frowns on people who use their brain. Don't think, just
> chew.

pay attention and you see what the overuse of herbicides
does for weed resistance aside from the disease issues that
the herbicides themselves can cause. now consider what the
rest of the life on the planet is contending with when we
go full moron on the ecologies in our rush towards extinction.

there will be survivors but i'm not sure humans will be
among them. dumb asses deserve what they get but
unfortunately the dumb asses do things which have a wider
effect than just themselves.

you can learn about weed resistance from drug resistant
microbes, there's also drug resistant fungi. we're breeding
things to kill us by what we're doing. does that sound like
being intelligent?


songbird

[songbird]

Bruce wrote:
...

> Want MSG? Have a tomato. Italians are the masters of MSG.

yep, the flavor is in the gel around the seeds. use a
good tomato and you have plenty of umami. use a paste
tomato if you don't want as much gel or umami. personally
i go for juicier tomatoes that have plenty of flavor.


songbird

[songbird]

Dave Smith wrote:
...

> I can't say that I agree with everything they did during the pandemic
> and the "science" that kept evolving since a lot of it was more a matter
> of anecdotal situations than real research. I have to give them credit
> for acting quickly and effectively against some major unknowns. Yes,
> Covid is still among us. There are still people getting sick with it and
> dying from it, but the numbers are lower and most of us are back to out
> normal lives and socializing.

we were working with poor information to start with but
i ignored the anti-masking sentiment as soon as i heard it
was spreading.

there was a large gathering of people towards the end of
Feb of that year and i did attend even knowing it might be
circulating, but shortly after that i felt slightly ill for
a few days and that was it. we masked and washed hands
after being out in public and generally avoided large crowds.
once i could get vaccinated, i did, i've not been sick with
anything other than very slight things, like a sore throat
for a day or two. nothing serious at all.

right now spring allergies are on full blast but i know
how to deal with those and i don't get sick from them as
long as i remember to wash my face and rinse out my sinuses
when i come in from working outside. no drugs needed or
required. i used to get sinus infections every year from
the spring allergies. now, nope, all good, minor discom-
fort and drippy nose. i just save a kleenex by blowing it
on the ground once in a while, water a plant. :) it
really can get pouring if i get a good whiff of a maple
tree that is pollinating. come inside and rinse out my
sinuses and it stops running within a few minutes.


songbird

[songbird]

S Viemeister wrote:
...

> I had Covid at the beginning of the pandemic, in early March of 2020,
> before there were test kits and vaccines. It was an extremely unpleasant
> experience, and I'm still experiencing ill effects - long covid is most
> unpleasant.

i hope they can figure out what is going on to help
you recover fully.

> Yes, some people have had bad reactions to the vaccines - but many more
> people have had life-altering (or life-ending) responses to the disease.

i don't know anyone that has had a bad reaction to
the vax, i know a lot more people who were sick (some
of them multiple times) and some who have longer term
effects (and some who died).


songbird

[Bruce]

On Thu, 20 Apr 2023 18:02:52 -0400, songbird <song...@anthive.com>
wrote:

Too many people don't use their brain or, if they do, they can't think
beyond the extreme short term. This group of lesser individuals
includes deplorables and very right-wing voters in other countries.

[Bruce]

On Thu, 20 Apr 2023 18:25:17 -0400, songbird <song...@anthive.com>
wrote:

Same here.

[Ed P]

On 4/20/2023 1:30 PM, Gary wrote:
> On 4/20/2023 11:43 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2023-04-20 11:22 a.m., Gary wrote:
>>> People tend to be afraid of GMO anything.
>>> Were you afraid of the Covid vaccines? You should have been.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Yeah sure. That and the vaccines for measles, smallpox, TB, pneumonia
>> etc.
>
> Don't change the subject then argue about your change.
> I specifically named the Covid vaccine...not fully tested and "emergency
> approved."  It caused many problems and even deaths that have only
> recently been admitted.
>
>
>

So has every other vaccine. Always a risk with every medication, but
the Covid vax also save many lives.

[Ed P]

My granddaughter (27) had a reaction. She was nervous, near tears in
anticipation of the shot and thought she was going to panic when nurse
told her it was done. What???? It didn't hurt? Oh. OK.

[Leonard Blaisdell]

On 2023-04-18, Michael Trew <michae...@att.net> wrote:

> Boy, those little buggers sure are bland. I added a dollop of butter
> in, and that helped. For the grit eaters here, how do you doctor them
> up? Cheese, onions, etc.? I'm not going to waste the tub that I
> bought, so I'm determined to do something with it.


The first, last and only time I've ever eaten authentic grits was in New
Orleans in 1987. When I got home, I couldn't find them in "my store",
but I looked.
Like with any ground corn product, Log Cabin syrup wouldn't hurt. That'd
be for breakfast. Since I don't remember the consistency, if they can be
formed into patties after cooking, I'd then fry them.
I'm out of my league on this one.

[Graham]

After the second bivalent shot (#6 in total) I had an interesting (to
me) condition that lasted 2 weeks and is listed as a possible side
effect. However, correlation doesn't prove causation.

[Bruce]

It does for deplorables.

[Mike Duffy]

On 2023-04-21, Graham wrote:

> After the second bivalent shot (#6 in total) I
> had an interesting (to me) condition that lasted
> 2 weeks and is listed as a possible side effect.

It might be interesting to all. Did you get 'spider' senses?

[Dave Smith]

A number of years ago I had a flue shot and day or two later I was
nauseous. I had been by several people that they had got sick after the
flu shot. It went on for several days but then it disappeared. A couple
years later I had the same symptoms. I was nauseous and thought if I
could puke and get rid of it I would be fine. After almost a week of
that my wife made me go to the hospital. I was admitted within an hour.
They got be stabilized and the next morning I had emergency gall bladder
surgery. It wasn't the flu. It had nothing to do with the flu shot. It
was a very rotten gall bladder.

[dsi1]

Sorry to hear about the long Covid. It sounds horrible. My guess is that long Covid may change the American healthcare system.

[Bruce]

On Thu, 20 Apr 2023 20:46:17 +0100, S Viemeister
<firs...@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:

A friend of mine has long covid too. He's been back to work for 2
years or so, but still doesn't feel the same as before the covid. I
wonder if they're any closer to knowing why some people get the long
version and others don't.

[Leonard Blaisdell]

Said a prime example of the pithed. Can't we all just get along?

[Bruce]

On 21 Apr 2023 04:35:15 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell

Communists too?

--
Karl

[Leonard Blaisdell]

On 2023-04-21, Dave Smith <adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

> A number of years ago I had a flue shot and day or two later I was
> nauseous. I had been by several people that they had got sick after the
> flu shot. It went on for several days but then it disappeared. A couple
> years later I had the same symptoms. I was nauseous and thought if I
> could puke and get rid of it I would be fine. After almost a week of
> that my wife made me go to the hospital. I was admitted within an hour.
> They got be stabilized and the next morning I had emergency gall bladder
> surgery. It wasn't the flu. It had nothing to do with the flu shot. It
> was a very rotten gall bladder.

My wife suffered from gall bladder symptoms for a year, until she was
diagnosed and the problem removed. I suffered two events, thought my
liver had finally failed, went to the ER and had mine removed that day.
Ain't hardly a gall bladder in our eldest family.
Gall bladder removal used to be major surgery. Now, normally, it's
nothing to speak of. God bless Dan Blocker. Who?

[Leonard Blaisdell]

On 2023-04-21, Bruce <Br...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> A friend of mine has long covid too. He's been back to work for 2
> years or so, but still doesn't feel the same as before the covid. I
> wonder if they're any closer to knowing why some people get the long
> version and others don't.

Genetics.

[Bruce]

On 21 Apr 2023 04:53:00 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell

<leobla...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 2023-04-21, Dave Smith <adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>> A number of years ago I had a flue shot and day or two later I was
>> nauseous. I had been by several people that they had got sick after the
>> flu shot. It went on for several days but then it disappeared. A couple
>> years later I had the same symptoms. I was nauseous and thought if I
>> could puke and get rid of it I would be fine. After almost a week of
>> that my wife made me go to the hospital. I was admitted within an hour.
>> They got be stabilized and the next morning I had emergency gall bladder
>> surgery. It wasn't the flu. It had nothing to do with the flu shot. It
>> was a very rotten gall bladder.
>
>
>My wife suffered from gall bladder symptoms for a year, until she was
>diagnosed and the problem removed. I suffered two events, thought my
>liver had finally failed, went to the ER and had mine removed that day.

Can you live without a liver?

[Bruce]

On 21 Apr 2023 04:55:05 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell

Maybe it's environmental. Maybe people who get long covid don't eat
enough kale. Just an example.

[Leonard Blaisdell]

On 2023-04-21, Bruce <Br...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> Maybe it's environmental. Maybe people who get long covid don't eat
> enough kale. Just an example.

Genetics.

[Bruce]

On 21 Apr 2023 05:53:19 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell

Probably, but a more detailed explanation might help find a solution.

[S Viemeister]

On 21/04/2023 03:36, Bruce wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Apr 2023 20:46:17 +0100, S Viemeister

>> I just had my second bivalent one.
>> I've had six inoculations in all -
>> two AstraZeneca
>> two Moderna original
>> two Moderna bivalent.
>>
>> I had Covid at the beginning of the pandemic, in early March of 2020,
>> before there were test kits and vaccines. It was an extremely unpleasant
>> experience, and I'm still experiencing ill effects - long covid is most
>> unpleasant.
>>
>> Yes, some people have had bad reactions to the vaccines - but many more
>> people have had life-altering (or life-ending) responses to the disease.
>
> A friend of mine has long covid too. He's been back to work for 2
> years or so, but still doesn't feel the same as before the covid. I
> wonder if they're any closer to knowing why some people get the long
> version and others don't.
>

One theory surmises that Covid triggers other underlying conditions into
action.

[Bruce]

Yes, maybe.

[Ed P]

Yes, a day or two

I know a guy that is 70 years old. Last year he celebrated his kidney's
hundredth birthday.

[cshenk]

Gary wrote:

> On 4/19/2023 10:06 AM, cshenk wrote:
> > jmcquown wrote:
> >
> > > On 4/18/2023 2:41 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
> > >
> > > > I don't know what supper tonight will be, but I have a can of
> > > > black beans and a can of Rotel diced tomatoes and green chilies
> > > > here. I'm not good with Mexican food, but I can probably make
> > > > that up into something.
> > >
> > > I would not know what to do with only a can of black beans and
> > > Rotel and canned chopped green chillies. Sounds like you need to
> > > go to the grocery store.
> > >
> > > Jill
> >
> > Agree that alone isn't right. At minimum, needs rice. Black beans
> > on rice topped with 1/4 can rotel.
>
> That sounds like a bare bones meal just to "fill your gut." Not
> something to bother making and not a meal to look forward to eating.

It is a barebones meal. College student years stuff.

Another one if you have a wrap, bit of fresh onion, cheese and
hopefully a little sourcream is to make a wrap of beans, some onion,
cheese and sourcream topped with some Rotel. Spices such as have.

[cshenk]

Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> On 2023-04-20, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:
> > On 4/19/2023 10:06 AM, cshenk wrote:
> >> jmcquown wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 4/18/2023 2:41 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
> > > >
> >>>> I don't know what supper tonight will be, but I have a can of
> black >>>> beans and a can of Rotel diced tomatoes and green chilies
> here. >>>> I'm not good with Mexican food, but I can probably make
> that up >>>> into something.
> > > >
> >>> I would not know what to do with only a can of black beans and
> Rotel >>> and canned chopped green chillies. Sounds like you need to
> go to the >>> grocery store.
> > > >
> >>> Jill
> >>
> >> Agree that alone isn't right. At minimum, needs rice. Black
> beans on >> rice topped with 1/4 can rotel.
> >
> > That sounds like a bare bones meal just to "fill your gut." Not
> > something to bother making and not a meal to look forward to eating.
>

> If I had a can of Rotel and a can of black beans, I'd marinate them
> with whatever available acid (I usually have a lime in the fridge and
> always have an assortment of vinegars on the shelf) and olive oil,
> and maybe some cumin. I'd eat them over a green salad, or perhaps
> with some tortilla chips (which I usually have on hand).
>
> The cupboard is never truly bare here, but sometimes I find myself
> wishing I'd defrosted some salmon or something.

Same here on bare cupboards. What I run out of is fresh veggies and
fruits.

Tommorrow's meal is a pork shoulder roast (defrosting on counter) with
various root veggies, mashed potatoes and gravy, stirfry of bell
peppers, mushrooms, onion, and broccoli. Fresh bread rolls.

[cshenk]

Graham wrote:

> On 2023-04-20 12:36 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:

> > On 2023-04-20 2:20 p.m., songbird wrote:
> > > Gary wrote:
> > > ...

> > > > People tend to be afraid of GMO anything.
> > >

> > >    i do have a very good understanding of science,
> > > genetics, etc.

> > >
> > >
> > > > Were you afraid of the Covid vaccines? You should have been.
> > >

> > >    not at all and they did me no harm to me that i
> > > could ever tell and saved the lives of millions.  i
> > > had a total of three shots - i don't plan on getting
> > > any more but we'll see what happens.

> > >
> >
> > I have had 5 and if they come out with another booster I will
> > likely get that too.  Neither my wife Nor I have caught Covid.
> >
> The 6th was approved at the beginning of April, ie a second bivalent.
> I got it. I haven't had covid although I know many friends and family
> members who have.

Don and I are on annuals now. 4th shots were in Oct2022 for both of us.

[cshenk]

lucr...@florence.it wrote:

> On Thu, 20 Apr 2023 20:46:17 +0100, S Viemeister

> <firs...@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:

> > I just had my second bivalent one.
> > I've had six inoculations in all -
> > two AstraZeneca
> > two Moderna original
> > two Moderna bivalent.
> >
> > I had Covid at the beginning of the pandemic, in early March of
> > 2020, before there were test kits and vaccines. It was an extremely
> > unpleasant experience, and I'm still experiencing ill effects -
> > long covid is most unpleasant.
> >
> > Yes, some people have had bad reactions to the vaccines - but many
> > more people have had life-altering (or life-ending) responses to
> > the disease.
> >
> >

> The worst effect Covid had on me was totally altering my taste buds.
> Things I loved, I can choke on now and things I would never have
> thought to get, taste good. According to my doc, it is a known
> effect.

Don lost some tase and smell on the first booster but it came back over
the next 3 months.

[cshenk]

You just cook them down a bit if runny. Then cool and shape or if in a
pot, upend it and cut to wedges.

[songbird]

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On 2023-04-20, songbird <song...@anthive.com> wrote:
>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> ...
>>> I don't eat DNA,
>>
>> uh, i'm pretty sure you do...
>
> You're right. DNA and RNA are broken down by pancreatic enzymes.
> Broken down. Into nucleic acids. Those enzymes don't care if
> the DNA and RNA are natural, GMO, or from the planet Vulcan.

being broken down after you get them down your gullet.
in some cases with allergic reactions and sensitivities
the issues that come about happen before the food leaves
the mouth and once they get stirred up they can cause
other issues to get going too.

it's similar to what sugars and salts can do too, where
they can cause issues to come about that can take days to
calm back down again.


>>> so I don't worry about GMO as such. Roundup-ready
>>> is worrisome, though.
>>
>> i don't encourage sillyness in agriculture if i can
>> help it. as much as i can grow, i will.
>
> That's too much like work. I went to college so I wouldn't have to do
> any honest labor.

i'd probably be morbidly obese or dead by now if i went
that ways. i need exercise and i prefer it being meaningful
exercise and not just acting like hamster on a wheel.


songbird

[songbird]

Ed P wrote:
...

> My granddaughter (27) had a reaction. She was nervous, near tears in
> anticipation of the shot and thought she was going to panic when nurse
> told her it was done. What???? It didn't hurt? Oh. OK.

lol! yeah, the booster was the same as the others and when
i went to get it some little kid was freaking out and screaming
like an idiot. i felt sorry for him and his parents to have
raised such an idiot and while i don't consider my parents super
smart they at least knew enough about how to raise me that i
didn't act like that in public.


songbird

[songbird]

if you eat certain ways they contribute to gallbladder
problems.


songbird

[songbird]

Graham wrote:

...

> After the second bivalent shot (#6 in total) I had an interesting (to
> me) condition that lasted 2 weeks and is listed as a possible side
> effect. However, correlation doesn't prove causation.

true.

several weeks ago someone showed me what Covid Toes looked
like. they said they should have got vaxed but just didn't.
i derped them.


songbird

[songbird]

Ed P wrote:
...

> I know a guy that is 70 years old. Last year he celebrated his kidney's
> hundredth birthday.

lucky him!


songbird (enjoying a nice chunk of braunschweiger

[Michael Trew]

On 4/19/2023 10:06, cshenk wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
>
>> On 4/18/2023 2:41 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
>>
>>> I don't know what supper tonight will be, but I have a can of black
>>> beans and a can of Rotel diced tomatoes and green chilies here.
>>> I'm not good with Mexican food, but I can probably make that up
>>> into something.
>>
>> I would not know what to do with only a can of black beans and Rotel
>> and canned chopped green chillies. Sounds like you need to go to the
>> grocery store.
>>
>> Jill
>
> Agree that alone isn't right. At minimum, needs rice. Black beans on
> rice topped with 1/4 can rotel.

Yes, I always have rice and a few staples on hand. I have some other
food stuffs, and lots of frozen meals (chili, gumbo, soup, etc.), but I
wanted to try something different. I don't remember what I ended up
cooking, but the beans and rotel are still on the counter.

[Michael Trew]

On 4/18/2023 22:09, songbird wrote:
> Michael Trew wrote:
> ...

>> I don't know what supper tonight will be, but I have a can of black
>> beans and a can of Rotel diced tomatoes and green chilies here. I'm not
>> good with Mexican food, but I can probably make that up into something.
>

> i was using some hot cocoa mix that i made up to
> turn the grits into coco grits.
>
> now that i'm done with the grits i have to get back
> to oatmeal.
>
>
> songbird

That might be a lot like the old "cocoa wheats" hot cereal. Actually, I
think I still have a box of those in the cupboard.

[Michael Trew]

On 4/19/2023 23:42, Sqwertz wrote:
> For the record, I did not know Mickey posted about out grits
> before I posted my fictional-breakfast this morning. I jsut ran
> iout of other peoepl's breakfasts to make fun of so I to concoct a
> couple from thin air.
>
> Watch: Next post is somebody eating an egg white and spinach
> omelette... I claim innocent on that one too.
>
> -sw

Heh, I've been AFK for a few days, and I ran across your breakfast post
wondering if that was related to mine.

[Michael Trew]

On 4/18/2023 19:09, jmcquown wrote:
> On 4/18/2023 2:41 PM, Michael Trew wrote:

>> I've never had grits before, so I picked up a tub of Quaker old
>> fashioned grits at the grocer for a couple of dollars. I followed the
>> directions which included a heavy pinch of salt.
>>
> I wouldn't know about Quaker brand for grits. Yes, definitely a heavy
> pinch of salt. Cook and stir and then stir in at least 2 Tbs. butter
> while the grits are still hot. The grits I buy are yellow grits so they
> taste more like corn than white grits.

The ones I bought were white grits; nothing else was available. I
imagine that there is more variety in grits the further south you go. I
think Dave posted that he has nothing but instant grits available.

>> Boy, those little buggers sure are bland. I added a dollop of butter
>> in, and that helped.
>>

> Grits are very bland until you add the butter. Of course you can add
> shredded cheese, etc. Turn it into a casserole with cooked crumbled
> sausage & cheese, baked in the oven. Or, you could chill and slice it
> and treat it like polenta, pan fry it and top with tomato sauce, etc.

I did notice that the remaining grits cooled into a "gel loaf" sort of
thing. It's funny that you mention frying it, because it ran past my
mind to slice and fry it. I didn't, but I might do so next time.

I cracked open a can of jalapeno Vienna sausages this afternoon to fry
up in my scrambled eggs with potatoes. Those had a nice flavor kick. I
saved the other half of the can, and I might have to make those up in
the grits with onions and a little bit of cheese, or something.

[jmcquown]

I don't believe lucretia was talking about a side-effect of the vaccine,
but rather having contracted Covid.

Jill

[Bruce]

On Fri, 21 Apr 2023 15:15:16 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

That's how things can go in a thread.

[lucr...@florence.it]

On Fri, 21 Apr 2023 15:15:16 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

Correct.

[cshenk]

Well, maybe the wrap appeals one of these days.

[cshenk]

Maybe but I added a vaccine bit.

[Hank Rogers]

Her majesty misunderstood.

[Thomas Joseph]

Michael Trew wrote:

> Boy, those little buggers sure are bland. I added a dollop of butter

> in, and that helped. For the grit eaters here, how do you doctor them
> up? Cheese, onions, etc.? I'm not going to waste the tub that I
> bought, so I'm determined to do something with it.

I was never a big fan but I'll eat them now and then. Some people like
to take their already cooked eggs, over easy or whatever, and cut them
into a small bowl of grits. I have never bought them or made them. When
I was younger I bought a cheap jar of hominy just to see what it was like.
I didn't finish it and never had it again. I am no authority but remember
as a kid hearing hominy and grits mentioned in the same sentence. Well,
turns out there are different types of grits. Hominy grits are grits made
from hominy. But hominy on its own, it was like eating super sized kernels
corn. I'm sure there are those who can make anything taste good. Opening
a can and eating without cooking is not a real test. Or is it? Maybe it's the
best test of all.

[M Kfivethousand]

I do not like grits and am not crazy about polenta but one day I came upon a hominy recipe using rapeseed oil and some other stuff. I wanted to make it for my mom. I could not find the hominy til I noticed it in the Mexican foods section. Turns out I made pozole and she loved it.

mk5000


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