To the appliance store again

[Dave Smith]

Why to appliances all die at the same time?
We had been having trouble with our washing machine occasionally
refusing to spin. Sometimes it helped to unplug it and let the computer
reset. Sometimes not. The repairman came to look at it and of course it
worked for him. He said it might be the door lock. He would order it.
When it came in he called to let us know but said if it was working
maybe we should not bother. A couple weeks later it acted up again. He
came and installed then new part and it worked. That was almost about
2-1/2 months ago. Last night it screwed up again.

Having spent over $600 in repairs in the last year and a half I didn't
see any point in another expensive repair. My wife never liked that
washer anyway. It was a front loader and needed frequent treatment for
the stink those things are subject to.

That's four major appliances I have had to buy since Christmas.
Hopefully I won't be needing any more appliances for a while.





On Christmas morning I did a load of laundry

[John Kuthe]

I HATE all that Tech Enabled CRAP!! The mechanicals work fine and the COMPUTER SCREWS UP!! :-(

Fucking COMPUTERS!! Not EVERYTHING needs a computer embedded in it! Like a THERMOSTAT!! All one needs is a bimetal strip! NOT to be able to be adjusted by your Smart Phone!!

OK, the sparky ignitors on an gas stove are nice, but how about NO MORE GAS STOVES? Just make 100% electric stoves HOT enough to cook English Toffee, OK?

John Kuthe, KutheChocolates.com...

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 at 11:53:59 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
> Why to appliances all die at the same time?

Just to piss you off.

Can you get one of these?

<https://www.speedqueen.com/products/top-load-washers.aspx>

Cindy Hamilton

[Dave Smith]

I looked at one of them. They sure ain't cheap.

[U.S. Janet B.]

It's the law of nature. I had the fridge, computer and food processor
all go within a week.

[Nancy2]

John, why do you have problems making English toffee on an electric stove? I make it every
year on my electric stove, and have no problems at all.

N.

[Nancy2]

I have a Whirlpool top loading washer (since 2010), and have had no trouble at all. It has an
extra large tub, and it wasn't very expensive...I got it at Lowe's because they were offering a
good price, a free haul-away of my old one, and a gift card. I would be really surprised if it had any kind
of computer in it...it has regular dials and nothing digital on the top. My dryer is also a
Whirlpool, bought at the same time.

Good luck!

N.

[dsi1]

At one time we had a dream of all Korean appliances. That has pretty much fallen by the wayside. I replaced our LG front loader washer with a Maytag top loader. I like it better in operation than the front loader and as an added bonus, the new washer cost about half of what the LG cost us. Just call me older and wiser. :)

[Cindy Hamilton]

No, they're not cheap, but they wear like iron and front-loaders
are even more expensive. My last Speed Queen was 17 when my
husband got tired of replacing belts and whatnot. Someone
with more fortitude is probably still using it.

Cindy Hamilton

[Dave Smith]

The old one was a Cosby, apparently made by Maytag. I wish I had known
that before I bought it. The new one is a Sumsung that was on sale... at
least that is the way it was being marketed. Thanks to my repeat
business they are dropped $50 off the delivery and no charge to take
away the old one. It is a top loader. They have a number of machines
with regular looking dials, but they are actually connected to
computerized controls, not mechanical switches. I had not realized that
newer washing machines no longer have those big agitators.

[dsi1]

Not only do they not have big agitators, they also use very little water during their wash cycles. It's a little shocking. My guess is that you can still get a machine that uses gallons and gallons of water. Just look for a machine that has an old style tall agitator.

[Terry Coombs]

  Well , you're not a stable genius ...

--
Snag
Yes , I'm old
and crochety - and armed .
Get outta my woods !

[tert in seattle]

adavid...@sympatico.ca writes:

>Having spent over $600 in repairs in the last year and a half I didn't
>see any point in another expensive repair. My wife never liked that
>washer anyway. It was a front loader and needed frequent treatment for
>the stink those things are subject to.

my front load washer doesn't smell because I leave the door open when
not in use, as directed - and I use the right amount of detergent

it'll be 13 years old this summer

[S Viemeister]

On 2/13/2019 4:15 PM, tert in seattle wrote:

> my front load washer doesn't smell because I leave the door open when
> not in use, as directed - and I use the right amount of detergent
>

Yes. And an occasional 'boil wash' can also help.

[Nancy2]

dsi1, the new agitator top loaders can have at least 5 or more water level settings. Mine goes from XS to
XL....so it really doesn't use gallons and gallons, although I won't argue the point that front
loaders use less. But I wouldn't be able to deal with the notorious stink the front loaders accrue.

N.

[dsi1]

My top loader has numerous settings too. It even has a deep water wash setting. That would probably be our favorite wash setting. It still doesn't really do much since the clothes never get submerged - they just flop around on a bird bath level of water.

My point was that you can probably still get an old style washer that uses a lot of water. Well, at least I've seen a few washers with the old style agitators.

[Sqwertz]

On Wed, 13 Feb 2019 11:55:37 -0500, Dave Smith wrote:

> On Christmas morning I did a load of laundry

That's at least the second time you've told us this fascinating
tidbit (and I only read 1/10th of your posts). 5 years from now
you'll still be reminiscing about that load of laundry you did on
Christmas morning 2018. Don't forget, your wife was mopping the
kitchen floor, too. That makes your post twice as exciting.

ObWasher: Sears Kenmore Series 70 model 110. Did the first load in
it in 1986 and it's averaged 3 full-size loads a week ever since (4
just in the past 24 hours). That's 1,716 loads. Or $.17/load +
water and electricity. Not a single service call in 33 years for
either the washer or the matching dryer (240V electric). The only
complaint I have is when I load up the whites and I accidentally put
one leg of my briefs over the agitator. Then your dick and balls
flap to one side while I prefer my package to be a little more
secure.

I've also had 2 microwaves in my lifetime, both Kenmore. I
inherited the big 'ol convection microwave we bought when I was 10
years old and lasted me until I was about 32 or 34. It was the
console TV of microwaves, could fit a 24lb turkey easily. Bought a
replacement Sunbeam from Walmart that lasted 24 hours before I
returned it. Spent the extra $130 and got another Kenmore that's
lasted 20 years.

I'm gonna miss Sears Kenmore. I know Sears doesn't make Kenmore but
they're farmed out to the names brands. But they're made to Sears
spec - No frills, reliable, and probably better than any of the
models that come out of that same name brand factory (I think the
washer/dryer are a White Westinghouse, IIRC).

It would be nice of this damned 33 year old General Electric
dishwater would break. I've been having to rely on it much more
since I have nerve pain in my arms and can't wash dishes by hand as
well.

-sw

[Sqwertz]

On Wed, 13 Feb 2019 11:36:46 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> No, they're not cheap, but they wear like iron and front-loaders
> are even more expensive. My last Speed Queen was 17 when my
> husband got tired of replacing belts and whatnot. Someone
> with more fortitude is probably still using it.

I like their marketing "Built to last 25 years" (but 5 year
warranty). 17 years and multiple part replacements isn't a glowing
endorsement, IMO. My Kenmore has doubled that lifetime (33 years)
for half the price (in 1986 dollars) and no part replacements or
service calls at all (knock on wood). But I've only ever bought one
washer in my lifetime so I'm a fortunate newbie and didn't realize
this wasn't typical.

-sw

[Ed Pawlowski]

Better that average/ I've bought 4 in 52 years and the last one is
still running. In the end, close to your 17 years. First one was 15
years and still running when we moved. All Maytag Bought new ones here
because it just made more sense than hauling them.

[Cindy Hamilton]

I expect belts and stuff to wear out, just as they do on cars.

Cindy Hamilton

[Dave Smith]

Automotive belts are subjected to a lot more use and at higher speeds.
It would be nice if we got a similar life out of appliance belts.

[Ophelia]

"Nancy2" wrote in message
news:93844e9f-2518-4794...@googlegroups.com...

==

I've had front loaders for decades and have never had one stink!

[Cindy Hamilton]

It depends on the design. A lot of U.S. front-loaders hold water
in little nooks and crannies. I had one that had an accordion seal
at the front, and there was always a little water left in it.

Cindy Hamilton

[cshenk]

In article <gclgor...@mid.individual.net>, OphEl...@gmail.com
says...

The smell of your upper lip covers it up!

[Ophelia]

"Cindy Hamilton" wrote in message
news:ba5abaca-100a-4eec...@googlegroups.com...

==

OK, I can't comment on US front loaders.

[Nancy Young]

I have a Whirlpool set about the same age. So far so good, one dryer
repair. I looked at the sexy new front loaders but opted for the
plain old fashioned kind because those new ones take Way Too Long to
complete the wash cycle.

nancy

[Nancy Young]

On 2/13/2019 5:40 PM, Nancy2 wrote:
> dsi1, the new agitator top loaders can have at least 5 or more water level settings. Mine goes from XS to
> XL....so it really doesn't use gallons and gallons,

My washer settings are variable, you turn the dial from really low to
full with no incremental settings. If that makes since.

nancy

[Cindy Hamilton]

Agreed. My top-loader and dryer take about the same amount of time
to cycle for all but the heaviest items. Pipelining the laundry on
the weekend works out very well.

Cindy Hamilton

[dsi1]

Americans have primitive washers that can only wash. To dry clothes, they have to take the clothes out of the washer and move them to a separate dryer. Having a washer that also drys clothes like the ones the Brits have would help alleviate standing water left in the drum.

OTOH, my guess is that a lot of stinky washers could be helped by simply leveling them properly so they can drain properly.

[dsi1]

The weird thing about belts in driers is that they're so thin and skinny. You'd think it would break after a couple of hours. It's amazing how durable the belts are. The second strange thing is that they've been using the same drive system for at least the last half century - the same design and even the same parts. The control systems might be pretty digital flashy but the mechanicals are kind of primitive.

[Nancy Young]

On 2/14/2019 11:47 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Thursday, February 14, 2019 at 11:18:21 AM UTC-5, Nancy Young wrote:

>> plain old fashioned kind because those new ones take Way Too Long to
>> complete the wash cycle.

> Agreed. My top-loader and dryer take about the same amount of time
> to cycle for all but the heaviest items. Pipelining the laundry on
> the weekend works out very well.

Exactly. I generally take a load out of the dryer, add the
stuff from the washer, start a new wash, all in one trip.

nancy

[Nancy2]

Nancy, my other problem with front loaders is I don't trust a thorough wash unless it uses plenty
of water. The front loaders in the laundromats use lots of water.

N.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Thursday, February 14, 2019 at 11:02:49 AM UTC-6, dsi1 wrote:
>
> Americans have primitive washers that can only wash. To dry clothes, they have to take the clothes out of the washer and move them to a separate dryer. Having a washer that also drys clothes like the ones the Brits have would help alleviate standing water left in the drum.
>
>

I suspect those washers are available there due to lack of space for two machines.
The advantage of two machines is while one load is being dried another is washing
then can go in the separate dryer while starting another load of laundry.

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Thursday, February 14, 2019 at 12:02:49 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> On Thursday, February 14, 2019 at 5:45:35 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> > "Nancy2" wrote in message
> > news:93844e9f-2518-4794...@googlegroups.com...
> >
> > dsi1, the new agitator top loaders can have at least 5 or more water level
> > settings. Mine goes from XS to
> > XL....so it really doesn't use gallons and gallons, although I won't argue
> > the point that front
> > loaders use less. But I wouldn't be able to deal with the notorious stink
> > the front loaders accrue.
> >
> > N.
> >
> > ==
> >
> > I've had front loaders for decades and have never had one stink!
>
> Americans have primitive washers that can only wash. To dry clothes, they have to take the clothes out of the washer and move them to a separate dryer.

It would take me twice as long to do laundry. No, thanks.

Cindy Hamilton

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 2/14/2019 12:59 PM, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:

> I suspect those washers are available there due to lack of space for two machines.
> The advantage of two machines is while one load is being dried another is washing
> then can go in the separate dryer while starting another load of laundry.
>

Not to mention simplicity of design.

[Ed Pawlowski]

Most top loaders use minimal water now too. They seem to work ok though.

[dsi1]

What you say is probably true. In my case, loading and unloading a washing machine only once would be greatly appreciated! As it goes, I'm not really into washing clothes. What guy is?

[dsi1]

I hereby decree that these types of washer/dryers shall be forever banned from our shores. Rest in comfort. :)

[Dave Smith]

One of the selling features of front loaders is that they use a lot less
water. Having a well and cistern and sometimes having to conserve as
much water as possible, that was major plus for me.

[Dave Smith]

I have never seen one but checked them out on line. They are available.
Most of them are small, less than half the capacity of a standard washer.

[Dave Smith]

I would feel the same way about them that I do about a lot of small
appliance combos, automatic coffee machines with built in a grinder. If
the the coffee maker dies you have to replace the grinder too. If the
grinder goes you have to replace the coffee maker. I prefer to deal
with them one at a time.

[S Viemeister]

On 2/14/2019 12:59 PM, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:

One of my uncles has a couple of those combo machines - but the dryer
function is rarely used. A full washload is too big for the maximum
capacity of the dryer, so you need to either wash a smaller load (if you
want to program a full wash-dry cycle), or pull a bunch of stuff out
after the wash finishes, then set it for drying.

Like you, I have a separate washer and dryer (mine are stacked), but I
have a laundry/utility room. My uncle's houses don't, so he installed
the combo machines in the kitchen.

[S Viemeister]

Yes. More things to go wrong with a combo machine.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Thursday, February 14, 2019 at 1:58:33 PM UTC-6, S Viemeister wrote:
>
> On 2/14/2019 12:59 PM, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
> >
> > I suspect those washers are available there due to lack of space for two machines.
> > The advantage of two machines is while one load is being dried another is washing
> > then can go in the separate dryer while starting another load of laundry.
> >
> One of my uncles has a couple of those combo machines - but the dryer
> function is rarely used. A full washload is too big for the maximum
> capacity of the dryer, so you need to either wash a smaller load (if you
> want to program a full wash-dry cycle), or pull a bunch of stuff out
> after the wash finishes, then set it for drying.
>

There would definitely would be no savings in time, water, and money there!
Space is the only thing I can fathom that would be saved. Or perhaps not having
to lug dirty clothes, hamper, and detergent down to the laundromat.

>
> Like you, I have a separate washer and dryer (mine are stacked), but I
> have a laundry/utility room. My uncle's houses don't, so he installed
> the combo machines in the kitchen.
>

Yes, thankfully I have a dedicated laundry room as well. When Spring rolls
around again I will be hanging sheets out on the clothesline.

[Ophelia]

"dsi1" wrote in message
news:17792999-5813-4fb8...@googlegroups.com...

==

Oh dear ..

[S Viemeister]

I love the smell of line-dried sheets, towels, too.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Thursday, February 14, 2019 at 2:34:02 PM UTC-6, S Viemeister wrote:
>
> I love the smell of line-dried sheets, towels, too.
>

Bras hung out to dry last SUBSTANTIALLY longer than those dried in the dryer,
too.

[Dave Smith]

On 2019-02-14 3:33 p.m., S Viemeister wrote:

>> Yes, thankfully I have a dedicated laundry room as well.  When Spring
>> rolls
>> around again I will be hanging sheets out on the clothesline.
>>
> I love the smell of line-dried sheets, towels, too.
>

If my dryer had died in warmer weather I would not have rushed out to
get a new one right away. From March through to October most of our
laundry is hung outside to dry.

[cshenk]

dsi1 wrote:

> On Thursday, February 14, 2019 at 8:05:55 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:
> > On Thursday, February 14, 2019 at 12:02:49 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> > > On Thursday, February 14, 2019 at 5:45:35 AM UTC-10, Ophelia
> > > wrote:
> > > > "Nancy2" wrote in message
> > > > news:93844e9f-2518-4794...@googlegroups.com...
> > > >
> > > > dsi1, the new agitator top loaders can have at least 5 or more
> > > > water level settings. Mine goes from XS to
> > > > XL....so it really doesn't use gallons and gallons, although I
> > > > won't argue the point that front
> > > > loaders use less. But I wouldn't be able to deal with the
> > > > notorious stink the front loaders accrue.
> > > >
> > > > N.
> > > >
> > > > ==
> > > >
> > > > I've had front loaders for decades and have never had one stink!
> > >
> > > Americans have primitive washers that can only wash. To dry
> > > clothes, they have to take the clothes out of the washer and move
> > > them to a separate dryer.
> >
> > It would take me twice as long to do laundry. No, thanks.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
>
> I hereby decree that these types of washer/dryers shall be forever
> banned from our shores. Rest in comfort. :)

They sucked DS1, I used them in Hawaii and it took twice as long to do
a load.

[dsi1]

On Thursday, February 14, 2019 at 2:35:17 PM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
>
> They sucked DS1, I used them in Hawaii and it took twice as long to do
> a load.

You can be assured that none of these machines will be in operation on the rock - not on my watch anyway. Anybody caught using these all-in-one machines will be given 100 lashes with a wet noodle and be forced to eat one pound of poi. Please give us the name and address of where this machine was in operation. A raid will be conducted forthwith. Thank you for your assistance in this matter.

[Hank Rogers]

Thanks for reminding me. I need new clothesline cordage.

I want to be sure I use the exact brand and type that Popeye recommends.
I am willing to order from Greenville, NY.

The reason I am so specific is that I wish to buy clothesline which has
not been touched by homosexuals.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Thursday, February 14, 2019 at 7:24:36 PM UTC-6, Hank Rogers wrote:

>
> itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
> >
> >> When Spring rolls
> > around again I will be hanging sheets out on the clothesline.
> >
> Thanks for reminding me. I need new clothesline cordage.
>

Go to Home Depot and pick up a bundle; it's white coated cording.

[Dave Smith]

I use the plastic coated wire cable It is about 90 feet from one pole to
the other so I need 180 feet of line , plus some extra to connect it
when it is down and pull it together. That works out well enough because
it is sold on connected coils of 50 feet each and the cut off as many
rolls as you need. I connect the running ends with one of those winch
gizmos. You slip the running ends through the middle shaft and ratchet
it tight.

[Sqwertz]

On Thu, 14 Feb 2019 03:18:11 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 at 11:13:27 PM UTC-5, Sqwertz wrote:
>> On Wed, 13 Feb 2019 11:36:46 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>>> No, they're not cheap, but they wear like iron and front-loaders
>>> are even more expensive. My last Speed Queen was 17 when my
>>> husband got tired of replacing belts and whatnot. Someone
>>> with more fortitude is probably still using it.
>>
>> I like their marketing "Built to last 25 years" (but 5 year
>> warranty). 17 years and multiple part replacements isn't a glowing
>> endorsement, IMO. My Kenmore has doubled that lifetime (33 years)
>> for half the price (in 1986 dollars) and no part replacements or
>> service calls at all (knock on wood). But I've only ever bought one
>> washer in my lifetime so I'm a fortunate newbie and didn't realize
>> this wasn't typical.
>
> I expect belts and stuff to wear out, just as they do on cars.

Maybe mine has chains. Inside a sealed housing. Because I've never
oiled them and I'd expect belts to have at least gotten brittle in
33 years.

-sw

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

NINETY FEET of a clothesline???? Do you use a notched pole in the center to
keep clothes off the ground??

I use turnbuckles at the ends of my clothes lines where they attach to the
crossbars of the poles.

[Dave Smith]

On 2019-02-15 1:48 a.m., itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
> On Thursday, February 14, 2019 at 9:03:34 PM UTC-6, Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>> On 2019-02-14 8:37 p.m., itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
>>>
>>> Go to Home Depot and pick up a bundle; it's white coated cording.
>>>
>>
>> I use the plastic coated wire cable It is about 90 feet from one pole to
>> the other so I need 180 feet of line , plus some extra to connect it
>> when it is down and pull it together. That works out well enough because
>> it is sold on connected coils of 50 feet each and the cut off as many
>> rolls as you need. I connect the running ends with one of those winch
>> gizmos. You slip the running ends through the middle shaft and ratchet
>> it tight.
>>
> NINETY FEET of a clothesline???? Do you use a notched pole in the center to
> keep clothes off the ground??

Nope. I use a clothesline spreader to hold up the low side of the line.
Being cable rather than rope, it doesn't stretch as much, but it will
still sag quite a bit. My end posts are old highway light standards that
were sunk into 4 foot holes, and the back one is braced to a tree. I
would not want to hand towels the who length of it, but I can hang
several loads of laundry at a time on it.

[penm...@aol.com]

On Thu, 14 Feb 2019 21:21:16 -0600, Sqwertz <sqwe...@gmail.invalid>
wrote:

Our dryer is almost 30 years old and has the original belt... the
biggest killer of dryer belts is overloading, wet laundry is heavy,
and tends not to self balance as wet laundy clumps. An over loaded
dryer also needs to run twice as long so no electric/time is saved by
running one load that should be two loads. Same is true for the
washer as well. An appliance repair person once told me that
everyone should have a scale in their laundry room.

[tert in seattle]

there's direct drive

[Hank Rogers]

Popeye, what brand of scale must we use to weigh our laundry?

It's bound to be a very critical item, yes?

[Bruce]

On Fri, 15 Feb 2019 14:16:49 -0600, Hank Rogers <nos...@invalid.net>
wrote:

>penm...@aol.com wrote:

>> Our dryer is almost 30 years old and has the original belt... the
>> biggest killer of dryer belts is overloading, wet laundry is heavy,
>> and tends not to self balance as wet laundy clumps. An over loaded
>> dryer also needs to run twice as long so no electric/time is saved by
>> running one load that should be two loads. Same is true for the
>> washer as well. An appliance repair person once told me that
>> everyone should have a scale in their laundry room.
>>
>
>Popeye, what brand of scale must we use to weigh our laundry?
>
>It's bound to be a very critical item, yes?

And is it ok to have the laundry room in the basement or is that
unhygienic since we also whelp livestock there?

[Ophelia]

"Bruce" wrote in message news:4k7e6eli1r8h20ft0...@4ax.com...

==

Oooh you are on dodgy ground there lad ... ;p

[Bruce]

On Fri, 15 Feb 2019 20:32:07 -0000, "Ophelia" <OphEl...@gmail.com>
wrote:

lol

[Jinx the Minx]

Cindy Hamilton <angelica...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Thursday, February 14, 2019 at 12:02:49 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
>> On Thursday, February 14, 2019 at 5:45:35 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>>> "Nancy2" wrote in message
>>> news:93844e9f-2518-4794...@googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>> dsi1, the new agitator top loaders can have at least 5 or more water level
>>> settings. Mine goes from XS to
>>> XL....so it really doesn't use gallons and gallons, although I won't argue
>>> the point that front
>>> loaders use less. But I wouldn't be able to deal with the notorious stink
>>> the front loaders accrue.
>>>
>>> N.
>>>
>>> ==
>>>
>>> I've had front loaders for decades and have never had one stink!
>>
>> Americans have primitive washers that can only wash. To dry clothes,
>> they have to take the clothes out of the washer and move them to a separate dryer.
>
> It would take me twice as long to do laundry. No, thanks.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>

I used to have one of those, right here in the US, and it sucked. It never
really fully dried the clothes, which isn’t a good thing, especially with
towels. I ended up buying a second dryer to be able to dry my things
properly. And yes, a minimum of 2 hours per load. It’s a good thing I was
single then and didn’t have to wash for a family. The laundry would’ve
never been caught up.

[JBurns]

On Wed, 13 Feb 2019 14:40:03 -0500, Dave Smith
<adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>On 2019-02-13 1:52 p.m., Nancy2 wrote:
>> I have a Whirlpool top loading washer (since 2010), and have had no
>> trouble at all. It has an extra large tub, and it wasn't very
>> expensive...I got it at Lowe's because they were offering a good
>> price, a free haul-away of my old one, and a gift card. I would be
>> really surprised if it had any kind of computer in it...it has
>> regular dials and nothing digital on the top. My dryer is also a
>> Whirlpool, bought at the same time.
>>
>The old one was a Cosby, apparently made by Maytag. I wish I had known
>that before I bought it. The new one is a Sumsung that was on sale... at
>least that is the way it was being marketed. Thanks to my repeat
>business they are dropped $50 off the delivery and no charge to take
>away the old one. It is a top loader. They have a number of machines
>with regular looking dials, but they are actually connected to
>computerized controls, not mechanical switches. I had not realized that
>newer washing machines no longer have those big agitators.

I have a Samsung. It has been churning out washing for seven people
for about 3 years now. It performs well.

As to the agitator, or lack thereof, it will tie your washing up in
knots sometimes.

JB

[A Moose in Love]

On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 at 11:53:59 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
> Why to appliances all die at the same time?
> We had been having trouble with our washing machine occasionally
> refusing to spin. Sometimes it helped to unplug it and let the computer
> reset. Sometimes not. The repairman came to look at it and of course it
> worked for him. He said it might be the door lock. He would order it.
> When it came in he called to let us know but said if it was working
> maybe we should not bother. A couple weeks later it acted up again. He
> came and installed then new part and it worked. That was almost about
> 2-1/2 months ago. Last night it screwed up again.
>
> Having spent over $600 in repairs in the last year and a half I didn't
> see any point in another expensive repair. My wife never liked that
> washer anyway. It was a front loader and needed frequent treatment for
> the stink those things are subject to.
>
> That's four major appliances I have had to buy since Christmas.
> Hopefully I won't be needing any more appliances for a while.
>
my flat screen tv; the colours all of a sudden they started to run together. i thought about getting a repairman, and went all over the www for advice. i've been told that it's better to purchase a new one. so next week it's off to bestbuy. this tv lasted only 8 years. it's not the cable or the box it's the tv.

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 3/2/2019 7:15 AM, A Moose in Love wrote:

>>
> my flat screen tv; the colours all of a sudden they started to run together. i thought about getting a repairman, and went all over the www for advice. i've been told that it's better to purchase a new one. so next week it's off to bestbuy. this tv lasted only 8 years. it's not the cable or the box it's the tv.
>

So 8 years later, with inflation, your new TV will be twice the size and
less than half the cost.

Oh, the best time to buy a TV is a couple of weeks after I do. The
price will be lower. I guarantee it.

[Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl]

Just some friendly advice.... Walmart or target has like a 55' TCL
(may be even bigger now) for like 3-4 hundy. I bought one about oh I
dont know a year ago and it is still working well.. sure it has some
quirks but it still is going strong. Oh wait I bought it about 1.5
years ago I remember now because about half a year after I bought it I
went to walmart on a black friday sale and they had a vizio surround
sound bluetooth speaker setup with a subwoofer for like a hundred
dollars and they usually run like 250 and now I have complete
entertainment system. I dont even pay for cable because there is no
use for it. I get my local channels through antenna for news and the
pbs stations and I add what ever network apps that I want. There are
tons of free ones that would literally allow me to watch movies or TV
series 24 hours a day everyday of the year without ever watching the
same one twice. Now I will say that I do pay for netflix and I do have
Amazon prime because I wanted the free 2 day shipping but you also get
the Amazon prime movies with that, so that's a plus. The TV though
updates regularly I remember my last "smart" TV was not so smart
because when youtube switched their software to a newer version of
html or whatever I could no longer watch youtube on my TV and that
sucks because there are tons of great cooking shows on there... I
watch americas test kitchen, tasty, munchies, sam the cooking guy...
along with several sailing channels and several bushcraft channels...

Anyway back to the TV, the quirks that I spoke of are sometimes when I
turn the TV on I dont always get sound through my vizio speakers and I
usually have to turn the TV of and back on again but I think there may
be a problem because the two are totally different brands.... because
the speaker system is supposed to turn on with the television but it
does not always do that.

And that is enough about that.


--

____/~~~sine qua non~~~\____

[Gary]

A Moose in Love wrote:
>

> my flat screen tv; the colours all of a sudden they started to run together. i thought about getting a repairman, and went all over the www for advice. i've been told that it's better to purchase a new one. so next week it's off to bestbuy. this tv lasted only 8 years. it's not the cable or the box it's the tv.

Well don't buy that brand again. Here's one opinion of a new TV
for you.

I bought an "Element" brand tv from Target over 12 years ago. It
was a sale one that I had never heard of but it turned out to be
an excellent brand. After 12 years it still works perfectly. The
key factor here is how many hours has it run and this tv has
logged way more hours than the average tv.

Only time I ever turn it off is when I go to work. When I'm not
working, it stays on 24/7. I don't watch it that darn much but I
just leave it on. The tv is just my little bedroom buddy. heheh
Point here is that hour wise this is definitely the "Energizer"
TV. It keeps on going and going.

If this one ever stops working, I'll buy another Element. They
have proven their quality to me and I highly recommend the brand.

[A Moose in Love]

i inheritied a 55" LG. i'd rather get a smaller tv. lg's have a good price, but i don't like the fact that it only lasted 8 years.

[Ed Pawlowski]

I'm not sure how much brand actually matters. Most screens are made in
the same factory and most other electronics from another one or two and
they get assembled with a different brand sticker.

Buying today, I'd get an OLED and any other features that may be
important to me. I also use a sound bar. The thinner the TV, the
harder it is to get decent sound. Sound bar fixes that, in my case, I
often listen to music from YouTube so it sounds as good as it looks.

I have Samsung and LG TV's. Happy with both.

Oh, no matter what size you want, get the next one bigger and you won't
be sorry. I could not fit larger than 55" in my last house. Here, wish
it was a 65". I also wall mounted it too. Safer that way.

[dsi1]

On Saturday, March 2, 2019 at 2:15:41 AM UTC-10, A Moose in Love wrote:
> my flat screen tv; the colours all of a sudden they started to run together. i thought about getting a repairman, and went all over the www for advice. i've been told that it's better to purchase a new one. so next week it's off to bestbuy. this tv lasted only 8 years. it's not the cable or the box it's the tv.

My guess is that in a few years, OLED TV will take over the market. We are now in a transition period. You can probably get a pretty good dirt cheap LCD TV now but I expect that you'd want to get an OLED model in a few years when they become dirt cheap. You're probably going to get blown away with either types of TVs.

[graham]

I still use a CRT model. I have thought about getting a flat screen
monster but why waste money on all the crap that passes as entertainment

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 3/2/2019 11:26 AM, A Moose in Love wrote:

>
> i inheritied a 55" LG. i'd rather get a smaller tv. lg's have a good price, but i don't like the fact that it only lasted 8 years.
>

I've seen numbers from 30,000 hours to 100,000 hours life expectancy.

Reality is, no matter the brand, size, conditions of use, there will be
some that breakdown much faster, others that will go much longer. That
is true of TVs, automobiles, cameras, bulldozers, computers, and every
other man made item on earth.

[dsi1]

You certainly got a point there.

[Gary]

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> Oh, the best time to buy a TV is a couple of weeks after I do. The
> price will be lower. I guarantee it.

lol So true, Ed. Happened to me many times.

[Ophelia]

"Gary" wrote in message news:5C7AAB97...@att.net...

==

I couldn't leave my tv on all that time. We turn it on for something we
want to watch and then turn it off when finished:))

Does it never annoy you?

The only thing I have running is some music turned down very low:))

[penm...@aol.com]

On Sat, 2 Mar 2019 10:31:29 -0500, Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.xxx> wrote:

>On 3/2/2019 7:15 AM, A Moose in Love wrote:
>
>>>
>> my flat screen tv; the colours all of a sudden they started to run together. i thought about getting a repairman, and went all over the www for advice. i've been told that it's better to purchase a new one. so next week it's off to bestbuy. this tv lasted only 8 years. it's not the cable or the box it's the tv.
>>
>
>So 8 years later, with inflation, your new TV will be twice the size and
>less than half the cost.

Eight years is a long time for a flat panel TV, most are lucky to last
5-6 years. And they are not truly reparable other than tweaking the
settings and that their tech can guide you through by phone. If it's
on cable your cable tech may be able to correct it. Often settings
can be impacted from a power outage, so it may only need to be
returned to factory settings.

>Oh, the best time to buy a TV is a couple of weeks after I do. The
>price will be lower. I guarantee it.

Yeah, but what if that is all the way out to Christmas, he may not
want to go some eight months with no TV. We've found the best deals
are at Walmart, they have an agreement with Vizio that they sell tv's
without certain features like Picture in Picture, no one uses that
feature anyway and you'll save like $200. We have four Vizios in the
house, all give an excellent picture and are long lived.

A hint to protect electronics is to hook each TV to its own APC
battery back up and an APC surge protector. A battery back up
prevents electronics from crashing, gives one plenty of time to power
down properly... and with cheapo stupidmarket surge protectors you're
just fooling yourself, gives a false sense of security when in fact
they really don't work after 2-3 power surges. I have my desk top PC,
all its perifials, and my 26" VIZIO TV protected with this:
https://www.amazon.com/APC-Back-UPS-Battery-Protector-BR1000G/dp/B0038ZTZ3W/ref=sr_1_fkmrnull_3?crid=H8PBQAXPCO3V&keywords=apc+pro+1000+battery+backup+%26+surge+protector&qid=1551550313&s=gateway&sprefix=apc+pro+1000%2Caps%2C1709&sr=8-3-fkmrnull

[Gary]

A Moose in Love wrote:
>

> Gary wrote:
> > If this one ever stops working, I'll buy another Element. They
> > have proven their quality to me and I highly recommend the brand.
>
> i inheritied a 55" LG. i'd rather get a smaller tv. lg's have a good price, but i don't like the fact that it only lasted 8 years.

This Element tv I have is a 24". Great for sitting on the little
table right near my bed. I keep volume low at night so like the
'closed captions'. Easy to read on a 24 inch from only 3-4 feet
from my face.

I'll probably go to a 32" screen next time but no larger. Even a
24" replacement would be fine with me. As you've seen now, all
the sale ads for tvs are only for HUGE screens and are a joke for
many cases. Ignore the large screens and go for a smaller one.
Prices are low now especially for 32" and under.

When it comes to televisions, bigger is not always better. That
depends on size of your rooms and how you use them. In my small
bedroom, 32" or less works well. No tv in any other rooms here.

[Gary]

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> Oh, no matter what size you want, get the next one bigger and you won't
> be sorry. I could not fit larger than 55" in my last house. Here, wish
> it was a 65". I also wall mounted it too. Safer that way.

I agree with the next size up. My 24" is small and only for
personal viewing in my bedroom. Even there, next one will be a
32" but no larger.

If I ever put one again in my living room it would be a 48". So
cheap enough on sale, these days. :)

[Gary]

Ophelia wrote:
>
> I couldn't leave my tv on all that time. We turn it on for something we
> want to watch and then turn it off when finished:))
>
> Does it never annoy you?

Not having it on is what will annoy me. I like the background
noise.

>
> The only thing I have running is some music turned down very low:))

Doesn't that music turned down annoy you? ;)

[Ophelia]

"Gary" wrote in message news:5C7AD137...@att.net...

==

lol

[Ed Pawlowski]

Depends on the room size. Ours is a 47" that used to be in the family
room. It is on the opposite wall from the bed on top of a dresser,
comfortable to watch from bed.

[cshenk]

I had same brand and only recenty upgraded from it. Still working, it
went to lady with 3 kids and only an ol style smallr tube TV.