First coat high of Lacey Lilac (VERY light blue!)

[John Kuthe]

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Sweat Equity?

John Kuthe, Climate Anarchist, Suburban Renewalist and Vegetarian

[Alex]

Might have been easier to do the ceiling first.

[Gary]

Ceiling should always be painted first. Generally start
at the top and work down. Ceiling, walls then woodwork
last.

[Bruce]

Would you use water or oil based paints for indoors woodwork?

Would you use a primer for indoor woodwork if you're painting over a
(sanded) old coating of oil based paint?

[Gary]

Bruce wrote:
>
> Would you use water or oil based paints for indoors woodwork?

For interior woodwork, I've always preferred oil and it's
usually going over old oil paint - no primer necessary. It
gives a much smoother and harder finish.
Sadly, oil based paint is on the way out. It's already been
outlawed in northern Virginia years ago.

> Would you use a primer for indoor woodwork if you're painting over a
> (sanded) old coating of oil based paint?

All this is why I'm happy to be leaving the trade slowly.

Most old houses used oil paint on woodwork. Despite the
claims by paint companies, you can't sand and apply water
based paint on top. I tried it on my bathroom door...still
peels off. Not even water based primer that claim
to do the job.

You wouldn't believe how many houses I've had to fix after
someone used waterbased over oil. It's a real mess. You
can't sand it smooth, it just rolls up. Even a fingernail
can start a peel.

NOW, to use waterbased over oil paint, the only way to do
it properly is to use an oilbased primer first, then 2
coats of waterbased paint. The first coat soaks in a bit
and doesn't leave a good finish.

All of the sudden, you need to charge for 3 coats instead
of the normal two coats. Customers don't like that extra
cost.

I'm sure Joan could do it easily without the extra step
though. ;)

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Tuesday, July 14, 2020 at 7:15:59 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
>
> NOW, to use waterbased over oil paint, the only way to do
> it properly is to use an oilbased primer first, then 2
> coats of waterbased paint. The first coat soaks in a bit
> and doesn't leave a good finish.
>
> All of the sudden, you need to charge for 3 coats instead
> of the normal two coats. Customers don't like that extra
> cost.
>
> I'm sure Joan could do it easily without the extra step
> though. ;)
>

I use water-based enamel for woodwork and doors and hasn't peeled or bubbled
up one single time in the 32 years I've lived in this almost 100-year-old
house. It must be the magical climate here in Tennessee that makes it adhere
so well.

[Gary]

Yes Joan....magical indeed. You are my hero. :)

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Tuesday, July 14, 2020 at 10:02:58 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
>
> Yes Joan....magical indeed. You are my hero. :)
>

It's nice to be someone's hero; glad I could lift your day.

[Sheldon Martin]

On Tue, 14 Jul 2020 08:15:55 -0400, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:

>Bruce wrote:
>>
>> Would you use water or oil based paints for indoors woodwork?
>
>For interior woodwork, I've always preferred oil and it's
>usually going over old oil paint - no primer necessary. It
>gives a much smoother and harder finish.
>Sadly, oil based paint is on the way out. It's already been
>outlawed in northern Virginia years ago.

I'd think there will still be oil based for steel/iron and for wood
decking, however most people are now using fiberglass decking/fencing,
color is built in so needs no paint. I don't think many use oil based
for indoor house paint. For concrete most would choose an epoxy
paint. I used to build plastic models and painted those with a paint
similar to nail polish, least it smelled like nail polish. But that
was very long ago, there must be different paints now.

>> Would you use a primer for indoor woodwork if you're painting over a
>> (sanded) old coating of oil based paint?
>
>All this is why I'm happy to be leaving the trade slowly.
>
>Most old houses used oil paint on woodwork. Despite the
>claims by paint companies, you can't sand and apply water
>based paint on top. I tried it on my bathroom door...still
>peels off. Not even water based primer that claim
>to do the job.
>
>You wouldn't believe how many houses I've had to fix after
>someone used waterbased over oil. It's a real mess. You
>can't sand it smooth, it just rolls up. Even a fingernail
>can start a peel.
>
>NOW, to use waterbased over oil paint, the only way to do
>it properly is to use an oilbased primer first, then 2
>coats of waterbased paint. The first coat soaks in a bit
>and doesn't leave a good finish.
>
>All of the sudden, you need to charge for 3 coats instead
>of the normal two coats. Customers don't like that extra
>cost.
>
>I'm sure Joan could do it easily without the extra step
>though. ;)

When we first moved here and went to paint the living room, the
largest room, water based paint litterally slid off to the bottom from
gravity. We discovered that they used an oil based paint (ballpark
mustard yallow) that they had left over from their factory down the
road, their family owns a local company that builds custom high end
metal furniture and other expensive metal products, like automoblie
elevators... Hollywood people like Jay Leno would order them for
storing their many vehicles.

That ballpark mustard yallow color was awful, so in the end we sanded
the walls in that entire 20' X 30' room... we used those rubberized
electric vibrating palm sanders. A dusty job so we suited up and wore
respirators... it worked, we were able to use water based paint with
no problems. The ceilings throughout this house are 1' sq. Celotex
tiles... excellent sound absorbtion and adds great insulation. Easy
to paint with a roller.

[Bruce]

On Tue, 14 Jul 2020 08:15:55 -0400, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:

>Bruce wrote:
>>
>> Would you use water or oil based paints for indoors woodwork?
>
>For interior woodwork, I've always preferred oil and it's
>usually going over old oil paint - no primer necessary. It
>gives a much smoother and harder finish.
>Sadly, oil based paint is on the way out. It's already been
>outlawed in northern Virginia years ago.

I always used oil paint on wood, but I keep seeing and hearing more
and more water based paint on wood. I only ever used that on ceilings
and walls.

I guess they're banning oil based for environmental or health reasons.

>> Would you use a primer for indoor woodwork if you're painting over a
>> (sanded) old coating of oil based paint?
>
>All this is why I'm happy to be leaving the trade slowly.
>
>Most old houses used oil paint on woodwork. Despite the
>claims by paint companies, you can't sand and apply water
>based paint on top. I tried it on my bathroom door...still
>peels off. Not even water based primer that claim
>to do the job.
>
>You wouldn't believe how many houses I've had to fix after
>someone used waterbased over oil. It's a real mess. You
>can't sand it smooth, it just rolls up. Even a fingernail
>can start a peel.
>
>NOW, to use waterbased over oil paint, the only way to do
>it properly is to use an oilbased primer first, then 2
>coats of waterbased paint. The first coat soaks in a bit
>and doesn't leave a good finish.
>
>All of the sudden, you need to charge for 3 coats instead
>of the normal two coats. Customers don't like that extra
>cost.
>
>I'm sure Joan could do it easily without the extra step
>though. ;)

And really fast too :)

[Bruce]

For yourself, you can take all the shortcuts and risks you want. When
you provide a professional service, the bar's raised higher.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

Paintbrushes and rollers no longer fit my hands. I hire someone now to
do that onerous chore.

[Bruce]

I have painted more than enough for a lifetime. I hope to never do it
again.

[Bruce]

Which is why our current house is still in light blue and pink pastel
colours. I'm hoping we'll sell it as is one day.

[Hank Rogers]

Yep, maybe somebody will use it for a rainbow tribe flophouse.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

I hear you!

[Dave Smith]

Me too. I hate painting. I just really hate it.