First Tomato

[John Kuthe]

https://i.postimg.cc/DzjML2wL/First-Tomato.jpg

My Gardens are Productive! :-)

John Kuthe...

[Ed Pawlowski]

Looks like it needs another day or two. Nothing beats a fresh picked
tomato.

[Bryan Simmons]

I spray the large tomatoes with water, then sprinkle some of this on them to deter the squirrels. https://www.amazon.com/Laxmi-Ex-Hot-Chilli-Powder-Grams/dp/B076ZZBJYL

--Bryan

[John Kuthe]

On Wednesday, July 15, 2020 at 1:04:52 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

:-) More where THAT came from! :-)

Lots! :-)

John Kuthe...

[John Kuthe]

The squirrels gotta eat too! They only take little bites!

John Kuthe...

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

Good looking tomato. Do you have a weedeater?

[Sheldon Martin]

One schtinkin UNDER RIPE tomato obviously bought at Walmart... I don't
see any tomato plant.

[Bryan Simmons]

They take one bite from each tomato. I don't care about the cherry tomatoes. There are zillions of those, but the one plant that produces slicing tomatoes, I protect.
>
> John Kuthe...

--Bryan

[Bryan Simmons]

It is only a day or two under ripe, with cracks that indicate inconsistent watering. As a tomato grower, I can say that this is almost certainly homegrown. If he'd waited another day to ripen on the plant, it might have been damaged by squirrels.

--Bryan

[Bruce]

On Wed, 15 Jul 2020 20:36:32 -0400, Sheldon Martin <penm...@aol.com>
wrote:

In spite of a few imperfections, I'm sure it beats a supermarket
tomato hands down.

[Hank Rogers]

Bryan Simmons wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 15, 2020 at 4:44:44 PM UTC-5, John Kuthe wrote:
>> On Wednesday, July 15, 2020 at 4:16:22 PM UTC-5, Bryan Simmons wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, July 15, 2020 at 1:04:52 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>> On 7/15/2020 12:57 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
>>>>> https://i.postimg.cc/DzjML2wL/First-Tomato.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>> My Gardens are Productive! :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> John Kuthe...
>>>>>
>>>> Looks like it needs another day or two. Nothing beats a fresh picked
>>>> tomato.
>>>
>>> I spray the large tomatoes with water, then sprinkle some of this on them to deter the squirrels. https://www.amazon.com/Laxmi-Ex-Hot-Chilli-Powder-Grams/dp/B076ZZBJYL
>>>
>>> --Bryan
>>
>> The squirrels gotta eat too! They only take little bites!
>
> They take one bite from each tomato. I don't care about the cherry tomatoes. There are zillions of those, but the one plant that produces slicing tomatoes, I protect.
>>
>> John Kuthe...
>
> --Bryan
>

Your method won't work for him. When the student tenants come home
from beer parties, they piss on those gardens. That would wash off
your treatments.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Wednesday, July 15, 2020 at 7:36:36 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>

The tomato plant was in one of his other pictures. It was to the left of the
porch as you come up the sidewalk.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Wednesday, July 15, 2020 at 8:01:47 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>
> In spite of a few imperfections, I'm sure it beats a supermarket
> tomato hands down.
>

Here! Here!

[Snag]

He's just virtue signaling with that pitiful excuse of a garden . If
he was serious about growing his own veggies and fruits he'd have the
back yard (is there a back yard?) dug up and planted instead of a couple
of plants in the flower beds . We will probably be canning some green
beans from our garden next week . Depending on how they ripen we'll be
canning or freezing some Roma tomatoes in a couple more weeks , the
first ones are just beginning to ripen . And my wife better either start
eating those cucumbers or pickling them , I didn't grow them to sit in
the fridge . I better get off my ass and make some stuffed peppers from
those Anaheims I picked a couple of days ago .
--
Snag
Illegitimi non
carborundum

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Wednesday, July 15, 2020 at 11:14:19 PM UTC-4, Snag wrote:
> On 7/15/2020 9:33 PM, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
> > On Wednesday, July 15, 2020 at 8:01:47 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> >>
> >> In spite of a few imperfections, I'm sure it beats a supermarket
> >> tomato hands down.
> >>
> > Here! Here!
> >
>
> He's just virtue signaling with that pitiful excuse of a garden . If
> he was serious about growing his own veggies and fruits he'd have the
> back yard (is there a back yard?) dug up and planted instead of a couple
> of plants in the flower beds .

So what? Why should he conform to your ideas of virtuous behavior.
Why should he be "serious" about it?

I grow the things I want to grow: garlic and herbs. I used to
grow tomatoes but gave up because they reliably died of blossom-end
rot.

Cindy Hamilton

[Bruce]

On Wed, 15 Jul 2020 22:14:18 -0500, Snag <Snag...@msn.com> wrote:

>On 7/15/2020 9:33 PM, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
>> On Wednesday, July 15, 2020 at 8:01:47 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>>>
>>> In spite of a few imperfections, I'm sure it beats a supermarket
>>> tomato hands down.
>>>
>> Here! Here!
>>
> He's just virtue signaling with that pitiful excuse of a garden .

Just because you live in the Toothless Mountains doesn't mean
everybody does.

> If he was serious about growing his own veggies and fruits he'd have the
>back yard (is there a back yard?)

If you don't even know if there's a backyard, what are you on about?

[songbird]

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
...

> I grow the things I want to grow: garlic and herbs. I used to
> grow tomatoes but gave up because they reliably died of blossom-end
> rot.

too bad, BER can be worked around and will not
usually kill a plant. other blights and diseases
will often damage a plant but not outright kill
them either.

bad soil conditions and not enough water will
usually do them in though.


songbird

[jay]

On 7/15/20 9:14 PM, Snag wrote:
> On 7/15/2020 9:33 PM, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
>> On Wednesday, July 15, 2020 at 8:01:47 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>>>
>>> In spite of a few imperfections, I'm sure it beats a supermarket
>>> tomato hands down.
>>>
>> Here! Here!
>>
>
>   He's just virtue signaling

There is nothing even close to virtuous about this thing.

[Bruce]

Q: What did the maxi-pad say to the fart?

A: You are the wind beneath my wings.

[Bryan Simmons]

The imperfections don't affect the taste, but they are a good indication that it didn't come from the supermarket. My first tomato was at least that cracked.

--Bryan

[Bryan Simmons]

You need lime. It doesn't take much at all A bag of it would last you the rest of your life. Just top dress a little every year. I never buy tomato plants anymore I sometimes buy a packet or two of seeds from the local community garden resource place for 25 cents a packet, but the tomatoes that really produce are the volunteers. All you have to do is water the area where the tomatoes were the year before. For salads, cherry tomatoes are great, and today is the point that I will have as many cherry tomatoes as my family would wish to eat until the first frost. To celebrate that, I bought a large head of iceberg.

Tomorrow we'll be having green salads, and it's a Jack Sprat thing. My son dislikes the inner parts of an iceberg head, and while he'd prefer leaf lettuce, he's OK with the outer leaves, and I love the crunchy inner portions. It gets better. We'll have baked russets, par cooked in the microwave and finished in the oven, but I also bought some ungraded ribeyes today that if they'd been graded, would have been on the better side of Choice for marbling. They'll be grilled over a hot fire, and I mean fire, not just charcoal that flares up with dripping fat, but fire from half burned seasoned hickory.

I don't know what others will add to their lettuce/tomato salads, but mine will be dressed with only some Key lime juice (we have several Key limes that won't be good much longer) and a little pre-grated domestic Asiago.

I'm a spiteful person, and I'm sending out hate toward every person who is not practicing proper Covid-19 hygiene, but I'm also feeling love for all of you who are acting like adults, and doing what you can to prevent unnecessary transmission of the virus. I wear a face covering all day at work, and anytime I am in a building not my home. I'm not a hero for enduring the minor discomfort of the mask. I'm just being a grownup. Most other grownups are acting like grownups, and the few who are not deserve to die.

--Bryan

--Bryan

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Thursday, July 16, 2020 at 8:30:26 PM UTC-4, Bryan Simmons wrote:
> On Thursday, July 16, 2020 at 5:10:15 AM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Wednesday, July 15, 2020 at 11:14:19 PM UTC-4, Snag wrote:
> > > On 7/15/2020 9:33 PM, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, July 15, 2020 at 8:01:47 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> In spite of a few imperfections, I'm sure it beats a supermarket
> > > >> tomato hands down.
> > > >>
> > > > Here! Here!
> > > >
> > >
> > > He's just virtue signaling with that pitiful excuse of a garden . If
> > > he was serious about growing his own veggies and fruits he'd have the
> > > back yard (is there a back yard?) dug up and planted instead of a couple
> > > of plants in the flower beds .
> >
> > So what? Why should he conform to your ideas of virtuous behavior.
> > Why should he be "serious" about it?
> >
> > I grow the things I want to grow: garlic and herbs. I used to
> > grow tomatoes but gave up because they reliably died of blossom-end
> > rot.
>
> You need lime. It doesn't take much at all A bag of it would last you the rest of your life. Just top dress a little every year.

I don't think that would help our somewhat alkaline soil.

Now I depend on the kindness of friends and the farm stand.

Cindy Hamilton

[Bryan Simmons]

Alkaline soil is easy to amend, and raised beds are easy to build.

>
> Now I depend on the kindness of friends and the farm stand.

In many years of gardening, big slicing tomatoes have always been a challenge, but cherry tomatoes reseed and grow back every year if you water the area.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

--Bryan

[John Kuthe]

It was red all the way through too. I only ate 1/2 ands someone else must've eaten the other 1/2, but that's more where that came from!

John Kuthe...

[Cindy Hamilton]

Thanks. If I wanted to grow tomatoes, I'd grow tomatoes. I'll
stick to growing garlic, which pays off for months after the
harvest.

Cindy Hamilton

[Sheldon Martin]

On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 18:49:54 -0700 (PDT), Bryan Simmons
<bryang...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Friday, July 17, 2020 at 4:34:18 AM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Thursday, July 16, 2020 at 8:30:26 PM UTC-4, Bryan Simmons wrote:
>> > On Thursday, July 16, 2020 at 5:10:15 AM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> > > On Wednesday, July 15, 2020 at 11:14:19 PM UTC-4, Snag wrote:
>> > > > On 7/15/2020 9:33 PM, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
>> > > > > On Wednesday, July 15, 2020 at 8:01:47 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> In spite of a few imperfections, I'm sure it beats a supermarket
>> > > > >> tomato hands down.
>> > > > >>
>> > > > > Here! Here!
>> > > >
>> > > > He's just virtue signaling with that pitiful excuse of a garden . If
>> > > > he was serious about growing his own veggies and fruits he'd have the
>> > > > back yard (is there a back yard?) dug up and planted instead of a couple
>> > > > of plants in the flower beds .
>> > >
>> > > So what? Why should he conform to your ideas of virtuous behavior.
>> > > Why should he be "serious" about it?
>> > >
>> > > I grow the things I want to grow: garlic and herbs. I used to
>> > > grow tomatoes but gave up because they reliably died of blossom-end
>> > > rot.

Rot is caused from watering the leaves/blossoms... to successfully
grow tomatoes never water the plants, only water the ground and early
in the day so any water on the lower leaves has time to dry before
night. It's best to install a drip watering system or for smaller
gardens use a watering can. We water our garden entirely by watering
cans, no matter how careful dragging a hose through a garden damages
plants. However there's nothing that can be done about wet plants
from excessive rain.

>> > You need lime. It doesn't take much at all A bag of it would last you the rest of your life. Just top dress a little every year.
>>
>> I don't think that would help our somewhat alkaline soil.

Peat moss will correct alkaline soil, also aids in water retention. We
also use straw around plants to repel birds from getting to your seeds
and newly germinated plants and to help prevent rain water from
splashing up to the plants and covering the leaves with mud, the straw
gets tilled in at the end of the growing season.

>Alkaline soil is easy to amend, and raised beds are easy to build.
>>
>> Now I depend on the kindness of friends and the farm stand.
>
>In many years of gardening, big slicing tomatoes have always been a challenge, but cherry tomatoes reseed and grow back every year if you water the area.

You have no problem growing superfluous commas.
The only problem with growing large slicing tomatoes is that if not
well supported the weight of the fruit will break the branches.

>> Cindy Hamilton
>
>--Bryan

[U.S. Janet B.]

On Sat, 18 Jul 2020 08:27:07 -0400, Sheldon Martin <penm...@aol.com>
wrote:

snip

>
>Rot is caused from watering the leaves/blossoms... to successfully
>grow tomatoes never water the plants, only water the ground and early
>in the day so any water on the lower leaves has time to dry before
>night. It's best to install a drip watering system or for smaller
>gardens use a watering can. We water our garden entirely by watering
>cans, no matter how careful dragging a hose through a garden damages
>plants. However there's nothing that can be done about wet plants
>from excessive rain.
>

snip
You are close. Blossom end rot is caused by uneven watering. A dry
stretch followed by a lot of water. Especially during hot spells.
Keep soil moist. During 100F+ temps I have to water tomatoes 2-3x per
week. maybe even in twice per day, early morning and late afternoon.
Tomatoes are very big plants and lose a lot of water through all those
leaves. Watering evenly will also keep the skins from being tough.
Bean plants are susceptible to blight (large spots on leaves) if they
get over head watering. Never pick beans when the leaves are wet.
That opens opportunity for disease.
Side dress tomatoes with epsom salts. Particularly if the leaves are
pale or getting wrinkly in the season. Quick and easy (cheap and
readily available) source of magnesium. Epsom salts is practically a
miracle. Most bags (available at drug stores, everywhere) carry
instructions for feeding tomatoes and peppers.
HTH
Janet US

[Ed Pawlowski]

Don't forget the egg shells and banana peels too. Calcium. potassium,
phosphate.

[John Kuthe]

We all put banana peels in and some of my Friends contribute egg shells a lot.

John Kuthe...

[GM]

Uh, just so you know, "alot" is *two* words, phrased thusly: " a lot"...

--
Best
Greg

[Sqwertz]

On Sat, 18 Jul 2020 08:27:07 -0400, Sheldon Martin wrote:

> You have no problem growing superfluous commas.

It's not the first time you've bitched about and it's not the last
time you're look like an idiot because you're wrong. Most of your
drunken, rambling diatribes are horrendous in the spelling and
punctuation department.

We'll be sure and point them out next time(s).

-sw

[dsi1]

On Wednesday, July 15, 2020 at 6:57:24 AM UTC-10, John Kuthe wrote:
> https://i.postimg.cc/DzjML2wL/First-Tomato.jpg
>
> My Gardens are Productive! :-)
>
> John Kuthe...

Breakfast this morning was eggs with tomatoes. All I had was tiny tomatoes but it was tasty. It's a classic Chinese comfort food.

https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared/ph1b8NECR9yx-eMyBtKmrw.I6rQoU7ZF-b4NiD4NbU6Uu

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Saturday, July 18, 2020 at 3:56:42 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
>
> Breakfast this morning was eggs with tomatoes. All I had was tiny tomatoes but it was tasty. It's a classic Chinese comfort food.
>
> https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared/ph1b8NECR9yx-eMyBtKmrw.I6rQoU7ZF-b4NiD4NbU6Uu
>

No tomatoes here so I just had a fried egg sandwich on lightly toasted and
buttered bread.

[Boron Elgar]

On Sat, 18 Jul 2020 10:40:10 -0600, U.S. Janet B. <J...@nospam.com>
wrote:

I find blossom rot is often related to the particular variety I might
be growing. I follow all the usual enrichments, but in my big tomato
plot or if I have multiple varsities growing in the same container,
most thrive (except for blight, which is also based on variety
resistance), but some will just produce blossom rot fruit and some
not.

Too many incidences stretching over the years for me not to be
monitoring this year after year. Everything I plant gets Epsom salts
and that makes a big diff, not just in tomatoes and peppers, but in
beans radishes, lettuce, etc...flowering plants and the roses love it,
too.

This year we only have one tomato plant getting rot out of maybe 3
dozen I am fostering this year.

We have added a new routine this year for the blight, though...A
heaping tablespoon of baking soda, a teaspoon of vegetable oil, and a
small amount of mild soap to a gallon of water and spray the tomato
and cuke plants with this solution. It has not prevented all the
blight this year, which springs up when the heat & humidity are high
and any summer drenching rains come and gone. No one has convinced
Mother Nature not to splash on tomato or cuke plants during a rain.

My huge success year, though is some lovely and unusual cherry
tomatoes. I bought a pint of mixed heirloom cherries, seeded them and
put the prepped seeds in jiffy pots in the spring. I am getting some
incredible cherry tomatoes growing in one tub, I have 4 varieties from
the heirlooms.


I have sent you a pic link of these cherries, Janet, all being grown
in one large tub

[dsi1]

Bread would be nice but I'm not going to eat bread for a while because the rest of the family is on a restricted diet. All they eat is protein bars/drinks and fish and salad. Ha ha, that's so funny.

[John Kuthe]

Orthorexia or "right eating"is often a cause of malnutrition.

John Kuthe...

[Nancy Young]

I will be Epsom salting my tomatoes tomorrow. Thanks.

I learned this today:

https://www.discovery.com/science/Coffee-Grounds-in-Your-Garden

I don't feel so bad tossing them anymore.

nancy

[Bruce]

It reminds me of Steve Jobs. Or of David Bowie's diet of coke (not the
drink), milk and red peppers. Although that wasn't a case of
orthorexia.

[Bruce]

John Kuthe wrote:

> https://i.postimg.cc/DzjML2wL/First-Tomato.jpg
>
> My Gardens are Productive! :-)
>
> John Kuthe...

Is "hen fruit" a yank slang term for "tomato"?

[songbird]

like many things, it makes a lot of difference how much
you use.

spread them around on the lawn and over the course of a
year they'd probably not be noticed. dump them all in one
place and then, yeah, a different story.

i don't drink coffee or tea often enough for this ever
to be an issue.


songbird

[S Viemeister]

On 19/07/2020 01:39, Nancy Young wrote:
>
> I learned this today:
>
> https://www.discovery.com/science/Coffee-Grounds-in-Your-Garden

Unfortunately, they won't allow access from Scotland. What does the
article say?

[Bruce]

-Coffee grounds contain caffeine. Plants that produce caffeine do so
because it kills off competing plants in the surrounding area.
-Coffee grounds are highly acidic. Do your plants want that?
-Coffee grounds are high in nitrogen. Do your plants want that?

"Applying spent coffee grounds directly to urban agriculture soils
greatly reduces plant growth."

[Cindy Hamilton]

I don't see anything overtly Chinese. I occasionally have scrambled eggs
with tomatoes.

Cindy Hamilton

[Nancy Young]

For one thing, coffee grounds are acidic, and, quoting:

While you might think you squeezed every last drop of caffeine out of
those grounds in your french press, think again: A study in the Journal
of Agricultural and Food Chemistry found that there can be up to 8
milligrams of caffeine per gram of used coffee grounds, depending on how
long the grounds steep in the water. That means that after you brew a
shot of espresso, the grounds still contain about as much caffeine as a
cup of tea.

That's why adding coffee grounds to your garden is the last thing you
want to do. A 2016 study in the journal Urban Forestry & Urban Greening
said it all in the title: "Applying spent coffee grounds directly to
urban agriculture soils greatly reduces plant growth." That was true
even when they composted the coffee grounds with other organic waste —
something experts recommend in the first place. Another study
inadvertently found that compost spiked with coffee grounds kills
earthworms. And remember how adding organic material attracts helpful
bacteria? Well, coffee grounds also have antibacterial properties. Bye
bye, little buggies.

[Nancy Young]

I was saving my grounds for the compost every day. At
some point we stopped, not for any particular reason.
I felt a little guilty tossing them.

nancy

[dsi1]

It's just egg and tomato so I suppose there's nothing really Chinese about it, except that it's one of the most popular dishes to make in China.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJNNq_-vKEE

[Sheldon Martin]

There's nothing Chinese about tomatoes, they're a New World crop.
No Chinese ever saw a tomato until about 100 years ago, and at that
time tomatoes were considered toxic... tomatoes are in the nightshade
family, the entire plant is toxic except for the fruit.
Eggs are popular worldwide

[Cindy Hamilton]

100 years ago was 1920. Plenty of Westerners were eating tomatoes by
then.

> tomatoes are in the nightshade
> family, the entire plant is toxic except for the fruit.
> Eggs are popular worldwide

Same thing for chili peppers. Yet, Szechuan and Hunan cuisines are
famed for their spiciness.

Cindy Hamilton

[S Viemeister]

Thank you.

[S Viemeister]

On 19/07/2020 13:33, Nancy Young wrote:

> While you might think you squeezed every last drop of caffeine out of
> those grounds in your french press, think again: A study in the Journal
> of Agricultural and Food Chemistry found that there can be up to 8
> milligrams of caffeine per gram of used coffee grounds, depending on how
> long the grounds steep in the water. That means that after you brew a
> shot of espresso, the grounds still contain about as much caffeine as a
> cup of tea.
>
> That's why adding coffee grounds to your garden is the last thing you
> want to do. A 2016 study in the journal Urban Forestry & Urban Greening
> said it all in the title: "Applying spent coffee grounds directly to
> urban agriculture soils greatly reduces plant growth." That was true
> even when they composted the coffee grounds with other organic waste —
> something experts recommend in the first place. Another study
> inadvertently found that compost spiked with coffee grounds kills
> earthworms. And remember how adding organic material attracts helpful
> bacteria? Well, coffee grounds also have antibacterial properties. Bye
> bye, little buggies.
>

Interesting.

[Gary]

"itsjoan...@webtv.net" wrote:
> No tomatoes here so I just had a fried egg sandwich on lightly toasted and
> buttered bread.

I make fried egg sandwiches occasionally for lunch or dinner.
I always make two at a time. I'm a piggy.

Make and butter the toast first.
Put down 2 bottom slices with some cheese
One slice torn into 4 pieces, two pieces on each slice
of toast.
Then I fry 3 eggs over easy. Right before they are done,
I'll break the yolks on top and spread it around the egg
then quick flip to seal up the yolk a bit. Still runny
but won't run out of the sandwich.

One and a half eggs right on the cheese to melt it.
Salt and pepper each then put on top slices of toast.
On the 2nd sandwich, I'll put a lot of ketchup. That's
my 2nd sandwich and "dessert" sandwich.

YMMV. That's just what works for me.

[U.S. Janet B.]

On Sun, 19 Jul 2020 06:26:55 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
<angelica...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, July 19, 2020 at 9:11:00 AM UTC-4, Sheldon wrote:
>> On Sun, 19 Jul 2020 05:55:59 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
>> <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:

snip

>>
>> There's nothing Chinese about tomatoes, they're a New World crop.
>> No Chinese ever saw a tomato until about 100 years ago, and at that
>> time tomatoes were considered toxic...
>
>100 years ago was 1920. Plenty of Westerners were eating tomatoes by
>then.
>

snip

I didn't catch that. We are so used to using that measurement to me
long ago time. By then we had cars and telephones. Amazing
Janet US

[Sheldon Martin]

On Sun, 19 Jul 2020 14:49:24 +0100, S Viemeister
<firs...@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:

When composted coffee grounds hurt nothing.

[John Kuthe]

Yep, one can even grow mushrooms on them!

Fungi like anything nutritive!

John Kuthe...

[Hank Rogers]

Without rice?

[dsi1]

Tomatoes were in China before the USA existed. What's your point?

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

My fried egg sandwiches are n.o.t.h.i.n.g. like yours, thank goodness.

[Sheldon Martin]

On Sun, 19 Jul 2020 12:12:34 -0700 (PDT), dsi1

You are an ignorant chink.

[Dave Smith]

Tomatoes are supposed to have been introduced to China in the late 16th
or early 17th century. The USA....200 years later.

[dsi1]

Tomatoes are more Chinese than American - yoose lost again. Better luck next time.

https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared/ZFVxfCqgQjCZXkNstiSGVg.IatVle7_jD5SfFwPf49NzV

[Hank Rogers]

A typo, I'm sure.

Popeye meant to say "No Chinese ever saw a tomato until about 400
years ago".

[Bruce]

On Sun, 19 Jul 2020 13:34:16 -0700 (PDT), dsi1

Apple pie's more European than American. I don't know who loses.

[Sheldon Martin]

The tomato is native to South and Central America:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomato

[Gary]

"itsjoan...@webtv.net" wrote:
> My fried egg sandwiches are n.o.t.h.i.n.g. like yours, thank goodness.

If I was cooking for both of us, I'd cook mine then also
cook for you however you like them.

[Gary]

Bruce wrote:
> Apple pie's more European than American. I don't know who loses.

Nobody loses when it comes to eating apple pie. Doesn't matter
where it comes from.

[Hank Rogers]

I bet it came from belize!

[dsi1]

I've had more bad apple pie than good ones. Perhaps things are different where you live. McDonald's apple pies are pretty good but those aren't really apple pies. That's the breaks.

[Daniel]

John Kuthe <johnk...@gmail.com> writes:

> https://i.postimg.cc/DzjML2wL/First-Tomato.jpg
>
> My Gardens are Productive! :-)
>
> John Kuthe...
>

Very handsome tomato. My neighbor gives me a few per week from his
garden. I give him my waste food for his compost.

My mother's garden was unsuccessful this year. Since my father passed
away she can't seem to succeed in the garden.

For the first time in my life I'm eating store bough tomatoes at family
gatherings.

Didn't realize how spoiled I've been.

--
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[Dave Smith]

Apple pie certainly is popular. Apple is not my favourite pie, but it is
better than no pie at all.

[Bruce]

I only eat it as an excuse to have whipped cream.

[Sheldon Martin]

On Mon, 20 Jul 2020 10:34:13 -0400, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:

[Sheldon Martin]

On Mon, 20 Jul 2020 10:34:13 -0400, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:

I'll only eat the fruit filling if it's tasty, the crust feeds the
critters. Fruit pies are not my favorite, I like chocolate pudding
pies with graham cracker crust. Pizza pie is better than apple pie.

[Bruce]

On Mon, 20 Jul 2020 16:14:31 -0400, Sheldon Martin <penm...@aol.com>
wrote:

The French make great fruit pies. The Limburgers make great
kruimelvlaai.

[cshenk]

Umm, no, China seemed to only get them in the early 19th century.

[Bruce]

"seemed to" is cshenk speak for "I'm completely clueless but that
doesn't stop me from talking".

"The tomato was introduced to China, likely via the Philippines or
Macau, in the 1500s."
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomato>

[Gary]

My only bad apple pie was once when I used those damn sour
"Granny Smith" apples. Might have been ok if I had doubled
the amount of sugar.

I normally use Red Delicious apples and love the results.
Fresh cut apples and homemade crust from Betty Crocker
cookbook recipe.

BTW, have you tried a Burger King apple pie yet? I told you
about those long ago. They're not bad at all.

[Gary]

Apple pie with a bit of vanilla ice cream is good.
And, believe it or not...also good with a bit of
freshly shredded extra sharp cheddar cheese.

My two favorite pies are apple and sweet potato.

[Bruce]

On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 06:52:52 -0400, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:

>dsi1 wrote:
>>
>> On Monday, July 20, 2020 at 4:34:15 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
>> > Bruce wrote:
>> > > Apple pie's more European than American. I don't know who loses.
>> >
>> > Nobody loses when it comes to eating apple pie. Doesn't matter
>> > where it comes from.
>>
>> I've had more bad apple pie than good ones. Perhaps things are different where you live. McDonald's apple pies are pretty good but those aren't really apple pies. That's the breaks.
>
>My only bad apple pie was once when I used those damn sour
>"Granny Smith" apples. Might have been ok if I had doubled
>the amount of sugar.

Thus spoke the average American.

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Tuesday, July 21, 2020 at 6:52:51 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
> >
> > On Monday, July 20, 2020 at 4:34:15 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> > > Bruce wrote:
> > > > Apple pie's more European than American. I don't know who loses.
> > >
> > > Nobody loses when it comes to eating apple pie. Doesn't matter
> > > where it comes from.
> >
> > I've had more bad apple pie than good ones. Perhaps things are different where you live. McDonald's apple pies are pretty good but those aren't really apple pies. That's the breaks.
>
> My only bad apple pie was once when I used those damn sour
> "Granny Smith" apples. Might have been ok if I had doubled
> the amount of sugar.

Everybody's different. Apple pie is not my fave because it's just
sweet. There isn't enough tartness to balance it out. Give me
cherry pie any day.

Cindy Hamilton

[Gary]

Sounds to me then that you might actually like a Granny Smith
apple pie if you want tart.

[Cindy Hamilton]

Yep. I'd still prefer cherry, though.

Since I was a kid, "red" was my favorite flavor.

Cindy Hamilton

[U.S. Janet B.]

On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 06:52:52 -0400, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:

Granny Smith are excellent pie apples and I wouldn't use Red Delicious
for pie. I wouldn't use Red Delicious for anything -- too mealy.
Opposite tastes, you and me.
Janet US

[U.S. Janet B.]

I never understood where the cheddar cheese idea came from. According
to Wiki it is a 17th century English thing.
Janet US

[Dave Smith]

I always thought that Delicious was a misnomer for that apple variety. I
don't much care for apples, but Delicious are right at the bottom of the
list because of their texture and taste. I sometimes make apple pies,
fritters or an Annapolis pudding, a cake covered apple pudding. I use
cooking apples, something that will maintain some texture and with a
sharp taste.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Tuesday, July 21, 2020 at 10:26:57 AM UTC-5, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>
> I never understood where the cheddar cheese idea came from. According
> to Wiki it is a 17th century English thing.
> Janet US
>

Me neither. I've yet to be tempted to cut a slice of cheddar cheese and eat
it alongside apple pie that I don't eat too often. Like some others here,
it's not my first choice if I'm eating pie.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Tuesday, July 21, 2020 at 10:56:46 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> I always thought that Delicious was a misnomer for that apple variety. I
> don't much care for apples, but Delicious are right at the bottom of the
> list because of their texture and taste.
>

When I make Waldorf salad I like to use the red delicious variety because
I do leave the peelings on and the red gives a punch of color. The golden
delicious is good for this dish but even with the peelings left on it looks
a bit bland.

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Tuesday, July 21, 2020 at 11:56:46 AM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2020-07-21 11:22 a.m., U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> > On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 06:52:52 -0400, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:
>
> >> I normally use Red Delicious apples and love the results.
> >> Fresh cut apples and homemade crust from Betty Crocker
> >> cookbook recipe.
> >>
> >> BTW, have you tried a Burger King apple pie yet? I told you
> >> about those long ago. They're not bad at all.
> >
> > Granny Smith are excellent pie apples and I wouldn't use Red Delicious
> > for pie. I wouldn't use Red Delicious for anything -- too mealy.
> > Opposite tastes, you and me.
>
> I always thought that Delicious was a misnomer for that apple variety. I
> don't much care for apples, but Delicious are right at the bottom of the
> list because of their texture and taste.

I'd guess that if a person liked sweet apples and was able to get them right
off the tree (or nearly so), Red Delicious might be pretty good.

Cindy Hamilton

[Dave Smith]

That's because you never had it. When I was a kid we lived in a small
down and our 1950s style fridge has a freezer that was too small to hold
ice cream. We had the cheese option long before the ice cream option,
and it was real cheddar, not that chemical stuff they sell in some places.

[Dave Smith]

There were several apple orchards near my childhood home and we helped
ourselves to every variety they grew. Stolen apples taste better than
store bought. The "delicious" were the least tasty. Snow apples were the
best.

[Hank Rogers]

With commentary by the average dutchman.

[jay]

It would be a monumental improvement if that one got all the way up to
just average...and he shows in full color everyday how jealous he is of
Americans even just average Americans. He simply can't get Americans
off his narrow mind.

[U.S. Janet B.]

If I was going to bet, I'd bet that Waldorf salad was originally made
with Red Delicious.
Janet US

[U.S. Janet B.]

\absolutely right. My dad loved snow apples.
Janet US

[Ed Pawlowski]

I often eat apples, grapes, cheddar cheese and good bread with wine.
Makes a simple Saturday night dinner. Cheese and apple pie are just
another step with a good pairing.

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 7/21/2020 9:54 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

>>> Everybody's different. Apple pie is not my fave because it's just
>>> sweet. There isn't enough tartness to balance it out. Give me
>>> cherry pie any day.
>>
>> Sounds to me then that you might actually like a Granny Smith
>> apple pie if you want tart.
>
> Yep. I'd still prefer cherry, though.
>
> Since I was a kid, "red" was my favorite flavor.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>

Yes! Red is good. Red, purple, orange = good
Yellow, green = ick

[Bruce]

Sorry, did I hurt your feelings? The thing is, if you were all
Senegalese, I wouldn't be talking about Americans.

[Mike Duffy]

On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 12:16:28 -0600, U.S. Janet B. wrote:

> If I was going to bet, I'd bet that Waldorf salad was originally made
> with Red Delicious.

The Wiki entry is not clear, so I checked Google Images. And, Yikes, you
may be onto something.

[bruce2...@gmail.com]

On July 21, 2020 12:16PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>
> If I was going to bet, I'd bet that Waldorf salad was originally made
> with Red Delicious

But, I bet we'll never know what type of tomato was first eaten with lettuce the very first time.

[Sheldon Martin]

On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 "itsjoannotjoann wrote:

>On Tuesday, July 21, 2020 U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>
>> I never understood where the cheddar cheese idea came from. According
>> to Wiki it is a 17th century English thing.
>> Janet US
>>
>Me neither. I've yet to be tempted to cut a slice of cheddar cheese and eat
>it alongside apple pie that I don't eat too often. Like some others here,
>it's not my first choice if I'm eating pie.

I never want any cheese with any fruit pie and cheddar is my least
favorite cheese... for a cheese burger I prefer provolone. With fruit
pies I'd much rather vanilla ice cream and whipped cream. My favorite
fruit pie is blueberry and that goes well with vanilla ice cream and
whipped cream. However I'm not big on fruit pies. I like strawberry
rhubarb once in a while but not with ice cream or whipped cream, I
actually prefer that filling plain and not with pie crust either... I
don't like standard pie crust at all... for me pie crust is pizza pie
crust and I like graham cracker pie crust with pudding pies. For me
standard pie crust is good cut with cookie cutters and well baked with
a sugar and cinnamon topping. To me the bottom crust of fruit pie is
sog city, I never eat the bottom crust, critters get it. If the top
crust has well browned crisp edges I may eat some of that. I think
fruit pie filling is far better atop a slice of well baked pound cake.
Actually I'll generously spoon fruit pie filling atop a cake pan of
pound cake batter and then bake it to very well done. Whoever
invented pie crust earned the shithole baker's award.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Tuesday, July 21, 2020 at 1:16:36 PM UTC-5, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>
> If I was going to bet, I'd bet that Waldorf salad was originally made
> with Red Delicious.
> Janet US
>

From what I've read about it, it was made with the red delicious apple.
Good stuff once I get past that annoying chore of coring and chopping.