Lunch today

[Lucretia Borgia]

Fresh from pot to stove!

https://i.postimg.cc/s2PjfBx5/IMG-2703.jpg

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Sunday, January 3, 2021 at 9:39:15 AM UTC-5, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> Fresh from pot to stove!
>
> https://i.postimg.cc/s2PjfBx5/IMG-2703.jpg

Nice.

I think it'll be vegetable soup, a bit of cheese, and a slice of bread for me.

After I shoveled some heavy, wet snow off the driveway, we had a spirited
argument about whether I'm risking a heart attack and whether the rest of
the snow would melt away (36 F and cloudy today although it's pretty bright
out; 33 and partly sunny tomorrow). I was on the "it will melt" side, and he's
out there with the snowblower finishing the job.

I figure if I get some of the asphalt cleared, thermodynamics will take us
the rest of the way if the temperature is anywhere near freezing.

Cindy Hamilton

[GM]

Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> Fresh from pot to stove!
>
> https://i.postimg.cc/s2PjfBx5/IMG-2703.jpg

Lovely...!!!

--
Best
Greg

[Gary]

On 1/3/2021 9:39 AM, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> Fresh from pot to stove!
>
> https://i.postimg.cc/s2PjfBx5/IMG-2703.jpg
>

Is that all for you? Whatta piggie! ;)

[Master Bruce]

She's giving half of that to a bum in the street. That's how Lucretia
rolls.

[cshenk]

Could be a case of have to cook them quickly.

Like local crabbing Gary, you can't keep them in a cooler very long so
if she had good luck with the pots, might cook them all up then freeze
excess.

For others who may be curious:
<https://mrc.virginia.gov/Regulations/VA-recreational-crabbing-rules.shtm>

Technically some types are open now but for the most part, we are off
crabbing season.

Folks are pretty good about the limits so we have lots of the local
smaller blue crabs.

[Leo]

On 2021 Jan 3, , cshenk wrote
(in article<XOWdnc_VSMzksW_C...@giganews.com>):

> Folks are pretty good about the limits so we have lots of the local
> smaller blue crabs.

Out West, my preferred crab is fresh Dungeness. They´re best bought in
months with an R in it. One crab feeds one person. They´re sold whole, so
cleaning, cracking and picking them apart is an adventure best done with a
bib.

[Lucretia Borgia]

On Mon, 04 Jan 2021 02:17:14 -0800, Leo <leobla...@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:

I love Dungeness crabs, once nearly bought one online express delivery
(we don't have them round our coastline) then felt it was excessive to
spend that much on a single meal :( To me, they are the only crabs
worth eating.

[Gary]

On 1/4/2021 7:32 AM, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>
> I love Dungeness crabs, once nearly bought one online express delivery
> (we don't have them round our coastline) then felt it was excessive to
> spend that much on a single meal :( To me, they are the only crabs
> worth eating.

Sounds like you've just never tried the other kinds of crabs.

[Ed Pawlowski]

We were warned against them in high school and told how to avoid them.

[Dave Smith]

Blue Ointment
For the crabs disappointment.

[Lucretia Borgia]

I have, I would rate them good, just not as good as Dungeness, mostly
because there is so much to eat in them.

[Sheldon Martin]

On Mon, 4 Jan 2021 Gary wrote:

ALL crabs eat shit and I don't eat shit eaters.
ALL catfish eat shit and I don't eat catfish either.

[Master Bruce]

On Mon, 04 Jan 2021 15:02:13 -0500, Sheldon Martin <penm...@aol.com>
wrote:

You may not eat it, but you talk it a lot.

[US Janet]

On Mon, 04 Jan 2021 15:02:13 -0500, Sheldon Martin <penm...@aol.com>
wrote:

every animal that grazes eats poop. Every animal they graze with
poops on the ground and the rest of the animals eat the grass around
and on top of the poop.
Coprophagia
Coprophagia occurs when feces is consumed. The mere thought of this
type of behavior is rather unsettling to most people, but some
animals, such as rabbits, actually eat their own feces for a very good
reason.
Janet US

[GM]

US Janet wrote:

> Coprophagia occurs when feces is consumed. The mere thought of this
> type of behavior is rather unsettling to most people, but some
> animals, such as rabbits, actually eat their own feces for a very good
> reason.

There is a poster or so here who "consumes feces", lol...

--
Best
Greg

[jmcquown]

On 1/4/2021 10:06 AM, Gary wrote:

What would you recommend? Dungeness is excellent, albeit nearly
impossible to find for sale where I live now and definitely not fresh. I
wouldn't have ordered online express delivery, either. It could well
have been a disappointment.

I occasionally see Dungeness pre-cooked (from frozen) in the grocery
store seafood case. I glanced at them once. About $32 per pound for an
already cooked crab. No thanks. I'll just remember how nice they were
when I had some Dungeness at a restaurant.

It's hard to find any west coast crab on this side of the country.
Ditto when I lived in land-locked west TN. No Dungeness, King, or the
smaller generic called "Alaskan" crab (legs, claws). They were shipped
in. Cold water crab from way up on the west coast are definitely better
tasting than any east coast crab. Bigger, too. YMMV. :) I'm thinking
drawn butter and cracking crab legs and claws and dipping. Not picking
little bits out of blue crab.

Jill

[John Kuthe]

I found as a child that the lower it swims, the better it tastes!

I love crabs and catfish! Always have.


John Kuthe, RN, BSN...

[jmcquown]

Yes, we know. Also lobsters can live for hundreds of years. Yes, some
of them can.

Lobster fishing provided a livelihood (and still does) for generations
of families who make their living fishing and trapping lobster in cold
water areas. There are islands in the North Atlantic where people make
their living from it. These days there are rules about
fishing/numbering of traps and the sizes of lobsters that can be sold.
Females have to be thrown back. Immature lobsters have to be thrown
back. They throw back very old lobsters.

Sounds like you really don't enjoy seafood. That's okay. You do
realize once the fish or seafood gets to you at the supermarket it's
been cleaned, right? Good and well cleaned fish and/or seafood doesn't
taste like shit, regardless of what it eats when it is alive.

What do you think those clams you like in chowder are eating while
sitting at the bottom of the sea? I think there's some fish poop
floating among that algae as they suck the water and nutrients in and
out. LOL

Jill

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 1/5/2021 8:11 PM, jmcquown wrote:

>
> I occasionally see Dungeness pre-cooked (from frozen) in the grocery
> store seafood case.  I glanced at them once.  About $32 per pound for an
> already cooked crab.  No thanks.  I'll just remember how nice they were
> when I had some Dungeness at a restaurant.
>
> It's hard to find any west coast crab on this side of the country. Ditto
> when I lived in land-locked west TN.  No Dungeness, King, or the smaller
> generic called "Alaskan" crab (legs, claws).  They were shipped in.
> Cold water crab from way up on the west coast are definitely better
> tasting than any east coast crab.  Bigger, too.  YMMV. :)  I'm thinking
> drawn butter and cracking crab legs and claws and dipping.  Not picking
> little bits out of blue crab.
>
> Jill

Dungeness crab is for a meal Blue crabs are for a social event. We
used to catch them in the Delaware Bay early in the day. Bring them
home to cook, invite a couple of close friends or family. Spread
newspaper on the picnic table and start opening them. The adults of
course, washed them down with cold beer.

[Lucretia Borgia]

In Devon in the UK they had Dungeness crabs and you could buy it in
the market already cooked, cleaned and served rather like meat loaf.
When they packed it in the pan they filled the centre with roe and
coloured meat and the white surrounding it. It looked attractive and
was a lovely, lazy way to eat it. You purchased it by the slice.

[Sheldon Martin]

Crabs and catfish are the Shit Eaters Of The Sea.

[Gary]

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> Dungeness crab is for a meal Blue crabs are for a social event. We
> used to catch them in the Delaware Bay early in the day. Bring them
> home to cook, invite a couple of close friends or family. Spread
> newspaper on the picnic table and start opening them. The adults of
> course, washed them down with cold beer.

One should never wash down a good meal with beer.
Also...you steamed those crabs live so you had a mess when eating them?
That's about as evil as it gets...steaming live crabs.

[Dave Smith]

What beverage would be appropriate to have with a meal?
Milk, sickening sweet soda pop, artificially flavoured "juice",lemonade,
coffee or tea????

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 12:05:14 PM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > Dungeness crab is for a meal Blue crabs are for a social event. We
> > used to catch them in the Delaware Bay early in the day. Bring them
> > home to cook, invite a couple of close friends or family. Spread
> > newspaper on the picnic table and start opening them. The adults of
> > course, washed them down with cold beer.
> One should never wash down a good meal with beer.

You should never wash down a good meal with beer.

You should also stop telling people what they shouldn't drink.

Cindy Hamilton

[Master Bruce]

He doesn't drink beer or wine with his dinner because he can't part
with the money that costs. And then he turns that into a higher kind
of rule.

[Hank Rogers]

But on land, yoose the king Popeye!

[tert in seattle]

whether intentional or not, Gary is an accomplished troll

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 11:37:55 AM UTC-6, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> What beverage would be appropriate to have with a meal?
> Milk, sickening sweet soda pop, artificially flavoured "juice",lemonade,
> coffee or tea????
>

I'm a fan of just plain water myself.

[jmcquown]

On 1/6/2021 12:05 PM, Gary wrote:
> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> Dungeness crab is for a meal  Blue crabs are for a social event.  We
>> used to catch them in the Delaware Bay early in the day.  Bring them
>> home to cook, invite a couple of close friends or family.  Spread
>> newspaper on the picnic table and start opening them.  The adults of
>> course, washed them down with cold beer.
>
> One should never wash down a good meal with beer.

If I was boiling the crab I'd have added beer to the water along with
crab boil seasonings.

> Also...you steamed those crabs live so you had a mess when eating them?
> That's about as evil as it gets...steaming live crabs.
>

I must have missed where he said he steamed them. Boiled, steamed,
doesn't matter. What would you expect him to do? Surely you know
freshly caught crab is cooked alive.

Then there's the crab picking and cracking at the table with the
newspaper over the table cloth on the picnic table. This is akin to the
way they used to make and serve Frogmore Stew down here in SC. A bucket
nearby for the crab shells.

I'm sure drinking beer is optional but it really should be included in
the water for boiling blue crabs. :)

Jill

[jmcquown]

Water is good. I like it cold, so ice water. :)

Jill

[Ophelia]

"Gary" wrote in message news:rt4qk3$t3g$4...@dont-email.me...

====

:((((((

[Gary]

tert in seattle wrote:

> Cindy writes:

>> Gary wrote:
>>> One should never wash down a good meal with beer.

>> You should also stop telling people what they shouldn't drink.

I just state my personal preference. Obviously I don't care what others
drink. You just like to nitpick and argue everything with everyone.

> whether intentional or not, Gary is an accomplished troll

Thank you, Tert (I think) :)

[Gary]

Same with me. Just plain water with meals. A good neutral drink to go
with good food. I like mine cold but not ice cold.

[Gary]

jmcquown wrote:
> What would you recommend? Dungeness is excellent, albeit nearly
> impossible to find for sale where I live now and definitely not fresh. I
> wouldn't have ordered online express delivery, either. It could well
> have been a disappointment.

Depending on where you live, crabs can be fresh if local or they come
frozen from other areas. Not a thing wrong with fresh killed and
immediately frozen crabs.

>
> I occasionally see Dungeness pre-cooked (from frozen) in the grocery
> store seafood case. I glanced at them once. About $32 per pound for an
> already cooked crab. No thanks.

I've never seen Dungeness for that price, only Alaskan king crab.
If you buy from a grocery store they always come frozen then they open
some and put into the showcase on ice. Don't buy those. Ask them for a
bag of frozen to thaw at your own leisure.

> I'll just remember how nice they were
> when I had some Dungeness at a restaurant.

Even restaurants serve previously frozen for some. Alaskan King crab and
the Opelia crabs (aka snow crabs) and often even Dungeness.

>
> It's hard to find any west coast crab on this side of the country. Ditto
> when I lived in land-locked west TN. No Dungeness, King, or the smaller
> generic called "Alaskan" crab (legs, claws). They were shipped in.
> Cold water crab from way up on the west coast are definitely better
> tasting than any east coast crab. Bigger, too. YMMV. :)

Bigger, yes, but not necessarily better tasting.

> I'm thinking
> drawn butter and cracking crab legs and claws and dipping. Not picking
> little bits out of blue crab.

The blue crab is nothing to shun. Very tasty but you're just too lazy to
pick them. And that's the one crab that you could catch, kill and eat
fresh often. You buy canned crabs

[Gary]

jmcquown wrote:
> If I was boiling the crab I'd have added beer to the water along with
> crab boil seasonings.

You should try 50/50 water and vinegar (plus Old Bay seasoning)
Good for crab and shrimp. But you don't like shrimp.

>
>> Also...you steamed those crabs live so you had a mess when eating
>> them? That's about as evil as it gets...steaming live crabs.
>>
> I must have missed where he said he steamed them. Boiled, steamed,
> doesn't matter. What would you expect him to do? Surely you know
> freshly caught crab is cooked alive.

I found a better way. Told by local commercial crabbers in the area. I
start with still alive crabs and kill each one by hand. lol It's more
personal but it's more humane.

I kill and clean them right before cooking. This way, the seasoning goes
right on the meat and no mess to open and eat them later.

> I'm sure drinking beer is optional but it really should be included in
> the water for boiling blue crabs. :)

The water/vinegar mix is much better, imo. It adds a nice subtle tang to
the meat. Everyone should at least try it sometime. Save your beer to
drink before or after the meal.

[bruce bowser]

That's impossible: its instinct for women to order men not to drink alcohol.

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Thursday, January 7, 2021 at 7:47:00 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
> tert in seattle wrote:
>
> > Cindy writes:
> >> Gary wrote:
> >>> One should never wash down a good meal with beer.
> >> You should also stop telling people what they shouldn't drink.
> I just state my personal preference.

Then you should say "I never wash down a good meal with beer".
"One should" implies a unnamed other person. For example,
"One should never drive 100 mph in a residential area."

Cindy Hamilton

[Master Bruce]

Translation: it's cheap!

[Master Bruce]

If you corner him, he'll use his last line of defense: "I was only
teasing".

[Cindy Hamilton]

I usually drink plain water myself. I don't have the alcohol tolerance that I
used to, and I don't need those empty calories.

OTOH, I generally don't eat things that would be much improved by drinking
wine or beer with them. What do you pair with scrambled eggs and toast?

Cindy Hamilton

[Master Bruce]

Wine or beer. But that's my answer to all food, unless it's breakfast.

[S Viemeister]

A mimosa?

[GM]

Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> OTOH, I generally don't eat things that would be much improved by drinking
> wine or beer with them. What do you pair with scrambled eggs and toast?

A Bloody Mary, natch...!!!

--
Best
Greg

[Bryan Simmons]

Lightly mixed vodka drinks. Cranberry juice cocktail, grapefruit juice cocktail
or tomato juice mixed with decent, moderately priced vodka such as New
Amsterdam, Svedka or Finlandia. Another possibility is sangria.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

--Bryan

[Master Bruce]

Are you sure you're not a woman?

[Hank Rogers]

Master Bruce wrote:
> On Thu, 7 Jan 2021 10:52:07 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> <angelica...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, January 7, 2021 at 12:54:51 PM UTC-5, Master Bruce wrote:
>>> On Thu, 7 Jan 2021 07:47:48 -0500, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 1/6/2021 7:34 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>>> On 1/6/2021 4:59 PM, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
>>>>>> On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 11:37:55 AM UTC-6, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What beverage would be appropriate to have with a meal?
>>>>>>> Milk, sickening sweet soda pop, artificially flavoured "juice",lemonade,
>>>>>>> coffee or tea????
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm a fan of just plain water myself.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Water is good. I like it cold, so ice water. :)
>>>>
>>>> Same with me. Just plain water with meals. A good neutral drink to go
>>>> with good food.
>>> Translation: it's cheap!
>>
>> I usually drink plain water myself. I don't have the alcohol tolerance that I
>> used to, and I don't need those empty calories.
>>
>> OTOH, I generally don't eat things that would be much improved by drinking
>> wine or beer with them. What do you pair with scrambled eggs and toast?
>
> Wine or beer. But that's my answer to all food, unless it's breakfast.
>

Only because yoose too cheap to buy crystal palace.

[Hank Rogers]

Hell master, why not sniff him and see. Either way, you'll love it.

[tert in seattle]

coffee

[Bryan Simmons]

I like girly drinks, liquers and sweet wine, but I also like strong, hoppy beer.
I detest gin, dislike whisky, and don't even really like rum. I have nothing
against dry wine, as I have a big packet of sucralose.

--Bryan

[Master Bruce]

On Thu, 7 Jan 2021 14:21:56 -0800 (PST), Bryan Simmons

lol, yuck
>

[jmcquown]

Only if at brunch ;)

Jill

[jmcquown]

Milk

Jill

[Hank Rogers]

crystal palace and breast milk

Popeye

[cshenk]

Gary wrote:

> jmcquown wrote:
> > If I was boiling the crab I'd have added beer to the water along
> > with crab boil seasonings.
>
> You should try 50/50 water and vinegar (plus Old Bay seasoning)
> Good for crab and shrimp. But you don't like shrimp.
>
> >
> > > Also...you steamed those crabs live so you had a mess when eating
> > > them? That's about as evil as it gets...steaming live crabs.
> > >
> > I must have missed where he said he steamed them. Boiled, steamed,
> > doesn't matter. What would you expect him to do? Surely you know
> > freshly caught crab is cooked alive.
>
> I found a better way. Told by local commercial crabbers in the area.
> I start with still alive crabs and kill each one by hand. lol It's
> more personal but it's more humane.
>
> I kill and clean them right before cooking. This way, the seasoning
> goes right on the meat and no mess to open and eat them later.

Don 'piths' them just before cooking. He actually has a tool for it
that looks like a long thin sharpend nail on a wood handle.

<https://www.instructables.com/Live-Crab-How-To-Kill-Instantly-and-Human
ely-Cooki/>

That one is a lot bigger but same process only he just does the head
then steams them.

[Bryan Simmons]

I ate a grapefruit today with no added sweetener. I felt very Spartan.

--Bryan

[Master Bruce]

On Thu, 7 Jan 2021 18:33:32 -0800 (PST), Bryan Simmons

<bryang...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, January 7, 2021 at 4:23:44 PM UTC-6, Master Bruce wrote:
>> On Thu, 7 Jan 2021 14:21:56 -0800 (PST), Bryan Simmons
>> <bryang...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Thursday, January 7, 2021 at 1:55:13 PM UTC-6, Master Bruce wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 7 Jan 2021 11:40:35 -0800 (PST), Bryan Simmons
>> >> <bryang...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Lightly mixed vodka drinks. Cranberry juice cocktail, grapefruit juice cocktail
>> >> >or tomato juice mixed with decent, moderately priced vodka such as New
>> >> >Amsterdam, Svedka or Finlandia. Another possibility is sangria.
>> >
>> >> Are you sure you're not a woman?
>> >
>> >I like girly drinks, liquers and sweet wine, but I also like strong, hoppy beer.
>> >I detest gin, dislike whisky, and don't even really like rum. I have nothing
>> >against dry wine, as I have a big packet of sucralose.
>> >
>> lol, yuck
>> >
>I ate a grapefruit today with no added sweetener. I felt very Spartan.
>

Whereas I don't feel Spartan at all when I drink dry white wine
without sweetener. It's pure hedonism.
>

[Graham]

I perfer them that way.

[Graham]

So is a good Sauternes - with foie gras of course:-)

[Mike Duffy]

On Thu, 07 Jan 2021 14:38:25 -0600, Hank Rogers wrote:

> Master Bruce wrote:

>> Are you sure you're not a woman?

> Hell master, why not sniff him and see. Either way, you'll love it.

Do you remember, Hank, how pissed-off the two 'B' biddies were at us when
you asked for transparency regarding Drucilla's chromosome complement and
I remarked that the buff-sniffer posted text with a 'gay' accent?

I guess what's good for the Gruce isn't always good for the grander.

[Hank Rogers]

The master often commits the same infractions he has whined about a
few days earlier :)

[Cindy Hamilton]

I usually sprinkle them with salt.

Cindy Hamilton

[Gary]

That's a very odd method to kill live crabs, imo.

I rip off the shell (that kills them immediately), then run a finger
down the gut trench, and rip off the face. Very dead crab in less than 2
seconds. Finally, remove the apron on the bottom.

Season, then steam the batch. No messy eating when done.

[Gary]

Add a few hot peppers to that and you'll be Steve. lol

[Gary]

Bryan Simmons wrote:

> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> OTOH, I generally don't eat things that would be much improved by drinking
>> wine or beer with them. What do you pair with scrambled eggs and toast?

> Lightly mixed vodka drinks. Cranberry juice cocktail, grapefruit juice cocktail
> or tomato juice mixed with decent, moderately priced vodka such as New
> Amsterdam, Svedka or Finlandia. Another possibility is sangria.

No Bud Light? That would be a nice mild breakfast beverage.

[Bryan Simmons]

I don't drink pisswater beer. I would probably not drink any alcoholic beverage
with breakfast. Usually it's milk, icewater, milk with a little espresso added, or
even diet ginger ale. I was just answering the question as to what would *taste
good* with eggs and toast.

--Bryan

[Hank Rogers]

You are a beer connoisseur (and snob) But it reminds me ...

I remember back in the 1970's when president carter's brother billy
started selling his own brand of beer.

There was a joke:

Did you know billy beer won't be available?

No, what happened?

His horse died.

[cshenk]

It's humane and immediate.

[jmcquown]

Sounds horrific. I don't buy live crab. I haven't actually helped cook
any freshly caught blue crab since the late 1980's. I don't go looking
for live crabs.

The type of crab I prefer the *taste of* is definitely from the Pacific
northwest. Much colder water. Alaskan Snow crab claws and legs come up
from time to time at the seafood counter. For me, they are a very rare
treat. Of course they are already cooked and on ice. Can be served
cold but I prefer to steam them to heat them up a little.

Of course, I happen to have crab crackers and crab piks and I know how
to use a small crab fork to cut right down a crab leg and fold it back
to get to the meat.

Jill