Summer Grilling

[Dave Smith]

My old BBQ was starting show its age. The doors had broken years ago. It
had very uneven heat. When I cleaned it out the other day I noted that
two of the three burners were cracked and the other had a lot of holes
plugged with metal that was flaking from the inside. The grills were
flaking badly. Time for a new one. I went out yesterday and bought a
nice Weber propane grill.

Several people seemed surprised that I was going to assemble it myself
rather than have the store do it. When I got home, unloaded the box and
started unpacking it I began to think that would have been a good idea.
Holy cow there were a lot of parts, and they were packed for saving
space, not in any sort of order of assembly.

It took more than two hours. Once I got the base finished there were few
parts of confuse things and the instruction manual was starting to make
sense. I have to give Weber credit for making a product with parts
that fit together the way they are supposed to. Once I figured out
which part went where and the order to do them they lined up perfectly.

When it was all done I sparked her up for the smoke test. There was a
nice, even blue flame all the way along all three burners. I am looking
forward to cooking on this baby.

[jay]

Sounds like a nice grill. I would much prefer to assemble my own things
than have the store do it. You will at least know you used all the
parts and torqued everything adequately. I use a gas grill a lot. Mine
is hooked to NG. Yes Weber still makes nice products. The spark
mechanisms on all the grills I have owned don't last very long. I quit
replacing them and light with a match.

[Dave Smith]

On 2019-06-14 10:58 a.m., jay wrote:

> Sounds like a nice grill.  I would much prefer to assemble my own things
> than have the store do it.  You will at least know you used all the
> parts and torqued everything adequately. I use a gas grill a lot.

I am too damned impulsive. I should have planned ahead and had a gas
line installed and got the NG model.
I have to confess that I had two parts left over. They are just rubber
caps that should fit on a protruding bolt somewhere. It started raining
again. I will check it out late on.

Mine
> is hooked to NG. Yes Weber still makes nice products.  The spark
> mechanisms on all the grills I have owned  don't last very long.  I quit
> replacing them and light with a match.

This one is battery powered so, in theory, you only have to replace
the battery. That didn't work on my old one. I did not that there was a
display rack of 5 packs of BBQ starters right next to the Weber and
Napolean demos.

[penm...@aol.com]

On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 11:29:20 -0400, Dave Smith
<adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>On 2019-06-14 10:58 a.m., jay wrote:
>
>> Sounds like a nice grill.  I would much prefer to assemble my own things
>> than have the store do it.  You will at least know you used all the
>> parts and torqued everything adequately. I use a gas grill a lot.
>
>I am too damned impulsive. I should have planned ahead and had a gas
>line installed and got the NG model.

You can still hook it up to gas, a bulk propane tank, a fifty gallon
tank is small and will last all season, maybe two seasons, Ours is
connected to a 500 gallon tank that we use for heating and regular
cooking, but we have a 50 gallon tank that heats my small work shop.
The propane company comes to fill up the tanks and the propane costs
less than bringing your small tank to be filled.
Weber gas grills will operate on both natural gas or propane, there's
a kit to make the conversion.

[U.S. Janet B.]

On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 08:58:37 -0600, jay <j...@mail.com> wrote:

snip

>Sounds like a nice grill. I would much prefer to assemble my own things
>than have the store do it. You will at least know you used all the
>parts and torqued everything adequately. I use a gas grill a lot. Mine
>is hooked to NG. Yes Weber still makes nice products. The spark
>mechanisms on all the grills I have owned don't last very long. I quit
>replacing them and light with a match.

I thought they were all powered by a battery?
Janet US

[jay]

Mine doesn't have a battery. It works great for a while and it's a bit
pricey. The battery version may be better not sure it retrofits to my
grill though.

https://www.thebbqdepot.com/lynx-rotary-spark-ignitor-12004/

It has a 5 star review from one person that hasn't had it very long. If
you don't use them often they may last a really long time. I have gone
through several prior to switching to a match.

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 6/14/2019 11:56 AM, penm...@aol.com wrote:


> Weber gas grills will operate on both natural gas or propane, there's
> a kit to make the conversion.
>

No, there is not.

From the Weber web site:
Due to safety considerations, the complexity of the components involved,
as well as the level of disassembly required, we don’t allow conversions
or provide conversion kits. Converting a Weber grill will actually void
the warranty on the unit and might create an unsafe situation.

We do sell most of our gas grill models in both a propane version and a
natural gas version, so if you're planning on purchasing a new grill,
please make sure that you're selecting the appropriate model for the
fuel type you plan on using.

We are very sorry for any disappointment this may cause, but the safety
of our fans always comes first. You can read more about this in our blog
on the subject here.

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 6/14/2019 11:29 AM, Dave Smith wrote:

> I am too damned impulsive. I should have planned ahead and had a gas
> line installed and got the NG model.
> I have to confess that I had two parts left over. They are just rubber
> caps that should fit on a protruding bolt somewhere. It started raining
> again.  I will check it out late on.
>
>

When our house was being built I had the option of paying a ridiculous
price for the gas line. Glad I did. Especially when I do long time
things like a brisket overnight. No more changing tanks and hauling
them to a fill station.

[jay]

Pretty sure they used to. It is a very easy conversion. Lawyers
probably made 'em quit.

[Dave Smith]

When my brother moved into a house down the road he brought his old NG
BBQ and had a guy come to install the line to the patio. It was going
to cost a bundle to bring a line all the way from the main pipe to the
furnace. My brother suggested he could just tap into the line to the gas
fireplace on the wall just inside from the patio. The install said it
would not work because the line was not big enough to feed the furnace
and the BBQ. Brother pointed out that he uses the fireplace in the
winter and the BBQ in the summer and was pretty sure that he would not
be using both at the same time.

[graham]

A former neighbour of mine used his year-round, even when the
temperature was below -20C.

[jmcquown]

Probably for good reason. Some folks simply aren't good DYI'ers. They
take shortcuts or don't read the directions. Or a bunch of
good-old-boys were drinking beer and someone said "Hey! Let's install
this conversion kit!

Ever heard of deep fried turkey? I used to see turkey fryers on sale at
the local hardware store. Taste of deep fried turkey aside... lawyers
got involved because idiots managed to set themselves on fire or burn
down their homes. The companies have to protect themselves from morons.

Jill

[Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl]

Try putting an elliptical together or a treadmill. Now those things
are a pain in the ass. They must have been like 30 bolts and they are
all different sizes, but its not like one 2 inches and the others were
4 inches. I mean like 4 bolts would be 4 inches 4 others would be 4
1/4 inches then 4 others would be 4 1/2 inches and the instructions
did not specify sizes, it came shrink wrapped on a piece of cardboard
that was lettered. When you took the shrink wrap off all the bolts
just got mixed up. That was a pain in the ass!!

--

____/~~~sine qua non~~~\____

[dsi1]

Some people enjoy putting stuff together. It's like doing a jigsaw puzzle except you get something useful when you're finished.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Friday, June 14, 2019 at 9:34:37 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> I went out yesterday and bought a
> nice Weber propane grill.
>
> Several people seemed surprised that I was going to assemble it myself
> rather than have the store do it. When I got home, unloaded the box and
> started unpacking it I began to think that would have been a good idea.
> Holy cow there were a lot of parts, and they were packed for saving
> space, not in any sort of order of assembly.
>
> It took more than two hours.
>

> When it was all done I sparked her up for the smoke test. There was a
> nice, even blue flame all the way along all three burners. I am looking
> forward to cooking on this baby.
>

Let us know what you cook and how well your new toy performs.

I bought a Weber charcoal kettle grill about two years ago and it has a drop
down side table, wheels, lid holder, etc. Yep, about two hours to get every-
thing together and tightened, but it's a nice grill that should last me for
many, many years.

[Dave Smith]

On 2019-06-14 3:14 p.m., graham wrote:
> On 2019-06-14 1:06 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2019-06-14 2:00 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> O

>> When my brother moved into a house down the road he brought his old NG
>> BBQ and had a guy come to install the line to the patio.  It was going
>> to cost a bundle to bring a line all the way from the main pipe to the
>> furnace. My brother suggested he could just tap into the line to the
>> gas fireplace on the wall  just inside from the patio. The install
>> said it would not work because the line was not big enough to feed the
>> furnace and the BBQ. Brother pointed out that he uses the fireplace in
>> the winter and the BBQ in the summer and was pretty sure that he would
>> not be using both at the same time.
>>
>>
> A former neighbour of mine used his year-round, even when the
> temperature was below -20C.

That's hard core. I lay off BBQing when it drops below 0 and it is too
dark to see,

[Dave Smith]

On 2019-06-14 3:48 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
> On Friday, June 14, 2019 at 9:39:07 AM UTC-10, Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl

>> --
>>
>> ____/~~~sine qua non~~~\____
>
> Some people enjoy putting stuff together. It's like doing a jigsaw puzzle except you get something useful when you're finished.
>

I have lots of things together. I worked in the toy and sports
department of a department store for a couple years and I ended up with
the job of assembling bicycles and 1960s style BBQs, which were
infinitely easier than this Weber. I have no problems with stuff from
Ikea. I have to say that this Weber had way more parts than anything I
ever assembled myself before. I also have to commend Weber for the
workmanship on the kit. The instructions were a bit of a challenge,
having no names on the parts, and no written instruction, just numbered
diagrams. Every part fit exactly as they were supposed to. Many of the
components had nuts affixed to the holes, reducing the need to extra
nuts and washers, and every one of them lined up perfectly.

[jmcquown]

On 6/14/2019 11:56 AM, penm...@aol.com wrote:

You're assuming everyone has a place to put a big propane tank and uses
it to also heat the house.

Jill

[Thomas]

I bought an item assembled. It was a 25 fee. I did not ask for assembled. I said "take it apart". Got my 25 back.

[Dave Smith]

On 2019-06-14 5:08 p.m., itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
> On Friday, June 14, 2019 at 9:34:37 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>>

>> When it was all done I sparked her up for the smoke test. There was a
>> nice, even blue flame all the way along all three burners. I am looking
>> forward to cooking on this baby.
>>
> Let us know what you cook and how well your new toy performs.

Will do. It looks like that will be tomorrow. Tonight is the Lions Club
fish fry, and my wife is heading out the door right now to go into town
to pick up fish and chips. She bought a couple nice looking salmon
fillets that we will have tomorrow.

I hope I am hungry enough. Tomorrow is the annual Ride for Dads to raise
money for prostate cancer research and awareness. A few friends and I
are riding in that. I thought I had done well raising $400 but my buddy
Pierre has raised over $6000. He has been doing it for years.

>
> I bought a Weber charcoal kettle grill about two years ago and it has a drop
> down side table, wheels, lid holder, etc. Yep, about two hours to get every-
> thing together and tightened, but it's a nice grill that should last me for
> many, many years.

I hope that yours, as many parts as there may have been, was as easily
assembled as mine was. One problem I am glad I did not have to deal
with was parts that the instructions and diagrams said fit together but
didn't. There were a number of pieces with two, three or four spots for
small bolts to be screwed in, and every single one of them lined up
perfectly.

[dsi1]

I like to put stuff together without reading the instructions. Well, that's how it starts out anyway. :)

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Friday, June 14, 2019 at 4:36:25 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> On 2019-06-14 5:08 p.m., itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
> >
> > Let us know what you cook and how well your new toy performs.
>
> Will do. It looks like that will be tomorrow. Tonight is the Lions Club
> fish fry, and my wife is heading out the door right now to go into town
> to pick up fish and chips. She bought a couple nice looking salmon
> fillets that we will have tomorrow.
>
>

Yum for the fish fry and yum for the salmon filets.

>
> I hope I am hungry enough. Tomorrow is the annual Ride for Dads to raise
> money for prostate cancer research and awareness. A few friends and I
> are riding in that. I thought I had done well raising $400 but my buddy
> Pierre has raised over $6000. He has been doing it for years.
> >

$6,000??? Did he rob a bank? Maybe he got some businesses to sponsor him?

[Dave Smith]

On 2019-06-14 5:24 p.m., Thomas wrote:
> I bought an item assembled. It was a 25 fee. I did not ask for assembled. I said "take it apart". Got my 25 back.
>

I lucked out on my previous BBQ purchase. It was on sale and the floor
model was the last one. Even better, they were about to make a delivery
somewhere near me so they threw it on the truck and it was delivered
about 10 minutes after I got home, and at no extra charge.

[penm...@aol.com]

Weber sells a kit for converting to either natural gas or propane...
you get a whole new burner for like $50. I ordered one to convert my
last Weber from natural gas to propane, the propane company I use
installed the new burner and I still have the old burner stashed in
the basement if on th epossibility I may want to convert back to
natural gas. But I no longer have that grill, after 30 years the
stand rusted away.,,, Weber makes stainless steel grills wth SS
cabinets but their stands are still cheapo steel. And their grills
still have cheapo wheels ao are difficult to move sabout. Weber
engineers are feckless That they sell grills that need to be put
together by the consumer says a lot about how crappy/uneducated
their engineers are., There's no reason why a consumer should need
to assemble a grill

[graham]

A former client of mine has ridden in 10 cancer rides and raised ~$207k.

[Dave Smith]

I can usually put things together without the instructions. This BBQ
definitely needed instruction. It came in a huge cardboard box, and it
was jammed packed, packaged to save space, not to facilitate assembly.
The instructions were similar to those for Ikea products, entirely visual.


https://s3.amazonaws.com/cms-remote-downloadable-assets/Service/manuals/en/59674_EN_ZA_111517.pdf?mtime=20180830112038

[Dave Smith]

Good for him. It is hard to raise money for charities, even the ones
that are worthy of support. It is interesting to see how generous some
people are. I was optimistic about friends and family donating
$20-$30, but a couple went for $100.

[jay]

On 6/14/19 3:38 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> I like to put stuff together without reading the instructions. Well, that's how it starts out anyway.:)

Yes! When all else fails ... then RTFM.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Friday, June 14, 2019 at 4:59:12 PM UTC-5, graham wrote:
>
> A former client of mine has ridden in 10 cancer rides and raised ~$207k.
>

Yow!! That's GREAT!!

[U.S. Janet B.]

the price would go up considerably if the grills were shipped fully
assembled. Did you ever get your new Weber put together?

[penm...@aol.com]

At the same time I had my Weber converted from natural gas to propane
I had my GE kitchen stove converted from natural gas to propane.
The GE kitchen stove came with the converion kit in a brown envelope
taped to the rear of the stove, the propane company I use did the
conversion sixteen years ago, charged nothing Everything has been
working perfectly all this time. In fact the propane company checks
every year that everything is working properly and that there are no
leaks. I save about 25% on my heating bill by using propane instead
of oil.

[Bruce]

Do you use that money to heat your basement?

[graham]

Prostate cancer never raises as much as breast cancer, even though death
rates are not that different.

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 6/14/2019 5:50 PM, penm...@aol.com wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 13:46:51 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.xxx> wrote:
>
>> On 6/14/2019 11:56 AM, penm...@aol.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Weber gas grills will operate on both natural gas or propane, there's
>>> a kit to make the conversion.
>>>
>>
>> No, there is not.
>>
>> From the Weber web site:
>> Due to safety considerations, the complexity of the components involved,
>> as well as the level of disassembly required, we don’t allow conversions
>> or provide conversion kits. Converting a Weber grill will actually void
>> the warranty on the unit and might create an unsafe situation.
>>
>> We do sell most of our gas grill models in both a propane version and a
>> natural gas version, so if you're planning on purchasing a new grill,
>> please make sure that you're selecting the appropriate model for the
>> fuel type you plan on using.
>>
>> We are very sorry for any disappointment this may cause, but the safety
>> of our fans always comes first. You can read more about this in our blog
>> on the subject here.
>
> Weber sells a kit for converting to either natural gas or propane...
> you get a whole new burner for like $50. I ordered one to convert my
> last Weber from natural gas to propane, the propane company I use
> installed the new burner and I still have the old burner stashed in
> the basement

Maybe they did in the past, but they do not now.

People have asked, nothing available.

[John Kuthe]

On Friday, June 14, 2019 at 7:00:11 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
...

>
> At the same time I had my Weber converted from natural gas to propane
> I had my GE kitchen stove converted from natural gas to propane.
> The GE kitchen stove came with the converion kit in a brown envelope
> taped to the rear of the stove, the propane company I use did the
> conversion sixteen years ago, charged nothing Everything has been
> working perfectly all this time. In fact the propane company checks
> every year that everything is working properly and that there are no
> leaks. I save about 25% on my heating bill by using propane instead
> of oil.

If you are BBQing on anything except charcoal, soaked wood chips and FIRE they taste like PETROLEUM CRAP! :-(

I just polished off the last of my Weber Kettleized Porcine Intercostals! Damn I'm good at this! :-)

John Kuthe...

[Dave Smith]

On 2019-06-14 5:41 p.m., itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
>
>> I hope I am hungry enough. Tomorrow is the annual Ride for Dads to raise
>> money for prostate cancer research and awareness. A few friends and I
>> are riding in that. I thought I had done well raising $400 but my buddy
>> Pierre has raised over $6000. He has been doing it for years.
>>>
> $6,000??? Did he rob a bank? Maybe he got some businesses to sponsor him?
>

LOL. No, he did not rob a bank. He has been involved with this for a
number of years. He has a lot of contacts and uses the Ride for Dad's
web site which allows people to pay by credit card. I had one set up
for myself, though I started late. I was hoping people would donate $20
or more, but a couple of them gave $100. He has some very generous
friends. The top donor was $300 and he has a number that gave $200-250.

[Dave Smith]

One of the reasons my friend and I do this ride is that our fathers died
of prostate cancer. He has had some prostate issues himself. When he
was still flying he was taken off a plan by ambulance and hospitalized
far from home for more than a week. He also had an issue recently and
had to have a procedure for an enlarged prostate... not cancer..

[graham]

My cancerous prostate was removed nearly 22 years ago. At least I don't
have to put up with the dreaded DRE during my annual physical:-)

[Hank Rogers]

Nope, he uses that savings toward the crystal palace bill.

[Alex]

There's no need to soak wood chips or chunks. It does nothing good for
smoking. Are you using real lump charcoal or briquettes?

[jay]

On 6/14/19 1:33 PM, jmcquown wrote:

> On 6/14/2019 2:36 PM, jay wrote:
>> On 6/14/19 11:46 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> On 6/14/2019 11:56 AM, penm...@aol.com wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Weber gas grills will operate on both natural gas or propane, there's
>>>> a kit to make the conversion.
>>>>
>>>
>>> No, there is not.
>>>
>>>  From the Weber web site:
>>> Due to safety considerations, the complexity of the components
>>> involved, as well as the level of disassembly required, we don’t
>>> allow conversions or provide conversion kits. Converting a Weber
>>> grill will actually void the warranty on the unit and might create an
>>> unsafe situation.
>>>
>>> We do sell most of our gas grill models in both a propane version and
>>> a natural gas version, so if you're planning on purchasing a new
>>> grill, please make sure that you're selecting the appropriate model
>>> for the fuel type you plan on using.
>>>
>>> We are very sorry for any disappointment this may cause, but the
>>> safety of our fans always comes first. You can read more about this
>>> in our blog on the subject here.
>>
>> Pretty sure they used to.  It is a very easy conversion.  Lawyers
>> probably made 'em quit.
>

> Probably for good reason.  Some folks simply aren't good DYI'ers.  They
> take shortcuts or don't read the directions.  Or a bunch of
> good-old-boys were drinking beer and someone said "Hey! Let's install
> this conversion kit!
>
> Ever heard of deep fried turkey?  I used to see turkey fryers on sale at
> the local hardware store.  Taste of deep fried turkey aside... lawyers
> got involved because idiots managed to set themselves on fire or burn
> down their homes.  The companies have to protect themselves from morons.
>
> Jill

Absolutely.. almost as many people fried as turkeys. :(

[jay]

On 6/14/19 6:00 PM, penm...@aol.com wrote:

>> Pretty sure they used to. It is a very easy conversion. Lawyers
>> probably made 'em quit.
> At the same time I had my Weber converted from natural gas to propane
> I had my GE kitchen stove converted from natural gas to propane.
> The GE kitchen stove came with the converion kit in a brown envelope
> taped to the rear of the stove, the propane company I use did the
> conversion sixteen years ago, charged nothing Everything has been
> working perfectly all this time. In fact the propane company checks
> every year that everything is working properly and that there are no
> leaks. I save about 25% on my heating bill by using propane instead
> of oil.

Never was an oil fuel customer but it sounds pricey. I've converted
many appliances back in forth. Just did an LG dryer. The propane
conversion was only an orifice.. no regulator involved. Ten minute job.
If I needed to convert the Weber, I would look at after market if Weber
didn't have a conversion to offer.

I have propane in a kitchen and the one serious drawback is that it
produces a sticky residue that drops on the cabinets and countertop and
elsewhere.. and I have a decent vent hood. Our heat and cooking and
water heater is propane. 1000 gal tank and as you said the propane
company comes and keeps it full. Don't even know it isn't piped in.

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 6/14/2019 11:38 PM, jay wrote:

>
> I have propane in a kitchen and the one serious drawback is that it
> produces a sticky residue that drops on the cabinets and countertop and
> elsewhere.. and I have a decent vent hood.  Our heat and cooking and
> water heater is propane.  1000 gal tank and as you said the propane
> company comes and keeps it full.  Don't even know it isn't piped in.
>

We cooked with propane for 36 years on two different stoves and never
had that problem. Maybe you don't have the right regulator or orifices.
Crappy vent too.

[dsi1]

When I was a kid, I remember watching the repair guy work on our gas clothes dryer. He replaced the broken drive belt and discovered that the dryer was set up for propane instead of natural gas i.e., the gas flow was running restricted. He replaced the jet with a bigger one and when he turned that sucker on, if sounded like there was a blow torch in there. Of course the clothes dried a lot faster.

It's probably a good idea to make sure your gas appliance is set up properly.

[jay]

This is good news.

We've had this for kitchen 5 years and assumed it was the nature of LP
so not given it much more thought.

The burners produce a nice clean looking blue flame and no soot on the
cookware. The vent is larger than the stove and appears to pull. If
it's the vent the problem is fixable as we can't change the fuel source.

Another person mentioned that make up air may be inadequate. Going to
get the appliance folks over to check it out. Appreciate the input.

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 6/15/2019 8:26 AM, jay wrote:
> On 6/14/19 10:31 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 6/14/2019 11:38 PM, jay wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I have propane in a kitchen and the one serious drawback is that it
>>> produces a sticky residue that drops on the cabinets and countertop
>>> and elsewhere.. and I have a decent vent hood.  Our heat and cooking
>>> and water heater is propane.  1000 gal tank and as you said the
>>> propane company comes and keeps it full.  Don't even know it isn't
>>> piped in.
>>>
>>
>> We cooked with propane for 36 years on two different stoves and never
>> had that problem.  Maybe you don't have the right regulator or
>> orifices.   Crappy vent too.
>
> This is good news.
>
> We've had this for kitchen 5 years and assumed it was the nature of LP
> so not given it much more thought.
>
> The burners produce a nice clean looking blue flame and no soot on the
> cookware.  The vent is larger than the stove and appears to pull.  If
> it's the vent the problem is fixable as we can't change the fuel source.

I should have been more specific. Our vent was crappy, not yours. For
most quick things like frying an egg or heating water for tea, I never
turned the vent on.

[jmcquown]

He completely ignored what you copy/pasted from Weber's own website.

Jill

[penm...@aol.com]

On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 17:22:43 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>

wrote:

>On 6/14/2019 11:56 AM, penm...@aol.com wrote:

>> On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 11:29:20 -0400, Dave Smith
>> <adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2019-06-14 10:58 a.m., jay wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sounds like a nice grill.  I would much prefer to assemble my own things
>>>> than have the store do it.  You will at least know you used all the
>>>> parts and torqued everything adequately. I use a gas grill a lot.
>>>
>>> I am too damned impulsive. I should have planned ahead and had a gas
>>> line installed and got the NG model.
>>
>> You can still hook it up to gas, a bulk propane tank, a fifty gallon
>> tank is small and will last all season, maybe two seasons, Ours is
>> connected to a 500 gallon tank that we use for heating and regular
>> cooking, but we have a 50 gallon tank that heats my small work shop.
>> The propane company comes to fill up the tanks and the propane costs
>> less than bringing your small tank to be filled.

>> Weber gas grills will operate on both natural gas or propane, there's
>> a kit to make the conversion.
>>

>You're assuming everyone has a place to put a big propane tank and uses
>it to also heat the house.
>
>Jill

I'm assuming nothing, every size house lot has room, a 50 gallon tank
is small, no larger than a computer chair or a trash can and can be
hidden by a small shrub... can also be placed in the ground with only
the fill exposed. A 50 gallon propane tank is the perect size for a
gas grill plud a kitchen stove.

[Cindy Hamilton]

Of course. If it doesn't reinforce his beliefs, he ignores it.

Cindy Hamilton

[penm...@aol.com]

On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 17:42:53 -0600, U.S. Janet B. <J...@nospam.com>

Actually not, all other household appliances are sold fully assembled,
even kitchen stoves. Weber wastes a lot of money on packaging
materials for their unassembled products... just that Weber has the
typidcal MEs friggen' morons.

>Did you ever get your new Weber put together?

Yes, but it was a PIA as it required a large level spot to get it done
right. Thing is I haven't used it yet... was a mistake buying so
large a unit for just two people. And we don't like to eat outdoors
where it can be hot and buggy.

[Gary]

penm...@aol.com wrote:
>
> I'm assuming nothing, every size house lot has room, a 50 gallon tank
> is small, no larger than a computer chair or a trash can and can be
> hidden by a small shrub... can also be placed in the ground with only
> the fill exposed. A 50 gallon propane tank is the perect size for a
> gas grill plud a kitchen stove.

My very first gas stove had a tank outside the kitchen. I don't
know what kind of gas it had, maybe propane if that's standard
after natural gas from city lines. It looked like a 4' tall
scuba tank. Lasted over a year for me, stove only. I didn't cook
that often though back then. I lived there for about 5 years and
only had to replace it once.

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Saturday, June 15, 2019 at 10:31:36 AM UTC-4, Sheldon wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 17:42:53 -0600, U.S. Janet B. <J...@nospam.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 17:50:43 -0400, penm...@aol.com wrote:
> >>There's no reason why a consumer should need
> >>to assemble a grill
> >
> >the price would go up considerably if the grills were shipped fully
> >assembled.
>
> Actually not, all other household appliances are sold fully assembled,
> even kitchen stoves. Weber wastes a lot of money on packaging
> materials for their unassembled products... just that Weber has the
> typidcal MEs friggen' morons.

No matter how much Weber spends on packaging materials, they wouldn't
do it if it wasn't profitable for them.

Cindy Hamilton

[penm...@aol.com]

They likely stopped selling the kits due to liability, idiots doing
the conversion wrong and starting a fire. or? I had the propane
company I use make the conversion at the time they ran the line out to
my deck area, 17 years ago, took the guy 10 minutes, no charge... only
need to change the burner tubes and the regulator. which at that time
I ordered from Weber... I still have the kit for natural gas only I no
longer have that grill. However now Amazon sells the kits:
https://www.amazon.com/s?k=weber+gas+grill+parts+replacement&hvadid=77653062872438&hvbmt=bb&hvdev=c&hvqmt=b&tag=mh0b-20&ref=pd_sl_450yr0d93y_b

[jmcquown]

UH... you were talking about a *500* gallon tank, not a 50 gallon tank.

Jill

[penm...@aol.com]

On Sat, 15 Jun 2019 10:03:04 +1000, Bruce <br...@invalid.invalid>

Actually yes, the boiler is in the basement.

[jmcquown]

Hint: Just because you cook the food outdoors doesn't mean you have to
*eat* outdoors. :)

Jill

[penm...@aol.com]

Probably poor exhausting and cooking a lot of fatty foods. There's
nothing sticky or sooty with propane.

[Gary]

penm...@aol.com wrote:

>
> U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> >Did you ever get your new Weber put together?
>
> Yes, but it was a PIA as it required a large level spot to get it done
> right. Thing is I haven't used it yet... was a mistake buying so
> large a unit for just two people. And we don't like to eat outdoors
> where it can be hot and buggy.

Sounds like you could have just bought a cheap charcoal Weber
grill. You don't grill often and it's only for 2 people. That's
all I needed for family of 4, then later family of 2.

As far as eating outdoors? Lame, imo. Either the damn bugs or
it's too cold out.

Sitting down at a table to eat is only when company comes for me.
With one or 2 others that live together, heck, you've been
talking all day anyway. No need for MORE conversation.

I like to multi-task. I always eat with a good book or a good tv
show/movie.

[Gary]

Ed just doesn't know. He overpays cleaning ladies that probably
wipe down his cabinets occasionally. Any well used kitchen will
get grease on cabinets, etc over time. Doesn't matter whether you
use electric or any kind of gas. Even the best hood/exhaust isn't
perfect. It happens if you actually use your stove all the time
and not just have a "show kitchen."

[notbob]

On 6/14/2019 10:31 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> We cooked with propane for 36 years on two different stoves and never
> had that problem.

I have.

Recently discovered that Meguiar's Hot Rims Wheel & Tire Cleaner cuts
that old grease. 409 don't get it!

> Maybe you don't have the right regulator or orifices.

USA made Peerless propane 4-burner stove.

>  Crappy vent too.

Possibly .....but I do have one. ;)

nb

[Hank Rogers]

He has a show kitchen in his goat barn?

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Saturday, June 15, 2019 at 11:41:21 AM UTC-5, notbob wrote:
>
> On 6/14/2019 10:31 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> > We cooked with propane for 36 years on two different stoves and never
> > had that problem.
>
> I have.
>
> Recently discovered that Meguiar's Hot Rims Wheel & Tire Cleaner cuts
> that old grease. 409 don't get it!
>

> nb
>
Non-sudsy ammonia diluted to about half and half is a wonderful grease cutter,
too. Diluted with half water as we all know how strong the smell of ammonia
is. How well it would cut a thick layer of grease? I don't know but it
does a great job on regular accumulated kitchen grease.

[Ed Pawlowski]

I paid to have my Napoleon from Amazon assembled. Someone came to the
house and did it. Still saved a few hundred over buying it elsewhere.
I don't know how the price would be affected if it was assembled on the
line at the factory. You'd have to pay for that labor plus some
additional shipping as it would take more space on the truck. Payload
would go down about 25%.

[Ed Pawlowski]

On the first propane stove a burner was not adjusted properly. When
used on high, it left a black sooty residue on the bottom of the pot.
Once adjusted, no problem.

Did not have a cleaning lady at the time, just an overworked housewife.

Present cleaning lady does the cabinets every two weeks.

[Dave Smith]

I imagine it is definitely cheaper to send them in boxes. They are
easier to ship, take less space in the warehouse. You can't stack
assembled BBQs. There is less chance of being damaged in transit.

It would be nice if they shipped a few extra nuts and buts in case one
gets misplaced, or if one was used in a place where another was
supposed to go but another fit. Of course, that presents the
possibility of someone successfully assembling the product and wondering
why there are parts leftover.

FWIW... Ikea stores have a spare parts section. Their kits come with
the exact number of parts required to assemble the item. They tend to
use similar types of fasteners and some may break or get lost during
assembly. You can go back to the store and get more for free. Of
course, that means setting foot in the store and being subject to the
enticement of picking up more irresistible items. By the time you are
done you are hungry and need to go to the restaurant for some
inexpensive but delicious food.

[Dave Smith]

We like to cook on the gas grill. If the weather if nice we eat on the
patio. If not, we bring the food in to eat.

[Dave Smith]

On 2019-06-15 3:59 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> I paid to have my Napoleon from Amazon assembled. Someone came to the
> house and did it.  Still saved a few hundred over buying it elsewhere. I
> don't know how the price would be affected if it was assembled on the
> line at the factory.  You'd have to pay for that labor plus some
> additional shipping as it would take more space on the truck.  Payload
> would go down about 25%.

Given your background, you probably would not have had much trouble
assembling it. I have to say that I was intimidated by the number of
parts I had to deal with. I have played this came with assembly kits
before. Instead of nuts and bolts, the nuts were already attached to the
pieces, so I only had to put the piece in place and screw the bolts in,
and every single one of them lined up perfectly. From my experience in
assembling kits, I have to say that is rare. It is the first thing I
have ever assembled where every piece fit exactly where it was supposed to.

[Hank Rogers]

Man you know Penfart will not accept this lame excuse without a
photograph.

[Hank Rogers]

Popeye does NOT recognize Ikea.

Only AMAZON is Popeye certified and approved.

[penm...@aol.com]

On Sat, 15 Jun 2019 10:59:09 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>

You are incapable of reading comprehension, I'm discussing cooking,
not heating. You are truly an ignoranuas. Is there a female word for
dumb schmuck... probably Dumb Cunt.

[jmcquown]

Oy vey! Senseless name calling. LOL You wrote "Ours is connected to a

500 gallon tank that we use for heating and regular cooking, but we have

a 50 gallon tank that heats my small work shop." Your Small Work Shop.

Do you *cook* in your small workshop? Personally, I'm not interested in
converting my electric stove to any sort of propane delivery system. It
would be a very costly conversion and why bother when what I have works
perfectly well? But the topic wasn't kitchens, it was grills... I like
cooking over lump. Propane may be convenient but IMHO cooking on a
propane grill doesn't impart the same delicious flavour as grilling over
lump charcoal. YMMV. Obviously.

Jill

[Hank Rogers]

jmcquown wrote:
> On 6/15/2019 9:19 PM, penm...@aol.com wrote:
>> On Sat, 15 Jun 2019 10:59:09 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/15/2019 10:06 AM, penm...@aol.com wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 17:22:43 -0400, jmcquown
>>>> <j_mc...@comcast.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 6/14/2019 11:56 AM, penm...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 11:29:20 -0400, Dave Smith
>>>>>> <adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2019-06-14 10:58 a.m., jay wrote:
>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Sounds like a nice grill.  I would much prefer to assemble
>>>>>>>> my own things
>>>>>>>> than have the store do it.  You will at least know you used

Maybe Popeye missed his metamucil dose today?

I hope he doesn't explode and splatter his workshop.

[Gary]

Hank Rogers wrote:
>
> He <ED> has a show kitchen in his goat barn?

It's a brand new goat barn, not even a year old.

For now, it's definitely a show kitchen no matter
how much he cooks. His cleaning lady cleans cabinets
every two weeks. She sounds like a keeper to me. :)

Everyone should clean their kitchen cabinets at least
once a month but many don't.

[jay]

On 6/15/19 7:53 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 6/15/2019 8:26 AM, jay wrote:

>> On 6/14/19 10:31 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> On 6/14/2019 11:38 PM, jay wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have propane in a kitchen and the one serious drawback is that it
>>>> produces a sticky residue that drops on the cabinets and countertop
>>>> and elsewhere.. and I have a decent vent hood.  Our heat and cooking
>>>> and water heater is propane.  1000 gal tank and as you said the
>>>> propane company comes and keeps it full.  Don't even know it isn't
>>>> piped in.
>>>>
>>>
>>> We cooked with propane for 36 years on two different stoves and never
>>> had that problem.  Maybe you don't have the right regulator or
>>> orifices.   Crappy vent too.
>>

>> This is good news.
>>
>> We've had this for kitchen 5 years and assumed it was the nature of LP
>> so not given it much more thought.
>>
>> The burners produce a nice clean looking blue flame and no soot on the
>> cookware.  The vent is larger than the stove and appears to pull.  If
>> it's the vent the problem is fixable as we can't change the fuel source.
>
> I should have been more specific.  Our vent was crappy, not yours.  For
> most quick things like frying an egg or heating water for tea, I never
> turned the vent on.

Our vent is certainly not top of the line. It's made by Broan and the
specs say 290 CFM. It is pretty. I am thinking too much oven cooking
happens with no vent in use. Some here don't like the noise. The oven
is electric. I turn on on the vent for all cooking but others here do
not. :(

[penm...@aol.com]

>>> gas grill plus a kitchen stove.

>>>
>>UH... you were talking about a *500* gallon tank, not a 50 gallon tank.
>>
>>Jill

You neglected to comprehend my first sentence;

"You can still hook it up to gas, a bulk propane tank, a fifty gallon
tank is small and will last all season, maybe two seasons,"

Every homeowner has plenty of room for a 50 gallon propane tank, 4'
tall x 3' wide:
https://postimg.cc/JDSqQyPX
The typical grill tank that most people need to have refilled or
exchanged is filled by weight (20 pounds). A 50 gallon tank is filled
by gallons, and its capacity is equal to more than twenty of those 20
pound grill tanks. Also for safety and proper operation all propane
tanks are filled to no more than 80% of their capacity. The 50 gallon
tank is supplied with a gauge so that one will know when to contact
their propane supplier for a refill. A 50 gallon propane tank is very
adequate for smaller restaurants... one or two will be adequate to
heat a small house (1,000 sqft).

[GM]

Unfortunately, Jill is unable to post without *both* hands on her keyboard...she is typing with *one* hand and the *other* is stuck way up her dried out twot...she is fiddling about seeking her dessicated 'ole clitoris...'tis a fruitless task, akin to seeking the Fountain of Youth...

And re: her hornswoggling mention of her first husband (she described him as a "loser"), the poor mope prolly took a gander at her un - bodacious self on their wedding night, and he immediately scrammed and went and turned all queer...

--
Best
Greg

[GM]

I meant to say:

"Unfortunately, Jill is unable to post with *both* hands on her keyboard..."

GM

[penm...@aol.com]

On 15 Jun 2019 jmcquown wrote:
>
>Personally, I'm not interested in converting my electric stove to any sort of propane delivery system.

>Jill

Since you have no interest in converting your electric stove to gas
(can't be done anyway) then WTF do you jump into all the cooking with
gas threads with your inane comments, most especially when you have
absolutely nothing intelligent to contribute. It's patently obvious
that you're a troll.

I see nothing superior about cooking with lump charcoal (or any
coals). Why wait about an hour before cooking cqan begin, plus
cooking with charcaol in all its forms imports a carcinogin to foods.
Charcoal smoke imparts zero flavoroids, not unless one enjoys chomping
on the remains ove an incinerated house fire. Propane adds zero
flavoroids to foods, however if I want to add flavorful smoke to food
with my gas grill it's very easy to place a pan of fruitwood chips; I
save the prunings of various apple, plum, crabapple, hickory. cherry,
etal. Of late I give them to a neighbor who maintains my tractors at
far lower cost than the local dealership and since he's a fusspot he
does a much better job and at much lower cost. actually less than half
the price, essentially I pay for materials and a few dollars for his
time, and I employ his son to do all sorts of jobs here like clearing
brush, string trimming, lugging top soil into the garden, felling and
cutting up dead trees, etc. We pay him what he asks, $15/hr + we give
him a nice tip for a job well done... William is a good worker, unlike
most teenagers he's no slacker. He can operate all farm equpment as
well as large earth moving machines. We think he's very talented,
unfortunately he's learning disabled in math and English, but my wife
and I have been tutoring him and we know he will pass the state
Regents to get his diploma... next week he will be graduating High
School. We have no doubt he will go far in life, he's very good at
handling live stock, from chickens to black angus, he even knows how
to help animals give birth (cows, sheep, horses), he's had lots of
practical experience, he would make a great Vet. William doesn't say
much but he's like an animal whisperer, he can calm a stressed mare
like no one else. The local Vets call on William often in the middle
of the night to assist with a difficult birth. They say William just
just has to be there.

[Hank Rogers]

I bet yoose have an uncle named Hank Hill in Arlen Texas.

[Hank Rogers]

Popeye, do yoose have William work on the old mexican woman?