Fuck this Pod Shit

[Sqwertz]

I'll limit my gripe to the dishwasher pod/tabs. But many of the
same arguments apply to laundry pods, too. So here goes:


Fuck Those Things and all the brain-dead, lazy-ass people!


That is all. I feel better already.

-sw

[Ed Pawlowski]

Never tried the laundry pods nor do I plan to. I can adjust detergent
as needed.

Cascade Platinum pods work great though. Dishes come out perfect every
time. If they had the same mix in a liquid or powder I'd use it but
they don't.

[graham]

Since you recommended that I try CP pods. I have been using them (or the
ALL equivalent if they are the ones on special) and I have found that
not only do the dishes etc come out spotless, glassware is no longer
etched as it was with the top-rated powders.
Thanks, Ed!

[Bruce]

This would be a great commercial with two elderly men discussing their
detergent. Thanks Cascade Platinum!

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Sunday, June 2, 2019 at 10:50:44 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> Never tried the laundry pods nor do I plan to. I can adjust detergent
> as needed.
>

I've used the laundry pods and they do very well, both Tide and All.

[Julie Bove]

"Sqwertz" <sqwe...@gmail.invalid> wrote in message
news:1aqli31am38g6$.dlg@sqwertz.com...

I have never used one.

[Julie Bove]

"Bruce" <br...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:4d89feh6moddnc2jn...@4ax.com...

Hehehe.

[jay]

ALL equivalent?? is it really. All equivalent labeling means exactly
nothing and you can bet they are not even close to equivalent. Only the
truly stupid buy ALL equivalent products.

BTW glassware that is actually etched doesn't unetch with the use of a
pod regardless of brand. DUH

[lucreti...@fl.it]

I use laundry pods too and noticed when I started using them, I use
far less detergent in the long run which is a good thing for the
environment. I use the Kirkland laundry and Cascade dishwasher ones.

I thought of Dave Smith today when I had to wash the filter in my
Dyson stick :) Only the second time in about a year, guess it doesn't
pay to have long haired dogs, better a short haired cat.

[graham]

I didn't say it does!!

[Ed Pawlowski]

From there we could branch out to other products like hair loss and ED.
Start of a new career.

[penm...@aol.com]

On Sun, 2 Jun 2019 21:34:28 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
<itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:

My wife is in charge of the dishwasher, has way too many settings for
me. Yesterday our dishwasher ran for the first time this year,
cleaned a major load of plastic food containers, that's about all we
use it for... for two people it's easier to wash by hand. We rarely
have company for dinner anymore, family and old friends have passed on
and with new friends we'd all rather eat out, which isn't often other
tham justs for drinks,

I don't know what detergent she puts in... just looked under the sink,
a jumbo container of Cascade Platinum Pods... with how rarely we run
the dishwasher it looks like enough pods for the next 20 years.
Now Dawn helps me do our dishes... gave up on Palmolive, it's too
harsh on hands. I usually wear rubber gloves but sometimes for a
couple of items I don't bother.

In fact I just bought some new dish towels for drying...these are the
very best I've ever used. generously sized, extremely absorbent, very
attractive, vibrant color, and no lint. Several colors available but
I ordered red. They're made in Portugal. I at first hesitated to
order them thinking they were pricey for dish schmatahs ($30/4) but
when they arrived I could see it was a great deal, not gonna find this
quality at the Dollar store... I'm tempted to order another set in a
different color. I like the sunny yellow too:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0776M4MH5/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_image_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Monday, June 3, 2019 at 9:01:39 AM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:>
>
> On Sun, 2 Jun 2019 21:34:28 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
> <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>
> >I've used the laundry pods and they do very well, both Tide and All.
>
> My wife is in charge of the dishwasher, has way too many settings for
> me. Yesterday our dishwasher ran for the first time this year,
> cleaned a major load of plastic food containers, that's about all we
> use it for... for two people it's easier to wash by hand.
>

The only dishwasher here is me; kitchen is too small for one as much as I'd
like have one at times.

>
> Now Dawn helps me do our dishes... gave up on Palmolive, it's too
> harsh on hands. I usually wear rubber gloves but sometimes for a
> couple of items I don't bother.
>

I use Dawn (original formula) or Palmolive and thankfully neither are harsh
on my hands. I remember when Sunlight (?) first came on the market years
ago which I don't know if it's still available or not. But no matter, it was
a lemon scented/formula and did great on dishes but was hell on my hands.
Extremely drying so I switched to Dawn, Ajax, or Palmolive; definitely don't
use any lemon added products.

>
> In fact I just bought some new dish towels for drying...these are the
> very best I've ever used. generously sized, extremely absorbent, very
> attractive, vibrant color, and no lint. Several colors available but
> I ordered red.
>

I rarely, rarely dry dishes with a towel; they go into the dish drainer and
air dry, then put away. But those are pretty dish towels and my kitchen is
decorated predominately in red.

Btw, the paragraphs are greatly appreciated!

[jmcquown]

On 6/3/2019 10:01 AM, penm...@aol.com wrote:
> On Sun, 2 Jun 2019 21:34:28 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
> <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, June 2, 2019 at 10:50:44 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>
>>> Never tried the laundry pods nor do I plan to. I can adjust detergent
>>> as needed.
>>>
>> I've used the laundry pods and they do very well, both Tide and All.
>
>

(snippage)

> I don't know what detergent she puts in... just looked under the sink,
> a jumbo container of Cascade Platinum Pods... with how rarely we run
> the dishwasher it looks like enough pods for the next 20 years.
> Now Dawn helps me do our dishes... gave up on Palmolive, it's too
> harsh on hands.

Wait... whatever happened to Madge the Manicurist?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7BvEldVEHU

"Softens your hands while you do the dishes. You're soaking in it."

> In fact I just bought some new dish towels for drying...these are the
> very best I've ever used. generously sized, extremely absorbent, very
> attractive, vibrant color, and no lint. Several colors available but
> I ordered red. They're made in Portugal. I at first hesitated to
> order them thinking they were pricey for dish schmatahs ($30/4) but
> when they arrived I could see it was a great deal, not gonna find this
> quality at the Dollar store... I'm tempted to order another set in a
> different color. I like the sunny yellow too:
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0776M4MH5/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_image_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
>

I'm sorry, I can't get very excited about dish towels. I don't really
care what colour they are as long as they are durable and absorbant. I
don't need to know where they picked the cotton. The dish towels I use
are tightly woven so they don't shed lint and are very absorbant. They
don't match anything and I don't care. :)

Jill

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 6/3/2019 10:01 AM, penm...@aol.com wrote:

> My wife is in charge of the dishwasher, has way too many settings for
> me. Yesterday our dishwasher ran for the first time this year,
> cleaned a major load of plastic food containers, that's about all we
> use it for... for two people it's easier to wash by hand. We rarely
> have company for dinner anymore, family and old friends have passed on
> and with new friends we'd all rather eat out, which isn't often other
> tham justs for drinks,
>
> I don't know what detergent she puts in... just looked under the sink,
> a jumbo container of Cascade Platinum Pods... with how rarely we run
> the dishwasher it looks like enough pods for the next 20 years.

Our machine runs pretty much every other day. We have enough dishes and
stuff to easily go a few days to fill the machine. Saves water, saves
time, perfectly clean dishes.

[jmcquown]

Ditto that Joan, unless for some reason you need to put the dishes away
immediately. I can't think of a reason why. LOL

My mother told me she used to pour almost boiling water from a tea
kettle over clean dishes the the dish rack to *dry* them. Didn't use a
dish towel.

> But those are pretty dish towels and my kitchen is
> decorated predominately in red.
>
> Btw, the paragraphs are greatly appreciated!
>

He either read your previous post or figured out where the Enter/Return
key is. Maybe you can teach an old dog new tricks. ;)

Jill

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Monday, June 3, 2019 at 9:51:02 AM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
>
> My mother told me she used to pour almost boiling water from a tea
> kettle over clean dishes the the dish rack to *dry* them. Didn't use a
> dish towel.
>

That would certainly speed the drying time!

[jmcquown]

A very old trick but it works. Of course I never have a tea kettle with
boiling water on the stove. I just let the dishes air dry in the dish
drainer/rack. No need to rush or use towels.

Jill

[penm...@aol.com]

On Mon, 3 Jun 2019 07:23:21 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"

<itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:

>On Monday, June 3, 2019 at 9:01:39 AM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:>
>>
>> On Sun, 2 Jun 2019 21:34:28 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
>> <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>>
>> >I've used the laundry pods and they do very well, both Tide and All.
>>
>> My wife is in charge of the dishwasher, has way too many settings for
>> me. Yesterday our dishwasher ran for the first time this year,
>> cleaned a major load of plastic food containers, that's about all we
>> use it for... for two people it's easier to wash by hand.
>>
>The only dishwasher here is me; kitchen is too small for one as much as I'd
>like have one at times.

I'll bet there'd some way to arrange things that you can install a
dishwasher but if there's only one or two people you really don't need
one. We feed cats so have more of their food and water bowls than our
dishes, plus we wouldn't place cat food bowls in the dish washer.
Actually people food dishes can become ripe when sitting in a
dishwasher all day. I don't like any dirty dishes in the sink either,
reminds me of an unflushed toilet. I do all the dish washing by hand
and right away. The dishwasher is only used for plastic food
containers and maybe some empty glass jars, hand washing plastic they
still feel oily. We also don't generate a lot of dishes as we use
paper plates whenever possible, we don't need to use dishes to eat a
sandwhich, and then the paper plate becomes a cat food bowl. We buy
plain paper plates in cartons of 1,000 from BJs for under $10, so they
cost less than 1¢ each, cheaper than washing dishes. And paper plates
are produced and packaged entirely by machine, never touched by human
hands so they are sterile. Dishes sitting in a kitchen cabinet are
far from sterile. We eat fried food from paper plates, they absorb a
lot of fat calories.

[Cindy Hamilton]

I've heard of that before. I wonder if that started when people washed
dishes mainly in cold water.

Cindy Hamilton

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Monday, June 3, 2019 at 12:19:11 PM UTC-4, Sheldon wrote:
> And paper plates
> are produced and packaged entirely by machine, never touched by human
> hands so they are sterile. Dishes sitting in a kitchen cabinet are
> far from sterile.

And yet millions of people fail to get sick from eating off of un-sterile
dishes from their cabinets. Perhaps sterile dishes aren't necessary.

Cindy Hamilton

[Ed Pawlowski]

Sure, the dishes are sanitized and go from machine to cabinet. They
don't get wiped with a dirty towel that has been used to wipe slop.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Monday, June 3, 2019 at 11:19:11 AM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>
> On Mon, 3 Jun 2019 07:23:21 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
> <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>
> >The only dishwasher here is me; kitchen is too small for one as much as I'd
> >like have one at times.
>
> I'll bet there'd some way to arrange things that you can install a
> dishwasher but if there's only one or two people you really don't need
> one.
>

You are correct, with just me here there's no need for a dishwasher. However,
this 9x11 BEFORE appliances and BEFORE upper and lower cabinets with THREE
doorways there is absolutely no way, ever, to have a dishwasher installed.
I remodeled the 1923 kitchen several years ago and could have opted at that
time for a dishwasher but in a kitchen this small storage space was a prime
issue.

>
> We feed cats so have more of their food and water bowls than our
> dishes, plus we wouldn't place cat food bowls in the dish washer.
>

Pema the cat only gets dry cat food which is in a drop feeder with about 6 or
7 varieties layered in the feeder. Once in a while she will get a tiny can
of wet food. Her water bowl is a cat water fountain.

>
> We also don't generate a lot of dishes as we use
> paper plates whenever possible, we don't need to use dishes to eat a

> sandwich.
>
I, too, am a fan of paper plates. Sandwiches, cheese and crackers, peanut
butter and crackers, piece of pie or cake; the list is long. Once used, they
go into the recycle bin.

[Bruce]

Are you questioning Popeye? Do you know how strong he is?

[lucreti...@fl.it]

Ditto - I'm not going to do a job a machine can do :)

[dsi1]

Were truer words ever spoken? I don't think so.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYFg28sgQU0

[penm...@aol.com]

An extra unnessesay step and can be dangerous pouring scalding water.
We don't have a dish rack, we rather have the counter space at the
sink and those dish racks always accumulate stagnant water underneath.
For one person living alone how many dishes can accumulate that they
can't be hand washed. and dried and immediately put away.

[Bruce]

On Mon, 03 Jun 2019 16:18:16 -0400, penm...@aol.com wrote:

>On Mon, 3 Jun 2019 07:58:14 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
><itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>
>>On Monday, June 3, 2019 at 9:51:02 AM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>> My mother told me she used to pour almost boiling water from a tea
>>> kettle over clean dishes the the dish rack to *dry* them. Didn't use a
>>> dish towel.
>>>
>>That would certainly speed the drying time!
>
>An extra unnessesay step and can be dangerous pouring scalding water.

Oh no, Popeye doesn't approve! Remember: Do as Popeye does or face the
consequences!

>We don't have a dish rack, we rather have the counter space at the
>sink and those dish racks always accumulate stagnant water underneath.
>For one person living alone how many dishes can accumulate that they
>can't be hand washed. and dried and immediately put away.

You tell 'em, Popeye!

[Bruce]

On Sun, 2 Jun 2019 22:37:17 -0500, Sqwertz <sqwe...@gmail.invalid>

wrote:

>I'll limit my gripe to the dishwasher pod/tabs. But many of the
>same arguments apply to laundry pods, too. So here goes:
>
>
>Fuck Those Things and all the brain-dead, lazy-ass people!
>
>
>That is all. I feel better already.

Popeye has a son?

[Thomas]

I have no dishwaher as that is me. When doing my Red Vanilla in the dishrack I do pour filtered water over them to eliminate the city water stains. Not hot, just right from my Aquarain filter. Towel drying only if I need it right now. Rarely.
Dishrags do make a statement, mine match and usually are linen.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Monday, June 3, 2019 at 3:18:21 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>
> On Mon, 3 Jun 2019 07:58:14 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
> <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>
> >On Monday, June 3, 2019 at 9:51:02 AM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
> >>
> >> My mother told me she used to pour almost boiling water from a tea
> >> kettle over clean dishes the the dish rack to *dry* them. Didn't use a
> >> dish towel.
> >>
> >That would certainly speed the drying time!
>
> An extra unnessesay step and can be dangerous pouring scalding water.
> We don't have a dish rack, we rather have the counter space at the
> sink and those dish racks always accumulate stagnant water underneath.
>

My dish drainer and accompanying tray do no accumulate water. It's sharply
tilted so the water runs right back into the sink.

>
> For one person living alone how many dishes can accumulate that they
> can't be hand washed. and dried and immediately put away.
>

I hand wash daily but they are left to be aired dried for hours, usually
overnight, then put away the next day.

[Sqwertz]

On Sun, 2 Jun 2019 23:50:42 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> On 6/2/2019 11:37 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
>> I'll limit my gripe to the dishwasher pod/tabs. But many of the
>> same arguments apply to laundry pods, too. So here goes:
>>
>> Fuck Those Things and all the brain-dead, lazy-ass people!
>>
>> That is all. I feel better already.
>>

>> -sw

>>
> Never tried the laundry pods nor do I plan to. I can adjust detergent
> as needed.
>

> Cascade Platinum pods work great though. Dishes come out perfect every
> time. If they had the same mix in a liquid or powder I'd use it but
> they don't.

I have the old dry detergent reservoirs and have no reason to
replace my dishwasher. All I can get now is the expensive Cascade
powdered which are being phased out. No more store brands. Gels
get washed out of the detergent drawer during the pre-wash cycle,
and the tabs don't fit into the normal cycle drawer without breaking
them up. And then I don't have anything to put in the pre-wash cycle
(I guess I could use gel for that).

With the Finish tabs I have to choose between 6 different products.
3 different tabs for the size of load I need wash and how clean I
want the dishes (duh, one of shich you CANOT use for short cycles).
Another product to clean the dishwasher (why doesn't the detergent
do this?), and another 2 products for how dry I want the dishes, Jet
Dry, or Turbo Jet Dry.

We used to just be able to pour in as much or as little detergent we
needed. Now it's One Size Fits All, but you have to buy 5 different
sizes to fit 5 different scenarios. Fuck all that.

-sw

[jay]

Name is Bruce

[Sqwertz]

On Mon, 3 Jun 2019 07:23:21 -0700 (PDT), itsjoan...@webtv.net

wrote:

> Btw, the paragraphs are greatly appreciated!

See what I man about The Lobotomy Theory?

-sw

[Sqwertz]

On Mon, 03 Jun 2019 16:18:16 -0400, penm...@aol.com wrote:

> We don't have a dish rack, we rather have the counter space at the
> sink and those dish racks always accumulate stagnant water underneath.

I switched to a drying mat. They dry quickly on the honeycomb side
and don't accumulate water puddles.

-sw

[Sqwertz]

On Mon, 03 Jun 2019 12:19:05 -0400, penm...@aol.com wrote:

> The dishwasher is only used for plastic food
> containers and maybe some empty glass jars, hand washing plastic they
> still feel oily.

You have to use a real sponge (not foam or synthetic). Nothing else
gets the oily film off of a lot of types of plastics.

It's still very water and labor intensive since they after have a
bunch of nooks and crannies you have to maneuver around. I've
switched to doing them in the dishwasher in recent months because of
the pain and numbness in my hands. I just make sure I get them out
before the drying cycles and bang the water off and out of the
nooks and crannies, then onto the drying mat. Heat drying plastic
usually leaves spots.

-sw

[U.S. Janet B.]

On Mon, 3 Jun 2019 16:48:17 -0500, Sqwertz <sqwe...@gmail.invalid>
wrote:

I put all my plastic on the top shelf of the dishwasher, tilted so the
water runs away. I leave them in for the full drying cycle. The
plastic I wash is those refrigerator storage containers.
Janet US

[GM]

And *then* to add to Steve's konfusion, he also has a "douche" setting on his dishwasher...!!!

--
Best
Greg

[Sqwertz]

Sheldon has a misunderstanding of the word "sterile". Just like he
does of "organic". He thinks organic means sterile, too. He thinks
organics can only come out of sterile lab.

-ww

[Sqwertz]

But those containers have a lip that you can't tilt otherwise they
fill with water on the inside. And they're so light that they often
shift around o the top shelf just from the water. So I put them
upside down and with a perforated pizza pan on top, then bang them
out as I mentioned. It's just waht I do and it works for me. Maybe
your dishwasher and plastic containers are different.

-sw

[Sqwertz]

On Mon, 3 Jun 2019 10:39:11 -0400, jmcquown wrote:

> Wait... whatever happened to Madge the Manicurist?
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7BvEldVEHU

She was put out of business by all the Southeast Asian ladies.

-sw

[Hank Rogers]

Thomas wrote:
> I have no dishwaher as that is me. When doing my Red Vanilla in the dishrack I do pour filtered water over them to eliminate the city water stains. Not hot, just right from my Aquarain filter. Towel drying only if I need it right now. Rarely.
> Dishrags do make a statement, mine match and usually are linen.
>

That fancy schmancy Aquarain filter is NO good!

What yoose needs is an RO water filter, down in yoose basement.

[Hank Rogers]

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 6/3/2019 10:01 AM, penm...@aol.com wrote:
>
>> My wife is in charge of the dishwasher, has way too many settings for
>> me.  Yesterday our dishwasher ran for the first time this year,
>> cleaned a major load of plastic food containers, that's about all we
>> use it for... for two people it's easier to wash by hand.  We rarely
>> have company for dinner anymore, family and old friends have
>> passed on
>> and with new friends we'd all rather eat out, which isn't often other
>> tham justs for drinks,
>>
>> I don't know what detergent she puts in... just looked under the
>> sink,
>> a jumbo container of Cascade Platinum Pods... with how rarely we run
>> the dishwasher it looks like enough pods for the next 20 years.
>
> Our machine runs pretty much every other day.  We have enough dishes
> and stuff to easily go a few days to fill the machine. Saves water,
> saves time, perfectly clean dishes.

But yoose are always eating off dishes that are not sterile!

I guess it doesn't really matter. Do all the others who live in goat
barns do the same thing?

[penm...@aol.com]

On Mon, 3 Jun 2019 09:51:03 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton

Then why bother with dishwashers...

[Ed Pawlowski]

Try just tossing the pod in the bottom of the DW. They are designed to
dissolve at different rates. My last two DW only had one compartment
for detergent but I think some older ones had two. If that is so, it may
be too small for a pod/

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

As mentioned upthread I don't have a dishwasher other than me but I have the
same problem with the plasticware I have. It gets washed and after rinsing
I have to tap it several times to get rid of the water that accumulates
under the rims of bowls and lids.

[Ed Pawlowski]

Sometimes we just let the goats lick them clean. Close enough.

[Ed Pawlowski]

So you don't have to play at the sink. Saves time, saves water.

[U.S. Janet B.]

the dishwasher appliance never claimed to produce sterile dishes.

[U.S. Janet B.]

On Mon, 3 Jun 2019 17:43:07 -0500, Sqwertz <sqwe...@gmail.invalid>

I don't have the problem you describe

[Hank Rogers]

No problem for him. A few splashes of crystal palace should
sterilize the dishes just fine.

[Sqwertz]

Then it would all get used up during the pre-wash cycle and drained
out before the actual wash cycle even begins.

Cycles:

Pre-wash
Drain
Regular Wash
Drain
Rinse + Drain.

The powder detergent cup doesn't open until part of the way through
the wash cycle.

-sw

[Dave Smith]

Many of them have a sanitize setting that users mistake for sterilize.

[Ed Pawlowski]

Read the second sentence again. They are designed to dissolve at
different rates. Usually the pre-wash is a quick cycle so it may leave
the rest behind. Of course, you won't know if you never try it.
https://www.quora.com/Can-you-put-the-dishwasher-detergent-pack-on-the-bottom-of-the-dishwasher-instead-of-the-detergent-compartment

If it does not work, send me a self addressed stamped envelope and I'll
reimburse you the 27 cents it cost to try it.

[U.S. Janet B.]

that's true

[penm...@aol.com]

Saves me no time... two plates + utensiles take no more than ten
minutes to hand wash, hand dry, and put away. A dishwasher needs to
be loaded, unloaded, and runs for at least an hour... saves nothing...
and wastes electric. We don't use nearly enough dishes in a week to
fill a dishwasher.

I can understand using a dishwasher for a large family and if one
entertains 6-8 people, but for one or two people with no kids at
home... unless severely handicapped or undisaplined slobs who can't
prepare food without filthying every dish and utensile they own to
have a bowl of oatmeal a dishwasher is a nuisance. However I've known
people who are so disorganized/incompetent feeding themselves it's a
miracle they can get through each day without having their mommy pick
up after them.

True story, there were grown men in boot camp who for the first time
in their lives bathed without their mommy washing them... I swear some
18 year olds needed their mommy to wipe their ass. There were several
grown men who couldn't cut up their own food... perhaps they were
lucky that their mommy breast fed them past their 18th birthday. And
several failed bootcamp because they were too infantile. They were
unable to make their bed, fold their clothes, for some it was their
first toothbrush. For many hillybillys it was their first pair of
shoes. That all said I believe that there's something seriously wrong
with anyone who can't live without a dishwasher.... they've probably
never washed their car, never cleaned the tub/shower, never cleaned a
toilet, likely never flushed a toilet. I really don't care about seat
up or down but yoose gotta flush. Anyone who leaves their dirty
dishes in the kitchen sink, even if one teaspoon, doesn't flush.

[Leonard Blaisdell]

In article <ld3afehvnm8em62au...@4ax.com>,
<penm...@aol.com> wrote:

> In fact I just bought some new dish towels for drying...these are the
> very best I've ever used. generously sized, extremely absorbent, very
> attractive, vibrant color, and no lint. Several colors available but
> I ordered red. They're made in Portugal. I at first hesitated to
> order them thinking they were pricey for dish schmatahs ($30/4) but
> when they arrived I could see it was a great deal, not gonna find this
> quality at the Dollar store... I'm tempted to order another set in a
> different color. I like the sunny yellow too:
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0776M4MH5/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_image_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

What! dish towels should cost as much as a pair of white socks and be
made of white flour sack cloth. Doesn't everybody know that?

leo

[Ophelia]

"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message news:BgiJE.2594$_Z3....@fx31.iad...

==

LOL

[Ophelia]

wrote in message news:j9ebfeps8pk3cftpt...@4ax.com...

On Mon, 3 Jun 2019 19:44:37 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.xxx> wrote:

>On 6/3/2019 7:01 PM, penm...@aol.com wrote:
>> On Mon, 3 Jun 2019 09:51:03 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>> <angelica...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Monday, June 3, 2019 at 12:19:11 PM UTC-4, Sheldon wrote:
>>>> And paper plates
>>>> are produced and packaged entirely by machine, never touched by human
>>>> hands so they are sterile. Dishes sitting in a kitchen cabinet are
>>>> far from sterile.
>>>
>>> And yet millions of people fail to get sick from eating off of
>>> un-sterile
>>> dishes from their cabinets. Perhaps sterile dishes aren't necessary.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> Then why bother with dishwashers...
>>
>So you don't have to play at the sink. Saves time, saves water.

Saves me no time... two plates + utensiles take no more than ten
minutes to hand wash, hand dry, and put away. A dishwasher needs to
be loaded, unloaded, and runs for at least an hour... saves nothing...
and wastes electric. We don't use nearly enough dishes in a week to
fill a dishwasher.

===

Do you not use anything for prep?? I don't know if it is because I
like to cook from scratch, but I always have plenty for the dishwasher,not
just two plates and utensils!

Does anyone else have only two plates and utensils??

[Bruce]

On Tue, 4 Jun 2019 09:53:36 +0100, "Ophelia" <OphEl...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Popeye doesn't use much. He cooks hamburgers in his hand, for
instance.

[Leonard Blaisdell]

In article <glmpuk...@mid.individual.net>, Ophelia

<OphEl...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Do you not use anything for prep?? I don't know if it is because I
> like to cook from scratch, but I always have plenty for the dishwasher,not
> just two plates and utensils!

Personally, I wash everything I have used as I use it, and no longer
need it, by hand as I cook. It's no big deal for me.

> Does anyone else have only two plates and utensils??

By the time we eat, two plates and utensils is my goal. I put those in
the dishwasher. My wife has been known to leave me alone for a month
while visiting relatives. I don't use the dishwasher at all then. We
all have our own methods. I wouldn't worry about it.

leo

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Monday, June 3, 2019 at 10:48:20 PM UTC-4, Sheldon wrote:
> On Mon, 3 Jun 2019 19:44:37 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.xxx> wrote:
>
> >On 6/3/2019 7:01 PM, penm...@aol.com wrote:
> >> On Mon, 3 Jun 2019 09:51:03 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> >> <angelica...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Monday, June 3, 2019 at 12:19:11 PM UTC-4, Sheldon wrote:
> >>>> And paper plates
> >>>> are produced and packaged entirely by machine, never touched by human
> >>>> hands so they are sterile. Dishes sitting in a kitchen cabinet are
> >>>> far from sterile.
> >>>
> >>> And yet millions of people fail to get sick from eating off of un-sterile
> >>> dishes from their cabinets. Perhaps sterile dishes aren't necessary.
> >>>
> >>> Cindy Hamilton
> >>
> >> Then why bother with dishwashers...
> >>
> >So you don't have to play at the sink. Saves time, saves water.
>
> Saves me no time... two plates + utensiles take no more than ten
> minutes to hand wash, hand dry, and put away. A dishwasher needs to
> be loaded, unloaded, and runs for at least an hour...

Takes seconds to load and unload two plates & utensils.

You don't need to stand there supervising it for an hour. I start
the dishwasher and leave the room. It typically isn't done by the
time I go to bed, but it doesn't require my constant supervision any
more than my water heater requires me to observe it while it does its
job.

saves nothing...
> and wastes electric.

It typically saves a lot of heated water, which isn't free. I'll admit
that's more of a concern for those of us who pay for water by the gallon
rather than the kilowatt-hour (pumping from the well).

> We don't use nearly enough dishes in a week to
> fill a dishwasher.

Pots and pans. I put everything in the dishwasher (besides sharp
knives) that will fit.

Why am I bothering to reply? You're intransigent.

Cindy Hamilton

[Bruce]

He doesn't know what that means (and you know that).

[Ophelia]

"Leonard Blaisdell" wrote in message
news:040620190317020572%leobla...@sbcglobal.net...

=====

Thanks:)) I am not worried, I was interested to know how others work:))

[Cindy Hamilton]

Online dictionaries are readily available.

Cindy Hamilton

[Gary]

Cindy Hamilton wrote:

>
> Sheldon wrote:
> > two plates + utensiles take no more than ten
> > minutes to hand wash, hand dry, and put away. A dishwasher needs to
> > be loaded, unloaded, and runs for at least an hour...
>
> Takes seconds to load and unload two plates & utensils.

Please tell me you don't run a dishwasher for only
two plates and untensils

I can hand wash that in less than one minute.
Sheldon might take 10 minutes to do that
but he's old. I also let my things air dry.
Never stand there and towel dry like the Cleavers.

[Dave Smith]

On 2019-06-04 6:17 a.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

> By the time we eat, two plates and utensils is my goal. I put those in
> the dishwasher. My wife has been known to leave me alone for a month
> while visiting relatives. I don't use the dishwasher at all then. We
> all have our own methods. I wouldn't worry about it.

My wife is heading out to a conference and will be gone for two days. I
told her to leave her breakfast dishes in the sink and I will wash them
with mine. The dishwasher will not be used until after she gets back. I
prefer to take a couple minutes to do the dishes by hand.

[Ed Pawlowski]

Two for breakfast, two for lunch, two for dinner. Toss in a mixing
bowl, serving bowl, utensils, storage containers, cups, tumblers, and in
two days you have a full load. Drop a pod, push a couple of buttons and
in a few hours you have spotless sanitized dishes. No racks taking up
space on the counter, no contaminated towels.

[U.S. Janet B.]

thank you Ed.
Janet US

[lucreti...@fl.it]

On Tue, 4 Jun 2019 09:40:37 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.xxx> wrote:

>>
>
>Two for breakfast, two for lunch, two for dinner. Toss in a mixing
>bowl, serving bowl, utensils, storage containers, cups, tumblers, and in
>two days you have a full load. Drop a pod, push a couple of buttons and
>in a few hours you have spotless sanitized dishes. No racks taking up
>space on the counter, no contaminated towels.

I really don't get not using the dishwasher. I do as you do, I feel
washing dishes by hand is the dumbest job and I washed all I had to
before I had a dishwasher with 5 of us in the family. If I had to
part with one, I would part with the clothes washer before the
dishwasher :)

[graham]

Halve and and double your figures respectively for me.
However, I iron my shirts:-)

[Gary]

lucreti...@fl.it wrote:
>
> I really don't get not using the dishwasher. I do as you do, I feel
> washing dishes by hand is the dumbest job and I washed all I had to
> before I had a dishwasher with 5 of us in the family.

Dishwasher for 5 people in family would have been so nice.
Using dishwasher now with just YOU living alone is silly.

[Gary]

graham wrote:
>
> On 2019-06-04 7:40 a.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > On 6/4/2019 9:16 AM, Gary wrote:
> >> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Sheldon wrote:
> >>>> two plates + utensiles take no more than ten

> >>>> minutes to hand wash, hand dry, and put away. A dishwasher needs to

> >>>> be loaded, unloaded, and runs for at least an hour...
> >>>
> >>> Takes seconds to load and unload two plates & utensils.
> >>
> >> Please tell me you don't run a dishwasher for only
> >> two plates and untensils
> >>
> >> I can hand wash that in less than one minute.
> >> Sheldon might take 10 minutes to do that
> >> but he's old. I also let my things air dry.
> >> Never stand there and towel dry like the Cleavers.
> >>
> >

> > Two for breakfast, two for lunch, two for dinner. Toss in a mixing

> > bowl, serving bowl, utensils, storage containers, cups, tumblers, and in

> > two days you have a full load. Drop a pod, push a couple of buttons and
> > in a few hours you have spotless sanitized dishes. No racks taking up

> > space on the counter, no contaminated towels.
>
> Halve and and double your figures respectively for me.
> However, I iron my shirts:-)

Maybe you should let your dishwasher iron your shirts too.
Surely, the new ones can do that too. ;)

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Tuesday, June 4, 2019 at 9:16:21 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >
> > Sheldon wrote:
> > > two plates + utensiles take no more than ten
> > > minutes to hand wash, hand dry, and put away. A dishwasher needs to
> > > be loaded, unloaded, and runs for at least an hour...
> >
> > Takes seconds to load and unload two plates & utensils.
>
> Please tell me you don't run a dishwasher for only
> two plates and untensils

Of course not. I run the dishwasher when it's full. Every
day, sometimes twice on a weekend day.

Cindy Hamilton

[U.S. Janet B.]

Why? Because you think so? I don't understand condemning someone for
the choices they make. Do you hand washing folks go to some sort of
house-proud housekeeping heaven because you can say you voluntarily
did the dishes by hand?
Janet US

[Gary]

LOL :)
Seems I've awoken a hibernating grizzly bear.

[Dave Smith]

I don't get the thrill of a dishwasher. I find it more tedious to load
and unload the dishwasher than to simply wash the dishes after each
meal. It doesn't takes me much longer to do the dishes by hand than it
takes to load the machine, and later they have to be unloaded.

[Dave Smith]

That condemnation seems to be a two way street. People who use their
dishwashers a lot seem to think that those of us who don't are not
thinking with our heads on straight. It is not a matter of house keeping
pride for me to do dishes by hand. I don't really enjoy housework and
cleaning up the kitchen. I do it because I think it is easier. I prefer
to do it in small doses.

[penm...@aol.com]

On Tue, 4 Jun 2019 09:53:36 +0100, "Ophelia" <OphEl...@gmail.com>
wrote:

There's just two of us, why would we put out service for three?

Everything I use to prep gets cleaned and put away while the dish is
cooking... by the time I serve there is nothing to clean other than
plates and utensils we're using and that takes me ten minutes right
after eating and brushing my teeth. Left overs are still cooling in
their pot so go into the fridge later and the next day I portion them
for the fridge and for the freezer, and scrub the pot. People who
actually know how to cook clean as they go, unless they have a maid.
Restaurant cooks don't need to clean as they go because they have a
maid who scrubs pots, pans, bowls, etc., usually refered to as "Deep
Sink Willy"... a real commercial kitchen contains no soaps or glass.
Restaurant dishes and eating utensils go into a large dishwasher in
its own room, the scullery. Barware is washed by hand by the
barkeeper, when a table is cleared the barware is returned to the bar.
Some restaurants have a separate more gentle washer for glassware.
Restaurant cooks do clean their personal items like knives.
At home I wouldn't put my cookware/bakeware/cutlery or woodenware in
the dishwasher anyway, nor good glassware. Even our good company
dishes and eating utensils are washed by hand. Most of my
cookware/bakeware won't fit in the dishwasher.

We each use the same coffee mugs every morning, afterwards they are
hand washed and put back on their cuphook all ready for the next day.
I only have coffee in the morning. My wife drinks tea all day and
uses the same cup all day, just keeps refilling it... typically ends
up on her night table so is washed in the morning. Everything in our
home lives in a particular place, especially in the kitchen, that's
one reason why I do all the cooking, everything gets put back where it
lives. When I arrange the pantry items everything is lined up like
soldiers with all labels facing front. Everything in our fridge and
freezer is arranged in a purposeful way, I never need to search, even
in the dark all I need to do is reach in. We're very organized, a
dishwasher would wreak havoc on our routine, would just cause us
grief. We both like to have everything returned to where it lives all
ready to be used again, immediately, same as normal people do with
their toothbrush.

[tert in seattle]

sqwe...@gmail.invalid writes:
>On Mon, 03 Jun 2019 16:07:50 -0600, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 3 Jun 2019 16:48:17 -0500, Sqwertz <sqwe...@gmail.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 03 Jun 2019 12:19:05 -0400, penm...@aol.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> The dishwasher is only used for plastic food
>>>> containers and maybe some empty glass jars, hand washing plastic they
>>>> still feel oily.
>>>
>>>You have to use a real sponge (not foam or synthetic). Nothing else
>>>gets the oily film off of a lot of types of plastics.
>>>
>>>It's still very water and labor intensive since they after have a
>>>bunch of nooks and crannies you have to maneuver around. I've
>>>switched to doing them in the dishwasher in recent months because of
>>>the pain and numbness in my hands. I just make sure I get them out
>>>before the drying cycles and bang the water off and out of the
>>>nooks and crannies, then onto the drying mat. Heat drying plastic
>>>usually leaves spots.
>>>
>>>-sw
>>
>> I put all my plastic on the top shelf of the dishwasher, tilted so the
>> water runs away. I leave them in for the full drying cycle. The
>> plastic I wash is those refrigerator storage containers.
>> Janet US
>
>But those containers have a lip that you can't tilt otherwise they
>fill with water on the inside. And they're so light that they often
>shift around o the top shelf just from the water. So I put them
>upside down and with a perforated pizza pan on top, then bang them
>out as I mentioned. It's just waht I do and it works for me. Maybe
>your dishwasher and plastic containers are different.
>
>-sw

"It's just waht I do and it works for me."

what have you done with the real Steve Wertz?

[lucreti...@fl.it]

On Tue, 04 Jun 2019 10:45:39 -0400, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:

Nope, it's not. Think about it, if I washed them daily I would use
far more water than I do with a dishwasher used maybe twice a week.
It's good to save water.

[lucreti...@fl.it]

On Tue, 04 Jun 2019 08:53:32 -0600, U.S. Janet B. <J...@nospam.com>
wrote:

Washing dishes by hand is wasteful of water and we - none of us - can
afford to do that. I try hard to be good about what will be left
behind me, one thing several friends have since copied - if I go out
to eat I take a re-usable plastic container instead of asking for a
doggy bag if I can't finish my meal and it being put in one of those
huge spongy plastic things. I then put the plastic container in the
dishwasher later for washing and re-use.

[lucreti...@fl.it]

Substitute the word 'practicality' for 'thrill' - about the only time
a dishwasher was a thrill was the very first time I turned on the very
first dishwasher we had!

[penm...@aol.com]

On Tue, 04 Jun 2019 03:17:02 -0700, Leonard Blaisdell
<leobla...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>In article <glmpuk...@mid.individual.net>, Ophelia
><OphEl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Do you not use anything for prep?? I don't know if it is because I
>> like to cook from scratch, but I always have plenty for the dishwasher,not
>> just two plates and utensils!
>
>Personally, I wash everything I have used as I use it, and no longer
>need it, by hand as I cook. It's no big deal for me.
>
>> Does anyone else have only two plates and utensils??
>
>By the time we eat, two plates and utensils is my goal. I put those in
>the dishwasher.

We do the same as you but wouldn't do that because then there'd be
more than a week's worth in the dishwasher before we'd turn it on. I
have no problem hand washing two place settings after dinner... and
during that time my wife tends to the cat litter.

>My wife has been known to leave me alone for a month
>while visiting relatives. I don't use the dishwasher at all then. We
>all have our own methods. I wouldn't worry about it.
>
>leo

My wife visits her kids but not for a month, maybe four days the most,
when the grands are out of school for a holiday, then I have my own
methods that work when it's just me, and I can eat all the onions I
want. This is the first place I've lived with a dishwasher, to date
I've never turned it on. All I'll do is empty the plastic food
storage containers, arrange them to dry, and put them back where they
live.
To me a dishwasher is for those who grew up poor and couldn't afford a
maid or a cleaning lady so as an adult by having a dishwasher they can
pretend that they are wealthy and the dishwasher is their maid.
Growing up we had no dishwasher, mom did most of the cooking, dad did
most of the dishwashing, he did a better job and was faster. As we
became old enough us kids did the drying and putting away.

[penm...@aol.com]

On Tue, 4 Jun 2019 06:06:24 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton

So is a thesaurus, where she found a synonym for mule headed.
I do several crossword puzzles every day, intransigent appears quite
often.

[penm...@aol.com]

On Tue, 04 Jun 2019 10:45:39 -0400, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:

Even if just two people.
Every chimpanzee knows that.

[penm...@aol.com]

On Tue, 04 Jun 2019 08:53:32 -0600, U.S. Janet B. <J...@nospam.com>
wrote:

We can tie our own shoelaces too, we don't need to rely on velcro.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

If I had a dishwasher I would certainly use it. It might take me a week to
get it full enough to use but I'd take advantage of that appliance. When I
was a child my 2 at home brothers and I were 'suppose' to take turns washing
dishes. Soon that job became mine and I HATED it but I don't mind it so much
now, but not a favorite chore by any means.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Tuesday, June 4, 2019 at 10:39:35 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> I don't get the thrill of a dishwasher. I find it more tedious to load
> and unload the dishwasher than to simply wash the dishes after each
> meal. It doesn't takes me much longer to do the dishes by hand than it
> takes to load the machine, and later they have to be unloaded.
>

I would have been THRILLED when a kid at home having a dishwasher. Especially
as I got older and family get togethers and holiday meals meant up to 20 plates,
20 glasses, a half dozen cups and saucers, and 20 dessert plates. Not to men-
tion all the eating utensils, serving bowls, prep bowls, and pots and pans.

No, I was not doing all that dishwashing but I was in line with the sisters-
in-law drying, drying, drying, and more drying. One holiday dinner after the
interminable dish washing and drying I pitched a hissy fit. I brought up the
idea of sturdy paper/plastic plates and large plastic drinking glasses. That
idea prompted a shouting match between my mother and me which in turn sisters-
in-law chimed in and thought that was fabulous idea. They were tired as I was
drying, drying, drying and drying a mountain of dishes. Next big get together/
holiday we were out of the kitchen in record time!!

[Bruce]

Thanks for sharing.

[Jack Granade]

On 6/4/2019 1:59 PM, penm...@aol.com Sheldon wrote:
> Every chimpanzee knows that.
>

You look like a kike chimp:

https://imgur.com/a/l6YDTQb

[Bruce]

You 2 must eat a lot on weekends.

[Cindy Hamilton]

Actually, no. I found that word in "Double Star" by Robert A Heinlein,
about 45 years ago.

Cindy Hamilton

[Cindy Hamilton]

We cook a lot on weekends. Some of it is saved for weekday lunches
or dinners; some of it is frozen for future meals.

If we don't cook for the fridge, we're apt to make more elaborate meals
on weekends than on weekdays.

Cindy Hamilton

[Bruce]

On Tue, 4 Jun 2019 12:01:50 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton

<angelica...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, June 4, 2019 at 2:44:36 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>> On Tue, 4 Jun 2019 07:46:52 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>> <angelica...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Tuesday, June 4, 2019 at 9:16:21 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
>> >> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Sheldon wrote:
>> >> > > two plates + utensiles take no more than ten
>> >> > > minutes to hand wash, hand dry, and put away. A dishwasher needs to
>> >> > > be loaded, unloaded, and runs for at least an hour...
>> >> >
>> >> > Takes seconds to load and unload two plates & utensils.
>> >>
>> >> Please tell me you don't run a dishwasher for only
>> >> two plates and untensils
>> >
>> >Of course not. I run the dishwasher when it's full. Every
>> >day, sometimes twice on a weekend day.
>>
>> You 2 must eat a lot on weekends.
>
>We cook a lot on weekends. Some of it is saved for weekday lunches
>or dinners; some of it is frozen for future meals.
>
>If we don't cook for the fridge, we're apt to make more elaborate meals
>on weekends than on weekdays.

Yes, if you're cooking ahead it's easy to fill a dishwasher.

[Dave Smith]

On 2019-06-04 2:10 p.m., itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:

>> Why? Because you think so? I don't understand condemning someone for
>> the choices they make. Do you hand washing folks go to some sort of
>> house-proud housekeeping heaven because you can say you voluntarily
>> did the dishes by hand?
>> Janet US
>>
> If I had a dishwasher I would certainly use it. It might take me a week to
> get it full enough to use but I'd take advantage of that appliance. When I
> was a child my 2 at home brothers and I were 'suppose' to take turns washing
> dishes. Soon that job became mine and I HATED it but I don't mind it so much
> now, but not a favorite chore by any means.
>

Would you? I have one. My wife uses it. She does most of the kitchen
clean up and she prefers to use it. When I am cleaning up, and when I am
on my own I do dishes by hand. I have a dishwasher and I do not use it.
I hate loading and unloading it.

[Ophelia]

"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message news:nxuJE.24126$wP3....@fx38.iad...

On 6/4/2019 9:16 AM, Gary wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>> Sheldon wrote:
>>> two plates + utensiles take no more than ten
>>> minutes to hand wash, hand dry, and put away. A dishwasher needs to
>>> be loaded, unloaded, and runs for at least an hour...
>>
>> Takes seconds to load and unload two plates & utensils.
>
> Please tell me you don't run a dishwasher for only
> two plates and untensils
>

> I can hand wash that in less than one minute.
> Sheldon might take 10 minutes to do that
> but he's old. I also let my things air dry.
> Never stand there and towel dry like the Cleavers.
>

Two for breakfast, two for lunch, two for dinner. Toss in a mixing
bowl, serving bowl, utensils, storage containers, cups, tumblers, and in
two days you have a full load. Drop a pod, push a couple of buttons and
in a few hours you have spotless sanitized dishes. No racks taking up
space on the counter, no contaminated towels.

==

Amen to that:))

[Ophelia]

"U.S. Janet B." wrote in message
news:fa1dfe9r6ahmvs51k...@4ax.com...

==

:))))

[Ophelia]

"Cindy Hamilton" wrote in message
news:5a595907-a7b6-4e2e...@googlegroups.com...

==

+1 :))

[Ophelia]

"Bruce" wrote in message news:vvedfe1l3trcu0bk9...@4ax.com...

===

Why? We don't only eat at weekends, I do a lot of prep too!