Horse meat available

[Ed Pawlowski]

Just watched the KY Derby. The horse that finished first was
disqualified. Maximum Security was kicked out for moving off the rail
and interfering with another horse. I'm thinking he will be hamburgers
tomorrow. Maybe the jockey too. Country House paid 65-1

[lucreti...@fl.it]

Saw that, they said first time ever. Wondered if it was calculated by
interested parties in seeing the favourite lose :)

[Bruce]

Time to leave those horses alone. Same for bull fighting, cock
fighting, dog fighting and all other forms of sadism.

[Gary]

Probably not the horse? Wouldn't that be the jockey's fault?
Maybe unemployed forever jockey meat available soon as "mystery
meat" for hamburgers?

Sadly, I missed the race. I saw early in the day that it was
going to be run. Didn't care to watch hours of the pre-race show
but I did make a mental note to turn it on about 6:30 in order to
watch the actual race.

But then I got busy and totally forgot about it until your post
last night. arrghh!

[Ed Pawlowski]

It finally is becoming an open subject after 23 horses died at Santa
Anita track last year.

At least horses are treated a little better than fighting animals but
they are not pets.

[A Moose in Love]

high end horses are treated better than run of the mill cheap claiming horses.
i was disgusted when i went to my first and only bullfight(mazatlan mexico)
i don't look at horse racing the same. at least people are not trying to kill the horses.

remember, we kill animals whenever we choose to.

[Nancy2]

The disqualified horse still has mega value as a stud, or he probably will even rum
more races. That is up to the owner. I can guarantee he will never be ground
horse meat.

You were kidding, right?

Was the winner one of the Baffert horses? He had 3 in the race. I watched
some of the early coverage, but missed hosts Tara Lipinski and Johnny Weir,
who are usually covering the races.

N.

[Ed Pawlowski]

I'm not sure how he got off track. I saw a comment where the jockey
said "I got him back" but from what I saw, it was not a big deal and had
little affect. Now worse than a bump in a NASCAR race.

I bet some big bucks were moved around from first place finisher to the
winner. I have to wonder how the bookies feel about it all.

[jmcquown]

I didn't watch the Derby but I'd be more interested in the hideous hats
than the outcome. ;)

Jill

[lucreti...@fl.it]

I am sure the bookies are delighted :)

[Ed Pawlowski]

Owner was J V Shields. I suspect we'll see both horses in the Preakness
and Belmont. If nothing else, it should generate some publicity.

[Dave Smith]

On 2019-05-05 10:58 a.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> It finally is becoming an open subject after 23 horses died at Santa
> Anita track last year.
>
> At least horses are treated a little better than fighting animals but
> they are not pets.

Horses like to work. They like to run hard. They love to go over jumps.

[Bruce]

Animal psychologist Dave.

[Ed Pawlowski]

If they like to work, train them to do practical work like mow the lawn
or do the dishes. They could jump over the coffee table to mop the floor.

[Nancy2]

Ed, I think Bob Baffert is the trainer, not the owner. But I could be wrong.

I am with Jill, anyway...I watch for the hats, mostly. ;-)). I love it when I catch a
portion of a TV report on Ascot, for that reason.

N.

[jmcquown]

When it comes to hats, they come up with some doosies! ;)

Jill

[penm...@aol.com]

Which TV commercial is more annoying: Hearing Assist or My Pillow?

[Gary]

penm...@aol.com wrote:
>
> Which TV commercial is more annoying: Hearing Assist or My Pillow?

Both are annoying including several others that I see night to
night.
The worst one features that idiot that walks around everywhere
bobbing his head stupidly, at work, mowing the lawn, etc. I alway
do an immediate switch-channel when that one starts.

ARRGHHH!

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Monday, May 6, 2019 at 10:41:42 AM UTC-4, Sheldon wrote:
> Which TV commercial is more annoying: Hearing Assist or My Pillow?

I wouldn't know. We very rarely watch commercial TV in real
time. On those occasions, we press the Mute button as soon
as any commercial comes on.

Cindy Hamilton

[penm...@aol.com]

Yes, that's another annoying one. That Terminex guy is weird too. And
now The Stanley Steemer kid who pukes from his nose.
TV ads are becoming awful, they make me never wanting to buy those
products.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

I'm thankful for DirecTV's ability to pause whatever I'm watching for an hour
and a half which I do frequently. Then I can zip through those annoying
commercials in about 10 seconds. I can also record a program while watching
another and watch it later and do the same zip through the commercials task.

[jmcquown]

When watching commercial TV I simply ignore ads. I pick up a book and
when the commercial is over I put it down and resume watching the show.

Didn't Sheldon buy (or at least look into buying) a My Pillow?

Jill

[penm...@aol.com]

On Mon, 6 May 2019 12:38:26 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

About a year ago I asked here of people's opinions. Shortly after
there was a big bedding sale at Walmart, bought four great pillows at
$7 per; Sertapedic Queen Size. They are machine washable/dryable.
At that price we don't care if they need to be replaced after five
years but they'll likely last longer. Walmart was selling several
brands of pillows including My Pillow, we didn't like them, they are
not very firm, they are not a full queen size and they were $40 per.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_J._Lindell

[U.S. Janet B.]

On Mon, 06 May 2019 10:41:39 -0400, penm...@aol.com wrote:

>Which TV commercial is more annoying: Hearing Assist or My Pillow?

the only ones I watch are the ones with dogs and cats in them --
couldn't tell you what they were advertising though.
Janet US

[S Viemeister]

+1

[jmcquown]

On 5/6/2019 1:38 PM, penm...@aol.com wrote:
> On Mon, 6 May 2019 12:38:26 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>> On 5/6/2019 11:13 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On Monday, May 6, 2019 at 10:41:42 AM UTC-4, Sheldon wrote:
>>>> Which TV commercial is more annoying: Hearing Assist or My Pillow?
>>>
>>> I wouldn't know. We very rarely watch commercial TV in real
>>> time. On those occasions, we press the Mute button as soon
>>> as any commercial comes on.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>> When watching commercial TV I simply ignore ads. I pick up a book and
>> when the commercial is over I put it down and resume watching the show.
>>
>> Didn't Sheldon buy (or at least look into buying) a My Pillow?
>>
>> Jill
>
> About a year ago I asked here of people's opinions.
>

(snippage)

Okay, you just confirmed that yes, you asked about My Pillow. I don't
actually notice the ads. As I stated above... I pick up a book when a
commercial comes on. I put it back down when the show resumes. So the
answer is, neither commercial bothers me. I don't pay attention to them.

I have the ability to completely block out commercials and other
extraneous sounds when I'm reading a book. I can tell by the change in
what I'm hearing the commercials are over and the show I was watching is
resuming. I set the book down.

Jill

[Nancy2]

The newer ones advertising Plexiderm always makes me find my mute button.
Just a warning: after it was first on TV, I tried a sample because it was so cheap; not only
did it do nothing visible I could see to erase fine lines and wrinkles (yes, I have some, I
am almost 80 years old, after all). That was several months ago.

But, a week or so ago, I saw it in a d rawer, and decided to give it another chance.m even
though I shook the little dispenser before I tried to force some out, it had separated too
much from not being used, and it spurted a small amount onto my mirror. Where when
it dried, because I didn't see all the spots, it became impossible to get off the glass. My
cleaning lady tried everything except a Brillo pad. I could feel the small ridge it made
around the tiny circle spot, because it made a bump. So today, I tried one of those fakey
metal/fabric type woven scouring pads with some Windex. And a LOT of elbow grease.

I think I got it all, but I will take another look the next time I go in the bathroom.

So, BE WARNED: if it is impossible to remove from a slick surface like a mirror, what is
it doing to your skin?

N.

[penm...@aol.com]

On Mon, 06 May 2019 11:59:45 -0600, U.S. Janet B. <J...@nospam.com>
wrote:

We enjoy the ads with critters too.

[Sqwertz]

You must just watch of TV. I admit to having it on much of the
day, but I'm not watching it. Maybe these are East Coast
commercials.

Except for Mike Lindell. The MyPillow guy is an asshole who's been
fined and sued probably a dozen times including a couple class
actions. He claims God gave him the idea for MyPillow while he was
smoking crack. And 5 years later, prayed to God one night and
supposedly woke up sober every day since.

Sorry, but I stopped being that gullible, oh, 30 years ago. He's
still smoking crack (or worse) if he expects anybody who's been a
crackhead or any other addict to believe that.

https://www.nickiswift.com/131574/the-truth-about-the-my-pillow-commercial-guy/

-sw

[Sqwertz]

On Mon, 6 May 2019 09:34:21 -0700 (PDT), itsjoan...@webtv.net

I just download everything I need to watch and watch on my TV's
media player. It's as easy as looking at a TV schedule and 100% free
except for the electricity (30 watts).

=-sw

[Sqwertz]

On Mon, 6 May 2019 14:07:13 -0400, jmcquown wrote:

> I have the ability to completely block out commercials and other
> extraneous sounds when I'm reading a book. I can tell by the change in
> what I'm hearing the commercials are over and the show I was watching is
> resuming. I set the book down.

Reading fiction 2-3 minutes at a time is about as rewarding as
reading a bible.

-sw

[Sqwertz]

On Mon, 06 May 2019 13:38:11 -0400, penm...@aol.com wrote:

> About a year ago I asked here of people's opinions. Shortly after
> there was a big bedding sale at Walmart, bought four great pillows at
> $7 per; Sertapedic Queen Size. They are machine washable/dryable.
> At that price we don't care if they need to be replaced after five
> years but they'll likely last longer. Walmart was selling several
> brands of pillows including My Pillow, we didn't like them, they are
> not very firm, they are not a full queen size and they were $40 per.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_J._Lindell

So you did buy them.

-sw

[Cindy Hamilton]

Maybe it's not fiction. Maybe it's the Farmer's Almanac, which is
ideally suited to reading in small spurts. ;)

Cindy Hamilton

[penm...@aol.com]

On Mon, 6 May 2019 22:50:20 -0500, Sqwertz <sqwe...@gmail.invalid>

wrote:

>On Mon, 06 May 2019 12:12:33 -0400, penm...@aol.com wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 06 May 2019 11:01:00 -0400, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:
>>
>>>penm...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Which TV commercial is more annoying: Hearing Assist or My Pillow?
>>>
>>>Both are annoying including several others that I see night to
>>>night.
>>>The worst one features that idiot that walks around everywhere
>>>bobbing his head stupidly, at work, mowing the lawn, etc. I alway
>>>do an immediate switch-channel when that one starts.
>>>
>>>ARRGHHH!
>>
>> Yes, that's another annoying one. That Terminex guy is weird too. And
>> now The Stanley Steemer kid who pukes from his nose.
>> TV ads are becoming awful, they make me never wanting to buy those
>> products.
>
>You must just watch of TV. I admit to having it on much of the
>day, but I'm not watching it. Maybe these are East Coast
>commercials.

I leave the TV on all day but I'm not watching it, it's on even when
I'm not home, I could be out mowing grass all day and the TV is on.
Mostly it's on for background noise. Some mornings I forget to turn
it on and suddenly after a couple of hours I realize it's too quiet
here

[penm...@aol.com]

On Mon, 6 May 2019 23:16:37 -0500, Sqwertz <sqwe...@gmail.invalid>
wrote:

Nope, bought Sertapedic.

[Gary]

I often have 2 books going at a time. Fiction and non-fiction.
Non-fiction is good for commercial breaks. A good fiction book is
hard to bring up then down for just a few minutes.

[Gary]

penm...@aol.com wrote:
>
> I leave the TV on all day but I'm not watching it, it's on even when
> I'm not home, I could be out mowing grass all day and the TV is on.
> Mostly it's on for background noise. Some mornings I forget to turn
> it on and suddenly after a couple of hours I realize it's too quiet
> here

I do the same. Mine is always on, either for background noise or
to watch whenever something good comes on.

[Nancy2]

Jill, I also always have a book open or at hand when I watch TV. My lack of mobility limits
what I can physically do, so reading and TV are my two main occupations, although I do
get out for limited errand-running.

SW is mistaken...I never lose the necessary story line or characters when I read while
watching....and I read a lot, all fiction. My current TBR stack ("to be read") numbers
13, and my list of favorite authors is two columns, 11pt. type, on an 8 1/2 x 11 page. LOL.

N.

[Gary]

Sqwertz wrote:
>
> Except for Mike Lindell. The MyPillow guy is an asshole who's been
> fined and sued probably a dozen times including a couple class
> actions. He claims God gave him the idea for MyPillow while he was
> smoking crack. And 5 years later, prayed to God one night and
> supposedly woke up sober every day since.
>
> Sorry, but I stopped being that gullible, oh, 30 years ago. He's
> still smoking crack (or worse) if he expects anybody who's been a
> crackhead or any other addict to believe that.
>
> https://www.nickiswift.com/131574/the-truth-about-the-my-pillow-commercial-guy/

Very interesting to read and backed up by all the valid news
links. :)

[Cindy Hamilton]

I could get through a lot of text in a commercial break and not lose the
thread of what I've read.

My crazy thing is listening to audiobooks in the car. I have 10-minute
drive to work and the reader doesn't get through much text before I'm
at my destination.

Cindy Hamilton

[jmcquown]

I don't lose the story line in the couple of minutes it takes to ignore
television commercials, either. People who don't like to read don't get
it. :)

Jill

[jmcquown]

On 5/7/2019 9:49 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 7, 2019 at 8:45:13 AM UTC-4, Nancy2 wrote:
>> Jill, I also always have a book open or at hand when I watch TV. My lack of mobility limits
>> what I can physically do, so reading and TV are my two main occupations, although I do
>> get out for limited errand-running.
>>
>> SW is mistaken...I never lose the necessary story line or characters when I read while
>> watching....and I read a lot, all fiction. My current TBR stack ("to be read") numbers
>> 13, and my list of favorite authors is two columns, 11pt. type, on an 8 1/2 x 11 page. LOL.
>>
>> N.
>
> I could get through a lot of text in a commercial break and not lose the
> thread of what I've read.
>

Exactly! You don't forget what was going on in a book just because you
only read a chapter or two during a commercial break.

> My crazy thing is listening to audiobooks in the car. I have 10-minute
> drive to work and the reader doesn't get through much text before I'm
> at my destination.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>

I would probably like audio books if someone didn't read them to me at a
snails pace in a dramatic voice. ;)

Jill

[jmcquown]

In article <5963dc60-386f-4c8e...@googlegroups.com>,
angelica...@yahoo.com Cindy Hamilton says...

> I have 10-minute drive to work and the reader doesn't get through much
> text before I'm at my destination.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>

10 minutes is just about how much work you do once you arrive,
the rest of the time you're posting in here. :0)

[U.S. Janet B.]

I've changed my mind. It's Oprah saying "Con-grat-u-la-ssshuuunnnns!'
to some 'I've lost weight and I'm on TV" person for Weight Watchers
(now known as WW)
I've never had a hateful thought about her but that commercial has
changed everything!
Janet US

[A Moose in Love]

i record stuff i like to watch, then fast forward through commercials.

[penm...@aol.com]

Even though probably not true I've convinced myself that the cats like
the company. Most times even when I'm inside during winter I'm not in
the room with the TV, I spend a lot of kitchen time cooking, I also do
housework, I dust, vacuum, clean windows, and I do most of the
laundry... we have two washing machines, my wife uses the heavy duty
commercial machine in the basement for large items like blanketsl/cat
bedding, I do all the regular laundry in a machine on the main floor.
We only have the one drier that we both use, however there are
clotheslines in the basement for those large items... they dry quickly
as the boiler is in the basemet and during warm months there's also a
dehumidifier there, summers here can be humid and we don't air
condition the basement, there's a cat door in the basement door that
they use when the A/C is running.

I mostly read non-fiction, I read about gardening, animals, geology,
photography, fountain pens, a few other topics, I like to read
biographies , and I read the mailings from where I used to work. if I
want fiction I read RFC... and over the past two years I read fewer
and fewer rfc posts. those who don't trim while only adding two words
I delete their posts unopened.... when I see a thread of a dozen posts
and eleven are from JB I delete the entire thread immediately. I also
delete the posts from those who haven't set word wrap... I only read
as much as goes to the end of the line, whatever I have to mouse
around to see I delete unread.

[jmcquown]

On 5/7/2019 11:52 AM, penm...@aol.com wrote:
> On Tue, 07 May 2019 Gary wrote:
>> penmart wrote:
>>>
>>> I leave the TV on all day but I'm not watching it, it's on even when
>>> I'm not home, I could be out mowing grass all day and the TV is on.
>>> Mostly it's on for background noise. Some mornings I forget to turn
>>> it on and suddenly after a couple of hours I realize it's too quiet
>>> here
>>
>> I do the same. Mine is always on, either for background noise or
>> to watch whenever something good comes on.
>
> Even though probably not true I've convinced myself that the cats like
> the company. Most times even when I'm inside during winter I'm not in
> the room with the TV, I spend a lot of kitchen time cooking, I also do
> housework, I dust, vacuum, clean windows, and I do most of the
> laundry...

In other words, you're a house husband. :)

I mostly have the TV on for background noise if I'm in the same room
with it. If I'm not, there's no point in having it on so I turn it off.
Hearing it from another room is a distraction.

I don't need constant sound. I open the windows and listen to the birds
if I want to hear something.

You've never heard anything completely quiet until there is no
electricity running at all. During Hurricane Matthew the power went out
for four days. I spent those days reading books. With the windows open.

There was *no* underlying hum of any electrical appliances. It was
totally quiet except for the sounds of the birds and wildlife outside.
I actually heard the sound of a hummingbirds' wings beating in that
quiet. Know what they sound like? If you ever saw (and I'm not a fan)
George Lucas' 'Star Wars', hummingbird wings sound like the light sabers
from the movie. (It wouldn't surprise me at all if the composer didn't
get the inspiration from the beating of hummingbirds wings.)

It was deadly quiet except for the sounds of nature. Didn't bother me
at all.

> I mostly read non-fiction, I read about gardening, animals, geology,
> photography, fountain pens, a few other topics, I like to read
> biographies , and I read the mailings from where I used to work. if I
> want fiction I read RFC...

In other words, you have a very narrow scope about what you read.
That's okay. No one is forcing you to read anything you don't like. Or
watch anything on television you don't like. Or listen to/watch
television commercials. I tune them out. Pick up a book. :)

Jill

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 5/7/2019 12:39 PM, jmcquown wrote:

>
> I don't need constant sound.  I open the windows and listen to the birds
> if I want to hear something.
>
> You've never heard anything completely quiet until there is no
> electricity running at all.  During Hurricane Matthew the power went out
> for four days.  I spent those days reading books.  With the windows open.
>
> There was *no* underlying hum of any electrical appliances.  It was
> totally quiet except for the sounds of the birds and wildlife outside. I
> actually heard the sound of a hummingbirds' wings beating in that
> quiet.  Know what they sound like?  If you ever saw (and I'm not a fan)
> George Lucas' 'Star Wars', hummingbird wings sound like the light sabers
> from the movie.  (It wouldn't surprise me at all if the composer didn't
> get the inspiration from the beating of hummingbirds wings.)
>
> It was deadly quiet except for the sounds of nature.  Didn't bother me
> at all.

It would probably make the world a better place if the power went off
for a few hours every week. People would be forced to hear nature, talk
to each other, see the world differently, untouched by technology.

[Cindy Hamilton]

Could we give it a miss in the winter? Could be inconvenient
when it's below 0 F.

Cindy Hamilton

[penm...@aol.com]

I don't read while watching TV, I prefer to read in bed with the TV
off. But when watching TV and when commercials come on I do
crossword puzzles. I'm subscribed to a crossword puzzle site where I
can work the puzzels on line or I can print them, $20/yr. I prefer to
print and work the puzzles in ink. I'll print about a month's worth
at a time and keep them on a clipboard:
https://www.puzzlesociety.com/registration/new
I use the unprinted backs of junk mail, and I use an ink source from
Amazon, refilled printer ink cartridges, half the price of brand name
but works as well, They sell it for all the different printers.:
https://www.amazon.com/GPC-Image-Remanufactured-Cartridge-Replacement/dp/B07H7GY8Q2/ref=sr_1_22?crid=2IG3U4JDV3HS9&keywords=gpc+image+ink+cartridge&qid=1557253109&s=gateway&sprefix=CPC+Image%2Caps%2C157&sr=8-22
I like these pens for puzzles etc., a great smooth as silk writing gel
pen, for puzzles I prefer Bold but they make many styles/colors:
https://www.amazon.com/uni-ball-Retractable-Point-1-0mm-Count/dp/B005HNZ5D2/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=uni-ball+gel+pens%2C+bold%2C+blue&qid=1557252517&s=gateway&sr=8-3

[penm...@aol.com]

I sometimes use the commercials to pee... I'm done peeing just before
the show comes back.

[Bruce]

On Tue, 7 May 2019 12:39:17 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

>On 5/7/2019 11:52 AM, penm...@aol.com wrote:
>> On Tue, 07 May 2019 Gary wrote:
>>> penmart wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I leave the TV on all day but I'm not watching it, it's on even when
>>>> I'm not home, I could be out mowing grass all day and the TV is on.
>>>> Mostly it's on for background noise. Some mornings I forget to turn
>>>> it on and suddenly after a couple of hours I realize it's too quiet
>>>> here
>>>
>>> I do the same. Mine is always on, either for background noise or
>>> to watch whenever something good comes on.
>>
>> Even though probably not true I've convinced myself that the cats like
>> the company. Most times even when I'm inside during winter I'm not in
>> the room with the TV, I spend a lot of kitchen time cooking, I also do
>> housework, I dust, vacuum, clean windows, and I do most of the
>> laundry...
>
>In other words, you're a house husband. :)
>
>I mostly have the TV on for background noise if I'm in the same room
>with it. If I'm not, there's no point in having it on so I turn it off.

LOL, good thinking McBiddy!

[Bruce]

On Tue, 7 May 2019 07:40:08 -0700 (PDT), A Moose in Love
<parkstre...@gmail.com> wrote:

I can't believe there are still people who watch things when they
happen to be broadcast. That's very McBiddy.

[Ed Pawlowski]

Compromise. Two hours, daylight only.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Tuesday, May 7, 2019 at 6:36:13 AM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>
> I leave the TV on all day but I'm not watching it, it's on even when
> I'm not home, I could be out mowing grass all day and the TV is on.
> Mostly it's on for background noise. Some mornings I forget to turn
> it on and suddenly after a couple of hours I realize it's too quiet
> here
>

For 'background noise' I either have the radio on or am I' listening to a
cd. If I hear something on the tv that's interesting it just draws me to
it to sit down and watch. No watching the radio or cd.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Tuesday, May 7, 2019 at 9:40:16 AM UTC-5, A Moose in Love wrote:
>
> i record stuff i like to watch, then fast forward through commercials.
>

Me, too. Or pause the DVR and then buzz through the commercials.

[penm...@aol.com]

On Tue, 7 May 2019 12:39:17 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

>On 5/7/2019 11:52 AM, penm...@aol.com wrote:
>> On Tue, 07 May 2019 Gary wrote:
>>> penmart wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I leave the TV on all day but I'm not watching it, it's on even when
>>>> I'm not home, I could be out mowing grass all day and the TV is on.
>>>> Mostly it's on for background noise. Some mornings I forget to turn
>>>> it on and suddenly after a couple of hours I realize it's too quiet
>>>> here
>>>
>>> I do the same. Mine is always on, either for background noise or
>>> to watch whenever something good comes on.
>>
>> Even though probably not true I've convinced myself that the cats like
>> the company. Most times even when I'm inside during winter I'm not in
>> the room with the TV, I spend a lot of kitchen time cooking, I also do
>> housework, I dust, vacuum, clean windows, and I do most of the
>> laundry...
>
>In other words, you're a house husband. :)

I enjoy spending time at home, I've no more desire to travel, I don't
like shopping either.

>I mostly have the TV on for background noise if I'm in the same room
>with it. If I'm not, there's no point in having it on so I turn it off.
> Hearing it from another room is a distraction.

A distraction from what? If company arrives or the phone rings I hit
Mute

>I don't need constant sound. I open the windows and listen to the birds
>if I want to hear something.

We never open windows, too much pollen... within an hour everything in
the house would be covered with yellow pollen. we don't even hav
screens, I hate looking through screens, especially pollen coated
screens. We never open windows, we have a special filtration system
in the attic AprilAir with our A/C, it permits a percentage of
outside air to enter but it's filtered first and all the air in the
house is continuously filtered, in the same system all the air in the
house is continuously exposed to UV light, a form of sterilization,
and it works as we don't catch colds. All our water is exposed to UV
too, in fact yesterday Walter was here to replace the UV lamp and to
service the entire water system... we don't use nearly as much water
as a large family so he only needs to service ours every two years or
whenever the UV lamp burns out, then an alarm goes off and it's loud.
and it did so he was right over within the hour. The UV lamp is a
bit pricey, $90, but the entire service came to $210, that was for
four new filters, sanitizing, pressurizing the RO system, and of
course his time and labor... not a bad price considering he had to
drive here and was here over an hour. Walter is who clued us in to
never buy bottled water, he's been to bottled water operations to
service them and said they all use unfiltered well water from a
hosebib and an old garden hose. The purity of our water exceeds all
Federal/State standards by far. Walter Preisner, Hydroskill Water
Systems, Inc, knows his stuff, he's been in the water business over
fifty years. He sterilized all our domestic water pipes and fixtures
by dropping two small capsules into the UV lamp housing, said it's
something new, said the chlorine bleach odor will disipate in two days
and he was right. Previously he'd shock our well by pouring a cup of
Chlorox Bleach into the well. took 3-4 days to disipate.

Even municipal water is crap. cities do the bare minuimum to clean up
their act... only RO water is clean.

[Bruce]

When you leave your house, do you hold your breath until you're back
inside?

[jmcquown]

I would agree with that. I had to plenty of food and water and a way to
survive. Being without electricity was a mild inconvenience. I did not
miss having a television. I had books.

Jill

[Bruce]

On Tue, 7 May 2019 17:27:56 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

McBiddy's very proud of the fact that she can read.

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 5/7/2019 6:12 PM, Pamela wrote:

> On 16:52 7 May 2019, penm...@aol.com wrote:

>> I mostly read non-fiction, I read about gardening, animals, geology,
>> photography, fountain pens,
>

> You read about fountain pens? I can understand collecting them but
> reading about them seems a bit uninteresting.
>


If you collect them you want to know about them, just like any other
hobby. You'd be surprised what there is to know and interesting it can
be if you like pends and the history behind them.

Many people will find whatever you are interested in to be boring too.

[Leonard Blaisdell]

In article <22rAE.2702$GV5....@fx46.iad>, Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.xxx>
wrote:

Sheldon may have more than a passing interest in pens. He used to post
as penmart1 if I recall correctly. As in Pen Mart or Pen-Mart or some
such. I always assumed there was a connection.

leo

[Leonard Blaisdell]

[[ This message was both posted and mailed: see
the "To," "Cc," and "Newsgroups" headers for details. ]]

In article <070520191934599727%leobla...@sbcglobal.net>, Leonard

Blaisdell <leobla...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Sheldon may have more than a passing interest in pens. He used to post
> as penmart1 if I recall correctly. As in Pen Mart or Pen-Mart or some
> such. I always assumed there was a connection.

Whoops, he still does.

leo

[penm...@aol.com]

On Tue, 07 May 2019 23:12:56 +0100, Pamela <pamela...@gmail.com>

wrote:

>On 16:52 7 May 2019, penm...@aol.com wrote:
>

>You read about fountain pens? I can understand collecting them but
>reading about them seems a bit uninteresting.

Why bother collecting things one knows nothing about?
Collectible fountain pens are based on historical/commemorative
themes. Over time their technology has changed as have the materials
used. Many fountain pens are rare and considerably expensive. Some
are limited editions, numbered, with relatively few made.
https://vintagepens.com

[Dave Smith]

On 2019-05-08 8:41 a.m., Pamela wrote:

>> If you collect them you want to know about them, just like any other
>> hobby. You'd be surprised what there is to know and interesting it can
>> be if you like pends and the history behind them.
>>
>> Many people will find whatever you are interested in to be boring too.
>

> Fountain pens are fascinating and I really like my vintage Parker 51 but
> my pleasure is in having and using the pen rather than reading about it.
>
> Actually that pen been mothballed now because if it doesn't get regular use
> then the nib and mechanism dries out which is a problem as I like to use
> permanent ink which is harder to clean.

It is rare to see someone using a pen these days. I went through
elementary school before the acceptance of ball points. We had to learn
how to use stick pens, and after we mastered that we were allowed to use
fountain pens. By the time I got to university ball point pens were the
standard.

I treat myself to decent pens. I buy boxes of Bic pens to be kept in a
desk drawer for easy access, but I normally use a Parker pen. They are
probably cheaper on the long run. The ink lasts many times longer than
the ink in a Bic or other disposable and since they are a little more
expensive, you keep better track of them.

I am so used to having a pen in my shirt pocket and putting it back
there as soon as I have finished writing that I accidentally steal pens.
When someone gives me a pen to sign something it usually automatically
to my pocket.

[Gary]

Bruce wrote:
> McBiddy's very proud of the fact that she can read.

There ya go speculating again.
She only checks out children's books with pictures from the
public library.

I've heard she has turned her spare bedroom into a library
holding many many comic books.

I don't know though if that is true.

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Wednesday, May 8, 2019 at 9:21:06 AM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2019-05-08 8:41 a.m., Pamela wrote:
>
> >> If you collect them you want to know about them, just like any other
> >> hobby. You'd be surprised what there is to know and interesting it can
> >> be if you like pends and the history behind them.
> >>
> >> Many people will find whatever you are interested in to be boring too.
> >
> > Fountain pens are fascinating and I really like my vintage Parker 51 but
> > my pleasure is in having and using the pen rather than reading about it.
> >
> > Actually that pen been mothballed now because if it doesn't get regular use
> > then the nib and mechanism dries out which is a problem as I like to use
> > permanent ink which is harder to clean.
>
> It is rare to see someone using a pen these days. I went through
> elementary school before the acceptance of ball points. We had to learn
> how to use stick pens, and after we mastered that we were allowed to use
> fountain pens. By the time I got to university ball point pens were the
> standard.
>
> I treat myself to decent pens. I buy boxes of Bic pens to be kept in a
> desk drawer for easy access, but I normally use a Parker pen. They are
> probably cheaper on the long run. The ink lasts many times longer than
> the ink in a Bic or other disposable and since they are a little more
> expensive, you keep better track of them.
>

Meh. Pens are as disposable as paper plates. I pretty much
use them only for signing checks, which happens only a few
times a year. Otherwise, pencils are fine.

No, I don't throw a pen away after a single use, but it's
immaterial to me how long they last.

Cindy Hamilton

[Dave Smith]

On 2019-05-08 11:32 a.m., Pamela wrote:

> On 14:23 8 May 2019, Dave Smith <adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>> I am so used to having a pen in my shirt pocket and putting it back
>> there as soon as I have finished writing that I accidentally steal pens.
>> When someone gives me a pen to sign something it usually automatically
>> to my pocket.
>

> The range of disposable pens nowadays is crazy. Not always particularly
> cheap.


A box of 12 Bic pens is about $9. A Parker pen is about $12. I get a lot
more use out of one Parker pen than I do from the dozen disposables.

>

[graham]

On 2019-05-08 6:41 a.m., Pamela wrote:

> Fountain pens are fascinating and I really like my vintage Parker 51 but
> my pleasure is in having and using the pen rather than reading about it.
>
> Actually that pen been mothballed now because if it doesn't get regular use
> then the nib and mechanism dries out which is a problem as I like to use
> permanent ink which is harder to clean.
>

I still have the Parker that my mother bought for me when I passed the
11+ in 1954 - and it still works. I also have a bottle of Quink that is
at least 50 years old and hasn't evaporated significantly.

[graham]

On 2019-05-08 9:32 a.m., Pamela wrote:
> On 14:23 8 May 2019, Dave Smith <adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>

>> On 2019-05-08 8:41 a.m., Pamela wrote:
>>
>>>> If you collect them you want to know about them, just like any other
>>>> hobby. You'd be surprised what there is to know and interesting it
>>>> can be if you like pends and the history behind them.
>>>>
>>>> Many people will find whatever you are interested in to be boring too.
>>>
>>> Fountain pens are fascinating and I really like my vintage Parker 51
>>> but my pleasure is in having and using the pen rather than reading
>>> about it.
>>>
>>> Actually that pen been mothballed now because if it doesn't get regular
>>> use then the nib and mechanism dries out which is a problem as I like
>>> to use permanent ink which is harder to clean.
>>
>> It is rare to see someone using a pen these days. I went through
>> elementary school before the acceptance of ball points. We had to learn
>> how to use stick pens, and after we mastered that we were allowed to use
>> fountain pens. By the time I got to university ball point pens were the
>> standard.
>

> That about tracks my experience. My school provided free ink. Horrible
> wishy-washy purple-black which I suspect they mixed up from a powder. No
> one used it.
>
> And we never used the ink wells in the desks as that was tempting fate for
> an accident. Those were the days. I don't supose they make school desks
> with ink wells any more.
>
I was ink monitor for my class in elementary school.

[Bruce]

By the time I'll start thinking about things like this, I shall
officially not have a life.

[penm...@aol.com]

I learned to read at three years old by reading comic books; Archie,
Nancy, Little Lulu, Superman, etc. I also read cereal boxes and could
write well enough to fill out the forms for all the free gifts. a box
top from Kellogs shredded wheat got me a deed to 1 sq. in. of
Alaska before it bacame a state. I've no idea what happened to that
deed. Somewhere I have a Capt. Video decoder ring. I also had a
whole set of frogmen that would dive and come back to the surface and
dive again until the baking soda stuffed in their fins ran out. A
label from a jar of Cocoa Marsh got me a rocket launcher, was like
half a spalding with a tube inserted to mount the rocket, place on the
floor and punch the half ball and the rocket would take off, traveled
a good distance.
Nowadays schools no longer teach script/cursive, kids can barely
print, they only know keyboard. Most can't sign their name. As a
young child we had Pen Pals, I corresponded with kids all over the
world, in a way it was like Usenet only more honest, no one munged
their ID, there was no hacking, there were no credit cards... people
weren't ascared to use their real name and address. Besides fountain
pens I collect5ed hand made stationary and also inks. I have a
collection of sealing wax and wax seals too. It's been years since
I've penned a letter because no one writes back... now there's only
email, texting, and computer generated junk mail. Contrary to what
was said computers do not save paper, in fact today more than a 1,000
times as much paper is used... think of all the tons of packaging
Amazon generates. I haven't found a way to recycle all their
packaging, all I do is flatten, tape, and place in the recyclables
bin. I get mostly mail order Rx, each mailing arrives with between
20-40 sheets of printed matter for each drug in the package. At least
they print on one side only so I can use that paper for x-word puzzles
and scratch pad paper.

[U.S. Janet B.]

On Wed, 08 May 2019 15:00:47 -0400, penm...@aol.com wrote:

>On Wed, 08 May 2019 09:29:35 -0400, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:
>
>>Bruce wrote:
>>> McBiddy's very proud of the fact that she can read.
>>
>>There ya go speculating again.
>>She only checks out children's books with pictures from the
>>public library.
>>
>>I've heard she has turned her spare bedroom into a library
>>holding many many comic books.
>>
>>I don't know though if that is true.
>
>I learned to read at three years old by reading comic books; Archie,
>Nancy, Little Lulu, Superman, etc. I also read cereal boxes and could
>write well enough to fill out the forms for all the free gifts. a box
>top from Kellogs shredded wheat got me a deed to 1 sq. in. of
>Alaska before it bacame a state.

snip
between the two of us we own 2 square inches of Alaska. Maybe it is
on a gold mine!!!
Janet US

[Bruce]

On Thu, 09 May 2019 10:20:46 +0100, Pamela <pamela...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>You can afford to ignore the price of goods?

The price of pens will never keep me awake at night.

[Gary]

Add me

I watched a "Modern Marvels" doc the other night and they showed
how pencils were made. It was very interesting to watch. :-D

[Gary]

Pamela wrote:
>
> Bruce wrote:

> > Dave Smith wrote:
> >>A box of 12 Bic pens is about $9. A Parker pen is about $12. I get a lot
> >>more use out of one Parker pen than I do from the dozen disposables.
> >
> > By the time I'll start thinking about things like this, I shall
> > officially not have a life.
>

> You can afford to ignore the price of goods?

The price of disposable ink pens is not going to break the bank,
so to speak. I've been using disposible pens forever. My current
favorite is:

Company: Zebra
Pen: Z-Grip, medium point, black ink ballpoint.
Package of 7 pens was inexpensive from Walmart.
Bought months ago so I forget the price but not much.

Made in China but packaged in Mexico. That sounds odd
to me. Why didn't the Chinese just make it all?
World economy for sure now.

www.zebrapen.com
or
www.facebook.com/ZebraPenUS

[Dave Smith]

On 2019-05-09 6:29 a.m., Gary wrote:
> Pamela wrote:
>>
>> Bruce wrote:
>
>>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> A box of 12 Bic pens is about $9. A Parker pen is about $12. I get a lot
>>>> more use out of one Parker pen than I do from the dozen disposables.
>>>
>>> By the time I'll start thinking about things like this, I shall
>>> officially not have a life.
>>
>> You can afford to ignore the price of goods?
>
> The price of disposable ink pens is not going to break the bank,
> so to speak. I've been using disposible pens forever. My current
> favorite is:

Of course it's not going to break the bank. The thing is that a lot of
people and businesses buy disposable ball points because they are cheap.
They buy them by the dozen and leave them hanging around and there is
always one nearby. As soon as they have any issues with them they throw
them out and get a new one. Parkers are by now means top of the line
pens, but I find them comfortable and they write nicely. Given the
amount of ink in a cartridge and the reliability, they are a bargain
compared to Bics.

[Bruce]

Oh sorry, I fell asleep. Have you finished?

[Bruce]

On Thu, 09 May 2019 12:26:45 +0100, Pamela <pamela...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>The same could also be said of many foods. Yet cumulatively the cost becomes
>significant.
>
>The BIC company is multibillion dollar multinational and yet it's core
>product is a disposable ball point. It's not to be sniffed at because you
>feel it's beneath you.
>
>Maybe you are ahppy with something cheap and nasty pens. Those who want
>better but don't want to waste money will match the price paid for the
>quality obtained. It seems perfectly reasonable.

I only make little work related notes to myself using a pen. Five
cheap and nasty freebie pens that one picks up here or there will last
me the rest of my life. I can't think of any reason to spend time
thinking about pens.

[Bruce]

On Thu, 09 May 2019 12:36:43 +0100, Pamela <pamela...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>And yet here you are spending time offering your endless comments on how
>you don't spend time thinking about this. Strange that.

Hey, I also spend time talking to you.

[Bruce]

On Thu, 09 May 2019 12:35:20 +0100, Pamela <pamela...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>It beats listening to your comments about Trump. Trump doesn't affect you
>half the world away but you seem compelled to regularly post something
>boring about him.
>
>Same goes for those boring lists of ingredients you occupy yourself with.

I also comment on the Brexit. Well, actually, that affects me a little
bit. I want a strong euro. Those neurotic mind changing Brits may make
its value go down with their antics.

My ingredient lists are a community service. Sometimes one does
something for the greater good. You may do something like that too one
day.

[graham]

On 2019-05-09 5:35 a.m., Pamela wrote:
> On 12:27 9 May 2019, Bruce <br...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>

> It beats listening to your comments about Trump. Trump doesn't affect you
> half the world away

How naive you are!

[Gary]

penm...@aol.com wrote:
>
> I learned to read at three years old by reading comic books; Archie,
> Nancy, Little Lulu, Superman, etc. I also read cereal boxes

I did the same Sheldon in the late 50' and early 60's. I've still
got all my old comic books packed in 6 boxes that fit them
perfectly. Almost 100 to a box.

I have a few 10 cent comics but traded to get them, not my time
frame. All of mine are 12 cent comic books. Plus I have a half
dozen "underground" comics from the early 70's.

I also read cereal boxes completly at breakfast.

I still have them all but they are worth nothing other than
reading enjoyment. Not in pristene shape that collector's are
looking for these days.

[Ed Pawlowski]

At home, I have a custom made pen that uses a Parker refill. For years
I used Parker for the same reasons as you

I also carry a Cross Ion with me all the time. I don't always have a
shirt pocket so this is easy to carry in my pants pocket. I find it
very handy.

https://tinyurl.com/y4nvtcug

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Thursday, May 9, 2019 at 5:29:22 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
>
> I watched a "Modern Marvels" doc the other night and they showed
> how pencils were made. It was very interesting to watch. :-D
>

Was that "Modern Marvels" or the program "How It's Made"?

[dsi1]

When I was a kid, I used to use a fountain pen with a lever to refill the ink. I have no explanation on why I would do such a thing. After all, I'm a boomer.

[Cindy Hamilton]

A very late boomer. However, even we used ballpoint pens in
grade school. This one:

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bic_Cristal>

Now I prefer this:

<https://express.google.com/u/0/product/5548811675986196764_1190157781095479753_7758975>

Cindy Hamilton

[Bruce]

On Thu, 09 May 2019 16:07:40 +0100, Pamela <pamela...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On 12:41 9 May 2019, Bruce <br...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> I also comment on the Brexit. Well, actually, that affects me a little
>> bit. I want a strong euro. Those neurotic mind changing Brits may make
>> its value go down with their antics.
>>
>> My ingredient lists are a community service. Sometimes one does
>> something for the greater good. You may do something like that too one
>> day.
>

>Providing information about the price of stationery is another community
>service.
>
>Your spam posts about the ingredients of, er, Spam, are not.

Ingredients are very on topic in RFC. Furthermore, you talk as if I
post 10 ingredient posts a day. The opposite is closer to the truth: 1
ingredient post every 10 days.

[Bruce]

From 1946 to 1964.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baby_boomers>

[Nancy2]

dsi1, when I was in high school, I was enamored by Esterbrook fountain pens...with a lever
to refill with ink. I think it was the marbleized exteriors that sucked me in. My favorite
was the green...man, I loved the elegance of those pens, along with the perceived
sophistication they represented. This was mainly in1957-58, when I was an upper-
classman. Fond memories.

N.

[penm...@aol.com]

In my mid teens I prefered to read bra tags; brands, sizes,
laundering.
I learned to write cursive with fountain pens, actually dip pens
first. I began collecting pens from scavaging those tossed into the
trash and repairing them... most were very inexpensive then but over
time became valuable.
I think Bic is the crapiest ball point pen on the market, Uni-Ball is
my favorite.

[dsi1]

That might have been my feelings about it too. I don't remember! OTOH, I still love handcrafted pens and celluloid pen from the 30's. They are simple and elegant and beautiful. What more could one ask for? When I had my business, I'd pass out pens with my name on it. People loved those pens because I picked them out for easy, smooth, writing.

[JBurns]

On Thu, 09 May 2019 09:11:30 -0400, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:

30 odd years ago (and maybe 4 houses ago) I found an early 70s hard
core porn mag in one of our cupboards. Stories and pictures. There was
no or little shaving, waxing or trimming in those days.

Anyway, every time we have moved I have found that mag while
unpacking, found it four days in on this move. My husband or I have
picked it up and put it somewhere so I guess it is lost again until
next move!

It always gives us a laugh, especially the lack of grooming.

JB

[Gary]

Good call, Joan, and you are correct. I've been watching some of
each lately. Modern Marvels concentrates on one subject for an
hour. The 'How It's Made' shows feature 5-10 minute segments.
That's where the pencil thing was.

[jmcquown]

On 5/8/2019 9:29 AM, Gary wrote:
> Bruce wrote:
>> McBiddy's very proud of the fact that she can read.
>
> There ya go speculating again.
> She only checks out children's books with pictures from the
> public library.
>

When did you turn into such an asshole?

Jill

[Bruce]

On Fri, 10 May 2019 19:44:32 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

Something about reaping and sowing perhaps?

[jmcquown]

On 5/8/2019 9:23 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> I am so used to having  a pen in my shirt pocket and putting it back
> there as soon as I have finished writing that I accidentally steal pens.
> When someone gives me a pen to sign something it usually automatically
> to my pocket.

A customer at work needed a pen to sign something. I handed him a pen.
He called his wife to tell her she needed to sign, too. While he was on
the phone with her he stuck the pen in his pocket.

It just so happened we were down to two pens at the front desk and there
weren't any more in storage cabinet. No spare pens anywhere.

So, to this customer I had no problem saying, "I really do need that pen
back, I only have one left." Oh! He didn't realize he's stuck it in
his pocket. I told him there seems to be a pen shortage in the office.
"If you take that pen out of the office I'll have to chase you down."
He laughed. He gave me back the pen. Then he went out to his truck and
brought back a handful of different pens. :) Like you, Dave, he said he
accidentally steals pens. LOL

His wife met him there and signed the documents and they went on their
merry way. He left about 8 pens. Thanks!

Jill

[Gary]

I Am the Walrus