ot: again with the laptop problems

[A Moose in Love]

last week i got my laptop back from the factory. they replaced the motherboard, the display screen and the hard drive. one problem i had besides display problems was that the keypad i'd have to press many times to get something going. now, lo and behold, i have the same problem again. sometimes i press the keypad and right away it works. other times i have to press it about 20 times to get something going. oy vey. right now it is working ok. 5 minutes ago it behaved like s#(^.
back to the factory again? while i still have a bit of a warranty left.

[Terry Coombs]

On 6/12/2019 5:34 PM, A Moose in Love wrote:
> last week i got my laptop back from the factory. they replaced the motherboard, the display screen and the hard drive. one problem i had besides display problems was that the keypad i'd have to press many times to get something going. now, lo and behold, i have the same problem again. sometimes i press the keypad and right away it works. other times i have to press it about 20 times to get something going. oy vey. right now it is working ok. 5 minutes ago it behaved like s#(^.
> back to the factory again? while i still have a bit of a warranty left.

  I would . And demand a new machine , that one was probably assembled
about 20 minutes before quitting time on a Friday . My "new" laptop is a
Lenove T510 Thinkpad factory refurb lease return . Not the fastest nor
has it got a gigantic HDD , but as a computer to take on trips and look
up stuff out in the shop it's just dandy . I paid well under 200 bucks
for a computer that sold (as far as I can determine) for a couple of
thousand new ... and when I opened the box , it looked new . I probably
wouldn't like it as my "main" computer , but it's great for what I
bought it for .

--
Snag
Yes , I'm old
and crochety - and armed .
Get outta my woods !

[A Moose in Love]

when i was in the last time, i 'asked' for a new machine. didn't 'demand' one. this time i'll bring it up again. last time, they told me 'no new machine'. this is at best buy. i don't know if you have that chain in the US. they're usually pretty good.

[Ed Pawlowski]

Yes, we have them and I avoid them for the reasons you are running into.
I've heard many complaints.

[Terry Coombs]

  We do have that chain here , though not anywhere near where we now
live . I bought something from them years ago - liked it enough that
I've never been back .

[Sqwertz]

On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 15:34:49 -0700 (PDT), A Moose in Love wrote:

> last week i got my laptop back from the factory. they replaced
> the motherboard, the display screen and the hard drive.

Gotta laugh at that, c'mon! :-) What's left, the keyboard?

> one
> problem i had besides display problems was that the keypad i'd
> have to press many times to get something going. now, lo and
> behold, i have the same problem again.

Yep, that's what's left!

sometimes i press the
> keypad and right away it works. other times i have to press it
> about 20 times to get something going. oy vey. right now it is
> working ok. 5 minutes ago it behaved like s#(^. back to the
> factory again? while i still have a bit of a warranty left.

"I can't press the keypad to get something going"? That there is a
technical support agent's wet dream. I'd hang up on you.

-sw

[A Moose in Love]

On Thursday, June 13, 2019 at 5:06:54 AM UTC-4, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 15:34:49 -0700 (PDT), A Moose in Love wrote:
>
> > last week i got my laptop back from the factory. they replaced
> > the motherboard, the display screen and the hard drive.
>
> Gotta laugh at that, c'mon! :-) What's left, the keyboard?

actually, i got a new keyboard as well. no shit. they never told me i did, but now i have symbols on a few keys that i've never had before.
i'm starting to wonder if i had a virus, and now i have it again. ???
they basically gave me a new computer.

[Gary]

heyjoe wrote:
>
> On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 15:34:49 -0700 (PDT)

> in Message-ID:
> <news:0fb64ff5-6be1-4ced...@googlegroups.com>
> A Moose in Love <parkstre...@gmail.com> wrote :
>
> > while i still have a bit of a warranty left. back to the factory again?
>
> Your keybored is bork3n -
> the shift keys don't work (no capital letters!) and I suspect there are
> a couple of punctuation keys are also bork3n. Get those issues fixed
> while it's still under warranty.
>
> OR - give up and buy a new computer.

I would still go for replacement but if keyboard only is the
issue, have you tried a USB or wireless keyboard?

The laptop keyboards are so tiny and annoying anyway.

[A Moose in Love]

the keyboard is fine. i just use lower case intentionally. it's the keypad that's problematic. a solution might be to just purchase a mouse.

[Terry Coombs]

  Only for a 600 pound fatso with fingers the size of bratwursts .

[Gary]

Terry Coombs wrote:

>
> Gary wrote:
> > The laptop keyboards are so tiny and annoying anyway.
>
> Only for a 600 pound fatso with fingers the size of bratwursts .

I'm 6'2", and reasonably fit, large hands and feet.
The tiny laptop keyboard annoys the hell out of me.

What are you? Some small girlie-girl motorcycle driver?
Maybe wear a leather jacket while driving a moped?
Or that tiny gay looking prince dude in the diet Dr.Pepper
commercials? ;)

Send me some free honey, dammit! >:-O

BTW, just messing with ya. It's all good. :)

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Thursday, June 13, 2019 at 5:56:45 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
>
> The laptop keyboards are so tiny and annoying anyway.
>

???????????????????????????

[Terry Coombs]

  <chuckle> Actually I do have small hands . And you can call my ride a
moped on mega-steroids , with fairing , saddlebags , tourpak (some call
it a top box) and everything works but the cruise control ...

[Ophelia]

"Terry Coombs" wrote in message news:qds032$k72$1...@dont-email.me...

Snag

===

I have an old ThinkPad too. I bought a new Windows10 machine and hated
it. I gave it to D. and went back to this old one!

[Bruce]

So are many RFC'ers.

[dsi1]

I have a laptop with one of those Trackpoint thingies on the keyboard. Not only is it goofy, it's pretty much unusable. :)

https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1600/1*3gIOCAzFbPYuR7blIcBggg.jpeg

[Terry Coombs]

  You'd know .

[Bruce]

On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 19:16:17 -0500, Terry Coombs <snag...@msn.com>
wrote:

Well, you said you were tiny, but you're not annoying yet. I can see
you try though.

[John Kuthe]

Another BAD idea in computers that got implemented, failed and disappeared!

Just like MOST computer and cell phone things do! Fools!! :-(

John Kuthe, Climate Anarchist and Fledgling Luddite!

[dsi1]

On Thursday, June 13, 2019 at 3:04:36 PM UTC-10, John Kuthe wrote:
>
> Another BAD idea in computers that got implemented, failed and disappeared!
>
> Just like MOST computer and cell phone things do! Fools!! :-(
>
> John Kuthe, Climate Anarchist and Fledgling Luddite!

It might be a bad idea but the Trackpoint key is still alive and well and on most every Lenova Thinkpad.

[Ophelia]

"dsi1" wrote in message
news:d40adc23-0523-4116...@googlegroups.com...

=====

Yes, mine has one of those but I can't get on with it, so I use a mouse
instead.

[dsi1]

One of these days, I'm going to learn how to use that thing. Maybe not today, tomorrow maybe. :)

[Gary]

My laptops have a touchpad for moving the mouse. Annoying at
first but I got used to it. Once I get the annoying Windows10 one
going, I'll probably use a separate mouse and a keyboard.

[Ophelia]

"dsi1" wrote in message
news:cb159aac-c851-4ad9...@googlegroups.com...

====

I don't see much point. The mouse is much faster and easier, but
whatever floats your boat :)

[Cindy Hamilton]

If you frequently use your laptop, for example, on airplanes, it's
worth becoming adept with the built-in interface.

Cindy Hamilton

[Ophelia]

"Cindy Hamilton" wrote in message
news:92b0ce2c-ab69-4be0...@googlegroups.com...

====

Yes, I can see that, but those days are over for us. We have travelled
so much in our lives and lived for long periods in many other countries, we
now prefer to stay in UK and catch up on all the things we missed during our
travelling years:)) So now ... a much easier life:))

[Gary]

Ophelia wrote:
>
> Yes, I can see that, but those days are over for us. We have travelled
> so much in our lives and lived for long periods in many other countries, we
> now prefer to stay in UK and catch up on all the things we missed during our
> travelling years:)) So now ... a much easier life:))

You've never said so I have to ask. Did you ever get back to your
other house where you couldn't get your washed laundry out of
the machine due to door that wouldn't open? I hope that's not
still in there. oh man.

[Ophelia]

"Gary" wrote in message news:5D03B108...@att.net...

==

LOL yes! It is fixed. I got all my washing out. Before I got it out
though I ran another wash with plenty of fabric softener and it was ok:)

[jmcquown]

It's a matter of opinion. I'm not a fatso but I can't stand typing on a
laptop keyboard.

Jill

[Cindy Hamilton]

I hate it too. I can type 90 wpm on a real keyboard and about 9 wpm on
a laptop keyboard.

Cindy Hamilton

[jmcquown]

I use a laptop as my "desktop" computer. It contains the operating
system, other programs and the screen. I have a separate keyboard and a
separate mouse. Laptop keys are too close together for comfortable or
fast typing. I'm more prone to error or hitting function keys I had no
intention of hitting if I'm using a scrunched together keyboard. It's
also not a relaxed posture.

Jill

[A Moose in Love]

i agree with the separate mouse. i have no problem typing on the laptop keyboard. however, i don't use caps on the laptop because it does slow me down.

[dsi1]

wellthatexplainsalotthinkabouthowmuchtimeyou'dsaveifyoudon'thavetousethespacebar

[A Moose in Love]

hmmmmm. that's something to consider. :)

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Friday, June 14, 2019 at 12:58:26 PM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
>
> I can't stand typing on a
> laptop keyboard.
>
> Jill
>

I like this keyboard on the Asus but I'm not really impressed with several of
the functions of this laptop. Keys are spaced apart nicely and they're 2.3
mm key travel distance (travel as in up and down when the keys are pressed).

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Friday, June 14, 2019 at 2:35:24 PM UTC-5, A Moose in Love wrote:
>
>i have no problem typing on the laptop keyboard. however, i don't use caps on the laptop because it does slow me down.
>

You didn't take touch typing while in high school?

[jmcquown]

I'm glad you like it. All I know is what is comfortable for me and it
is *not* a laptop keyboard. I don't really need to know my travel
distance since I don't carry the laptop around with me.

Jill

[Dave Smith]

I don't have a problem typing on a laptop keyboard. The tablet and not
so smart phone are a different matter.

[Dave Smith]

It probably should have been mandatory. When I was in highschool we had
four year and five year programs. The five year was geared toward
preparing students for university. Four year programs were mainly for
tech courses for the boys and business for the girls.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Friday, June 14, 2019 at 4:08:54 PM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
>
> I don't really need to know my travel
> distance since I don't carry the laptop around with me.
>
> Jill
>

The 'travel distance' is how far the key travels up or down when it's pressed.
Not how far it travels when you take it out of the house.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXLLbKqvnmU

At the 1:05 mark of this video it shows the 'travel distance.'

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Friday, June 14, 2019 at 4:24:03 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> I don't have a problem typing on a laptop keyboard. The tablet and not
> so smart phone are a different matter.
>

I also have one of those 11 inch Chromebooks and typing on its' keyboard is
truly a pain. Keys are jammed right next to each other.

[dsi1]

I got a Samsung Chromebook Plus. For some reason, it has a small "enter" key. Boy, that was a mistake. It's a wonderful machine in spite of this. I guess they had to do that so it wouldn't be absolutely perfect. As we all know, only God is absolutely perfect. :)

[Bruce]

On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 14:33:12 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
<itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:

>On Friday, June 14, 2019 at 4:08:54 PM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> I don't really need to know my travel
>> distance since I don't carry the laptop around with me.
>>
>> Jill
>>
>The 'travel distance' is how far the key travels up or down when it's pressed.
>Not how far it travels when you take it out of the house.

LOL

[jmcquown]

LOL, Joan. Don't know about you but when I was in high school the only
boys who took typing did so because the class was filled with girls.
They didn't actually care about learning to type.

Personal computers weren't even a gleam in someone's eye back then.
Laptop computers, what's that? ;) Having said that, you don't have to
type on the laptop keyboard. I've always used a separate keyboard.

Jill

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Saturday, June 15, 2019 at 10:19:42 AM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
>
> On 6/14/2019 5:00 PM, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
>
> > On Friday, June 14, 2019 at 2:35:24 PM UTC-5, A Moose in Love wrote:
> >>
> >> i have no problem typing on the laptop keyboard. however, i don't use caps on the laptop because it does slow me down.
> >>
> > You didn't take touch typing while in high school?
> >
> LOL, Joan. Don't know about you but when I was in high school the only
> boys who took typing did so because the class was filled with girls.
> They didn't actually care about learning to type.
>

I don't recall a single boy in either of my typing classes. They were taking
wood working and drafting classes which I don't think are even offered now
days in schools.

>
> Personal computers weren't even a gleam in someone's eye back then.
> Laptop computers, what's that? ;) Having said that, you don't have to
> type on the laptop keyboard. I've always used a separate keyboard.
>
> Jill
>

Naw, at that time computers would fill a room; definitely nothing like we have
today. But I like the keyboard of this laptop; well spaced keys and they
feel like keys. It's other functions of this Asus I'm not thrilled about
but it will do.

[A Moose in Love]

i took typing. i'm male, and it was back around 1970 -- 1972. the gal teachers were pretty good.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Saturday, June 15, 2019 at 2:40:20 PM UTC-5, A Moose in Love wrote:
>
> i took typing. i'm male, and it was back around 1970 -- 1972. the gal teachers were pretty good.
>

Ok. Then there's no excuse for you to not use your shift key for a capital
letter. And using that shift key should not slow you down at all. You've
become lazy.

[Bruce]

He may be lazy with the Shift (capital S, please) key, but he makes up
for it by typing 2 spaces after a period. Oh, you do too. I'm told
it's a thing of baby boomer Americans.

[jmcquown]

He's trolling, per usual.

Jill

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

Probably so. I like the 2 spaces after a period; it keeps the sentences from
looking jammed together. The period is the break between the sentence and the
2 spaces is also a visual break; at least it is to me.

By the way, shift on my keyboard is spelled with a lowercase s, as is the e in
enter, and t in tab. Ctrl, fn, and alt all begin with lowercase letters. I
did write it as Ctrl as it was used as the beginning of a sentence.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

Yeah, but I had to inform him that _my_ keyboard letters are not capitalized
as his most likely are.

[GM]

It's called "posting à la tert", Joan...

;-)

And per your Chromebook small keyboard comment, yeah, I love my Acer CB, but it is a small keyboard...I only really use it when I'm travelling around for business (fits perfectly in my backpack)...drives me nutz for daily use...

--
Best
Greg

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Saturday, June 15, 2019 at 3:18:37 PM UTC-5, GM wrote:
>
> And per your Chromebook small keyboard comment, yeah, I love my Acer CB, but it is a small keyboard...I only really use it when I'm travelling around for business (fits perfectly in my backpack)...drives me nutz for daily use...
>
> --
> Best
> Greg
>

I bought my Chromebook just 2 or 3 months after they came out on the market.
$250 is what I paid for it and last year I got an online notice I needed to
upgrade they are no longer making upgrades to the system of the one I have.
It has helped me diagnose a weird full-size laptop problem in the past and
a time or two when my wireless connection simply died.

[Bruce]

On Sat, 15 Jun 2019 13:14:34 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"

<itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:

>On Saturday, June 15, 2019 at 2:55:01 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, 15 Jun 2019 12:51:45 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
>> <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>>
>> He may be lazy with the Shift (capital S, please) key, but he makes up
>> for it by typing 2 spaces after a period. Oh, you do too. I'm told
>> it's a thing of baby boomer Americans.
>>
>Probably so. I like the 2 spaces after a period; it keeps the sentences from
>looking jammed together. The period is the break between the sentence and the
>2 spaces is also a visual break; at least it is to me.
>
>By the way, shift on my keyboard is spelled with a lowercase s, as is the e in
>enter, and t in tab. Ctrl, fn, and alt all begin with lowercase letters. I
>did write it as Ctrl as it was used as the beginning of a sentence.

No worries.

[Bruce]

On Sat, 15 Jun 2019 13:16:12 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"

<itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:

>On Saturday, June 15, 2019 at 3:09:39 PM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> On 6/15/2019 3:51 PM, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
>>
>> > On Saturday, June 15, 2019 at 2:40:20 PM UTC-5, A Moose in Love wrote:
>> >>
>> >> i took typing. i'm male, and it was back around 1970 -- 1972. the gal teachers were pretty good.
>> >>
>> > Ok. Then there's no excuse for you to not use your shift key for a capital
>> > letter. And using that shift key should not slow you down at all. You've
>> > become lazy.
>> >
>> He's trolling, per usual.
>>
>> Jill
>>
>Yeah, but I had to inform him that _my_ keyboard letters are not capitalized
>as his most likely are.

Was Jill referring to me? She quoted Joan and Moose.

[Hank Rogers]

I still remember those old sperry univac machines and those damn
Hollerith punch cards. And waiting for those noisy line printers to
give us the huge wide printouts. If you wrote a "hello world"
program, you get enough paper to build a homeless shelter :)


Oh shit, there's an error in my FORTRAN program! Gotta do it all
over again!

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 6/15/2019 3:54 PM, Bruce wrote:

>
> He may be lazy with the Shift (capital S, please) key, but he makes up
> for it by typing 2 spaces after a period. Oh, you do too. I'm told
> it's a thing of baby boomer Americans.
>

Yes, we were taught that when I went to school. I had typing in 1962/63
on Royal typewriters. A double line space for paragraphs too.

[Bruce]

The French often use (or used) a space before a ! or a ?. Know what I
mean ?

I guess we all have something.

[Hank Rogers]

itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
> On Saturday, June 15, 2019 at 3:09:39 PM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> On 6/15/2019 3:51 PM, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
>>
>>> On Saturday, June 15, 2019 at 2:40:20 PM UTC-5, A Moose in Love wrote:
>>>>
>>>> i took typing. i'm male, and it was back around 1970 -- 1972. the gal teachers were pretty good.
>>>>
>>> Ok. Then there's no excuse for you to not use your shift key for a capital
>>> letter. And using that shift key should not slow you down at all. You've
>>> become lazy.
>>>
>> He's trolling, per usual.
>>
>> Jill
>>
> Yeah, but I had to inform him that _my_ keyboard letters are not capitalized
> as his most likely are.
>

She's unlucky in love. Lost popeye, Druce, no telling how many others.

No problem, I did hope she would make a coital connection with the
horny Popeye, but it was not to be.

She's a very nice lady, but destined to be forever a spinster.

I like her.

[Bruce]

On Sat, 15 Jun 2019 17:45:57 -0500, Hank Rogers <nos...@invalid.org>
wrote:

That being the case, maybe you can solve the problem?

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Saturday, June 15, 2019 at 5:46:03 PM UTC-5, Hank Rogers wrote:
>
> She's a very nice lady, but destined to be forever a spinster.
>
> I like her.
>

Unless I am mistaken, Jill has been married in the past and yes, I like her,
too.

[Bruce]

She's judgmental and old for her age. It's also cowardly to killfile
someone and then bitch about them.

Other than that she's a great little McBiddy!

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Saturday, June 15, 2019 at 6:15:51 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>
> She's judgmental and old for her age. It's also cowardly to killfile
> someone and then bitch about them.
>

<eye roll>

[jmcquown]

Uh... thanks but what does my dumping a loser and choosing not to
remarry have to do with anything?

Jill

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

You'll have to ask Hank and Bruce to explain their comments.

[jmcquown]

The judgemental nymshifter calls me cowardly. LOL

Jill

[Hank Rogers]

What happened? Did someone eat an animal and let it slip to Druce?

Damn. I knew this would happen.

[Hank Rogers]

Absolutely nothing wrong! It is far better to be alone than involved
with someone that you abhor.

Too many people judge themselves, and others, based on social
connections. Not being married is OK.

[jmcquown]

On 6/15/2019 3:36 PM, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
> On Saturday, June 15, 2019 at 10:19:42 AM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> On 6/14/2019 5:00 PM, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
>>
>>> On Friday, June 14, 2019 at 2:35:24 PM UTC-5, A Moose in Love wrote:
>>>>
>>>> i have no problem typing on the laptop keyboard. however, i don't use caps on the laptop because it does slow me down.
>>>>
>>> You didn't take touch typing while in high school?
>>>
>> LOL, Joan. Don't know about you but when I was in high school the only
>> boys who took typing did so because the class was filled with girls.
>> They didn't actually care about learning to type.
>>
> I don't recall a single boy in either of my typing classes. They were taking
> wood working and drafting classes which I don't think are even offered now
> days in schools.

IIRC there was a woodshop class, and electronics. A couple of boys
braved the typing classes at my school. They didn't stick with it and
they weren't there to learn how to type.

>> Personal computers weren't even a gleam in someone's eye back then.
>> Laptop computers, what's that? ;) Having said that, you don't have to
>> type on the laptop keyboard. I've always used a separate keyboard.
>>
>> Jill
>>
> Naw, at that time computers would fill a room;

A very *cold* room, at that! Hell, when I went to college they were
still teaching programming on punch cards.

> definitely nothing like we have
> today. But I like the keyboard of this laptop; well spaced keys and they
> feel like keys. It's other functions of this Asus I'm not thrilled about
> but it will do.
>

I'm glad you like yours! To me, it's about comfort. My desk has a
pull-out keyboard tray. I sit back in a comfy desk chair when I'm
reading and typing. The keyboard is lower than the laptop keyboard.
Much more comfortable. I can easily adjust distance between keyboard
and the screen. Not so easy to do when using the laptop keyboard. Heh.

Jill

[Bruce]

On Sat, 15 Jun 2019 20:06:15 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

But you can defend yourself and I'll read it, because I haven't
killfiled you. That's the difference.

[Bruce]

On Sat, 15 Jun 2019 17:05:22 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"

<itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:

>On Saturday, June 15, 2019 at 6:41:47 PM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> On 6/15/2019 7:05 PM, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
>>
>> > On Saturday, June 15, 2019 at 5:46:03 PM UTC-5, Hank Rogers wrote:
>> >>
>> >> She's a very nice lady, but destined to be forever a spinster.
>> >>
>> >> I like her.
>> >>
>> > Unless I am mistaken, Jill has been married in the past and yes, I like her,
>> > too.
>> >
>> Uh... thanks but what does my dumping a loser and choosing not to
>> remarry have to do with anything?
>>
>> Jill
>>
>You'll have to ask Hank and Bruce to explain their comments.

I didn't say anything about McBiddy's marital life or end thereof.

[Bruce]

On Sat, 15 Jun 2019 19:39:10 -0500, Hank Rogers <nos...@invalid.org>
wrote:

In the meantime, we can conclude that McBiddy married a loser.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Saturday, June 15, 2019 at 7:54:30 PM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
>
> > I like the keyboard of this laptop; well spaced keys and they
> > feel like keys. It's other functions of this Asus I'm not thrilled about
> > but it will do.
> >
> I'm glad you like yours! To me, it's about comfort. My desk has a
> pull-out keyboard tray. I sit back in a comfy desk chair when I'm
> reading and typing. The keyboard is lower than the laptop keyboard.
> Much more comfortable. I can easily adjust distance between keyboard
> and the screen. Not so easy to do when using the laptop keyboard. Heh.
>
> Jill
>

Here's what I use and it can be tilted for either a leftie or a right-handed
person. I like it that I can use it either in a recliner on lazing/lounging
on the couch. I also like the stops on the table portion so the laptop
doesn't decide to slide off onto the floor.

https://i.postimg.cc/WpHhvsc7/Laptop-Stand.jpg

[Hank Rogers]

Drucilla is gonna be pissed if yoose don't get that bean pot scrubbed.

[Bruce]

On Sat, 15 Jun 2019 20:48:34 -0500, Hank Rogers <nos...@invalid.org>

You better make sure Hankzella doesn't find out how much time you
spend thinking of Sheldon.

[jmcquown]

Okay, totally different setup from mine. I have a small desk with a
lamp and shelves off to the side where I have pens and notebooks. Paper
for the printer. A place for a glass of something to drink on the left
on top of the desk. On the other side a small Brookstone battery
operated clock (it was a gift and I love it!) and a lamp. I sit back in
a comfy chair with good lumbar support.

Jill

[Leonard Blaisdell]

In article <SeeNE.7740$Fk3....@fx21.iad>, Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.xxx>
wrote:

It's a small world. I took typing in 1962/63. I started with a Royal
but ended with a IBM Selectric. Our school upgraded for the second half
of the year. The best I got for grading was 45 wpm. The best I could do
without pressure was 60 wpm. No numbers.
I suck on iDevices and refuse to misspell or shorten when messaging.
That makes my wpm pathetic nowadays. I can use Siri to message on my
iDevices, and she's way faster and more accurate than I am. I just have
to enunciate properly. So, that's a problem.

leo

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Saturday, June 15, 2019 at 3:55:01 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Jun 2019 12:51:45 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"

> <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>
> >On Saturday, June 15, 2019 at 2:40:20 PM UTC-5, A Moose in Love wrote:
> >>
> >> i took typing. i'm male, and it was back around 1970 -- 1972. the gal teachers were pretty good.
> >>
> >Ok. Then there's no excuse for you to not use your shift key for a capital
> >letter. And using that shift key should not slow you down at all. You've
> >become lazy.
>

> He may be lazy with the Shift (capital S, please) key, but he makes up
> for it by typing 2 spaces after a period. Oh, you do too. I'm told
> it's a thing of baby boomer Americans.

It was the rule in typography up until the World Wide Web, which requires
a special character to display more than one consecutive space.

Cindy Hamilton

[Bruce]

On Sun, 16 Jun 2019 03:47:17 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
<angelica...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Saturday, June 15, 2019 at 3:55:01 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>> On Sat, 15 Jun 2019 12:51:45 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
>> <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>>
>> >On Saturday, June 15, 2019 at 2:40:20 PM UTC-5, A Moose in Love wrote:
>> >>
>> >> i took typing. i'm male, and it was back around 1970 -- 1972. the gal teachers were pretty good.
>> >>
>> >Ok. Then there's no excuse for you to not use your shift key for a capital
>> >letter. And using that shift key should not slow you down at all. You've
>> >become lazy.
>>
>> He may be lazy with the Shift (capital S, please) key, but he makes up
>> for it by typing 2 spaces after a period. Oh, you do too. I'm told
>> it's a thing of baby boomer Americans.
>
>It was the rule in typography

/in the US

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Saturday, June 15, 2019 at 6:13:35 PM UTC-4, Hank Rogers wrote:
> itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
> > On Saturday, June 15, 2019 at 10:19:42 AM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
> >>
> >> On 6/14/2019 5:00 PM, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Friday, June 14, 2019 at 2:35:24 PM UTC-5, A Moose in Love wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> i have no problem typing on the laptop keyboard. however, i don't use caps on the laptop because it does slow me down.
> >>>>
> >>> You didn't take touch typing while in high school?
> >>>
> >> LOL, Joan. Don't know about you but when I was in high school the only
> >> boys who took typing did so because the class was filled with girls.
> >> They didn't actually care about learning to type.
> >>
> > I don't recall a single boy in either of my typing classes. They were taking
> > wood working and drafting classes which I don't think are even offered now
> > days in schools.
> >>
> >> Personal computers weren't even a gleam in someone's eye back then.
> >> Laptop computers, what's that? ;) Having said that, you don't have to
> >> type on the laptop keyboard. I've always used a separate keyboard.
> >>
> >> Jill
> >>
> > Naw, at that time computers would fill a room; definitely nothing like we have
> > today. But I like the keyboard of this laptop; well spaced keys and they
> > feel like keys. It's other functions of this Asus I'm not thrilled about
> > but it will do.
> >
>
> I still remember those old sperry univac machines and those damn
> Hollerith punch cards.

I have one of those damn Hollerith punch cards as a decoration in
my cube at work. The younger programmers are amazed by it.

> And waiting for those noisy line printers to
> give us the huge wide printouts. If you wrote a "hello world"
> program, you get enough paper to build a homeless shelter :)
>
>
> Oh shit, there's an error in my FORTRAN program! Gotta do it all
> over again!

And then submit your card deck at the input window.

Cindy Hamilton

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Sunday, June 16, 2019 at 6:49:51 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Jun 2019 03:47:17 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> <angelica...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >On Saturday, June 15, 2019 at 3:55:01 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> >> On Sat, 15 Jun 2019 12:51:45 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
> >> <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Saturday, June 15, 2019 at 2:40:20 PM UTC-5, A Moose in Love wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> i took typing. i'm male, and it was back around 1970 -- 1972. the gal teachers were pretty good.
> >> >>
> >> >Ok. Then there's no excuse for you to not use your shift key for a capital
> >> >letter. And using that shift key should not slow you down at all. You've
> >> >become lazy.
> >>
> >> He may be lazy with the Shift (capital S, please) key, but he makes up
> >> for it by typing 2 spaces after a period. Oh, you do too. I'm told
> >> it's a thing of baby boomer Americans.
> >
> >It was the rule in typography
>
> /in the US

Possibly in the UK as well. I poked around a bit to see what facsimile
British editions of works like Sherlock Holmes looked like. With justified
text, it's a little difficult to be sure, but there seemed to be extra space
after a period.

> >up until the World Wide Web, which requires
> >a special character to display more than one consecutive space.

Cindy Hamilton

[Bruce]

On Sun, 16 Jun 2019 04:27:29 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton

<angelica...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, June 16, 2019 at 6:49:51 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>> On Sun, 16 Jun 2019 03:47:17 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>> <angelica...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Saturday, June 15, 2019 at 3:55:01 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 15 Jun 2019 12:51:45 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
>> >> <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Saturday, June 15, 2019 at 2:40:20 PM UTC-5, A Moose in Love wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> i took typing. i'm male, and it was back around 1970 -- 1972. the gal teachers were pretty good.
>> >> >>
>> >> >Ok. Then there's no excuse for you to not use your shift key for a capital
>> >> >letter. And using that shift key should not slow you down at all. You've
>> >> >become lazy.
>> >>
>> >> He may be lazy with the Shift (capital S, please) key, but he makes up
>> >> for it by typing 2 spaces after a period. Oh, you do too. I'm told
>> >> it's a thing of baby boomer Americans.
>> >
>> >It was the rule in typography
>>
>> /in the US
>
>Possibly in the UK as well. I poked around a bit to see what facsimile
>British editions of works like Sherlock Holmes looked like. With justified
>text, it's a little difficult to be sure, but there seemed to be extra space
>after a period.

Ok, 2 countries.

[Gary]

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> jmcquown wrote:
> > It's a matter of opinion. I'm not a fatso but I can't stand typing on a
> > laptop keyboard.
> >
> > Jill
>
> I hate it too. I can type 90 wpm on a real keyboard and about 9 wpm on
> a laptop keyboard.

Have you ever figured out why though?

After getting questioned on the tiny keyboard comment, I measure
the 2 keyboards.

From the left side of the caps lock key to the right side of the
enter key is 11", both on laptop and on a separate keyboard. So
why do we have problems with it? I sure do though.

[Gary]

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> I have one of those damn Hollerith punch cards as a decoration in
> my cube at work. The younger programmers are amazed by it.

I learned how to use them in a college class but long after they
were old news. Just a quick history of computers lesson. We had a
test on using them, just 'pencil in' the proper places. That
school did still have a keypunch machine. I saved a small stack
of those just for souvenirs.

I sent my father a happy birthday greeting using one of those
just as a novelty birthday card. I DID have to tell him what it
said.

[Cindy Hamilton]

The two most popular styles of keyboard are chiclet keyboard and
mechanical keyboard.

<https://www.techconsumerguide.com/chiclet-keyboard-vs-mechanical-keyboard/>

For some reason, probably because I learned to type on an old Smith-Corona
mechanical typewriter, my fingers just do better with a mechanical
keyboard. When I use a chiclet, I'm prone to double-tapping or hitting
the adjacent key. There's just not enough feedback for me.

Cindy Hamilton

[Gary]

That's definitely a factor for me too. I also learned on a Smith
Corona electric typewriter. I never took typing in school but
years later bought the typewriter and a "how to type" book.

My favorite keyboard came with my first IBM computer. Those keys
clicked every time you used them. I liked that.

True though, I like the full press keyboards even though they
don't click. The "Chicklet" laptop keys are weird. Also...on a
regular keyboard, my little finger that sits on the "A" key
rarely moves over to accidently press the "Caps Lock" key but on
a laptop keyboard it happens way too often.

This is why I assumed they were smaller but evidently not.
Of course, the right side of keyboard is condensed more.

So anyway, once I get this new annoying laptop up and running, it
should replace all my old ones. Would be really nice to have an
"all in one" computer again. But I will add a separate keyboard
and mouse to it.

[A Moose in Love]

typing is like riding a bike. you retain it. after high school i didn't type again until over 10 years later, and it came back pretty quick like.

[Dave Smith]

I remember using those things at university. They were the latest and
greatest in computer technology. The data would be entered on cards and
you would run them through the machine and it would sort them out.
Data for one sample would often take a whole box of cards. You had to be
careful with the cards. It sounds pretty primitive by today's standards
but as far as data processing goes it was then equivalent of advancing
from an abacus to a pocket calculator.

[Julian Macassey]

On Sun, 16 Jun 2019 09:49:26 -0400, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:
>
> My favorite keyboard came with my first IBM computer. Those keys
> clicked every time you used them. I liked that.

That would be an IBM Model M. I own 10 of them.

They are a pleasure to use. They are also rugged, so rugged that
after you have beaten someone to death with one, you can wipe it off and
write their obituary wth it.


--
"We used to quip that "password" is the most common password. Now it's
'password1. ' Who said users haven't learned anything about security?"
-- Bruce Schneier

[Gary]

Julian Macassey wrote:
>
> On Sun, 16 Jun 2019 09:49:26 -0400, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:
> >
> > My favorite keyboard came with my first IBM computer. Those keys
> > clicked every time you used them. I liked that.
>
> That would be an IBM Model M. I own 10 of them.
>
> They are a pleasure to use. They are also rugged, so rugged that
> after you have beaten someone to death with one, you can wipe it off and
> write their obituary wth it.

I wish I had bought several as backups back then. I killed mine
by knocking a tall wine cooler over and right onto it. EOK (end
of keyboard). You can't just wash one off and let it dry totally
like some other electronics. Get a keyboard wet and that's the
end of it.

[Cindy Hamilton]

Your laptop likely doesn't have a PS/2 port on it. Of course, there
are adapters.

Cindy Hamilton

[Gary]

Gary wrote:
>
> I wish I had bought several as backups back then. I killed mine
> by knocking a tall wine cooler over and right onto it. EOK (end
> of keyboard). You can't just wash one off and let it dry totally
> like some other electronics. Get a keyboard wet and that's the
> end of it.

Here's a Dave-type story from way back.
One sunday, I bought a brand new 19" tv.
The giant ones not the flat new ones.
Worked perfectly, natually.

Just a few days later, my very young daughter came home with some
flowers that she picked nearby so I put them in a vase with water
and stupidly set that on top of the new tv.

Next morning or so, I got up early morning and was fixing
breakfast for daughter before waking her up for school. Nice
quite place.

All of the sudden, my tv came on at FULL VOLUME. WTF? So I ran
into the living room to see my cat running off and saw the vase
knocked over. Cat jumped up to check out the flowers, knocked
over the vase and all the water ran right into the vents of the
tv. Shorted out something and turn it on loud.

No controls worked. I had to unplug it. Die, Mr.Kitty but he was
long gone and hiding out. lol

After work, I put the tv on a bedroom dresser and put a fan
blowing into the vents. I left it like that for 3 days to
completely dry out. Once I plugged it in again, it worked
perfectly and for about 15 more years. whew!

[Cindy Hamilton]

You inspired me to poke around a little bit. Although one space now seems
to be the accepted norm, it might yield lowered readability:

<https://link.springer.com/article/10.3758%2Fs13414-018-1527-6>

Cindy Hamilton

[Gary]

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> Your laptop likely doesn't have a PS/2 port on it. Of course, there
> are adapters.

If you are talking about adding keyboard and mouse. I do have
extra usb ports for usb additions or I could also use wireless
one or the other, or both.

This one has 3 usb ports. I only need to keep one free for
various things.

Wondering? Here's exactly what I have. A cheap one but it seems
to have all I will need.

Hp 15 laptop pc
Windows10 home version
15.6 screen
wifi and bluetooth
intel celeron processor
500 gb hard drive
4 gb system memory
dwd-writer
webcam/camera

That my new one that I've avoided since I bought it. Just a pain
to start over learning new op system and other things.

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Sunday, June 16, 2019 at 11:05:16 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >
> > Your laptop likely doesn't have a PS/2 port on it. Of course, there
> > are adapters.
>
> If you are talking about adding keyboard and mouse. I do have
> extra usb ports for usb additions or I could also use wireless
> one or the other, or both.

I was talking about adding an IBM Model M keyboard, since you posted this:

> > > I wish I had bought several as backups back then.

Cindy Hamilton

[Gary]

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> I was talking about adding an IBM Model M keyboard, since you posted this:
>
> > > > I wish I had bought several as backups back then.

Oh ok. I've never considered that they might still be available
but I haven't looked either. That said, even a new normal
keyboard is fine with me now. I'm long over liking the clicks on
those old ones.

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 6/16/2019 10:47 AM, Gary wrote:

> Here's a Dave-type story from way back.
> One sunday, I bought a brand new 19" tv.
> The giant ones not the flat new ones.
> Worked perfectly, natually.
>
> Just a few days later, my very young daughter came home with some
> flowers that she picked nearby so I put them in a vase with water
> and stupidly set that on top of the new tv.
>
> Next morning or so, I got up early morning and was fixing
> breakfast for daughter before waking her up for school. Nice
> quite place.
>
> All of the sudden, my tv came on at FULL VOLUME. WTF? So I ran
> into the living room to see my cat running off and saw the vase
> knocked over. Cat jumped up to check out the flowers, knocked
> over the vase and all the water ran right into the vents of the
> tv. Shorted out something and turn it on loud.

Ah, the evolution of the TV. With a brand new one, yes, very upsetting.
If it was already 15 years old it would be a good opportunity to trade
up to the latest.

When we got married in 1966 we had a 19" portable, black and white as
color was very expensive. Ten years later it dies and we got color.
Wow, that was thrilling. We moved about 6 years later and bought a 27"
consul with a remote. Life sure was good with such luxury. That died
and I bought a 34" HD TV. It had a CRT as flat screen at the time were
too expensive and it weighed 185 pounds! A nearby lightning strike got
me a 47" flat screen. That is now in the bedroom and a 55" is in the
living room.

[Bruce]

On Sun, 16 Jun 2019 07:55:29 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton

I think I only sometimes see it in American manuals etc. It's probably
dying out.

[Hank Rogers]

Most of those simple, cheap mechanical adapters won't work on just
any old keyboard. The keyboard's internal electronics must also
support the format being adapted. If the keyboard didn't originally
come with an adapter supplied, it is unlikely that an adapter will work.

I think there are "converters" though. These are a little bit bigger
than the tiny plug adapters, and contain the electronics to convert
signals from the keyboard's type into the desired type signal.

[penm...@aol.com]

On Sat, 15 Jun 2019 22:39:14 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

>a comfy chair with good lumbar support and 4 liters of box wine.
>
>Jill