Smart cars collecting food parcels

[Pamela]

In news about America, I see pictures of huge numbers of cars waiting to get
food parcels. The cars seem big and new. Most would qualify as a semi-
luxury car in the UK.

Don't the owners of such cars, even if they were made jobless a few weeks
ago, have enough savings to pay for food? How do they pay for car repairs?

Is there something about America I'm overlooking?




https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8207245/Six-THOUSAND-families-line-
cars-hours-food-bank-San-Antonio.html

[Jinx the Minx]

The issue isn’t that people all of a sudden can’t afford food, but that
they can’t find food. It’s been every man for himself here the past month,
so unless you are first in line in the morning, you’re not getting, meat,
dry pasta, rice, dairy goods, flour, sugar, bread, or much of anything at
all.

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 9:18:14 AM UTC-4, Pamela wrote:
> In news about America, I see pictures of huge numbers of cars waiting to get
> food parcels. The cars seem big and new. Most would qualify as a semi-
> luxury car in the UK.

The picture looked like an average assortment of American cars.

> Don't the owners of such cars, even if they were made jobless a few weeks
> ago, have enough savings to pay for food? How do they pay for car repairs?

40% of Americans have insufficient savings to easily come up with $400 in an
emergency.

> Is there something about America I'm overlooking?

You're overlooking how many Americans live paycheck-to-paycheck. Some
28% of Americans have no savings at all.

Cindy Hamilton

[Ed Pawlowski]

There are a lot of people that live paycheck to paycheck and have little
savings. You expect a low income family to be in that situation but
there are many higher income people in a bad way if income is interrupted.

Of course, in the real world there are people that will take what they
can get, needed or not. I'm sure there were truly needy people that as
well as greedy sob's that need nothing. Problem is telling them apart.

[John Kuthe]

The United States, PLEASE! United Statesians insist on driving new-looking cars! But NOT Smart Cars! 100% Electric Cars like my Nissan Leaf or any Tesla car! NOT some big Fire Belching INTERNAL COMBUSTION ENGINE POS!

John Kuthe, Climate Anarchist and Drives Better Than Most!

[Dave Smith]

People with lavish life styles aren't always wealthy. In many cases they
are just good at getting their hands on other people's money. My SiL's
father is one of them. He claims to have been a millionaire five times.
He bounced back after a series of bankruptsies. He once called my
brother to come and get their fridge.... quick. It was as about to be
repossessed. His wife is high maintenance. She is over 80 and still
taking expensive golf lessons at the club they can barely afford. They
have no cash, can't afford to go and visit their kids, can't afford
birthday and Christmas presents, but they can scrape up the money for
the club so she can present an appearance of wealth.

[Ed Pawlowski]

Where I worked some years ago the General Manager drove a BMW. You
could always tell when the 25th of the month was. The finance company
called to find out where the payment was.

He used to work for a competitor. He was a GM there too. Talk about
coincidence, he was building a new house and the plumbing needed was
exactly the same as what was bought for the plant. I'm sure it was just
a paperwork error.

[graham]

"Keeping up with the Smiths" would make a popular reality TV show. You
could make a fortune!

[Tyler Durdin]

Perhaps the money they save on food can help them buy badly needed
prescriptions to keep them alive or fix their cars. Food bank
distributions have gone almost exclusively by car now.

You're such a trolling cunt. Thankfully, you don't live here.

[Pamela]

What do those people do when they need a repair for their smart cars? I'm
not talking about peopel in beaten up vehicles who are clearly struggling
but those who choose to buy a car with a sat nav, multi speaker sound
system, air conditioning, super-plush upholstery, etc.

Surely anyone who has the means to afford such a car (and presumaby other
possessions to match) has enough savings to pay for food for months. Yet
a few weeks after the shutdown, those who have lost their income now have
so little they can't afford food?

Is their cash flow so bad that every dollar they earn is accounted for?

Don't think me hard hearted. I fully believe those who can not afford
food deserve what others can afford to give them -- but are these drivers
really such people?

[Pamela]

I think you're close to the truth. Perhaps these people in their big cars
prefer to buy other items (to maintain the lifestyle they feel they are
entitled to) and saving money on food by getting it free helps fund those
other expenditures.

There will be genuine cases where they can't not cut back on other
expenditures nor sell goods to raise money for food but I very much doubt
they are driving such impressive cars. Perhaps a dented Chevy Caprice with
rust spots but not a 3 year old SUV.

[Pamela]

Those in the 40% and the 28% are clearly in need and deserve whatever can be
provided. I bet they don't drive the cars seen in the link I posted.

When I was earning good money, I would have considered buying such a car an
extravagance.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8207245/Six-THOUSAND-families-line-
cars-hours-food-bank-San-Antonio.html

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 11:33:33 AM UTC-4, Pamela wrote:
> On 14:56 15 Apr 2020, Ed Pawlowski said:
>
> > On 4/15/2020 9:18 AM, Pamela wrote:
> >> In news about America, I see pictures of huge numbers of cars waiting
> >> to get food parcels. The cars seem big and new. Most would qualify as
> >> a semi- luxury car in the UK.
> >>
> >> Don't the owners of such cars, even if they were made jobless a few
> >> weeks ago, have enough savings to pay for food? How do they pay for
> >> car repairs?
> >>
> >> Is there something about America I'm overlooking?
> >>
> >>
> >> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8207245/Six-THOUSAND-families-l
> >> ine- cars-hours-food-bank-San-Antonio.html
> >>
> > There are a lot of people that live paycheck to paycheck and have little
> > savings. You expect a low income family to be in that situation but
> > there are many higher income people in a bad way if income is
> > interrupted.
> >
> > Of course, in the real world there are people that will take what they
> > can get, needed or not. I'm sure there were truly needy people that as
> > well as greedy sob's that need nothing. Problem is telling them apart.
>
> What do those people do when they need a repair for their smart cars? I'm
> not talking about peopel in beaten up vehicles who are clearly struggling
> but those who choose to buy a car with a sat nav, multi speaker sound
> system, air conditioning, super-plush upholstery, etc.

They only fix the things that are really vital.

> Surely anyone who has the means to afford such a car (and presumaby other
> possessions to match) has enough savings to pay for food for months. Yet
> a few weeks after the shutdown, those who have lost their income now have
> so little they can't afford food?
>

Yep. Some people would rather have a flash car than money in the bank.

I've got a 2004 car and money in the bank.

> Is their cash flow so bad that every dollar they earn is accounted for?
>
> Don't think me hard hearted. I fully believe those who can not afford
> food deserve what others can afford to give them -- but are these drivers
> really such people?

Probably not, except by their own choices.

Cindy Hamilton

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 9:03:12 AM UTC-5, John Kuthe wrote:
>
> The United States, PLEASE! United Statesians insist on driving new-looking cars! But NOT Smart Cars! 100% Electric Cars like my Nissan Leaf or any Tesla car! NOT some big Fire Belching INTERNAL COMBUSTION ENGINE POS!
>

> John Kuthe, Climate Anarchist and Stupider Than Most!
>
Thank you John, that was SOOOOOOOO enlightening. Another one of your stupid
posts that only draws attention to you. As usual, you've added nothing to
a discussion other than your consistent rant about electric cars.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 10:33:33 AM UTC-5, Pamela wrote:
>
> What do those people do when they need a repair for their smart cars? I'm
> not talking about peopel in beaten up vehicles who are clearly struggling
> but those who choose to buy a car with a sat nav, multi speaker sound
> system, air conditioning, super-plush upholstery, etc.
>
> Surely anyone who has the means to afford such a car (and presumaby other
> possessions to match) has enough savings to pay for food for months. Yet
> a few weeks after the shutdown, those who have lost their income now have
> so little they can't afford food?
>
> Is their cash flow so bad that every dollar they earn is accounted for?
>
> Don't think me hard hearted. I fully believe those who can not afford
> food deserve what others can afford to give them -- but are these drivers
> really such people?
>

Cindy explained it very well.

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 11:41:18 AM UTC-4, Pamela wrote:
> On 14:55 15 Apr 2020, Cindy Hamilton said:
>
> > On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 9:18:14 AM UTC-4, Pamela wrote:
> >> In news about America, I see pictures of huge numbers of cars waiting
> >> to get food parcels. The cars seem big and new. Most would qualify as
> >> a semi- luxury car in the UK.
> >
> > The picture looked like an average assortment of American cars.
> >
> >> Don't the owners of such cars, even if they were made jobless a few
> >> weeks ago, have enough savings to pay for food? How do they pay for
> >> car repairs?
> >
> > 40% of Americans have insufficient savings to easily come up with $400
> > in an emergency.
> >
> >> Is there something about America I'm overlooking?
> >
> > You're overlooking how many Americans live paycheck-to-paycheck. Some
> > 28% of Americans have no savings at all.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
>
> Those in the 40% and the 28% are clearly in need and deserve whatever can be
> provided. I bet they don't drive the cars seen in the link I posted.

Yes, in many cases they do drive those cars and then struggle to buy
food (or buy cheap fast food instead of good stuff).

> When I was earning good money, I would have considered buying such a car an
> extravagance.

It really is a little difficult to tell from pictures of the car roofs what
condition they're in. They are large, yes, but on average American cars
are large. (Gasoline is currently $1.65 per gallon where I live.) They
might have purchased used cars. I bought my 2004 SUV in 2008 because I
thought the prices of new vehicles were ridiculous.

> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8207245/Six-THOUSAND-families-line-
> cars-hours-food-bank-San-Antonio.html

Cindy Hamilton

[Cindy Hamilton]

I'm pretty sure pamela was using "smart" in the sense of "spiffy" or
"chic" or "stylish".

Cindy Hamilton

[GM]

Lol...which are less fuel/resource - efficient than IC vehicles...

--
Best
Greg

[dsi1]

Most Americans are cash poor but they like newer SUVs and pickup trucks. They will spend any excess cash on car payments. There's a lot of pressure to come up with payments for housing and cars. It's kind of a desperate situation to be living in America these days - even before this pandemic thing.

Things are going to get pretty nasty real fast with people being out of work. OTOH, my guess is that there's going to be a lot of cars being sold for cheap in the coming months. It'll probably be a good time to replace our old beater cars.

[graham]

They are not necessarily owners. Many lease their cars. When thousands
of oil-company workers were laid off a few years ago, the dealerships
here were swamped by returned cars.

[jmcquown]

On 4/15/2020 9:55 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 9:18:14 AM UTC-4, Pamela wrote:
>> In news about America, I see pictures of huge numbers of cars waiting to get
>> food parcels. The cars seem big and new. Most would qualify as a semi-
>> luxury car in the UK.
>
> The picture looked like an average assortment of American cars.
>
>> Don't the owners of such cars, even if they were made jobless a few weeks
>> ago, have enough savings to pay for food? How do they pay for car repairs?
>
> 40% of Americans have insufficient savings to easily come up with $400 in an
> emergency.
>
>> Is there something about America I'm overlooking?
>

Yes, there is. You see images of conspicuous consumption. I do, too.
But I also see a photo from the UK daily mail that doesn't describe what
I see on a daily basis.

> You're overlooking how many Americans live paycheck-to-paycheck. Some
> 28% of Americans have no savings at all.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>

Pamela is making assumptions about the US again based on foreign press
pics. Just because some people own a bigger car than is common in the
UK doesn't mean a thing. It's their only form of transporation.

This is about feeding people who have lost their jobs who are
struggling. Doesn't matter what size car they have.

Jill

[Dave Smith]

Yep. Electric cars which, in his city, are charged with electricity that
was generated in a coal fired facility. He doesn't see the fuel that
makes his magic power, so it must be clean energy.

[Dave Smith]

On 2020-04-15 12:09 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 5:37:28 AM UTC-10, Pamela wrote:

>>
>> I think you're close to the truth. Perhaps these people in their
>> big cars prefer to buy other items (to maintain the lifestyle they
>> feel they are entitled to) and saving money on food by getting it
>> free helps fund those other expenditures.
>>
>> There will be genuine cases where they can't not cut back on other
>> expenditures nor sell goods to raise money for food but I very much
>> doubt they are driving such impressive cars. Perhaps a dented
>> Chevy Caprice with rust spots but not a 3 year old SUV.
>
> Most Americans are cash poor but they like newer SUVs and pickup
> trucks. They will spend any excess cash on car payments. There's a
> lot of pressure to come up with payments for housing and cars. It's
> kind of a desperate situation to be living in America these days -
> even before this pandemic thing.

Maybe we shouldn't be too hard on the owners of expensive cars.
Sometimes there are a good investment and might actually be cheaper to
own and operate on the long run. A good quality car that runs well,
rarely needs repairs, gets good mileage and lasts for 15-20 years is
probably a money saver over a cheaply made car that self destructs after
5 years.

>
> Things are going to get pretty nasty real fast with people being out
> of work. OTOH, my guess is that there's going to be a lot of cars
> being sold for cheap in the coming months. It'll probably be a good
> time to replace our old beater cars.

That was my point in an earlier post. They likely bought the cars on
good times and never expected something like this to happen. Their $60K
car might normally be down to $30K at this time, but with so many people
out of work there is not much of a market for luxury cars, not even used
ones. Since they likely owe money on those cars they are stuck with them.

[graham]

A lot are leased though!

[Cindy Hamilton]

Yes, I had not considered that, since I would never lease a car. (Unless
something changes radically in that business model.) I'd rather buy
a good one and keep it for 15 or 20 years.

Cindy Hamilton

[Dave Smith]

On 2020-04-15 12:42 p.m., jmcquown wrote:

> Pamela is making assumptions about the US again based on foreign press
> pics.  Just because some people own a bigger car than is common in the
> UK doesn't mean a thing.  It's their only form of transporation.
>
> This is about feeding people who have lost their jobs who are
> struggling.  Doesn't matter what size car they have.

It is not out of line to wonder why anyone who drives a big expensive
car should be getting free or subsidized food. Consider the fact that
most food banks are staffed by people making minimum wage or volunteers.
It natural raises eye brows when someone pulls up in a car that gives
the impression they are better off than the people you expect to need
help from a food bank.

[Dave Smith]

That will be a double kick in the pants. The main benefit of a lease is
to be able to write off a portion of the cost as a business expense. If
you lose your business or your job, there is no business use to allow
the write off.

[Cindy Hamilton]

Millions of people lease cars without any business purpose. It keeps
their monthly payments low, which for them is the most important thing.

I googled "auto lease" and the first hit was "Lease a car today from
$109/month".

Cindy Hamilton

[Tyler Durdin]

On Wed, 15 Apr 2020 16:37:19 +0100, Pamela wrote:

> On 16:21 15 Apr 2020, Tyler Durdin said:

>> You're such a trolling cunt. Thankfully, you don't live here.

> I think you're close to the truth.

I'm exactly right.

[Bruce]

Don't criticise or even question the US or the deplorables will start
calling you names.

[Ed Pawlowski]

Few have write offs these days. Now 30% of cars are leased. You can
usually get a lower monthly payment or drive a little nicer car. If you
drive a lot of miles though, you can get screwed in the end. Of course,
if you go for the low down payment ona purchase you will probably be
under water anyway.

[Sheldon Martin]

On Wed, 15 Apr 2020 13:49:18 -0000 (UTC), Jinx the Minx
<jinx...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Pamela <pamela...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> In news about America, I see pictures of huge numbers of cars waiting to get
>> food parcels. The cars seem big and new. Most would qualify as a semi-
>> luxury car in the UK.
>>
>> Don't the owners of such cars, even if they were made jobless a few weeks
>> ago, have enough savings to pay for food? How do they pay for car repairs?
>>
>> Is there something about America I'm overlooking?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8207245/Six-THOUSAND-families-line-
>> cars-hours-food-bank-San-Antonio.html
>>
>

>The issue isn’t that people all of a sudden can’t afford food, but that
>they can’t find food. It’s been every man for himself here the past month,
>so unless you are first in line in the morning, you’re not getting, meat,
>dry pasta, rice, dairy goods, flour, sugar, bread, or much of anything at
>all.

That's it and especially true in the large highly populated cities...
those large cities have so many people that they can empty a large
store in no time.... and the truck drivers are staying away from
highly populated areas. I live in a tiny village annexed from a
slightly larger village. The entire county has a population of under
45,000. The village where I live has a population of 3,500 but half
that in winter as most are seniors who go south for the winter,
snowbirds. And our population is spread out over huge acreage... it's
very rare I see a human being on this road, mostly I see critters...
many more snapping turtles than people. Most every morning before
sunrise there's a herd of 40 pregnant does outside my window, I swear
I didn't do it, even I wouldn't stand a chance against those huge
dicked horny bucks. Any of yoose gals want the thrill of your life
hunker down over one of my tree stumps.

[jmcquown]

On 4/15/2020 3:42 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

I used to work with a woman who always leased her car. Swapped it out
every 6-9 months. I never understood it. It wasn't a business expense
she could write off. She did it because her [then] husband thought
leasing was a good idea. Not something I'd ever consider.

Jill

[Bruce]

On Wed, 15 Apr 2020 13:49:18 -0000 (UTC), Jinx the Minx
<jinx...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Pamela <pamela...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> In news about America, I see pictures of huge numbers of cars waiting to get
>> food parcels. The cars seem big and new. Most would qualify as a semi-
>> luxury car in the UK.
>>
>> Don't the owners of such cars, even if they were made jobless a few weeks
>> ago, have enough savings to pay for food? How do they pay for car repairs?
>>
>> Is there something about America I'm overlooking?
>>
>> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8207245/Six-THOUSAND-families-line-
>> cars-hours-food-bank-San-Antonio.html
>>
>
>The issue isn’t that people all of a sudden can’t afford food, but that
>they can’t find food. It’s been every man for himself here the past month,
>so unless you are first in line in the morning, you’re not getting, meat,
>dry pasta, rice, dairy goods, flour, sugar, bread, or much of anything at
>all.

Is it really that bad? We went to the supermarket yesterday.
Everything was available, except hand sanitizer. A few things were one
per customer and sometimes our preferred brand wasn't there, but
alternatives were. No need to go to a food bank :)

[Sheldon Martin]

On Wed, 15 Apr 2020 10:12:25 -0400, Dave Smith
<adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>On 2020-04-15 9:56 a.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 4/15/2020 9:18 AM, Pamela wrote:
>

>>> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8207245/Six-THOUSAND-families-line-

>>>
>>> cars-hours-food-bank-San-Antonio.html
>>>
>> There are a lot of people that live paycheck to paycheck and have little
>> savings.  You expect a low income family to be in that situation but
>> there are many higher income people in a bad way if income is interrupted.
>>
>> Of course, in the real world there are people that will take what they
>> can get, needed or not.  I'm sure there were truly needy people that as
>> well as  greedy sob's that need nothing.  Problem is telling them apart.
>
>

>People with lavish life styles aren't always wealthy. In many cases they
>are just good at getting their hands on other people's money. My SiL's
>father is one of them. He claims to have been a millionaire five times.
>He bounced back after a series of bankruptsies. He once called my
>brother to come and get their fridge.... quick. It was as about to be
>repossessed. His wife is high maintenance. She is over 80 and still
>taking expensive golf lessons at the club they can barely afford. They
>have no cash, can't afford to go and visit their kids, can't afford
>birthday and Christmas presents, but they can scrape up the money for
>the club so she can present an appearance of wealth.

There are extremely few people over 80 who can play 18 holes, and of
those who claim to cheat on their scoring. My wife is 72 and can play
18 without a cart but she doesn't know for how much longer... she
knows several people who gave it up long ago. Many courses are flat
so with a cart they can still play but the courses around here are
mountainous, people over 50 can't play without a cart and many over
seventy can't play with a cart. My wife is in very good phyisical
shape and can play without a cart but she admits for not much longer.

[graham]

That's my way too. I had a mini-van for about 15 years and then gave it
to my son, who surprisingly got another 100k km out of it before the
engine died. I then had a Toyota Highlander for 15 years before giving
it to my d-i-l as she needed a car to cart around the twins. It's still
going strong at nearly 20 years old.

[graham]

I don't drive that much and service my car using the month rather than
the kms. In fact, I have never reached the km limit in 30 years.
I prefer to own outright. It comes from hating to owe money, something
that was instilled in me as a child.

[Dave Smith]

It's a good marketing gimmick. First you need a hefty down payment. Then
you make monthly payments. Those monthly payments tend to be cheaper
than paying off a loan, but at the end of the lease you don't have a
car. There is also a limit on mileage. If you go over that limit you
pay a hefty amount per mile. If there is any body damage you will have
to pay for repairs. It leaves the company with a lot of relatively late
model low mileage cars they can sell as used cars.

My brother used to lease a car for work because it was cheaper than
owning one due to the tax incentives. He could write off his lease
payments, which was better than depreciation.

I could have leased my last new vehicle but I figured I would rather pay
the extra money each month in car payments and end up owning it.

[Dave Smith]

Another thing about the marketing angle of it is that after 2, 3, 4
years when the lease is up, the lessee will be looking for a nice new
car. The company will have a relatively late model, low mileage car to
resell on the used car lot.

[Dave Smith]

My brother likes driving new cars and buys a new one every 2-3 years,
even though he puts very few miles on them. He is pretty good at
stretching pennies, but he figures that buying is way better than
leasing. I had an uncle who insisted on renting. He rented houses and
cars. I can remember my father and my other uncles trying to convince
him that he would be better off to buy things and own than than to pay
monthly rent so that other people could end up owning them.

[Dave Smith]

I didn't say she was playing 18 holes. I said that she was taking
expensive lessons that they really could not afford. She had been
playing golf for decades, so if she still needs lessons at her age she
is really beyond hope. It is all for appearances. My father in law,
OTOH, played golf into his 90s, and he walked the course. He was the
exception rather than the rule. He had no problem finding people to play
even though most of his old friends had long since died. He was a dynamo.

[Dave Smith]

On 2020-04-15 5:12 p.m., graham wrote:

> I don't drive that much and service my car using the month rather than
> the kms. In fact, I have never reached the km limit in 30 years.
> I prefer to own outright. It comes from hating to owe money, something
> that was instilled in me as a child.

When my wife and I were both working we needed two reliable cars, so we
bought a lot of new cars or gently used vehicles. Once they got to the
point where they were starting to become unreliable I replaced them. Now
that we are retired and can afford to be without one of the cars for a
while we drive them into the ground. It's a lot cheaper to spend $1000
a year on repairs than it is to buy a new car. When it gets to the point
where it costs more per month to keep them on the road than to replace
them we opt to replace.

[Bruce]

On Wed, 15 Apr 2020 18:05:32 -0400, Dave Smith

Time for an intervention, Dave. You can't let this go on any longer!

[Pamela]

If America is anything like the UK, the well-off and capable get the maximum
out of the welfare system while the impoverished and needy have to take their
chance.

[Bruce]

On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 00:09:29 +0100, Pamela <pamela...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On 20:33 15 Apr 2020, Dave Smith said:
>
>> On 2020-04-15 12:42 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>> Pamela is making assumptions about the US again based on foreign press

>>> pics.  Just because some people own a bigger car than is common in the
>>> UK doesn't mean a thing.  It's their only form of transporation.

>>>
>>> This is about feeding people who have lost their jobs who are

>>> struggling.  Doesn't matter what size car they have.

>>
>> It is not out of line to wonder why anyone who drives a big expensive
>> car should be getting free or subsidized food. Consider the fact that
>> most food banks are staffed by people making minimum wage or volunteers.
>> It natural raises eye brows when someone pulls up in a car that gives
>> the impression they are better off than the people you expect to need
>> help from a food bank.
>
>If America is anything like the UK, the well-off and capable get the maximum
>out of the welfare system while the impoverished and needy have to take their
>chance.

If I was poor, I'd rather rely on UK healthcare than on US healthcare.

[Hank Rogers]

Bruce wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 00:09:29 +0100, Pamela <pamela...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 20:33 15 Apr 2020, Dave Smith said:
>>
>>> On 2020-04-15 12:42 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>>> Pamela is making assumptions about the US again based on foreign press

>>>> pics.  Just because some people own a bigger car than is common in the
>>>> UK doesn't mean a thing.  It's their only form of transporation.

>>>>
>>>> This is about feeding people who have lost their jobs who are

>>>> struggling.  Doesn't matter what size car they have.

>>>
>>> It is not out of line to wonder why anyone who drives a big expensive
>>> car should be getting free or subsidized food. Consider the fact that
>>> most food banks are staffed by people making minimum wage or volunteers.
>>> It natural raises eye brows when someone pulls up in a car that gives
>>> the impression they are better off than the people you expect to need
>>> help from a food bank.
>>
>> If America is anything like the UK, the well-off and capable get the maximum
>> out of the welfare system while the impoverished and needy have to take their
>> chance.
>
> If I was poor, I'd rather rely on UK healthcare than on US healthcare.
>

We do have a shit healthcare system.
Worse, there is no hope for much improvement.

[Ed Pawlowski]

I don't get it but I know people that think by renting they have less
headaches, no repair worries and the like. Faucet broke? Just call the
landlord.

I had the idea to have the house the way I want it and have it paid long
before retirement. I want the nice stove and dishwasher that I want,
not the cheap-o the landlord wants. Of course I have taxes and
insurance but thousands less than what rent would be.

Cars are never a good buy. I did lease one once because it seemed to
make some sense at the time and I bought it at the end of the lease,
Sixteen years later I sold it for $100.

[Jinx the Minx]

Yes. I haven’t been able to buy toilet paper, yeast, or flour since the end
of February, and until last week, I was going almost daily. I could post
pics of our bare pasta, bread, soup, rice, and canned vegetable aisles if
you still doubt. It’s getting better now, but for quite a few weeks in
March you couldn’t get any of those items unless you came right away when
the stores opened first thing in the morning. The second paragraph in the
article she posted makes mention of that. Sanitizing supplies of any kind
are but a dream. Still can’t find Lysol, hand soap, hand sanitizer, rubbing
alcohol, peroxide, or bleach.

[Bruce]

On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 03:55:29 -0000 (UTC), Jinx the Minx

Then your supply lines are more fragile than ours or your people are
panic buying more.

My only problem was people getting way too close to me in the
supermarket, almost touching. Especially old people, strangely enough,
who have the most reason to be careful. And the trolleys weren't being
sanitised.

[Cindy Hamilton]

Heh. My husband knows a guy who leased a car, didn't understand the
contract, and used his car at his job as a pizza driver. Boy, howdy!
Was he surprised when the lease ended!

Cindy Hamilton

[Opinicus]

On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 14:20:10 +1000, Bruce <br...@null.null> wrote:

> My only problem was people getting way too close to me in the
> supermarket, almost touching. Especially old people, strangely enough,
> who have the most reason to be careful.

"Old people" aren't even allowed into supermarkets here. (Actually
we're not even supposed to be out on the street. However I have a very
young and energetic dog who won't do his business in the yard. So if
anyone should ask (no one has, this is a small town) I plan to them I
was born in 1956--it's a believable lie.) When you do go into a store
of any kind the number of people allowed inside at one time is
strictly limited according to the amount of interior space. Many
mom-and-pop/corner grocery stores have set up barriers with counters
at their door and fetch items from inside the shop themselves.

Procedures like these have been in effect in Germany for a long time I
understand and they must be working because I see now that Merkel is
talking about easing restrictions. Here in Turkey we've probably got
at least another month before we (hopefully) reach that stage.

--
Bob
St Francis would have done better to preach to the cats

[Ed Pawlowski]

>>> Pamela <pamela...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> In news about America, I see pictures of huge numbers of cars waiting to get
>>>> food parcels. The cars seem big and new. Most would qualify as a semi-
>>>> luxury car in the UK.
>>>>
>>>> Don't the owners of such cars, even if they were made jobless a few weeks
>>>> ago, have enough savings to pay for food? How do they pay for car repairs?
>>>>
>>>> Is there something about America I'm overlooking?
>>>>

There are also a few greedy people too. In Tampa, FL you could pick up
a weeks supply of food at three different locations. A few people went
to all three locations, got a bag of food and then offered it for sale
on Facebook.

Some of the volunteers said when placing the bags in cars they saw other
food supplies already there.

[Pamela]

Food banks serve an important need but there are some remarkable well-shod
people going there.

In one instance, a man in the UK was interviewed at a food bank on why he had
visited. He said he had lost his job the day before. How did he run out of
food so fast, especially as the British welfare system makes payments
designed to cover the cost of food.

[Jinx the Minx]

I totally agree with you. The panic buyers are the worst. I was only able
to get the very last dozen eggs on the shelf the other week because the
lady looking at them in front of me didn’t know what brown eggs were. She
stepped away, I grabbed them, and then told her “they’re the same as white
eggs, only they’re brown!”

Then I meandered to the freezer section, and witnessed an old married
couple shopping together. It’s recommended that only one family member do
the shopping at the moment. The wife was wearing a mask, but only over her
mouth and not her nose, and her husband wasn’t wearing one at all. He was
peering over her shoulder in a freezer case, door wide open, and hacked up
a giant sick cough without covering it AT ALL, directly into the freezer
case. That pretty much ended my grocery trip. Costco much the same. People
coughing everywhere, everything out of stock, but I did manage to at least
get a 20# bag of rice there.

I’m technically considered immunocompromised, but I don’t feel right doing
my shopping during the special “sick and old people” reserved shopping
hours, so I tough it out and go with the hoarders and coughers that don’t
understand social distancing.

[Jinx the Minx]

I totally believe that. People are unscrupulous.

[Gary]

Jinx the Minx wrote:
>
> Yes. I haven't been able to buy toilet paper, yeast, or flour since the end
> of February, and until last week, I was going almost daily.

Almost daily? Is that normal shopping for you or because you
were trying to get something unavailable?

Q: Weren't you the owner of Hizzoner's?
If so you live in Bellingham, WA?
Just wondering what area of the US you live.
I just like to know where regulars here live when talking
about weather or current corona conditions.

[Gary]

Pamela wrote:
> Don't think me hard hearted. I fully believe those who can not afford
> food deserve what others can afford to give them -- but are these drivers
> really such people?

Maybe not all but worthless to speculate about others and
what they do. Many different situations.

As others have mentioned, these people might have nicer
cars but also with a monthly payment required and with jobs
lost right now, hard to pay their bills.

[Gary]

Bruce wrote:
> My only problem was people getting way too close to me in the
> supermarket, almost touching. Especially old people, strangely enough,
> who have the most reason to be careful. And the trolleys weren't being
> sanitised.

The trolleys (aka carts here) are being sanitized by the store
people. Regardless, I do that anyway each year during prime
flu season.

I suspect that Australia (and all the southern hemisphere)
won't have this so bad now that you are just now entering
your normal winter flu season.

Everyone south of the equator has seen what's been
happening up north and is forewarned. Best right now
to cancel all flights into Australia for a bit.

Easily said but hard to impliment.

If you would like, maybe we can send Trump down there
for a golf vacation and yoose all can blame him if it
gets bad.

[jmcquown]

On 4/15/2020 2:06 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2020-04-15 11:57 a.m., itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
>> On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 9:03:12 AM UTC-5, John Kuthe wrote:
>>>
>>> The United States, PLEASE! United Statesians insist on driving
>>> new-looking cars! But NOT Smart Cars! 100% Electric Cars like my
>>> Nissan Leaf or any Tesla car! NOT some big Fire Belching INTERNAL
>>> COMBUSTION ENGINE POS!
>>>
>>> John Kuthe, Climate Anarchist and Stupider Than Most!
>>>
>> Thank you John, that was SOOOOOOOO enlightening.  Another one of your
>> stupid
>> posts that only draws attention to you.  As usual, you've added
>> nothing to
>> a discussion other than your consistent rant about electric cars.
>>
>
> Yep. Electric cars which, in his city, are charged with electricity that
> was generated in a coal fired facility.  He doesn't see the fuel that
> makes his magic power, so it must be clean energy.
>
He still has that silly gasoline fueld van he calls "Baby" or some such
nonsense.

Jill

[Ed Pawlowski]

I don't know if it is any different now but schools never taught
anything about personal finances, many parents no better. Fact is, most
of us at sometime in our lives will find ourselves without a job for
some time. There will always be some unprepared that will have a tough
time.

Lean times when you are young can be a good teacher too. I know I'd do
some things different next time around.

[U.S. Janet B.]

used cars of only a couple of years have much, much lower prices and
may look brand new but be very affordable. What Pamela considers a
luxury is probably the cheapest way to get a car. Tiny cars aren't so
much seen here.
Janet US

[col...@gmail.com]

I only buy whole grain pasta and many won't eat it, even tho it's much healthier.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 7:10:25 AM UTC-5, Opinicus wrote:
>
> "Old people" aren't even allowed into supermarkets here.
>

Here, the elderly are given special shopping hours depending on the chain
grocery store they do their shopping. Some have hours for them from 6:00
a.m. until 7:00 a.m. Some are 7:00 a.m. until 8:00 a.m.

I've been to three different grocery chains this week on different days and
all have their entrances and exits blocked off; you enter in single file. No
milling around the front doors coming and going and carts are being sanitized
for customers. They've also been monitoring how many are in the store at a
time.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 10:57:08 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
>
> Jinx the Minx wrote:
> >
> > Yes. I haven't been able to buy toilet paper, yeast, or flour since the end
> > of February, and until last week, I was going almost daily.
>
> Almost daily? Is that normal shopping for you or because you
> were trying to get something unavailable?
>

Did you stop to think she's might have been going to the store almost
daily in hopes of finding a pack of toilet paper??

>
> Q: Weren't you the owner of Hizzoner's?
>

No.

>
> If so you live in Bellingham, WA?
> Just wondering what area of the US you live.
> I just like to know where regulars here live when talking
> about weather or current corona conditions.
>

I have no idea where Jinx lives.

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 11:57:08 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> Jinx the Minx wrote:
> >
> > Yes. I haven't been able to buy toilet paper, yeast, or flour since the end
> > of February, and until last week, I was going almost daily.
>
> Almost daily? Is that normal shopping for you or because you
> were trying to get something unavailable?

Some urban dwellers shop every day. Some people enjoy shopping.

Cindy Hamilton

[jmcquown]

You live in Turkey?

Jill

[Hank Rogers]

col...@gmail.com wrote:
> I only buy whole grain pasta and many won't eat it, even tho it's much healthier.
>

Glad you like it. I tried it once. It was not very good to my taste.

I *would* eat it if that's all I could get. It is somewhat palatable.

Hmm, maybe a little Worcestershire sauce ...

[Ophelia]

"Gary" wrote in message news:5E98804B...@att.net...

=====

No! I can't remember her name but she does post here regularly, but it's
not our Jinx!



--
This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
https://www.avg.com

[Bruce]

On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 15:10:20 +0300, Opinicus
<gez...@spamcop.net.which.is.not.quite.invalid> wrote:

>On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 14:20:10 +1000, Bruce <br...@null.null> wrote:
>
>> My only problem was people getting way too close to me in the
>> supermarket, almost touching. Especially old people, strangely enough,
>> who have the most reason to be careful.
>
>"Old people" aren't even allowed into supermarkets here. (Actually
>we're not even supposed to be out on the street.

I don't mean "old" in a derogatory way. We all hope to get there. But
they looked 70+ and not the healthiest 70+. They should be even more
afraid of catching the virus than me, yet I kept my distance and they
didn't.

>However I have a very young and energetic dog who won't do his
>business in the yard. So if anyone should ask (no one has, this is
>a small town) I plan to them I was born in 1956--it's a believable lie.)

What if you didn't have a yard? Can't you say that you don't if they
would ask?

>When you do go into a store
>of any kind the number of people allowed inside at one time is
>strictly limited according to the amount of interior space. Many
>mom-and-pop/corner grocery stores have set up barriers with counters
>at their door and fetch items from inside the shop themselves.

We hadn't been to a supermarket for 3 weeks. I was expecting they'd
sanitize the trolley handles and monitor how many people would be
inside at the same time. But they did neither. Granted things aren't
as bad in Australia as in the US and some European countries, but
you'd want to keep it that way.

>Procedures like these have been in effect in Germany for a long time I
>understand and they must be working because I see now that Merkel is
>talking about easing restrictions. Here in Turkey we've probably got
>at least another month before we (hopefully) reach that stage.

I believe the Germans have also been testing more than most countries.

[Dave Smith]

On 2020-04-16 1:05 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 4/16/2020 11:59 AM, Gary wrote:

>
> I don't know if it is any different now but schools never taught
> anything about personal finances, many parents no better.  Fact is, most
> of us at sometime in our lives will find ourselves without a job for
> some time.  There will always be some unprepared that will have a tough
> time.
>

I wonder if they could dare to teach personal finances without offending
the political correctness standards in the community. In some
communities you would be talking about income from employment, mortgage
payments, insurance, car payments, food, clothing, utilities,
entertainment etc. In others it would be welfare payments, rent and fast
food.

> Lean times when you are young can be a good teacher too.  I know I'd do
> some things different next time around.

It certainly built character in some people.

[Hank Rogers]

Yes, and in fact, some women do consider it an athletic sport. My
ex did :)

Seriously, it's killing me. I used to shop every 3-4 weeks, and it
was nice. Now, 2 months ... and lots of things are not in stock.

Seems so recent that trump said all this shit would be over by
easter. He couldn't be w ... wr... wrong, could he? Why would he
put his name on the relief checks?

[Dave Smith]

On 2020-04-16 1:38 p.m., col...@gmail.com wrote:
> I only buy whole grain pasta and many won't eat it, even tho it's much healthier.
>

Most people think that whole wheat pasta is pretty bad. When I met with
a cardiac dietitian she recommended Catelli Smart pasta. It has lots of
fibre in it but still tastes good. It has become our regular pasta.

[Bruce]

On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 15:22:08 -0000 (UTC), Jinx the Minx

<jinx...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Bruce <br...@null.null> wrote:

>> My only problem was people getting way too close to me in the
>> supermarket, almost touching. Especially old people, strangely enough,
>> who have the most reason to be careful. And the trolleys weren't being
>> sanitised.
>>
>
>I totally agree with you. The panic buyers are the worst. I was only able
>to get the very last dozen eggs on the shelf the other week because the
>lady looking at them in front of me didn’t know what brown eggs were. She
>stepped away, I grabbed them, and then told her “they’re the same as white
>eggs, only they’re brown!”

Lol, how clueless of her.

>Then I meandered to the freezer section, and witnessed an old married
>couple shopping together. It’s recommended that only one family member do
>the shopping at the moment. The wife was wearing a mask, but only over her
>mouth and not her nose, and her husband wasn’t wearing one at all. He was
>peering over her shoulder in a freezer case, door wide open, and hacked up
>a giant sick cough without covering it AT ALL, directly into the freezer
>case. That pretty much ended my grocery trip. Costco much the same. People
>coughing everywhere, everything out of stock, but I did manage to at least
>get a 20# bag of rice there.

Gross. I wonder if these people don't watch the news, don't understand
the news or just forget all about it.

>I’m technically considered immunocompromised, but I don’t feel right doing
>my shopping during the special “sick and old people” reserved shopping
>hours, so I tough it out and go with the hoarders and coughers that don’t
>understand social distancing.

I'd join the "sick and old" if I were you. It's not like you're taking
someone else's place.

[Dave Smith]

On 2020-04-16 2:04 p.m., itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
> On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 7:10:25 AM UTC-5, Opinicus wrote:
>>
>> "Old people" aren't even allowed into supermarkets here.
>>
> Here, the elderly are given special shopping hours depending on the chain
> grocery store they do their shopping. Some have hours for them from 6:00
> a.m. until 7:00 a.m. Some are 7:00 a.m. until 8:00 a.m.

They have senior hours here, but they don't ask for proof of age and
there are a lot of people in theirs 30s and 40s coming out for it.


Last week I went to Costco in another town for their seniors hour, 8-9
am. I was there at 7:45 and the store was already opened and I went
right in. I was finished and out of there by 8:10 and when I went out
to the car there were hundreds of people lined up to get in, and only
about half them were seniors. Another day I went to another grocery
store for its senior hours. I had to wait a while to get in. When I was
finished there were only half as many people lined up. Next time I will
just go later.

[Bruce]

On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 12:02:31 -0400, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:

>Bruce wrote:
>> My only problem was people getting way too close to me in the
>> supermarket, almost touching. Especially old people, strangely enough,
>> who have the most reason to be careful. And the trolleys weren't being
>> sanitised.
>
>The trolleys (aka carts here) are being sanitized by the store
>people. Regardless, I do that anyway each year during prime
>flu season.
>
>I suspect that Australia (and all the southern hemisphere)
>won't have this so bad now that you are just now entering
>your normal winter flu season.

They don't really know yet if this virus reacts to the seasons, do
they? Australia's doing relatively well, in spite of some big
mistakes, but they don't know whether that's due to the season. It
also doesn't get that cold in winter in a large part of the country.

>Everyone south of the equator has seen what's been
>happening up north and is forewarned. Best right now
>to cancel all flights into Australia for a bit.
>
>Easily said but hard to impliment.

I don't think many flights are allowed to come in at the moment, like
in most countries.

>If you would like, maybe we can send Trump down there
>for a golf vacation and yoose all can blame him if it
>gets bad.

Blame your hero? We wouldn't want to upset you.

[Hank Rogers]

Mmmmmm, turkey ... pass the cornbread dressing and the giblet gravy
please. And I'll have another of these delicious rolls.

[Bruce]

On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 11:59:51 -0400, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:

I know neighbourhoods in my home town where people's cars are almost
worth more than the houses that they rent. A matter of priorities.

[Dave Smith]

My brother's wife lives to shop. It's one of her favourite things to do.
She has a friend who shops with her. The meet up and go out to various
malls and stores. She likes shopping so much she will buy things her
friend likes. That is how she spends her Saturdays and Sundays.

[Bruce]

On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 16:00:41 -0400, Dave Smith
<adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>On 2020-04-16 2:04 p.m., itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
>> On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 7:10:25 AM UTC-5, Opinicus wrote:
>>>
>>> "Old people" aren't even allowed into supermarkets here.
>>>
>> Here, the elderly are given special shopping hours depending on the chain
>> grocery store they do their shopping. Some have hours for them from 6:00
>> a.m. until 7:00 a.m. Some are 7:00 a.m. until 8:00 a.m.
>
>They have senior hours here, but they don't ask for proof of age and
>there are a lot of people in theirs 30s and 40s coming out for it.

Such a predictable "Dave Smith" bitch :) Completely in line with his
handicapped parking abusers drama.

[Bruce]

Had you already bitched about her before or is excessive shopping your
only gripe with her? Probably not.

[Bruce]

On Wed, 15 Apr 2020 18:28:37 -0500, Hank Rogers <Nos...@invalid.com>
wrote:

>Bruce wrote:
>> On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 00:09:29 +0100, Pamela <pamela...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 20:33 15 Apr 2020, Dave Smith said:
>>>
>>>> On 2020-04-15 12:42 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Pamela is making assumptions about the US again based on foreign press
>>>>> pics.  Just because some people own a bigger car than is common in the
>>>>> UK doesn't mean a thing.  It's their only form of transporation.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is about feeding people who have lost their jobs who are
>>>>> struggling.  Doesn't matter what size car they have.
>>>>
>>>> It is not out of line to wonder why anyone who drives a big expensive
>>>> car should be getting free or subsidized food. Consider the fact that
>>>> most food banks are staffed by people making minimum wage or volunteers.
>>>> It natural raises eye brows when someone pulls up in a car that gives
>>>> the impression they are better off than the people you expect to need
>>>> help from a food bank.
>>>
>>> If America is anything like the UK, the well-off and capable get the maximum
>>> out of the welfare system while the impoverished and needy have to take their
>>> chance.
>>
>> If I was poor, I'd rather rely on UK healthcare than on US healthcare.
>>
>
>We do have a shit healthcare system.
>Worse, there is no hope for much improvement.

It seems that way.

[Pamela]

On 20:55 16 Apr 2020, Hank Rogers said:

> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 11:57:08 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
>>> Jinx the Minx wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yes. I haven't been able to buy toilet paper, yeast, or flour since
>>>> the end of February, and until last week, I was going almost daily.
>>>
>>> Almost daily? Is that normal shopping for you or because you were
>>> trying to get something unavailable?
>>
>> Some urban dwellers shop every day. Some people enjoy shopping.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
>
> Yes, and in fact, some women do consider it an athletic sport. My ex did
> :)
>
> Seriously, it's killing me. I used to shop every 3-4 weeks, and it was
> nice. Now, 2 months ... and lots of things are not in stock.

I too keep quite a lot of stock at home because I don't like shopping
repeatedly for items I know I am going to need. I might buy months in
advance. So if I find an item that's been out of stock for a while, then I
buy a lot but, at times like these , it ends up being a vicious circle.

> Seems so recent that trump said all this shit would be over by easter.
> He couldn't be w ... wr... wrong, could he? Why would he put his name on
> the relief checks?

Pelosi put it well when she said Trump is unable to lead because he's weak.

[Pamela]

I'm no expert in the American healthcare system but it seems there's going
to be a lot of people, especially undocumented, getting sick but not
treated.

Surely this will create a reservoir of disease affecting everyone. The
poor do the menial jobs the wealthy don't wish to do, but will now be
infecting them in the process.

[Taxed and Spent]

On 4/15/2020 4:15 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 00:09:29 +0100, Pamela <pamela...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 20:33 15 Apr 2020, Dave Smith said:
>>
>>> On 2020-04-15 12:42 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>>> Pamela is making assumptions about the US again based on foreign press

>>>> pics.  Just because some people own a bigger car than is common in the
>>>> UK doesn't mean a thing.  It's their only form of transporation.

>>>>
>>>> This is about feeding people who have lost their jobs who are

>>>> struggling.  Doesn't matter what size car they have.

>>>
>>> It is not out of line to wonder why anyone who drives a big expensive
>>> car should be getting free or subsidized food. Consider the fact that
>>> most food banks are staffed by people making minimum wage or volunteers.
>>> It natural raises eye brows when someone pulls up in a car that gives
>>> the impression they are better off than the people you expect to need
>>> help from a food bank.
>>
>> If America is anything like the UK, the well-off and capable get the maximum
>> out of the welfare system while the impoverished and needy have to take their
>> chance.
>
> If I was poor, I'd rather rely on UK healthcare than on US healthcare.
>

I don't think it is a good idea to trash our health care system based on
what the poor desire.

[jmcquown]

It's a minor distinction for me. AFAIK most pasta is made from wheat.

Jill

[Dave Smith]

When someone is seriously hurt or sick and dying, health care is more of
a need than a desire.

[jmcquown]

On 4/16/2020 11:56 AM, Gary wrote:
> Jinx the Minx wrote:
>>
>> Yes. I haven't been able to buy toilet paper, yeast, or flour since the end
>> of February, and until last week, I was going almost daily.
>
> Almost daily? Is that normal shopping for you or because you
> were trying to get something unavailable?
>

> Q: Weren't you the owner of Hizzoner's?

No, that was ImStillMags.

Jill

[Dave Smith]

I don't think I ever had whole wheat pasta. All I know is that the
dietitian said that most people don't like it, but that the Smart stuff
has the benefits and still tastes good.

[Bruce]

Amazing that this was news to you.

[Pamela]

That stuff is chock full of fibre!

https://www.catelli.ca/en/pastas/smart-spaghetti/

I've never tasted whole wheat pasta which is any good, so that stuff seems
quite different.

[Taxed and Spent]

Yes, that is why we should not trash our health care system.

[Bruce]

This is a good moment to see where its flaws are. And not just in the
US.

[Taxed and Spent]

Indeed. And not just with the health care system. But it won't happen.
It never does.

[Bruce]

On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 14:33:27 -0700, Taxed and Spent

No, probably not, although this might not be the last virus to come
out of hiding.

[jmcquown]

I recall seeing "whole wheat" pasta on store shelves dating back to the
1980's. The difference is appearance; it looks brown. It's a bit
chewier when cooked. Not bad but not exactly something I'd pay more for
and tout as more healthy.

Jill

[Dave Smith]

I thought that we were trashing the health care for profit model, not
the one that looks after the health care needs of everyone.

[Taxed and Spent]

It certainly won't be. And maybe some individuals will have learned to
be better prepared. Some, but not many.

[Taxed and Spent]

I haven't seen such a system you speak of. It doesn't exist.

[Bruce]

On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 17:36:33 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

Doctor Jill says it's not healthier, people!

[col...@gmail.com]

Barilla whole grain penne says to cook it 9-10 min, I cook it 12 min